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Speaker 1: eleven productions. iHeart Radio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast. One on
Speaker 1: one interview live at Warner Brothers. UH pre interviews with
Speaker 1: Michael Winters, who played the illustrious Taylor Dozie. Michael, it
Speaker 1: is so good to see a so much for flying
Speaker 1: in for this a big event at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2: Out of town.
Speaker 1: And that's good.
Speaker 2: Terrible up there.
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: You're looking well.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I feel good.
Speaker 1: Tell us about getting the role I was.
Speaker 2: I had been in town for a few years and
Speaker 2: I had sporadic auditions and then I got the audition
Speaker 2: for this, and I had a script and hadn't been
Speaker 2: on yet. I had no idea what it was like.
Speaker 2: And I read it and I thought, I don't know
Speaker 2: whether this is a comedy or if it's a serious thing.
Speaker 2: I did not know how to deal with it. And
Speaker 2: the guy who was running the interview was a Rodman Flanders,
Speaker 2: who directed the episode then eventually, and he talked about
Speaker 2: it in terms of screwball comedies from the thirties that
Speaker 2: I knew very well, so that gave me the great
Speaker 2: clue did the audition. I think I came back one
Speaker 2: more time and then boom, I was doing it. And
Speaker 2: it was originally only supposed to be four episodes, and
Speaker 2: I said, that's great, because I'm going back to Seattle
Speaker 2: and do a play, and they said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: if there's any more, we'll call you back. In the end,
Speaker 2: it ended up being seven years, plus the four extra
Speaker 2: movies for Netflix and everything. So it was tiny little
Speaker 2: seed that grew into a big thing for me. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's do you remember your first visit to Stars Hollow?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, the first time I'd
Speaker 2: been on this lot or you know it is where
Speaker 2: great movies where you go around and the sound stages
Speaker 2: have plaques on them with movies and TVs that were
Speaker 2: filmed in those places, you know, great old movies that
Speaker 2: I that I'm a great fan of. And then I
Speaker 2: think we talked about this once before that. I the
Speaker 2: first scene I did was a sort of Halloween one,
Speaker 2: an autumn one, and I was trying to decorate the
Speaker 2: town with everything, and you didn't want any decorations on
Speaker 2: your place, and I got caught by you sneaking pumpkins
Speaker 2: onto the front steps. I remember that so vividly. And
Speaker 2: then when I watched the episode again before we talked
Speaker 2: on your on your show, that wasn't there. That never
Speaker 2: made it into the Yeah, but that was the whole
Speaker 2: first thing, was the beginning of our relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you start getting recognized as Taylor Dosie
Speaker 1: out there in the in Pulbium.
Speaker 2: It was a while because like the first year, I
Speaker 2: think I was only in three episodes the first year.
Speaker 2: Then it sort of grew and it was a couple
Speaker 2: of years before people recognized me on the street. I'm
Speaker 2: still sort of amazed, because you know, it was a
Speaker 2: fairly small part, but a very very memorable part of
Speaker 2: good Time. But now it happens every once in a while.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to Ted about it on the
Speaker 2: way over today, that it happens just enough to be
Speaker 2: nice and not to be noxious, not to take life.
Speaker 2: But it was a while before before people would recognize
Speaker 2: me because I didn't do much early on, and then
Speaker 2: you know, it got to be more and then you know,
Speaker 2: it was just constant there for a while.
Speaker 1: Do you remember being directed by Amy, Oh, yeah, tell
Speaker 1: us about that experience.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was she knew it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, she'd written that, so she knew. But but
Speaker 2: and she was the one who she talked about the
Speaker 2: rom coms to the old, the old screwball comedies with
Speaker 2: a lot of risk. So I learned a whole new
Speaker 2: style of sort of working. And I got it right
Speaker 2: from her because you know, she knew it and she
Speaker 2: she lived it right, So yeah, she was great.
Speaker 1: How about Dan? Do you remember working with Dan? He
Speaker 1: directed a few.
Speaker 2: Episodes and I did, and he was much quieter. You know,
Speaker 2: he was a very you know, quiet internal sort of guy.
