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Speaker 2: It is now Sunday, September sixth, the year of Our Lord,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Back home, it's family reunion weekend.

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Speaker 2: Now. The plan a couple of months ago was to

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Speaker 2: We did watch some college football, as it turns out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you guys, and various conferences without that P five attached

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Speaker 2: This is just a show that is meant to advocate

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Speaker 2: As for Georgia, I feel good about their potential. Still

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he wouldn't have ended up being unseated. I

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Speaker 2: as it turns out, you first team reps on Jamie Newman.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a big boy conversation here. Now we have JT. Daniels,

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Speaker 1: Go look it up.

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Speaker 2: Dewan mathis a surgery. Juwan mathis surgery. Go look that up.

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Speaker 2: This was a big scrimmage, a really big one. We

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Speaker 2: This is a team that is capable of winning a

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Speaker 2: It is very clear from everyone on the ground at

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Speaker 1: JT. Daniels had a good day. JT.

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Speaker 2: Daniels had by far the best day out of any

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Speaker 1: You don't have that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you are a defense that feels you could hold

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Speaker 2: We don't know any of that. So admittedly, this is

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Speaker 2: And you have such risk aversion knowing you don't need

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Speaker 2: and I don't believe in reality that's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's defense is stacked. They are elite. I think they're

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Speaker 1: YadA YadA YadA.

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Speaker 2: He knows he can beat seven to eight teams on

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Speaker 2: You don't do that playing good, solid defense and ball control.

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Speaker 2: They tried it last year. That's not how you're going

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Speaker 1: Daniels. That's who it is. Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he alone can shoulder the load. Offensive

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Speaker 2: And two things also that I'll keep watching with them

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Speaker 1: It's just a new word for it.

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Speaker 2: It's just basically, how consistently can you create disruption and

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Speaker 1: One hiccup, couple of hiccups.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a name to watch. It's no new

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Speaker 2: they started targeting at Georgia a few years ago, and

436
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: he is entering his second year.

437
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 1: Now.

438
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 2: That guy's gonna shine. He's really good. He's a guy

439
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 2: that you really really have to game plan for. So

440
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 2: those are updates from the two scrimmages in Tuscaloosa and

441
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 2: Athens respectively yesterday, and they bear watching, they bear close watching,

442
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about a lot more later

443
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: this week, but those were the two that I wanted

444
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: to specifically focus on tonight. Okay, let me take a

445
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: deep breath and you take a deep breath along with me.

446
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: The very latest in the Big ten. When we last

447
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: spoke on Thursday, what were we talking about? You remember,

448
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 2: we were talking about a it looking like it could

449
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 2: be eminent that a revote was coming on the state

450
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 2: of the fall twenty twenty college football season in the

451
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: Big Ten. I understand how frustrating this must be if

452
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: you're just a casual fan, if you don't care about

453
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: the politics of the sport, if you don't care about

454
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: the intricacies, if you just want I just want to

455
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: turn on my TV on Saturday and I want to

456
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: watch Michigan State versus Penn State. That's all I want.

457
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: Is that too much to ask? Well, yes it is,

458
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: But I understand the question. The questions are, why can't

459
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: they play if others are playing, Like I imagine a lot

460
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: of people who have kind of been tuned out over

461
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: the summer and they're just now coming back to the table.

462
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 2: You say, wait a second, if the sport were shut down,

463
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But you're telling me they're playing in

464
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: the SEC Central Arkansas's played how many games, They've already

465
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: played two games, and we can't play because of why?

466
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: That's the second thing.

467
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: What are the reasons exactly? Has anyone really downed those down?

468
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 2: What data are they talking about? What abundantly clear? And

469
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking at a peanut gallery here that's

470
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: actually not in existence. You probably ask yourself, well, why

471
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: can't they just go play with other teams like Notre

472
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: Dame did, or you probably ask yourself, well, how come

473
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: we can't get the teams who want to play together

474
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: and the ones who don't want to play can sit

475
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: on the sideline? Doesn't it seem so easy, like we

476
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: used to. I'm at home right now, I'm in Georgia.

