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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump leading with an outright majority in Iowa fifty

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Speaker 2: one percent. Ron DeSantis a very distant second at nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley sixteen, Ramaswami, and.

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Speaker 2: We last pulled Iowa in October. Since then, look at

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Speaker 2: this Donald Trump's lead. He has added eight points to

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Speaker 2: his total to Santus up a couple Haley flat.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump over the last month.

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Speaker 2: Last six weeks in Iowa has actually improved his position.

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Speaker 2: And the last time we were this close to the

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Speaker 2: Caucasus that a Republican candidate had a lead anywhere near

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Speaker 2: this size, you got to go all the way back

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Speaker 2: to George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush. The year was two thousand. Bush won the Caucuss.

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Speaker 1: Bush won the nomination.

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Speaker 4: Biggest lead for a Republican at this stage before the

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Speaker 4: Iowa caucuses in almost twenty four years. So you gotta

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Speaker 4: go back quite a ways here in order to get

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Speaker 4: to a similar position.

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of people that are looking at

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Speaker 4: this and trying to make sense of it. And all

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Speaker 4: the caveats, supply were a year out from the general election,

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Speaker 4: snapshot in time, A lot of things can change, a

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Speaker 4: lot of things gonna happen. Okay, fine, I want to

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Speaker 4: hear from a lot of you on this one. Let's

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Speaker 4: take Dave in Salt Lake City, where I believe the

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Speaker 4: show is number one.

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Speaker 1: We love you, Salt Lake. What's up, Dave?

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Speaker 5: Hey, not much and the show is number one out here?

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys, think what you do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 5: I want to start by saying patriot props to you guys.

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Speaker 5: You guys are my top patriots. So I go to

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Speaker 5: my information and you know, I just read an article

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Speaker 5: the other day that Salt Lake or Utah was one

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Speaker 5: of the states that was slow to warm up to Trump.

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Speaker 5: I think back in twenty sixteen and I was one

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Speaker 5: of the people that was slow to warm up to him.

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Speaker 5: But based on everything that's happened now, I've warmed up

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Speaker 5: to him. And if they convict him, if he's a

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Speaker 5: felon by the time the election is held, that seals

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Speaker 5: my vote for me right there, because I know that

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Speaker 5: he's been railroaded.

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Speaker 6: You're more likely to vote for him if he gets

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Speaker 6: convicted then you would be if he were not convicted.

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Speaker 1: But Dave to be fair.

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Speaker 4: It sounds a little bit like you're already at the

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Speaker 4: at ten on the dial and you would just make

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Speaker 4: the dial go to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that fair?

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Speaker 5: I think at this point, yeah, I think that's probably

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Speaker 5: a fair assessment. I would vote for him now, but

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Speaker 5: I definitely my vote will be stilled there. It won't

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Speaker 5: be anything, and it will change if he's if he's

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Speaker 5: convicted fellon come election day. He's got my vote no

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Speaker 5: matter what. I thank you David and any of the

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Speaker 5: thus that they're railroading and for so Clay.

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Speaker 4: Do you think when I make the this is spinal

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Speaker 4: tap reference about the amplifier going to eleven? Do people

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Speaker 4: is that too too vague now? Or do people catch

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Speaker 4: the this is spinal tap?

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Speaker 6: I think that's such a cliche now. I don't even

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Speaker 6: know that it would be associated with spinal taps.

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Speaker 1: So people just know about take the dial tough eleven.

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Speaker 4: I don't realize it comes from that that memorable see

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a fair point, all right, Fair enough

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Speaker 1: Joe in South Carolina.

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Speaker 7: What you got for us, gentlemen, thank you so much

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Speaker 7: for taking my call. One of the things that I'd

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Speaker 7: that Rushlinbaugh taught us a long time ago that in

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Speaker 7: this stage of the election cycle, polls are not meant

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Speaker 7: to show public opinion. It's meant to influence public opinion.

