Speaker 1: What's dev' slip service. I'm answer like, yee, I'm JJ Maguire,
Speaker 1: I'm Jordie Jor, I'm Jazz and Brand, and I'm Devin
Speaker 1: simooney Man. This is the perfect time of the year
Speaker 1: for this because Devin Simone who is a match maker,
Speaker 1: relationship expert, all of the things you know her from TV. Also,
Speaker 1: we're so honored to have you here because this is
Speaker 1: a stressful time for some people when it comes to
Speaker 1: relationships and dating. So for clarity, who hear a single
Speaker 1: okay two of.
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, we need help.
Speaker 1: And Devin and we do want to say congratulations because
Speaker 1: I know you've been married for how long now.
Speaker 2: Like about a year and a half?
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you?
Speaker 2: Designed for myself.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people try to discredit, like if you're
Speaker 1: not married, they'd be like, oh, how are you offering?
Speaker 1: You know, how is that for you? Because people tend to.
Speaker 2: They do do that.
Speaker 3: And I say, you know, no one can help you
Speaker 3: get the ring better than I can, because I've got
Speaker 3: it multiple times your house.
Speaker 2: But I wanted it to be the right person.
Speaker 3: So I waited to actually get married and walk down
Speaker 3: the aisle with the right person. And I waited for
Speaker 3: my perfect person. But I think you know they're they're
Speaker 3: good dating experts and relationship experts who were just knowledgeable
Speaker 3: because we geek out on it.
Speaker 2: Like honestly, I.
Speaker 3: Love learning why we connect with certain people, how it
Speaker 3: changes every year. Like to me, that's just always been fascinating.
Speaker 3: So don't rule someone out just because they're single. But look,
Speaker 3: if they haven't been able to hold down a relationship
Speaker 3: for like decades, I might side eye them and not
Speaker 3: take their advice.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well so Gigi you're single now, yes, still,
Speaker 1: Gigi's been through a lot too, she's gotten a well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was engaged. We were engaged.
Speaker 4: We did see the jeweler, but I never got the ring.
Speaker 4: It only lasted sixty five days.
Speaker 3: Okay, the relationship okay, so it was like fire, very
Speaker 3: like Verry fat can happen.
Speaker 2: It's just as fast as that ended.
Speaker 1: What do you what are your thoughts about that, Devin?
Speaker 1: If you think about somebody meeting someone, some people will
Speaker 1: believe in love at first sight. Right, And like Gigi
Speaker 1: got engaged very quickly, like three days she came like
Speaker 1: I saw her, and then the next time I saw her,
Speaker 1: she was engaged to somebody we'd never heard of. That
Speaker 1: it was wild, But what do you think about that,
Speaker 1: Like if someone comes to you like I met this person.
Speaker 1: Three days later they're like, we're getting married.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's totally fine to have all the
Speaker 3: feelings but still take your time to actually move forward,
Speaker 3: which obviously you did and you saw some things.
Speaker 2: That ultimately you were like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Say, of the sparks, because sparks can lead to fire damage,
Speaker 3: Like people are looking for that, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, we felt it right away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the slow burn is good too, Like that's
Speaker 3: something that has longevity, so slow don't rule that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the lesson that I did learn.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, girl, that was cute and all, but
Speaker 4: take your time because it wasn't clearly wasn't right.
Speaker 2: This is a year ago.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's fun too, Like feeling like you just
Speaker 1: got head over heels into something. Maybe you're also getting
Speaker 1: over something else, and that can also get us to
Speaker 1: feel like this is you know, it's like a replacement situation.
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying being single for the most part, but I
Speaker 4: am start.
Speaker 2: Getting a little like bored.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't want to use the word lonely because
Speaker 4: you know, ain't nobody going to me?
Speaker 1: You can call someone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm bored, like I want you know, I
Speaker 4: want like the field.
Speaker 2: But do you are you bored?
Speaker 3: Like you want to winter cuddle buddy, you know someone
Speaker 3: that's just kind of like fun and that you to
Speaker 3: keep you occupied now or you like, I'm open because
Speaker 3: I want something.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to date with the purpose.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I want to date with like
Speaker 4: this is really going to probably end up in marriage. Okay,
Speaker 4: So then say that, don't stand bored because even putting
Speaker 4: that energy out there, it's like people who are going
Speaker 4: to come and just occupy your time and not add
Speaker 4: value to your time.
Speaker 2: Okay, already an I want three boyfriends a roster. I
Speaker 2: want a roster. Three is good.
Speaker 5: Numbers, like, just to balance me out a little bit.
Speaker 5: Because I was celibate for two years, so I wasn't dating.
Speaker 5: I wasn't really doing anything for a while two years basically, And.
Speaker 2: What led to that chort or like I was in.
Speaker 5: A situationship and I felt like I kept finding myself
Speaker 5: in situations where I was using my body in a
Speaker 5: way that didn't feel good to me, and so I
Speaker 5: was like, you know what, let me just cut the
Speaker 5: shit out and take a little breather and see what.
Speaker 2: I've never really been that.
Speaker 5: Thoughty, I like that word.
Speaker 2: It has never really been my thing.
Speaker 5: And so that's what I realized about myself, is that
Speaker 5: I get emotionally attached.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I could be a savage, but that's kind of
Speaker 2: where I'm at now.
Speaker 1: I want diverse, but with the same people.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be out here Thoughty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, a little rotation. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 2: totally valid too.
Speaker 3: And I think the best step is, like for anyone,
Speaker 3: recognizing where you are and what you're looking for and
Speaker 3: being clear about that. Something that so Tinder just did
Speaker 3: their year in swipe right and one of the things
Speaker 3: that they saw even in like dating bios we're calling
Speaker 3: it loud looking but sort of looking for was the
Speaker 3: top ranked thing that was mentioned in profiles this year
Speaker 3: versus say last year, where people are being clear about
Speaker 3: what this is what I'm looking for, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: I kind of want a roster, I'm looking for something
Speaker 3: long term, even if it's like I'm in a place
Speaker 3: that I'm not quite sure. They're just being communicative about
Speaker 3: that versus a year ago where situationships and ambiguity and
Speaker 3: being like I don't really know what I want was
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 2: Being clear? Yeah, it's like the first step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes people used to always say things like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it'll just find you, or if you're looking
Speaker 1: for it, it won't happen. People used to say, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's an old school type of thing, because
Speaker 1: now I always felt like dating, if you really know
Speaker 1: what you want and your intentional it is like looking
Speaker 1: for a.
Speaker 2: Job, that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you that. Yeah, it's like I gotta
Speaker 1: like really be clear these You gotta leave the house
Speaker 1: and look online. Dating is the same thing as like
Speaker 1: applying for jobs, and you might get some rejections. You
Speaker 1: might find some jobs, go on these interviews it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, or you might go and get hired.
Speaker 2: Yeah literally, or you might do hi, you might hire somebody.
Speaker 2: Never been on a dating.
Speaker 1: It, really I think you should try. I think you
Speaker 1: would love it.
Speaker 2: I mean seeking arrangements, but they don't really count. That's
Speaker 2: a dating app. It can be I don't find anybody
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: What about being intentional about that like, I just want
Speaker 1: somebody with a lot of money to take care of me.
Speaker 3: I mean again, be intentional, know yourself, know thyself, be true,
Speaker 3: and be honest about it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's totally valid and fine.
Speaker 3: And then you can move to move in a direction
Speaker 3: because you looking for intinctionality right now, since that's different
Speaker 3: than Jeordie wanting a roster, you're gonna move a little
Speaker 3: bit differently and how you're evaluating people and dating people.
Speaker 3: So it's also why it's important to kind of like
Speaker 3: speak it out loud and really know, like, all right,
Speaker 3: this is where we are, and if it changes in
Speaker 3: terms of what you want, that's totally okay too. But
Speaker 3: fifty percent of new relationships they just we actually I
Speaker 3: was just speaking with a clinical researcher, clinical psychologist, and
Speaker 3: they found that fifty percent of relationships now begin online.
Speaker 3: Like that it is, and people who are really imbursed
Speaker 3: out using online Like no one's still using a rotary phone,
Speaker 3: being like ah man, those cell phones, that technology, you'd
Speaker 3: look at them like what like where you what? Ha?
Speaker 2: So online dating is the same thing.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean it has to only be that people are
Speaker 3: still meeting in person, but opening yourself up to that
Speaker 3: also opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
Speaker 2: Right to meet your husband online.
Speaker 1: Very gay period.
Speaker 3: All the engagements came from online, So I'm just saying, well,
Speaker 3: there's three So what made you feel like?
Speaker 1: Okay? Like even in his profile, what made you say
Speaker 1: I'll go out with him?
