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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey There, Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's the latest edition of the Book of Joe Podcasts

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Speaker 1: with Me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden. And this is

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Speaker 1: a special and I mean a special Show Hey Otani

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Speaker 1: edition because Show Hey Otani is not just baseball news,

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Speaker 1: he is international news. And to me, Joe, there is

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Speaker 1: there's no two people better to talk about mister Otani

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Speaker 1: and his new future with the Dodgers than you, the

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Speaker 1: manager who took off all the governors on this guy

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Speaker 1: when he's with the Angels and just said go play.

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Speaker 2: And we're seeing the results of that kind of freedom.

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Speaker 1: And I've known Shoe Hay since he got to the

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Speaker 1: big leagues and have done one of the very few

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Speaker 1: sit down interviews he has done in the States for

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Speaker 1: an in depth piece for Sports Illustrated back in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: So I think we have some really unique insight into

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Speaker 1: what makes this guy tick. And Joe, I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: off with I'm gonna call it a monologue, okay, and

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your reaction to it, because I

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Speaker 1: really there's something I want to say about this signing

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Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Dodgers. We found out seven hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars for ten years, and all but twenty million

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Speaker 1: dollars of that is being deferred ten years down the

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Speaker 1: line with zero interest. And what I want you to

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Speaker 1: do as a listener right now is put away your cynicism.

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Speaker 2: Check it at the door. I know that's hard to do.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 1: Is sports big time money. Everybody's looking for an angle.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's looking for a shortcut, a workaround, a hidden agenda.

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Speaker 2: Stop it. Put all that away. Pretend that you are.

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Speaker 1: Naive at that point, because a lot of people ask

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Speaker 1: me what was the golden age of baseball, and you

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Speaker 1: hear different answers to that. And the golden age of

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Speaker 1: baseball is whenever you were ten years old, because that's

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Speaker 1: when you look at baseball and fall in love with

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Speaker 1: where the world is full of wonder and you don't

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Speaker 2: That's baseball when you're ten years old.

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Speaker 1: Call me naive, but I look at Shoeotani and I

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Speaker 2: Like a ten year old with first time eyes.

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Speaker 1: There is a youthfulness about shoe Heotani and whatever his

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Speaker 1: people heard that Shoeyotani was deferring ninety seven point one

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Speaker 1: a workaround. Dodgers are trying to skirt the competitive balance tax.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing but fuzzy accounting being counting at its best.

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Speaker 1: It's not this idea originated with Shoeotani. He went to

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Speaker 1: And he told the Dodgers, you can take this money,

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Speaker 1: I cannot recall anything like this in my lifetime in sports.

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Speaker 2: That's my monologue.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a lot, Joe, and I know you

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's really little to add to that.

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Speaker 3: He had this in his mind. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: He doesn't do those things.

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Speaker 3: So whatever amount of money he's made, how much he's made,

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Speaker 3: I'm curious eventually where that's and money's gonna end up

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Speaker 1: That's so well said, Joe, because I think you hit

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Speaker 1: This year they chose was authentic. Think about that, Joe.

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Speaker 3: He is developed this easy way of living, just like authenticity.

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Speaker 2: I'm a seventy million dollar player.

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Speaker 1: He's coming in already established as an authentic teammate, and

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Speaker 1: And it's weird to say this, Joe, but as a

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Speaker 1: So it will be about him, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: Inadvertently, you already described something that I think is absolutely

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Speaker 4: He does like everything.

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Speaker 3: When he's doing things, epay will fall him around with

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Speaker 3: he said, spin, You know, I don't even know exit

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Speaker 3: make an adjustment based on what he's saying and based

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna use more of this less of that. Again,

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Speaker 4: He's out there to beat you.

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Speaker 3: He's out there to help his team win, and that's

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Speaker 2: I love to hear that.

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Speaker 1: And if you watched him play in the WBC going

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: This is great for baseball for him to be with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say it every year. The Dodgers should have

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Speaker 1: Every year for the next ten years with their resources,

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, But I really

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Speaker 2: Back right after this.

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Speaker 1: So Joe, I mentioned I wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is that.

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Speaker 3: Whether you like the WBC or not, and I'm definitely

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Speaker 3: more than I do. That one event probably catapulted him

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Speaker 3: I've never seen that kind of well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: He knew the impact that that could have on this

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Speaker 3: upcoming year for himself again, his place in the game

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Speaker 3: as you know, the best baseball player in the world

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Speaker 4: In the day, Okay, here we go. This is this

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not like it's a it's definitely it

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Speaker 2: It was a great moment. No offense to the Texas Rangers.

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Speaker 1: Their run was incredible, undefeated on the road the postseason,

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Speaker 1: LA Dodger team for Shoeotani was this was something that

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Speaker 1: And he gave Otani a shirt and it had a

436
00:22:11,838 --> 00:22:15,478
Speaker 1: bunch of birds flying on a T shirt and it

437
00:22:15,558 --> 00:22:17,758
Speaker 1: basically said spread your wings, dare to dream.

438
00:22:17,998 --> 00:22:18,838
Speaker 2: And he challenged him.

439
00:22:18,878 --> 00:22:20,718
Speaker 1: He said, walk down a path, and nobody has walked

440
00:22:20,758 --> 00:22:23,758
Speaker 1: down and that meant being a two way player. But

441
00:22:23,878 --> 00:22:26,838
Speaker 1: do it in Japan first, establish a bona fides is

442
00:22:26,878 --> 00:22:29,598
Speaker 1: a two way player. And when you're ready, go fly,

443
00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:33,118
Speaker 1: go fly to MLB instead of signing with an MLP

444
00:22:33,398 --> 00:22:35,558
Speaker 1: team at seventeen or eighteen, you're probably going to get

445
00:22:35,558 --> 00:22:38,678
Speaker 1: specialized pretty quickly in the major league system.

446
00:22:39,198 --> 00:22:39,798
Speaker 2: And he did that.

447
00:22:40,158 --> 00:22:42,478
Speaker 1: And when it was time when Otani wanted to leave,

448
00:22:42,598 --> 00:22:45,438
Speaker 1: Koreamo was true to his word and he said, go ahead,

449
00:22:45,478 --> 00:22:46,038
Speaker 1: you're ready.

450
00:22:46,558 --> 00:22:48,318
Speaker 2: They didn't try to keep him. They could have.

451
00:22:48,438 --> 00:22:51,278
Speaker 1: They posted him, let him go, and that kind of

452
00:22:51,358 --> 00:22:54,278
Speaker 1: mutual trust he's trying to establish now with the Dodgers.

453
00:22:54,758 --> 00:22:57,758
Speaker 1: But this gets me back, Joe to the free agency

454
00:22:57,798 --> 00:23:00,678
Speaker 1: of showe Aotani, because there were people in the media

455
00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:04,678
Speaker 1: complaining that it was not good for base that his

456
00:23:04,718 --> 00:23:08,758
Speaker 1: free agency was so secretive. I guess people wanted the

457
00:23:08,838 --> 00:23:11,638
Speaker 1: dog and Pony show. They wanted the daily leaks, they

458
00:23:11,678 --> 00:23:14,598
Speaker 1: wanted mystery teams involved, you know, the usual bs that

459
00:23:14,638 --> 00:23:16,758
Speaker 1: goes along with free agency, and people think it's fun

460
00:23:16,758 --> 00:23:19,518
Speaker 1: to follow on a daily basis when actually nothing's happening.

461
00:23:19,918 --> 00:23:22,558
Speaker 1: And it's it's basically a fictional narrative to create a

462
00:23:22,598 --> 00:23:25,518
Speaker 1: market for a player. If you've been watching show a

463
00:23:25,598 --> 00:23:29,198
Speaker 1: Otani for the last six years, folks, it's not who

464
00:23:29,198 --> 00:23:33,078
Speaker 1: this guy is. Again, He's basically an introvert who loves

465
00:23:33,118 --> 00:23:33,878
Speaker 1: to play baseball.

466
00:23:34,038 --> 00:23:34,438
Speaker 2: That's it.

467
00:23:34,758 --> 00:23:37,358
Speaker 1: He's not going to do anything self serving as a

468
00:23:37,358 --> 00:23:40,158
Speaker 1: free agent that he hadn't been for six years. I

469
00:23:40,238 --> 00:23:43,878
Speaker 1: could not believe the criticism of Otani and the agent,

470
00:23:43,958 --> 00:23:47,438
Speaker 1: nez Bulelo, that they weren't running some you know, leak

471
00:23:47,478 --> 00:23:51,118
Speaker 1: fest if you will. It's not good for baseball. You know,

472
00:23:51,158 --> 00:23:53,518
Speaker 1: that's not his job as a free agent. His job

473
00:23:53,718 --> 00:23:56,238
Speaker 1: is as the agent to get his client the best

474
00:23:56,238 --> 00:23:57,998
Speaker 1: possible deal and to do it in a way that

475
00:23:58,038 --> 00:24:01,918
Speaker 1: the client wishes. And for Otani to have it be

476
00:24:01,958 --> 00:24:04,838
Speaker 1: a public spectacle, that's not who he is.

