1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: What's assassinating my John Letton why why why? Sophy? Why 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: did I say that? I don't know? Why would anyone 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: say such a terrible thing? That's what I want to know, Probert. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: I'm simply asked you why you would start like why? 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Nobody knows, Sophie. That's the most important 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: thing is that no one knows why things happen, where 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: they happen, or who they happen too. But this is 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards podcast, bad people tell you all about 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: them and uh, Normally this is a podcast where I 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: read a story about a bad person to somebody who's 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: coming in cold, But today I am the person who 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: is Chili, who was who is coming in frigid frost 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: on my shoulders as I talk to my good buddy Chris, Chris, 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Do are you okay? It is 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: thundering incredibly ominously, which I feel like is a good 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: for the story. Yes, ominous thunder nothing better, turn up 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: your mic pick up, let's get some of that on 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: the line. It's like I can like feel stuff shaking 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a is a is a pretty 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: impressive thunder round. Yeah that's good. Um, How are we? 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: What do we? What do we? What are we? What 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: are we today? What are we talking about? Who are we? 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Where are we? Robert? We were told that after the 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: war the Nazis vanished without a trace, But about Nazis 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: that they went away forever after the war, still dream 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: of a master race. The history books they tell us 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: of their defeat and forty five. But Robert, why did 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: they all come out of the woodwork on the day 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the Nazi died? Okay, I've I've done. I've done my 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: obligatory chumbawompo, and so now I can answer that actual question. 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: That was a good Thanks Chris. I'm gonna have to 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: throw up. I'm gonna have to one but some chumbas 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: later on here, But I'll let that be something that 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: we build to. The funny thing is my favorite version 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: of the song actually isn't the Chumba Womba version. It's 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: the what was it? The Stockholms Women's Anti Fascist Choir 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: did a version of it that rules very good. That 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: does sound nice, Yes, it was, it was. It's very exciting. 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: And the other thing that's exciting is that the answer 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: to that question is that it turns out after the 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: day the Nazi died, the Nazis came out of the 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: woodwork and they all joined the World Anti Communist League. 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: Is there we go? There we go? Yes, these guys, 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: guys a bunch of real freaks and weirdos. Somewhat weirdly 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: for a story that is about a lot of Nazis, 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: were actually not starting in Germany the actual story here. Yeah, well, 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, what are the sort of consistent themes of 48 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: this entire episode? Is stuff happening around the orbit of 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and so the I guess you could 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: technically start the story in Ukraine, but I didn't do that. Instead, 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm starting it in China in the nine and this 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: is a year in which the Soviets are going to 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: create a monster that will haunt them untill the day 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: of the USSR collapses, and that monster is called the 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: KMT or the Chinese the Chinese Nationalist Party. Now, okay, 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: people who know the history of this are going to 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: be like, Chris, have you lost your mind? What do 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: you mean the Soviets created the MT? And the answer 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: is yes, I have lost my mind, but is for 60 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: reasons that are completely unrelated to this. What for reasons 61 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: that are related to the Daily Show. We all agreed 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: to do. Yeah that yeah, and also also this episode. 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: But yes, the Daily Show. Um, I who what a 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: good idea that was. I genuinely I cannot believe I 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: was sober. Well I agreed to that incredible hitty, widely 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: baffling decisions. Yeah, very very happy. We got multiple other 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: people brought on problem, say Brbard and I were not 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: sober when we agree to that. I mean that explains 69 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot. I was sober last in two thousand and nine. 70 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, yeah, that's that's that's a pretty recent so. Okay, 71 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: so we've actually talked about this period all the way 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: back in the world episode by the Chinese Warlord period 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: that I did. Um So the Nationalist Party or the 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: CAMT is by by Chinese standards, even in like they 75 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: are pretty old political formation by Chinese standards. Um, it's 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: founded in night in eight nine by Sunday at Send, 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: but no idea it went back that far. Yeah, well 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. So it's it's there are two 79 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: different dates. You see about it found that there's one 80 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: date where Sunny at Send starts an organization that joins 81 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: another organization. But yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty. It's it's 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: really like the oldest of the sort of continuous like 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: Chinese revolutionary groups that come out of the sort of 84 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: pre overthrow of the Chandannasty era, and you know, it 85 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: does a lot of stuff. They do a bunch of revolutions, 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: but by twenty three they're just a disaster. They're they're 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: a complete mess. They're there organizational mess or political mess. 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Militarily is a mass financially is a mess like this 89 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: is supposed to be like a mass political party. Right, 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to take over all of China. They don't 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: they don't even have a newspaper. It is it is, 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: this is this is China's Democratic Party. Yeah. And the USSR, 93 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: having failed in their attempt to sort of bring revolution 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: to the West via like the Red Army storming through 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, the consequences of which we will get back 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: to in a second. Uh, the os of turns attention 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: East and Sun yet send the Bolsheviks come to an 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: agreement in which the Soviets start sending advisors and weapons 99 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: to arm the KMT and the war against the sort 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: of Chinese warlords and chief among those people as a 101 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: guy named Michale board and actually don't know if it's 102 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: Michael or Michale, probably Kale. If they're Russian, you always 103 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: say my Stuffale, Michale Borden. Who's He's like, that's a 104 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: Russian nash name. He's he's a he's like a yeah, 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Mhm. He's like he's like the Bolsheviks, 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: Bolshevik Like he's a very very old school like guy 107 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: guy guy who left the Bund and joined the Bolsheviks 108 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: in like nineteen three. Yeah, he has this like impeccable 109 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: sort of revolutionary credentials smelled Linen's morning breath like that 110 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: that close. Yeah, yeah, And he's about to make one 111 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: of the worst mistakes the USSR has ever made, which 112 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: is pretty impressive if you look at the history of 113 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: the USR, Yeah, which includes the largest lake in the 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: world that they killed. Yeah, it's it's pretty remarkable. And 115 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: like this one, I probably killed more people than than 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: losing that lake, which is yeah. I look, I'm a 117 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: big believer that like fuck lakes, fuck them all, kill 118 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: every lake. I mean, look, hey, you you two can 119 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: be come. The Soviet Union way wage a protractive people's 120 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: war against lakes exactly this. This is my opinion. When 121 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: the revolution comes, the first thing we need to deal 122 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: with is not the fascists. You know, it's not not 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: not like control of the far right in in Florida 124 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: or wherever. We got a nuke the great Lakes, not 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: the cities. We got a nuke the lakes themselves. That's 126 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to protect a Soviet I know, 127 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, but I need you 128 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: to listen to a song called the Wreck of the 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot, and then tell me those 130 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: lakes don't have some vengeance coming. We're not blowing up 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: the lake. We could, we shouldn't. Your slogan a nuke 132 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: for every lake, a nuke for every lake, Christopher, well, 133 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: for all the great ones his side, Fuck them lakes. 134 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: That is the official stance of cool zone media on 135 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the watching the lakes. Yeah. Absolutely, it would be good 136 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: for everybody. It'll bring in tourism to whatever cities people 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: have on those fucking lakes. It'll be good for people. 138 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: That's just science, that's just mathematics. This has going on 139 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: so long. Please please save us from this Chris So 140 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: speaking speaking speaking of saving people from things so bored 141 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: in with with Sonia send sort of helping approval turns 142 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: to camp to you into like a modern mass political party. 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: With this sort of centralized organization and the centralized political apparatus, 144 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: they get an actual like ideology and as it's going 145 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: to become very important later on in the story, the 146 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: party starts to develop political and ideological discipline um and 147 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: and as part of this effort, the Nationalists send Shankai 148 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Check to the U. S SR to study Soviet military 149 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: and ideological techniques, and when he comes back, they put 150 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: him in charge of a sort of new Soviet style 151 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: military academy from which he is going to build an 152 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: absolutely enormous power based in the army because he's the 153 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: guy who is now training all of the officers. But 154 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the Soviets are like this is fine. They call him 155 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: the Red General like Chika. Check like shakes hands with 156 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: Stalin and everything seems to be going great, except there's 157 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: there's there's one minor problem here. Schenkai Check is not 158 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: a communist. He has not a leftist at all. He's 159 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: like base. Basically, he's a gangster who's like kind of nationalist. Now. 160 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: The other thing that that's that's extremely bad about all 161 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: of this is that sun yet Send dies and shankay 162 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: Check is pretty rapidly able to take control of the 163 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: party now now, And the everything that's happening here is 164 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: it even by the sort of Soviet standards, right, I mean, 165 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: this is this is pre Stalin like fully taking control. 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: So even by Soviet standards, the the news sort of 167 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: came to your organization is incredibly centralized, and the person 168 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: at the top of it has an enormous amount of 169 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: political power. And so you know, Chan takes over the 170 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: party and he also sort of personally commands the loyalty 171 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: of this new generation of officers who've been trained by 172 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: the Soviets, has about of Soviet weapons, and you know 173 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: the result of this is that he now has the 174 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: best army of any Chinese political faction. And what what 175 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: has happened here is that the Soviets have an essence 176 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: like they they've built a party in their own image, right. 