1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Kubbooms. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: of the old republic, a sol fashion of fairness. He 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: rich pill poppers in the penthouse. 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special. 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: the air. 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Everyway you have stumbled onto the Fifth Hour with Ben 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: Mahler and Danny G Radio because four hours a night 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: are not enough. Eight days a week, well, not this week, 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: eight days a week. I'll explain why coming up momentarily. 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: But Danny G Radio not with me this weekend. My 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: man Danny G doing some of the production work on 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: this podcast, but he is away from the microphones right 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: now as he is Daddy Gee Radio. Daddy Congratulations to 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Danny and his wife on the birth of their son 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: last weekend. The child was born on Saturday. And rather 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: than me tell you secondhand information, We're gonna wait till 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Danny gets back and he'll give us all the blow 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: by blow details on the birth of his son. We're 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: very excited for Danny Mozeltov to him and his wife there. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: So congratulations. But we are back in the audio dojo 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: on this Friday. You're probably wondering where I have been. 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: Maybe not, Maybe you're happy. I haven't been behind the 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: microphones the last couple of days, so I cannot explain 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: what has happened. I did spend the week on the 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: East Coast, and there's something bubbling up, something percolating that 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: I am not allowed to discuss. But hopefully soon I'll 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: be able to tell you what this trip was all about. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Some exciting things coming very soon that I want to 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: tell you about, but I can't tell you about now. 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: It's not for public consumption, so stay tuned. It's a cliffhanger. 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: And today this is someone I wanted to get on 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the fifth hour for a while. I've wanted to chat 38 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: with this guy. Haven't tracked him down because I haven't 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: put the effort in. Bad job by me, But we 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: have uncovered the man, the myth, the legend, one of 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: the great personalities in sports media over the years. Here 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: his name is TJ. Simers, a longtime sports columnist at 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Times. He's worked at a bunch of 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: different newspapers over the years, but he was at the 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: LA Times for a generation, most famously as the Page 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: two columnist. You probably saw him on ESPN back in 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: the day. He was a panelist on the show Around 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: the Horn in the early days of that show. If 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: you're in Los Angeles. He hosted a radio program with 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: his daughter, a morning drive radio show for a number 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: of years. So's done a little bit of this, a 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: little bit of that. But one of my favorite columnists, 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not sucking up to them because, unlike so many, 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: especially in the Los Angeles media, that are lap dogs 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: for the teams and the players, TJ was an attack 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: dog and I loved it, and it caused him a 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: lot of heartache. We'll get into that, I'm sure, but 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: before we get in to that part of the story, 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: we must delve into the lawsuit. For the last number 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: of years, I have seen headlines. You've probably seen these 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: things too if you pay attention to the sports media world. 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: And there were these headlines that TJ. Seimer's had won 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the La Times for multiple millions of dollars. 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: So that was the big headline, TJ Simers wins. So 65 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: then a few months later, a judge or someone in 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: the court system. I assume a judge would say, well, no, yeah, 67 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: you don't actually get to keep the money, and then 68 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: they'd go back and they'd have an other trial, and 69 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: then TJ would win again, and he'd win a lot 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: of money, and then the same thing would happen. So 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to win a court case multiple times, 72 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: but TJ was able to do it. So let's start 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: with that. TJ. Can you walk us through what happened 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: with this long legal battle that you had you and 75 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: your legal team there, TJ against one of the major 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: institutions of American media, the La Times. Walk me through 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: what it's been like for you. 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: Spent ten years of my life in a courtroom and 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: won the first trial one seven million. Then the judge said, 80 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: you know, let me think about this. Yeah you won, 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: but I'm not going to give you the money. We're 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: going to go to appeals and see what happened. Went 83 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: to appeals, and the appeals people said, yeah, you won, 84 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: but let's do another trial to figure out how much 85 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: money they should pay you. So we did. We did 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: another trial and we won fifteen million, and the judge 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: said on the very last day he said, you know, 88 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: instead of giving you the money, I think we're going 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: to do another trial and this, as you can tell, 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: I'm just having lots of fun with this. And we 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: went to a third trial. We won over a million 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: dollars and they paid off and the time, when I 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: say the Times paid off by that point, all in Capital, 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: which owns all these other newspapers register and you know, 95 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: just bought They just bought a paper. Well, San Diego Union, 96 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: which everybody thinks means they're going to put them out 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: of business. Well, they paid us over a million. They 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: still owe us over three million in court costs, which 99 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: I get half, but we're still waiting on that to 100 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: be adjudicated further. So it was a mess. 101 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And why did it take so long? What did 102 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: did did the law? Did your lawyers explain that it 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: seems like you won a couple of times? That should 104 