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Speaker 2: Fellow conspiracy realist, shout out to our friends who are

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Speaker 2: currently or formerly in the US Navy. Back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: we had a question for that organization.

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Speaker 3: Did the US government know more about UFOs than they

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Speaker 3: let on?

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Speaker 4: Ha ha ha yeah yeah, yeah, of course they did.

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Speaker 1: Okay, clean, no, dude, listen, listen.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is a really cool time back in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty oh years ago, in the simple time twenty when

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Speaker 5: it was just Jeremy Corbel out there asking questions and

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Speaker 5: the Navy was going, well, we don't know, maybe someone's

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Speaker 4: But now we're in twenty twenty five and it's just

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Speaker 4: kind of a accepted thing now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so weird because for five years now,

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Speaker 2: disclosure has always been a jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, never

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Speaker 2: ever jam today's situation. And we were I think collectively

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Speaker 2: surprised that the US government did respond to many journalists

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Speaker 2: just like George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell, people asking serious

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Speaker 2: and valid questions. Uncle Sam said they could not disclose

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Speaker 2: certain UFO related files because they would pose quote an

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Speaker 2: extraordinarily grave threat to national security.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we need more let's jump into the episode. Let's

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 2: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 4: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 2: We were joined as always with our super producer Paul

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Speaker 2: Mission control deck and most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 2: are here and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 2: you to know, as we have been doing.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna do a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: of a Twitter roll call. That's where we find some

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Speaker 2: tweets from you and your fellow listeners. Just give them,

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Speaker 2: give them some time on air to see what you

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Speaker 2: all think about them. Who would like to do the

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Speaker 4: Let's go to n DAG fifteen. In DAG fifteen, INDAG

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Speaker 4: fifteen says yo. So Harvey Weinstein got twenty three years

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Speaker 4: and everyone's talking about coronavirus. Was this planned or something?

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Speaker 4: This is the same thing as Wendy Williams fainting during

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Speaker 4: the wildfires?

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Speaker 3: Interest Wait, wait, is he saying that coronavirus is the

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Speaker 4: The coronavirus is the hey, look over your smoke screen,

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Speaker 4: and the real thing is Harvey Wine the cover story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that seems wrong. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like generally that would go the other way.

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 4: And that is not to you know, a smirch. Well,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not to say the the victims of Harvey

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Speaker 2: People, the coronavirus, Weinstein went to jail, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? It would it would feel like more of

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Speaker 6: Know, probably so he could go have some sex.

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Speaker 4: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: And the reports of we may have talked about this

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yes, really like like the like the descriptions,

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Speaker 2: But his his bits, his Australia as a train wreck

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Speaker 2: So here's another one. There's another Twitter shout out from

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Speaker 2: It involves black hat SEO, search engine optimization, bots, elections

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Speaker 4: Our email is conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. And you

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Speaker 2: And if you would be more comfortable using and encrypted

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Speaker 2: and we can communicate that way, or proton mail or

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Speaker 3: Wait, it's proton mail where you like molecularly deconstruct it

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Speaker 2: fast moving get it world of UFO revelations in recent years.

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Speaker 2: In recent months, Western governments have done something kind of hilarious.

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Speaker 2: They've revealed internal documentation that flatly contradicts their earlier stated policies.

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Speaker 2: Remember in the days after Blue Book, the famous Project

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Speaker 2: Confirmed that the US Navy, at the very least as

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's more broad too, because it doesn't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is interesting though, because this is still

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Speaker 2: a developing story, we want to give you a real

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Speaker 2: quick walk through on some stuff. For deep dive into

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Speaker 2: some of this information, please check out our earlier episode

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Speaker 2: not sponsored by Blink one two. But when we talk

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Speaker 1: Here are the facts.

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Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, The New York Times exposed the Pentagon's

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Speaker 3: previously secret, mysterious UFO program that was known as Advanced

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Speaker 3: Aerospace Threat Identification Program or AADP at TIP A TIP,

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Speaker 3: M gonna go with at TIP. This program catapulted an

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Speaker 4: Yes, and Luis Elizondo, as we will refer to as Elizondo. Henceforth,

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Speaker 2: It, he claimed that not only was Uncle Sam cognizant

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Speaker 4: He said, I don't like your mission. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Slab City City.

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Speaker 4: No. He started working with to the Stars Academy that

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Speaker 4: If you're a listener of the Joe Rogan experience, you're

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Speaker 4: probably familiar. If you're a listener of really important I

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Speaker 4: might say early two thousands music, you may be familiar.