177 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: They They've built this party that's designed with this sort 178 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: of like ruthless efficiency and stamping out kind of revolutionaries, 179 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: and they have handed it to a fanatical anti communist 180 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: drug lord who immediately turns around and uses it to 181 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: massacre like the entire Chinese urban working class and the 182 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: first of his white terrors. Now that seems bad for organ, Yeah, 183 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: it's it's not good. My my favorite part, I think 184 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: I told the story and in the last episode. My 185 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: favorite part about this though, is that like, okay, so 186 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: Shankai check is like killing the communist right in the 187 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: communists are like, they go to the Soviet Union, They're like, hey, 188 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: what should we do? And the Soviet Union is like 189 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: they're having some kind of like Trotsky and Stalin are 190 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: having some kind of argument, and the line that comes 191 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: out of them is like, well, you guys have to 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: like stay allied with this party that is murdering you. 193 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: And it's just like yeah, and then they all die. Right, 194 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: he kills something like a million people. Um, okay, so 195 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty serious set rhymes against him and there, Yeah, yeah, 196 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: it's it's really bad and this is this is this 197 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: is this is the Soviets doing great stuff. But you know, okay, 198 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: so Chanka kills kills about a million people trying to 199 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: wipe on the Chinese left. But we can we can 200 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: ask ourselves another question, which is, how did this actually 201 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: go for Shankai Shack in the long term. And this 202 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: is a question that could be answered by answering the 203 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: very simple question, Robert who actually won the Chinese Civil War? 204 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: Was it China technically? So it went well, yeah, went great. Yeah, 205 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: that's that's this is this is this is why Taiwan 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: and China are currently one country run by the Chinese 207 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: national government. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's great. I mean, 208 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: if you listen to America for roughly a generation and 209 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: a half, Taiwan is China and the only Chinese government 210 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: that we need to worry about. Yeah, we we will. 211 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: We will come back to that because that that turns 212 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: out to be a thing in this story. But you know, 213 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: so so Chakai check, like the net effect of Schenkai 214 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: checks like incredibly vehement anti communism is that he creates 215 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: another monster who is going to absolutely destroy him. That 216 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: that that that person, of course being mause a Dung. 217 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: And you know when when you sort of like take 218 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of macro view of this, right, this whole thing 219 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: is a cycle, right, the Bolsheviks are the monster that 220 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: sort of capitalism unleash when they crushed the Paris Commune. 221 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: The Bolsheviks created the modern cam T, and the KMT, 222 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, like slaughters the entire urbans, like Chinese Communist Party, 223 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: and they you know, they unleash another monster by turning 224 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the CCP into the sort of the peasant army that 225 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Mao is going to use to crush the KMT themselves 226 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: after War two. But you know, the problem here, and 227 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: the problem for this story is that Mao didn't actually 228 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: finish off the KMT that you know, they retreat to 229 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Taiwan after losing civil war, and they're able to do 230 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: this because the KMT forces that were occupying Taiwan do 231 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: what they call the February incident. And it's kind of complicated. 232 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: We will one day do a full thing on this, 233 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: but the basics of it is there's an uprising in 234 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Taiwan against the sort of brutality of the camp occupation, 235 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: and the KMT kills something like twenty thou people in 236 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: a week, and this is like, you know, this is 237 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: a genuine horror right there. They're beheading students. Is a 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: lot of people to kill in a week. Yeah, I 239 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: can kill maybe five thousand people in a week. Yeah, 240 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to resources we have here at 241 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Yeah, tops five thousand. I think I 242 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: I think if I think you can do five thousand, 243 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: I think you pull everyone else together, we can get 244 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: a number up to maybe seven. Yeah, we have a 245 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: lot of staff. Now, we do have a lot of staff. 246 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: Now we have a lot of staff. Now, Sophie, can 247 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: we can we get some of the numbers people to 248 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: just to just run that by so we we have 249 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: some options on the table. Okay, thank you, Sophie. Yeah. 250 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: So so that you know that they came to you 251 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: is like they they're like cutting people, like cutting parts 252 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: of people's faces off and like taking it's it's really bad. 253 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: This is like this is this is like this is 254 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: the maas to be like the foundational like crime of 255 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: modern Taiwanese political history. And it's there's like a huge 256 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: portion of like all of the politics that are gonna 257 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: happen in Taiwan from then until like now are in 258 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: large part because of this um and and if you 259 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: read books about Shankai Check, like well the book books 260 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: that are not about Shanka Check, but we're like Shankai 261 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: Check shows up for some reason. Uh, this is like 262 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: the crime that they always talk about and you know, 263 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: it is really bad. But the thing you have to 264 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: understand about Shankai check is that like this is probably 265 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: not even in his top ten war crimes. Like this 266 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: is a man who once killed four hundred thousand civilians 267 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: by blowing up a single damn after the February incident Taiwan, 268 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: and tell like the nineties is under this thing, this 269 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: thing called the white terror, where you know, the government 270 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: disappears a bunch of people, they kill a bunch of people, 271 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: they torture a bunch of people. But the thing is, again, 272 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: this is his second white terror, right man. And you 273 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: know that's something he and I have in common, because 274 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: that's what people call me when I've had a couple too. Man, 275 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: you tell me that much. You know, Actually I feel 276 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: like I feel like I should actually have looked into 277 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: shanke h drug use more because this guy, this guy 278 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: is running a lot of drugs. But you know, but 279 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: the thing about these white terrors, right is it like, Okay, 280 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: the the the the white terror that he does in 281 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Taiwan is like a genu wine horror, right It's it's 282 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: also he kills something like a twenty five of the 283 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: people at the first white terror killed like this guy good, 284 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: So he's moving in the right direction. A couple more 285 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: terrors and he won't be killing anybody at all. Well, 286 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean the thing that the thing that Shank Check 287 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: does and we're gonna see in the story is that 288 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: he stops. Okay, he doesn't stop killing people in Taiwan, 289 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: but like the number of people he kills in Taiwan 290 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: go down over time, the number of skills this is 291 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: sort of wind, but the number people he kills in 292 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: every other country just starts like rapidly increasing as time 293 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: goes on. Yeah, I mean, you got look, you're gonna 294 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: kill the people somewhere, so I feel like still progress. Yeah, 295 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: We're we're only gonna do a a We're gonna do 296 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: a a soft white terror in Taiwan, and we're going 297 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: to do a hard white terror and Guatemala, so you know. 298 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: And and like I think the thing with Check, right 299 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: is the reason she's not remembered as one of the 300 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: sort of like great historic role historical monsters. Like again, 301 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: this is a guy like killing twenty people in a 302 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: week is like Tuesday for Schenkai Check, and like the 303 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: only reason he's not remembered as this sort of like 304 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: monsters that he's overshadowed once again by like the sort 305 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: of the trio quad thing of Mouse, d Alan, Hitler 306 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and Churchill. Yeah, there's a lot of people doing like 307 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: he killed a million people and that's that's pretty good numbers. 308 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: Any other he's probably got like yeah, I mean he's 309 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: probably got a million or four million, yeah, which and 310 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: that's solid. Look, don't get me wrong, solid numbers historically, 311 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're three four million dead, pretty good, 312 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you're doing real good as a war criminal on a 313 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: historic level. But man, first half of the twentieth century, 314 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: that ship doesn't even get you on the board, like 315 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: you're like a like a C Lister. It's the Lebron 316 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: james Is of genocide are out in the streets and 317 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: those and there's there's a lot of them like this. 318 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Fucking Scottie Pippen ass mass murder ain't kind of cut it? 319 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: How was that? Was that? Was that a good basketball 320 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean it depends on who you're asking, but yes, 321 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: thank you, acceptable, but but very subjective. M I approved Scotti. 322 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: Pippen was the only other basketball player I could think of. 323 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I assume he's not as good as Lebron chicks. I 324 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: mean he would say he is. But mm hmmm yeah, 325 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: so with Schenkai Scheck. But sorry, Bro, I mean, look, 326 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the thing with Shanki Scheck is that Shanka Check has 327 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: the ability to shoot you if you don't agree with him. 328 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Scottie Pippen has the ability to sort 329 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: of like mobilize an entire desquad apparatus to make everyone 330 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: think that he's better than Lebron James. No. No. The 331 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: only basketball player who had a solid death squad apparatus was, 332 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: of course, Shock, are we just going to see how 333 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: many basketball players? How was that? Remember? I liked it? 334 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean it also thank you once again? Did work? 335 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Thank you? I recently watched the new Adam Sandler basketball movie, 336 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm very about basketball. What was funny 337 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: about that? Sophie's like every third second in that movie, 338 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: somebody comes on screen, and you I can tell whenever 339 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: they come on that like, oh, that's a famous basketball guy, 340 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to have a reaction to the fact 341 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: that he's in this movie too, But it means nothing 342 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: to me. Every time. Yeah, you didn't have me there 343 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: to be like that's who that is, and you're going, 344 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: I don't care, and then blah blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, 345 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: he's the best touchdown. Go Patriots, you were doing so well. Okay, 346 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: Also that's yeah, I don't ever say that in front 347 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: of Chris. By the way, Chris, I will, I will 348 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: go back to my town on these roots and give 349 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: me the dusk squad over. Yah. I don't know if 350 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: you knew this, Chris, but Chris really fucking hates the Patriots. 