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: be it? Why did they keep going back? 105 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: The legal system is a lot like the way the 106 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: Clippers were won or run. It's just mind body, it's 107 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: not a good system that we have. I still can't 108 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: tell you why we won, and effectively felt like at 109 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: times we lost. I never was fired by the other times, 110 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: I just quit because I didn't like the leadership there 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: and what they were doing. So when we went to court, 112 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: it was very simple. Every time the jury agreed with me, 113 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: and every time the judge decided to have his own mind, 114 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: he would tell the jury, you people are the most 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: important people in the whole world. You give us your 116 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: time and your dedication, and then they would make their 117 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: judgment and he would go against them. So it's a 118 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: really screwed up world out there, and I feel badly. 119 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: I supposedly had the best lawyers in the world out there, 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: and so did the other side. What happens to these 121 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: poor people who get the worst lawyers. Yeah, it's just ugly. 122 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: And seeing them sit around the hallways in the courthouse. 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 3: It was in La Superior Court. I just felt so 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: badly for some of these people. We felt we were 125 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: getting screwed, and I can only imagine how badly they 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: take it. 127 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you obviously had a great case. You ended 128 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: up winning. You beat a major media company three times, right. 129 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: Three times? 130 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how hard that is TJ to do that. 131 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the odds of that. 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: I know it's hard. The odds of winning probably are 133 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: not great, but that's how you know. They never the 134 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: Times never proved a single thing where they had suggested 135 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: that I had done wrong earlier on. It was it 136 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: was just it was a case of two editors who 137 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: had their own agenda. They were later fired by the 138 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: La Times. But that didn't do me any good, just 139 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: a you know, a bad taste in my mouth in 140 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: the career. 141 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you, you had been there for a generation. 142 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you were a rock of the La Times, 143 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: as so many of the guys were teaj It's got 144 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: to be odd. I mean you look at all the 145 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: people you work with there, and good newspaper people who 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: are no longer newspaper people because the business is just 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: upside down. 148 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, the business is all about dying right now. I 149 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: mean the people at the La Times are trying to 150 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: kill the newspaper because it serves them better. They don't 151 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: have to pay for printing presses, which they're going to 152 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: have to go to Riverside starting in February to print 153 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: the paper. They don't have to pay for paper, they 154 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: don't have to pay for delivery. It's much better for 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: them if they can do a newspaper online and train 156 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: everybody to do online and then train the advertisers to 157 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: pay for it. So people in my profession of my 158 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: age right now, they're disappearing. 159 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been crazy the last ten years or so, 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: it's been nuts. But as far as you as a columnist, teacher, 161 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: I always love your approach to writing the page two 162 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: column at the Times because you are what I call 163 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: a rarity. You are the white whale in LA media 164 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: as far as the newspaper guys, because most of the 165 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: columnists did not really I don't know that you attacked, 166 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: but compared to everyone else, you were an absolute pit bull. 167 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: Why do you think TJ that we we did not 168 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,239 Speaker 1: get more of your style of writing as a columnist 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: in LA because a lot of the guys are kind 170 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: of cheerleaders and they're not you know, they don't they're 171 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: not as critical as you ended up when you were 172 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: doing that column all those years. Why do you think 173 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: that is? 174 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: Man? It's dangerous out there. You know in those days 175 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: are online site the very top ad was from the Angels, 176 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: so here I would be writing a story about Angriarty 177 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: and Angry Arty is paying money to advertise across the 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: top of our sports page on the online you're you're 179 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: messing with powerbrokers. You know, the Dodgers have been cozy 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: with the power brokers in town. It's you know, look 181 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: at the Lakers are owned by in part by Patrick 182 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: Suon Jong, who's the publisher of The Times. You you, 183 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: if you get tough with people in la in sports, 184 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: you're going to pay the price. They have a thing 185 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: now where every day the writers are measured but by 186 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: what they call conversions. So let's say Dylan or plashke 187 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: rights their job is to get new subscribers within an 188 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: hour after their column has posted online or within an 189 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: hour after their column has been read by somebody. They 190 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: are even if they pay a dollar for subscription. That 191 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: makes plash g or Dylan look good. For the writers 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: who don't get conversions, it's like getting the merits and 193 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: being the first to be nervous about being laid off. 194 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: So then you start to ask the question, well, if 195 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: Clash he writes only about the Dodgers and USC and 196 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: is he doing it to panders of the editors so 197 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 3: he gets conversions, or is he doing it because he's 198 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 3: a legit columnist and that's what moves him. Right now, 199 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: it's tough decisions that everybody has to make to survive. 200 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy. I have some great TJ stories. 