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Speaker 1: coming up today, The FED and the US Treasury are

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Speaker 1: avoid financial contagion. And China reappointed several top economic officials

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Speaker 1: in a leadership reshuffle on Sunday. Bandia's government oppose this

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Speaker 1: of San Diego. That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia,

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Speaker 1: the business news you need to start your day in

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Speaker 1: just one fifteen minute podcast, available on Apples, Spotify, the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app, and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Curtis and I'm dot Prisoner. Here are the

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Speaker 1: stories we're following today. US regulators racing against the clock

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Speaker 1: to find solutions for the failed Silicon Valley Bank. The

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Speaker 1: FDIC kicked off that auction process. The aim is to

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Speaker 1: as Monday, is Stransury Secretary Janet Yellen on CBS's face

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Speaker 1: the nation. Let me be clear that during the financial crisis,

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Speaker 1: a Stratesury Secretary Janet Yellen heard here on Bloomberg. Separately,

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Speaker 1: We have more from Bloomberg's US Anna Palmer. Our source

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Speaker 1: says the Fed and the Treasury Department are considering an

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Speaker 1: emergency lending program to backstop demands by bank customers to

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Speaker 1: a deeper crisis after SVB Financial Group's failure. The measure,

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Speaker 1: which would come in addition to easing terms for the

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Speaker 1: at seven minutes past the hour along with Doug Kisner. Doug,

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