Speaker 2: But he knew what he was doing too. It was
Speaker 2: just a whole different sort of energy, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're writing is different to episode per episode. Ye,
Speaker 1: hers is more like this. His is more like this,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He tends to keep it very light, the really
Speaker 1: stressing the comedy all the way through, and then there's
Speaker 1: always this big moment at the end.
Speaker 2: I don't remember we're exactly the episodes I worked with him,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't It wasn't many three or four, right,
Speaker 2: maybe over the whole time.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about working with Lauren Graham.
Speaker 2: It was great. We found out within the first hour
Speaker 2: that I was here that we had the same birthday.
Speaker 1: Oh is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we sort of launched into that. And she
Speaker 2: would always say to me, you know, she had this
Speaker 2: great job, and she said, oh, I wish I could
Speaker 2: do what you do. I'd love to go do a play.
Speaker 2: And we used to talk about the theater, you know
Speaker 2: when we talked, but she was usually so busy. We
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: She had a killer schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah she did, she did. And then after that Gilmore
Speaker 2: Girls was over. Before she went over to the other thing,
Speaker 2: the Family thing, she did a show in New York, right,
Speaker 2: she got to do a play. You know.
Speaker 1: I always found Gilmore to be very theatrical. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the means we shot in the diner.
Speaker 1: We're really like these little plays. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: really were. And a lot of it was staged that way,
Speaker 1: a block that way, so I kind of felt like
Speaker 1: I was doing theater anything.
Speaker 2: I felt very much at home. Yeah, I have to say,
Speaker 2: that's what I usually did. And I remember at one point,
Speaker 2: do you remember Dak and Matthews who showed the yeah.
Speaker 2: He's an old friend of mine and we've done a
Speaker 2: lot of work together. And we both heard from people
Speaker 2: who worked on Gilmo Girls said we like you guys
Speaker 2: because you can handle a whole lot of dialogue, you know,
Speaker 2: because we were used to that, right, And so when
Speaker 2: we do the town meetings, you know, and Liz and
Speaker 2: I would sit up there all day long while they
Speaker 2: shot the other thing. Then we'd each have one and
Speaker 2: I have these long, complicated speeches, and I thought, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is so it's it was hard, and you know,
Speaker 2: for that kind of situation, you have to have it.
Speaker 2: You have to have the lines before you go. You
Speaker 2: don't rehearse anything. Oh no, no, it's just you got
Speaker 2: to be ready to go. It took me a while
Speaker 2: to get used to that is. It was very different
Speaker 2: from what i'd done.
Speaker 1: Ye. George Bell was yeah, oh yeah, very very good
Speaker 1: about fantastics. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing I ever worked on in which
Speaker 2: when the shot was over, they would check with the director,
Speaker 2: They checked with the DP, they checked with the sound guy,
Speaker 2: and then they checked with George to see how we
Speaker 2: had done by the dialogue. So if it wasn't exactly
Speaker 2: word perfect, right, they'd go back and we'd have to
Speaker 2: do it again.
Speaker 1: But I remember all those town hall meetings where you
Speaker 1: would just nail everything.
Speaker 2: It did not feel that way.
Speaker 1: You were ninety five percent nailing everything every take.
Speaker 2: And they were very complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were.
Speaker 2: It was sort of the fun of the writers, I guess.
Speaker 2: But I remember that those days were endless for us
Speaker 2: because we sat up there, well all the shooting out
Speaker 2: in the audience, and then there'd be a big one,
Speaker 2: then there'd be a close up and everything.
Speaker 1: So it took all day, all day in that night.
Speaker 2: Room that was boiling hotep and and then at the
Speaker 2: end everybody went home and she and I stayed and
Speaker 2: did the parts, you know where they were looking at us.
Speaker 2: We were always done at eleven or eleventh at night.