201 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I want to buy you from the past. TJ. So 202 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the first one of the first interviews I did with you, 203 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: first time I chatted with you, you were, I believe, the 204 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: NFL columnist, if I remember correctly at the times? Is 205 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: that correct? Did you cover? 206 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: That's correct? Is correct? 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: So this is probably in the nineties. I was doing 208 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: the Ben and Dave Show, the local show, and we 209 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: had you on and you did not like the questions 210 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: we asked. TJ. I remember you. You were so an. 211 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 3: You've got Ben, Ben, You've gotten better. You have a 212 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: little practice doing this, so I appreciate the fact that 213 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: you ung in there. 214 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: Ahead I did, I did, But it was it was 215 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: hilarious because we had you on. I think you were 216 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: covering a Charger game or something because there were no 217 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: teams in l au were the NFL columnist. But at 218 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: that time the Rams had left and the Raiders had left. 219 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 3: Why is there a little laughter in your voice when 220 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: you say there were no teams in LA and you 221 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: were the NFL column. 222 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: It's great, I mean, but we had you on and 223 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: you got really annoyed. I forget exactly. I don't even 224 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: remember what we asked you, but you hung up on 225 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: us TJ, right in the middle of the interview. It 226 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: was to this day, I still fondly remember how annoyed 227 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: you were. I'm sure it was Dave. It wasn't me, 228 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: but whatever happened, I mean you you hung up, but 229 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: it was great. One of the other stories I wanted 230 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: to mention was when you first took over page two. 231 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: Ye. 232 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: I was out with the Dodgers quite a bit in 233 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: those days, and I believe Davey Johnson I think was 234 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: the manager at the time, but there was there was 235 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: a revolt TJ. And I remember because before every game, 236 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: the manager will come out and speak to the writers 237 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: in the dugout. I don't know if they still do 238 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: that anymore, but they'd go down. Davy would come down 239 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: and speak to the writers, and I remember, like the 240 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: beat writers were so upset with you because of what 241 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: you were writing about the dog for. 242 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 3: My own paper, from my own paper. 243 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: Exactly, they would they would like boycott. They did. They 244 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: boycott the manager's interview because you were there and they 245 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to Davy. If I remember correctly, because you 246 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: were they were that upset with you. Do you remember that? 247 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's not the accurate story. The accurate story 248 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: is that Davy was so upset with me that he 249 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: said he would never talk to me as long as 250 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: he was a manager of the Dodgers. 251 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so he was gonna do he was. 252 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: Gonna interview with the other writers somewhere else or one 253 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: by one so he didn't have to talk to me. 254 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: As I wrote the next day, I hope I can 255 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: wait the two weeks before Davy Johnson's fired. And of 256 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: course he was, and the Dodgers wouldn't let him pull 257 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: his uh vision about not talking to me as long 258 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: as I was there, because when they had a scheduled interview, 259 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: I would show up and the other writers didn't let me, 260 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: turning off the manager and ending their interview sessions. They 261 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: certainly weren't pleased with that, which shows you what thunderheads 262 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: they were. They're in the newspaper business. They have to do. 263 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: They need access. They need to get to a manager. 264 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: You know, you can't just run and hide because the 265 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: manager is mad at one of the writers and so forth. 266 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: You need to hang together. Well, they didn't hang together, 267 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: and most of them are out of the business right now. 268 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: It's a tough business out there. If you're going to 269 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: ask Davy Johnson why his recent decision made the Dodgers 270 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: lose all their body language of the writers would lean 271 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: towards Davy, you know, like, well, we're not with this guy. Well, hey, 272 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: someone's got to ask him the question. Everybody is such 273 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: a happy, go lucky jeez. That must have been a 274 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: tough ball to catch in right field. All I would 275 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: say is then they issue you a glove. Haven't you 276 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: learned how to catch the ball? That's what we're there for. 277 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: We're there to represent the guy who's laying on the 278 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: couch going what the hell is wrong with my team? 279 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: That's our job. Yeah, and right now it's tough to do. 280 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: I agree with And I want to run this by 281 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: a TJ. Because years ago, when MLB started their websites, 282 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: and that was like the first team that ran their 283 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: own site, had hired their own writers. I had a 284 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: guy tell me that this is the future that we 285 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, it's gonna take a while, 286 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: but eventually the fans are gonna love. They're only gonna 287 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: want this kind of coverage. You know, that's filtered through 288 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: the teams, and here we are. It's been about a 289 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: generation since that started, and the teams all run their 290 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: own websites. We're at that point. I was raised where 291 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: I love the kind of criticism and critique that you 292 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: bring TJ. But it seems like the younger generation have 293 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: accepted the kool aid, Like, do you think that'll ever 294 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: go back? 295 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: No? No, I think that's where we are. I mean, 296 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: you can blame a lot of it on ESPN and 297 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: look at who they hire to be their the voices 298 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: of reason, you know what are some of Pablo Torres 299 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: and and it is real something or other. A lot 300 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: of young guys who've never spent time in a locker 301 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: room and they're telling you, the viewer, what to think 302 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: about sports when they having me met the guy. That's 303 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: what I always felt as a newspaper people, even as 304 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: a columnist, I was out there every day. I wanted 305 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: to know what Kevin Brown was like personally, you know, 306 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to know what Jeff Kent was like personally. 