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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we're chatting with Toddgraf of bowhunting dot Com

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Speaker 2: about the habits, personality, traits and behaviors of the biggest

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Speaker 2: oldest bucks he's ever hunted. All right, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First

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Speaker 2: Light and their Camo for Conservation initiative, in which every

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, right there. So today on the show, we

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Speaker 2: are kicking off a brand new series this month of September,

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Speaker 2: as deer hunting seasons are kicking off all over the country.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a handful of some of

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Speaker 2: the best deer hunters across the country about the biggest

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Speaker 2: oldest bucks they've ever hunted. We're diving into the minds,

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Speaker 2: the personalities, the tendencies, the vulnerabilities of really old bucks.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing about old bucks. They are really cool.

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Speaker 2: But I want to point out the fact that you

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Speaker 2: don't need to chase big old bucks. So don't think

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Speaker 2: when you're here in this episode, in the next couple

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Speaker 2: that by any means you should feel obligated to chase

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Speaker 2: the deer like this. If you are into shooting the

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Speaker 2: first dear, you see more power to you. You are

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Speaker 2: a newer hunter and you are just figuring this stuff out.

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Speaker 2: Please do not think that you need to chase a

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Speaker 2: five or six year old buck. It is hard just

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Speaker 2: a year and a half old deer. Figure it out easier,

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Speaker 2: way into it. Enjoy every step of the process. Don't

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Speaker 2: feel any pressure to chase after one of these deer

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Speaker 2: or to do something like you're hearing about here today.

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Speaker 2: That said, if you are in a place where you

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Speaker 2: are interested in mature deer. These shows are definitely for you,

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Speaker 2: and you can learn a lot even if you're not

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Speaker 2: chasing deer like this. There's a lot to be learned here.

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Speaker 2: But if you appreciate a big, old stinky buck the

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Speaker 2: There is something special about a buck, a white tail buck,

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Speaker 2: when they get to that age of you know, five

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Speaker 2: they just become a different creature. They move different, they

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Speaker 2: have to realize that this is a different ballgame. When

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Speaker 2: of the woods, those deer operate on a different plane.

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Speaker 2: And so this month we're gonna try to dig into

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Speaker 2: And to do that today, we're kicking it off with

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Speaker 2: And it's a lot of fun too, you know, including myself.

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Speaker 2: There's also Tony Peterson, Spencer Newharth, Clay Newcomb, and Giannis

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Speaker 2: on there. That starts in episode one. It ends in

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Speaker 2: episode two, so highly recommend you check that out. If

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Speaker 2: the Nebraska hunt, that's what you can watch now, So

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Speaker 2: check that out. Hope you enjoy that. Update number two

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Speaker 2: rut Fresh Radio is kicking off this week, so hopefully

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Speaker 2: It's nuts. But somehow we're still here, still doing this,

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Speaker 3: we are weeks. Well, I'm actually five days a week.

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Speaker 2: Coming, It's so true. So opening day in Illinois is

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Speaker 2: So I think that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: very mature buck, you start hearing people talk about different

431
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: behavior changes that they tend to see in them. For you,

432
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: where have you seen that? Like I might say, like

433
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: in my experiences, I was thinking about this, like I've

434
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: always seen a big change from a three year old

435
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: to a four year old where they go from like

436
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: a crazy teenager to like an adult sort of. But

437
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 2: then the five year olds, at least the five year

438
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: olds I've ever been been able to hunt become like ghosts.

439
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: So I almost think that from four to five it's

440
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: been bigger in my experience. At least, where have you

441
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 2: seen that? Or is there is there a totally different

442
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: category of maturreyer that I've never seen? Like do they

443
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: do something totally different at six or seven or eight,

444
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: because I've never got to hunt a deer like that.

445
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Where do you see that big transition occurring from a

446
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: behavior standpoint?

447
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, again, I can only relate this

448
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: to deer that I know that I've chased, you know.

449
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 3: So when I think of the bigger dear that I chase,

450
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: I think a sweetness. You probably remember that buck that

451
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: was a two hundred and twenty inch buck here shot

452
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: in Illinois by a good friend of mine, Mike, you know.

453
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 3: And I chased the daylights out of that deer and

454
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 3: finally had a chance sent him at late season. It

455
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: was a sixty yard shot and I don't feel comfortable taking,

456
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 3: you know, far shot, so I didn't shoot, and then

457
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: we ended up getting him the following year. And when

458
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: I think of sweetness, I think of that other big

459
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: buck coke Can that Kirk shot, you know on our team,

460
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 3: that was a big deer that I that I passed

461
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: that ended up getting a couple of years down the

462
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: road and really turned out to be a monster old buck. Again,

463
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: not necessarily a huge rack, but just old deer. So

464
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: I think I think what you said is pretty much

465
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: spot on. It seems like that that and the way

466
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: you and the way you posed it is pretty spot

467
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: on too, right, Like they're they're these wild teenagers and

468
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: they're full of and maybe they're just that way too

469
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: because they're trying to find their spot and they're trying

470
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: to find their place in the hierarchy, because there's always

471
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: somebody older than you, and there's always that, you know,

472
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: a deer that is probably already holding onto those quote

473
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: unquote better spots. Like if you're bass fishing, it seems

474
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: like there's certain spots you can always go to if

475
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: that tree limb comes out, it's like you can almost

476
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: always get a fish off it. But that's not necessary

477
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: where the big one is, right, So I think you're right.

478
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's at least from what I've seen from

479
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: trail camera data and the bucks that I've chased, it

480
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: seems like when they hit that four and a half boy,

481
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: they get elusive. Last year, we were chasing a pretty

482
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: big buck and on a different farm we were chasing,

483
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: and man we had we were getting shots of him

484
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: early season, cool deer, big deer, and just like you said,

485
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: light bulb went off, that deer was gone. And truly,

486
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: it's a special deer. This is a great buck. And

487
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: he disappeared off the radar and gone nothing on this deer.

488
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: And would you believe it, he's still alive. We just

489
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: got a picture of him, you know, a few weeks ago.

490
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: So just crazy enough. Like I mean, they got those

491
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: underground caves dug out somewhere, and they they don't get big.

492
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: They don't listen, they don't get that big being stupid.

493
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: They just don't. And and I don't know sleep listen.

494
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: I don't think they wake up in the morning and

495
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: have grafts and power points and charts and are tracking

496
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: every movement. You know that we do. I don't think

497
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: their brains work that way, you know, at all. I

498
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: think when it comes down to it, they know where

499
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: they're being bumped and where they're not being bumped. And

500
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: you know, the best, we always whenever I talk to

501
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: my friends, I always think about the same thing I'm

502
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: telling you, Like, PTSD is a real thing, right, And

503
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: if you're laying in your bed at night and you're

504
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: all cozy and you're sleeping there with your wife, I

505
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: promise you, if a fricking burglar comes busting through that

506
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: door and you fly out of that bed. I promise

507
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: you you're not going to sleep very good and that

508
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: bed for a long time to come. And we've all

509
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: been mister sneaky, tiptoeing into these spots that we know,

510
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: like we're a foot away from taking a step where

511
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: we know we know we're gonna bust one at any second,

512
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: right because you could just tell by the way the

513
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: spot looks, and I promise you you can. Man, you

514
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: can only get away with doing that a couple of times,

515
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: and they're not coming back. So personally, I just think

516
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: those big deer as they age, if they want to live,

517
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: they don't want to be bothered, They don't want to

518
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: be around all that dough pressure. They find those spots

519
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: where they're just not being pressure all the time. It's

520
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: like looking for a used car. Everyone always wants what, Man,

521
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: I found this car that was in this seventy five

522
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: year old ladies garage. She's never driven it. It's unbelievable,

523
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: it's never been touched, right, Like, we're all looking for

524
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: these hunting spots that they do exist, But what's the

525
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: first thing we do when we usually find these spots?

526
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: Walk all over go and then what do we do

527
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: the trail cameras follow and then maybe a food plot follows,

528
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: and then maybe oh gosh, I can't figure the spot out. Hey, Mark,

529
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: you got to You got a couple hours this weekend. Listen,

530
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: I need you to come over and take a look

531
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: at this spot, and and and and hey, that's fine.

532
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: If you want to bring Rover, you know, bring go

533
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: ahead and bring Rover to he can take a walk

534
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: along with us. You know, the bottom line, those best

535
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: spots that we find that are untouched whatever. Call it

536
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: the sanctuary, you call it the back forty, call it,

537
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. Those spots do exist.

538
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: And if you can find them, know where they are,

539
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: stay out of them and figure out how to I mean,

540
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: you talk about that one hundred and ninety two inch

541
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: buck man, everything about killing that one ninety two, because

542
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: I that that was in the early days of filming

543
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: and I and I I wasn't filming everything that I

544
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: was doing, you know, some of the other encounters I

545
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: had with them and so forth. But everything about shooting

546
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: that deer was entry point and exit critical. I mean

547
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 3: it was I had the most pinpoint way of being

548
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: able to get in and get out, and it was

549
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: putting down the most minimal amount of scent and not

550
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: disturbing that key, betting your ear where he was, where

551
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: he was hung up. That was number one. Number two,

552
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: it was making sure that I just didn't go in

553
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: there on the wrong wind, because just because they're getting

554
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: in and out, if all of a sudden you're sitting there,

555
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: we've all been there before, We're sitting there, and all

556
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're like that, you know, you feel

557
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: it against the back of your ears, and you're like, oh,

558
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, and and what's the worst man? The worst

559
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: for me is I'm a filmer. So I'm sitting there,

560
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: going do I want to tear down all this equipment now?