477
00:24:05,238 --> 00:24:07,838
Speaker 2: I just did not understand that criticism at all.

478
00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:11,038
Speaker 3: Well, and then I think this is driven by social

479
00:24:11,078 --> 00:24:16,598
Speaker 3: media as much as anything, because there's such a emphasis

480
00:24:16,798 --> 00:24:20,438
Speaker 3: on being the first one to report something. So that's

481
00:24:20,478 --> 00:24:22,958
Speaker 3: been my take Over the last several years, it's become

482
00:24:22,998 --> 00:24:26,358
Speaker 3: increasingly more important. It seems that whoever gets the credit

483
00:24:26,398 --> 00:24:30,158
Speaker 3: to be the first person reports something win somehow, and

484
00:24:31,318 --> 00:24:33,678
Speaker 3: of course more recently we've seen that there was some

485
00:24:33,798 --> 00:24:36,118
Speaker 3: kind of wrong information giving.

486
00:24:35,798 --> 00:24:37,878
Speaker 4: With all this. So that's the vehicle.

487
00:24:37,918 --> 00:24:40,078
Speaker 3: I think that drives us kind of a narrative regarding

488
00:24:40,198 --> 00:24:43,798
Speaker 3: criticizing show Ay and Nez, because yeah, you're right. I mean,

489
00:24:43,798 --> 00:24:46,158
Speaker 3: this is like so personal for me. You should be

490
00:24:46,158 --> 00:24:48,238
Speaker 3: willing to accept what the person or the group's willing

491
00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:51,438
Speaker 3: to share. There's no other it's there. They should be

492
00:24:51,478 --> 00:24:53,758
Speaker 3: he should be in control of this. Humanizations should be

493
00:24:53,798 --> 00:24:56,278
Speaker 3: in control of this. If they're more comfortable with more

494
00:24:56,758 --> 00:24:59,998
Speaker 3: information being put out there, fine, and if they're not, fine,

495
00:25:00,438 --> 00:25:04,078
Speaker 3: But I do that's the one part that I this

496
00:25:04,118 --> 00:25:06,558
Speaker 3: is my I don't know if it's just my personal opinion,

497
00:25:06,598 --> 00:25:09,998
Speaker 3: but I'd prefer not having that be part of the landscape.

498
00:25:10,118 --> 00:25:13,398
Speaker 3: Or it's so important it seems to be. There's almost

499
00:25:13,398 --> 00:25:16,318
Speaker 3: like a you get credit, get you get credit in school,

500
00:25:16,398 --> 00:25:18,598
Speaker 3: you get you know, you get a better degree. If

501
00:25:18,598 --> 00:25:20,838
Speaker 3: in fact, you're able to report something first, it just

502
00:25:20,878 --> 00:25:23,318
Speaker 3: means you might have more sources than somebody else. All

503
00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:27,478
Speaker 3: that means. But I think that's it, And to their credit,

504
00:25:27,518 --> 00:25:28,478
Speaker 3: they didn't cave under it.

505
00:25:28,638 --> 00:25:31,318
Speaker 1: That's a great point Joe, and I'll kind of flip that.

506
00:25:31,398 --> 00:25:33,358
Speaker 1: What you said is, you know, people looking to get

507
00:25:33,398 --> 00:25:36,718
Speaker 1: credit for basically being first. I get that it can

508
00:25:36,798 --> 00:25:39,998
Speaker 1: be wrong. I understand that completely. But what's missing here

509
00:25:40,078 --> 00:25:42,678
Speaker 1: is the flip side of that is that when you're wrong.

510
00:25:43,078 --> 00:25:45,918
Speaker 1: Remember when you were in school and you saw that

511
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:48,958
Speaker 1: ritting from your teacher on whether it's a math test

512
00:25:49,078 --> 00:25:51,918
Speaker 1: or an essay that you wrote. Man, all about you,

513
00:25:52,038 --> 00:25:55,438
Speaker 1: but those hurt. Man, You're being told no, that's wrong,

514
00:25:56,318 --> 00:25:58,878
Speaker 1: and you wanted to do better the next time. So

515
00:25:58,998 --> 00:26:02,438
Speaker 1: there was a price from making mistakes. In this case,

516
00:26:02,638 --> 00:26:06,118
Speaker 1: I think we've lost the price associated with being wrong.

517
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:08,718
Speaker 1: With things like this, people just like, uh oh, well

518
00:26:08,998 --> 00:26:12,758
Speaker 1: he was wrong. It was entertaining, you know, Shoey O'tani

519
00:26:12,918 --> 00:26:16,238
Speaker 1: never got on a plane to Toronto. How do you

520
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:20,238
Speaker 1: write that when the sources are saying can't confirm or deny,

521
00:26:20,358 --> 00:26:21,278
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't write that.

522
00:26:22,598 --> 00:26:24,478
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you miss that?

523
00:26:25,078 --> 00:26:27,918
Speaker 1: I get it that the race to be number one

524
00:26:27,998 --> 00:26:30,478
Speaker 1: to have something interesting, and Otani, as I said, is

525
00:26:30,518 --> 00:26:34,118
Speaker 1: the only true international star in baseball. So anything associated

526
00:26:34,118 --> 00:26:37,838
Speaker 1: with him, you realize, is going to be viral. His

527
00:26:38,078 --> 00:26:41,958
Speaker 1: name is going to get you more clicks period. Totally

528
00:26:42,038 --> 00:26:45,918
Speaker 1: understand that. But I think Joe, we've reached a point

529
00:26:45,918 --> 00:26:48,918
Speaker 1: where being wrong doesn't even matter.

530
00:26:49,238 --> 00:26:53,398
Speaker 3: That's awesome because that's true. And what happens is you

531
00:26:53,478 --> 00:26:55,398
Speaker 3: kind of alluded to it. It's just the big old

532
00:26:55,478 --> 00:26:57,958
Speaker 3: situation where you say, oh, my bad, my bad.

533
00:26:58,118 --> 00:26:59,278
Speaker 4: You know I was wrong.

534
00:26:59,358 --> 00:27:04,358
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on, but you don't even consider potential.

535
00:27:04,438 --> 00:27:06,478
Speaker 3: Heard it did for the person that you put in

536
00:27:06,518 --> 00:27:08,998
Speaker 3: that situation again, you say, did it?

537
00:27:09,038 --> 00:27:10,118
Speaker 4: Well? I understand.

538
00:27:10,158 --> 00:27:12,718
Speaker 3: I mean if I'm competing in a sense, and this

539
00:27:12,758 --> 00:27:16,358
Speaker 3: isn't a journalistic sense, yeah, I want to be ahead

540
00:27:16,358 --> 00:27:18,438
Speaker 3: of everybody else, of course I do, but not to

541
00:27:18,478 --> 00:27:21,198
Speaker 3: the point where I could be a little bit out

542
00:27:21,238 --> 00:27:25,798
Speaker 3: of control, not vetted enough. Again, as you describe that,

543
00:27:25,798 --> 00:27:28,478
Speaker 3: that's the part that's really dangerous. And then on top

544
00:27:28,518 --> 00:27:32,798
Speaker 3: of that, the speed of information today really encourages you

545
00:27:32,998 --> 00:27:35,838
Speaker 3: to attempt to be first even more, and then probably

546
00:27:35,918 --> 00:27:39,518
Speaker 3: encourages the potential to be wrong even more. You know

547
00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:41,158
Speaker 3: that better than I do. I'm just talking from a

548
00:27:41,198 --> 00:27:45,678
Speaker 3: distance right now, so I listen. The non vetic component

549
00:27:45,718 --> 00:27:48,558
Speaker 3: of social media is will always be a sticking point

550
00:27:48,598 --> 00:27:52,878
Speaker 3: for me where amateurs get to play professionals. And that's

551
00:27:53,318 --> 00:27:55,878
Speaker 3: the part that I don't know that you know, people

552
00:27:55,878 --> 00:28:00,558
Speaker 3: that really follow closely enough really step back and analyze

553
00:28:00,558 --> 00:28:02,678
Speaker 3: whether or not there is validation to what I'm reading

554
00:28:02,758 --> 00:28:05,518
Speaker 3: right now, or do I just accepted blindly. That's my

555
00:28:05,638 --> 00:28:08,158
Speaker 3: big concern with all of that. And then again, when

556
00:28:08,318 --> 00:28:13,038
Speaker 3: in a situation like with Showhay, the reports go sideways

557
00:28:13,278 --> 00:28:16,918
Speaker 3: wrong or or critical, like you talked about, just playing

558
00:28:16,918 --> 00:28:19,358
Speaker 3: critical based on you know, your own personal opinion, your

559
00:28:19,398 --> 00:28:22,638
Speaker 3: own personal perspective, which you have quite a podium for,

560
00:28:23,158 --> 00:28:25,678
Speaker 3: whereas the player or the in this situation, he does not.