307 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: You can't do that now in many respects because they'll 308 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: try and lock you out of the clubhouse. I mean, 309 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: the first day I was on the job of the Dodgers, 310 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: Kevin Brown ordered that I leave the clubhouse and asked 311 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: Derek Hall to make sure that no Times reporters could 312 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: come into the clubhouse. And Derek Hall told him, we 313 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: can't do that, And Derek Hall then had a problem 314 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: with Kevin Brown. Derek Hall went on to be the 315 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: president of the Diamondbacks, and of course Kevin Brown went 316 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: home to pull a gun out his next door neighbor 317 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: for throwing leaves in his yard. But it's it's tough 318 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: to be out there right now. You don't get as 319 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: much access. If the team tells a writer, you know, 320 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 3: someone is not available. Oh okay, thank you, maybe we 321 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: can talk tomorrow. What are you talking about? My job 322 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: today is they go get that sun a bench and 323 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: talk to them. Yeah, that doesn't happen. 324 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: No, it's it's changed so much. And that was always 325 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: the thing, as you said, you know, if you were 326 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: the if you were criticizing somebody, you had to go. 327 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: You had to be out in the locker room. You 328 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: had to be available if they wanted to confront you 329 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: or they had an issue with you. And you're right 330 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: today it's much different now speak I'm made sure. 331 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: I made sure I was available every day after I 332 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: wrote a tough story so that some of the athlete 333 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: can say to me, you know, I thought that story sucked. 334 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: I A'm fine with that. I'm fine to vi as 335 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: the contrary opinion. I might write another column on them 336 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: next day and Hammerton even more. But you know that's 337 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: that was the way business this whole. As I was 338 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: explaining this conversion business at the LA Times, They've discovered 339 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: if you write slopping nice stuff about a team, they'll 340 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: get conversions. People don't want to feel good about the 341 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: Dodgers or feel good about USC here, so they don't 342 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: necessarily agree with somebody like myself writing negative stuff unless 343 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: the team is really bad. Now, I did write good 344 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: things about people, and what people don't realize is I 345 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: was closer to most of the owners in town, general managers, 346 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: even managers players, you know, the Manny Ramimbers of the world. 347 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: We'd only talk to me at times. Kobe and I 348 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: had a relationship where I could go out in the 349 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: court before a game and I would tell them, you know, 350 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: you're the worst three point shooter I've ever seen in 351 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: my life. Let me bring my daughter out here and 352 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: let her teach you how to shoot three pointers. That 353 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: night he set the NBA record for most threes. If 354 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 3: you go at athletes face to face, that's something they understand. 355 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: Every day they spend confronting the guy who's trying to 356 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: stop them, so they understand a reporter coming and trying 357 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: to get information from them who's at least straight. We 358 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: have too many people in the in the in the 359 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: business who walk up to it, like, let's say, in 360 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: the in those days, a Kobe would say, oh, you're 361 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: the best, you're the best, and and an act dumb 362 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: light when they ask a to tough question, and upstairs, 363 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: maybe in the media room, they'd be telling that that's 364 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 3: the worst thing. The guy can't do this, the god 365 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: can't do that. He never say it to his face. 366 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: I was called Doug Flutie, the Mission Bay Shrimp. That 367 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: was true. He was by Mission Bay and San Diego 368 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: and he was a. 369 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Shrim and the whole athlete. Nobody believed in me. It's 370 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: hard to do that these days, other than social media, 371 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: because the media is pretty much in the tank. And 372 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I there's one guy I had. There was an interaction 373 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: you had, I happened to be in the Laker locker room. 374 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: This is when Dwight Howard was on the team before. 375 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: This is the first you loved him. And I'm glad 376 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: you brought that because I want to bring this up 377 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: because you He was all upset that that day because 378 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: of something Stephen A or Skip Bayless had said on ESPN, 379 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: and he was really upset and you were a p 380 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: analyst on around them, so he he was all upset. 381 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: You tried to explain to him. I'm paraphrasing your TJ, 382 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: but you tried to explain to him. Listen, there's not 383 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: that many people that watched that show, it's okay. And 384 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: he was having none of it. Do you remember that day? 385 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: He was He was really kind of annoyed by the 386 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: whole situation. You tried to tell him, it's okay, it's 387 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: not that big a thing, and Dwight was having none 388 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: of it. 389 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: I remember days when everybody was annoyed with me, So 390 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: they get mixed up. To say that Dwight Howard was 391 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: annoyed with me one day is a little bit part 392 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 3: betch because it was pretty much every day. 393 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he see, but that day you were very 394 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: level headed. You like explained to him, listen, it's a 395 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: TV show. There's not that many people watching, you know, 396 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: they don't get the greatest ratings or whatever. And he 397 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: was like so he could not get over the fact 398 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: they had criticized. 