351 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Well guess no one's gonna be doing a hole in one. 352 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, We're let's get back to the store. 353 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: So Chickai Check in a lot of ways is he 354 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: is incredibly ahead of his time, you know. So so okay, 355 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: you can took a sort of like the periods of 356 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: anti communism, right, and you know, he has this problem 357 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: that he's working. He's working in a period of anti 358 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: communism in which the Nazis exist, and you know what, 359 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: while while the Nazis are around, the Nazis just sort 360 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: of like the top dog of anti communism. Although Chicki 361 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Check was allied with the Nazis and like his son 362 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: was in the wine that was in the vine Mark 363 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: and he almost led like a He almost led like 364 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: not a division, but he almost led like troops into Poland. 365 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: The only reason he didn't was that he got pulled 366 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: back to Taiwan to like fight off the Japanese. Yeah, 367 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: but you know, I mean this is one of those 368 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: one of the areas of Nazi history that people don't 369 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: get enough, which is that like, while Nazis are pretty 370 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: much tied directly into like white supremacist ship today, the 371 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: o G Nazis were extremely willing to work with people 372 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: who who were of from a variety of different like 373 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: ethnic groups and including fight with them. There was an 374 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: Indian in Pakistani military unit in the s s because again, 375 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: racism changes over time like everything else and innovates. Yeah, 376 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like that I talked about this before, but like, yeah, 377 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: there were there were Nazi military advisors, like leading Chinese 378 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: troops in the Battle of Shanghai, and it's it's very weird. Um, 379 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: but you know, Chikai check like he loses this war, 380 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: but but he really has the prototype for the sort 381 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: of second phase of anti communism, which is that if 382 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: you look at the k MT right, he it has 383 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: an incredibly centralized party, ideological party, apparatus. It has a 384 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: bunch of desk squads um, and it's funding itself as 385 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: an anti communistic treadorship via the drug trade. So he 386 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: he is doing he is like forty years ahead of 387 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: everyone who is doing anti communism. And so what two 388 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: of two of the two journalists whose book I'm going 389 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: to be using for a lot of this, uh gotten 390 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: John Lee Anderson, their true journalists who grew up in 391 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Taiwan Uto the military educatorship, And they called this model 392 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: of anti communist party the death squad party for reasons 393 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: that we will see shortly. And yeah, they're they're, they're 394 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: they're they're going to be spending a lot of time 395 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: exporting this to other places. Now, what sort of interesting 396 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: is that Shankay Shaik was like hated by like every 397 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: American officer who had to interact with him to World 398 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: War Two, which like yeah, yeah, no no ship Like, yeah, 399 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: me too, buddy. I also hate this guy, but I'm 400 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: admittedly biased because his government tried to publicly execute one 401 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: of my great uncles. Okay, well what was your great 402 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: uncle doing though? How was he dressed? He was dressed 403 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: pretty well. Here, that's a long story. There's a long 404 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: story about what exactly happened there, but and he eventually did. 405 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: He did in fact survive. However, I'm still holding it 406 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: against him for trying to publicly execute him. Yeah. But 407 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: but you know it's weird. So what while the civil 408 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: war is going on and will wear to everyone hates him, 409 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: but the moment he loses the civil war, he becomes 410 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: the US celebri what's called the China Lobby in the 411 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: US where these like hardline anti communists whose thinks that 412 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: they want to like help Shenkai check in. He's just 413 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: incredible delusion that one day he's gonna like invade China 414 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: again and retake the homeland like and like he like 415 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: the government in Taiwan. It made my mom, who was 416 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: like five, singing songs about how they were going to 417 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: reclaim them other land one day. It was just good. Yeah, 418 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: this place is like like it is a just sort 419 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: of incredibly neurotic, like sort of totelitarian military candorship. Yeah, 420 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: I feel I mean, first off, squad goals. Um. But yeah, 421 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: that that that that sounds like it could be a 422 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: problem to live under. Yeah, but you know, and of course, 423 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: like the people who backed and of course are the 424 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: best and brightest of the people in American politics. You 425 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: have h Douglas MacArthur. Oh, yeah, one right, this is 426 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: this is fresh after he attempted to start a nuclear 427 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: war in order to distract from the fact that he 428 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: had completely fucked the war in Korea. Yep, uh uh, 429 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: there's a There's another another very famous person you probably know, 430 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Joseph McCarthy, better known for other works. Yeah, oh, god, 431 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, Joe McCarthy, slick Joe, known for great guy, 432 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: nothing bad. Yeah, great, and and and so so that 433 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: the KMT and their American allies started like looking for 434 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: other sort of like fanatical anti communists, like a listed 435 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: their cause, and this search eventually leads them to the 436 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: formation of the Bold Anti Communist League. Um. One of 437 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the people who they find is Perk junk Key, who 438 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: is the build Well okay, he's the second military dictator 439 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: of South Korea. And I keep saying we're gonna do 440 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: an episode about him one day, and I promise will. 441 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: But there's there's so much wild ass, especially in this 442 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: period Korean history, that people, yeah this guy states don't 443 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: know funk all about. It's really good, real good ship. 444 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: This guy like this is a guy who so he 445 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: fought for Japanese in World War Two and okay, so 446 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: like there are a lot of Japanese people who who 447 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: were forced to like conscripted into fighting the Japanese army. Yeah, 448 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: that's the way Perk Chunky is not one of those guys. 449 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: He fought for the Japanese Empire because he loved like 450 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: from from pure ideology. He was like, you look at 451 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: the Japanese Empire. I was like, oh, should I love this? 452 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: And you know, like he is, he's incredibly fascists, like 453 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: this is the guy who knows Suka Kishi talked to 454 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: you after the war and was like, whoa buddy, you 455 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: gotta tone the fascism shipped down a little bit, like 456 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's wild and and you know, but like 457 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: like just okay, utterly inexplicably, this is this is the 458 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: second like second Communist decision in this episode that I'm 459 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: just like, what are you guys doing? They the Communist 460 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: let him join the Communist Party, and this is just 461 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: baffling to me, Like here is a dude who literally 462 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: fought for the Japanese on purpose, and you know, the 463 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: Communy Party looks at him I was like, what should 464 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: we do with him? Boss? I know, let's let him 465 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: in the party. And so he like immediately gets arrested 466 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: and just instantly like the fastest ratting I've ever seen 467 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: in my entire life, just like rats on his comrades 468 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: to the government, which like like okay, so I I 469 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: am in principle against snitching. I also like really don't 470 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: understand what the communists were expecting. What's gonna happen here? 471 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: Like you you brought in a guy who fought for 472 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: the Japanese army on purpose. Of course he was instantly 473 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: going to betray you, like really baffling stuff. Yeah, I 474 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: mean the Korean communists, but so in he cused the 475 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: governments and he's the guy who like really fully brings 476 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: Korea on board. But this whole sort of like well 477 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: anti Communist league thing. He starts sending like generals and 478 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: like k c I a guys to the league. Um. 479 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: The movies are also a big part of this. I'm 480 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: not gonna talk about that here because I have a lot. Yeah, 481 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: go listen to a lot and then make your own 482 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: electronically fired blunderbuss um. Yeah, that's that's the official stance 483 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: of this show. I look, I just they deserve it. 484 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: So the other BEJA group that that's involved in the 485 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: creation of the World Anti Communist League is called the 486 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Anti Bullshwit Block of Nations. To the a b N 487 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: and the a BIEN are a bunch of people who 488 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: they're united by like two things. One is that they 489 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: really hate the Soviets. The second thing the united by 490 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: is that they did the Holocaust. So yeah, the the 491 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a b N was was founded by a guy named 492 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: Yaroslav Stetsko, who I think if if you've been like 493 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: looking into Ukrainian history in the last like you know here, 494 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: you probably you might know who this guy is. He's 495 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the guy who was chosen by Stepan Bandera to be 496 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: the second in command of a bay formed organization of 497 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: Ukrainian nationalists and that didn't wind up going anywhere. Oh 498 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: yeah no it look it completely stalled out. They never 499 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: ended up fighting. Are fine, everything's great, look like they 500 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: they did not end up fighting for the Nazis in 501 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Operation Barbarossa. Uh he Stetzico does not walk into the 502 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: city of Levolve along side a bunch of guys in 503 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: the fine mark Um and immediately start doing the Holocaust. Uh, 504 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: none of this ever happens. Uh, they didn't kill seven 505 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: thousand people in like I think, I think a week 506 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: most most of you were honestly compared to kaishek numbers. 