Speaker 6: Ha?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So so he and I met online, probably like in
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, So I don't know what was the math
Speaker 3: like seven years ago, and I think it was what
Speaker 3: he wrote was kind of witty, like funny. He was
Speaker 3: cute in his photos, but guys also take weird photos
Speaker 3: online too, and he's a creative advertising so even now,
Speaker 3: so like once we reconnected an explant second, I like
Speaker 3: went through his profile just for fun and I was like, ew,
Speaker 3: I never would have swiped on this now, like your
Speaker 3: photos are awful. So but he had at least like
Speaker 3: two presentable ones that I was a good photo just
Speaker 3: for people. Listen to your face a guy, especially for
Speaker 3: men or women out at a social function is good.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 3: Can't be with your friends, but at least one maybe
Speaker 3: where you're dressed, you're at a wedding, you were at
Speaker 3: a friend's didn't birthday dinner or something like that with
Speaker 3: good lighting, that's a good one. A solo shot outdoors,
Speaker 3: just because outdoor lighting is the best natural lighting, and
Speaker 3: studies show that that tends to do really well, like
Speaker 3: with a lot of blue background. If you have pets,
Speaker 3: or like a particular hobby or activity, you like one
Speaker 3: photo that shows you doing that. You don't have to
Speaker 3: be dulled up in it, but it just shows because
Speaker 3: what you're doing is you're filling in the blanks with
Speaker 3: your photos, right, Like, there's only so much you can
Speaker 3: write on your profile. So instead of being like I
Speaker 3: like to try things and I like animals, show a
Speaker 3: picture of you with animals, or show a picture of you,
Speaker 3: you know, doing painting or hiking or doing whatever the
Speaker 3: thing is, and make sure you're like at least laughing
Speaker 3: in one or something like just that you don't take
Speaker 3: yourself so sick of me.
Speaker 5: I want you to do an audit of my I
Speaker 5: would eating okay, And you say it doesn't really say anything.
Speaker 2: I'm really bad at bio.
Speaker 3: Wait, it isn't anything at all. Hold on, let me
Speaker 3: see she pulls that up. Let me see what's going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So whilst he's looking at that. What's some advice
Speaker 1: you would give for somebody's bio.
Speaker 2: There's no ex uses. Now.
Speaker 3: First of all, there should be one chat GPT is
Speaker 3: free claude AI, which I prefer. It's more conversational. You
Speaker 3: can also use for free. You can put in some
Speaker 3: bullet points about yourself and say, I and my name
Speaker 3: is blah blah blah. I am thirty six, I live here,
Speaker 3: I am trying to track this, this and this.
Speaker 2: I like, uh, you know dogs, I work in radio.
Speaker 2: I da da da. My friends describe me of this.
Speaker 3: Write me a compelling, short, witty bio, give me some options,
Speaker 3: and then it'll keep doing. You can even pull some
Speaker 3: of your favorite lines from each of the options it
Speaker 3: gives you and create to customize.
Speaker 2: But you don't have to do any of.
Speaker 1: The thinking, Okay, you're doing it's really that.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I'm seeing I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: It all by doing it. It's so cute and dope.
Speaker 1: I think any guy would be so excited to end
Speaker 1: up on a date with Jordan.
Speaker 2: You would think so.
Speaker 5: So it says my job obviously, because you have to
Speaker 5: put that in there, and then it just says about
Speaker 5: you for your job. It says DJ, nonprofit co founder,
Speaker 5: a music loving potato enthusiast, and then it says I'm
Speaker 5: a straight woman interested in women and men, though I'd love.
Speaker 2: To connect with anyone because it has both men and women.
Speaker 2: Did you guys feel confused by what she? I feel
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know she wanted to date a potato.
Speaker 2: I mean that it was the love of my life.
Speaker 1: So I didn't based. I didn't.
Speaker 6: It didn't match to me what you what you like,
Speaker 6: who you are yea, who you are, and what you
Speaker 6: say and then what you're looking for?
Speaker 2: To me, it didn't okay, how how would I like?
Speaker 2: What should I shift? I actually liked your first line
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny. And even if it does,
Speaker 3: that part doesn't make sense. It stops you in your potato.
Speaker 3: And those are all great first line, like for people
Speaker 3: thinking what would I say to that?
Speaker 2: That's those are all first lines.
Speaker 3: It was the rest that got confusing, of like, you
Speaker 3: literally contradict yourself because you go out a straight woman
Speaker 3: but looking to meet anyone and so and in what
Speaker 3: content and what capacity? Like, all of that starts to
Speaker 3: get confusing. So I focus on one other thing about
Speaker 3: you that is that really does show or reflect kind
Speaker 3: of you or your personality.
Speaker 2: So leave the potato line. I think it's funny.
Speaker 3: But then just something about like, you know, passionate Like
Speaker 3: you mentioned you have a nonprofit, so like passionate about
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the causes or enjoy doing X. And
Speaker 3: then write something that gets you excited in a potential
Speaker 3: like partner or rostermate. So be like bonus points if
Speaker 3: you know how to blank, or if you're good at this, or.
Speaker 2: You know, you might catch my eye if you do that.
Speaker 3: So you're kind of like teased dangling a little bit
Speaker 3: so that they can come for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it perfect?
Speaker 1: We like that not yeah, because and I think there's
Speaker 1: so many things that you know, you're very close to
Speaker 1: your father. I think that's you know, that's always a bonus.
Speaker 1: I think it matters a lot how people interact with
Speaker 1: like family and you know, so I always look at
Speaker 1: that as a plus if somebody I love when people
Speaker 1: have like great relationships with you know, I always think
Speaker 1: it's a red flag if they don't.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We were talking about this today, which is funny on
Speaker 3: the Today Show about if that's a flag or not.
Speaker 3: I agree it's always better when they're close with their family.
Speaker 3: But I do think you have to make space for
Speaker 3: the fact that not everyone grew up with a supporting,
Speaker 3: a supportive or loving you know, and so and as
Speaker 3: we move into a place of personal growth and we
Speaker 3: get older, and I feel like when we were younger
Speaker 3: in our parents' generations, there's a little bit of toxicity
Speaker 3: where it's like you stick beside.
Speaker 2: Them no matter what happened.
Speaker 3: And now we've come to a place that like, I
Speaker 3: can love you, but I may need to do so
Speaker 3: from a distance if you weren't healthy for me. So
Speaker 3: be careful and using a broad brush to like for
Speaker 3: anyone like fine, doubt the why behind maybe why they
Speaker 3: have the dynamic with their family, because yeah, because my.
Speaker 1: Mom used to be like, the first time I heard
Speaker 1: your father yeo was the day we got married. And
Speaker 1: then she was like, we would the whole family when
Speaker 1: we would come there, they would all be like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: here he comes. So it always was kind of something
Speaker 1: that's stuck in my head, you know, when she did
Speaker 1: say that, sorry, Dad, I know he listens. Now I
Speaker 1: want to ask you some other questions. Okay, so how
Speaker 1: do you know when it's time to give someone a chance,
Speaker 1: even though they may have had a rocky pass, Like
Speaker 1: we all know the person who Maybe people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was a cheater, He's always going to be a cheater.
Speaker 1: Maybe you start dating somebody and somebody sends you a
Speaker 1: message like, girl, he used to date my friend and
Speaker 1: he was, you know, awful. Right, So what do you
Speaker 1: do in that case, because you do want to make
Speaker 1: sure you have your guard up a little. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you can't take somebody else's experience, you know,
Speaker 1: and run with that. But then maybe you're ignoring something
Speaker 1: that could really be like a we try to tell
Speaker 1: you because we see it happen all the time.
Speaker 2: That's a really good question.
Speaker 3: One thing I'd say is probably look at look at
Speaker 3: the signs outside of you. Right, So if they're saying
Speaker 3: they're changed person, how are they moving through the world,
Speaker 3: just in how they treat women? For example, in general,
Speaker 3: do they seem like they're a respectful person consistently, not
Speaker 3: only to the woman they're trying to woo in that moment,
Speaker 3: but like in general, that's a good sign. Ask him
Speaker 3: about ask him about his past relationships, be like, what
Speaker 3: did you learn from that relationship because that helps. You're
Speaker 3: now giving him all the tools to see where he
Speaker 3: paces places the blame what he says about it. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not like, well why didn't you work out with her?
Speaker 3: Why'd you cheat on her? It's just what did you learn?
Speaker 3: And if he's like, well, she did this, and she
Speaker 3: did that, and she did this, and there's nobility accountability,
Speaker 3: like but if he's like, you know what, back then,
Speaker 3: I wasn't really sure because for probably most of us here,
Speaker 3: there's someone in our past who be like, they're terrible,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like they broke my heart,
Speaker 3: they did this, or they whatever, And we had our
Speaker 3: reasons for doing what we did, so it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: make us bad.
Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily make this other person bad.
Speaker 3: But if they if they keep, if the way that
Speaker 3: they speak and the way that they move outside of
Speaker 3: how they are directly towards you is still consistent with
Speaker 3: all the negativity you're hearing, then they probably haven't outgrown that,
Speaker 3: and you probably you know, should look but not touched now.
Speaker 1: This year is wipe list in particular. Jordan and I
Speaker 1: have a really big issue, yes with something on this list.
Speaker 1: All right, So the years wipe is basically tender talking
Speaker 1: about the dating transfer twenty twenty four, what's ahead for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five? Now one part of this seed all
Speaker 1: over your face and said the most attractive users star
Speaker 1: signs in twenty twenty four to men, and for some
Speaker 1: reason for men and women, Capricorn was last on the list.
Speaker 2: We were the bottom of every zodiocracy.
Speaker 1: Everything else was kind of on point. But then we
Speaker 1: saw that and it made us question.
Speaker 2: This wholes.
Speaker 1: It was given before us. Know you were and enough
Speaker 1: gem and I was most attractive two men. We're crazy.
Speaker 1: I like that apparently, But how important is and we're
Speaker 1: not placing no importance on this particular list, but how
Speaker 1: important do you think astrology is? And have you been
Speaker 1: a person Devin who has been like, okay, well, oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't date that sign.
Speaker 3: I've never intentionally said I don't date a sign, but
Speaker 3: I will say in all my dating history, when I
Speaker 3: started to look at it, there were a lot of
Speaker 3: clusters of similar sign like a lot of people born
Speaker 3: within the same like two or three weeks here and
Speaker 3: the same, never intentionally, so there's got to be something
Speaker 3: around what you're like drawn to. Now you know those persons.
Speaker 3: People worked out and I ended up marrying a Gemini.
Speaker 3: And I had been warned about what a Gemini means.
Speaker 3: It's going on wars. And you know, while I think
Speaker 3: that he has, like there's multiple sides to him just
Speaker 3: in terms of like his interests, like he can you know, uh,
Speaker 3: there's a lot that he can do. You can kind
Speaker 3: of take him anywhere. He's an adaptable person.
Speaker 2: He's not he's you know, he's pretty straight. I'm totally
Speaker 2: crazier than he is. And that's how people.
Speaker 3: But I never dated a Gemini before him and that
Speaker 3: and he was like, he's my person through and through.
Speaker 4: That seems to be the cluster of what I've dated
Speaker 4: as a Gemini, like most of my significant relationships have been.
Speaker 3: So maybe move away from the like experiment with out
Speaker 3: of the cluster.
Speaker 2: Get yourself a Scorpio or something wild, maybe a virgo.
Speaker 4: I've had that I really liked.
Speaker 2: The guy on the top of my list right now
Speaker 2: is just.
Speaker 4: Said to terrorists, the terrorists, but you know there's fiance,
Speaker 4: so you try to move out your comfort zone.
Speaker 1: But you know, this Capricorn thing is still really.
Speaker 3: Traveling with these Listen, this is just data, So this
Speaker 3: isn't even like, oh this is That's one of the
Speaker 3: best things about tender right.
Speaker 2: It's the largest eating from the world, so the data
Speaker 2: is speaking. Halpercorn is the most rare sign. So maybe
Speaker 2: it's just because.
Speaker 1: There's yeah that you know.
Speaker 3: That's probably why I'm glad you guys found a way
Speaker 3: all right now.
Speaker 1: Another thing we wanted to ask about is unique dates.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this before you got here, and
Speaker 1: I know there are some things on here. Kiss met right,
Speaker 1: kiss met, So it's like destiny or face spontanatey. We
Speaker 1: wanted to ask about in this room, what has been
Speaker 1: the most unique spontaneous date that you've ever been on
Speaker 1: that you can think of off the top of your head.
Speaker 1: Maybe it did or it didn't work out, but it's
Speaker 1: still as cute because I think people are always looking
Speaker 1: for ideas too, something different to do. What about Let's
Speaker 1: start with your Devin.
Speaker 3: Let's see my interesting because I need it. I've lived
Speaker 3: lives before my married life, and I think one of
Speaker 3: them is like hopped on a plane to Toronto, just
Speaker 3: like like pack a bag, let's go spent the weekend there,
Speaker 3: had a really great time. It was my first time,
Speaker 3: I was like twenty one, so it was my first
Speaker 3: time going to Toronto and then flew back the next
Speaker 3: day and it was just like a vibe. And then
Speaker 3: that same person we like went to hopped on a
Speaker 3: plane to Barbados, and then we crashed a wedding that
Speaker 3: Katy Perry was performing at.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, and it was, you know, a good question.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was at the time, it
Speaker 2: was good.
Speaker 3: Well, so we crashed the know weren't invited to the wedding,
Speaker 3: but it was his like people he knew were working it,
Speaker 3: like were the security for it. However, I was recognized
Speaker 3: as not being on the guest list. I think I
Speaker 3: got too close to the stage and then at a
Speaker 3: s we had to dip out of the wedding before
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I don't feel like I know this
Speaker 2: not a hell of a performance.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 4: You no, but the whole travel, like the spontaneous travel
Speaker 4: is definitely Gemini energy.
Speaker 2: But that's what I wanted from one of my boyfriends.
Speaker 1: But what have you had, Jodie, Joe hasn't been your
Speaker 1: most unique spontaneous date.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think the bathhouse one is probably It's a unique
Speaker 5: date I went on that I can think of clearly.
Speaker 5: None of the other ones were noticeable because I don't
Speaker 5: even remember.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was That.
Speaker 5: Was vibe because you're kind of really just literally stripped
Speaker 5: down and just no makeup, just raw and like there's
Speaker 5: no you're not allowed to have your.
Speaker 2: Phone, so you really are just dialed in and it's
Speaker 2: pretty intimate. Yeah, so that was That was good. It
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you jazzy jazz Jazmine brand I.
Speaker 2: Think salsa dancing. This guy was dating.
Speaker 6: We were really Yeah, this guy, I was in my twenties.
Speaker 6: This guy we went, he took me sausa dancing. He
Speaker 6: was like a regular black dude too. It was fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was dance and it was fun.
Speaker 2: It's different.
Speaker 1: That's something that you would think of normally.
Speaker 4: What about I don't know if this really counts as
Speaker 4: a date, but I met a guy at the airport
Speaker 4: and we ended up being on the same flight as
Speaker 4: that was delayed, and we like had lunch while we.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cute, as that's exactly it's like leaning into
Speaker 3: the just kind of like we're here. It's it's literally
Speaker 3: like the Hallmark movie that people say that they want
Speaker 3: or like the meet cute. It's like leaning into the
Speaker 3: moment and just recognizing, like being spontaneous.
Speaker 2: So that's exactly what that's cute.
Speaker 1: It made it like a fun delay.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. Yeah, and we ended up going out
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 3: It didn't really go anywhere, but but that's like creating opportunity,
Speaker 3: that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a few good ones. I remember one
Speaker 1: guy took me horseback riding and to eat on the
Speaker 1: beach in New Jersey, like on our first date, which
Speaker 1: was nice because it's not something I would have especially,
Speaker 1: and they look like a restaurant on the beach and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is fun, cute, easy, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we saying duets the whole way
Speaker 1: back from the beach in the car.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: That I want to ask, what would make you never
Speaker 1: go out with somebody again? Like the day was that
Speaker 1: bad that you were like.
Speaker 2: Needing rude to like the servertender.
Speaker 4: Rude or too frugal, too frugal, Yeah, like if you
Speaker 4: were a bad tipper, But how do you know.
Speaker 1: Because you can't check the tip right like sometimes you could.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I'm just hoping that he was a good tipper,
Speaker 6: because it's hard.
Speaker 1: And sometimes what I like to do if I'm not
Speaker 1: sure is when they walk away, I throw some cash
Speaker 1: on the table, just to leave a little extra just
Speaker 1: in case, because I don't be knowing you don't cover
Speaker 1: your fass. Yeah, and I also like tip really nice
Speaker 1: and so I always like to do that just because
Speaker 1: or I like to say I'll leave the tip. That
Speaker 1: way I get to see the bill and lead the tip,
Speaker 1: and then I feel more comfortable. No, I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that i'll leave the tip.
