1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Maine and Greater New England. We're coming to see 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: you guys in Portland and we can't wait. We would 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: love to see you there. Yep, we'll be at the 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: State Theater on August. If you're interested, you can get 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: tickets and information at s y s K live dot com. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Throws some lobster at us. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryan, there's Jerry over there, and uh whow, 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: he's Alie Payton's best record. I think, um no, no, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: hold on no, it's not why he's Ali it's um 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: it's not Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain, crooked rink between them 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: with Summer Babe. Oh no, that was the first one 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: that's slanted and enchanted. Okay, that was their first album. 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: What a classic, man. I think that's their best one, 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: is it not? Well? Cricket Rain gets sighted a lot 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: of times is sort of the peak pavement. Uh. Slanted 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: is for fans of like the early sloppy days lo fi, 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: which we both love. I like, Wow, He's out because 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: it was so strange and Weird. I haven't heard that 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: one very much. It's great. Okay, they're all They're all great. 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: I like him, even right down to the last one, 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: the Weird Um Polka experimental album that they came out 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: they're playing. Uh, they announced they're playing another couple of 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: reunion shows at a festival in Portugal, and I, you know, 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: we're in touch with Mr Bob Nistanovich and I texted him, 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: It's like, do I have to go to Portugal? Is 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: anything bruin here in the States. It's like, because I'll go. 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: What do you say? He said, Uh, nothing is of yet. 30 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: He's like, so go with God. Are you going to 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: go to ports your goal? Maybe if that's the only 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: chance to see Paven again, because I want to go 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: to Portugal anyway. You have frequent fire miles to use 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: an do it? You totally should and drink some port 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: while you're there too. Yeah. You know, my friends opening 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: up a wine shop in Kirkwood that is very not 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: exclusively Portuguese, but that's where she's from. It's going to 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: be featuring a lot of Portuguese wines. That works really 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: well with this episode, Chuck, as we'll see later on. 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: But just put a pin in Portuguese wine, okay, and 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: for later. All right, So you started off by saying 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: the words wowie's awe because we're talking about peyote, which 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: is an allucinogen. That's right, but um, it's a it's 44 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, one of the oldest to hallucinogens. 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: People were eating mushrooms all over Europe, north central western 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Europe for a very long time, sometimes accidentally, which is hysterical. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: But people have been eating peyote for a really really 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: long time too, as we'll see, thousands and thousands of years, 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: and as a results, got a pretty interesting little history 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: to it, both ancient and modern. And really all it 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: comes down to is it's a bineless cactus that has 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: a very bitter taste that's not nice, never stands up 53 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: for itself. Um, but it is a spineless cactus, which 54 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: means well, if it's a spinless cactus, that means that 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: desert animals probably love to eat it. They don't because 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: it has a really bitter taste. And that bitter taste 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: is an alkaloid called mescaline, right, And that it's a sign. 58 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: It's nature signs saying don't eat me, right, but just 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: so happens that if we humans eat that particular alkaloid, 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: we say things like wow, he's alwi. That's right, right, 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: so uh, yeah, let's go. It is native to Mexico 62 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: in the southern US. It is technically the scientific name 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: is loafa Fhora william Ce. Now we decided that two 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: eyes means you pronounced both right, uh. And it grows 65 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: in northern Mexico and South Texas right along the border. 66 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: There knows no borders, that's true. And it loves the 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: rocky limestone. And in historical documents it's had a range 68 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: all the way up to New Mexico perhaps, and we've 69 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: either changed that with human interaction or that was just wrong. 70 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: But it definitely grows along the border. Yeah, and it 71 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: looks like a little uh did growing up? Did you 72 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: ever see those little tomato pincushions. Yeah, oh yeah, it 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: looks sort of like that, but it's not red, yeah, 74 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: I guess. And it doesn't have pin sticking out of it. Now, 75 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: although you could stick a pin in it, sure you 76 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: could put a bird on it, it would be very 77 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: disrespectful to the spirit within the payote though, that's right. 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: It probably wouldn't like that very much. That's true, like 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: a little Payote voodoo doll. Sure. Um. So, like we said, 80 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: the mescaline is is to tell animals stay away, don't 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: eat me. Um. They also think it's possible that has 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: something to do with communications between plants. It may do 83 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: a number of different things actually, But one of the 84 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: things about payote is it has this reputation, a very 85 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: mystical reputation, not just because it's a psychedelic and a leucinogen, 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: but because it is really really hard to find until 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: it's not. It's got this reputation where you'll be looking 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: all over for payote. It grows in the rocky soil, 89 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: and typically it will grow under like a creosop bush 90 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: or a mesquite tree or something like that nurse plant. Right, Um, 91 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: but you can you could have looked all over underneath 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: the creosoat tree or whatever, and you walk away and 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: then you're like, I'll just go back and look again, 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and there it is, just staring you right in the face. 95 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Trip over a rock and you land on it. Right 96 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: there's the payot. So it's got this kind of neat 97 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: little uhum reputation for for hiding, playing hide and go 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: seek with you, and then it's like, okay, all right, 99 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: go ahead and eat me and trip trip. I was 100 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: gonna say something else. Uh, like I said, it is 101 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: not red. Um, they can be brighter green, but uh, 102 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: they can also look sort of bluish. Yeah, which is interesting. 