399 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: Well, no athlete understands criticism. I mean, I don't know 400 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 3: how many athletes have come to me and said, I 401 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: thought you were my friend. Well no, I mean I 402 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 3: mentioned Kobe's name again. But when he had the incident 403 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: with the young lady in Colorado and everybody was taking sides, 404 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: was it sexual assault? What was it? I never said 405 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: a word in print because I wasn't there. I don't know. 406 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: And one of the very hyph falutant writers at the 407 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: only time said to me, how come you're not defending Kobe. 408 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: You're his friend. Hey, I stand in front of his locker. 409 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: I don't go to lunch with them, and I'm going 410 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: to dinner with him and don't go to breakfast. We 411 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: don't double date. I may know somebody better. I knew 412 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 3: Kobe probably as well as anybody in town, because at 413 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: certain times there we were talking more than most media 414 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: people and the player, and I did that with a 415 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: lot of athletes. But we're not friends. We're associates at best. 416 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: And that's hard for an athlete to understand because they're 417 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: not used to criticism. Remember a guy comes up, he's 418 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: into minors, he maybe gets signed for college or goes 419 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: straight to the NFL. They've all been stroked and puffed up, 420 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: and we're the first guys to come along and say, 421 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, you're not so hot. 422 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't like get it. And the other TJ 423 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: story I want to run by you is every time 424 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: I go to an Angels game, I as a member 425 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: of the media, and I walk to the pearly gates 426 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: right near the foulpole there where the press box is. 427 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: I think of you, TJ. Because in my head I 428 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: don't even know if this is true or not that 429 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: Arti Marino got so upset with you and your criticism 430 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: that he punished the entire media by putting the press box. 431 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: There's just like makeshift press box which is right near 432 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: the right field foul pole. I feel like that's a 433 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: tribute to you, TJ. Is that a fair take on 434 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: that or no? 435 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: I believe it's a fair take. Me and I argue 436 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: about this still to this day. Artie and I had 437 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: a fabulous relationship. We drank beers up beyond center field 438 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: underneath the stadium there. You know, he brought his daughter 439 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: on our radio show and everything. But then I wrote 440 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: one column criticizing is could already be the problem? And 441 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: that was it stop talking to me. And when he 442 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: would see me, he would come out of his owner's box, 443 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: which was you had to pass the owner's box to 444 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: get to the press box, and Alreadie would use the 445 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: fouls language, calling me names, and I'd always yell back 446 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: at him, Wow, you're so classy, Artie. I saw him 447 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 3: at the Marriott with his sidekick. What is it? I 448 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: keep I'm taking a cal Perry, but that's not the name. 449 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: No, but I know who you're talking about. 450 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he was nice to me and already 451 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: walked by, and you know, wow, it just Artie is 452 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 3: the most sensitive, uh big time guy that I I 453 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 3: think I've almost ever dealt with. And I think he 454 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: had a military background. Boy oh boy. I mean if 455 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: you you were the enemy and looked at him wrong, 456 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 3: God help you. He just uh to this moment, he's 457 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: just he's stupid, is what he is. If you're in 458 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: Anaheim and you're trying to sell your team, and that 459 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: was what it was all about. Billboard guy, you know, 460 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: chief baseball Caps cheap beer marketing. You got to sell 461 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: yourself and he hasn't done that. That's why I'm anxious 462 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: to see how the Otani thing pans out. I commend 463 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: him for keeping Otani at this point because I've never understood. 464 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 3: I know, plash people the other time is writing you 465 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 3: gotta trade him? Who the hell are you? You're not 466 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 3: a baseball owner. You don't have any money in the stake. 467 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: Already is telling the fans, I'm going to try and 468 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: win it. We haven't won it in so many years? 469 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: What is baseball about? Every year? Trying to win it? 470 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: And you get that close that the Angels are, why 471 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: would you purposely hurt yourself? And well, prospects you can 472 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: get prospects for the future. How often do prospects not 473 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 3: pan out? 474 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: Hardly? 475 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: So that's what that's what to me, but should be 476 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: talked about in sports set of everybody you know, Oh 477 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: my god, you know, build for the future. 478 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Whose future exactly? And another thing TJ about the I 479 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: love that you brought the prospects thing up because this 480 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: drives me nuts. I do the show during the week, 481 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: and I got people calling up and saying, Oh, you're 482 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: trade this guy, that guy, just get prospects in return. 483 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: And as you pointed out, and there's a great quote 484 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: I stole from Dusty Baker, he said, a prospect is 485 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: a suspect until proven otherwise. 