561
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: And the answer should be yes, right, your brain, your

562
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: everything in your body's telling you no, I should move

563
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: right now. But then you're like, well, maybe it's going

564
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: to change an hour from now or maybe this, but

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: you probably have already blown it, you know. So I

566
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: think to answer your question specifically, I think you're right.

567
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: At four and a half, they start really just becoming

568
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: a lot harder to find, and their movements just become

569
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: a lot more at night, a lot more you know, nocturnal,

570
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: and that they're a little bit harder to pick up

571
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: and locating.

572
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned the entry and exit for that one, and

573
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: you said that was a just bulletproof entry and exit.

574
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: Can you describe how you were actually doing that that

575
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: made it so effective for a way to get in

576
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: and out?

577
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: It was just easy, to be honest with you, you know,

578
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: I wish I could tell you, like this was like

579
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: super strategic. The area that I was hunting Number one

580
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: was flat. Anyone that hunts enough realizes that if you

581
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: can if the topology is flat, then the wind is

582
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: going to always be so much more consistent. You start

583
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: getting into any kind of hilly country and mountains, and

584
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: you know, you got your place in Idaho and whatever.

585
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you start hunting different train. Anytime you start

586
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 3: hunting topology, topology, you know, you know, anytime you start hunting,

587
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: you know where it's hilly valleys, bottom areas, lowlands, and

588
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: you can't keep the wind consistent. Dude, it's a it's

589
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: a whole nother ball of axe. I mean, truthfully, I

590
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: was kind of fortunate when I first started hunting my

591
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Wisconsin swamp. Dude, it was like flat, and then my

592
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: and then and then hunting here and ill More in

593
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 3: the northwest suburbs of Chicago where we live, it's flat.

594
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: So that particular entry point when it's a west wind,

595
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: it's a west wind, when it's even south west or whatever, like,

596
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: it is exactly what it is versus other stands. You

597
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: go to, Oh, it's going to be a west wind,

598
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: and you get up there and you're throwing the wind

599
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: check and you're like what you know, you know, and

600
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: it's going completely the wrong way because of the you know,

601
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: because of the land. So that particular hunt, I was

602
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: able to park the car in a spot to where

603
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: nobody was around. It was super easy. I was able

604
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: to keep my nose right into the wind. And honestly,

605
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't like over the woods, you know, through a

606
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: cornfield up over there. I mean, it was just a

607
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 3: nice easy straight line. Now that was by design with

608
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: where I was parking, and I had to get some

609
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: access at that point in my life to be able

610
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: to allow me to pull that off. And luckily the

611
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: woman was nice enough to let me actually park the

612
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: and do what I was doing, so that worked out

613
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: like sweet as well.

614
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that's no small thing to go get that extra access.

615
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, but you know, you know, years ago,

616
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: it's also seemed like it was a lot easier too.

617
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean, listen with anyone that's been doing any kind

618
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: of door knocking nowadays. I talked to Paul our, our

619
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: new guy that's working with us. I mean, you know,

620
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: and I and I keep referring it to like the

621
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: salesmanship thing, right, like, you knock, got enough doors, eventually

622
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: somebody's going to answer. Right. He's like, oh, I've been

623
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: on twelve already and I've only had one. That's like ah,

624
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: And I said, hey, dude, that's how it works. You

625
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: just got to keep you got to keep going and

626
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: eventually you know you're going to find something. But so

627
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: having good entry points when you know where a good

628
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: betting here is, and of course that you know, you

629
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: you you you're always playing a game because it's how

630
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: close do I want to get? You know? Like sure, Mark,

631
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've been in a lot of hunting situations

632
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: where yeah, you can sit way back and you can

633
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: watch them get up and you can see him and

634
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: then you're like, Okay, they need to come this way,

635
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: and then they go that way, right, Like I mean,

636
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: so it's always kind of determining how close can I

637
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: get without it being too close? And in that particular case,

638
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: I was able to legitimately get within about sixty yards

639
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: of this little favorite little spot where he was betting.

640
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: So that was key. And if there's anything to be

641
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: taken from this podcast right now that we're having, we're

642
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: not going to tell you till the end. I'm just kidding,

643
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: wait till you're gonna have to wait. Is if you

644
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 3: can find good solid buck betting areas of the buck

645
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 3: that you want to kill the buck that you want.

646
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: It's all about locating those areas and getting as close

647
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: to them as you can that I mean, that is key.

648
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: And you know what, and don't buck the spots up.

649
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: I do not put the trail cameras in those spots.

650
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: When you find that big buck bed. I think a

651
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: Matt Miller on our team. You know, he moved here

652
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: and was hunting a lease, and you know he found

653
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 3: a really decent bed of a buck up on a ridgetop,

654
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: and you know what, same thing goes. I think about

655
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: his hunt. I remember talking to him. This is years

656
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: ago too. I remember just talking to him and he

657
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: just he knew in your brain, it's almost like you

658
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: can close your eyes and you literally can execute the plan.

659
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: You know all the way from getting out of the car,

660
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: the path that you're gonna take, how you're gonna climb

661
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: that tree, how stealthy and quiet you're gonna be, and

662
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: and how quickly you know the timeliness it takes you

663
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: to get there. Like, you got to have all that

664
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: stuff in your brain. Big buck killers they got that

665
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: wired in their brain. It's not I'm gonna stop and

666
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: get this coffee and then I'm gonna do this, and

667
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: then you know I'm gonna I might wear those boots man,

668
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: big buck killers and people, and forget about the big

669
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: buck hillers. People that shoot bucks on a year to

670
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: year regular basis. Man, they've got a plan. It's in

671
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: their brains. You know. They know their gear, they know

672
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: what's in their pack, they know what's in the left

673
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: hand top pocket. They they you're dialed in, whether you're

674
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: a saddle guy, you just know what's in each pocket,

675
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: how you're gonna maneuver. Like that's the way you need

676
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: to train your brain. So when you can start getting

677
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: into those situations where you're gonna get tight on mature bucks,

678
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: you know where all your stuff is you're just dialed in.

679
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: All the guys that I meet that are crazy, I

680
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't say crazy, but because one of them you're just

681
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 3: you're just you're you know, you're just you're dialed in. Mark,

682
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm talking about. I mean,

683
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: you know those guys who are just walking around and

684
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: just kind of being lazy, and they wonder why they're

685
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: spooking deer and not seeing stuff. And then you got

686
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: your guys who are just man, they're on their a game,

687
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: and that's what you gotta be. Period of this. We

688
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: got off, we all get lucky, right, we all can

689
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: fall into one once in a while, and hey, that happens.

690
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pass up those. But if you

691
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: really want to get those mature bucks, you got to

692
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: have a plan. You got to learn where they're living,

693
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: and you've got to find those overlooked spots, which you

694
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: know we talked about how you said, Hey, you know

695
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: you got to walk around. Yeah, you do have to scout,

696
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: like I mean, you know, there's a time to scout.

697
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: There's a time to do it effectively, and then there's

698
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: the times when you shouldn't. One of the things that

699
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: I've kind of gotten in the habit of doing is

700
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: we're all creatures of habit, right, So often we have

701
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: a stand You mentioned it in the beginning of this podcast.

702
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 3: You know you've trimmed your stuff out, you're kind of ready,

703
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: you kind of have your plan. What I try to

704
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: do when I go hunt one of those spots is

705
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: I try to always be scouting, right, you always got

706
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: to be scouting. So sometimes what I'll do is, even

707
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: though it's easier for me to maybe go out the

708
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: way that I came, and my brain is telling me that, hey,

709
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to leave in the extra sin, I

710
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: don't want to do that. Sometimes you just got to

711
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: go some different routes and some different paths to be

712
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: able to see if things have changed, because in the

713
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: White Tails world, things are always always changing. I'll tell

714
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: you a little thing too. I got this really big

715
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: one that I told you earlier in this podcast that

716
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: I that I'm chasing. I went back there to this spot,

717
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: and man, I was like, I just I'm not getting

718
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: both of them anymore. I thought he died, honestly. I mean,

719
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: we have a drought here in Illinois, EHD. I'm sure

720
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: something you've heard people talking about here in the Midwest.

721
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: I mean, the drought is bad. It sucks. And I

722
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: could just smell I could smell, you know, something dead,

723
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, you know, and if ben in the woods

724
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: enough to know when you smell that, you're kind of

725
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: you know, you're like you almost have to like it's

726
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: almost like a game, right, But it's like you gotta

727
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: go find it, Like there's something about us that this

728
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: is like I need to go find what this got

729
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: to well, you gotta know, right, And I haven't been

730
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: getting pictures of him for a month. He disappeared, This

731
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: big guy disappeared on me, and so so I am.