103 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: That nice like steel blue green. It's a pretty color. 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: It is um and they grow and usually in clusters 105 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: with multiple plants, but sometimes you can find them individually 106 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: and they I think they're very pretty, that little pink, 107 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: white and yellow flowers. Um. They grow very low to 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: the ground and they're just uh, it looks like you know, stubby, Yeah, 109 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: a little stubby tomato with um. Yeah. But it's not 110 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: it's not completely round. It has like sections. It's oh yeah, 111 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: it's almost a little bit too. Yeah. So um yeah, 112 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: I see what you mean. You know what I mean. 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: We're on beauty right now. Everyone. That's not true. Oh um. 114 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: So this plant in particular has a weird history of 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: getting confused with other plants because some of the other 116 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: plants that go around it are also um consumed by 117 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: some of the indigenous tribes in the area and have been. 118 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: But there's like a type of peyote plant that won't 119 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: it's not psychedelic. It just makes you kind of sleep. 120 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: There's something um called the plant that has miss colbeans 121 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: um that are intoxicons of their own type, but they 122 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: can also kind of kill you. Uh. There was a 123 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: while there where payote Um was called both uh Lapaphoria 124 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Lapaphora william z and and Hellonium louini. Right, both have 125 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: two eyes on the end. And then somebody's like, now 126 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: that's the same plant. So there's a lot of confusing 127 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: horticultural history associated with I wonder why with payote it 128 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: was playing tricks, is what it was. So there is 129 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: a you know, people have used it not only for 130 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: um religious purposes, although that's a large part of it, 131 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: which we'll get to in depth. But it does have 132 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: some anti microbial properties. I've seen that for in really 133 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: low doses that um. Certain tribes have used it for indigestion, 134 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: to treat wounds, to give them energy to work on 135 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: a computer for days on end your hangovers. Uh, And 136 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: like anything psychedelic you could um technically you can use 137 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: it to help treat mental illness, but they don't study 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: that stuff in the United States. So again it's always 139 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: very hard to think about any sort of ecstasy or 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: magic mushrooms or anything without studying like clinical studies. Well, 141 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: they and they did study for a while. UM mescaline, 142 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: once they isolated it from peyote was used like LSD 143 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: was in the fifties until LSD came along. And they 144 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: used it because they thought that maybe you could glean 145 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: information about the root cause of schizophrenia by giving mescal 146 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: into people with schizophrenia. But they found out it was 147 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: too unreliable. People's experiences were too different UM and there 148 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: was no kind of UM structure that that the individual followed. 149 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: And plus they found out people with schizophrenia could tell 150 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: the difference between their delusions and delusions brought on by 151 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: mescal iguage. Is pretty interesting. Yeah, and when was that 152 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: in the fifties. I guess pre fifties because LSD came 153 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: along in So when you harvest peyote, UM, you cut 154 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: off that stem really close to the ground and they're 155 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: known as buttons. They look like I guess I've described 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: as pincushions, but they look like a little buttons. It 157 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, and Ed here Ed wrote this article 158 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: the grab st He said a typical trip is four 159 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: to six buttons and I thought that seemed like a 160 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: lot of peyote, because I had seen photos of some 161 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: buttons that were like as large as the palm of 162 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: your hand. And I'm trying to imagine eating eight things 163 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: that big, pier eight tomatoes that large. It's a lot 164 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: of tomatoes. But then I looked at other pictures and 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I guess those were like just super big peyote buttons, 166 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: and most of them were a couple of inches and 167 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: circumference here that big. I thought they were more like 168 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: the size of a quarter or something like that. I 169 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: think between a quarter and like a silver dollar maybe, 170 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: or a shilling for our friends in the UK? Is 171 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: that a Is that a quid? How does that all work? 172 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: A shilling? Oh man, we're gonna get emails about it. 173 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: That's okay. A shilling is like twenty pence. I think 174 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: you're going on record. But four to six buttons, Um that, 175 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: like you said, it's really better. So a lot of 176 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: times people won't want to eat it. Um. There are 177 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: all different kinds of ways you can make the tea 178 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: with it, and we're not giving you a how to write, 179 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: but um, it's as simple as that. This is how 180 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: people take peyote. Sometimes they'll grind into a powder and 181 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: snorted or into a pill. I saw that you can 182 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: smoke it too, when it's dried and powdered. I've never 183 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: heard of that before, but I ran across it. But 184 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If if you're down south of the 185 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: border and you're out hunting for peyote, uh, and if 186 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: this is something you want to do, more power to you, 187 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: but be respectful of the plant. Don't go digging it 188 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: out with a shovel by the roots because you're gonna 189 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: kill the plant. Yeah, that's extremely disrespectful to a peyote plant, 190 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: especially in the edition of like um groups indigenous tribes 191 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: that take payote for ritual purposes. You do not kill 192 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: the plant. You don't cut off the peyote button so 193 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: um low that the roots can't regenerate, and you don't 194 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: dig the plant out. Yet despite that, people do it 195 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: all the time. And then that combined with feral pigs 196 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: who like to eat it and trip, they really trip. 197 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, they definitely like to eat peyote, so 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: probably um those two combined have really kind of put 199 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: a hurt and on payote um and it's range so 200 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: people who are like conscious of this stuff say, well, 201 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: you can also get mescaline out of what's called the 202 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: San Pedro cactus, which grows up in the Andes and 203 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: that's not threatened, are vulnerable, and then get it there. Yeah, 204 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: just go go un improve, don't stop in Mexico, keep 205 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: going south. Should we take a break. Let's take a break. 206 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Charge all right, let's take a break, and we're gonna 207 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that mescaline right after this. 208 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Should know okay, stuff, you should know mescaline that is 209 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: the primary psychedelic chemical, and that was synthesized What did 210 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: you say nineteen eighteen or nineteen nineteen nineteen by Ernest 211 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Spa Ernest Ernest Smith. That's how you'd say the A 212 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: with the new lat Yeah, so you go Ernt Smith, 213 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: an Austrian chemist. Sorry, Ernest, I do like your name. 214 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: Who I did a little researchers not. This is kind 215 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: of the thing he did that's big enough. Don't you 216 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: think the guy isolated mescaline for Pete's sake? Oh no, no no, no, 217 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: I'm not knocking it. I was just uh, I thought 218 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: it was gonna be like and you know what else 219 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: he did? And this is kind of what he did. 220 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: He's known for that, right, like Joseph Priestley, who was like, 221 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I discovered nitrous oxide and I also discovered ten other 222 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: things and start on Beverly Hills nine two And have 223 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: you ever seen my shirt? It's the Judas Priest logo, 224 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: but it says Jason Priestly. It's pretty great. Is his 225 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: face anywhere in it? Or is it just it just 226 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: looks like the Judas Priest logo, but it says Jason Priestley. Nice, 227 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: I gotta see that. I like some of those shirts. 228 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: That's it's one of the good ones. The one I 229 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: used to hate was the when Farfik new Again was 230 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: the big thing and the hippies would wear the effin gruven. 231 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I hated those all right. So um sith sith isolated mescally. 232 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: In the following year, the pharmaceutical company Mark is like, oh, 233 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: we'll just turn this through. No pharmaceutical started to get 234 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: studied and released, and UM things were going along fairly 235 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: swimming lee for it. Um it's a fennel ethel amine, 236 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: which makes it different. Actually, um LSD and psilocybin, which 237 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: our trip to fans. They're in the indole family um 238 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: Fennell ethel mean is the family that mescalin is in 239 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: and m d M A is in. And it's no 240 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: coincidence that m d M A and mescalin are in 241 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: the same family because the chemist who created m D 242 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: m A, Alexander Shulgin, he was inspired to create something 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: like mescalin from a mescaline trip. He went on, Uh, 244 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: imagine being like, oh I really like that psychedelic I 245 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: just took let me tinker around and make my own 246 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: version of it, and he created m D M A 247 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: as a result. It's kind of an homage to mescalin. 248 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,239 Speaker 1: He created m D M A and two C b U. Yeah. Well, um, 249 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: what what mescalin does? It binds to the serotonin receptors 250 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: in your brain, and just like UM LSD or magic 251 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: mushrooms and stuff, it's going to cause a sense of 252 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: loss of the cell for ego and ayahuasca. We did 253 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: one on that too, righte. And the interesting thing is 254 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: is ed describes a tolerance with other psychedelics. So in 255 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: other words, if you take a bunch of mescaline, uh, 256 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: it will build up a tolerance for LSD. Let's say, 257 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: which is I guess it hits those same receptors. Yeah, 258 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: I guess, so, which is I guess a problem if 259 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: you take a ton of LSD. But but I have 260 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: a friend from college. I won't name him. But one 261 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: of the funniest quotes h he has about the old 262 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: days is I've definitely forgotten I've taken acid and taken 263 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: more acid. That's a T shirt right there too. That's deep. 264 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: That's the eighties dead T shirt. It is um f 265 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: and grooven. Remember that, Yeah, I remember? No? Okay, no, no, 266 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: no mindset funking Grooven. So um. When peyote binds to 267 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: those serotonin receptors, some of the cells that it binds 268 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: too are responsible for something called nausea, and one of 269 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: the hallmarks of a peyote trip is you um very 270 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: typically feel nauseous and vomit for a couple of hours 271 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: sometimes leading up to the trip, and it's really slow 272 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: to cross the blood brain barrier, so it takes hours 273 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: to to come on. Yeah, but it also has a 274 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: real slow burn, a long burn to it, So compared 275 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to other trips, it's actually a very long lasting trip, 276 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: sometimes twelve hours as opposed to say six eight hours 277 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: for LSD or mushrooms or something. Twelve hours is the 278 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: trip you're going to be on on Payote. It's also 279 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: like really well known for being extremely visual and having 280 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: some interesting like body feelings to it too. Yeah, Like 281 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: you can feel nauseous, you can feel euphoric. You can 282 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: feel euphoric and nauseous, but you're gonna feel it in 283 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: your body as well as have a lot of like 284 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: really trippy visuals. I think didn't they take peyote in 285 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Doors movie? Yeah? And that's a really good he vomited 286 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: I think? Right for megrind did That's where the whole 287 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: lizard king thing came from? Because I think they took 288 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: peyote in the desert. But it's also related to peyote 289 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: in a different way too, isn't it the Doors? Right? 290 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: Because Aldus Huxley wrote Doors of Perception. He was a 291 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: big mescaling guy. Whitn't he that that book was about 292 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: his first mescaling trip, right, And that's where the Doors 293 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: got their name. And then Jim Morrison went on to 294 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: write a bunch of bad poetry. Oh man, I thought 295 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: American Prayer was one of the coolest albums of all time. 296 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: I bought his poetry book. I was, you know, I 297 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: was way into the doors for like everyone for a 298 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: brief time in college, and I bought the book and 299 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: ever the poetry books and everything, and did you ever 300 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: listen to the album? Yeah? I thought it was all great. 301 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: Now though it might I'm kind of like, that's not 302 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: a great poetry, although maybe it is. What do I know, 303 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm the poet. You didn't even know it. So um. 304 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: There's one other thing about Algius Huxley too. He coined 305 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: the term psychedelic, really, and he coined it after his 306 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: first mescaline trip. Interesting, so mescalin, not even just peyote, 307 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Mescalin has given the world m D m A the 308 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: doors in the word psychedelic. I'm gonna have to tell 309 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: Noel that because movie crushed listeners will laugh at this. 310 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: Noel describes about of movies as psychedelic. Oh yeah, I'll 311 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: bet he described Mandy as psychedelic. F Oh totally. I 312 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: mean you could have to you could not describe it 313 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: as psychedelic. Yeah, absolutely. Um, alright, so let's talk about 314 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: the history a bit. They've done some carbon dating. I 315 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: read this one study of these peyote buttons at an 316 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: archaeological dig site that said that use. It suggested that 317 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: use went as far back as fifty b C and 318 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: that those buttons still had mescaline in them. That would work. 319 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine tripping on seventy undred year old Payote buttons? 320 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't that be something that you shouldn't do? Well? 321 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if that makes it weaker or if it's 322 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: like a fine wine, if it's like strap in this 323 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: this is seven thousand year old mescaline. Yeah. Can you 324 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: imagine like a bottle of wine from Thomas Jefferson cellar, 325 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: which apparently that stuff is not very good to drink. Uh, 326 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: it's just like a flashy thing that super rich people 327 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: want on their shelf. Yeah. Yeah. So the name though, 328 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: they think is derived from uh can you pronounce that? 329 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: The now? Now, it's all it's a it's the southernmost 330 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: group of the Aztecs. Okay. But the word they use 331 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: it is pay a tool p E y O t 332 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: L payotal, Yeah, payotal, payotal, payotal. That's yeah. I think 333 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: we got there. And they don't know what it means. 334 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: But some people think it might means the word glistening, 335 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: but not everyone is on that train. That's it you 336 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: could easily lose the the meaning of a word for glistening. 337 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a high priority. But it's a 338 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: beautiful word. But that first, The first mention of Westerners 339 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: encountering peyote is in this sixteenth century study called the 340 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Florentine Codex, and there was a Franciscan missionary who wrote 341 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: it named Bernardino de Sagan Sahagun. And he wrote, and 342 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: this is in the late fifteen hundreds, on him who 343 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: eats it or drinks it, it takes effect like mushrooms. 