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Speaker 4: To the Stars Academy is the private UFO investigation group created.

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Speaker 2: By created by Tom DeLong, who is currently also famous

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Speaker 2: for being a founding member of the band Blink one

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Speaker 4: We did, and you may think, oh wait, a UFO

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Speaker 4: anything groundbreaking. They've definitely done some stuff, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody. Let's continue with to the Stars. It

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and underneath that just it's really interesting. They have

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Speaker 2: So it's weird. When you go to the I want

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Speaker 4: Minimum investment three hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 4: But but that being said, Ben, if you go through

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Speaker 4: that knows this kind of stuff, that's the guy Steve Justice.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't want to sound too credulous

443
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Speaker 2: or something, but if you look at especially the board members,

444
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Speaker 2: I get the sense that they're not in it for

445
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Speaker 2: the money, which I like, you know what I mean,

446
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Speaker 2: I think they're they're I can't say definitively, but it

447
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Speaker 2: feels like they're in it because they believe in it.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Jim Simmeivan he spent twenty five years as an operations

451
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Speaker 4: officer for the Central Intelligence Agency, the Directorate of Operations.

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Speaker 4: I mean, come on, that's yeah. I don't think that

453
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Speaker 4: Dud's in it throw the money. That guy's espionage city

454
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Speaker 4: and he's just like, what's going on over here? Or

455
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Speaker 4: did they infiltrate right immediately? And Jim is the inside guy.

456
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Speaker 4: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. I just don't.

458
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Speaker 2: This is just my opinion. There's just one person's opinion.

459
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Speaker 2: I try to keep opinions out out of the show,

460
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Speaker 2: but I feel like people never really leave the CIA. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 2: I feel like you're always maybe you're officially retired, but

462
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Speaker 2: you're always kind of on call, you know what I mean.

463
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Speaker 4: I feel that way.

464
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's absolutely the way, especially if you're

465
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Speaker 2: at the top. But you know, I never officially been

466
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Speaker 2: in the CIA. Add to the problem of credibility for

467
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Speaker 2: the organization is that they have ah They have a

468
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Speaker 2: reported multimillion dollar operating deficits, something like thirty seven point

469
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Speaker 2: four million dollars in the hole, and this leads people,

470
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Speaker 2: especially again people we are already more on the skeptical side,

471
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Speaker 2: to say like this is a money grab instead of

472
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Speaker 2: an actual legitimate enterprise. But again for the skeptics, they

473
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Speaker 2: did get a hold of a thirty second thirty six

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Speaker 2: second video that is legitimate that no one can explain, including.

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Speaker 1: The US government, and the US government admitted it. So

476
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Speaker 1: they did that. That happened, right.

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Speaker 4: It is weird to have a piece of evidence like

478
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Speaker 4: that that you know it's real. You're sitting here, you're

479
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Speaker 4: looking at You're like, Okay, there's something here. But I

480
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Speaker 4: can't I can't prove that this is real. I just

481
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Speaker 4: it feels real, it looks real, it sounds real, but

482
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Speaker 4: is it real?

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Speaker 2: So that's where we're at, folks. Alesondo confirmed a secret program.

484
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Speaker 2: The Navy admitted it, and while it was the most

485
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Speaker 2: significant disclosure since the declassification of Project Blue Book, at

486
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Speaker 2: least in this country, nothing much seems to have come

487
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Speaker 2: from the claims. Yet that mysterious footage remains unexplained. The

488
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Speaker 2: pilots went on record confirming stuff they couldn't explain. They

489
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Speaker 2: made their own guesses. But then the story just sort of.

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Speaker 4: Stopped. So that's the end, right, We're done with this

491
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Speaker 4: episode all finished?

492
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Speaker 6: Or are we?

493
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Speaker 2: You see this January the Navy had something else to say.

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Speaker 4: And we'll tell you what it was. After a word

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Speaker 4: from our sponsor, infuriating.

496
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: So in January of twenty twenty, not too long ago

498
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Speaker 3: at all. Independent researcher Christopher Lambright got a response to

499
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Speaker 3: his FOI requests Freedom of Information Act request seeking more

500
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Speaker 3: information on the strange sighting by Navy pilots that we

501
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Speaker 3: discussed earlier episode that it took place on November fourteenth

502
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Speaker 3: of two thousand and four. What he was looking for, specifically,

503
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Speaker 3: was more information on the video footage and some presentation

504
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Speaker 3: slides from the Office of Naval Intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Navy shut him down. People know, who are

506
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Speaker 2: familiar with the FOYO request, They can take forever. You know,

507
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: often don't get the results you want, right and the Navy.