Speaker 3: I like that I'm not paying for anythingstand that fair fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving immediately. I'm not even sitting down.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not doing that. I'm actually saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't fifty fifty. But I might be like, well, I'll
Speaker 1: leave the tip just because I also like really over
Speaker 1: tip and so, and I don't know that everyone does that,
Speaker 1: and I think some people aren't also good at the math.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of times it'll say it on there,
Speaker 1: but sometimes people don't be knowing, Like.
Speaker 3: You're trying to do that real quick, and it's dark
Speaker 3: in their teeth and you're trying to right right. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think anyone who's expecting for first dates, second date.
Speaker 3: If you're looking if you asked the person out on
Speaker 3: the date and then you're looking at them to go
Speaker 3: into their wallet, that's a note for me.
Speaker 1: But if you're a woman and you ask the guy out.
Speaker 2: I still think he should be trying to.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think you know, you can expect,
Speaker 3: and I think like, look after like the third day,
Speaker 3: I think it's and things are going well. I think
Speaker 3: it's great for her to step up and be like,
Speaker 3: let me get this one. Let me whether it's pay
Speaker 3: for the cabs, whether it's pay for the activity.
Speaker 2: Because because it goes a long way.
Speaker 3: Look, i'm gonna tell you how to get a roster,
Speaker 3: tell me and I'm gonna tell you how to get
Speaker 3: it so that every ring that comes your way gets
Speaker 3: bigger each time.
Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, part of that goes even.
Speaker 3: Dudes with a ton of money, Dudes with a ton
Speaker 3: of money but have self worth are going to be
Speaker 3: looking for the woman who feels like she wants to
Speaker 3: step up as a partner. So it doesn't mean they're
Speaker 3: expecting her to be fifty to fifty, but they are
Speaker 3: keeping like keeping tally of does she expect me to
Speaker 3: do everything, and then you get one of two things.
Speaker 3: The dude with self worth will leave or the dude
Speaker 3: who's looking for an imbalance to power will stay. And
Speaker 3: you don't really want that, so you contributing on date three,
Speaker 3: even if it's just like the cab fair, Like we know,
Speaker 3: dinner's gonna cost any more than the cab fair, but
Speaker 3: it's showing that you're like appreciative, that you aren't looking
Speaker 3: to solely reliance when else and it just goes so
Speaker 3: far and like them than wanting to do ten more
Speaker 3: because in their mind they're like, okay, cool, she's not
Speaker 3: looking to just take advantage of me, like she genuinely likes.
Speaker 5: I feel like, I don't know if I'm ever going
Speaker 5: to get to the point where the date thing paying
Speaker 5: for it. But I'm like no, no, no, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 5: more of.
Speaker 2: A gift giver.
Speaker 5: So I show my appreciation if, like on the first date,
Speaker 5: you mentioned like a book or something like I'll bring
Speaker 5: you the book, okay, or I've gotten men's like nice
Speaker 5: ties or things like that, I show gratitude, and I'm
Speaker 5: like I was born on Christmas, so yes, naturally, but
Speaker 5: I don't know to me even friends wise, like if
Speaker 5: I know I have more money than someone and we're
Speaker 5: out to dinner, like I'm going to take care of it, right,
Speaker 5: just know, just you don't like, well, I think it's
Speaker 5: like a close relationships relationship. I know that reversed biology
Speaker 5: when earlier let's go ahead, you when you do a
Speaker 5: little something small so they could do something bigger return.
Speaker 6: And I was telling Angela I went on a date
Speaker 6: at one point with this guy that had a lot
Speaker 6: of money, and first we went to the movies and
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm gonna go get his drinks or whatever,
Speaker 6: because I you know whatever he goes down, and so.
Speaker 2: We went to dinner.
Speaker 6: We did stuff after that, but he was like saying, like,
Speaker 6: no girls ever got me drinks before and made him
Speaker 6: do his caked up and he was like I just
Speaker 6: I said, well what I said, I was thirsty, Like
Speaker 6: you know what am I to do? He's like, I
Speaker 6: was like, what do women do? He's like they wait
Speaker 6: for me to give him a card or something, and
Speaker 6: he was like that's never happened to me, like and
Speaker 6: I was just like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Like that was a big deal for him.
Speaker 6: Obviously he had it and we had dinner, and he
Speaker 6: spent way more, but it was like a big deal
Speaker 6: for him because I guess women.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of exactly and I get it
Speaker 3: to a little thing, and I get you have your
Speaker 3: way of doing things, but be careful letting the way
Speaker 3: that you been doing things keep you stuck from like
Speaker 3: advancing to other things, because she's even corroborating.
Speaker 2: Like do because that does not happen.
Speaker 3: And it may be a dude who's like even as
Speaker 3: thoughtful as the gift is, I don't need more stuff
Speaker 3: in my apartment in order or like I don't need more,
Speaker 3: but you just showing that like in that moment, Oh,
Speaker 3: I got here a little early. I got us a
Speaker 3: round of drink, and you close out that tab, like
Speaker 3: just get the one round to drink and close it out.
Speaker 3: But just that I'm telling you creates a lifetime, can
Speaker 3: create a lifetime of investment where they're just like cool.
Speaker 2: I do for her.
Speaker 3: I want to do for her because I feel like
Speaker 3: she's not trying to use And.
Speaker 6: I also feel like it lets them know you got
Speaker 6: it too, like like I could take I got.
Speaker 3: This, and it takes away that balance of power thing
Speaker 3: right where it's like I don't have to spend it,
Speaker 3: but I got it.
Speaker 1: Right right, So whatever other red flags for you guys, rudeness,
Speaker 1: not tipping, what else? I had a guy on a
Speaker 1: first date. He took me out and we went to
Speaker 1: a really nice best staurant. But then he wanted to
Speaker 1: go do karaoke. But he could sing. For real, you
Speaker 1: don't like that, so it's like peppe, Yeah, well, first
Speaker 1: karaokees for people who can't sing that it's literally held
Speaker 1: a rap song. So look, So he was up there
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because like we were in
Speaker 1: Koreatown and so where they have like a bunch of
Speaker 1: karaoke places, and so people were like watching him perform.
Speaker 1: I was like, so then he asked me to pick
Speaker 1: a song, so I made him do thong song because
Speaker 1: I thought it would just be funny, and he was,
Speaker 1: for real like she's got pup okay, yeah that way.
Speaker 1: So I was like irritated by that. But the thing
Speaker 1: that I really didn't like was he had a he
Speaker 1: had like a nice car, and he was so pressed
Speaker 1: about where he was going to park his car. Like
Speaker 1: first he parked and then he was like walking around
Speaker 1: the back of the car, like this car too close
Speaker 1: to mine. I don't know, I don't want to the
Speaker 1: car to a bigger spot. And I'll say this is ridiculous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the way I am in my car, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get sketched up. I mean yeah. That kind
Speaker 1: of made me feel I was just kind of irritated.
Speaker 1: And then he sent me a long email like why
Speaker 1: are you not you know, because I didn't communicate email.
Speaker 1: But it was only one day.
Speaker 2: Okay, your voice.
Speaker 6: Was crazy to me be like what did this say?
Speaker 2: I can't even read along, Like what did it say?
Speaker 1: I'd been like, jasmon, look at this? What did he said? Wow?
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 2: I went on a date with a guy.
Speaker 6: He was really frugal, which was unattractive, but also he
Speaker 6: would park his car and places that were legal. He
Speaker 6: take a ticket out and put it on his.
Speaker 1: That's a very New York things.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that. And then he was on your
Speaker 2: own time.
Speaker 6: And he went to the super fun super he went
Speaker 6: to the super cheap gas station.
Speaker 2: And it was a turn off to me, like wait, wait,
Speaker 2: what do you mean? Like you know, okay, I live
Speaker 2: in d C.
Speaker 6: Like you know, like some of the you know, that
Speaker 6: do you guys have gas stations you can only pay cash.
Speaker 6: This was like years ago, like like really cheat, he
Speaker 6: had a nice car. It was just and I was
Speaker 6: just like, why are you going to this? It was
Speaker 6: kind of off brand sort of it bothered me. It
Speaker 6: was a combination. And then also the last thing after that,
Speaker 6: I was done, like I didn't want to talk anymore.
Speaker 6: He kept texting me and then I wouldn't respond, and
Speaker 6: then he sent me an unsolicited dick pic and I
Speaker 6: remember I remember it being all these clothes around in the.
Speaker 1: Background like clean up. Yeah, it was just it.
Speaker 5: Was just a yeah, but it was so like you
Speaker 5: don't whatt mean more?
Speaker 2: Let me show you by dick.
Speaker 1: Like feet in the picture as well.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: It's gonna make you be like, okay, I must the
Speaker 3: work for before I was like, did shave it was?
Speaker 2: It was? It was I'm not gonna lie. It was
Speaker 2: a decent dick.