344 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Also also he sees many things which frightened one or 345 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: make one laugh. There you have it pretty straightforward stuff 346 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: for sure, but it definitely goes to show like, yeah, 347 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: people have been eating mushrooms in Europe for a very 348 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: long time. UM. So over time, from like the sixteenth 349 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: century onward in North America, UM, people would come in 350 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: contact with tribes that had like peyote rituals, and they 351 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: would try peyote themselves and they'd be like, this is crazy, 352 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: but this is great, or I puked my brains out, 353 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: this is awful. Um. It's all these stories kind of 354 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: started to come out. UM. And then over time peyote 355 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: used really diminished. It used to be very widespread, not 356 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: just where it grew, but even beyond its range. Like Um, 357 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: indigenous tribes in the area used to trade, so it 358 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: people who took peyote ritually. UM even after Colombian contact, 359 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: was pretty extensive. But then once like the missionaries took 360 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: hold and European governments took hold UM, that really got 361 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: outlawed to where it was basically boiled down to one 362 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: tribe called the Hui Chall. Actually, look that one up, 363 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: is it we It's hoy but the the c h 364 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: O L is the um the one he emphasized, So 365 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: it's Hochal, beautiful Charles, that's even better than Peyotal, at 366 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: least that's what the YouTube told me. The YouTube Emma 367 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: saying the one with the spiral, is that one accurate? 368 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're They're mostly accurate. Hoch Yeah, Okay, 369 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: So the ho ch All are very well known for 370 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: being the tribe most associated with payote ritual use these days, 371 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: but they're also very much opposed to UM western encroachment, 372 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: sometimes violently so. But I think those two are very 373 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: much interconnected. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I 374 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't know that. I mean, um, instead of getting rid 375 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: of all the things that we did and just swapping 376 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: it out for Christianity like they were being told to do, 377 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: they would just say, hey, man, I'll incorporate some of 378 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: your Christian ideas into our payote ceremonies. Yeah, and not 379 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: just them, but the Native American Church, which will talk 380 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: about later, they did basically the same thing. That's right. So, um, 381 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: you've got us uh a lot of payote use that 382 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: kind of went down to um one tribe and in 383 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: a weird way, it rebounded. No, it went, it shrank, 384 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: and then it contracted eventually even larger than before to 385 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: where it is today. Yeah, Peyota used today is far 386 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: more widespread than it was a thousand years ago, isn't 387 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 1: that interesting? Well, part of it because of you know, 388 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: American tourists, that's definitely part of it. And American tourists 389 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: were turned onto peyote by a guy who was a 390 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: U c. L A anthropology student back in the sixties 391 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: named Carlos Castaneda. That guy. Did you ever read any 392 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: of casts and news books? No? But he has been 393 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: sort of exposed as a fraud and a con man 394 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: in most academic circles, they will they will call him 395 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: that right in academic circles, right now, if you step 396 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: over a few rings to the new age circle. The 397 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: guy is a legend. And he wrote these books, um, 398 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: that were supposedly ethnographic studies about Don Juan Mattis. And 399 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: this is where Portuguese wine comes in, Chuck, did you 400 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: read this any, Carlos Castana, Yeah, okay, yeah, back in 401 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: the day, good stuff. Yeah, it was very interesting. I 402 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: only remember. I mean i'd heard of him, but from 403 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: the Bong Water song. What what is that? They had 404 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: a song called folk Song where she talks about you know, 405 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: I went somewhere looking for that Carlos Castana experience. Oh, 406 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: bong Waters the name of a band. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, 407 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: that's a great name for a band. They were great. 408 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: Um so Carlos Castaneta Um, he created these ethnographic studies 409 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: that he turned into books that sold like ten million copies. 410 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: And it was him being indoctrinated into the Peyote way 411 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: of life by a Peyote magician, a Yaqui Indian named 412 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: Don Juan Maddis. And the Portuguese wine comes in because 413 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: his long time companion is convinced that Don Juan didn't 414 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: exist and that Carlos Castaneda made him up and actually 415 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: named him after Matteus, the Portuguese wine that she and 416 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: he used to drink together all the time. But she's saying, like, 417 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's a fraud. That he he you know, 418 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: combined all these lessons and everything that he learned from 419 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: his own payote trips to kind of create this character 420 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: that was like almost a spirit character, right, And everybody said, no, 421 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: he's a fraud, like this was this was put out. 422 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: There is actual anthropological field work, and he basically lied 423 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: and made all this stuff up and was exposed later 424 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: on by some colleagues who really went to great trouble 425 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: to expose him and undermine him because he sold two 426 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: million books ten million books still selling them too. It's 427 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: like that guy, remember that big controversy, Like, jeez, when 428 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: was it probably twenty years ago when or maybe not 429 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: that long when Oprah exposed or yeah, she had him 430 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: on the show A Million Little Pieces that I read 431 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: that book. I really enjoyed it, and then found out 432 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: afterward about the fact that a lot of it was 433 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: made up, and I didn't care it was like, well, fine, 434 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: call it a novel. Then enjoyed it. Yeah, but Over 435 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: really did not let that one go. Remember, she brought 436 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: him back on for just like she went on TV, 437 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: like vouching for the guy or not vouching. But essentially 438 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: you're sort of vouching if you recommend his book, I guess, 439 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: but really, I I don't know. I think the follow 440 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: up episode was unnecessary and really put the guy in 441 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: the stocks. Basically. Yeah, I just remember thinking at the 442 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: time he just should not have called it a memoir, 443 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: just called it a novel. But and not to diminish 444 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: anyone's experience and rehab, which I think was the problem. 