561
00:28:26,358 --> 00:28:30,118
Speaker 3: And then and then how about he gets up and

562
00:28:30,198 --> 00:28:34,078
Speaker 3: apologizes for taking so long? And I would I would

563
00:28:34,078 --> 00:28:37,678
Speaker 3: bet that part of how that all came down motivated

564
00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:41,678
Speaker 3: him to think that he had to apologize for him

565
00:28:41,998 --> 00:28:44,078
Speaker 3: for in his mind and as his mind, doing the

566
00:28:44,158 --> 00:28:46,438
Speaker 3: right thing. That's that's where all this stuff, to me

567
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:49,638
Speaker 3: gets skewed. And that's where I really encourage people to

568
00:28:49,638 --> 00:28:52,078
Speaker 3: make up your own mind about what you see and

569
00:28:52,118 --> 00:28:55,598
Speaker 3: what you read. We're all influenced, Listen, We're all influenced.

570
00:28:55,598 --> 00:28:57,758
Speaker 3: So we always we all have a little bit of

571
00:28:57,798 --> 00:29:00,598
Speaker 3: a play reist in our lives because we get. We

572
00:29:00,678 --> 00:29:05,038
Speaker 3: learn in a sense and by other teachers, things that

573
00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:07,998
Speaker 3: we have read, observations we make based on our own

574
00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:10,638
Speaker 3: life experiences. I get that. But at the end of

575
00:29:10,678 --> 00:29:14,558
Speaker 3: the day, please, I might encourage everybody. I encourage my

576
00:29:14,598 --> 00:29:18,958
Speaker 3: players and I actually we're in the shirt today. No regurgitation.

577
00:29:19,118 --> 00:29:21,838
Speaker 3: Tell me what you think, not what you've heard. And

578
00:29:21,878 --> 00:29:23,838
Speaker 3: I think there's so many people that just have to

579
00:29:23,838 --> 00:29:26,238
Speaker 3: be able to regrigitate what they've heard because they really

580
00:29:26,318 --> 00:29:27,278
Speaker 3: don't know what they think.

581
00:29:27,998 --> 00:29:29,758
Speaker 1: I always love the way you put things in the

582
00:29:29,798 --> 00:29:30,918
Speaker 1: right context, Joe.

583
00:29:31,798 --> 00:29:32,758
Speaker 2: False narratives.

584
00:29:33,118 --> 00:29:36,878
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about one of Otani's former teammates now,

585
00:29:37,318 --> 00:29:39,998
Speaker 1: Mike Trout, and we'll get back to Otani in a minute,

586
00:29:40,038 --> 00:29:43,278
Speaker 1: but this also came up in the course of Otani's

587
00:29:43,278 --> 00:29:46,758
Speaker 1: free agency since the season ended. Mike Trout being traded,

588
00:29:47,438 --> 00:29:51,118
Speaker 1: completely false narrative has been out there, People ran with it.

589
00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:52,878
Speaker 2: People start making up fake trades.

590
00:29:53,278 --> 00:29:55,758
Speaker 1: Perry Mansian came out at the winter meetings and said,

591
00:29:55,758 --> 00:29:57,798
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, Mike Trout's not being traded.

592
00:29:57,958 --> 00:30:00,518
Speaker 2: You never was going to get traded, Joe. You told me.

593
00:30:00,518 --> 00:30:03,758
Speaker 1: Something about Mike where you you hit the nail completely

594
00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:06,438
Speaker 1: on the head with Mike, and that is all he

595
00:30:06,478 --> 00:30:10,238
Speaker 1: wants to do is please people, Please his family, please

596
00:30:10,278 --> 00:30:12,598
Speaker 1: his employer, please his teammates.

597
00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:13,758
Speaker 2: That's Mike Trout.

598
00:30:14,838 --> 00:30:17,918
Speaker 1: The only way Mike Trout is going to be traded

599
00:30:18,518 --> 00:30:20,438
Speaker 1: if he walked up to Artie Moraine and said get

600
00:30:20,438 --> 00:30:20,958
Speaker 1: me out of here.

601
00:30:21,478 --> 00:30:22,998
Speaker 2: There's no way Mike Trout's doing that.

602
00:30:23,598 --> 00:30:26,038
Speaker 1: This is a guy who sat in the draft room

603
00:30:26,038 --> 00:30:28,798
Speaker 1: in Secaucus for I don't know how long, but it

604
00:30:28,838 --> 00:30:31,478
Speaker 1: went through twenty one, twenty two teams, whatever it was.

605
00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:33,198
Speaker 2: Angels finally took him.

606
00:30:33,758 --> 00:30:37,078
Speaker 1: He has never forgotten that the Angels have taken care

607
00:30:37,118 --> 00:30:40,078
Speaker 1: of him with extensions twice, never allowing him to get

608
00:30:40,078 --> 00:30:42,758
Speaker 1: the free agency, and Mike was happy each time the

609
00:30:42,798 --> 00:30:45,958
Speaker 1: way he was treated. I you know, the idea of

610
00:30:45,998 --> 00:30:51,198
Speaker 1: Mike Trout being traded, there's a complete fabrication, complete false narrative.

611
00:30:51,278 --> 00:30:53,118
Speaker 1: People got a lot of miles out of it. But

612
00:30:53,198 --> 00:30:55,238
Speaker 1: that's the way the world works now. And then the

613
00:30:55,318 --> 00:30:57,398
Speaker 1: GM comes out and says the obvious one hundred percent

614
00:30:57,518 --> 00:31:00,398
Speaker 1: not being traded. But I'll give you credit, Joe, because

615
00:31:00,398 --> 00:31:03,558
Speaker 1: I think you nailed Mike and who he is so well,

616
00:31:03,678 --> 00:31:06,878
Speaker 1: this kid from New Jersey who still hangs out with

617
00:31:06,878 --> 00:31:07,918
Speaker 1: his high school buddies.

618
00:31:08,398 --> 00:31:09,838
Speaker 2: I don't think Mike's going to change either.

619
00:31:10,198 --> 00:31:10,958
Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with that.

620
00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:12,878
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, when you say a statement like that,

621
00:31:12,918 --> 00:31:15,198
Speaker 3: some people might think it's a negative. It's there's nothing

622
00:31:15,238 --> 00:31:17,438
Speaker 3: negative about that. I'm from up the road. I have

623
00:31:17,518 --> 00:31:20,158
Speaker 3: that those same kind of qualities about me, and I

624
00:31:20,198 --> 00:31:22,758
Speaker 3: think any good human being pretty much has those qualities

625
00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:26,278
Speaker 3: about them. And I think some of that bleeds to loyalty.

626
00:31:26,438 --> 00:31:30,438
Speaker 3: We're pleasing, there's a trust component, and there's definitely a

627
00:31:30,478 --> 00:31:34,518
Speaker 3: loyalty component to those that really are attempting to police

628
00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:38,238
Speaker 3: somebody else. Of course, you you you don't like the criticism.

629
00:31:38,278 --> 00:31:40,798
Speaker 3: Nobody likes criticism, so you can't even say that. But

630
00:31:40,838 --> 00:31:46,518
Speaker 3: I think that when somebody describes somebody as being kind

631
00:31:46,518 --> 00:31:49,198
Speaker 3: of like I describe my goal needing to.

632
00:31:49,158 --> 00:31:51,478
Speaker 4: Be like we all do. We all do.

633
00:31:52,558 --> 00:31:55,718
Speaker 3: But when you come from where he came from, small town,

634
00:31:55,798 --> 00:31:59,438
Speaker 3: small town values, You were raised, you were raised by

635
00:31:59,478 --> 00:32:00,438
Speaker 3: the entire community.

636
00:32:00,438 --> 00:32:01,478
Speaker 4: There's I was.