486 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, But we are in. 487 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: An era where it's like, no, no, you're just build 488 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: for the future. Tank. It's it's disgusting. It's the fantasy 489 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: sports element. And these people TJ many of them believe 490 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: every minor league player is going to turn out to 491 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: be the next show Hey o Tani or Mike Trout. 492 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: They are convinced of it. There is this this neurosis 493 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: among many fans, and it didn't used to be like that. 494 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: It's gotten really bad over the last twenty years or so. Great. 495 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: That's a great point, by the way, I never thought 496 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 3: of that, the fantasy aspect of it, but that's a 497 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: great point right now. The first of all, people are 498 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: too wrapped up into their sports teams in many cases, 499 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 3: and most of the people you deal with in your background, 500 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: a lot of them are just work you know. I mean, 501 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: your audience is going to be over the top on 502 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: and they know stats, and they know this and that, 503 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: and you know, in the third inning of the nights 504 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: when the do comes out, they know all these stats 505 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: and the crazy stuff instead of just enjoying the sport 506 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: and making level headed decisions. Oh, Tani may be the 507 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: best baseball player of our lifetime. Why what hold on 508 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: over five more minutes? That's all hold on to them. 509 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 3: I mean, how many chances do you get to have 510 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 3: the baseball best baseball player in your lifetime in your 511 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 3: own home area. So I commend already and at least 512 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 3: trying to do that. I want to see if he 513 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: makes a run for him. And I mean no one 514 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: in the world believes that already can and sign it 515 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: TONI including me, But I'd like to to see him try, 516 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 3: because that's what my owner should do if I'm following 517 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: a baseball team. 518 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard that he thinks that from people 519 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I know out there. He thinks he's actually gonna be 520 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: able to keep him because he likes playing there. 521 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: And I'll oh, don't start telling me, Ben what you've heard. 522 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 3: You know who you're talking to, unless you're talking to Artie. 523 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, y, no, no, no, I don't throw 524 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: that out there. Now you're trying to play I've learned 525 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: the word. You're trying to play troll. Troll everybody. 526 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: No, I'm just telling you that's right. 527 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: Your atrol, your troll. 528 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: Just admit it. Ben, I'm a big trull. But the 529 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: one thing about Antani that I think is going to 530 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: be the wave of the future because for a long 531 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: time baseball teams would not allow guys to pitch and hit. 532 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: It was very rare. You can only do one, you 533 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: can't do both. They weren't just talent well, they wouldn't 534 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: even give him the chance. Like I saw Dave Winfield 535 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: say he could have done it back in the seventies 536 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: with the the padres or whatever when he was coming 537 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: out of college. But because of Otani, and there's you 538 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: see these guys in college. You watched the College World Series. 539 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: There's guys that are this year for LSU. You saw 540 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: a guy that was a great pitcher could hit the 541 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: whole thing. I believe that Otani's gonna have a Tiger 542 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: Woods like effect TJ that we're gonna see guys in 543 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: the future be given the opportunity. They probably won't be 544 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: as good as Otani, but to be given the opportunity 545 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: to do both. Do you buy that or do you 546 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: not buy that? 547 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to be given that opportunity at 548 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: the major league level until after they've done it for 549 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: some time at another level. So that's one of the 550 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: built in problems. Otani was in a rare case because 551 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: he basically was almost implying that that was part of 552 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: his deal to come to the Angels. How many people 553 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: get that kind of leverage, you know, Japanese player every 554 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: once in a while coming over here, but by and large, 555 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: they got so much control over you and your property 556 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: to them that unless you can prove it at another level, 557 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: and you've got to work your way up. I don't 558 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. 559 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: I got you. I think I think it will. I'll 560 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: I think it will happen. There'll be some guys get 561 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: an opportunity. You did a radio show for a while, 562 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: They're TJ back in the day with your daughter, a 563 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: very popular show in LA and I love when you 564 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: did that because you were always like the newspaper guy 565 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: and all that and came a broadcaster. Did you inlight that? 566 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: Was it hard? Was it easy? Was it a layup 567 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: line or was it difficult for you. 568 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: It was very, very difficult because we were on from 569 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: six to nine. We had no six to nine in 570 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: the morning, so I'd be covering a Dodger game or 571 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: Laker game the night before and wouldn't get home until 572 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 3: after midnight. That's probably what made me so old. I 573 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 3: did it with my daughter, who had absolutely no experience. 574 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: But the Cimer's philosophy was take a risk in life. 575 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: So she quit her accounting job and did the radio. 576 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: But I told her on the air and off the air, 577 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: I didn't think she worked as hard ad as you 578 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: needed to do to be good in LA So that 579 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: ruffled our relationship for a little while. I had Fred 580 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: Rogan was on with us, and Fred it was a 581 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: tough guy to deal with. As he would tell you, 582 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: I was a tough guy to deal with. We didn't 583 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: always hit it off so and we just needed more experience. 