508
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Speaker 2: The Navy came back with a line that.

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Speaker 1: We really like the way VICE reported this. We have

510
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Speaker 1: a quote. So here's what the Navy said.

511
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Speaker 4: So the Navy said it had quote discovered certain debriefing

512
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Speaker 4: slides that are classified top secret. A review of these

513
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Speaker 4: materials indicates that they are currently inappropriately marked and classified

514
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Speaker 4: top secret under Executive Order one three five two six,

515
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Speaker 4: and the original classification authority has determined that the release

516
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Speaker 4: of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the

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Speaker 4: national security of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Let's stop right there.

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Speaker 2: Think about that exceptionally grave damage to national security? What

520
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Speaker 2: the hell is on these slides? What's in that footage?

521
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Speaker 4: Right?

522
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Speaker 2: Why is it exceptionally grave? Does that imply that regular

523
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Speaker 2: the grave was fine?

524
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

525
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Speaker 2: So Vice followed up and asked about this denial, and

526
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Speaker 2: that's when Pentagon spokesperson Susan go elaborated a little and

527
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Speaker 2: she said, the Department of Defense, specifically the US Navy

528
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Speaker 2: has the video. Quote like the full video, yes, because

529
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Speaker 2: there's more than that thirty six seconds. Apparently, as Navy

530
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Speaker 2: and my office have stated previously, as the investigation of

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Speaker 2: UAP Unidentified Aerial Phenomena sightings is ongoing, we will not

532
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Speaker 2: publicly discuss individuals citing reports observations. However, I can tell

533
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Speaker 2: you that the date of the two thousand and four

534
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Speaker 2: USS Nimitz video is November fourteenth, two thousand and.

535
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Speaker 1: Four, so I could tell you the date.

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Speaker 2: I can also tell you the length of the video

537
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Speaker 2: that's been circulating since two thousand and seven is the

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Speaker 2: same as the length of the source video. We don't

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Speaker 2: expect to release this video, but huh, everybody else involved

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Speaker 2: directly has said that there's an eight to nine minute

541
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Speaker 2: or even longer video. And then additionally, some of the

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it gets sticky, like what are they hiding?

543
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Speaker 2: That's the question, because they didn't really say, they just

544
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Speaker 2: said it's secret. It could be exceptionally dangerous to national security.

545
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Speaker 2: A favorite boogeyman. But I mean, what do we think

546
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are. There's a lot of conjecture

547
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Speaker 2: about this, and it feels like a lot of it

548
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Speaker 2: is pretty solid or at least valid understandable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels very solid. I was reading another link

550
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Speaker 4: a Politico article that we had used for the research

551
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Speaker 4: of this show, just kind of going back over it

552
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Speaker 4: right now. It was from September of twenty nineteen, and

553
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Speaker 4: in this case it's a Republican House Homeland Security Committee member.

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Speaker 4: He's actually the ranking member of the Intelligence and or

555
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Speaker 4: Terrorism Subcommittee, and he was asking specifically about some of

556
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Speaker 4: these sightings, about some of these things. And the quote

557
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Speaker 4: that comes at the end of this article from Walker

558
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Speaker 4: from Representative Walker says, quote, if the Navy believes that

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Speaker 4: China or Russia possesses advanced aerospace technologies that represent a

560
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Speaker 4: national security vulnerability, the American people have the right to

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Speaker 4: know what their government is doing about it.

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Speaker 2: So then they're saying that if there is a if

563
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Speaker 2: this is a mundane thing and there's some kind of

564
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Speaker 2: let's say defense or war warcraft gap, then the public

565
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Speaker 2: needs to know about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. If they're really saying, you know, as they've stated there,

567
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Speaker 4: this could have this grave damage to national security, it's

568
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Speaker 4: it either means that somebody else has some kind of

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Speaker 4: technology that's dangerous to us, or means we have some

570
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Speaker 4: kind of insane technology that it would be dangerous if

571
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Speaker 4: other countries knew we had it, right right, I mean.

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Speaker 3: They would like preemptively strike or something, or they would

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Speaker 3: there be retaliation.

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Speaker 1: Or it would just be less useful.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so there would be less of the element of surprise,

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Speaker 3: I got.