477
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: So across the street there's this old tree house, and

478
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: we used to have a little group of folks that

479
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 2: met in the treehouse over there, and we built this

480
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: little community. Amongst ourselves are little treehouse government. The rules

481
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: were so simple. You put a dollar in every week

482
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: and eventually you'll be able to get one of our

483
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: treehouse T shirts. I mean, that was it. It wasn't

484
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going to contribute, but I still want a

485
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: T shirt down the road, or well, I don't think

486
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: we can do the T shirts safely, so none of

487
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: you get the T shirts. We need a more clubhouse mentality,

488
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: We need a treehouse government mentality in the Big ten.

489
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: But as we record today and it is a Sunday morning,

490
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 2: so don't blame me for anything that happened between now

491
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: and the time you're watching this. I got a family

492
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: reunion to go to, guys, I had to.

493
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: Pre record today.

494
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: We can only know what's recorded, and we can only

495
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: know what is public. Now, let me tell you this,

496
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: So we don't know if there's a revote. We don't

497
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: think there is a revote that has taken place yet,

498
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: having accepted what reality is in the Big ten, if

499
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: I were involved, I wouldn't let it leak under the

500
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: threat of death penalty. I would not let it leak

501
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: if we were revoting. And the simple reason is because

502
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: if we arrive at the same conclusion that we did

503
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: in August, and we released that we revoted and came

504
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: to the same conclusion, I don't want that torch and

505
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: pitchfork mob on my front lawn somewhere. So we think

506
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: we know, but we don't really know. Now, let me

507
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: give you my interpretation. I think a vote is coming.

508
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: I fully believe a revote is coming. I don't care

509
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: how many National Blue check marks report otherwise. I believe

510
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: a revote is coming. The general feel that I've gotten

511
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: from talking to people as plugged in as you can

512
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: be here, none of whom are university presidents or chancellors.

513
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: So take that for what you will. I think about

514
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: anywhere from six to eight teams are ready to go.

515
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: You heard Jim Harbaugh yesterday walking. He was on his

516
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: way somewhere. There's a mic in his face. I mean

517
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: he said, hey, man, we're ready to play tomorrow or

518
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: we can play in two weeks. We're ready. I mean,

519
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: we've been practicing. A lot of teams up there have

520
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: been practicing. I think about six to eight, somewhere in

521
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: that range are ready to play. I think the numbers

522
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: probably four or five that don't want to play. And

523
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: then I think we have a couple on the fence.

524
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: And I also think what has been rumored with the

525
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: Michigan president, I think that's true. I think the Michigan

526
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: president is a big sticking point here. There were reports

527
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: over the weekend, including this morning, that you know, the

528
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: head football coach at Michigan being Jim Harbaugh, the head

529
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: football coach cannot get in touch with the president of Michigan,

530
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: even as the president of Michigan is posting videos of

531
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: himself on YouTube and Twitter. So again, casual fan comes

532
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: back to the table. Must look at the situation and say,

533
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: what has twenty twenty provided us here? What account for

534
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: yourself twenty twenty There is no accounting for it. So

535
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: what's on the table? Plans B and C non starters

536
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: for me? Non start Thanksgiving sync up with the PAC

537
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: twelve non starter for me. Don't care about it, don't

538
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: accept it, reject it. Holy pathetic. If you can't get

539
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: the season off the ground in October, there's no way

540
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: you're going to look at me and say, oh, but

541
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: November will be cool. And then if you can't get

542
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: it off the ground in November and your Plan C,

543
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: so to speak, is a spring start, that's a double

544
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: non starter for me, and I think for most of

545
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: your quality.

546
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: NFL bound players it'll be a non starter.

547
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: It is really really aggravating to even think about those

548
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: options B and C. But I'll tell you at the

549
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: more fundamental level, as we all kind of sit here

550
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: in a holding pattern, and a lot of you have

551
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: figured this out. But if you haven't figured it out

552
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: already again, if you try and remove yourself from the

553
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 2: political nature of this, what the most aggravating part of

554
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: this is now and always will be, is that, unfortunately

555
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: some of the people in decision making positions here are

556
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: not remotely as passionate about this sport as you.