Speaker 1: It was just take some close up. If you have
Speaker 1: a really bad first date but you like the person, like,
Speaker 1: let's just say you kind of mess it up, like
Speaker 1: maybe you got messy, sloppy, drunk, embarrass yourself. Is there
Speaker 1: a way to recover what advice would you give for that,
Speaker 1: Devin Simone, Let's just say I was drunk, I threw up,
Speaker 1: I embarrassed myself, I cursed him out, but I still
Speaker 1: like him.
Speaker 3: I mean, i'd say if he was smart, he probably
Speaker 3: be like no, and not because you're not amazing, but
Speaker 3: just this stage of where we are, that.
Speaker 2: Is a big red flag. But if you really want
Speaker 2: to try it would.
Speaker 3: Like whatever that other person's communication style is, because it's
Speaker 3: different for different people. So like you, guys don't like
Speaker 3: long text, Some people prefer text. Some people like a
Speaker 3: voice note, some people like a phone call. So meet
Speaker 3: them wherever they are are, not literally, but you know,
Speaker 3: send them the kind of communication that they like, and
Speaker 3: just say, look, I'd love to do over.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not usually like that one. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You can kind of make a joke if you want to,
Speaker 3: like I heard the moon was purple yesterday and I
Speaker 3: don't know, like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 2: I would love to.
Speaker 1: Take it's on brand.
Speaker 3: And then and then just be respectful of how long
Speaker 3: it takes them respond, whether or not they respond.
Speaker 2: You know, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And if they don't send a message, fuck you.
Speaker 2: Anyone. If they don't respond.
Speaker 1: Dding I was wondering, can something survive that? I know
Speaker 1: somebody that went on a date with somebody New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve and then got so drunk that she ended up
Speaker 1: at his house and he's still lived with his mom
Speaker 1: and she was shiitting and throwing up in the bathroom
Speaker 1: and it's my I was like, is she okay?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: He was to do that for her? I was like, dances,
Speaker 1: you messed up?
Speaker 2: But why was he living with his mom?
Speaker 1: We were younger and maybe like early twenties. It still
Speaker 1: was kind of like, why are you still it? But
Speaker 1: you know New York? You know, yeah, yeah, that's New
Speaker 1: York his mom. I guess she seemed nice if she was,
Speaker 1: you know, checking on her yeaheah, Okay, you wake up?
Speaker 1: Like where am I? What happened last night? All right?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Another thing we want to talk about is what if
Speaker 1: you meet somebody and or your friend meets somebody they're dating,
Speaker 1: but that person did go out with you years ago.
Speaker 1: Let's say it didn't go anywhere, but let's just say
Speaker 1: me and Jasmine, Right, Jasmine meets somebody, starts dating him,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, ooh, I did like to him, yeah,
Speaker 1: three years ago and you know, nothing really happened. Should
Speaker 1: I tell her?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's your close friend. I think you should
Speaker 3: be honest about it. Yeah, I think that you should
Speaker 3: tell your close friends.
Speaker 1: Would that make you feel weird? Jazzmin, Like, would you
Speaker 1: be like I can't go up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make me feel weird because then.
Speaker 1: It kind of feels like I don't want to block
Speaker 1: what she has going.
Speaker 2: But would you rather know or rather know?
Speaker 6: But I probably I wouldn't If I knew that, I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, I don't want to talk to him
Speaker 6: man like.
Speaker 2: Right, but you don't want to like get further down
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 3: I rather just forgetting the altar and you see your
Speaker 3: photo or something.
Speaker 2: It was like, well, you.
Speaker 6: Know, I also feel like it depends on your relationship
Speaker 6: with Like if I wouldn't tell her because I don't know,
Speaker 6: we're no, we're not close, I would I'll tell her.
Speaker 3: I wasn't you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: If with someone I'm not close with, I would just
Speaker 6: buy my business.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like m.
Speaker 4: But if there wasn't a date and there was just
Speaker 4: like some flirting in the d MS or him just
Speaker 4: you know, trying to.
Speaker 3: Like he didn't physically ever go out right, Yeah, if
Speaker 3: it had, if it had stopped, like I just feel
Speaker 3: it out, I wouldn't necessarily be proactive in sharing that info.
Speaker 3: But if it ever felt like it was relevant, or
Speaker 3: if it was like in the last six months, you know,
Speaker 3: like hella recent versus like two years ago, he slid
Speaker 3: in my DMS, like whatever else. I think it was
Speaker 3: two years ago, saything, unless it explicitly came up somehow,
Speaker 3: But if it was like, oh, three weeks ago, he
Speaker 3: had just been like, yeah, three weeks.
Speaker 5: Ago, that happened to me, my friend had slept with
Speaker 5: this guy that I was talking to, but I met
Speaker 5: him through her.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait what happened for or like, what's the timeline
Speaker 3: of events?
Speaker 5: So I actually I never knew Actually, so I think
Speaker 5: I ever told you. So she never told me when
Speaker 5: it happened. I don't remember, but I know it happened,
Speaker 5: and then we met and he was interested, and like,
Speaker 5: I hung out with him. But then I realized that
Speaker 5: as more he became more interested that I was like,
Speaker 5: that bothered me more than it did when we were
Speaker 5: just meeting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I had to cut that off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she was okay with you dating him.
Speaker 2: Yeah she didn't care.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that happens. I've definitely been like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could date to him like years ago. I don't care
Speaker 1: at all, But I do think I would feel a
Speaker 1: little weird about it if it was the other way around.
Speaker 1: I don't want to date somebody.
Speaker 6: I don't want to date anybody that my friends left with.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, it's just I don't care how long ago.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm cool, Like it's enough so I can pick.
Speaker 1: A new one likes with MESSI.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: It's also holiday season, and so things are a little different.
Speaker 1: It feels like if you bring somebody home, you know,
Speaker 1: during this time, it feels like it's a lot more
Speaker 1: serious than at any other time. Like if I bring
Speaker 1: you home March eighth, it's way different than you know,
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve or something like that. All right, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of that protocol as far as dealing
Speaker 1: with family dating. When do you bring somebody home? Should
Speaker 1: you be offended if someone doesn't invite you? You know,
Speaker 1: say you're spending the holiday by yourself, you recently started
Speaker 1: dating somebody and they know you're alone, and they don't
Speaker 1: invite you. You know, what type of advice would you
Speaker 1: give for people around this time.
Speaker 3: It's not fully a one size fits all, but I
Speaker 3: would say generally, if you've been dating for less than
Speaker 3: six months, don't be super in your fields. If they
Speaker 3: don't invite you, particularly if they're really close to your family,
Speaker 3: that's good. Now, if y'all been dating for five years
Speaker 3: and you note that's.
Speaker 6: A problem, even bringing somebody else, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: So not y'all bring a little junior in this. But
Speaker 3: if it's been six months or less, then you know
Speaker 3: it's okay. And if you look kind of go with
Speaker 3: your gut with it. Just be respectful. If someone does
Speaker 3: invite you to the family, be respectful. Know your family well,
Speaker 3: like do you really want to like exposure.
Speaker 2: Are y'all at a place.
Speaker 3: Now or because it's different per family, right, Like I
Speaker 3: had gotten to a place where Avenge, I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not bringing anyone home any like at this point,
Speaker 3: I'm from Kansas City. I'm not bringing anyone home unless
Speaker 3: I've planned to make like, unless I think I can
Speaker 3: marry them, Like it just got to that point and
Speaker 3: my family's accepting to anyone. Fortunately, because definitely we dated
Speaker 3: all types, but that just became sort of my like
Speaker 3: my thing. And I do say that it's nice if
Speaker 3: you're not gonna bring them home, and particularly to the guys.
Speaker 3: For the women, if you know, for whatever reason she's
Speaker 3: by herself or going to kind of be with the
Speaker 3: smaller group, if you want to plan something thoughtful for her.
Speaker 3: So maybe you're not ready to bring her home to
Speaker 3: the family, but maybe you send her flowers on Christmas
Speaker 3: Eve or just something so that she doesn't feel alone
Speaker 3: or he doesn't feel because I know you like to
Speaker 3: give gifts, like just to kind of say, look, I
Speaker 3: know we're not here and together, but I'm thinking of you.
Speaker 2: I think that's special.
Speaker 3: Also, dating this type of the holidays, whether you meet
Speaker 3: family or not, is a really fun time to create
Speaker 3: your own tradition.
Speaker 2: Who knows if you'll be together next year, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: This kind of leans into that kismet thing that Tiny
Speaker 3: was talking about, like in the moment, just like especially
Speaker 3: like in New York. Maybe it's going to look at
Speaker 3: the windows, or maybe it's a certain restaurant that you liked,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be a holiday themed restaurant.