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Speaker 7: Every election cycle, we always see the polls represent them

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Speaker 4: So wait, Joe, Joe, can we roll with this theory

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Speaker 4: here for a second. So then you believe that they're

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Speaker 4: setting a trap by making it seem like Trump is

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Speaker 7: Well, what they're doing is normally what they do is

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Speaker 7: they hide those numbers. They try to show that those

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Speaker 7: I do believe Trump is up that many points, maybe

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Speaker 7: even more, but Joe Biden needs to go according to

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Speaker 6: Okay, but so let me I'm sure I'm just trying

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Speaker 6: to follow your logic here, all right, So you believe.

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Speaker 4: That Trump is fine, It's Russia's Well, well, Rushi is

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Speaker 4: in assess all due respect.

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Speaker 6: You're calling in reacting to the polls that are going

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Speaker 7: Well, my theory is is that they want to replace

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you believe he believes the Trump trap theory,

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Speaker 4: just to be clear, Okay, Yeah, so absolutely.

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Speaker 6: My position is if there are one hundred polls out there,

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Speaker 6: Trump has uniformly right. Anybody out there listening to me,

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Speaker 6: the polls have consistently undervalued Trump since he entered into

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Speaker 6: every pole undervalued Trump, undersold him. It doesn't make sense

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Speaker 6: to me that now everybody would be overvaluing Trump, right, Like,

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Speaker 6: what would the logic be behind that? Are you supporting

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Speaker 7: Oh? Absolutely, I am. I supported Trump in the in

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you're so, but so, like, what would the

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Speaker 6: I don't understand the rationale. I agree with you that

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Speaker 6: Biden is a bad candidate, but I think he's a

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Speaker 6: that seventy five percent of Americans think that Biden is

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Speaker 6: too old and too mentally incompetent to be president. By

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Speaker 6: too old. So I guess what I'm saying is in

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Speaker 6: order for a grand conspiracy to exist, someone.

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Speaker 7: Has to Benefiden. Okay, but trying to replace Biden.

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Speaker 1: But so they're exaggerate. So you you think that Okay,

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Speaker 6: You think that Biden is actually way more popular, because

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Speaker 6: that's the only way your logic applies, right.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, they wouldn't be releasing these numbers accurately

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Speaker 7: if they didn't want to replace Joe Biden they would.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but you understand my logic. What you're saying only

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Speaker 6: makes sense. If Joe Biden is actually way more popular,

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Speaker 6: drop out. If the polls are accurate, they don't need

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Speaker 6: nationwide than he than the polls are saying. Right, the

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Speaker 6: logic of what you're arguing only Thanks for the call,

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Speaker 6: Do you understand that.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it? Yeah, yeah, why yeah? But look, I

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Speaker 1: I just say, it is.

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Speaker 4: Possible that Joe Biden is weak right now for all

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Speaker 4: the reasons that we know, and the polls are accurately

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Speaker 4: about why he should be replaced Among Democrats. But the

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Speaker 4: notion that this is being this is your point, manipulated

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Speaker 4: evidence for that?

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Speaker 1: You would have to believe.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is what you're getting at, that

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Speaker 4: in reality Biden's actually up three or four points or

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Speaker 6: And the Trump argument, the anti Trump argument that I

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Speaker 6: is oh, they're rigging things for Trump because they want

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Speaker 6: I think we could we can just on the shorthandser

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Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. You don't buy the Trump trap

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Speaker 4: I don't not buy the Trump Well, first of all,

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Speaker 4: I think that the polls, I don't believe that there's

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Speaker 4: some hidden hand manipulating the poles.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a polling expert, but I'm just I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't see that.

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Speaker 1: I think you can.

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Speaker 4: I think you can also manipulate poles based on the

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Speaker 4: sample size and how you ask the question, everything else.

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Speaker 1: But to get so.

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Speaker 4: Many polls so clearly saying the same thing. You can

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Speaker 4: manipulate a pole a few points, just like you can

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Speaker 4: manipulate elections a few points. But when you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Democrats want to run against Trump.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that. I think they view it now,

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Speaker 4: Their perception, okay. I think they view Trump as the

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Speaker 4: most beatable by Biden. I think they could be wrong,

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Speaker 4: and right now, there may be a whole oh my

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Speaker 1: The first place.