507 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: That's that's rookie. Yeah, well, I mean it's weird because like, okay, so, 508 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: like in any other group of people, like this guy is, 509 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: you know, a world historical monster. He's kind of on 510 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: the B team in terms of like the people in 511 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: this episode, maybe the C team. So the thing that 512 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: he does is so he gets into low Off and 513 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: he immediately declares like a new independent like Ukrainian state 514 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: with him as a leader. And I'm just gonna read 515 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: from the speech that he gave when he's declaring this 516 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: independent Ukrainian state, the Ukrainian State will corrupt, will closely 517 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: cooperate with Great National Socialist Germany, which under the leadership 518 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler, will create a new order in Europe 519 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: and throughout the world. The Ukrainian Army will fight together 520 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: with the Allied German Army for the new order in 521 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: the world. Well, it didn't quite happen, um, So that's yeah, 522 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: but I mean, well, yeah, it doesn't. Never choos into 523 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: one of the Nazis. Lose two was that he instantly 524 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: gets arrested because the Nazis were like, hey, you guys 525 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: didn't tell us that you were going to declare an 526 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: independent state. Like what do you know? We don't We 527 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: don't want there to be a Ukraine. Yeah, and this 528 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: is something we're in agreement with the Russians about, Actually 529 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: we don't want this country to exist. Yeah, and and 530 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, so, so you just start in prison. Assico 531 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: like does like after after the war, he will claim 532 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: that like he was put in a concentration camp and 533 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: the Nazis like persecuted him and like this is kind 534 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: of true, but like okay, so the thing, the thing 535 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: that they put him under is called quote honorary arrest, 536 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: and he's like he's in like the nice prison and 537 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: they let him out like a few times, like during 538 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: this while is going on, so we can coordinate more stuff, 539 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: and they let him out just like entirely because the 540 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: war is going so badly, they were like, screwt, let's 541 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: throw the Ukrainians at the at the Russians. And he 542 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: and Bendera formed this thing called the the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, 543 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: which fights the Red me and they also do some 544 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: like incredibly half ass fighting of the Nazis, which was 545 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: like largely as best I could tell, this largely seems 546 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: to be so they could like say that we fought 547 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: the Nazis. Um I'm gonna'm gonna read a passage here 548 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: from the book Transnational Anti Communism in the Cold War 549 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: about what happened next at the end of ninety three 550 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: in the forest of Oh God, I don't know how 551 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: to pronounce this, Joe Timir Gasalia, the west part of 552 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: the Western part of Ukraine, these same Ukrainian nationalists held 553 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: the first clandestine Congress of the Anti Bolshevik Block of 554 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Nations the a b N, creating at the same time 555 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian National Army the u p A. The u 556 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: p A then took part in attacks on the retreating 557 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Fine Mark while at the same time harassing the Red Army, 558 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: the Communist Partisans and Jewish citizens due to their suspected 559 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Communist sympathies. The up A, consisting of around seventy thousand guerillas, 560 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: were joined by fragments of the s s Is Ukraine, Belarusian, 561 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: Russian and Cozak battalions, as well as Hungarian, Romanian, Soviet, 562 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: Baltic and Georgian deserters. Now the author is being like 563 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: a bit you kind the u p A here the 564 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: main reason that they are quote hurt that they quote 565 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: harassed Jewous citizens because like an enormous number of these 566 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: are just people are just like fanatical anti Semites. But 567 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: this is the birth of the anti bullshet block of nations. UM. 568 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: And again like let's go this. This is a guy 569 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: who fought for the Nazis. He probably has the lowest 570 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: body counts of the next like four groups I'm going 571 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: to talk about. UM. Also in the anti Bullshevik block 572 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: of nations something called the Croatian Liberation Movements UM. The 573 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: Creation Liberation Movement was led by a guy named Stefan 574 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Heffer who formed it alongside Anti Pavlovic, who is the 575 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: founder of the Eustacia. Now the Sasha are a. There 576 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: there a creation fascist organization that fought alongside the Nazis, 577 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: and we're giving control of a new sort of Creatian 578 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: fascist puppet state with Anton Pavlovic as as its leader. UM. 579 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: Here here's from the Holocaust Museum about what happened next 580 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: at a concentration camp called judosovic I did learn how 581 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: to pronounce it and then immediately forgot. There's a lot 582 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: of concentration camps. Yeah, well this is this is the 583 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: third largest camp in Europe. Um. So between this is 584 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: the yeah, this is from the holocaustmus album. Between its 585 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: establishment in nineteen forty one and it's evacuation in April, 586 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: n Croad authorities a bird hundreds of thousands of people 587 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: at Josephec. Among the victims were between forty five thousand 588 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: and fifty two thousand Serbian residents of the so called 589 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: Independent State of Croatia, between twelve thousand and twenty thousand Jews, 590 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: between fifteen thousand and twenty thousand Roma, between five thousand 591 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: and twelve thousand ethnic Croats and Muslims who are political 592 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: opponents of the regime. The Croad authorities murdered between three 593 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand and three hundred and forty thousand 594 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: Ethnics Serb residents of Croatian Bosnia. During the period of 595 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: Eustachia rule, more than thirty thousand Croatian Jews were killed 596 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: either in Croatia or at Auschwitz. And to put this 597 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: into perspective, that is over seventy of like all Croatian 598 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: Jews who are killed by the Usasia during the Holocaust. 599 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: And the thing about this camp is that, like unlike 600 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the concentration camps in Europe, they don't 601 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: have gas chambers. They are they are doing all of 602 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: these killings by hand. And it's not just that they're 603 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: doing this by hands. Um, I'm gonna read this a 604 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: thing from the truth, I mean, yeah, yeah. The late 605 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: josh Alamani, who served as h as presidents of the 606 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: Belgrade Jewish community, described Josephic as barbaric, saying that the 607 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: murders were predominantly carried out manually. Very seldom did they 608 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: use bullets, he said, because they believe the victims didn't 609 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: merit it. Al Mooney described some of the Eustace's methods, 610 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: which included cutting the eyes out of their victims and 611 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: slitting their throats, throwing life prisoners into brick fursts, and 612 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: poisoning children. And you know, you've talked a lot about 613 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: on this show about how the Nazis, like, we're trying 614 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: to execute use by firing squad and they couldn't psychologically 615 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: handle it. And that's you know, that's why they with 616 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: the gas chambers, the Eustachi can do this, Yeah, like 617 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: then they keep doing for the entire war. Yeah, the 618 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: there's I mean, one of the many stories about the 619 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: Holocaust hasn't told enough is that like the actual German 620 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: uh ss were not nearly the most brutal war criminals 621 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: on the Nazi side, Um, the Eustache fucking nightmare people. 622 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: And there's like if you look at what's happening in 623 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: the fucking Balkans during this period, if I'm like, what's 624 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: going down and what becomes Serbia and Bosnia and how 625 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: the genocides are being conducted there by Nazi allies, Like 626 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: it's a lot of the same thing, which is like 627 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just strangle people, will just cut their 628 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: heads off by the thousands, Like we don't need waste 629 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: bullets on their ship, We don't need gas chambers. Like 630 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: the the very as is often the case in wars, 631 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: like the nastiest fucking ship happens in these these places 632 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: like the Balkans and chunks of Eastern Europe that um, 633 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: and with soldiers from those areas, where like there's there's 634 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: already when the war hits kind of a heightened level 635 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: of acceptance of violence just because of ship in the 636 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: recent past, and like the the most nightmare stories come 637 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: from a lot of those those places kind of on 638 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the fringes of the Nazi power. Yeah, and like like 639 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: these like the Saal like gets to the the point where 640 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: like the there there there there is they're like their 641 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: instances were like the Nazis dis banned their units because 642 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: they're like what they're doing. They're like hey, guys, like, yeah, 643 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: you're a bit well, I mean there's a thing a 644 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: number of things because like again it's bad for morale, 645 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: like Nazis. Nazis are complaining about what some of these 646 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: units are doing. Yeah, this isn't what soldiers do, right. 647 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: Um is the attitude some folks have, like it's it's 648 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: it's a mess um. Yeah. And so Stephan HiFER who 649 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: who she's going to become an important world anti communist 650 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: leader and a member of the sort of event it's 651 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: good block of nations because he seems like a good guy. 652 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: He was the governor general of Barana County when in 653 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: the new Nazi Croatian State and uh Anton Pavo Vick. 654 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: He was again the founder of the Eustachi is the 655 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: founder one of the founders of the Croatian Liberation Movement, 656 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: which is the Croatian representative at the a b N. 657 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: It's great, um have careers, great Robert, is it products 658 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: and services? Let me tell you confusingly, we are sponsored 659 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: by the Eustachi UM. A lot of people will say 660 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: why are you sponsored by the Eustachi And I'll say 661 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: you should check out their promo code. Are we doing, Sophie, 662 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: no words, I've got nothing not not happy about that. 663 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: Well that just that happened. Here's ads uh, yes, all right. 