Speaker 2: So it's harder to remember. The one thing I remember
Speaker 2: too about the we did an episode that had the
Speaker 2: Livings paintings right right, and I did all the introductions
Speaker 2: to the paintings, which I did at the end exactly
Speaker 2: the same thing, full of Italian names and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And the night was over essentially, you know, and if
Speaker 2: everybody left and I got up there to do like
Speaker 2: four or five of these things in a row and
Speaker 2: the direction and I don't I don't want to push you,
Speaker 2: but the sun's going to come up in about five minutes.
Speaker 2: We got to get these done before it was done,
Speaker 2: so I had to rattle those off. Oh my, that
Speaker 2: was pretty freaky.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of those days in New York City when
Speaker 1: I'd stumble out to save the Robot at seven am.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean. Yeah, he'd stumble out
Speaker 1: of Warner Brothers at seven am, you know, yeah, on
Speaker 1: a Saturday morning and then have to be back Monday. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: those were sometimes. Yeah, those town hall meetings. Wow.
Speaker 2: But it was also fun because, uh, Liz and I
Speaker 2: liked old music. Uh and uh, so we'd we'd spend
Speaker 2: the time. She'd sing the first line of a song
Speaker 2: and I would do it from there.
Speaker 1: That went on along. We'd spent that she she wasn't
Speaker 1: she great on set?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Having Liz and and Sally on at the same time. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's like the history of musical theater. It's exactly right.
Speaker 2: And and Liz had known and worked with everybody.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, just amazing the stories, the exactly the
Speaker 1: funny the body story and.
Speaker 2: You know that on the back wall of that of
Speaker 2: that of her studio were all old photographs of her,
Speaker 2: right from far back in her career. And she was
Speaker 2: a young guyes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, she really, you know, she knew everybody, James Dean,
Speaker 1: I mean, she had all the stories.
Speaker 2: It's Tony Bennett, she talked about a lot. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she was probably the most cornered actress on
Speaker 1: set because we wanted the stories. Can you just talk?
Speaker 2: Well? And I had all that time with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. What a treat, What a treat.
Speaker 1: So you keep in touch with Sally right, uh?
Speaker 2: Not anymore? Did for a while, okay, and Liz too.
Speaker 2: Uh And then of course it was great when we
Speaker 2: did the reboot or Netflix and we uh we were
Speaker 2: all back together again. That's what a lot of that
Speaker 2: time was was.
Speaker 1: You know, Sally was supposed to do this today, but
Speaker 1: she's she's she's always in Kansas City doing a play.
Speaker 1: She works all the time. Yeah, on stage though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's always doing something.
Speaker 2: Well, we did. I remember one thing Liz and I
Speaker 2: did was she played she did a one woman No,
Speaker 2: it was two or three people actually about Patsy Klein
Speaker 2: in Hollywood and and I went one day and head
Speaker 2: lunch and then went to watch her.
Speaker 1: Do Oh that's nice to think it was great, that's
Speaker 1: very nice. What are you working on now anything.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't work much anymore. I mean, I'm sort
Speaker 2: of retired because after a while I started to lose
Speaker 2: my balance. You know, my balance wasn't good and so
Speaker 2: I had trouble with that, and and then there was
Speaker 2: the the pandemic. All the theaters just shut down, and
Speaker 2: so so by the time that was over, I was
Speaker 2: like essentially retired sort of. I've done I've done things
Speaker 2: up there, but you know, like one show a year.
Speaker 1: Well, I know this global fan base would like you
Speaker 1: to make a big comeback as Taylor Dozie. Would you, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe venture to do another iteration of Gilmore.
Speaker 2: Girls in New York? Oh that's good, it would be fun. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: what's the greatest job in the world. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: lived about ten minutes from here. Oh yeah the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: me too, So I had no problem getting here, had
Speaker 2: a great time and had fun stuff to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to get on Maul Holland and just get
Speaker 1: here in six minutes.
Speaker 2: Just so yeah, and just was around the corner sort of.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been a great pleasure catching up with you, Michael.
Speaker 1: Great to see you, and we'll see you out there
Speaker 1: in about an hour's time, I guess, and we're going
Speaker 1: to put on a show for all these fans that
Speaker 1: are showing up at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael, Thank you
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