637
00:32:01,998 --> 00:32:03,878
Speaker 3: I still if I look at my window right here,

638
00:32:04,718 --> 00:32:07,398
Speaker 3: that's the golf course I used to play Michael jack

639
00:32:07,518 --> 00:32:10,798
Speaker 3: one in the nineteen seventies, and all of his buddies

640
00:32:11,958 --> 00:32:14,558
Speaker 3: and they had a great influence, sam Mee. You go

641
00:32:14,638 --> 00:32:16,278
Speaker 3: up the hill todays in high school. I lived right

642
00:32:16,278 --> 00:32:19,198
Speaker 3: across the street from that, and I used to just

643
00:32:19,278 --> 00:32:21,478
Speaker 3: literally walk across the street to get to school in

644
00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:24,118
Speaker 3: the morning, and all those teachers and coaches that were

645
00:32:24,158 --> 00:32:26,758
Speaker 3: in there heading an influence saw me and if I

646
00:32:26,838 --> 00:32:29,438
Speaker 3: run into them, there's still some around and they still do.

647
00:32:30,038 --> 00:32:33,958
Speaker 3: Mister Mussolin the other night here at the Valley Country

648
00:32:33,998 --> 00:32:36,278
Speaker 3: Club and then they needed a favor.

649
00:32:36,318 --> 00:32:39,478
Speaker 4: He needed a favor with his son in Milwaukee.

650
00:32:39,718 --> 00:32:42,478
Speaker 3: What do you do? You drop everything and you pick

651
00:32:42,558 --> 00:32:45,718
Speaker 3: up and you do that favor based on the people

652
00:32:46,278 --> 00:32:50,078
Speaker 3: that you are tied to, and you're based on your history.

653
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,678
Speaker 3: And you could say it's because you want to be liked,

654
00:32:52,958 --> 00:32:55,998
Speaker 3: and that's possibly true, and it's probably true, but there's

655
00:32:56,078 --> 00:32:58,878
Speaker 3: a loyalty component that you'll do anything for these people,

656
00:32:58,958 --> 00:33:01,958
Speaker 3: as you're talking about Michael. Michael will do anything for

657
00:33:01,998 --> 00:33:04,438
Speaker 3: these people, whether it's the people back Noble. I think

658
00:33:04,438 --> 00:33:07,078
Speaker 3: he's building his cool golf course down there, or like

659
00:33:07,118 --> 00:33:09,718
Speaker 3: you're suggesting that Artie was so good to him. Uh,

660
00:33:09,838 --> 00:33:12,118
Speaker 3: you asked me, I think before somebody did. Should Mike

661
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:16,118
Speaker 3: go walk into the office arties or Perry's and demand

662
00:33:16,118 --> 00:33:16,438
Speaker 3: to trade.

663
00:33:16,478 --> 00:33:18,838
Speaker 4: He can't do that. You can't even he can't even

664
00:33:18,838 --> 00:33:20,598
Speaker 4: imagine doing something like that. You don't do that.

665
00:33:20,638 --> 00:33:23,198
Speaker 3: You might walk you in and say, listen, what's going

666
00:33:23,278 --> 00:33:25,878
Speaker 3: on here? You know, I really want to win. I

667
00:33:25,878 --> 00:33:28,038
Speaker 3: want us to do better. What can I do to help?

668
00:33:28,078 --> 00:33:30,038
Speaker 3: What is the what are the plans? And those kinds

669
00:33:30,038 --> 00:33:34,038
Speaker 3: of things would be probably his tact, but not to demand.

670
00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:37,838
Speaker 3: And again I'm speaking for myself, Mike, as a major

671
00:33:37,918 --> 00:33:41,998
Speaker 3: league manager, my tact has been to try to participate,

672
00:33:43,118 --> 00:33:45,278
Speaker 3: and it has been to participate. I'm going to give

673
00:33:45,318 --> 00:33:47,998
Speaker 3: you my suggestion, and it's going to be straight up again.

674
00:33:48,038 --> 00:33:50,518
Speaker 3: That's that's not being disagreeable. You just asked me a question.

675
00:33:51,078 --> 00:33:52,758
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we all have

676
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:55,438
Speaker 3: to work off the same sheet of music and and

677
00:33:55,478 --> 00:33:57,958
Speaker 3: that's what he wants to do, and I cannot agree

678
00:33:57,958 --> 00:33:58,398
Speaker 3: with him more.

679
00:33:58,798 --> 00:33:59,918
Speaker 2: No, you nailed it again.

680
00:33:59,998 --> 00:34:03,758
Speaker 1: Jo dead on with with Mike Trout and the Angels

681
00:34:03,758 --> 00:34:04,358
Speaker 1: are trying.

682
00:34:04,438 --> 00:34:08,038
Speaker 2: I think they just really don't know how to win.

683
00:34:08,078 --> 00:34:10,158
Speaker 1: I think they want to win, they don't know how

684
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:12,438
Speaker 1: the process has worked to make it happen.

685
00:34:12,478 --> 00:34:13,638
Speaker 2: We'll see if that changes.

686
00:34:14,198 --> 00:34:16,198
Speaker 1: We are going to get back to show Aotani after

687
00:34:16,198 --> 00:34:19,078
Speaker 1: this break because we need to talk about what the

688
00:34:19,118 --> 00:34:22,478
Speaker 1: future holds. Is he going to pitch again? Can he

689
00:34:22,558 --> 00:34:25,598
Speaker 1: be an ace again? What about the Dodgers? Are they

690
00:34:25,838 --> 00:34:27,718
Speaker 1: the team to beat major League Baseball? What about the

691
00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:30,478
Speaker 1: Blue Jays who thought they had a really good chance

692
00:34:30,478 --> 00:34:34,398
Speaker 1: at show Hey, we'll dive into what's next right after this.

693
00:34:45,798 --> 00:34:48,198
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, I know the Dodgers aren't done. You know

694
00:34:48,278 --> 00:34:50,638
Speaker 2: that as well. It's all about pitching at this point.

695
00:34:51,038 --> 00:34:55,318
Speaker 1: And I was told that they're in on Yamamoto. They

696
00:34:55,358 --> 00:34:58,678
Speaker 1: love Sasaki, Roki Sasaki. If he's posted, I almost think

697
00:34:58,718 --> 00:35:01,158
Speaker 1: they'd rather have him than Yamamoto.

698
00:35:01,238 --> 00:35:01,838
Speaker 2: Yamamoto.

699
00:35:01,878 --> 00:35:04,398
Speaker 1: The number is gonna probably get near three hundre million

700
00:35:04,438 --> 00:35:06,918
Speaker 1: dollars or above, including a posting fee.

701
00:35:07,358 --> 00:35:09,998
Speaker 2: They're also in on Josh Hater to be their closer.

702
00:35:10,078 --> 00:35:11,078
Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes.

703
00:35:11,438 --> 00:35:14,598
Speaker 1: They are not putting resources at this point into offense,

704
00:35:14,998 --> 00:35:17,278
Speaker 1: and I looked at their outfield and thought, well, maybe

705
00:35:17,278 --> 00:35:20,278
Speaker 1: they could use a right handed bat to really platoon

706
00:35:20,398 --> 00:35:22,558
Speaker 1: with Jason Hayward and right field. Mookie Betts is going

707
00:35:22,558 --> 00:35:25,318
Speaker 1: to play second base. They're cool with the Inventoria hitting

708
00:35:25,358 --> 00:35:27,678
Speaker 1: they have. They have some good young right handed bats

709
00:35:27,678 --> 00:35:31,478
Speaker 1: coming up. Andy Pajs probably the biggest name there. And

710
00:35:31,518 --> 00:35:34,158
Speaker 1: we saw the way Josh Autman played center field and

711
00:35:34,158 --> 00:35:35,518
Speaker 1: broke through as a rookie this year.

712
00:35:35,958 --> 00:35:37,358
Speaker 2: Give credit for the Dodgers man.

713
00:35:37,398 --> 00:35:40,518
Speaker 1: That farm system just does not stop churning, and they're

714
00:35:40,558 --> 00:35:44,278
Speaker 1: loaded with good young arms. So yeah, the Dodgers to me,

715
00:35:44,678 --> 00:35:46,758
Speaker 1: once again, as they are every year team to beat

716
00:35:46,798 --> 00:35:49,318
Speaker 1: in the NL West, do they win a world championship?

717
00:35:49,638 --> 00:35:51,958
Speaker 2: I don't know who knows, Joe right, Yeah, I mean

718
00:35:51,958 --> 00:35:52,638
Speaker 2: it's hard to do.

719
00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:55,038
Speaker 1: But I think what we're looking at now is the

720
00:35:55,078 --> 00:35:57,398
Speaker 1: game used to always be about the haves and the

721
00:35:57,478 --> 00:36:01,358
Speaker 1: have nots. Right in terms of resources, we're looking at

722
00:36:01,398 --> 00:36:05,078
Speaker 1: now at a new game that has three levels to it.