664 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, the Romanian delegation of of the a b 665 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: N is a bunch of people from the Iron Guard, 666 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: who is a Romanian fascist organization that did this in 667 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: a fascion s up raising in n A mob of 668 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: several hundred attack the Sephardic Temple, American correspondent lay White 669 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: reported at the time, smashing its windows with stones and 670 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: battering down its doors with lengths of timber. All objects 671 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: of ritual prayer books, shaws, talmoods, Torah's altar, benches and 672 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: tapestries were carried outside and piled into a heap which 673 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: is soaked in gasoline. Instet of fire. A number of 674 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: Jewish pedestrians were herded together and forced to dance in 675 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: a circle around the bonfire. When they dropped an exhaustion, 676 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: they were doused and gasoline and burned alive. And I 677 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: cut the description off. It gets way worse after that, Like, yeah, 678 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: if if doused in gasoline and burned alive is like 679 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: that before we really put our foot on the gas. 680 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: It gets like they are All I will say about 681 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: that is they are incredibly they are incredibly specific. And 682 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: how they use their anti Semitism to kill people, it's like, 683 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: it's it's stuff you couldn't It's stuff you couldn't write 684 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: a solutione serial killer doing. Because yeah, and and this 685 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: is this is uh, this is the Romanian delegation to 686 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: the a b N. Belarus's delegation. Delegation is called the 687 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: Belarusan Liberation Movements. Its representative as a guy named Dmitri Kasmovich, 688 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: who was appointed by the Nazis as the chief of 689 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: police of Smallnesk, where he exterminated using communists. Yeah, and 690 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: he also joined an S S commando unit to fight 691 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: the Soviets and was eventually smuggled out of a refugee 692 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: camp by British intelligence and worked for the American Army. 693 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: It's great, and and yeah he hels. So he founded 694 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: this entire thing as a way to spy on the 695 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: Soviets for the US. And at this point we should 696 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: mention that like this entire like just literal group of 697 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: people who did the Holocaust is funded by both the 698 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: US and the UK. UM. The a b N is 699 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: like all over American politics, like they successfully lobby the 700 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: U s they're doing into doing this thing that like 701 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure by the time this comes out, Biden 702 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: will have also done his version of it, which is 703 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: called a Captive Nation Week, which is like all presidents 704 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: still do this to this day. It's supposed to be 705 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: this thing that like honors nations held captive by authoritarian governments. 706 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: That's nice, it's the it's the it's the political equivalent 707 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: of the like slapping a drowning handmade there you go, 708 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: ords Well, and I also like I really want to 709 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 1: like just take a moment to appreciate that the United 710 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: States government, which is a state that literally holds hundreds 711 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: of indigenous nations captive and occupies their land, declares cast 712 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: in suations weak, that sends six hundreds and it doesn't 713 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: sound like the America I learned about in Texas. Yeah no, 714 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: and again like they do this become because some dip 715 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: ships from the Eustachi told them seventy years ago. Well, 716 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad that our honor of captive nations is the 717 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,479 Speaker 1: honor of the captive nations of racists in particular. That's good, 718 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's all. It's also fun because if you 719 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: look at the declarations of this the only states that 720 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: are like ever mentioned our states that can be like 721 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: sohow vaguely tied to communism, So like you know, they'll 722 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: talk about like we need to these guys had a 723 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: horror on for Rhodesia. Oh yeah yeah, and even Biden. 724 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: Biden released like his statement last year it talks about 725 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: like it talks about like Nick Argua talks about like Cuba. 726 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: It literally no mention whatsoever of Saudi Arabia, which again 727 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: in in my lifetime has invaded what at least two, 728 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: possibly three countries on top of Saudi Arabia. That that 729 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like the country that Joe Biden would fist bump. 730 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: Come on, so did the a b N starts working? 731 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden fists bumping a Neustaschi militant. That's that's good. 732 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: Reagan got pretty close, like did get close? Like Reagan 733 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: did get close? Um, I don't know. Biden is a 734 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: fifty fifty on that ship. The only thing he's consistently 735 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: good on is hating the British, which I respect. So 736 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: the A b N starts talking with Shankai Shack through 737 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of contacts, and they helped train taiwan secret police, 738 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: and they also helped set up Radio Free Asia, which 739 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: is incredibly fun. Um. Now, no contact between the A 740 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: B and the Taiwanese government leads to a nineteen sixty 741 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: six beating of check checks Asian People's Anti Communist League 742 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: and South South Korea with representatives sort of the whole 743 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: global anti comunist when it comes together to do something 744 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: and a hundred and seventy representatives some sixty nations show up, 745 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: and what's it? Just think about this first, like, what's it? 746 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: The interesting thing here is this isn't all fascists. The 747 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: very first meeting where they're trying to figure out who, 748 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: what is going to happen? She's gonna be in this? 749 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: There's like there were like social democrats. You show up 750 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: to this there are like regular conservatives and all of 751 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: these people immediately get run out. Um there's there's this 752 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: group called the Assembly of Captive European Nations who like 753 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: they're not like great people, but they also like didn't 754 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: literally well actually can't verify they didn't literally do the Holocaust, 755 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: but they are they aren't literally the leaders of the 756 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: EUSTASHI and they try to become like not not literally 757 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: running a group so bad that the SS was occasionally alike, guys, yeah, 758 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: like my need to pump them breaks the bar for 759 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: anti communism is like like the bar of like how 760 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: bad you have to be for the anti communists not 761 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: to accept you is like really really really low, and 762 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: like these people keep tripping over it, and you know, 763 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: and these guys are like you know there they cannot 764 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough that the dudes we're talking about are 765 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: quite literally people that like Heinrich Himler would read reports 766 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: about what they were doing and need to have a 767 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: stiff drink. Yeah, like it's and and these guys, you know, 768 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: so so the the sort of moderates try to become 769 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: the delegations of me in Europe and the a bi 770 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: N just like runs them out because the a BN 771 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: is already like tight with the time when he's in 772 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: the time when he's are you know, one of the 773 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: major sort of power blocks here. And the result of 774 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: this is that you know, from the formative meeting of 775 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: the word Anti Communist League, this is just going to 776 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: be a fascist organization. And you know, okay, so we've 777 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: now met two of the three sort of main power 778 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: blocks in the WAL Anti Communist League. Right, there's the 779 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: there's the East Asian blocks centered on Taiwan and South Korea, 780 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 1: and they also they have support from like South Vietnam 781 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: and like Singapore and the Philippines. But yeah, and the 782 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: core they're sort of type one in South Korea. There's 783 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: there's the a b N Fascist in Europe who are 784 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: again the USACE in the Iron Guard and like their people. 785 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: And now it's time to meet Group number three. This 786 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: is the Latin American Anti Communist Confederation or cal um 787 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: CAL is originally a frind group for a group called 788 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: Los Tecos who are a fascist death squad from the 789 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexican fascist. Oh yeah, well these 790 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: guys are great, guy. So so the modern iteration of 791 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: Techos was founded by a guy named Carlos Quaestra Gallardo, 792 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: who was a Mexican Nazi who was doing something in 793 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: Berlin ju O War two. We don't know what. There 794 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: are various rumors, some of them including him like being 795 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: part of the of the group who like decides in 796 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: the final solution, like we don't know. There's there's rumors 797 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: use Hitler secretary, Like it's very unclear she's doing something. 798 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: He's you know, woe Hitler. How hiring people from all backgrounds. Yeah, yeah, 799 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: well look if these guys stand and integration focused, king, yeah, 800 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: all you have to do is be like so unfathomably 801 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: anti Semitic that like even the other anti Semites eventually 802 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: are like, you guys are too much. You can't say 803 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: this out loud, like and and so so he survives 804 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: the war and he goes back to Mexico to help 805 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: help establish this like network of like fascist Mexican priests 806 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,959 Speaker 1: who hide people from like the Iron Guard and other 807 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: like fascist collaborators. And these guys are like they're like, yeah, yeah, 808 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: there's like the Liberation theology priests and then there's they 809 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: start killing very quick. Yeah, yeah, and these guys are 810 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: like they're convinced that the u N as a Jewish conspiracy. 811 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: They're like they raved constantly about Marxist, the Zionist and 812 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: the Freemasons. And they also think that Vatican too, with 813 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: the Church tax, like a bit to the left is 814 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: a good enough reason to just literally start killing Catholic priests, 815 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: even though again all of these people Catholics a bit 816 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: to the left. All they did was changed the fucking 817 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: liturgy to be in English not Laden. Yeah, it was 818 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: like this is this is all these people just go 819 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: like there's an entire group like this. There's a lot 820 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: of like Francoists who like sort of go eight like 821 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: it's just like yeah, just one of my favorite things 822 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: about Catholicism is when you get like these Vatican too 823 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: conspiracies where the Church is literally like, well, our religions 824 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: dying because nobody understands what the funk is going on 825 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: in these in these uh in services and stuff. Perhaps 826 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: we could slightly modernize it so that people understand what's 827 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: being said. These guys think the pope is Jewish. They 828 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: literally think this it is classic Jewish person, the Pope. Yeah, 829 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's this whole thing. And so the Tachos 830 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: are like, they're a des squad, right, they kill people students, Um, 831 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: And the league comes to them and are like, hey, 832 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: you guys are at the Simas. You guys are squads, Like, 833 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: go find other anti comunist squads in Latin American and 834 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: recruittims and we can talk to them. And they do, 835 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: like these guys are literally their football talent scouts. But 836 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: for death squads, well that's good. I mean, look, you 837 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: know how I feel about death squads, Chris Um. If 838 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: you're not getting the good to like, somewhere out there 839 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: is the Lebron James of killing a lot of people 840 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: and pushing their bodies into a crudely dug pit, and 841 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: if you don't find him, you know another death squad 842 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: is going to get him. And then you're not going 843 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: to win the Sophie, what is the basketball Award for 844 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: good at basketball? M Yeah, you're not gonna win the 845 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: m v P. So yeah, look you got it. Well, 846 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: the the every thing against this is very important, right, 847 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: it's so proud of himself. You don't so cool. Thank you, Sophie. 