732
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: So I start, you know, looking around, Thank goodness, was

733
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: the dead raccoon. Okay, let's get that out of the way.

734
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: Round the bat good But I'm like, man, why is

735
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: this deer not coming through here? So he was always

736
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: coming through. This was like bulletproof.

737
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: Man.

738
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: I was getting pretty regular inns. Would you believe it?

739
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: We had a really big storm, a monster I mean,

740
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: a big tree fell down and this particular spot is

741
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: almost like a little funnel, almost like a little pinch point.

742
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: And sure enough it complete. I mean, this tree is

743
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: a huge cottonwood completely blocked the access because it wasn't

744
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: just so much that my big guy was missing. I

745
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: wasn't getting even my there's been one dough with one

746
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: fund coming through there, and even I was getting kind

747
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: of coyotes in a red like man, this just this this,

748
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: this is not something's not right. Well, sure enough, this

749
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: monster cottonwood came down and it hit completely like they

750
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: could not get through and they were going around and

751
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: completely avoiding this spot, like entirely. So I had to

752
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: go in there and get rid of that. And would

753
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: you believe it? You know, would you believe it when

754
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: you actually when you texted me, I was out in

755
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: Montana or Colorado. Forgot where I was at the time,

756
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: and I was finally starting to get pictures again because

757
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: before I, before I went on the trip, I went

758
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: into that particular spot. I cleaned it out, got it

759
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: trimmed out. Of course, you know, it took a lot

760
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: of work, chainsaws, blah blah blah. I had to do

761
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: way more disruption than I wanted to do. But after

762
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: about a week and a half, would you believe it,

763
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: there comes my going fawn again and here comes that

764
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: regular traffic, and sure enough, bam, you know, he showed

765
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: up a couple more times just because that path of easy,

766
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: path of least resistance wasn't there anymore and they just

767
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: weren't cutting through there. So just a little tidbit of

768
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: information there, right, You know, if something changes, you gotta

769
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: kind of got to figure out what happened. Like if

770
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: you're this awesome funnel on top of a ridge somewhere

771
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: and you're like, what is going on this thing? Just die? Well? Geez,

772
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: if you had a big, huge oak tree block it

773
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: sixty eighty one hundred yards up and you can't see

774
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: it and now they're screting the side, something can change.

775
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: You gotta always be scouting for sure.

776
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that really tricky balancing act between maintaining you know,

777
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: current intel while also not over pressuring a location. And

778
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: you mentioned a second ago how the very most important

779
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: thing when it comes to these really mature boxes is

780
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: finding where they want to live and not screwing that up.

781
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: Can you share with me a little bit about the

782
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: kinds of specific places that you found over the years

783
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: that these big old like the top dog buck in

784
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: the area likes to hole up. I mean, we know

785
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: the general things like, oh, they're like thick stuff or

786
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. But when you think about

787
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: some of these specific old deer that you've gotten to

788
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: know over the years, I'd be really curious about, like

789
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: if you can even recall, like what some of those

790
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: specific little bedrooms looked like that that top dog picked.

791
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about where like the number one

792
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: spots are because these bucks, you know, have a hierarchy, right,

793
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: and so the different betting years kind of get claimed

794
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: based on where you stand in a hierarchy sometimes, So

795
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: where's that top tier deer prefer to be.

796
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: I definitely think it's different, you know, for all the

797
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: different areas you hunt. I think of this one buck

798
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: longhorn that I was chasing, and this was in more

799
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: western Illinois, and there's these rock croppings, right, And it's

800
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: funny because you think betting, you think betting years, you're

801
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: almost like you're almost your brains like thinking, oh, it

802
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: should be cushy, right, it should be like a temper

803
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: pedic mattress, and it should be super nice and comfortable,

804
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: and they're going to get in there and kind of

805
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: snuggle in. And this one buck uh longhorn that that

806
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: that I was chasing, Oh, just an awesome accounter with

807
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: never know whatever happened to that deer. He was awesome.

808
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: He had this spot that was on a I know

809
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: this isn't a video, but if you can almost imagine

810
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: a top of a ridge that comes to a point

811
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: and there is these big rock outcroppings and there is

812
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: just the biggest bed that I found in the longest

813
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: time on this point by these rocks, and it's like, shit,

814
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't have lasted there more than five

815
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: minutes sitting on there. But you know, that's not how

816
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: animals think, right, That's just how soft whimbs like me think.

817
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: But when you think of a big buck who wants

818
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: to have a great vantage point that you know, in

819
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: this particular spot in this country, it was up high,

820
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 3: the wind was good, they had, you know, they could

821
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: keep their back, you know, where they could smell stuff

822
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: coming from behind them. They could sit where they could

823
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: see you know, a whole area with multiple exits, you

824
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: know exits, you know, I mean if they if someone

825
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: would have jumped that deer, it literally could have gone

826
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: three different directions and within seconds you'd never see it again.

827
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: And that was one spot that I remember, and the

828
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: more that I've hunted in those areas where you have

829
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: hills with those rock croppings out on those points. Man,

830
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: they just really seem to like those spots because I

831
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: just think they literally can dart downhill and you'll never

832
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: see them ever again. And and the wind is just

833
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: so good for them up there that they can just

834
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: always feel safe, and you know, at the end of

835
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: the day, like they're just worried about predators, right, they're

836
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: not really thinking, oh shit, Mark kenyans after me. You know,

837
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: they're not you know, they're they're not thinking like that.

838
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: They're just thinking, like, you know, where can I get

839
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: the best rest, you know, for the longest amount of

840
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: time without being busted all the time. So I think

841
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: an area where a buck, you know, big mature buck

842
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: can sit have And it's funny because we think about

843
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes we're always thinking about that thick, nasty stuff.

844
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: You know. I don't know if that's always the case, right,

845
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: Like I've seen plenty of big bucks be in areas

846
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: where there's not tons and tons of cover. They could

847
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: just see good, the wind's good, and they've got enough

848
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: exit points where they got cover that they know if

849
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: they need to get out get out of the area

850
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: that they can. But so I, you know, my favorite

851
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: spots where I generally find those big, bigger bucks. You know,

852
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: it seems to be those cat tail slews, those areas

853
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: that are just kind of thick and nasty that nobody

854
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: wants to go to and no one's really kind of

855
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: popping into it. And every time in my life that

856
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: I found those cattail slews, you walk around those things enough.

857
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: And the only reason why I even like those things

858
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: is because I was fortunate enough again to have that

859
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: property in Wisconsin that I was able to get purchased

860
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: from my dad years ago, and that's all I had

861
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: to hunt. And being a duck hunter when I was younger,

862
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: you walked around those cat tails enough. You were looking

863
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: for what when you were duck hunting, those spots that

864
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: just had the little open, little water spots right where

865
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 3: you'd see those buck, duck bucks, Jesu Louise bucks, ducks,

866
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: all of them. You'd see those ducks, you know, cupping

867
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: up and locking in and coming on in right. You

868
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: were looking for those spots for the ducks. But on

869
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: your way to getting to those spots, you'd be walking

870
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: along and all of a sudden, you'd come along the

871
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: spot where it's like, holy cow, look at this. You

872
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: could literally come right up and it's all just you know,

873
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: up and high and man, you're like, man, look at

874
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: the beds in here, like they could just you know,

875
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: you would never think that you could literally go out

876
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: into the middle of a cat tail nasty slew and

877
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: have completely dry ground where they can stand up, shake

878
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: it off, you know, eat a little bit, you know,

879
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: chew their cuds, turn around a little bit, lay back

880
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: down again. So I think the key of what we're

881
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: talking about here is you're looking. You're not always looking,

882
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: like you said, for those spots where the most thickest,

883
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: nastiest cover is. Those are good and those can be

884
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: really successful, but also be looking for those spots where

885
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: the deer just they've got the winning advantage, Like you know,

886
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: they've got those spots, and sometimes those spots you just

887
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: got to beat the deer back to them. You know,

888
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: you know you're there. You just got to be in

889
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: super early. You got to get there way before they're

890
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: going to get there, and hope that you're not going

891
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: to get detected while you're sitting there.

892
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen I've had some situations where I've seen this,

893
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: and I've certainly heard of other people mentioning this, but

894
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: always it still catches me by surprise. Sometimes. Have you

895
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: ever seen a buck that beds in a place that

896
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: you would think actually would put him around people and

897
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: human access more than you might expect, But he's actually

898
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: there because he's monitoring access, so he's able. He's out

899
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: on like a point leading out into a grassy field

900
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: or something that kind of goes by the access road,

901
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: so every time you go in there, he knows it.

902
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: That kind of thing. I've heard stories about that kind

903
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: of thing. I've had a couple situations where I thought

904
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: that might be what's going on, Like, man, how come

905
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: I can never get in here without this deer knowing

906
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm here because he shows up in daylight on trail camera.

907
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: But whenever I'm in here, even though I think my

908
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: win's right, even though I think I'm doing everything right,

909
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: he never shows up. And then all of a sudden,

910
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: I find this little buck bed like right along where

911
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: I was coming along in a spot that doesn't make

912
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: any sense in most most ways of thinking about have

913
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: you ever seen that kind of thing?