723
00:36:05,878 --> 00:36:10,478
Speaker 1: You have the super teams, the super resources, the haves,

724
00:36:10,558 --> 00:36:13,838
Speaker 1: and the have nots. I would put the Dodgers and

725
00:36:13,918 --> 00:36:15,878
Speaker 1: the Mets in that category.

726
00:36:15,958 --> 00:36:16,678
Speaker 2: Unto themselves.

727
00:36:16,718 --> 00:36:20,278
Speaker 1: With payrolls pushing three hundred plus million dollars, the Yankees

728
00:36:20,318 --> 00:36:22,278
Speaker 1: could be there, and maybe when all is said and

729
00:36:22,318 --> 00:36:24,398
Speaker 1: done this winter after getting once or they will, But

730
00:36:24,438 --> 00:36:27,318
Speaker 1: the Red Sox are no longer in that category. Angel's

731
00:36:27,358 --> 00:36:30,118
Speaker 1: not in that category Cubs not in that category.

732
00:36:30,158 --> 00:36:32,878
Speaker 2: The Dodgers have moved the bar higher.

733
00:36:33,238 --> 00:36:33,398
Speaker 4: Now.

734
00:36:33,438 --> 00:36:34,638
Speaker 2: Listen, they did this on purpose.

735
00:36:34,798 --> 00:36:38,598
Speaker 1: They basically took the last fifteen months to create some

736
00:36:38,918 --> 00:36:42,278
Speaker 1: payroll space for showey Otani and they wound up getting him.

737
00:36:42,318 --> 00:36:42,838
Speaker 2: Good for them.

738
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:45,438
Speaker 1: It's a great plan and going forward, we'll see what happens.

739
00:36:45,838 --> 00:36:49,798
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think this team is loaded offensively. How

740
00:36:49,798 --> 00:36:56,918
Speaker 1: about Joe filling out a lineup bets O'tani, Freeman, Smith, Munsey.

741
00:36:56,838 --> 00:36:59,638
Speaker 2: On and on it goes. That's pretty darn good.

742
00:37:00,038 --> 00:37:02,038
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, they're gonna get more pigeoning

743
00:37:02,038 --> 00:37:03,838
Speaker 1: to add to the group of young pitchers they have coming.

744
00:37:04,358 --> 00:37:08,438
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, listen, I'm I'm thinking as a manager as

745
00:37:08,438 --> 00:37:11,238
Speaker 3: you're talking all that, not as running one of those teams.

746
00:37:11,278 --> 00:37:13,278
Speaker 3: But how do you play against them? That was my

747
00:37:13,758 --> 00:37:15,158
Speaker 3: you know, because I back in the day with the

748
00:37:15,198 --> 00:37:18,158
Speaker 3: Angel team with the Rays American League East coming up

749
00:37:18,158 --> 00:37:19,998
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, Hey,

750
00:37:19,998 --> 00:37:21,678
Speaker 3: you guys need to get out of the AL East.

751
00:37:22,038 --> 00:37:24,038
Speaker 3: There's no way the Rays could pete with the Yankees

752
00:37:24,038 --> 00:37:25,998
Speaker 3: and the Red Sox at that particular Junctu, they're spending

753
00:37:25,998 --> 00:37:28,438
Speaker 3: way too much money. You guys are spending forty million

754
00:37:28,478 --> 00:37:30,398
Speaker 3: a year, they're spending two hundred million year, whatever it

755
00:37:30,478 --> 00:37:33,478
Speaker 3: was at that particular time, And that's all I ever heard.

756
00:37:33,678 --> 00:37:36,958
Speaker 3: And listen, I'm guilty in naive. I have a naivete

757
00:37:36,958 --> 00:37:40,878
Speaker 3: about me sometimes. But I thought, why does money matter

758
00:37:41,038 --> 00:37:43,518
Speaker 3: for Pusk Gonna play a better game tonight? That was

759
00:37:43,558 --> 00:37:45,878
Speaker 3: my thought, and that was the thought I attempted to

760
00:37:45,878 --> 00:37:48,718
Speaker 3: sell to the players at the organization at any time

761
00:37:48,758 --> 00:37:51,318
Speaker 3: I was able to speak on TV or radio. So

762
00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:54,758
Speaker 3: the group that's not the supergroups that you've described, because

763
00:37:54,798 --> 00:37:57,398
Speaker 3: after all, the Diamondbacks were there this year, and you

764
00:37:57,478 --> 00:37:59,798
Speaker 3: could say that the Rangers are really good, but they

765
00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:01,878
Speaker 3: weren't there this year. I mean they were there this

766
00:38:01,998 --> 00:38:05,198
Speaker 3: year also, So some teams can like slip through the cracks.

767
00:38:05,238 --> 00:38:07,798
Speaker 3: And for me, if I'm running these other teams that

768
00:38:07,878 --> 00:38:11,238
Speaker 3: have to compete against these super teams, man, it's it's

769
00:38:11,318 --> 00:38:14,118
Speaker 3: so much about playing good baseball on a nightly basis.

770
00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:17,438
Speaker 3: That's where I think it's really important to develop your

771
00:38:17,478 --> 00:38:19,038
Speaker 3: own method, her own system of play.

772
00:38:19,278 --> 00:38:21,198
Speaker 4: Not unlike again with the Diamondbacks.

773
00:38:21,198 --> 00:38:23,358
Speaker 3: The d Backs went in there and they had some

774
00:38:23,438 --> 00:38:26,038
Speaker 3: nice young players, but not expected to do what they did,

775
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:29,398
Speaker 3: but they got there because their methodology was unique to them.

776
00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:32,278
Speaker 3: Was it was actually it was a combination of old

777
00:38:32,318 --> 00:38:34,758
Speaker 3: and new. They had power, they had speed, their pitching

778
00:38:34,798 --> 00:38:37,078
Speaker 3: came up at the right time. But that's where I

779
00:38:37,118 --> 00:38:39,038
Speaker 3: would have to focus right now, because I got to

780
00:38:39,038 --> 00:38:40,438
Speaker 3: beat the Dodgers.

781
00:38:40,478 --> 00:38:42,918
Speaker 4: I gotta beat the Mets, and how do you do that?

782
00:38:42,918 --> 00:38:45,478
Speaker 3: That's kind of interesting, actually, that to me would be

783
00:38:45,598 --> 00:38:47,198
Speaker 3: kind of fun to all the keys of the of

784
00:38:47,238 --> 00:38:50,198
Speaker 3: the other cars as opposed to the keys of the Mets,

785
00:38:50,278 --> 00:38:52,958
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, and if everywhere else you want to describe

786
00:38:52,958 --> 00:38:54,518
Speaker 3: as a super club, I even know if the Yankees

787
00:38:54,558 --> 00:38:58,998
Speaker 3: is based on salary. Whoever the superclubs are, I want

788
00:38:58,998 --> 00:38:59,758
Speaker 3: to play against them.

789
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:01,598
Speaker 4: That's what I want to do. I want to I

790
00:39:01,598 --> 00:39:05,718
Speaker 4: want to compete against the superclubs. And I really think

791
00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:06,798
Speaker 4: it's a.

792
00:39:06,398 --> 00:39:11,238
Speaker 3: Wonderful opportunity for those organizations to really focus on developing

793
00:39:11,518 --> 00:39:14,518
Speaker 3: who we are, how we do this, and really understand

794
00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:17,518
Speaker 3: on a nightly basis, it's up to our guys to

795
00:39:17,558 --> 00:39:20,998
Speaker 3: play a better game at baseball than their guys, independent

796
00:39:21,038 --> 00:39:21,838
Speaker 3: of dollars spent.

797
00:39:22,398 --> 00:39:23,998
Speaker 2: Man Joe, I love hearing that.

798
00:39:24,158 --> 00:39:26,398
Speaker 1: It's no surprise coming from you, that's why you were

799
00:39:26,398 --> 00:39:28,638
Speaker 1: such a great manager. You can boil it down to

800
00:39:28,758 --> 00:39:32,718
Speaker 1: that simple challenge if you will, but it's actually a reality.

801
00:39:33,358 --> 00:39:35,518
Speaker 1: When you talk about payrolls, it doesn't matter on that

802
00:39:35,598 --> 00:39:39,278
Speaker 1: particular night. Can we be better than that team? And listen,

803
00:39:39,318 --> 00:39:42,438
Speaker 1: go back. You mentioned this Arizona playing against the Dodgers

804
00:39:42,478 --> 00:39:45,718
Speaker 1: last year in the postseason. Huge difference in there one

805
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:48,638
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two game seasons, huge difference in their payrolls.