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Speaker 4: That's because because the remember the bringing the indictments, it

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Speaker 4: But we're seeing more than base consolidation.

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Speaker 6: I think what they have not taken into account is

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Speaker 4: Matt writes. Fear of Trump is a major motivator for

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Speaker 8: world for our children where they've got hope and a future.

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Speaker 6: And also, this is significant because you're not saying that

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Speaker 6: no one should ever be able to read a book

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Speaker 6: like this. You're just saying second grader shouldn't be exposed

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Speaker 6: to the idea of trans identity. I mean, that's wild

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Speaker 6: for I mean, I've got a third grader. The idea

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Speaker 6: that we would be teaching kids that young that they

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Speaker 6: are not the gender they think they are is madness

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Speaker 6: because kids that young are not very far away from

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Speaker 6: pretending that they're different animals, or that they have imaginary friends.

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Speaker 6: And as my wife likes to say, we wouldn't let

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Speaker 6: our kids pick what they can eat at that age,

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Speaker 6: We're gonna let them pick their gender.

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 3: It is wild, And what we're seeing is where do

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Speaker 3: we want to go with this?

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is a brilliant wedge that will ultimately

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Speaker 8: separate children from their parents. And I think that is

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Speaker 8: one of the main goals. When you sexualize children at

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Speaker 8: a young age and you get them to start questioning

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Speaker 8: basic fundamental building blocks of society, like am I a

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Speaker 8: boy or a girl?

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Speaker 3: And I can change that?

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Speaker 8: You are able to then pequk their curiosity, take them

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Speaker 8: down a rabbit hole, and get them to trust in

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Speaker 8: communities that don't have their best interest in mind. And

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Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, the parents are the they're

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Speaker 8: the archaic people, and they can't be trusted, and they're

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Speaker 8: trans phobe or their whatever phobe. And pretty soon you've

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Speaker 8: got seven hours a day with these kids all by

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Speaker 8: yourself to train them into little Marxist lemmings to do

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Speaker 8: exactly what the state wants them to do. So, look,

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Speaker 8: we can either wind and complain, or we can get

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Speaker 8: in the game and start moving the ball in the

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Speaker 8: right direction. That's why I have partnered up with Brave Books.

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Speaker 8: I've partnered up with Skytree book Fairs to replace Scholastic

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Speaker 8: and all of this harmful stuff and get helpful, wholesome

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Speaker 8: books onto the shelves of libraries and public schools and

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Speaker 8: private schools across the country.

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Speaker 4: You know, Kirk, I know that you've tried to go

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Speaker 4: to some libraries to read wholesome, uplifting and worthwhile books.

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Speaker 4: And this isn't an era of drag Queen Story Hour

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Speaker 4: And you know some of the trans agenda books and

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Speaker 4: things you mentioned that seems to be fine with libraries.

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Speaker 4: But you wanting to read nice, wholesome stuff. That's been

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Speaker 4: a problem sometimes at these libraries.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this has been going on for the last year.

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Speaker 8: I suppose if I just if I just busted out

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Speaker 8: my fishnet stockings, my mini skirt and heels and showed

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Speaker 8: up as you know, Kirk, dazzle Glamoroni, I'd have been

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Speaker 8: accepted with open arms. But because I came in and said, hey,

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Speaker 8: how about we sing God bless America, recite the Pledge

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Speaker 8: of Allegiance. We thank God for giving us such a

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Speaker 8: special country and let's read a book about faith, hope,

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Speaker 8: and love. It was a hard no in some libraries.

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Speaker 8: Now other libraries were like, come on, we want you

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Speaker 8: to come here. We don't like all of this garbage

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Speaker 8: that we're getting getting shoved down our throats. And when

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Speaker 8: they told me I couldn't come, and I reminded them

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Speaker 8: that this is America. This is called viewpoint discrimination on

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Speaker 8: their side, and that I would be prepared to exercise

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Speaker 8: my constitutional rights against them for the discrimination, they changed

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Speaker 8: their mind. We showed up and three thousand parents and

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Speaker 8: grandparents were there to welcome us, flooding the library, making

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Speaker 8: it the most attended event in the history of these

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Speaker 8: downtown libraries.