584 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: We needed you around. Then. We needed somebody who's done 585 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: this in their entire life, who understand. I didn't want 586 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: to call up different people and ask him to come 587 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: on the show, and you're supposed to have producers for that. 588 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed My daughter and I did a Saturday 589 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: show or Sunday Sunday Morning show. We would have Jerry 590 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: Buss and Jeanie Buss on together. We had John Wooden 591 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 3: and his daughter nan on together. That's when I had 592 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: Arti Marino and his daughter on the air together. That 593 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: was more fun, more relaxed, and I would do interviews 594 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: for sometimes forty minutes instead of the typical radio stuff. 595 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: But it was a lifetime experience, but I wouldn't necessarily 596 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: sign up to do it again. 597 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned John wood and you became good 598 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: friends with Coach Well, I. 599 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: Did one of the one of the lovely, unbelievable things 600 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: that happened in my life. I mean, he was just 601 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: and he liked it. Because I was here reverend with him. 602 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: I would only call him the names that he hated. 603 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: You know, he hated the Wizard of Westwards. So when 604 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: we did a show at an Okaia Theater, I started 605 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: off by saying, we've got the Wizard of Westward. Did 606 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: I told you not to say that? And he was serious, 607 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: he was mad. So I said, okay, we'll call you 608 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: Saint John. And he hated being revered like that, just 609 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: hated it. He people would literally come to him and 610 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: Genia flect when they named the post office after him 611 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: in Tarzana. I was with him before the event started 612 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 3: and I said, give me a break here. Now, you 613 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: tell me you never took a drink your whole life. 614 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: And he said nope, ever, and then all goes well. 615 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: One I went to a fraternity party and I said, well, 616 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: that was during prohibition. You broke the law. And then 617 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: any name but Federal post Office after you a fallin. 618 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: And he loved that. He loved that kind of stuff. 619 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: He even admitted that he gambled once on a horse 620 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 3: race and the horse was named Gary, Indiana, and he won. 621 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: The horse was like twenty five to one and he 622 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 3: won the bet. He liked talking about things that made 623 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: him normal. That's why they did this. If you let 624 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 3: me just ran for one minute here, Ben, I we did, 625 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: you know, shows at the Nokia Theater when I was 626 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: called Nicky. I don't know what it's now, but we 627 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: did Jerry Weston's our Dinner Speaker, and we had John 628 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: Wooden and Ben Scully on stage together and me it 629 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: was live TV. I didn't wouldn't put anything in my ear. 630 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: I told him, I'll go to commercial when I feel 631 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 3: like it. My family was worried that the headline next 632 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: day day was going to read cybers kills Wooden or 633 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: killed Scully because they keel over and they were unbelievable. 634 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 3: The only reason they agreed to do the show was 635 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 3: if I promised to be irreverend towards them. So I 636 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 3: was the irreverend towards them. And the next day I 637 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: got killed in email for people because I wasn't handling 638 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: them with reverence and respect. It just frightened me. You know, 639 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: we did this great thing. We raised a million dollars 640 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: for Mattel's Children Hospital at u C l A and 641 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 3: City of Hope and the Children's Hospital in LA. And 642 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 3: Scully did not want any tape of that show safe. 643 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: He wanted he wanted made me promise I would not 644 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: take the show. The show ended and he came to 645 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: me right away and he said, we got to get 646 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: a tape of that. That was so much fun, that 647 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: was so great. Scully had the time of his life. 648 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: And he had seen wood And earlier in the week 649 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: who looked like he was. He was sitting in a 650 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 3: wheelchair at a coliseum event, and he said to me, 651 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: how are we going to do this? You know, in 652 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: his nice way of saying that I had no experience. 653 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: He thought he was going to have to carry the 654 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 3: whole show. We got there and we brought a kid 655 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: up on stage who had cancer in his leg and 656 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: wouldn't absolutely lit up. He got tried to get out 657 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: of the wheelchair down at his knees to teach the 658 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 3: kid how to put his shoes and socks on like 659 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 3: he did as basketball players. He was having a moment 660 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: where he was just pure enjoyment, and to me, it 661 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 3: was the greatest thing I can ever say about Scully. 662 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 3: Scully noticed it and took a step back. It's now 663 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: the John Wooden Show, and he didn't need the spotlight, 664 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 3: and he deferred to as many times as he could 665 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: because he couldn't see what was happening with what and 666 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: he wheeled Wooden out to the center of the stage. 667 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: At the end of the show. It was just it 668 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: was just great stuff. 669 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you were friends with both those guys. And 670 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: I knew Vin a little bit from the Dodger stuff 671 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: that I had done, and he was he was. I 672 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: remember one time I asked Vin, I thought when I 673 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: did Dodger talk. At first, I thought, well, Vin's probably 674 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: listening on the way home from you know. 675 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 3: He listened to show tunes exactly. 