914
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, Then you know, I guess I never

915
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: really I've heard people talk about this like maybe they're

916
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: just watching us coming in and coming out all the time,

917
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, so maybe you know, But I don't know.

918
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: I you know, I I really truly don't think they're

919
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: that strategic. I just don't, you know, maybe I'm wrong.

920
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you can find sixteen guys or

921
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: you'll get a million comments. Now that just says I'm

922
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: an idiot, right, Like the keyboard guys will come and

923
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: start smashing it on this. You know, I really just

924
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: don't no matter what you say, it doesn't matter what

925
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: I say, right, I just I really don't think a

926
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: mature buck wakes up in the morning and it's like,

927
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna slip down and I'm gonna

928
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: park myself near that particular spot to see if anyone's

929
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: going to come into the hunt this public today. You know,

930
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: I just don't think they think that way. I think

931
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: the spots that they choose are chosen because they have

932
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: those vantage points. They feel safe, they've got the wind

933
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: at their advantage. They feel like if they do get busted,

934
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: they can get out of dodge, you know quickly. I

935
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: just I really don't think. I think for their brains,

936
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: it's where can I go and where can I sit

937
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: the longest before I ever get bumped by anything. If

938
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: you're out west, maybe it's cougar's you know, maybe it's

939
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's you know, a pack of coyotes. Whatever,

940
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: it's where can I go and be for the longest

941
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: period of time when no one's bugging me? I mean,

942
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: my opinion, I think that's what is truly going on

943
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: in a big buck's brain. Where can I be for

944
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 3: the longest period of time, get the most amount of sleep,

945
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: relax without being bumped constantly. That, in my opinion, I

946
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: just think that's the spots that they're looking for. I mean,

947
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 3: come on every podcast you always listen to when people

948
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: talk about public land, public land, public land, right, and

949
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: they want to go so much of everything you've thought

950
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: about as a kid when you were younger, was like

951
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: how much further can I go over the next guy? Right?

952
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: Like how much further back can I go? Because someone

953
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: to get away from that traffic, and generally speaking, you're

954
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 3: rewarded for doing that because the animals just aren't being bothered.

955
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Some of the best, easiest punts are going into spots

956
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: where there is the least amount of pressure period. So

957
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 3: I think find those unpressured areas, and you're going to

958
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 3: put yourself most likely in an opportunity to find where

959
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: a big mature deer is hung up and is living.

960
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: And we'll also put you in a position. But they

961
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: have a chance to harvest them if you can get

962
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: in and get out. There are those spots, Mark, and

963
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: you and I both know it, where you're gonna find

964
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: a big mature bucks sign down in the bottoms, right,

965
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: I mean we've all been there, anybody who has spent

966
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: any time hunting. When you start hunting hilly country, you

967
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: get down in those bottoms and you're like, man, look

968
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: at this. We found a horizontal rub and I mean

969
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 3: look at the sign down here, and it's just tore

970
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: up and here's a bed. But whoo, trying to get

971
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 3: down in those spots and actually hunting them, it's not

972
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: not not good. It's not gonna happen. Maybe in the rut,

973
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: maybe get lucky, maybe the winds is right perfect, but

974
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: not often.

975
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so speaking of these kinds of spots that

976
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: these big old bucks gravitate towards and as you mentioned,

977
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense to remember

978
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: to keep it simple sometimes and just think like where

979
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: can they go and feel safe and comfortable. You know

980
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: one thing that I seem to hear consistently, and I

981
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: think I've seen this to a degree, is that once

982
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: those as those bucks get older and older, many of

983
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: them tend to become more and more of a homebody.

984
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: They tend to have a shrinking core area. Maybe at

985
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: least that's something I've seen a little bit and heard

986
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: of quite a bit, especially from folks that just have

987
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: a lot more mature bucks around. Have you seen that?

988
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: Is that true?

989
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: And because of that in your experience, have you found

990
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: with those like five year old plus bucks, are they

991
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: easier to pattern because of that or because of the

992
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: behavior traits that become harder.

993
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: If it gets easier, I have a lot more five

994
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: and a half year old Bucks on my wall, that's

995
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: for sure. So so it definitely it can't get easier

996
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: because I'd have I'd have a lot more bigger Bucks

997
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: on my wall. I can tell you that for sure.

998
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: But I but I think of listen, I definitely agree

999
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 3: with you, for sure. I believe their ranges definitely get smaller.

1000
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: I think there's something about being the top dog that

1001
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 3: allows them the luxury of being able to And we've

1002
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: seen this. We've all seen this bow hunting before, or

1003
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 3: whatever type of hunting you do, we've all seen Let's

1004
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: say you are hunting a food plot, right, and it's

1005
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: almost like the tone let me let me switch this

1006
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: up because my brain sometimes got eighty D and I'm

1007
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: jumping around. It's almost like you're in the conference room, right,

1008
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: four or five guys, You're all sitting around there talking

1009
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: and man, now the boss steps into the now all

1010
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, bam, the boss comes walking

1011
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: in the conference room. Donnarn is the tone of the

1012
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: room just change? Am I right? Or am I wrong? Right?

1013
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: It's different on hunt go hunt a food plot. You're

1014
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 3: sitting there right. Let's say it's late season, right, it's cold,

1015
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: you're in, You're in, You're in your box blind whatever, right,

1016
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: doze are out? The young bucks are out, dude. It's

1017
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: almost like the tone changes when that mature buck comes

1018
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: out with the other bucks in the field. You know,

1019
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: or even you know that first cold front that comes

1020
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: in in October. We're all waiting for that first cold front, right,

1021
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 3: because they can be super duper successful. And if there's

1022
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: something about it when you get those young deer bucks

1023
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: out there and you're sitting there hunting, and all of

1024
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, you almost can you almost can if you're

1025
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 3: watching the tone of the deer and you're reading the deer,

1026
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: you can almost see their behaviors starting to changing. Maybe

1027
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 3: they're starting to kind of getting away from the spot,

1028
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: their ears are getting in back, maybe they're getting little edgy,

1029
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, those bigger bucks come out

1030
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: Like the big guys definitely carry some weight to them,

1031
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: which I think the older they get allows them the

1032
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: ability to not have to travel as far because, you

1033
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: know what, they kind of know who their girls are.

1034
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: They kind of know who they're gonna breed man when

1035
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: they're out checking those scrapes at night and they're they

1036
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: know they are. I completely believed Listen. I'm not a biologist,

1037
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: but I completely believe one that they know what dough

1038
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: is going to come in first. They do know who

1039
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: she is. They do generally know where she is living,

1040
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 3: and they generally are able to because of the old guys,

1041
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: and you know that they generally get to be able

1042
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: to hold that dominance in an area, and I think

1043
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: they can get away with traveling less. They don't have

1044
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: to be running. It's almost like the big buck that

1045
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: the coyle standing on top of the hill looking down

1046
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: at all the coles and the young buck wants to

1047
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: run down there, or the young con wants to run

1048
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: down there and say, you know, let's get one, and

1049
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: then the old bull says no, let's just walk down

1050
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: and get them. All right, Like at the end of

1051
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 3: the day, those big guys they've got their spot. They

1052
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: know specifically which ones are going to come in. I

1053
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: do think they travel less. And I'll tell you a

1054
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 3: really cool story. This is. This is a cool story

1055
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: if anyone ever watched the Sweetness story that we put

1056
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: on bow hunting dot com years ago. I mean, I

1057
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: chased that deer and we mentioned it earlier in this

1058
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: That was an eight and a half year old deer

1059
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty inch buck. The deer was shot

1060
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 3: and wounded when he was four and a half years

1061
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: old by my friend. He's gonna kill me right now

1062
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: for doing this, but he shot him. It was a

1063
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: high shot. It happens, guys. If we're bowhunters, come on man,

1064
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: anybody who bow hunts, you know, things happen. There's a difference.

1065
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: We always say the same thing. There's the difference between

1066
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 3: doing the right thing ethically and having stuff go wrong

1067
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: versus doing the wrong thing. And and and then you

1068
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: got to live with that, do the right thing, and

1069
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: you never have that. You can always sleep, you know,

1070
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: good at night. But you know, it was a high shot.

1071
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: Sweetness was fine. The deer lived on. I can't tell

1072
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: you the strategies that we put in place to try

1073
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: to kill that deer, right, and and it kind of

1074
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: had its pad. It just seemed to like leave our property,

1075
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 3: hit another property. Some other guys had the deer named

1076
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: a different name than well, we had it named, you know,

1077
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: and I'm sure three other properties they all everyone had

1078
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: their own name for this deer. Right. And would you

1079
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: believe it? Four years later, my friend who originally shot

1080
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: Sweetness ends up harvesting Sweetness in the same stand four

1081
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: years later. So, I mean, isn't it cool? I mean

1082
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: it is wild, right, Like all this work, all this effort,

1083
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: all these different locations, and to think four years later

1084
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: he'd be harvested this unbelievable two hundred and twenty inch

1085
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: deer would be harvested from the same stand that it

1086
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: was wounded in. Right like, so maybe if you spook

1087
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: a big buck out of his bed, after four years,

1088
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: it will forget about it will come back to that bed,

1089
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: right like you knows what the ultimate who knows what

1090
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: the right. It may take a little bit of time

1091
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: until you sleep back in that bed again. But the

1092
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: point being, you know, per this, you know call what

1093
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: we're talking about right now. Mature bucks one hundred percent

1094
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: have those good key spots that they love, and you

1095
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: gotta pay attention. You gotta look for them. You know,

1096
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: it's not just aimlessly walking through the woods. You gotta

1097
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: look at your maps. You gotta look at for the sign.