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Speaker 3: In blue cities.

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Speaker 8: So the narrative, the perception is not the reality. Boots

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Speaker 8: on the ground, people in the trenches, moms and dads

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Speaker 8: and grandparents want the stuff that leads to their children's

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Speaker 8: blessing and protection. And we've just got to not be afraid,

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Speaker 8: stand up and get into game. I mean, look what

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Speaker 8: Elon Musk is doing right now. Look how he is

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Speaker 8: championing free speech and telling these people to f off

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Speaker 8: if they want to try to buy his free speech.

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Speaker 3: From him with money.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'd use a different lexicon, but we need

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Speaker 8: to have the same attitude of if we trade our

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Speaker 8: freedoms for safety, we'll end up with either, because the

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Speaker 8: government will come in and they will shut down everything,

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Speaker 8: and they're well underway.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm fascinated by your path here. A lot of

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Speaker 6: people out there listening are around mine in Buck's age,

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Speaker 6: and we grew up watching you on Growing Pains nineteen

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Speaker 6: eighties television. I like to show nineteen eighties movies to

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Speaker 6: my kids. There is a wholesomeness to them that doesn't

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Speaker 6: necessarily seem to exist in our culture today. Would you

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Speaker 6: have ever believed, working in Hollywood making a super popular

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Speaker 6: show that twenty five thirty years after that show you

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Speaker 6: would be going around trying to get people to read

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Speaker 6: wholesome books, or that it would even be necessary.

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Speaker 8: No, never thought I'd be hanging out with two guys

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Speaker 8: like Buck and Clay on a radio program like this

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Speaker 8: talking about essential values, about first principles in the nation,

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Speaker 8: and in fact, you know, all this is really driven

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Speaker 8: by my love for God and my love for my family,

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Speaker 8: which was really a foreign concept to me, at least

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Speaker 8: on the God stuff when I was on growing pains

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Speaker 8: because I was an atheist at the time and I changed.

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Speaker 1: Why did you change? What happened in your life?

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Speaker 8: Well, I could explain it in so many different ways,

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Speaker 8: but I met a really cute girl who invited me

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Speaker 8: to church. And not to devolve too far down just

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Speaker 8: to say that I became a Christian for her, because

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Speaker 8: I didn't. But what transpired was I believe God himself

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Speaker 8: opening my eyes through asking questions, getting great answers, hearing

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Speaker 8: the message that really captured my heart my mind and

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Speaker 8: went down a road that led me to believe that

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Speaker 8: it took more faith for me to hang on to

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Speaker 8: my atheism blind faith to believe that God does not

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Speaker 8: exist than it did to believe that all of this

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Speaker 8: came as a result of a powerful, intelligent creator. So

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Speaker 8: that's uh that that was a big shift for me.

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Speaker 8: So the fact that I'm here with you guys talking

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Speaker 8: about this stuff and pushing back the darkness, making inroads

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Speaker 8: for the for for the Kingdom of light, and and

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Speaker 8: and establishing what's good and right and beautiful for children, Man,

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Speaker 8: I couldn't be more thankful.

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Speaker 4: And how do you think, you know, how do you

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Speaker 4: think the movement is going Kirk to create more content

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Speaker 4: specifically for for children these days, that has to come

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Speaker 4: from more independent creators. You know, we're gonna have Daily

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Speaker 4: Wire guys on and now that's they're making a kind

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Speaker 4: of a mockumentary, or you know, a film that's taking

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Speaker 4: on the trans issue that's not necessarily for kids. But

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Speaker 4: I think they've also done some children's books, and I

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Speaker 4: think Matt Walsh did a children's book, and they're trying

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Speaker 4: to create more of this content because you know, it

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Speaker 4: feels like for the for the average American, if you

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Speaker 4: believe in traditional values, if you believe in God, like

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Speaker 4: Disney has abandoned.

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Speaker 3: You ondred percent.