806
00:39:49,158 --> 00:39:51,438
Speaker 1: But with Brent strom As, they're pitching coach, and they

807
00:39:51,438 --> 00:39:56,118
Speaker 1: were able to execute a plan and they shut down

808
00:39:56,158 --> 00:39:58,758
Speaker 1: Mookie Betts, Freddy Freeman and that Dodger offense and took

809
00:39:58,758 --> 00:40:01,878
Speaker 1: three straight from him. So on a nightly basis, yes,

810
00:40:01,998 --> 00:40:04,518
Speaker 1: that's the great equalizer in this game. Talk all we

811
00:40:04,598 --> 00:40:07,238
Speaker 1: want about. You know, the game is tilted towards these

812
00:40:07,318 --> 00:40:11,238
Speaker 1: high revenue clubs. The great equalizer is the postseason. And

813
00:40:11,278 --> 00:40:13,878
Speaker 1: you'll see this in four or five years when baseball

814
00:40:13,918 --> 00:40:17,078
Speaker 1: expands adds two more teams will probably expand the postseason,

815
00:40:17,638 --> 00:40:19,518
Speaker 1: and people will say, well, how do you put the

816
00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:21,238
Speaker 1: brakes on the Mets and the Dodgers. You put the

817
00:40:21,278 --> 00:40:24,238
Speaker 1: brakes on those teams by strapping it on and going

818
00:40:24,238 --> 00:40:25,958
Speaker 1: in the best of five or best of seven.

819
00:40:26,398 --> 00:40:26,878
Speaker 2: That's it.

820
00:40:27,038 --> 00:40:30,238
Speaker 1: Short sample size is going to really I don't want

821
00:40:30,278 --> 00:40:33,318
Speaker 1: to say take out payrolls, but it'll mitigate the impact

822
00:40:33,318 --> 00:40:35,358
Speaker 1: of payrolls in a short series.

823
00:40:35,718 --> 00:40:38,598
Speaker 2: And that's the fun and that's the excitement of the postseason.

824
00:40:38,678 --> 00:40:41,398
Speaker 2: So the Dodgers are not guaranteed to win anything. I

825
00:40:41,518 --> 00:40:41,998
Speaker 2: like them in the.

826
00:40:41,958 --> 00:40:44,358
Speaker 1: Playoffs every year again for the next eleven years. Sure,

827
00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:47,118
Speaker 1: why not, especially if they expand. It doesn't mean they're

828
00:40:47,118 --> 00:40:48,638
Speaker 1: gonna be rattling off championships.

829
00:40:49,038 --> 00:40:51,278
Speaker 3: When I'm on the other dugout the other team that

830
00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:53,478
Speaker 3: maybe doesn't have as much money. I really think on

831
00:40:53,598 --> 00:40:55,878
Speaker 3: the on the front line, your frontline guys you have

832
00:40:55,878 --> 00:40:58,638
Speaker 3: done a good job, really have a chance to play

833
00:40:58,678 --> 00:41:00,718
Speaker 3: well against the other frontline guys that are getting paid

834
00:41:00,718 --> 00:41:01,198
Speaker 3: more money.

835
00:41:01,438 --> 00:41:03,278
Speaker 4: I think what it really shows up is in depth.

836
00:41:03,998 --> 00:41:09,238
Speaker 3: With depth, when you don't have as much money, there's

837
00:41:09,278 --> 00:41:11,558
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on you to not make mistakes,

838
00:41:11,598 --> 00:41:13,958
Speaker 3: whereas teams with a lot of money have less pressure

839
00:41:13,998 --> 00:41:16,758
Speaker 3: and not worry so much about making mistake, whether it's

840
00:41:16,758 --> 00:41:19,758
Speaker 3: a free agent acquisition, a trade that they might want

841
00:41:19,798 --> 00:41:22,238
Speaker 3: to make, whatever there is more, I think there's more

842
00:41:22,318 --> 00:41:25,118
Speaker 3: latitude to make mistakes. I think that's where money really

843
00:41:25,358 --> 00:41:28,318
Speaker 3: is a difference maker with all this. So if I'm

844
00:41:28,358 --> 00:41:30,918
Speaker 3: that team, and again I'm just continuing along that train

845
00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:33,598
Speaker 3: of thought, yeah, we could beat those teams. I really

846
00:41:33,638 --> 00:41:36,478
Speaker 3: believe we can't with this group that we've acquired and

847
00:41:36,518 --> 00:41:38,838
Speaker 3: accumulated put on the field. But while while we've done that,

848
00:41:38,918 --> 00:41:42,318
Speaker 3: I would really, oh my god, would I pay attention

849
00:41:42,398 --> 00:41:43,318
Speaker 3: to depth right there?

850
00:41:43,358 --> 00:41:44,878
Speaker 4: And I know it's not easy. I get it.

851
00:41:45,158 --> 00:41:48,758
Speaker 3: It's becoming more difficult with the with expansion, it's going

852
00:41:48,798 --> 00:41:51,438
Speaker 3: to become even more difficult. But again, this is why

853
00:41:51,438 --> 00:41:53,758
Speaker 3: it's so important to create your own methods. I think

854
00:41:54,558 --> 00:41:57,558
Speaker 3: that separate you from the other guys. And when you're

855
00:41:57,558 --> 00:42:00,478
Speaker 3: able to do that, that again could could keep you

856
00:42:00,558 --> 00:42:02,758
Speaker 3: playing latter part of the season, can permit.

857
00:42:02,518 --> 00:42:03,838
Speaker 4: You to beat these better teams.

858
00:42:03,998 --> 00:42:06,598
Speaker 3: So it's a combination of selling your guys on the

859
00:42:06,638 --> 00:42:08,878
Speaker 3: fact that we have to play better random baseball tonight,

860
00:42:09,398 --> 00:42:11,798
Speaker 3: and then from the front office perspective coming on down

861
00:42:11,838 --> 00:42:15,598
Speaker 3: to me, you just gotta be constantly focused on who's

862
00:42:15,838 --> 00:42:17,558
Speaker 3: who's our depth, who's coming next?

863
00:42:17,958 --> 00:42:19,478
Speaker 4: And I know the good teams do the same thing.

864
00:42:19,518 --> 00:42:24,238
Speaker 3: I get it, But I'm all about teaching and teaching

865
00:42:24,238 --> 00:42:26,078
Speaker 3: it in a way that I believe we're gonna play

866
00:42:26,158 --> 00:42:29,078
Speaker 3: better than they're gonna play tonight. We're gonna take different

867
00:42:29,158 --> 00:42:31,678
Speaker 3: risks or chances that they're not willing to take. The

868
00:42:31,718 --> 00:42:34,358
Speaker 3: real dangerous team is a really good team or expensive team.

869
00:42:34,678 --> 00:42:37,358
Speaker 3: So it goes out there and really plays it like

870
00:42:37,478 --> 00:42:39,598
Speaker 3: caution to the win. That goes out there and it's

871
00:42:39,678 --> 00:42:43,598
Speaker 3: not afraid of making mistakes and takes chances. Whether it's

872
00:42:43,638 --> 00:42:46,638
Speaker 3: on the basis you know, whether they might push a

873
00:42:46,638 --> 00:42:48,958
Speaker 3: pitch a little bit farther, I don't know. There's different

874
00:42:48,998 --> 00:42:51,518
Speaker 3: areas that you could take chances on it a nightly basis.

875
00:42:51,598 --> 00:42:54,678
Speaker 3: That makes you even more difficult to contain. This is

876
00:42:54,758 --> 00:42:56,998
Speaker 3: this is how I think when I'm looking at the

877
00:42:57,078 --> 00:42:58,958
Speaker 3: haves and the have nons, how do you beat them?

878
00:42:59,398 --> 00:43:02,878
Speaker 3: What it's important depth versus money, making mistakes or no mistakes,

879
00:43:03,198 --> 00:43:05,118
Speaker 3: and don't be afraid to take risks. This is how

880
00:43:05,158 --> 00:43:05,638
Speaker 3: I look at it.

881
00:43:06,198 --> 00:43:08,638
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me, you just describe the Houston Astros

882
00:43:08,878 --> 00:43:11,158
Speaker 1: and that's why they play over six hundred baseball in

883
00:43:11,198 --> 00:43:15,038
Speaker 1: the postseason. Talent plus they're not afraid to make mistakes

884
00:43:15,678 --> 00:43:18,238
Speaker 1: real quick Toronto Blue Jays. Their fans thought they had

885
00:43:18,238 --> 00:43:20,478
Speaker 1: this guy. They thought Otani was on a plane to

886
00:43:20,518 --> 00:43:23,678
Speaker 1: Toronto to sign a contract and play alongside Bogashett and

887
00:43:23,758 --> 00:43:25,838
Speaker 1: Lad Guerrero for the next couple of years before those

888
00:43:25,838 --> 00:43:28,398
Speaker 1: guys contracts are up. It didn't happen. I think they

889
00:43:28,398 --> 00:43:31,638
Speaker 1: were a legit contender. We talked about this last week.