1098
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: You know. No, you're not gonna get down and smell

1099
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: the bed or do stupid stuff like you're gonna look

1100
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: at the bed. You're gonna look at the size of

1101
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: the bed and then and then maybe you're gonna come

1102
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: back and check it, you know, a year later. Some

1103
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: of the best times, honestly to find these big beds,

1104
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, and where we think these big guys are

1105
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: are are living is really that early season. When I

1106
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: say early season, I really like kind of that March

1107
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: April time frame when you can really get out there

1108
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: and really look around and really see what you have there.

1109
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: But to answer your question, yes, I do believe as

1110
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: deer get older, they gravitate to their favorite spots. They

1111
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: don't travel as far for a couple of different reasons. One,

1112
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: I think they've learned over the years where the good

1113
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: food is, where the good water sources are, where the

1114
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: girls are that they're gonna need at the time when

1115
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: the rut comes along. And I think they just, through

1116
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: time learn where those best spots are. And I really

1117
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: do believe they don't travel as far. Now, again, guys,

1118
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: you can analyze this all day long, and if you

1119
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: live in an area where food sources are low and

1120
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: they have to travel farther, or you're in a big drought,

1121
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a ten thousand variables that we could

1122
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: go through right now. But generally speaking, I think is

1123
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: deer age. I really do believe that that area that

1124
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: they're they're monitoring just get smaller.

1125
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: So let's let's uh, I want to kind of get

1126
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: your take on a few other different I don't know,

1127
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: if there's a personality, maybe tendencies, maybe that you've seen

1128
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: with these older bucks as far as behavior, and and

1129
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: I know a lot of this. One of the things

1130
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: you hear a lot about when people start, you know,

1131
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: getting to know a mature buck is they'll say, well,

1132
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: there's this personality trailer. This buck has got a unique personality.

1133
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: So I think there's going to be a lot of

1134
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: unique things depending on the deer. But I am curious

1135
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: whether or not you've seen any consistencies of any kind.

1136
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: Let's say, well, let's start first with like with how

1137
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: a really mature buck uses the wind. Have you found

1138
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: any consistency with those oldest bucks you've hunted, Man, they

1139
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: they always like to bet with the wind in a

1140
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: certain way, like at their back or is that not

1141
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: the case? Have you always seen that? Man?

1142
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: They like me?

1143
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: You hear some people talk that, man, mature bucks really

1144
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: want to move with the wind in their face or

1145
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: quartering or crossed. And then you hear other people saying, nah,

1146
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: that the rock of the tail wind. You know, anything

1147
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: on the wind side. Have you seen anything that stands

1148
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: out as a nugget of a tendency that's worth keeping

1149
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: in the back of your mind when it comes to

1150
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: these five year olds, these six year olds whatever.

1151
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 3: I think one of the hardest things that I've had

1152
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: to learn, because anyone that knows me, dude, I'm hyper, right, Like,

1153
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: I'm a hyper guy. I mean, I just I can't help.

1154
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm just a shaker. I'm a mover. I just you know,

1155
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: I talk with my hands. I mean, I just I'm

1156
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: a mover. And I think one thing and I'm excluding.

1157
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm excluding the rut right now when I get ready

1158
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: to say this guy's okay. But one thing's for certain.

1159
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: When you see big legitimate bucks man, and I'm talking

1160
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 3: good mature bucks, they are slow movers. They take the time,

1161
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: did they did? They're methodical. You just you can just

1162
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: see that ever so slight, little you know, little lift

1163
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: of that little lift of that head man just taking

1164
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: in that little extra you know, scent coming across their nose. Man.

1165
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: You really see big bucks. They you know, they're not

1166
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: just oh, there's the playground, let's go, you know, like that.

1167
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: They just take their time. Now again, I'm excluding the rut.

1168
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: On a hot trail with a hot dough, obviously that's

1169
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 3: completely different. But even when a big buck finally is

1170
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: going to tend to a dough and he's decided that

1171
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: she's gonna come in the heat. That's the dough. That's

1172
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: the one I'm breeding. They, through vocalization, you know, are

1173
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: able to like get that dough to kind of stay put.

1174
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean, every once in a while they take off

1175
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 3: a generally speaking man when they just want things to

1176
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: be calm. They have a way of doing that right.

1177
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 3: And I have seen so many big Bucks they just

1178
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 3: take their time. My point with me being kind of

1179
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: a hyper shaky guy and trying to use this as

1180
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: a tactic to be smart. You know, for me, the

1181
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 3: tree stand is my yoga session. The tree stand is

1182
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: the one time when I can, you know, you can

1183
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 3: kind of like just get in there, snuggle in, be

1184
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: smart and and and and try not to move right like,

1185
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: because I'm telling you those big Bucks they're not just

1186
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 3: using their nose. They're using their eyes too, and and

1187
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: and when they start walking and they decide that they're

1188
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: going to move from point A to point B and

1189
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: they're gonna actually go do something, they're using everything they

1190
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: got right their nose, their ears, their eyes, they're using

1191
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 3: it at all. They're looking out for predators. And I'm

1192
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: telling you, part of their strategic way of living longer

1193
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: and getting bigger too, is they just move methodically and

1194
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: they move a little slower, and man, you just see them.

1195
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: You just see them stop right like you can see

1196
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: them like they just if they get out of their bed.

1197
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes they just stand there for like forever, and you know,

1198
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: and then they just they're so methodical about Okay, which

1199
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: way am I gonna kind of pull out of here today?

1200
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: And then they come down the tray a little bit,

1201
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: and then they'll just stop and they'll just they'll literally

1202
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: stand there for minutes. Some of the biggest bucks I've seen,

1203
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 3: they'll just they'll just stand there and they'll just kind

1204
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: of just smell and they'll just So the problem is

1205
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: you might have you might be hunting to killer ridgeline, right,

1206
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: you might be hunting something really good. And if you're

1207
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: standing up and you know, talking to your buddies, or

1208
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, if they're filming you, or you're just you know,

1209
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: moving a little too much in those stands, sometimes those

1210
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 3: deer are just seeing you and you're never seeing you're

1211
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 3: never even seeing them, right, They've already they WHOA what

1212
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: was that? And and they just total away. How many

1213
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: times have you spooked a big buck. Right you're in

1214
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 3: the stand, you see them coming, and do they Mark,

1215
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,959
Speaker 3: do They usually go bolting out of there and running away,

1216
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 3: the big.

1217
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: Guys sneaking on out turntail quickly and they're just scooting out.

1218
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 3: They just do they just did, you know? They don't

1219
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: They don't need to make him listen, Spooking a buck

1220
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: out of bed is one thing, because they aren't blowing yeah,

1221
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: totally right, This isn't This isn't the big Nanny Doe

1222
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: going like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna blow here for

1223
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: the next fifteen I mean, they just usually like, man,

1224
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 3: if they get the scent to something, wron, they just man.

1225
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think they can just walk in reverse. You know.

1226
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, how will you just go? You know,

1227
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 3: It's it's like that Bart Simpson's one of my favorite

1228
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: little icons where he's like just kind of like kind

1229
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 3: of just sneaks exactly.

1230
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly. You know, you.

1231
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: Know what, Mark, you don't beat me to this. I'm

1232
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,479
Speaker 3: gonna take that meme and I'm gonna have a buck

1233
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: just disappearing back in the books Hunting Seasons coming great,

1234
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: don't you take that one? I'm gonna go I'm gonna

1235
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 3: go make that one of course, but you know what

1236
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I mean, that's exactly what I just think.

1237
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, they're methodical. They're slow, and again they're not

1238
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: being methodical because they're like, oh, man, Todd's out here today.

1239
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: I saw his truck pull in, or you know, or

1240
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: the neighbor. They're just this is what they do, right,

1241
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: Like they they don't want to get eaten for lunch.

1242
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: They don't want coyotes chasing them, they don't want you know,

1243
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: they just they're just methodical. They're just they those bigger guys,

1244
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: they're just they take their time. They've been in the

1245
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: woods a lot longer than the other deer. They just

1246
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 3: know what they need to do to survive and and

1247
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: to not be chased as much and and and not

1248
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: be killed. Right, so, man, you watch them. They're slow,

1249
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: So don't be moving around a lot in your stands.

1250
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so, so what's the hunting takeaway from that?

1251
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, one thing, don't be making them, you know,

1252
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: don't do anything crazy up in the tree and let

1253
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: them see you. But if they're given that they're so

1254
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: slow and methodical, is one of the hunting takeaways like man.

1255
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: Because of that, that's another really strong reason for why

1256
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: you should try to be as close to their bedding

1257
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: year as possible, because they're just not going to travel

1258
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: seven hundred yards or whatever to go down the ridge

1259
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: all the way. You gotta be close to their bedroom.