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Speaker 4: Any well, And the third option there is that there's

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Speaker 4: some kind of outside exterior force that is a danger

579
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Speaker 4: to all of humanity, which is the most exciting one,

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Speaker 4: though the least likely.

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Speaker 2: All, Right, questions are exciting when you do what we do.

582
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Speaker 2: If you are on the front lines of trying to

583
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Speaker 2: keep people from dying, then questions rightly should terrify you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So worst.

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Speaker 2: Case scenarios, they don't know what it is at all,

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Speaker 2: So you know, people of Plenty of people have speculated

587
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Speaker 2: that there is more footage, right, and that's what was

588
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Speaker 2: being denied. Popular Mechanics had multiple witnesses from the Knimtz

589
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Speaker 2: incident who said that they definitely saw something that was

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Speaker 2: much longer and a lot more clear, higher resolution, which

591
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Speaker 2: you guys as editors, taught me a long time ago

592
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Speaker 2: is one of the trickiest things about a lot of

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Speaker 2: at least the video stuff. You know, that resolution once

594
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Speaker 2: you get past, once you get to a certain degradation,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what it is because the answer is moot.

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Speaker 4: But we are talking about two thousand and four technology

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Speaker 4: on an aircraft.

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Speaker 2: True, there's something else that I want to put in

599
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Speaker 2: that's been reported in a couple of different places. Witnesses

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Speaker 2: said that after the incident, shortly after the incident, unidentified

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Speaker 2: people who had some kind of credentials showed up in

602
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Speaker 2: a helicopter and took the footage, just.

603
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Speaker 1: Swooped it up.

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Speaker 2: And still those people have not been tied to any

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Speaker 2: official government agency. But not everyone agrees, you know, there

606
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Speaker 2: are also people who witnessed it who said, clearly what

607
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Speaker 2: I saw was not of this world, you know, and they,

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Speaker 2: you know, they're Again, they're educated in observation, they've seen

609
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Speaker 2: the physics, and they're saying, you just can't do a

610
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Speaker 2: forty five degree move like that. But there are other

611
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Speaker 2: people who are more skeptical, like Commander David Fraber said,

612
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Speaker 2: you know, longer videos of this incident don't exist. I

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Speaker 2: would have heard them. People are being alarmist. But no

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Speaker 2: matter how you slice it, no matter where you fall

615
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Speaker 2: on the spectrum, the answer is simply this. There is

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Speaker 2: more to the story. The Navy's not letting it out.

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Speaker 2: They say it's dangerous. There's literally stuff they don't want

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Speaker 2: you to know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, Why would there not be longer video?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: In what version of this would there not be longer video?

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Speaker 4: The only way is if somebody hit record on a

623
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Speaker 4: device and then hit record again after thirty seconds where

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Speaker 4: it's stopped recording.

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Speaker 3: Do we have a story as to how they got

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Speaker 3: hold of the video in.

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Speaker 6: The first place.

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Speaker 4: I think that is that is probably classified within the

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Speaker 4: halls of To the Stars Academy.

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Speaker 2: Well, from what I remember, and this comes back from

631
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Speaker 2: some of our conversations with other people in the environment,

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Speaker 2: From what I remember, Tom Delong's account was that he

633
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Speaker 2: had met with people surreptitiously in like hotel rooms and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and that someone slid him the tape through unofficial channels.

635
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Speaker 1: So it's definitely a leak.

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Speaker 6: I mean, maybe it's just the best, the good part,

637
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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but see this is why it screams disinfo to me.

639
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Speaker 4: It screams disinfo to me because it is this tiny,

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Speaker 4: little tantalizing snippet that was given to Tom DeLong in

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Speaker 4: a hotel somewhere by someone I don't know. And after all, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it, because of the nature of the resolution of

643
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Speaker 3: the footage, you could certainly fake a video like that

644
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Speaker 3: pretty easily.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, with plug ins and you know.

646
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Speaker 3: Just downgrading the video quality or doing any number of things.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty terrible at it, and I'm confident that I

648
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Speaker 4: could make.

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Speaker 3: It because the voice you just hear the voices. You

650
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Speaker 3: don't even see their faces. You just see like a

651
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Speaker 3: static shot from within the cockpit, right.

652
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's the observational camera. I guess that they're using.

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Speaker 3: The equivalent of a like a dash cam and like

654
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Speaker 3: a uber or.