Speaker 3: It could just be whatever restaurant and maybe that's something
Speaker 3: you start now and you create a fun memory and
Speaker 3: then next year, whether you meet family or not, you
Speaker 3: know whatever you guys said, do you go back to
Speaker 3: that restaurant and you go back and do that thing.
Speaker 3: Holidays are really fun for creating your own little right,
Speaker 3: Like I.
Speaker 1: Went sledding one year. That was fun. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: nowhere exactly right.
Speaker 2: Been ice skating, I've been ice skating. I've never been
Speaker 2: Skatingpies of lip service. That's where we need to eat out.
Speaker 2: We need to find a black own something, slope something.
Speaker 1: Now, what if your person you're dating gets you a
Speaker 1: gift and you don't like it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got this necklace one time, and my best
Speaker 3: friend knew I was getting, Like I didn't know, but
Speaker 3: he had like asked her or something, and I think
Speaker 3: she tried to warn them, but by the time she
Speaker 3: responded to his message, she'd already purchased it, because.
Speaker 2: Like it took a while.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh. When I saw it and he put it
Speaker 3: on my neck, I felt it. I felt like it
Speaker 3: was burning.
Speaker 1: And it was tried. It was burned.
Speaker 2: And then I like went in my room and cried
Speaker 2: or like, and then eventually I did.
Speaker 3: I was just like, and what's sad is he got
Speaker 3: like roped in by the sales because he tried to
Speaker 3: explain what the two hearts meant, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that's what they say on the like.
Speaker 2: Jewelers, because yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: You're the expert. But I feel like you just got
Speaker 6: to eat it sometimes just like okay, thank you, thank.
Speaker 2: You for me, and just so I used to do that.
Speaker 1: She cried.
Speaker 2: Though here's the thing, she's dramatic.
Speaker 3: It was burning and it was just like, let me
Speaker 3: take it off once experts that I actually didn't like
Speaker 3: it because initially, when he gave it, I was like,
Speaker 3: thank you, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But if you've been together for a while, we want
Speaker 3: to and my gift was great, then I got him.
Speaker 2: It just hated.
Speaker 1: That's to that thought, listeners, because you feel like somebody
Speaker 1: should know you enough to know what you're gonna like for.
Speaker 2: A while, not initially, not yet if it's initially.
Speaker 3: But I also think actually, even as uncomfortable, it feels
Speaker 3: like always be gracious and grateful, but it is actually
Speaker 3: better to be honest because if you guys do enter
Speaker 3: into a long term relationship. You're setting that standard and
Speaker 3: you don't want him to think you like precious moment
Speaker 3: stalls because he got you one.
Speaker 2: Then and then years later he's you're pissed because you
Speaker 2: got all because you I mean saying with like the
Speaker 2: names in bed and likeah.
Speaker 3: Also, you know, most guys will get comfortable, so they'll
Speaker 3: be like, oh, she liked this. Be honest, but be
Speaker 3: gracious and recognize that they tried right. So you're just like, oh,
Speaker 3: my gosh, I really appreciate this so much.
Speaker 2: I know you may not know this.
Speaker 3: It's the reason why earlier I mentioned I designed my
Speaker 3: engagement ring, so getting engaged was a surprise, but the
Speaker 3: reason I designed it was intentional because because my now
Speaker 3: husband knows me, and he knew fairly early on that
Speaker 3: I'm pretty picky about the jewelry that I wear.
Speaker 2: Hints the neckle. He wasn't the one who got me
Speaker 2: the necklace that, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he knew that story and it just
Speaker 1: has enough.
Speaker 3: So he was like, look, that's gonna be one of
Speaker 3: the biggest things I ever get.
Speaker 2: I want it to be something you love.
Speaker 3: He's like, I want to surprise you, but he also
Speaker 3: knows I like to research things. So he was like, well,
Speaker 3: what if we did it this way? Would you want
Speaker 3: to design your own? Like you picked the designer you
Speaker 3: you know, do whatever, And then he'd get the ring.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know when he got it. I wouldn't know
Speaker 3: when it was done, and then he'd propose in his
Speaker 3: own way, in his own time, in his own But
Speaker 3: that part of that happened. And it's the ring of
Speaker 3: my dreams and it's one of one and there's little
Speaker 3: hidden details in it, like it's everything to me and
Speaker 3: I love it. I named her Betty after Betty White
Speaker 3: Beau's like saying, you're ready white die. But it's because
Speaker 3: I was honest from the jump. Whereas when I had
Speaker 3: been proposed to you before, I didn't like the ring.
Speaker 1: How many times you been proposed to him?
Speaker 2: Only three?
Speaker 1: Okay, did you keep crazy? None of them?
Speaker 3: Because that goes back to that showing like it goes
Speaker 3: back to paying for something on the third date. I
Speaker 3: was never with you for the money. This spas I
Speaker 3: also got me. I can take care of me. And
Speaker 3: then also this is no longer mine because this relationship
Speaker 3: is in mind like it's not what I want.
Speaker 1: So like some of you're proposed to me once and
Speaker 1: he he would tell me to just keep the ring
Speaker 1: because I said no right away. He didn't want to die.
Speaker 1: I don't want it, did you?
Speaker 2: I mean, did you keep it?
Speaker 1: I don't know where it is at this point, but
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago, but it was like
Speaker 1: a surprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll tell you this, and the
Speaker 1: manager of the restaurant was like, how did it go?
Speaker 1: He was like not good?
Speaker 2: Did you guys break up?
Speaker 1: Saying yeah, I never haven't seen him since home.
Speaker 2: Were you guys together before?
Speaker 1: He Here's the thing, like I I was a lot younger,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know why he did that. And
Speaker 1: he told me he said his friend was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should just go for it. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: why would he tell you that? It was so embarrassing,
Speaker 1: And then I was like here he was like, no,
Speaker 1: keep it. I don't even want to see it.
Speaker 2: So you didn't even open the box.
Speaker 1: Not had it. It was in the middle of the
Speaker 1: dessert cake. And then it was at a Mexican restaurant
Speaker 1: and it said what.
Speaker 2: Did you say?
Speaker 4: So on the first of all, I didn't know what
Speaker 4: the cake said because I said, well, you marry me
Speaker 4: and his family it said well no because it was
Speaker 4: like in script.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's going on in here? And
Speaker 1: it said would you if marry me? Because I don't know.
Speaker 1: They just wrote it wrong so many signs I literally know,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, are you proposing to me?
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh my god. And it was.
Speaker 1: And I was embarrassed because we're like at a nice restaurant.
Speaker 1: And it was funny because when we came in, they
Speaker 1: were like rose petals on the table, so I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: they really go out all, you know. It was just
Speaker 1: like they think it was inside of like a thing.
Speaker 1: And then they pulled the top. Yes, and there was
Speaker 1: a ring in the middle of the.
Speaker 2: Later.
Speaker 1: No, I couldn't because I was so caught off guard.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we had ever talked about this or
Speaker 1: anything was leading up to it. It just came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Which is a good key. That is a good no
Speaker 3: and point proposals being a surprise.
Speaker 1: Didn't say yes and then say no, there's a.
Speaker 2: Whole bunch of people around.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 1: I didn't know these people.
Speaker 6: That's that's a fact.
Speaker 3: And this is before social media, right, social media right now,
Speaker 3: how was it?
Speaker 6: He was like, no, just think if somebody had their
Speaker 6: just all these people there thoughtful, but like I would
Speaker 6: say yes, and then I would say no later.
Speaker 2: But then that like makes it harder and stickier, and.
Speaker 3: Like say no one for all these people, yes, oh
Speaker 3: my god, and then dip you know, hard it is
Speaker 3: to change our minds later.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like Devin Howard, was I for you did to
Speaker 1: break off your several.
Speaker 3: Cag not only two, only too?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: It was it was hard and the second one that
Speaker 3: was working off we called off the wedding. Part of
Speaker 3: it was COVID related, like we the dress, the venue,
Speaker 3: the saved the dates. Well yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 3: like literally we were supposed to get married the year
Speaker 3: of like the pandemic, and it had been booked the
Speaker 3: year before. And so that part was really because it
Speaker 3: was like people I bought.
Speaker 1: Tickets tickets the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Well one they waited too late to cancel, but they
Speaker 3: did take a couple of trips to Egypt and then
Speaker 3: that's how they got pregnant.
Speaker 2: My nephew was born, my little Okay, so it but
Speaker 2: but yeah, like so that was hard.