445 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: Is it kind of very much people, I think so. 446 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he basically made up some stuff about a 447 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: real life tragedy that people go through. Was that twenty 448 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: years ago? I don't think it was. When when I 449 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: think I was, I think it was like fifteen, because 450 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: it was right before I worked Here's when I worked 451 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: with the Chicken Killers well set uh so peyote. As 452 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: far as Westerners go, um, it was really the eighteen hundreds. 453 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: Its effects were first discussed by a doctor in Texas 454 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: named J. R. Briggs, who apparently just kind of stumbled 455 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: upon it when he met someone from the Kiawa tribe 456 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: who sold him some buttons, tried it out, wrote about 457 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: it in eight seven and and get this. He he 458 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: wrote that he um it was a respiratory stimulant and 459 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: his heart started racing. And within a year the company 460 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: Parke Davis from Detroit, had a Payote tincture out that 461 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: They said, we'll replace the addicting cocaine for a respiratory stimulant. 462 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: And it was mescaline. Yeah, mescaline tincture. He just dropped 463 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: some mescaline. Well used to be the Wild West, didn't it. Yeah, 464 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: but this is a Detroit, well, the wild Midwest. I've 465 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: got one more story about this too, alright, Park Davis 466 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: out of Detroit, Alistair Crowley. I don't know how he 467 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: found out that they had this mescaline tincture, but he 468 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: shows up at their door in Detroit, you know, Alistair Crowley, 469 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: the occult. Sure, he shows up and knocks on the 470 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: door with his scepter and he goes, I hear that 471 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: you have some Payote tincture. Do you mind whipping me 472 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: up a special batch? And they did, and he said 473 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: it was like the best payote tincture he's ever had, really, 474 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: out of all the payot tinctures, I guess he'd had 475 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of them. He wrote a book called Like 476 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: the Irie of a Mad Drug Fiend or something like that, 477 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: So I mean he knew what he was talking about. 478 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: But that's a good read. But the chemist at a 479 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company whipped up a special batch of peyote tincture 480 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: for him because he showed up on the doorstep. I 481 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: wonder if he goes by the lab and he's like, guys, 482 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: this for Alistair Crowley just content, Yeah, it's a little 483 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: extra mustard in this one. So um. And there was 484 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: a pharmacologist named Louis Lewin or Lewis Lewin, and he 485 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: was the first to publish an analysis of these alkaloids 486 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: that we were talking about. And this is a so 487 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: stuff was going on back then in the late eighteen 488 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: hundreds that they didn't quite understand, but they were writing 489 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: about it. There's also an article from the Aspen Times, 490 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: and I think that it's just a newspaper article about 491 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: some like white pioneer types who found some peyote buttons 492 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: from running into an indigenous tribe and took him in Aspen, 493 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Colorado eventually was settled exactly. That's pretty bunny. Alright, Let's 494 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: take another break here and we'll talk about the Native 495 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: American Church right after this stuff you should know, rush 496 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: stuff you should know, so check. There's something really weird 497 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: about payote in modern times, and that is that the 498 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: Native American Church um takes peyote. But the Native American 499 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: Church is made up of plenty of tribes that never 500 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: were exposed to payote traditionally. That was all a byproduct 501 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: of the forced relocation and reservation settlements that the American 502 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: government forced upon them. Right, so they'll be like a 503 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: Native American tribe in Canada that can take this. Canada 504 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: is nowhere near the natural range of peyote. And it's 505 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: not like it was traded all the way up into 506 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Canada back in the day. It literally came out of 507 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: this intermingling in the Oklahoma territory. And what makes it 508 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: even more interesting to me is that you can trace 509 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: it back to basically one man named Kwana Parker, who 510 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: was a Comanche chief who was a bad a dude. 511 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: He was like one of the last holdouts and then 512 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: managed to go from like um like basically at war 513 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: with white settlers in the American government to one of 514 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the leading leading politicians of the Oklahoma Territory who actually 515 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: bridged the gap between um, the white government and the 516 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Indians who have been relocated. Um he somehow rather than 517 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: just being he went from bitter enemies to Okay, let's 518 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: figure out how to do this the right way. But 519 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: he was the one who introduced payote to the Oklahoma territory. Yeah, 520 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: he went to Mexico in the eighteen eighties and I 521 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: guess brought a bunch back with him. So this stuff 522 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: is great. He said, let me just put a little 523 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: bit of this in my hat and I'm gonna ride 524 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: back with it. But the Native American Church became official 525 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen, which I thought was interesting, like right 526 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: around the same time that Mescaline was synthesized. And no 527 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: one really knows how many people they have because it's 528 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: not like um ed Ed says, it's like not a 529 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: tightly knit organization. It's more like a set of principles. 