890
00:43:32,198 --> 00:43:35,038
Speaker 1: I didn't think this was a complete stalking horse. But

891
00:43:35,118 --> 00:43:36,918
Speaker 1: to me, what it comes down to, Joe, is that

892
00:43:36,958 --> 00:43:38,758
Speaker 1: in these eleven years, the Dodgers have been in the

893
00:43:38,758 --> 00:43:39,718
Speaker 1: postseason every year.

894
00:43:40,158 --> 00:43:42,238
Speaker 2: The Blue Jays have been in the postseason five times.

895
00:43:42,758 --> 00:43:46,718
Speaker 1: Their farm system is ranked twenty fifth in baseball.

896
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:49,678
Speaker 2: You could be walking into another Angel situation.

897
00:43:49,798 --> 00:43:52,358
Speaker 1: If you're Showy Otani and you signed the next ten

898
00:43:52,438 --> 00:43:53,838
Speaker 1: years with the Toronto Blue Jays.

899
00:43:53,998 --> 00:43:54,838
Speaker 2: Is there an upside?

900
00:43:54,918 --> 00:43:58,478
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But look at track records as simple as that.

901
00:43:59,198 --> 00:44:02,758
Speaker 1: The possibility of playing in a World Series, of being

902
00:44:02,798 --> 00:44:04,798
Speaker 1: in the postseason every year is much higher with the

903
00:44:04,838 --> 00:44:07,998
Speaker 1: Dodgers than it is with Toronto blee Jays. So where

904
00:44:08,038 --> 00:44:09,718
Speaker 1: they go from here, I don't know. I give them

905
00:44:09,758 --> 00:44:11,838
Speaker 1: credit for getting in the game. They were in on Soto,

906
00:44:11,918 --> 00:44:14,998
Speaker 1: missed out on him. They got in on Otani missed

907
00:44:15,038 --> 00:44:17,438
Speaker 1: out on him. They still need a left handed bat.

908
00:44:17,638 --> 00:44:19,998
Speaker 1: Good luck finding another impact one.

909
00:44:20,198 --> 00:44:23,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. I do believe

910
00:44:23,238 --> 00:44:25,758
Speaker 3: they were viable. I do believe that was because I'm

911
00:44:25,758 --> 00:44:28,278
Speaker 3: just just trying to think as though show might think,

912
00:44:28,398 --> 00:44:30,638
Speaker 3: and I think that might have been interesting to him.

913
00:44:30,718 --> 00:44:33,478
Speaker 3: A whole new country, Like we talked about before a

914
00:44:33,598 --> 00:44:36,758
Speaker 3: team on the rise of fixing up the ballpark. One

915
00:44:36,838 --> 00:44:38,278
Speaker 3: thing I talked about. I don't think he would have

916
00:44:38,318 --> 00:44:40,398
Speaker 3: gone back east without a dome. I don't think he

917
00:44:40,438 --> 00:44:43,478
Speaker 3: wanted to contend with that kind of weather. The Los

918
00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:47,758
Speaker 3: Angeles Dodgers, the Los Angeles Angels, the Saniel Padres play

919
00:44:47,798 --> 00:44:50,558
Speaker 3: outside with a dome. It's just the weather's always that good.

920
00:44:50,878 --> 00:44:52,758
Speaker 3: And I thought that would be important to him too.

921
00:44:52,878 --> 00:44:54,878
Speaker 3: So I think at the end of the day, the

922
00:44:54,918 --> 00:44:58,478
Speaker 3: overarching overwriting factor was I want to go someplace that

923
00:44:58,478 --> 00:45:00,318
Speaker 3: they have a chance to win on an annual basis,

924
00:45:00,598 --> 00:45:02,518
Speaker 3: And part of that was to be to prove to

925
00:45:02,558 --> 00:45:05,318
Speaker 3: me that you've won in the past. So when I

926
00:45:05,518 --> 00:45:07,358
Speaker 3: would almost better, they're sitting down there in the room.

927
00:45:07,358 --> 00:45:08,718
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they're going all over

928
00:45:08,798 --> 00:45:11,478
Speaker 3: the pros and cons, and that had to really pop

929
00:45:11,598 --> 00:45:14,078
Speaker 3: up because that was so important the show to not

930
00:45:14,198 --> 00:45:16,958
Speaker 3: be caught up in another like you said, Angels organization

931
00:45:17,518 --> 00:45:19,398
Speaker 3: where there's a lot of hype, blood to talk all

932
00:45:19,398 --> 00:45:21,838
Speaker 3: the time, but nothing really happens where I think you

933
00:45:21,878 --> 00:45:25,118
Speaker 3: could have, Like you said, John, those comparisons with the

934
00:45:25,158 --> 00:45:28,278
Speaker 3: Blue Jays too. So yeah, at the end of the day,

935
00:45:28,718 --> 00:45:31,638
Speaker 3: what am I talking? Why am I even considering this?

936
00:45:32,318 --> 00:45:34,438
Speaker 3: I said, I wanted this, this is what I've been

937
00:45:34,478 --> 00:45:36,958
Speaker 3: looking for all along, and I'm gonna run away from

938
00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:40,238
Speaker 3: this Dodger team that permits me everything I'm looking for

939
00:45:40,838 --> 00:45:41,918
Speaker 3: in an attempt.

940
00:45:41,798 --> 00:45:43,758
Speaker 4: To rise or erase this other team up.

941
00:45:43,798 --> 00:45:46,798
Speaker 3: That was what I eventually thought, even though I was

942
00:45:46,838 --> 00:45:49,438
Speaker 3: touting the Blue Jays for a bit. But if you

943
00:45:49,518 --> 00:45:51,678
Speaker 3: really had listened to what he had said in what

944
00:45:51,758 --> 00:45:54,318
Speaker 3: you thought, Yeah, the Dodgers made the most sense.

945
00:45:54,918 --> 00:45:57,798
Speaker 1: And finally, to wrap things up, here we're talking about

946
00:45:58,118 --> 00:46:00,998
Speaker 1: I believe the most talented player to ever play this game.

947
00:46:01,558 --> 00:46:04,638
Speaker 1: No one has ever been a two way player for

948
00:46:04,718 --> 00:46:08,238
Speaker 1: this long. This will be showy Otani. In the last

949
00:46:08,238 --> 00:46:12,318
Speaker 1: three years, he is second among hitters in slugging. Only

950
00:46:12,358 --> 00:46:16,878
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge has a higher slugging percentage. He is so fast.

951
00:46:17,678 --> 00:46:21,078
Speaker 1: Only Ahmed Rosario has more triples. It's the same guy

952
00:46:21,358 --> 00:46:24,558
Speaker 1: second in slugging, second in triples, and oh, by the way,

953
00:46:24,758 --> 00:46:28,678
Speaker 1: when it comes to ERA, he's third. Only Max Freed

954
00:46:28,678 --> 00:46:31,598
Speaker 1: and Max Scherzer have a lower ERA. The same guy

955
00:46:31,678 --> 00:46:36,598
Speaker 1: who's second in slugging and his second in triples is

956
00:46:36,758 --> 00:46:37,638
Speaker 1: third in ERA.

957
00:46:37,958 --> 00:46:39,198
Speaker 2: We'll never see this again.

958
00:46:39,638 --> 00:46:42,398
Speaker 1: This contract is not applicable to anybody else, so don't

959
00:46:42,438 --> 00:46:44,798
Speaker 1: tell me if it's setting the bar for anybody. This

960
00:46:44,958 --> 00:46:47,798
Speaker 1: is the Unicorn and we should be sitting here today

961
00:46:48,198 --> 00:46:50,918
Speaker 1: saying this player, the most talented player to ever play

962
00:46:50,998 --> 00:46:54,798
Speaker 1: this game, put what's best for the Dodgers ahead of

963
00:46:54,798 --> 00:46:57,878
Speaker 1: what's best for himself. I'm sorry this This is a

964
00:46:58,478 --> 00:47:01,198
Speaker 1: magnanimous move by Otani. The fact that it was his

965
00:47:01,358 --> 00:47:03,838
Speaker 1: idea to defer so much money is a sign of

966
00:47:04,158 --> 00:47:08,318
Speaker 1: his humility, and I think instead of looking for ulterior

967
00:47:08,398 --> 00:47:11,878
Speaker 1: motives and hidden agendas, we should be celebrating this guy.