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Speaker 4: Something kind of. But they've got a hood and it

656
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Speaker 4: is a really our heads up display and it is

657
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Speaker 4: a really sophisticated system. It's just you know, with with

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Speaker 4: an Adobe suite, you could could recreate.

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Speaker 2: All Another interesting thing about that, why is there just

660
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Speaker 2: the video? Because those they don't just have a camera

661
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Speaker 2: slapped in front of the jet fighters.

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Speaker 1: They have multiple monitoring systems. There's a suite, So I.

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Speaker 2: Would be interested in seeing any other onboard sensor reports.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, it's way less sexy than a video,

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Speaker 2: but it would go a long way toward helping explain

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Speaker 2: what this was.

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Speaker 3: It'd be better data at least, I mean, because surely there,

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Speaker 3: if it's locking in on this bogie or whatever, there

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Speaker 3: would be a record of its trajectory and the way

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Speaker 3: it moved and stuff, and you should be able to

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Speaker 3: generate a report on that, I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, absolutely. And here's another thing that's a little

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Speaker 2: screwy about this. The Pentagon repeatedly changed its story since

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Speaker 2: the original exposure past the point of fog of war

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Speaker 2: or miscommunication internally, right, which can totally happen. That could

676
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Speaker 2: totally happen. Sometimes agencies can just be wrong about what

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Speaker 2: their message is. But as recently as last month, the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon said that a tip had nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: UFOs what we would call UFOs. Elizondo has said that

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Speaker 2: he is quote not able to comment further on the

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Speaker 2: existence of a longer video due to my obligations involving

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Speaker 2: my NDA non disclosure agreement with the government and the

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Speaker 2: fact that I am no longer employed with the US government. However,

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Speaker 2: he follows, as I stayed before, people should not be

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Speaker 2: surprised by the revelation that other videos exist and at

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Speaker 2: a greater length. So to unpack that, he said, I can't.

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Speaker 2: I guess what he's trying to do is skirt the

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Speaker 2: line of NDA and say, well, I can't say if

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Speaker 2: there's a longer version of this video that we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: but I can say you shouldn't be surprised if other

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Speaker 2: longer videos exist, which is, you know, that can make

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Speaker 2: a pretty good meal for lawyers, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: If ever, that would be interesting in a courtroom.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: So there we go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what what do you all think? I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you guys.

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Speaker 2: I would I would say one of two things are

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Speaker 2: most likely. One, like you said, Matt, maybe there's a

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Speaker 2: rival military that has some kind of maybe like a

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Speaker 2: sub launched nuke or missile that has some previously unknown abilities,

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Speaker 2: or maybe there's something that the US did observing this

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Speaker 2: stuff and they don't want, like to your point about

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Speaker 2: the element of surprise, Noal, maybe they don't want rival

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Speaker 2: militaries to know just how they how good they are

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Speaker 2: at monitoring things like That's the reason a lot of

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Speaker 2: intelligence was classified in the years before Five Eyes was

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Speaker 2: public knowledge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. Yeah, hiding the surveillance technology.

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Speaker 2: So are they hiding THEIRS technology? Are they hiding someone

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Speaker 2: else's what's going on? Something else's, some thing else's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Tell us if you think it's some kind of new

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Speaker 4: sophisticated UAV technology, because it looks like like it was

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Speaker 4: probably a smaller craft, but it did look odd in

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Speaker 4: that video. I don't know. I for a while there

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Speaker 4: I was convinced it was some kind of drone.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: The shape of it is almost like got that triangular

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Speaker 3: kind of vibe.

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Speaker 4: To it, right, Yeah, but odd, very odd, very odd.

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Speaker 3: Quick question you guys to derail and take us into

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Speaker 3: the realm of speculative fiction. Have you guys seen the

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Speaker 3: trailer for the new season of Westworld yet?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I think it looks awesome.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you don't think so, you seem yeah, no, I

728
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Speaker 4: think so.

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Speaker 3: I'm why'd you say that with a big question mark

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Speaker 3: at the end.

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Speaker 4: I am looking forward to it, and it's coming out.

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Speaker 4: It will be out by the time this episode released.

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Speaker 3: The show will yeah, okay, but I just like that

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Speaker 3: it's in the real world and it's like you know,

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Speaker 3: and it's got all these crazy mechs and drones and stuff,

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Speaker 3: and we haven't really seen much of that in the

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Speaker 3: show up until now.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: And it's got Jesse Pinkman from Breaking.