1260
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: Is that it or what is it? In your mind?

1261
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's always a good question mark. You want to

1262
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: tip as many things in your favor as possible. We

1263
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: know for a fact that big mature bucks generally are

1264
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: just not okay I'm excluding the rut, but generally speaking

1265
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: or just not out running around all day long. Okay,

1266
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean I live in areas where big bucks live.

1267
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 3: I haven't fact, I haven't seen a monster buck this

1268
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: year yet. I'm excluding the hunting season obviously in January,

1269
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 3: but I have not seen a big buck, legitimate shooter

1270
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: buck on their feet during day time. I think a Kurt,

1271
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 3: you know Kurt, you know a guy on our team.

1272
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 3: You know Kurt. You know he's killed a lot of deer.

1273
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: You know, he does a lot of management on farms

1274
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And I mean even he's out

1275
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: in the daily you know, and he doesn't even see

1276
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: that many big bucks during the day and moving around,

1277
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: so you want to get as close as you can

1278
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: number one without blowing out the areas. Number two, you

1279
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: always have to be, you know, playing the win that

1280
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 3: we've talked about. But at the end of the day,

1281
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: you know, they just don't move a lot, so you

1282
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 3: want to make sure you're putting yourself in the best

1283
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 3: position for when they do make those moves before they

1284
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 3: come out to those bigger fields and at night and

1285
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 3: eat and so forth, that you have the best chance

1286
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 3: at getting them. You're not going to have that happen

1287
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: if you're just going to go to some big bean

1288
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 3: plot on an evening hunt. Right. Like, again, there's always luck,

1289
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 3: but when it comes to those big mature guys, you

1290
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 3: better you'd better be close to where they're betting, and

1291
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: you have to be able to get in there without

1292
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: you know, busting them out and having them know that

1293
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: you're there.

1294
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of the fact that those big old guys

1295
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: don't get up and move very far, very often, that

1296
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 2: brings to mind another thing that hunters love to debate

1297
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: and question, which is trying to predict the conditions that

1298
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: might get a big old buck like that on his

1299
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 2: feet a little bit earlier or moving just a little

1300
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: bit further. So there's all sorts of you know, popular

1301
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: apps these days of predicted deer movement, and there's all

1302
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: sorts of theories about the moon and the wind and

1303
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: the barometer and the temperature and humidity and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1304
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: Is there anything from all those different factors that you

1305
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: think does have the greatest influence on a mature, mature buck, Like,

1306
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: is it, man, that barometer really does pressure really does

1307
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: get a big old buck on his fear. Is there

1308
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: anything like that in your mind that stands out that

1309
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: is unique to getting those special deer out and moving

1310
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more?

1311
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I do. I know there's the moon, guys

1312
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: that really, really really foul the moon years ago. I

1313
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 3: used to you know, foul the moon and kind of

1314
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 3: kind of stop fouling the moon as much. But there

1315
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 3: is no doubt when it comes to barometric pressure. Pressure

1316
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: is a biggie. I mean, I don't care. You watch

1317
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 3: pressure enough, and you know, it's funny because so many

1318
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: people stop watching the pressure since the hunting season's over, right,

1319
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: But pay attention to the pressure even when the hunting

1320
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: season is not going on. You know those days where

1321
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: you're just like, dang, I really have seen a lot

1322
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 3: of deer today, take the time to, you know, remember

1323
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: to go look at so many people forget about looking

1324
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,879
Speaker 3: at that once the hunting season's over, right, So pressure

1325
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 3: is a big one for sure. I mean there is

1326
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 3: no doubt after running you know, our web series Bowhunter

1327
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: Die for as many years as we have, I can

1328
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: almost guarantee if me and Justin are talking about when

1329
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 3: we think the first couple of deer kills are going

1330
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 3: to come in. Generally that first high pressure system that

1331
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 3: comes in in the beginning when you can hunt deer. Obviously,

1332
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 3: you know when your season starts, that first one. If

1333
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 3: you can get catch that first high pressure system, that's

1334
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 3: almost always always always a good one. But I do

1335
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: watch the pressure quite a bit. I do have some

1336
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: of my best hunting daring high pressure. But Mark, that

1337
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I'm not going to go hunt, you

1338
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 3: know a day where maybe the pressure is not as good.

1339
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone's lives are different, everyone's work schedules are different.

1340
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: Everyone has different times that they can hunt and how

1341
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 3: much they can hunt. But for the average guy who

1342
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 3: has some control over their schedule, that can save some vacations,

1343
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 3: that can bank some vacation days. I think if you

1344
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 3: can be lucky enough to time a high pressure hunt

1345
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 3: with when you're going versus just aimlessly going into spots

1346
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: when you shouldn't be going into some of your better spots,

1347
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: is going to make a difference. And generally speaking, on

1348
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 3: those high pressure situations, it does seem like those bigger

1349
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 3: mature bucks do get out of their beds a little

1350
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 3: bit earlier and people can say, well, geez, I hunted

1351
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: high pressure, but I just didn't see the mature deer. Well,

1352
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, let's be realistic, how

1353
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: many big mature deer are in your area? Number one right,

1354
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: and he just doesn't have one spot that he goes to.

1355
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: So just because I'm having bag luck this day, I

1356
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: could be literally texting you, who could be completely on

1357
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 3: the other side of the fire, and you're like, dude,

1358
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 3: you were right. Today was the day. You know, you know,

1359
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 3: there's let's be honest, there's only so many these four

1360
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: and a half five and have six year old deer

1361
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 3: and they just don't do the same thing. Every single day.

1362
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 3: I hit Starbucks, I go to the Walmart, I go

1363
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: to the office, Like Okay, like you know, that's just

1364
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: not how it works. You know. They just they have

1365
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 3: other spots, their appetite might be desiring something different. They

1366
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 3: just might go to a different area. So just because

1367
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm hunting this high pressure day and

1368
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing any activity, doesn't you may have just

1369
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: chose the dang wrong spot too, you know, And that

1370
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 3: can completely happen, right Like, sometimes you just got to

1371
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: have all those all those things line up, and there's

1372
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: just not enough really legitimately big bucks for everything that

1373
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 3: line up perfectly for all of us all the time.

1374
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: So I do like the pressure my absolute man. I

1375
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: we all only get so many opportunities at shooting a

1376
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 3: quality deer each year, right, Like, I mean you can

1377
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: pretty much guarantee like every season, you know, what is it,

1378
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: maybe three, you know, maybe four, I mean, like not many,

1379
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 3: and you know, and you're just hoping.

1380
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: And that's for those of us that have a lot

1381
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: of time to do it on.

1382
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 3: Your hundred percent for you know, it can be very

1383
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: different for everybody else. But let's just say you get

1384
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: three legitimate chances, right, you know, so you got to

1385
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: be you know, you got to make sure you're on

1386
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 3: your eight game in your prepaid because you start messing

1387
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: those up, like you can't get time back right, and

1388
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: the season, you know, it starts off and it just

1389
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 3: kind of gets going. And the next the point that

1390
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make here is if it's if it's

1391
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: not barometer or barometric pressure, right, that the next thing

1392
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: that I really, really, really, man, I love those those

1393
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 3: those pre rut those pre rut days are just I

1394
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 3: would take the pre rut over the rut any day

1395
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: of any day of the week. You know, I would

1396
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 3: much rat even though you can't see as far because

1397
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 3: there's more foliage. You know, corn still love blah blah blah.

1398
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 3: That pre rut you can pretty much count on. They

1399
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: just they know it, man, They just got it in

1400
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 3: their body. They know they know what's coming. It's built

1401
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: into their everything that a deer does, like they have

1402
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: to breathe. It's just it's the way it works. And

1403
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: that pre rut, they start getting up, they get up

1404
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier, they start checking those scrapes, they

1405
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 3: start checking those line and man, I loved I love

1406
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 3: that pre rut time that that for hair in Illinois.

1407
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes that twenty second. I'd killed some of my best

1408
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: deer between the twenty second and the twenty eighth of

1409
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: October compared to November first through the seventh. Hands down.

1410
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: If I went back, I wish I would have done

1411
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 3: a better job, you know, keeping track of the stuff,

1412
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, as I was younger. But there is no

1413
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 3: doubt I would take the twenty second to the thirty

1414
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 3: first over the first through the seventh, any day of

1415
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 3: the week or eighth anytime. I just pluster calmer too.

1416
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna ask, you know, when you think

1417
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: if you could pick any you know, week during the

1418
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: hunting season to kill a buck like this, if there's

1419
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: like a six year older after or something, and you

1420
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: had to pick one week, would it be that last

1421
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 2: week of October? Sounds like maybe that's the case.

1422
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I really try my hardest every year not

1423
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 3: to screw that last week up. I mean, like, you know,

1424
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 3: being sick, I may still be the guy wearing masks.

1425
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: You you know, I do don't want to miss those days,

1426
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1427
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: I love that. You know that that last ten days

1428
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 3: of October. I love that last ten days of October.

1429
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 3: I just I just I really, really really those are

1430
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 3: my fa I will take those days anytime over the run.