848 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: It's about time you took an interest in one of 849 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: my hobbies. I'm learning. It's real Heisman Trophy Day for 850 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: the death squad people. Okay, I'm gonna turn this to 851 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: a baseball metaphor, which is that, Okay, so the everything 852 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: is happening here, right, is that you have you have 853 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: to build up your roster, right, and you have to 854 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: you have to have to build up. You have to 855 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: build up your sort of like your your minor league system. 856 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: You have to do this that you can train other squads. 857 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: And these guys are about to become the fucking nineties 858 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: Mariners of building up death squads. They have they have 859 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: a bullpin so deep they can fucking like they can. 860 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: They can kick out literal Hall of Fame power hitters 861 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: because they don't need more hitting. They have so many 862 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: death squads. And there's the wade Bogs of death squads 863 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: in this period, by which I mean, who is drinking 864 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: seventy beers on a flight from I don't know Stockholm 865 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: to spelensk Oh What is this guy named Joemo? God? 866 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy, hilariously kind 867 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: of isn't gonna come up. And there there's a lot 868 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: of people who did a lot of assassinations, Who are 869 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: in the who are in the league, who we're not 870 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about because they're like just d listers. Yes, yes, 871 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: there's so many. So the thing about the c L 872 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: is that they they're very quietly one of the most 873 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: important organizations in the history of the Latin American Cold War, 874 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: and almost nobody's ever heard of them. But one of 875 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,760 Speaker 1: the things that they do is in so these meetings, 876 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: right you get up on a DOES squad showing up 877 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: to it, and you get a bunch of countries like 878 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: sending their intelligence services to these meetings to go like 879 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: talk about with other countries until right wing anti commuist 880 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: intelligence services. And in one of these meetings in nineteen 881 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: seventy three, the dictatorships of Brazil and Paraguay agreed to 882 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: exchange information and sort of like coordinate security measures to 883 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: the c i L. Now Paraguay at this point is 884 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: ruled by Alfredo Strassner, who is one of the world 885 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: anti communistly biggest supporters in the man like this guy 886 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: like personally hosts several world anti communist legue conferences. Um. 887 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: He also like he sold eight year olds into sex slavery. 888 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: Um he like the worst thing that he does is 889 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: he does this genocide against the business at shape population. Um, 890 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to read from the Washington Post neteen seventies seven. 891 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: And by the way, when when I read this thing, 892 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: you have to understand this. This is from nineteen. There 893 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: were like twenty more years of the genocide that are 894 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 1: gonna happen after this quote of the chap population living 895 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: in Paraguay since in nineteen have since disappeared. Wow. Yeah, 896 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: that's pretty bad. Yeah. And you know where did they go? Well, okay, 897 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: they got raped, tortured and murdered by settlers who are 898 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: doing a genocide and to take their land. There were 899 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: like there are these a Chay hunters whose job is 900 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: literally to go out and kidnap a Cha people and 901 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: like force them to live on these like reservations quote 902 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: unquote on their farms. Like they're doing slave raids or 903 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: selling children. They're forcing people stop. Yes, no whatever does 904 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: like this, This goes on. This goes on for the 905 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: like the entire thirty years of like the Straws and 906 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: entertatorship and no, no, not seventy three. Strawson starts coordinating 907 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: his police depression with the Brazilian dtatorship to the CLUM. 908 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: The next year, the CLS Coordinating Council meets Rio Decian 909 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: narrow Um. The Coordinating Council, there's representatives as representatives from Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, 910 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: l Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Paraguay, Uruguay, and also has a 911 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: bunch of Cuban exiles. Um okay, so you know what 912 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: what what are they doing there? Um? This is from 913 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: the book Predatory states. The purpose of the meeting was 914 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: to receive information and to exchange experiences because starting communists 915 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: and pro communists in order to adapt methods that could 916 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: be applied throughout the continent. It was important because one 917 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: of the main resolutions sought to establish system to exchange 918 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: confidential information among member nations. Now, people who know you're 919 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: sort of like Cold War Latin American history are starting 920 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: to perk up right now, because if you studied like 921 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,839 Speaker 1: this stuff, that list sounds really familiar and it should be. Uh, 922 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: there's a couple of allies stone into the list, but 923 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: that is the those are the countries that are involved 924 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: in Operation Condor, and that meeting of of the Waranti 925 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: Communist League's Latin American affiliate. The c L was one 926 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: of the first steps towards setting up the Condoor system. 927 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: The next year, there there's like a I guess you 928 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: called a more official meeting, but there's a meeting of 929 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: intelligence services UM from Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and 930 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: Uruguay to sort of expand cooperation further. And you know 931 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: this turns into Condor. So all right, what what what 932 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: is Operation condor? Um? The last two quotes that I 933 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,280 Speaker 1: sort of pulled are from this book called called Predatory States, 934 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: Operation Condor and Covert War in Latin America. It's it's 935 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: a very good book. I reck when people read it. 936 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: Um it was. It was written by a Long Island 937 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: University political science professor named j. Purtise McSherry. And I'm 938 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like use the intro that she uses to this, 939 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: which is describing what happened to a guy named Martin Almada, 940 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,919 Speaker 1: who's the guy who rises to forward to the book 941 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: just to like to give you a sense of like 942 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: what this act stuff actually looks like. In Martin Almada 943 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: was dragged out of his house in Paraguay in the 944 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: middle of the night by our friend Alfredo Strassner, after 945 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: which she was tortured for thirty days for quote intellectual 946 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: terrorism and intellectual terrorism. Well, so they bring him in 947 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out what he did, right, 948 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: And the only thing this guy did was he was 949 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: like a leader in a teachers union and he was 950 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: like using the teaching methods of public fieri. And so 951 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,439 Speaker 1: for this they art for him. They forced his wife 952 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: to listen to his screams over the phone for ten days, 953 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: and then they told her that he had been killed, 954 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: at which point his wife dies from a heart attack. 955 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, story, yeah at all. And the everthing is 956 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: interesting about Okay, so in some sense, right, like this 957 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: is just this is a thing that military dictatorships do. 958 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: But those wacky military dictatorships all okay, yeah yeah, but 959 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: but you know, like normally, when you get kidnaped by 960 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: a dictatorship, right, there's a bunch of soldiers and like 961 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: spooks from your country, right when this guy always been 962 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: my experience when I've been kidnapped by a military dictatorship. Yeah, 963 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: it's it's one. It's one, you know, it's the kadership 964 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 1: in one country. But but when when this guy gets kidnapped. 965 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,879 Speaker 1: There's military attaches from Argentina, from Brazil, from Bolivia, from Chile, 966 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: and from Uruguay. And eventually Amantic gets released from prison 967 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: after like this giant hunger strike and the huge and 968 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: emazz international Campaig and he starts trying to figure out 969 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,359 Speaker 1: what the funk happened to him, And it turns out 970 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,720 Speaker 1: that Martin Amat and his wife have become very early 971 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: victims of Operation Condor. Oh they're ground trailblazers. Yeah. And 972 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: do you know who else were victims of Operation Condor? 973 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: No won the products and services that support this podcast? 974 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,280 Speaker 1: Exactly zero of those that they almost that's who supports 975 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: our podcast. Man if if only the if only they 976 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: used actually had been the target of Operation Condor, we 977 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,320 Speaker 1: would all live in a better world. No no, But 978 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 1: instead they're they're they're big into the podcast game. And uh, 979 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, there are major backers of the Island where 980 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: we'll let you hunt children for for for sport and 981 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,359 Speaker 1: for food and for food. It's unethical just to hunt 982 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:51,320 Speaker 1: kids for trophies, you know, gotta cook them risk. Oh god, Sophie, 983 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: that's what the ad, that's the a I'm just reading 984 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: the ad as it was sent to us by the 985 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: and the Ustache people. Okay is the probo code with 986 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: how many ms? Good? That's at least nine ms. Yeah, okay, 987 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: here's the ads. Oh boy, we're back. No, no segue. 988 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm immediately just going to read a description of ever 989 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: do that voice again? That was uncomfortable? Please continue? No, Sophie, Sophie, Sophie. 990 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: Hey did it? Are you good? How's it going great? Chris? Please? 991 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: The Conjuror system consisted of three levels. The first was 992 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: mutual cooperation among military intelligence services to coordinate political surveillance 993 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: of targeted dissidence and exchange intelligence information. The second was 994 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: covert action, a form of offensive unconventional warfare in which 995 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 1: the role of the predator remains can see Old multinational 996 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: Condoor squadrons carried out covert cross border operations to detain, 997 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,280 Speaker 1: disappear exiles and transfer them to their countries of origin 998 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: where most discipline or permanently certain. Most secret level was 999 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: Condoor's assassination capability, known as Phase three. Under Phase three, 1000 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: special teams of assassins re member countries reformed to travel 1001 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 1: worldwide to eliminate subversive enemies. Phase three was aimed at 1002 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,439 Speaker 1: political leaders, especially feared for their potential to mobilize wild 1003 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: opinion or organized broad opposition to the military states. So 1004 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 1: what condor is right? It is a bunch of countries. 