968
00:47:12,358 --> 00:47:15,838
Speaker 3: Yes, exclamation point one hundred percent on the money. Cannot

969
00:47:15,878 --> 00:47:18,318
Speaker 3: disagree with any of that, you know, in retrospectively, it

970
00:47:18,358 --> 00:47:20,078
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of it's obvious. I think we

971
00:47:20,118 --> 00:47:21,758
Speaker 3: have talked about a lot of this in advance of

972
00:47:21,758 --> 00:47:24,678
Speaker 3: it actually occurring. But again, when it's all wrapped up

973
00:47:24,678 --> 00:47:27,078
Speaker 3: in a nice little bow, that all makes sense. There's

974
00:47:27,118 --> 00:47:30,758
Speaker 3: there's there's nothing about it that isn't congruent. It's it's

975
00:47:30,798 --> 00:47:33,118
Speaker 3: as it should be, uh, in front of the way.

976
00:47:33,118 --> 00:47:35,278
Speaker 3: I mean you Andrew with the Dodgers. I know Andrew

977
00:47:35,398 --> 00:47:39,598
Speaker 3: very well, and I know some of his lieutenants too,

978
00:47:39,718 --> 00:47:41,718
Speaker 3: and of course the resources that they have.

979
00:47:41,998 --> 00:47:43,878
Speaker 4: He's very good too. It's sitting in the weeds.

980
00:47:43,918 --> 00:47:45,918
Speaker 3: He'll sit in the weeds and he's not going to

981
00:47:45,998 --> 00:47:49,878
Speaker 3: say anything either. And this whole time he's he's that bright,

982
00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:55,198
Speaker 3: his conversations are that intricate, and he's really grown over

983
00:47:55,238 --> 00:47:57,878
Speaker 3: the years and I'm very happy for him. So that's

984
00:47:57,918 --> 00:48:00,798
Speaker 3: another part that I think that the Dodgers had an

985
00:48:00,798 --> 00:48:04,158
Speaker 3: advantage with was the fact that Andrew was sitting the

986
00:48:04,438 --> 00:48:05,398
Speaker 3: orchestrating a lot of this.

987
00:48:05,998 --> 00:48:07,358
Speaker 2: That's a great point as well.

988
00:48:07,558 --> 00:48:10,438
Speaker 1: And think about it, the O Tommy basically fell into

989
00:48:10,478 --> 00:48:13,158
Speaker 1: the laps of the Angels, right, We didn't see that

990
00:48:13,198 --> 00:48:16,398
Speaker 1: coming back then, correct, Now he's essentially fallen into the

991
00:48:16,438 --> 00:48:18,598
Speaker 1: lap of the Dodgers. Not so much because we didn't

992
00:48:18,598 --> 00:48:20,558
Speaker 1: think that would be a fit. We've thought that all along.

993
00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:22,958
Speaker 1: But the fact that he went to the Dodgers and

994
00:48:22,958 --> 00:48:24,958
Speaker 1: said I'll play for you at two million dollars a year,

995
00:48:25,518 --> 00:48:27,558
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about falling into somebody's lap.

996
00:48:27,718 --> 00:48:28,478
Speaker 2: That is amazing.

997
00:48:28,558 --> 00:48:31,798
Speaker 1: And again I understand sixty eight million a year ten

998
00:48:31,878 --> 00:48:35,318
Speaker 1: years down the road, but the Dodgers can fund that

999
00:48:35,398 --> 00:48:38,918
Speaker 1: and will fund that with interest until they have to

1000
00:48:38,958 --> 00:48:40,558
Speaker 1: start writing those big checks for him.

1001
00:48:41,158 --> 00:48:44,358
Speaker 2: This is a huge win, a huge win for the

1002
00:48:44,518 --> 00:48:45,318
Speaker 2: La Dodgers.

1003
00:48:45,838 --> 00:48:48,158
Speaker 1: So in a way, yes, as a two million dollar

1004
00:48:48,238 --> 00:48:50,838
Speaker 1: year player, he fell into the laps of the Dodgers.

1005
00:48:51,518 --> 00:48:54,878
Speaker 1: So Joe, I know you already gave us a great

1006
00:48:54,958 --> 00:48:58,238
Speaker 1: saying there with the shirt you wore today, But you

1007
00:48:58,278 --> 00:48:59,878
Speaker 1: know me, I ask a lot out of you. I'm

1008
00:48:59,878 --> 00:49:01,798
Speaker 1: gonna ask for something else to take us home on

1009
00:49:01,838 --> 00:49:04,878
Speaker 1: this show. Hey, edition of the Book of Joe yea.

1010
00:49:04,918 --> 00:49:06,718
Speaker 3: And it's always about anticipation, right.

1011
00:49:06,878 --> 00:49:07,238
Speaker 4: We knew.

1012
00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:09,398
Speaker 3: I knew that Tommy wanted to talk about show today.

1013
00:49:09,398 --> 00:49:11,998
Speaker 3: I did know exactly which direction he wanted to take it.

1014
00:49:12,678 --> 00:49:14,998
Speaker 3: But again, I have to be prescient and then try

1015
00:49:14,998 --> 00:49:17,918
Speaker 3: to figure this out in advance. So we already touched

1016
00:49:17,958 --> 00:49:19,758
Speaker 3: on it. He said the word today. I've said it too.

1017
00:49:19,798 --> 00:49:22,398
Speaker 3: It's almost like Raucho marks the duck coming down with

1018
00:49:22,478 --> 00:49:24,038
Speaker 3: the word of the day on it, right, And this

1019
00:49:24,198 --> 00:49:29,758
Speaker 3: is effective. Altruism is about asking someone asking, how can

1020
00:49:29,798 --> 00:49:33,038
Speaker 3: I make the different the biggest difference I possibly can?

1021
00:49:33,478 --> 00:49:35,958
Speaker 3: How can I make the different biggest difference I possibly can?

1022
00:49:36,558 --> 00:49:38,878
Speaker 3: And that's all he thought, how can I make the

1023
00:49:38,998 --> 00:49:42,558
Speaker 3: biggest difference I possibly can in this entire scenario period?

1024
00:49:42,678 --> 00:49:45,958
Speaker 3: And so I believe he works from pure intentions, believe

1025
00:49:45,998 --> 00:49:49,998
Speaker 3: he has an altruistic spirit. I believe, yes, he's motivated

1026
00:49:50,078 --> 00:49:51,518
Speaker 3: by being the greatest of all time.

1027
00:49:51,558 --> 00:49:54,758
Speaker 4: I don't think that's narcissistic. That's just that's his drive.

1028
00:49:54,878 --> 00:49:55,558
Speaker 4: That's his drive.

1029
00:49:55,638 --> 00:49:57,438
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of great members of the

1030
00:49:57,558 --> 00:50:01,438
Speaker 3: human race that have benefited society just by being motivated

1031
00:50:01,438 --> 00:50:04,078
Speaker 3: to the point to be great or the best what

1032
00:50:04,118 --> 00:50:04,798
Speaker 3: they have done.

1033
00:50:05,078 --> 00:50:08,358
Speaker 4: So he just it's about how can they make the

1034
00:50:08,398 --> 00:50:09,798
Speaker 4: biggest difference possible?

1035
00:50:09,878 --> 00:50:11,798
Speaker 3: And that's when it all came down to him for him,

1036
00:50:12,318 --> 00:50:14,078
Speaker 3: and I think he thought it all the way through.

1037
00:50:14,118 --> 00:50:16,998
Speaker 3: He had probably some different thoughts. They weigh different, they

1038
00:50:17,118 --> 00:50:19,198
Speaker 3: weigh different organization.

1039
00:50:18,798 --> 00:50:20,478
Speaker 4: Cities at the end of the day.

1040
00:50:20,718 --> 00:50:24,198
Speaker 3: It became very obvious at the end and all roads

1041
00:50:24,238 --> 00:50:26,038
Speaker 3: pointed towards Chavez Ravine.

1042
00:50:26,358 --> 00:50:29,958
Speaker 1: That was fun, Joe, well said as always, and look

1043
00:50:29,998 --> 00:50:32,478
Speaker 1: forward to our next time chatting on the Book of Joe.

1044
00:50:32,638 --> 00:50:39,398
Speaker 4: Thanks Tomy, have a great day, buddy.

1045
00:50:40,078 --> 00:50:43,278
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1046
00:50:43,518 --> 00:50:48,478
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1047
00:50:48,598 --> 00:50:50,318
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