676 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: That's what he told me. I was so devastated. It's 677 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: like I asked him one time, I said, hey, what 678 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: do you listen to? You listen to It was very cool. 679 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, listen. Yeah, he listens to the show 680 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: tunes on the way the way home. But uh, yeah, 681 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: it's great. And the lesson I guess of that story, TJ, 682 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: is you treated those guys just like you treat everyone else. 683 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: You didn't kiss up, you didn't genue flect, and they 684 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: they loved it. They wanted more, right. 685 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: That was the key they did. They lived And you know, 686 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 3: with Scully, I made sure that I went to the 687 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: bathroom in Dodger Stadium before every game because Scully went. 688 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 3: So we would stand in the arnals next to each 689 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 3: other and I would get a story from Scully. He 690 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: told a Rocky Bridges story that just had me laughing 691 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: so hard that I was afraid that I pissed on 692 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 3: scully shoes, And you know, I looked down to make 693 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: sure that I hadn't caused a problem. But that's why 694 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: I went to the bathroom before every game, because I 695 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 3: would run into Scully and no one else would be 696 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: in there, so be just the two of us had 697 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: chance to talk. He was so good, and then you know, 698 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 3: we did another show. We did one on Kofax and 699 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 3: Torri at the Nokia Theater and I had never known Kofax. 700 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: I had a four hour breakfast with him the day before. 701 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 3: It was my first meeting, and he said, do you 702 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 3: ask me any question you want and I'll give you 703 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 3: an answer. I'm so tired of all these people saying 704 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 3: things about me. Let's come clean with everything. Oh okay, fine. 705 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 3: Asked the first four questions that I got a yes, no, 706 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: or maybe out of them. He froze the great sandy 707 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: Kofax pros so I said, the hell with this. I said, 708 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 3: you know what they tell me you were a great picture. 709 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 3: Henry Aaron owned you, for God's sakes, get three seventy 710 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: eight off you. He could do anything he wanted. And 711 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: that opened it up. Kofax started to tell stories, beginning 712 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 3: one about Aaron that made him just so human. It was. 713 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: It was another just fantastic moment that you could see 714 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 3: behind the persana, what really cool guy he is. 715 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: That's great. Uh you I've taken a lot of your time. 716 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: You write a you're doing a blog now. Actually a 717 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: guy who we both know, Jay Christiansen, who used to 718 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: work at the La Times. Yeah, great guy, he's a 719 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: friend of mine. I love Jay. He sent me your column. 720 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: That's how I found you. You're you're doing a blog, right, 721 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: You're a couple times a week, I guess, I think. 722 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 3: Uh, he just did one a few minutes ago, and um, 723 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 3: so excited to read in the La Times tomorrow how 724 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 3: the women's soccer team did not not a word there 725 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 3: today and you know you got to do everything by 726 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 3: a three pm deadline or you don't make it in 727 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: the La Times and the effort to kill the paper. Yeah, 728 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 3: so I'm poking fun at the Times again. 729 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: No, but I love it. And so how can people 730 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: find out? I'll put it in the description here, But 731 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: how can people? We'll find a TJ they want to 732 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: read because you you're doing the same stuff you've always done. 733 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: It's just just on your own platform there, So how 734 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: can they? 735 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 3: Yes, it's TJ Page two, TJ t A g E. 736 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 3: The number two dot blog Okay, and you just go 737 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 3: to that, you just call that up and uh, you know, 738 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: I usually put hope fun at the La Times. And 739 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not angry at the La Times. 740 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean they've ruined so many great journalists career because 741 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 3: of just what's happening in newspapers. And I did my 742 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: ordeal in courtroom. I would love to work for the 743 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 3: La Times. I even volunteered to Patrick soon Jung to 744 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 3: work for free to of course, you need to have 745 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 3: to donate two hundred thousand dollars the Mattel Children's Hospital UCLA, 746 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 3: but I made that offer. I love newspapers still. I 747 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: just wish I could find one in the morning. 748 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's see, that's the problem to you. If 749 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: they Times hired you again, people might actually read it, 750 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: and then that would be a problem. 751 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd get conversions. Man, you know 752 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 3: you touch and go to see if I could get 753 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 3: any conversions. 754 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: I got you. Well, I've loved talking to TJ. Thank 755 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: you so much for your time. I appreciate it. And 756 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: I do read your column when I check it out 757 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: as often as they can. 758 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: Don't go, don't do it. Don't it's so good for 759 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 3: about twenty minutes, and now I get starting to blow 760 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 3: smoke again. No, I tell you do that with your 761 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 3: guests on because you you know, you're just that's your 762 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 3: nice you know, host of mentality. That's what it is. 763 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: I said, I'll hang up and you'll probably you know. 764 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: I'll kill you. No, no, yeah, I know that. I 765 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: seriously I wish you're one of the. 766 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 3: Best at doing that. And that's good. That's that's high 767 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 3: praise is coming for me. 768 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I appreciate it. No, no, I always 769 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: tell I said, listen, I want more people I love. 770 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sucking up to you. I've told I've told 771 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: you in the past. 772 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 3: You are to don't don't hang up on you again. 773 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: All right, all right, I have a great day. Thank you, TJ. 774 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 3: Take care.