Speaker 3: How did I look the one that gave the necklace,
Speaker 3: and I just was like we were kind of dragging
Speaker 3: our feet and planning. I think it just didn't sit
Speaker 3: right and and look also low key a lot of prayer,
Speaker 3: Like just in general, it's like we're humans. We're gonna
Speaker 3: do things that feel good. Sometimes don't feel good. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I like to just do a blanket prayer of like
Speaker 3: save me from the things that aren't meant for me,
Speaker 3: like let me get all the blessings you have in
Speaker 3: store for me, and don't let me stand in my
Speaker 3: own way. And so it just kind of led to
Speaker 3: a conversation that I was like and I couldn't get
Speaker 3: the ring off fast.
Speaker 6: It was both times sort of like yeah, no, I
Speaker 6: was me and the guy I was engaged to. We're
Speaker 6: planning a destination wedding and we called it oft and
Speaker 6: some people already bought their tickets and stuff.
Speaker 3: Did they get their money? Like, I don't know, she said,
Speaker 3: I don't know. She's like, not my problem.
Speaker 2: I was lovely younger.
Speaker 1: I wasn't consider did you get gifts and stuff? Like
Speaker 1: what happens to the gifts if we have registering at
Speaker 1: the wedding. Yeah, there's a bridal shower gifts shower.
Speaker 3: Yet my aunt did buy us this really nice hand
Speaker 3: and he actually loved that panting used it all the time.
Speaker 3: And when we broke up, I took that pant, even
Speaker 3: though pant and all the spices. I my aunt was like,
Speaker 3: let him keep the pant, I'll get you another one.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's the principal, and so I
Speaker 3: just took the pant. I still have never used it,
Speaker 3: but they don't make it anymore. So I'm glad that,
Speaker 3: thank you, because I really don't. But I thought there
Speaker 3: too that because it's good not stick.
Speaker 1: Was it the necklace? Guy?
Speaker 2: Get engaged in?
Speaker 3: Guy?
Speaker 2: What did that ring look like?
Speaker 3: So that one was smaller and it was round with
Speaker 3: a simple band, and it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't me.
Speaker 3: Then the next one was an heirloom and it was emeralds.
Speaker 2: It was his grandmother's ring. That was bigger, more me.
Speaker 3: And then this one I designed from scratch. It has
Speaker 3: our initials and Morse code and diamonds hidden in the band,
Speaker 3: and I picked the designer who I'm now friends with,
Speaker 3: so it's me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was okay. You know, they always say,
Speaker 1: did you get engaged? On a holiday like during okay,
Speaker 1: because people always say, yeah, it's nothing right birthday.
Speaker 2: I think it's fine.
Speaker 3: My mother doesn't believe in that, but I think it's
Speaker 3: perfectly fine. You guys do what's special for the two
Speaker 3: of you, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: think that that's yeah, okay, I think.
Speaker 1: It's for legal purposes. I think it's for legal purposes
Speaker 1: because no, because they do say, like if you give somebody,
Speaker 1: if you propose on a holiday, they get to keep
Speaker 1: it because because it's a gift, legally they can keep it.
Speaker 3: It's but I look state by state because I know
Speaker 3: some states regardless, it's considered a gift though on the premise.
Speaker 1: Of getting married.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if you don't get married, like in
Speaker 3: New York State, you have to give it back like
Speaker 3: it's yours.
Speaker 2: Once you're legally married, it's yours to keep married.
Speaker 1: Because I know they said Christmas, Valentine's Day, your birthday,
Speaker 1: They're like, it was a gift, and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: so just something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, another thing that people talk about is gift giving
Speaker 1: at different stages in a relationship. Some people feel like
Speaker 1: I've heard guys say I don't want to go too
Speaker 1: big too early, because then the expectations are too high
Speaker 1: to keep on trying to like keep up, yeah, upstage
Speaker 1: what you did previously. So, Devin, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: as far as you know? Of course, we always want
Speaker 1: to give thoughtful gifts, but sometimes should we be raining
Speaker 1: it in earlier on?
Speaker 3: I think if you're just leading with thoughtful, I do
Speaker 3: think it's smart to kind of look at the long term,
Speaker 3: which is like if I can see myself with this
Speaker 3: person for five years, Like can I sustain this? Because
Speaker 3: you don't want to love bomb, which is where you
Speaker 3: do it all up front and then you're left kind
Speaker 3: of like there's nothing else I can do. But I
Speaker 3: think leave it thoughtful. Know that thoughtful doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be super expensive. It can be, but it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be. And make sure you're not trying to overcompensate,
Speaker 3: because sometimes the people who come out really hot and strong,
Speaker 3: particularly guys, they're actually trying to like overcompensate for some
Speaker 3: other pops wear.
Speaker 1: Wearing.
Speaker 2: If you're doing it.
Speaker 3: Genuinely to see that person happy and like to just
Speaker 3: have joy, you're not You're not doing it to necessarily
Speaker 3: flex on everyone else you're literally just trying to put
Speaker 3: a smile on that other person's face. And I think
Speaker 3: if you lead with that intenctionality, like you'll be good
Speaker 3: every time. But that's also why being honest it's important
Speaker 3: because if they're trying to do that for you and
Speaker 3: they think you like this because you smiled at it,
Speaker 3: and you hate it, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be much harder to rein in over time.
Speaker 4: I had a guy give me the same thing three
Speaker 4: times in the row, and after the third one, I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I don't want this again.
Speaker 2: But it was a different like color.
Speaker 4: It was different colors, but it was the same gift birthday,
Speaker 4: just it was the first one was just because the
Speaker 4: second one was Valentine's but the same thing for my birthday.
Speaker 2: I was like, I like this, but.
Speaker 1: Please give me a little work creative.
Speaker 2: It was those flowers on the box and I'm like, because.
Speaker 1: If it was like a different Rolex it in the market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like.
Speaker 4: They got bigger and they were a different color, but
Speaker 4: it's like they last forever and I don't want to
Speaker 4: just throw.
Speaker 1: It away from you.
Speaker 2: I took it.
Speaker 4: I don't think he took it well though, because I
Speaker 4: never got another gift from him.
Speaker 1: That was the end of that. Well, at least you
Speaker 1: need to get more flowers in the now. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Let's just say it's Christmas time,
Speaker 1: and let's say you buy your significant other and amazing gift,
Speaker 1: but then find out right afterward that they were cheating
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 2: That happened to me? Did you do I got him
Speaker 2: a go pro for Christmas? What's that?
Speaker 1: That's the camera?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the little cameras and I never saw him again?
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait yeah, wait, okay, you got him
Speaker 3: a gift, my gift, and then did you find out
Speaker 3: he was cheating?
Speaker 2: Or like I found out? Maybe?
Speaker 5: So my birthday is Christmas, so right, you gotta would
Speaker 5: give your birthday birthday freaking little cat?
Speaker 2: No, please, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: You got him the little thing that he could wear
Speaker 4: it up here and everything he got me that he
Speaker 4: got you that like you know what I mean with
Speaker 4: the little rim and everything, and then he got me
Speaker 4: like a little like bathroom body works that you buy
Speaker 4: your your elderly aunt at the you know what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about?
Speaker 1: Want to check out? Right, okay?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: And he was like, okay, great, great, great, and then
Speaker 5: it was two years and he went out to dinner
Speaker 5: with someone else and like didn't wish me happy, like whatever,
Speaker 5: and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And we broke up over the phone. I never saw
Speaker 2: it again. A couple. You guys, we were together on
Speaker 2: and off for like eight years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, you see me right, and
Speaker 1: even worse if he was posting video from the GoPro like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, was the next.
Speaker 6: Nerve.
Speaker 1: Wow, Listen, that's so funny because I dated a guy
Speaker 1: and I bought him a camcorder for his birthday and
Speaker 1: then we broke up soon after. But you know what
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't tell him. I knew he was cheating.
Speaker 1: I borrowed it back and then broke up. Oh, I like,
Speaker 1: I still have and that camp quarder is so old
Speaker 1: and I still have it. But if you see on
Speaker 1: any of my shaky videos from lip service that were
Speaker 1: in black and white back in the day, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: and I strategically smart did not say anything until I said,
Speaker 1: can I borrow the camera?
Speaker 2: See? I would not have had the restraint. But that's good. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm a capricorn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say one thing about Angela she
Speaker 4: can definitely be strategic.
Speaker 3: That was I never gave a gift, and that happened.
Speaker 3: But a dude in college that we were dating, we
Speaker 3: actually lived together. At that point I found out he
Speaker 3: was cheating. This is back on AOL and a messenger
Speaker 3: like and that was a thing. So I figured out
Speaker 3: a software. This is gonna make me sound crazy, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I figured out a software thanks to my mother that
Speaker 3: you can and saw that would track all the messages
Speaker 3: that were happening.