530 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: And my the first thing he came to my head 531 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: is like, it's probably because they're not They're not after anything. 532 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: It's like the Southern Baptist convention is very everyone knows 533 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: exactly how many members there are there because it's very 534 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: strict and formal codified. Because there's uh, I imagine they 535 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: have an agenda of some sort. Sure, I don't think 536 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: there's anywhere near the same agenda as among the Native 537 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: American Church. But they do share the fact that they 538 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: are a Christian organization. Oh yeah, that's as far as 539 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I know. They are Christian based Peyote Church. Interesting. Yeah, 540 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: well the other interesting thing is you said, because it's 541 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: sort of a um, a mix of all different kinds 542 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: of tribes and people's that they have just sort of 543 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: settled on. Um. Like it's it's not like if they 544 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: use like drums in a ceremony or a rattle and 545 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a ceremony, it's for that specific tribe. They're more like 546 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: generic Native American items, right, Yeah, it's almost like, um, 547 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: this is yeah, there's no better way to put it really, 548 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: or they'll have, you know, even if they didn't use 549 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: TPS in their tribe, they will have the Peyote Ritual 550 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: ceremony in a TP its representation, part of its representation. 551 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: But also it was just a practical measure too, because 552 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: on the reservation under the very watchful eye of like 553 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: the White army officers who were in charge of ridding 554 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Native Americans of their customs and ceremonies. They couldn't do 555 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: these payote rituals out in the open any longer, so 556 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: they actually took them inside in secret into TPS, which 557 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: is why they're conducted in tps still today. Originally it 558 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: was just to keep from under the eyes of the 559 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: people who are charged with overseeing them eradicating their culture. Interesting, 560 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: so they're like, let's just keep it in the TP, right, 561 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: what happens in the t P state, You got it. So, 562 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: a modern ceremony in the Native American church with peyote 563 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: is usually specific and it's focused on like healing most likely, 564 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: and it's led by something called a roadman. You sit 565 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: around that fire, you take your payote, and you strap 566 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: in for an all night experience where you're supposed to 567 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: like really be into it. You're not supposed to lay 568 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: back and look at the stars or take a nap 569 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: or anything. You're supposed to really focus on. I guess 570 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: what you're trying to accomplish, right, or what the peyote 571 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: is telling you to pay attention to. Like you're yeah, 572 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: it's not like like check out my hand. I'm waving 573 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: in of my first everybody see that funking groove in. Man, 574 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: how long has this been happening? It's like two hours? No, man, right. 575 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: And there's this science scientific American writer named John Horgan 576 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: who wrote about being in a um Native American church 577 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: payote ritual and he said, like, man, people were sobbing, 578 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: people were throwing up, like there was it was very solemn, 579 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: he said, and they were just being taught a lot 580 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: of stuff by the payote. Very interesting. And the Native 581 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: American churches in the United States the only group that 582 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: is allowed to um, trade, sell, possess, grow ingest payote. 583 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: And actually I don't think all of them can grow. 584 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: I think you have to be a licensed payo tero 585 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: to to grow or harvest payote um. But you can 586 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: be like I'm a member of the Native American Church 587 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: and I can take this and for a while, UM, 588 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: from I think vent eight until the nineties, you had 589 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: to be a Native America to be considered a member 590 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: of the Native American Church by the US government and 591 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: be um subject to be allowed to eat peyote. But 592 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: that's not the case anymore. No, there's a Supreme Court trial. 