1431
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean the ruts

1432
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 3: fun and you can see chasing, and you can see

1433
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 3: him further away, and you know, and you can and

1434
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 3: I've still killed there during those times. And it's not like, oh,

1435
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: October thirty for halloweens here, I'm done. I'm hanging up

1436
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 3: the boat. No, of course, not no, sure, no, I

1437
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: mean it's been plenty years. I haven't even had a

1438
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: tag notched by then, you know. But but there's no

1439
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 3: doubt when it comes to filming mature bucks, getting close

1440
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 3: in on them. Man, that is the time to do it.

1441
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: I just, I just I love that window. That's a

1442
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: great window of time. I mean, especially if you haven't

1443
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: been fortunate enough to locate that big buck. Right, Like,

1444
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 3: let's just forget about everything that we've been talking about,

1445
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of okay, Todd, you know what,

1446
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 3: I hun a small piece of property or mark. I

1447
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: don't have an opportunity to hunt a lot of land.

1448
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 3: Let me, let's face it, just because you even got

1449
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 3: two hundred acres doesn't mean doesn't mean that the big

1450
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 3: guy is living on you, right, So you still got

1451
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 3: to then figure out, Okay, you know, if when time

1452
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: comes and he's gonna and I want to kill that

1453
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 3: mature buck, where is the highest likelihood spot that he's

1454
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: gonna be on my place, whether that's ten acres, five acres,

1455
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: forty acres, or a thousand acres. Right, You're always trying

1456
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 3: to find those spots where those mature bucks generally like

1457
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: to travel, you know, so you got to keep that

1458
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: in mind too. But I I I do love that

1459
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: end of that end of October mark for sure.

1460
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're coming in.

1461
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 3: Also, let's change this up when you kind.

1462
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 2: Of come home, let's go. I need to get there soon.

1463
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: I know.

1464
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 3: Well, the man, let's go. I just gave it to you,

1465
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: So let's go. Let's do it.

1466
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: Be careful what you ask for, Todd, I might be

1467
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: kno going to the door this fall.

1468
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: Let's go, man. I I told Justin I'm all about

1469
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: doing new and different things. You know, my boys in

1470
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 3: college now and trying to mix things up and do

1471
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 3: different things. And uh, and it's fun. It's always fun

1472
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 3: to meet new people, hear different edies, do different things,

1473
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts like this, Like that's what makes it fun, right, like, Hey,

1474
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 3: there's gonna be plenty of people take little nuggets of

1475
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 3: this podcast and they're going to hopefully gonna be able

1476
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 3: to implement it to their style and what they're doing,

1477
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: and hopefully it helps them bag their first big buck, right, Like,

1478
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,480
Speaker 3: that's that's what it's all about. It's all about experiences,

1479
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: and it's like everything in life. You know, if you

1480
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 3: get a couple of good nuggets from everything you do

1481
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: in life, I mean that's and you and you keep

1482
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 3: and you hold those that usually end up panning, you know,

1483
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: paying out for sure.

1484
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's a perfect segue todd to the final

1485
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: question I want to run by you, which was if

1486
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: there's any particular big old buck from your past that

1487
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 2: gave you one of those nuggets, one of those lessons

1488
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: learned that stands out more than any other. If if

1489
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: you were to think back over all of the years,

1490
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: over all those biggest oldest ghosts that haunted you, maybe

1491
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: you got him, maybe you didn't get them, does one

1492
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 2: of them stand out as having taught you the most

1493
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: important lesson or taught to you the most that has

1494
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: impacted your hunting still to this day. What would that lesson?

1495
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: What would that buck be, and what would that lesson be.

1496
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna that's a great question. It's a very very

1497
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: very good question, and I already have the answer. It's

1498
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 3: stay put if you've done your homework. I think of Longhorn,

1499
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: that buck. He pisses me off to this day. I'm

1500
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. I mean, I'll just even just drive

1501
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 3: cellular my stealth cams, you know, cellular trail cameras. I

1502
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: had one on. Remember I was describing that knob with

1503
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: that rock cropping. There literally was a spot over here

1504
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 3: and then they're literally on the other side of the

1505
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 3: valley was another spot where he came out. I'm telling you, like,

1506
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 3: I know this is a podcast, and I know you're

1507
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 3: watching me, and I'm literally like messing with my hand.

1508
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 3: I'm like squeezing my head right now, like that stupid buck.

1509
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 3: I mean that that was such a cool buck. I'm

1510
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: gonna get your photo of him. Yeah, Longhorn was this

1511
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: amazing buck and son of a gun dude. I'm telling you,

1512
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 3: I had pictures of him like crazy and videos. I'm

1513
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: like crazy, I finally finally had an opportunity at him,

1514
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 3: and I mean, stay put. Your question specifically was what

1515
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 3: did you learn from the biggest bucks. Longhorn kept coming

1516
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 3: out on these two spots, and and and I was

1517
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 3: an idiot, and I would try to like squeak in

1518
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: and move a stand. And if I would have just

1519
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 3: stayed put in those two spots, dude, I would go

1520
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 3: to the one spot and I'd be sitting there shoot,

1521
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: and he'd be at the other spot, you know, And

1522
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: then and then I'd go to that spot, and then

1523
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 3: he'd be And it was a joke, man. I mean

1524
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 3: a couple of my buddies, you know, literally who also

1525
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: super good, good friends of mindy, really good people where

1526
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 3: where you know are are are not able to hunt

1527
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 3: as much as I am. And so they're always watching

1528
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 3: the cameras right and literally they would be like, you

1529
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 3: screwed up. He's over there, you know. I'm like, oh

1530
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: my dude, I had to like I had to turn

1531
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: the phone off. I couldn't even watch that crap anymore

1532
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: because I'd be sitting there and it's like, oh, well,

1533
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: there is there he is, you know. And he would

1534
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 3: any any any and never never would he go from

1535
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 3: this spot during the during the hunt and come all

1536
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: the way over to the spot. It was just too far.

1537
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 3: It was to it was it was. I mean, as

1538
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 3: far as the crow flies, it was that big of

1539
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: a deal. But in terms of like the terrain going

1540
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 3: all the way down, crossing the ag field, coming all

1541
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 3: the way up to the other spot, it just wasn't

1542
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And and I honestly, I should have just

1543
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: stopped going from A to B to A to B

1544
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: and then trying to stick in the C and the D.

1545
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 3: I should have just been like, now you know what,

1546
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm hunting B. I'm just staying at B. I know

1547
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna come here. I know this is one of

1548
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: the scrapes that he frequently checks. I'm just going to

1549
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 3: stay here. And if I would have done that, I

1550
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 3: probably would have had a second chance. And I did

1551
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 3: finally end up getting a chance at Longhorn, and I

1552
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: literally had him at I don't know, five yards and

1553
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: I just did not have an ethical shot and there's

1554
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 3: just no way. And heck, I was going to take that,

1555
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 3: take that chance. So you know, I so so. And

1556
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: then and then the last final thing, let's just talk

1557
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 3: about and let's just talk about sweetness for two seconds,

1558
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 3: right four years later, what did we talk about earlier

1559
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: in this show, he ends up being shot right right

1560
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 3: out of the same darn spot. Sorry, Mark, I'm trying

1561
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: to put my laptop in here, same spot four years later.

1562
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: So dude, good spots are good spots, right, and we

1563
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 3: keep trying to add more spots. But man, when you

1564
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 3: get a good one sometimes, I've learned from Big Bucks, Dude,

1565
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 3: hold the line, and it's so easy to get carried.

1566
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: It's so easy to want to do what go to

1567
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 3: and do spot? I mean, Mark, we hang all these stands.

1568
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: How many stands you got hung right now?

1569
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, not as many because I'm mostly saddle hunt now.

1570
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of prep trees ready for saddles

1571
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: and a lot of locations.

1572
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Hey listen, I haven't killed a deer with

1573
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: the sald yet. I'm all in this year. I really

1574
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 3: do want to shoot a deer with a saddle, for sure.

1575
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 3: It's fun, it's new, it's different, it's exciting, right, It's

1576
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 3: just it's it's just it's something different. And but not

1577
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: that I'm dissing saddle hunting or tree stand hunting, right, Like,

1578
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 3: the saddle almost is like adds a whole nother mind,

1579
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: like a whole nother mind boggling dimension to it now,

1580
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 3: because now I'm walking around going like, Okay, I got

1581
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: a tree stand hung there, I could saddle hunt there,

1582
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 3: and I can saddle hunt there. Now. It's like my

1583
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 3: inventory of spots has gone up, you know, but I.

1584
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: Can go too far. Sometimes it can go too far.

1585
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: Sometimes. The point is that we're trying to make with

1586
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 3: this last and final question. When you find a big

1587
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 3: buck and you know that he has been frequently coming

1588
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: to an area, clearly that can change. Like listen, right now,

1589
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 3: apples are falling, and you know you'd go stick a

1590
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 3: trail camera underneath an apple tree, and right now apples

1591
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 3: are kind of hot, and it's a fun way to

1592
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 3: get some inventorysm deer. Yes, that's going to probably change.