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Speaker 8: But you know, if we can go back and bring

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Speaker 8: Noah Webster back our founding fathers and John Adams and

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Speaker 8: George Washington and all the good guys and ask them

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Speaker 8: what's going, I imagine they would say something like, Kirk

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Speaker 8: clay Buck, you never should have depended on Disney in

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Speaker 8: the first place. You shouldn't be hanging your hat on

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Speaker 8: companies or organizations that are going to keep these values going.

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Speaker 3: This has been entrusted to you as dads, as moms.

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Speaker 8: You've got to teach this stuff to your kids, And

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Speaker 8: at the heart of the whole thing, you have to

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Speaker 8: understand that this thing called freedom is a gift from God,

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Speaker 8: and you've got to protect it, and you've got to

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Speaker 8: nourish it, and you've got to just go for it

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Speaker 8: with all of your heart.

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Speaker 6: Kirk, we really appreciate the time. We know how hard

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Speaker 6: you are working. If people want to see more of

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Speaker 6: your work, where should they go, Well.

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Speaker 8: You could follow me on my social media platforms, or

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Speaker 8: better yet, go to stop scholastic dot com and see

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Speaker 8: the movements that we are up to this weekend.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we got into how the Marvel moved

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Speaker 4: has a Marvel's has bombed.

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Speaker 1: Which we should discuss a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the worst worst opening for a Marvel movie ever,

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Speaker 4: and this one was particularly woke. I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of like women leads or something in it.

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Speaker 1: How many Marvel movies have you seen.

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Speaker 4: Oh, like less than three? I think I mean very few.

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Speaker 4: I I mean I grew up reading comic books. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just think most of the Marvel Universe movies are

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Speaker 4: just cgi headaches. I'll just be honest. I just think

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Speaker 4: there there's no there's no story, there's no writing.

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Speaker 1: It's all just.

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Speaker 4: Like like Aliens flying around New York City going into

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Speaker 4: buildings while Hulk is like smash and you know, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, it's nothing.

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Speaker 1: I've seen almost all. We'll get into this and I

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Speaker 1: have I have pissed off like half the planet. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's okay.

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Speaker 6: The boys. I mean, when you have young kids, I

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Speaker 6: probably like them. Yes, I've seen every pretty much Marvel movie.

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Speaker 6: I like some superhero movies.

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Speaker 4: Well, so to be fair, if you're talking about Iron Man,

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Speaker 4: like the original Iron Man movie, I thought it was

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Speaker 4: a good movie. Like I enjoyed that. I like the

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Speaker 4: Dark Knight and and the Christian Bale. I like the

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Speaker 4: original Batman. I'm a superhero guy. I just think the

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Speaker 4: Marvel universe turned into it. It's just too many and

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Speaker 4: there's like no story and it's too much cgi. I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying, as you know, grumpy old man Buck is

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Speaker 4: on his lawn and he's telling Hulk and four to

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Speaker 4: get off his lawn. That's all I'm saying. They probably

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Speaker 4: will not listen to me. Then there's something else too.

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Speaker 4: You see that they've cast Denzel Washington as Hannibal in

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Speaker 4: a Netflix movie. Now, I've been wondering when somebody the

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Speaker 4: Second Punic War is one of the most amazing stories.

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Speaker 1: In all of military history.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Hannibal Barka, with a blood oath from from childhood,

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Speaker 4: leads this army, starts in Spain, goes up through the Alps,

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Speaker 4: comes down people just talking about the elephants. Basically all

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Speaker 4: the elephants died. But you have to read Livy's history

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Speaker 4: of Hannibal's War in order to know this stuff. But

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Speaker 4: they comes down and just kicks the Romans butts at

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Speaker 4: Lake Trasimani and and Kenny and all these other play

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Speaker 4: Kena people say different ways, and is arguably the greatest

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Speaker 4: general of all time. I mean, it's him Napoleon, who

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Speaker 4: also has a movie coming out of Ridley Scott.

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Speaker 1: Which looks really good, looks amazing.