593 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: I think it's right. The American Indian Religious Freedom ACX 594 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: and seventy nine four basically said it can't be very specific, 595 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 1: so it's unconstitutional. So you could technically join the Native 596 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: American Church. You could technically submit um and petition the 597 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: government and register with the government and be a peyotero 598 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: and grow peyote and take it and eat it. Yes, 599 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: you Chris Ball. That's who Chuck speaking to right now. 600 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: Is Chris Ball the guy who's listening. Okay, gotcha. I 601 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: hope there is one Chris Ball. I kind of hope 602 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: there's not. No for legal reasons. But this was all 603 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: necessary because here in the United States, of course, um, 604 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: it was classified as a habit forming drug in n 605 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: which it's not, which is not. And uh, let me see, 606 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy the US past the Comprehensive Drug Abuse 607 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Prevention and Control Act, where they had to put everything 608 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: in categories, scheduled it as a Schedule one, labeled it 609 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: as a Schedule one substance, which is of course the 610 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: worst of the worst, they say, which is not. Uh, 611 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: and that's kind of it. You got anything else? Yeah, 612 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: one thing I forget to say is um even though 613 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: it's not related to LSD or mushrooms, it's frequently compared 614 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: to it in potency. And I saw that it's thirty 615 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: times less potent than then psilocybin. That pot is, yeah, 616 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: thirty times less. Put This just seemed really weird to me, 617 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: but I saw it in like an actual study from 618 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: San Diego State and Tijuana Tech Party School. Um, and 619 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: it's like one thousand to three thousand times less potent 620 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: than LSD. Interesting, Well, then what is this twelve hour like, well, 621 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's not gonna like get on top 622 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: of you and you can have a really bad trip 623 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like you're gonna trip for twelve hours. 624 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: But supposedly dose specific like a graham of gotcha, got 625 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: maybe mescalin is just completely bonkers. The difference between the two. Well, 626 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: because LSD they've sent the size down to you know, 627 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: it's a little tiny piece of paper, it's not eight buttons. 628 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, I think that's it. Then that's payote Yeah, um, okay, Well, 629 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about Payote, go read 630 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: some Carlos Castanado books. And since I said that it's 631 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: time for the listener mail. This is on eyewitness testimony. 632 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,479 Speaker 1: Hey guys, uh, I thought i'd chip in a little 633 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: bit about my own personal experience. So I've been living 634 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: and working in Japan for the last fifteen years. I've 635 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: noticed I'm perfectly capable of identifying Japanese. As a matter 636 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: of fact, I can sometimes recognize and pick out students 637 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: that I taught many years ago on the train or 638 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: the mall with relative ease. I live and work in 639 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: the Kansai area, which is a little smaller than New 640 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: York City in terms of population, so I see a 641 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: lot of people. Meanwhile, back in the States during the holidays. 642 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: One time, I was shopping with my family, spotted my 643 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: mom from across the store and walked over to her. 644 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: When I got closer, it wasn't my mom, it was 645 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: another woman that looked about the same agent height. And 646 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: he wrote back after I told him I was going 647 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: to read it and said, you know, I just want 648 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: to point out him just a white dude, Just a 649 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: white dude, right uh? And he said, so, I think 650 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: it's not that we are somehow magically better at identifying 651 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: our own race, but are just better at identifying the 652 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of people that we are usually surrounded by, which 653 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: is usually our own race. Very good point. Was this 654 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: guy's name Chris Ball? No, he said, I thought you 655 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,919 Speaker 1: might find that interesting. Anyway, If you're ever in Japan again, Josh, 656 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 1: let me know. And just one small question for you. 657 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: Did you ever take the janguage the janguage the Japanese 658 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: Language proficiency test, which I think they call the Jangled Test? 659 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: For sure? Did I ever take it? No? Had I, 660 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 1: I would have failed spectacularly. It's one of the great 661 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: shames of my life that, after all these years and 662 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: being married to a woman of Japanese ancestry, I I 663 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: speak very little Japanese. Al Right, well, he says, I've 664 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: just gotten done writing a book for the first level. 665 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: I'd love to send it to you. Oh yeah, please, 666 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: Chris is from Clayton McKnight Clayton, and he said, ps. 667 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: One of the textbooks I use in class as a 668 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: hippie character in it named Rob. No, that's what he said. Wow, Yeah, 669 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: I would love to have that book because I would 670 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: like to learn Japanese. Yeah, Clayton, Thanks Clayton. I've been 671 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: to Kanzi too before. They have a beautiful airport there 672 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: that was designed by Renzo Piano. Nice. It's worth even 673 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: just looking up pictures of it. That nice. Did you 674 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: ever stay in that t W a hotel in New York? No? 675 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: Have you? No? But I saw it in in a 676 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: magazine article and I thought it looked pretty cool. Yeah, 677 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: it does look cool. I haven't been to New York 678 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah. The problem is staying out of 679 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: the airport. Yeah JFK. I mean, I guess if you're 680 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: just like staying there overnight for a connecting flight at work, 681 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: let's do it all right. Uh. If you want to 682 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: get in touch of this, like Clayton did and um 683 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: offer us a language book or anything, or just to 684 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: say hi, you can go onto stuff you Should Know 685 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: dot com and check out our social links there, and 686 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: you can send us an email to stuff podcast at 687 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: i heeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is 688 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Radios. How stuff works. For more 689 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 690 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.