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Speaker 3: Bad, which I whatever his name is, the real actor,

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Speaker 3: guy Aaron Paul.

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Speaker 6: That's it. He's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Look, this show is not brought to you by Westworld

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Speaker 4: or HBO or any of the other things that we

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00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: mentioned today Tom DeLong at least, Angels and Air, at

746
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Speaker 4: least at the time that we're recording it. However, maybe

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Speaker 4: one day in the future you will hear a Westworld

748
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Speaker 4: ad on this episode and your mind will be blown.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be nice if we're still around? I mean,

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Speaker 1: who knows?

751
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Are we going to become a quote grave threat to

752
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Speaker 2: national security? I hope not extraordinarily grave threat?

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Speaker 3: I gotta ask you guys, you know how Tom DeLong

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00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: had a very distinct vocal style as one of the

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Speaker 3: singers of Blink twenty two.

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Speaker 6: Let's six call it a little nasally, I guess you know.

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00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: So the guy that replaced him in the band, who

758
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: was in the band Alkalan Trio, he does like a

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00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: perfect copy of that, And how do you do that

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Speaker 3: and live with yourself?

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Speaker 4: A right?

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Speaker 3: Like he's just totally doing his best Tom DeLong impression.

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Speaker 2: He's probably I mean, it's cool to be a work

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Speaker 2: in musician.

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Speaker 6: He's probably living with himself all the way to the bank.

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00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, Or maybe he already got picked because he

767
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: naturally sings like that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, So it's sort of like Peter Gabriel versus Phil Collins.

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00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: You know, Phil Collins was the drummer for Genesis and

770
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Speaker 3: sang all the backups, and then when he took Peter's place.

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00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: At least he sounds just like Peter. But it's because

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Speaker 3: they kind of came up singing together. So maybe it's

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Speaker 3: not as ripoffy as I think.

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Speaker 6: I quite enjoyed seeing them live.

775
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: The drummer Travis Barker is a monster.

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00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Travis Barker has that invisible touch too, and

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm excited that you're excited. NOL.

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Speaker 6: Well, thanks man.

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00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: So everyone, if you can hear this, please reach out

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Speaker 4: to us on Twitter or Facebook where we're conspiracy stuff,

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00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: or let's say Instagram where we're conspiracy stuff show. Tell

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00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: us what you think about this serious UFO slash UAP

783
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: program that was occurring there, about this specific case of

784
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 4: some kind of unidentified aerial phenomena, and what you think

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00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: about this whole possibility that there's a longer video out

786
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 4: there somewhere. Have you seen it?

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Speaker 1: Can send?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what's gonna ask. Send it our way.

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Speaker 4: Have you any of those channels if you'd like, or hey,

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Speaker 4: you can give us a phone call and tell us

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Speaker 4: We will hear you. And oh hey, guess what, it's

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Speaker 4: that special time we are going to hear the latest

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Speaker 4: message that has come in. I'm just pulling it up

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Speaker 4: right here. All right, Hey, guys.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to say I'm a huge fan of

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Speaker 5: the show.

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Speaker 1: Love what you guys do.

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Speaker 5: Keep up the good work and uh and here's.

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Speaker 1: My Ben Bowling impression. Right mm hmmmm. Thanks guys, whoa

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Speaker 1: that one?

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Speaker 4: That one was unexpected?

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Speaker 1: Ben, You're fine, nailed it. Thanks so much, Ben spot On.

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Speaker 2: We found out some somewhere on the Internet that people

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Speaker 2: do a drinking game based on our various idiosyncrasies.

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Speaker 4: What's what's uh? So, what's yours?

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Speaker 6: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Is it that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Wait? What's knowles?

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Speaker 2: Uh knowles is funny question and yours is?

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Speaker 1: But what if?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I thought.

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Speaker 3: Mine would have been using the word situation, I say

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Speaker 3: that a lot, or I say, like, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: a UFO type situation or a paper cup type situation.

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Speaker 4: You know, I could see that maybe randomly bringing up

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Speaker 4: an HBO show.

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Speaker 6: That was not random, that was drone based. Okay, that

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Speaker 6: was very aprid drone get it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I thought it was there?

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Speaker 4: Awesome? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if you have if you have thoughts, if you

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Speaker 2: have full video, if you have more insight into the stars,

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Speaker 2: you ap or UFO Let us know. If you hate

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Speaker 2: you hate phones, that's fine, I get it as well.

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