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Speaker 4: I will, I will, I will actually sit in a

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Speaker 4: theater with other people to see that movie, which is

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Speaker 4: very rare for me.

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Speaker 1: What does that movie come out? Is it Thanksgiving? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think soon ish. I've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of press for it. I'm actually excited to watch that movie.

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Speaker 6: I think Riley Phoenix is Phoenix is going to be

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Speaker 6: clearly a weirdo, but a very.

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Speaker 4: Very talented actor. A lot of very talented actors are,

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Speaker 4: so Hannibal is one of the greatest generals of all time.

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Speaker 4: They've cast Denzel Washington to play Hannibal. Now, now people

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Speaker 4: are getting into this little bit. Denzel Washington, for me,

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Speaker 4: is one of the best actors of his generation, top

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Speaker 4: five actor of his generation period, full stop, one of

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Speaker 4: the best actors living today. So it's not that Denzel

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Speaker 4: Washington would not do a phenomenal job. He's a phenomenal actor. Fine,

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Speaker 4: but people are getting into Okay, does it matter as

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Speaker 4: a matter of historical act if you're looking at historical accuracy,

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Speaker 4: that while the city of Carthage was in North Africa,

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Speaker 4: they are descendants. It was essentially a colony of Phoenicians.

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Speaker 4: Phoenicians come from what is currently the Levant, which would

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Speaker 4: be Israel, Lebanon, Syria, that area. So it was a

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Speaker 4: Phoenician city even founded before ancient Rome was it is

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Speaker 4: not because people think of North Africa and I think

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Speaker 4: they think, oh Africa. It's it's not some Saharan Africa.

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Speaker 4: So basically Hannibal, why Hannibal would have looked like a Mediterranean,

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Speaker 4: Eastern Mediterranean, perhaps white guy. Yes, that that is what

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Speaker 4: that is the same. By the way, people talked about

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Speaker 4: this with Cleopatra. When the Cleopatra movie came out as well,

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Speaker 4: they said, oh, well, she lives in Egypt. No, she

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have even an Arab at that time. It was

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Speaker 4: a Greek colony. The Greek said, people have no knowledge

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Speaker 4: of the Mediterranean and its history whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I actually find that a fascinating period.

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Speaker 6: So I need to re I'm fascinated by it too.

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Speaker 6: Your knowledge, I'm like a Civil War history nerd. I

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Speaker 6: need to study more on on this. So I don't

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Speaker 6: have a problem with actors playing people that if they

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Speaker 6: are incredibly talented actors that they may not represent perfectly

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Speaker 6: from a racial dynamic, right, But I think it has

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Speaker 6: to be consistent. And you could well imagine who's a

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Speaker 6: famous Uh you had a.

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Speaker 4: Washington played Malcolm X phenomenally it was Yeah, he was

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Speaker 4: probably should have gotten the oscar for that, but anyway,

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Speaker 4: he was phenomenal in Malcolm. Yes, if you had not,

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Speaker 4: even if you had like an like a super talented

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Speaker 4: you know, Asian American guy play Malcolm X.

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Speaker 1: People would completely lose their minds. Correct.

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Speaker 6: Now that's a more recent history. This is such a

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Speaker 6: good conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 6: Let me say this, I went and saw Denzel Washington

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Speaker 6: on a Broadway play and it was I don't even

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Speaker 6: remember what the play was. I'm such a Denzel fan

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Speaker 6: that my life. Just as like, I think you're gonna

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Speaker 6: think this is badass, Like, let's go see this play.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe how talented he is in a broad

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Speaker 6: Way play.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, he's amazing. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm fine if the rules are we don't care and

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Speaker 4: anyone can play anyone because it's all make believe anyway.

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Speaker 1: Fine, yes, those have to be the rules.

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Speaker 4: It can't be historical accuracy doesn't matter for wokeness purposes,

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Speaker 4: but whoa and other things.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't have some other guy. You know

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Speaker 1: you have to do this.

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Speaker 6: It's a good let's have a conversation about this when

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Speaker 6: it comes back. Does it matter how old it is

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Speaker 6: as a part of the analysis, because I think it

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Speaker 6: could