1005 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: It's a Chile, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador and later 1006 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: Peru working together to form just like multinational desk squads 1007 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: and using them to like they have these squads and 1008 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,760 Speaker 1: kidnapping teams, and they using them to target like internal 1009 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: enemies and subversives, who it turns out is just literally 1010 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: anyone doesn't support the government. Um, I'm going to read 1011 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: a quote from an operative of DINA, which is Pinochet's 1012 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: National Intelligence Directorate, which is like they're like the secret police, 1013 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: but also the CIA. Oh good, they're they're great, and 1014 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: by great. Yeah. One team to operatives explained DINA strategy 1015 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: as follows. First the aim was to stop terrorism, then 1016 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,279 Speaker 1: possible extrememists we're targeted, and later though she might be 1017 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: converted into extremists. Similar language is used in seven by 1018 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: Argentine General bitter Co Saint Jean when he said, first 1019 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: we kill all the subversives, then we kill all their collaborators, 1020 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: then their sympathizers, then all those who remain indifferent. Ah um, 1021 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,919 Speaker 1: maybe take notes on that. People who remain indifferent. Yeah, 1022 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you too, like unless you are any 1023 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: active supporter of the regime. And also you never kiss 1024 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,359 Speaker 1: anyone off. Ever, somehow miraculously they're gonna kill you. Two 1025 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: it's great. And and this this works on two levels. Um. 1026 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: On the one side, there's like there's these internal persia's 1027 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: right which which are aided by intelligence from other condrac countries. 1028 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: So for example, in night seventy, Argentinian army like stages 1029 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: a coup and take control of the country and they 1030 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: start was known as the Dirty War, which the government 1031 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,840 Speaker 1: disappears thirty thousand people who become known as a disaparsidos. 1032 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: One of the fun tactics of the Argentinian Army and 1033 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: their des squads was to keep pregnant women alive just 1034 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: long enough to force them to have their babies and 1035 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: then kill them and steal the babies. Which okay, that 1036 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like good behavior. Yeah and and and you know, okay, 1037 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: all of these guys are right wing Catholics. And I'm 1038 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: not even going to bother spelling out the comparison to 1039 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: fourth verses in the US. I will leave that metaphor 1040 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: as an exercise for the listener. And these killings were 1041 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,919 Speaker 1: done like part Partly they're done directly by the state, 1042 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: and partly they're done by states supported DES squads. In Argentina, 1043 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: that des squad is called, uh, the Argentine Anti Communist 1044 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: Alliance or Triple A. Here here's McSherry. Oh, that is 1045 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: the same Triple A that helps me when I need 1046 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: my cartel. You know, I genuinely cancel I I think 1047 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: I think the quote I'm about to read there they're 1048 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: making a Triple A joke. But I'm on really sure. 1049 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Just based on the long lines 1050 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: that you have to stand in that place, I buy 1051 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: it in. In November nineteen seventy three, the Triple A 1052 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:15,080 Speaker 1: detonated a bomb in the car of Senator Kipelato your goryan, 1053 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: that's a that's a gnarly name of this the Union 1054 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: Civica Radical, which is hilariously a moderate party, um the 1055 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: first claimed terror, it's first claimed terrorist attacked. The senator 1056 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,160 Speaker 1: was severely wounded. He was the victim of another bomb 1057 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen and was tortured and interrogated by army officers 1058 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: in that year. They told him, quote, you want to 1059 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 1: know about the Triple A. Well, we're the Triple A. 1060 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: We put the bomb in your car. Oh well, that's 1061 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: nice of them to say, so. Yeah. Um, it's also 1062 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: worked oning. So the Triple A. They get kind of 1063 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 1: absorbed into the Argentina and military, but they kind of 1064 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: still operate under under this it's I don't know, they're 1065 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 1: they're there. They after the military que and seventy six. 1066 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: They're more inside the state than they are outside of it. 1067 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: But they also host the nineteen eight meeting of the 1068 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: c A L Buenos Aires after they were semi absorbed. 1069 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: They're also heavily involved in the Wanti Communist League. And 1070 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 1: we're going to come back to the nineteen eight meeting 1071 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: because it also was very important, but not only for 1072 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: the next episode. For now, we should talk about like 1073 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: how CONDO actually worked a bit more. Um McSherry describes 1074 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 1: it as as a paris statal organization in that it's 1075 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: technically inside or tied to the state, but it operates 1076 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: completely in secret, and it has it has it has 1077 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, it has a unified command structure that involves 1078 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: operatives from you know, intelligence services from the military. There's cops, 1079 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: there's right wing civilians and paramilitaries. But again, like the 1080 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: secrecy of this means that even other parts of the 1081 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: military don't know if they exist. UM, as we've seen 1082 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: with Triple A condor makes the use of paramilitary sometimes 1083 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 1: like folding them directly in the shade of command. Sometimes 1084 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: they just like basically do contract killings out to other 1085 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: like fascist parabilitaries. UM and their whole command structure remains 1086 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 1: entirely unregistered. It is by its very nature outside of 1087 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: the sort of bounds the state bureaucracy. Everything is unbarked, untagged, 1088 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: secret or black ops. Its officers are commissioned literally as 1089 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 1: special agents. It operates as a sort of like a 1090 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: secret parallel state alongside the official state. And I want 1091 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 1: to pause here for a second to to think about 1092 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: the extent to which American and British pop culture is 1093 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: entirely centered around valorizing this stuff. Like pop culture is 1094 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 1: completely obsessed with secret agents. We have there's twenty five 1095 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: Bond movies. There are there are five different Call of 1096 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 1: Duty Black Ops games, right, Like the last Black Ops 1097 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,080 Speaker 1: game is literally you working for Ronald Reagan to do 1098 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 1: stuff for the CIA, and but it's like, okay, if 1099 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,000 Speaker 1: you think about what this stuff is, right, all of 1100 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: this black ops stuff, it's it's this you know, you look, 1101 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: you look, you look at the sort of pures expression 1102 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: of it in Latin America. It's just that it's literally 1103 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: just this this tyrratnical parallel state use job it is 1104 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: to kill subversives, and it's the descaad machine. And it's like, 1105 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: this is our entire pop culture is about making everyone 1106 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: think the deast squad machine is cool. Well, but the 1107 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: death squad machine this drunk all the time and that's 1108 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: pretty neat. Yeah, but here's the thing I went. I 1109 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: went to university, and I therefore I therefore know that 1110 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 1: you can be drunk all the time without being a 1111 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: desk squad. We had very different college experiences. That's a 1112 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: story for another day, am I right? I mean, immittedly 1113 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: we are on our like third college paramilitary in this episode, 1114 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: So that's right, that's right. Just like, how don't do it? 1115 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: John Sportsman? You were doing so well. We were so 1116 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: proud of you. It was like four for four touchback, 1117 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: first down, three pointers, nailed it, nailed it. So all right, 1118 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 1: we now have a picture we we have. We have 1119 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 1: an incredibly lackluster picture of the nature of basketball. We 1120 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 1: have a better picture of the internal structure of Condor. 1121 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,160 Speaker 1: But the thing is Condra's multinational operation and if which 1122 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: part of you is doing what the modern CIA would 1123 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: call it extraordinary renditions, And this means that there's just 1124 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,560 Speaker 1: like kidnapping dissidents who would, for example, fled from chilea 1125 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,439 Speaker 1: to Paraguay and then you bring them back to Chile, 1126 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: that you torture and execute them. And as this program 1127 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, goes on the start, they start assassinating people 1128 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: like all over the world. And these people, you know, 1129 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 1: they're not just getting murdered, right, they're getting horribly tortured. 1130 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,560 Speaker 1: The bodies that people find are like heavily mutilated, Their 1131 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: stab wounds have like burns. Um that the Argentinian classic 1132 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: is just dropping people both dead and live, out of helicopters, 1133 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: and well, at least they're not discriminating between dead or alive. 1134 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,919 Speaker 1: That's true. Everybody gets dropped out of a helicopter. That's quality. Yeah, 1135 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: And you know, and the other thing is that they're 1136 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 1: not just killing like completely random like nobody or like 1137 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, incredibly minor activist. They're killing people who are 1138 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 1: like very high profile and very famous, like in Sei 1139 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: they killed the former president of Bolivia, Juan Jose Torres 1140 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: and Buenos Aires um And you know, one of the 1141 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: favorite tactics that they use for sort getting away with 1142 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,919 Speaker 1: this stuff is that they'll kill a bunch of people 1143 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and then blame blame it on the left murdering each other. 1144 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: But like, that's not actually enough to cover up we 1145 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 1: killed the president of Bolivia. Well, we killed the president 1146 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: of Italy too, but nobody has a problem with that. 1147 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna go we will, we will get to the 1148 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: actually we I will mention it and then pointedly not 1149 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,959 Speaker 1: explain it next episode. That's good. That's good. More about 1150 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 1: the assassination of the fucking prime Minister of Italy. Just 1151 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: listened to Alex Jones show. The next time Steve is 1152 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: back on because he's the one who did it. You 1153 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: can hear from an act well, okay, okay, to be 1154 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: fo Wars contributor, the guy who killed the prime minister. 1155 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 1: To be fair, all right, there are a lot of 1156 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 1: people who were involved in killing the prime minister. We 1157 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 1: cannot give Steve, but the whole credit from the team 1158 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:52,640 Speaker 1: was inlved It's not just Magic and Biggy Tom Cruise, 1159 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 1: someone who was who was else on the team, Sophie, 1160 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,480 Speaker 1: are you trying to make a Magic Johnson Larry Bird reference? 