Speaker 2: So I had done that when he was.
Speaker 3: Out of town because I suspected something, so he went
Speaker 3: to work.
Speaker 2: I opened the messages, saw.
Speaker 3: That he was having conversations when I had been out
Speaker 3: of town, like basically saying he was single.
Speaker 2: But we lived together.
Speaker 3: So that night when he was worked at the club
Speaker 3: again I was in college, but that's your first. I
Speaker 3: printed them all out. I got super cute, went to
Speaker 3: the club, told him he led, put him in an envelope,
Speaker 3: told him I had forgotten something in his car, so
Speaker 3: I asked to borrow his keys. I went and took
Speaker 3: his keys like I left the room. I took his
Speaker 3: house keys off the key ring so he wouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to get into the house. This gave him his
Speaker 3: key ring back, pretending that nothing.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of keys on it, so he
Speaker 2: didn't notice when I were handed.
Speaker 3: Him the envelope. He opened it there in the club.
Speaker 3: He freaked out and tried to deny it, but it
Speaker 3: was like right there.
Speaker 2: I left.
Speaker 3: I then went home that night, and he tried to
Speaker 3: get in the house and was sitting in his are
Speaker 3: crying to let me for me to let him into
Speaker 3: the house, and you get in the house, you had
Speaker 3: to go sleep at his parents house.
Speaker 2: I'm like, now you can explain to your parents why why.
Speaker 1: You're there for what you did.
Speaker 2: But we're friends now, it's fine.
Speaker 1: You became friends with people still after like like he's
Speaker 1: he was dumb, but like right, it's like you dropped
Speaker 1: the ball right, fumbled in for the rest of his
Speaker 1: life and you really like something satisfyingly evil about still
Speaker 1: being friends with somebody who wronged you. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 1: successful in doing well. It's kind of the kay, you know,
Speaker 1: but like like, hey, how goes it?
Speaker 2: Like goes it? So now you know, if Angel ever goes.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, I'd be like with.
Speaker 3: Him, you were both young and dunks. You're in college.
Speaker 3: I genuinely wish him like I care about him as
Speaker 3: a human. But yeah, I mean I know that, like.
Speaker 1: You were crying, and that he still watches literally.
Speaker 2: I'm fabulous, Like I know that, but I wish them
Speaker 2: alt person.
Speaker 3: But also I am quite proud that I held restraint
Speaker 3: and didn't like I played it cool and like he
Speaker 3: didn't know until he.
Speaker 2: Got home that he wasn't going to.
Speaker 1: Be and it's so hard to not burst.
Speaker 2: I'll be calling like, oh I can't.
Speaker 1: I found out my ex cheated on me on his
Speaker 1: birthday and he was on his way to my house
Speaker 1: to come get me. He left his Gmail open on
Speaker 1: my laptop and I was going to look up like
Speaker 1: the restaurant we were that I was taking him to
Speaker 1: and I and I was like, oh, his Gmail just
Speaker 1: popped up, and I was like should I look? And
Speaker 1: then I said, God said yeah, because he would have
Speaker 1: did that. Listen says I'm trying to show you something,
Speaker 1: and I've seen.
Speaker 2: A lot when the sign is fine.
Speaker 1: And then even after that, like he was on his
Speaker 1: way it was his literally his birthday, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: do I say something today like it's his birthday? Wonder
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I tried not to. And
Speaker 1: then he called me. He was like, all right. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 1: make it. He was like, what what happened? What's the matter?
Speaker 1: I was like, I just don't feel good. And then
Speaker 1: I just sent him all of the messages and and
Speaker 1: that was it. That was that, and that was on that,
Speaker 1: so you know, and now he's listening to Yeah, now
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, I'm telling that story. I've changed.
Speaker 1: But listen, Devin. I would love for you, and I
Speaker 1: know you're super busy. I know you have your own
Speaker 1: show with your own friends. Okay, but we did love
Speaker 1: having you up here.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having you. Guys are amazing and it
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 1: You gave us such great, practical, reasonable information. But I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to know you're a little crazy too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you know my family? You know, look, keep
Speaker 2: it being a little crazy.
Speaker 3: It's a little unpredictab. I think them being a smige
Speaker 3: scared of you. Okay, I think it's healthy, just this
Speaker 3: smidge and not like a violent way.
Speaker 2: But just that I can't know if she's going to
Speaker 2: go their way.
Speaker 3: I think that's I think I like to keep my
Speaker 3: husband on his toes. Okay, good, I tell you a
Speaker 3: stun gun story. That's next time you work too.
Speaker 1: No, but no, And I saw you the other night
Speaker 1: at the Tender Year and Swipe event where you gave
Speaker 1: us a lot of great statistics and numbers. But you
Speaker 1: know she's not just giving us practical advice. It's actually research, right,
Speaker 1: So these are real things. So make sure you check
Speaker 1: out the Tender Year and Swipe report so you can
Speaker 1: see everything from the lingo to the cities people moving
Speaker 1: places to date to because that one was wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't know who, but you know, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of capricorns, so I can understand why numbers wise that
Speaker 1: didn't work out in our favor.
Speaker 2: Whatever makes them feel. We support support.
Speaker 1: You, but I do really appreciate you. I love what
Speaker 1: you do, and we've worked together years and years and
Speaker 1: years and years ago in the past, but I know
Speaker 1: we'll be doing a lot more.
Speaker 2: So sure.
Speaker 3: I love seeing you in and you guys are all
Speaker 3: amazing and this podcast is so fun, so yeah, definitely
Speaker 3: watching a fan.
Speaker 1: And Jordan's once some definitely wants to work on like
Speaker 1: her profile, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and any potentially men that you want to throw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm available. Okay, we teach you the database. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you definitely should. We'll look at your we'll look
Speaker 3: at your profile. You definitely should be on Tinder. And
Speaker 3: you travel a lot, don't you. You know Tinder has
Speaker 3: a passport feature. I'm just saying, and dating in America
Speaker 3: is not necessarily the same as it is in other
Speaker 3: countries and cultures, like, so you set that passport feature
Speaker 3: to be at another country that you're in, which means,
Speaker 3: from the comfort of your couch, you can be swiping
Speaker 3: and matching with quts in other areas like in Turkey.
Speaker 4: Given show, just give them all And I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 4: going to get on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am going to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, this would be an amazing experiment for us
Speaker 1: to kind of track what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3: I've never been on a dating I love it ever,
Speaker 3: I love it and look and just like, I just
Speaker 3: want to preface it too, because like there's literally millions
Speaker 3: of people on dating apps, right, like hundreds of millions
Speaker 3: of people. So just like there are thousands, thousands of restaurants,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna like them all. And that's okay, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean eating is bad. Right, you don't go, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm never eating again.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Literally you you don't rule.
Speaker 3: It out because you know there were a couple bad,
Speaker 3: so like just go in with that mindset though, but
Speaker 3: know that they're just like your favorite, Like there's some
Speaker 3: really good ones and there are still some really good
Speaker 3: people that have a lot going for them that are.
Speaker 1: On and if nothing else, you'll get some great females.
Speaker 1: And they say Chick fil A is.
Speaker 3: The number one, number one. Yet don't go there, Please don't,
Speaker 3: don't don't go there.
Speaker 1: I would be impressed. Okay, all right, all right, well
Speaker 1: thank you so long. I'm totally kidding.
Speaker 3: We already heard the things that made her mad, like
Speaker 3: a karaoke bar and singing thong song.
Speaker 1: Too well, I think like you sing and do karaoke,
Speaker 1: especially on our first day, that's so whacked. So if
Speaker 1: we can't sing, then that's perfect.
Speaker 6: You don't like people that can sing and do karaoke, period,
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter for it's the first day, Like why that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just like it at all.
Speaker 1: Go get your deal, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be.
Speaker 2: Part of that.
Speaker 3: Get a deal Tomato, tomato being here and trying to
Speaker 3: like because it's like trying to show up, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Go sing on a cruise.
Speaker 2: Okay, Angela, all right, wedding singer.
Speaker 1: But that's all I have to say. All right, but again, Devin,
Speaker 1: Devin Samel, make sure you guys follow her great information.
Speaker 1: Can people contact you too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to be If you want dating
Speaker 3: tips advice, you can hit me up on IG. You
Speaker 3: can go to my website devintimone dot com. If you
Speaker 3: want to be in a free matchmaking database, you can
Speaker 3: do that too. If you want me to look at
Speaker 3: your h profile photos and evaluate those if you if
Speaker 3: I see your.
Speaker 1: DM, I'll respond okay, we love that.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right.
Speaker 1: As lift service, you