1593
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 3: But generally speaking, this whole podcast has been about mature

1594
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 3: deer where they like to live, and when you find

1595
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 3: and when you believe you have one of those spots

1596
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 3: and you get your stand or you get your saddle position,

1597
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 3: hold the line and hang in there. That that would

1598
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: be my personal you know, recommendation period. Yeah, sweetness, I

1599
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 3: had strong, strong advice. Ton I had ten probably stands

1600
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 3: for sweetness. I probably should have just kept going back

1601
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 3: to the ladder stand that my friend shot for years ago,

1602
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: and I would add a chance at a you know,

1603
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 3: and longhorn. I should have just kept sticking with the spot.

1604
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 3: But hue in nature is you know, you want to

1605
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 3: shake and move, you want to do different things. You

1606
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 3: start letting your brain get in the way in terms

1607
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 3: of like, oh gosh, does the deer think that he's

1608
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: onto me here? So again, the best lesson I could

1609
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 3: say when it comes to that last question you asked, specifically,

1610
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 3: what have we learned from hunting big mature bucks. When

1611
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 3: you find a good spot that they like the frequent,

1612
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 3: make that saddle or tree stand bulletproof. From how you

1613
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 3: get in, how you get out. Make sure you understand

1614
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 3: the wind on multiple different conditions. There when it's not right,

1615
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: don't hunt it, leave it alone, pay attention to the

1616
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 3: bear the pressure, and I can pretty much guarantee that

1617
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: you will be tipping the odds in your favor of

1618
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 3: shooting that big buck this fall.

1619
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Man, it's a perfect boat to put on top of

1620
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: the whole conversation. Tod, that's perfect. Thank you for that.

1621
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: So let's let's end it with this. Can you give

1622
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: folks a quick rundown of where they can connect with

1623
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: you guys, where they can see all the bowhunting dot

1624
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: Com content. Is there anything in particular they should be

1625
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: keeping an eye out this year for anything like that.

1626
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 2: Please let us know.

1627
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, thanks for that. I appreciate it. For those

1628
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 3: of you that follow us, I mean, you know I

1629
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: I websites and have been in my blood forever. I

1630
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 3: mean I started literally like in nineteen ninety six. I'm

1631
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 3: gonna end this with a really fun story about and

1632
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 3: I'll save that for the end. But bowhunting dot Com

1633
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 3: is a great resource for a lot of great information.

1634
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 3: Justin and Paul and our team and Brody. We got

1635
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 3: a lot of writers, We got a lot of good

1636
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 3: content on there. Mark, I actually am going to pose

1637
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 3: a question to you right now that puts you in

1638
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 3: a position where you just can't say no. That's why

1639
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: I'm saving this too as well. We do a really

1640
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: cool thing with age, the age this buck, and I

1641
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 3: would love it if you, guys, if I sent you

1642
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: about twelve different bucks that we're going to be yeah aging,

1643
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 3: if you could give us your opinion on the age

1644
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 3: of these bucks, and of course you know it will

1645
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 3: be from Mark Kenyon what he thinks the age of

1646
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 3: those deer ours. We love to have to be a

1647
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: part of that. So if you want to have fun, guys,

1648
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 3: go to bowhunting dot com. We've got some sweep steaks,

1649
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of good content and we can

1650
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 3: answer a lot of your questions with our bow Hunt

1651
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: one or one section. As far as YouTube goes, guys,

1652
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 3: you can pull up our channel, which is you know,

1653
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 3: bow hunting dot com. We've got a series that has

1654
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 3: been called Bowhunter Die. You've never heard of it. Check

1655
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 3: it out for those of the people that haven't been

1656
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 3: following along with Bowhunter Die. It's really cool because a

1657
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: lot of our teammates are just like probably a lot

1658
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 3: of the audience, right they're not doing this full time

1659
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 3: like we're doing. They are guys who have full time jobs.

1660
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 3: They're working, they're eight up with this stuff. They're and

1661
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: they're trying to do the most with their time and

1662
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: getting out there, and they have found a little knack

1663
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 3: for filming their hunts and they've been on board for years.

1664
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 3: So definitely take a peek at our YouTube series Bowhunter Die.

1665
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: Justin my right hand Man has also started a podcast

1666
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 3: along with the stuff that we do called pinch points.

1667
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 3: So we've got a lot of different content, a lot

1668
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 3: of different things that we're doing to help, you know,

1669
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 3: the average bowhunter get out there and get started and

1670
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 3: have a great time in the woods. Of course, social

1671
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: channels and all that stuff. But last, but not least,

1672
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, one of the questions I always get asked

1673
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 3: a lot is how the heck did you get that

1674
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: domain name bowhunting dot com? And it was probably one

1675
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 3: of my most favorite purchases ever. I literally I think

1676
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: I still owned this date over two thousand hunting related

1677
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 3: domain names, but you name it, I own it. Food

1678
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 3: plots dot com or dear ticks dot com. Yeah, I

1679
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 3: own a lot of them, but this one, specifically, I

1680
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 3: really wanted bow hunting dot com right, it's my favorite

1681
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 3: thing to do.

1682
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 4: And I was looking up the domainium This is literally

1683
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 4: about like nineteen ninety six or seven, and a lady

1684
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 4: in Canada owned it and I called her up and

1685
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 4: I said, Hey, what do I need to do to

1686
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 4: buy this domain niume for me? She's like, jeez, Louise,

1687
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 4: I get so many phone calls to people who want

1688
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 4: to buy this name, and it must be really popular.

1689
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, i'll tell you what. I'll give you

1690
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars for it. And back then like, seriously, guys,

1691
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 3: I was probably living on my credit cards. Like it's

1692
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,759
Speaker 3: probably not the smartest thing, but man, I was buying

1693
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 3: every domain name I could think of. I knew the

1694
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 3: Internet was going to go somewhere one day. And she's

1695
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 3: like two thousand dollars. You got to be kidding me.

1696
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 3: She said, I'll be more unhappy to sell that name

1697
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 3: due and I said, great. You know, so I got

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01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 3: a certified check man, I sent it to her, and finally,

1699
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: once the transaction was done, I said to her, I said, man,

1700
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 3: if you don't mind me asking, you know, why did

1701
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 3: you buy that domain name? Oh, me and my daughters

1702
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 3: love collecting bows for our hair, you know, so we're out,

1703
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 3: you know, bow hunting for bows for our hair.

1704
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 5: And I was like, I mean, I was like, you

1705
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 5: gotta be kidding me, But that is how I am

1706
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 5: getting the domain name bon hunting dot com.

1707
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 3: But Mark, it's been a it's been an absolute pleasure.

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01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: I appreciate, you know, meat eater and all the great

1709
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 3: stuff that you guys do. You guys do a fantastic

1710
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 3: job as well, and I appreciate the fact that you're,

1711
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, willing to have a have me on today

1712
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 3: and talk about this big buck strategy. I will say

1713
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to kill those three and a

1714
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 3: half year olds at the end of this but and

1715
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 3: I might not pass up one of those if it

1716
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 3: comes by. But I do appreciate it for sure.

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01:32:59,320 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 2: You.

1718
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 3: I do appreciate it, and you do a great job.

1719
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 3: And with all getting aside, Mark, love to have you down.

1720
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 3: We got some great spots and if you want to

1721
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 3: come down, have a great time, filmed some videos whatever.

1722
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 3: Love to have you down. The doors open, so just

1723
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 3: you got my cell number, give me a shout, tell

1724
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 3: me when you're coming. Let's get it done.

1725
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, he thank you for that invite and for

1726
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 2: being here to do this and for sharing all your insight.

1727
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: This is as I knew it would be. It's been great,

1728
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 2: it's been fun, and we'll have to make a point

1729
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: to do this again soon.

1730
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Sounds really good. Thanks so much.

1731
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 2: Appreciate it all right, and that is a wrap. Thank

1732
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 2: you for joining me. Appreciate you tuning in. Got to

1733
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 2: just leave you with one last ask. Make sure you're

1734
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,759
Speaker 2: following Wired to Hunt over on Instagram if you want

1735
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: the latest and greatest updates from my hunts, from my fall,

1736
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: from the content we're putting out there. That's where I'm

1737
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: posting a lot of my stories and little snippets from

1738
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: different experiences and different content pieces I'm working on. As

1739
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: I mentioned, I think per week prior. My season's kicking

1740
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,719
Speaker 2: off here in about a week, so I will have

1741
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 2: some deer hunting stories very soon, and I hope you'll

1742
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: follow along there. Over on the Wired Hunt Instagram account,

1743
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: We've also got a newsletter. If you go to the

1744
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 2: meat Eater dot com, it will prompt you to sign

1745
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 2: up for the Wired to Hunt weekly newsletter. Make sure

1746
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: you're signed up there to get our latest content delivered

1747
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 2: right to your inbox as well. So with all that

1748
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: out of the way, I appreciate you listening today, Thanks

1749
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: for being a part of this community. Best of luck

1750
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: out there. If you guys are hunting already, I know

1751
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: a lot of you are. I hope that some of

1752
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: the things you've learned this year from the podcast are

1753
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 2: coming in handy, and I hope if stay Wired to

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01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: Hunt