1161 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 1: Right now? That's the one Larry Bird Lawrence Bird could 1162 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: be fair. I'm okay with you fucking up his name, 1163 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson and Larry Flint. Um again, very okay with 1164 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: you sucking up his name. Go for it, um, whatever 1165 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: you want. Good, all right, back to the game. So, okay, 1166 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, it is incredible, Like it is so obvious 1167 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: that like people that like, there's something going on here 1168 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,040 Speaker 1: that's assassinating people that like even even journalists are just 1169 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,919 Speaker 1: starting to write articles that are like, yeah, there's probably 1170 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: something going on here. And so Robert, you might be 1171 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: asking yourself, what is the United States, the champion of 1172 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: democracy and human rights and the leader of the free world, 1173 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 1: doing about a bunch of des squads murdering anyone who 1174 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:44,000 Speaker 1: doesn't actively supportabilitary dictatorship. And the answer is, uh, okay. 1175 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes they write a few strongly worded letters. They do 1176 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: this like twice. They write a few strongly worded letters. 1177 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Mostly they do nothing. And then the other part of 1178 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the time they're actively helping them do it, so to 1179 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: get a sense of like the level of immunity that 1180 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Condor had from the Vieosco from um the political counselor 1181 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: of of the U s Embassy and a equador in 1182 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,600 Speaker 1: sorry in Uruguay, you know, did the right thing for once, 1183 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 1: and he he he and a. Basically, they figure out 1184 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,640 Speaker 1: that a Brazilian labor leader is about to be like 1185 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 1: kidnapp and assassinated by these guys, and he helps this 1186 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 1: guy escape and in retaliation, a bunch of dudes and 1187 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: ski masks grabbed him off the street and broke every 1188 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,600 Speaker 1: vertebrae in his neck and back. And again, this guy 1189 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,920 Speaker 1: works for the US embassy and they broke every single 1190 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,919 Speaker 1: vertebrae in his neck and upper back and the US 1191 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: does nothing, and yeah, what what would you expect us 1192 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,720 Speaker 1: to do? You know, you know, you know, Okay, So 1193 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: like every once in a while, you'll do one of 1194 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,360 Speaker 1: the things that happens with the rand contrent rights that 1195 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,920 Speaker 1: they like kind of they accidentally get a d A 1196 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: agent killed and after that the US just goes like 1197 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 1: absolute ape shit, like it's just like okay, but this 1198 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,360 Speaker 1: guy is an embassy guy. You'd think that like if 1199 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,000 Speaker 1: you kill if you like like almost kill a guy 1200 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 1: from your embassy, like something would happen, but like, no, no, 1201 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen at all, absolutely not. And and you know, 1202 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: speaking of the government doing nothing. In the nineteen seventies, 1203 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: six agents of the Chilean National Intelligence Director at working 1204 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 1: with right wing Cuban exiles from the c i L 1205 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 1: car bomb and man named Orlando Letier in Washington, d 1206 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: c um Lydia had been the socialist foreign minister under 1207 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: a end and he's just like implacable foe of Pinochet 1208 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: and the chilenge a like yeah, what does kill him? 1209 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: And so you know they do it, right, they just 1210 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 1: they kill him and like it literally in Washington, d C. 1211 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,360 Speaker 1: With a car bomb, and the guy who does it 1212 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,920 Speaker 1: is an American Diana operative named Michael town Lee. And 1213 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,080 Speaker 1: he serves five years in prison and then gets FBI 1214 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,919 Speaker 1: witness protection. So there are there are an enormous number 1215 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,600 Speaker 1: of people in this country who have served more time 1216 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,080 Speaker 1: in prison for literally having weed than this guy is 1217 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:51,560 Speaker 1: serving for doing a car bomb assassination in Washington, d C. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1218 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's great and this, This is like 1219 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 1: dream the Carter administration do it. Nothing happens nothing. I 1220 01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: think it's your the Carter Maan, I'm pretty sure, yes, 1221 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: many six. Yeah. And and the reason that don't they 1222 01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,200 Speaker 1: don't do anything is twofold. One is that the CIA 1223 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: is systematically lying under oath to Congress about whether it's 1224 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 1: like what it knew about Condor. And the other reason 1225 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: is that the US is actively helping them, Um that 1226 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 1: they're there, there's your channels. This one is that there's 1227 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: good evidence that the CIA actively helped the Chilean government 1228 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: kidnapp and murder multiple American citizens. But it's actually much 1229 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: worse than that because so condor as as a sort 1230 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: of network is running off of this encrypted American telecommunication 1231 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,360 Speaker 1: network and an equipment that is based in the Panama 1232 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: Canal Zone. Now, Robert, Uh, I'm gonna I'm going to 1233 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,920 Speaker 1: ask you what was the U. S. Government running in 1234 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: the Panama Canal Zone in the nineteen seventies. Um, they 1235 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 1: were just helping boats. You know, they love boats, were 1236 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 1: big boat people America and we'd like to keep them moving. 1237 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: What what what was the other thing we were running there? Uh? 1238 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,280 Speaker 1: Just boats? Boats? Yeah, just boats, there's a there's a 1239 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,000 Speaker 1: guy named Manuel Noriega who was famous because he was 1240 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,480 Speaker 1: good at boats. Yeah, we all we just boats. We 1241 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: also have a very famous boating school there called the 1242 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,240 Speaker 1: School of the America. Boat if you want to learn 1243 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,960 Speaker 1: how to be on a boat, school of because it's 1244 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: the school of how to like take your boat across 1245 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the America's. That's why they call the School of the Americas. 1246 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:24,200 Speaker 1: All of the America's is for boats. Yeah, so yeah, 1247 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,560 Speaker 1: that's right, baby, it's School the Americas. We're doing the 1248 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,680 Speaker 1: School the America's again. And it turns out that I'm 1249 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,320 Speaker 1: gonna just gonna read this from Predatory States. As one 1250 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: military graduate of the School of America's put it, the 1251 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 1: school was always a friend for other special operations, covert operations. 1252 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,000 Speaker 1: So they're using the School of the Americas as cover 1253 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,040 Speaker 1: to run a covert assassination network. It's gonna kill like 1254 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: an incredible number of people, including multiple U. S citizens, 1255 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: some of whom were killed on American soil. It's great. Yeah, 1256 01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: that's like, I don't know what that's like something basketball, 1257 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and that that's that's that's just down 1258 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,040 Speaker 1: from Sophie on that one. I'm not terrible basketball metaphore. 1259 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,480 Speaker 1: That's just that's where we're gonna leave it today. With 1260 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the role at the Communist League having helped spawn and 1261 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,439 Speaker 1: carry out Operation Condor alongside their friends the CIA. Well, 1262 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,360 Speaker 1: if your friend is the CIA, you can find the 1263 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:28,599 Speaker 1: rest of our shows on the internet. You know what, Actually, 1264 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 1: here's a little we should do a little bit of 1265 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 1: house cleaning here, because folks have been yelling about this 1266 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,760 Speaker 1: on a couple of different things. Um is uh so 1267 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 1: people are always like, hey, there's some weird edit thing 1268 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 1: or there's some clip or something is wrong here, and 1269 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,000 Speaker 1: I have to tell you all right now, none of 1270 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: that has to do with us. It has to do 1271 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 1: with like whatever fucking weird ass app you're using, and 1272 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,160 Speaker 1: usually and usually it's Spotify Spotify or it's sucking podcast 1273 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: Republic or like pod fucker or whatever goddamn bespoke ass 1274 01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 1: pod aft new motherfucker's use. Um just fucking using our 1275 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,600 Speaker 1: ss F in anyway, whatever people are weird, Um, I 1276 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,639 Speaker 1: don't know what to tell them. Um, but there's really nothing, nothing, 1277 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: particularly that we can do. Can I give some advice? Yes, 1278 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: So if you notice that your thing is being funky 1279 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:21,599 Speaker 1: on Spotify, delete it, refresh your feed, re downloaded if 1280 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 1: the episode sounds funked up, instead of hopping online and 1281 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,439 Speaker 1: assuming that it's it's us, hop onto your phone, delete it, 1282 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 1: redownloaded and it will probably be fine. Because here's the thing. 1283 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,280 Speaker 1: This show gets downloaded like ten million times a month 1284 01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,560 Speaker 1: on like a thousand different goddamn apps, and like that 1285 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,240 Speaker 1: just introduces a lot of different ways for things to 1286 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,640 Speaker 1: get all fucky in weird ways. And we we we 1287 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 1: do our best with quality control, but we have no 1288 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,800 Speaker 1: control over like podcasts come Guzzler or whatever app you 1289 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,520 Speaker 1: like to use. Um, so you know, try re downloading 1290 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,599 Speaker 1: the show before you yell at Sophie on the internet 1291 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:06,759 Speaker 1: about how um the pod potomy app that was sodomy 1292 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: and pod that I'm mixed together it isn't working right, Okay, 1293 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 1: It's it's fine. M I do love it when people 1294 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: are like, hey, do you know why your podcasts are 1295 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 1: sucked up? And then we'll just like name some app 1296 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 1: I've never heard of. It's like, I don't know, maybe 1297 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: it's because you're using some weird goddamn app I've never 1298 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: heard up to download fucking podcasts. What do you want 1299 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,160 Speaker 1: it from us? We can't. We can't. We don't even 1300 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: know how many apps are out there people are using 1301 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,280 Speaker 1: to download our fucking shows and everyone is like my 1302 01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:43,840 Speaker 1: audio skipping. Yeah, that's Spotify. You can't see it that 1303 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,519 Speaker 1: I'm smiling on the outside while dying on the inside 1304 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: like a winner. Speaking of winners, Chris, where can people 1305 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,800 Speaker 1: follow you? You can find me at it me hr 1306 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,280 Speaker 1: three on Twitter. Uh yeah, that's it. Don't look for 1307 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,640 Speaker 1: me anywhere else you won't find me, And look for 1308 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,479 Speaker 1: me behind you whenever you feel afraid, because that's where 1309 01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,720 Speaker 1: I'll be stealing your wallet. I'm ending it on that. 1310 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. 1311 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,360 Speaker 1: For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool 1312 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,400 Speaker 1: zone media dot com, or check us out on the 1313 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,160 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 1314 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: your podcasts.