557
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: And I are.

558
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: Now what does that mean, Well, it means they don't

559
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: have the emotional investment here.

560
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: And let me pause.

561
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: Let me do something I frequently do on the show

562
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: and tell you what I didn't just say. What I

563
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: didn't just say is if you care about this sport,

564
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: then you should push forward for it, no matter what.

565
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.

566
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: If there were quality analysis and data on the table

567
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: that showed that there is an extreme risk to college

568
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: football players eighteen to twenty two year old, fully healthy

569
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: athletic males if they are put in an environment to

570
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: play college football, if that were on a piece of

571
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: paper in front of me right now, I'd be the

572
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: first one beating the drum the loudest saying Nope, we

573
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: cannot play. Don't care what it means for my personal

574
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: well being or satisfaction, we can't play.

575
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Guys. That doesn't exist. It does not exist.

576
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: If anything, the opposite exists, if anything it is a

577
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: safer environment, it doesn't exist.

578
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: And because of that.

579
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: People like me are very, very very ardently pushing for

580
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: a season to happen as are a lot of you

581
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: in Big ten country, but yet your leadership is failing you.

582
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Leadership is a very loose term that I.

583
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: Use right now.

584
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: But the flaw in the system is they don't care.

585
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: So whereas you and I may look at it and understand,

586
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: there is an area that is non zero risk. So

587
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: you know there is a slight risk but is fully acceptable.

588
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: It's just like when you get in a car and

589
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: drive to work. I mean, you can't guarantee you're not

590
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: going to get in erect, but the odds are very remote,

591
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: so you're perfectly willing to take the small, non zero risk.

592
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: We have a non zero risk here, well within the

593
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: margin of acceptability. Someone who doesn't want to play the sport, though,

594
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: can reasonably take that non zero risk. Float it over

595
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: your head, use medical jargon and terminology that is meant

596
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: to make you feel inferior intellectually, when in reality a

597
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff has been common sense all along,

598
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: and they can say, look, there's a risk here. If

599
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: even one person catches COVID nineteen because of decisions we made,

600
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: we'll have blood on our hands.

601
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: No, you won't.

602
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: No, first off, if that happens, you'll have someone who

603
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: has COVID nineteen.

604
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: That's that's what you'll have. That's what you have.

605
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: What is the risk if you don't play and you

606
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: put guys back out in the environment that they would

607
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: otherwise be in.

608
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: What is the risk there?

609
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Because I can tell you what the numbers say there,

610
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: we can have some firm, databased conversations there.

611
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to have.

612
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Them, though, because the argument that you're making and the

613
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: viewpoint you're coming from is an intellectually bankrupt viewpoint. You

614
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: don't believe what you're saying half the time, So I'm

615
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: not going to believe it either. But I cannot stress enough,

616
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: cannot stress enough how important it is to have a season,

617
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: and I want to warn you PAC twelve is about

618
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: to experience this. The PAC twelve understands and has understood

619
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: when people walk away, you know, when you don't give

620
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: them something good enough, or in this case, maybe don't

621
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: give them anything at all. But if you don't give

622
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: them something good enough, you cannot take your base for granted.

623
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: When you turn on PAC twelve football and you see

624
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: that it is a shell of what it once was.

625
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: What that is is some people left and they never

626
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: came back to the table, and you don't think it

627
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: could ever happen in the Big Ten. Well, I didn't

628
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: think what's happening now could happen in the Big Ten.

629
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: For many reasons, it is so imperative that you get

630
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: this season off the ground in October, in October, point blank,

631
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: full stop, because if you don't, you will have turned

632
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: a lot of people off to the point where they're

633
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: walking away and you may expect them to be right

634
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: back there at the table come twenty twenty one, and

635
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm telling you all of them won't be. Some of

636
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: them are going to find out I do just fine

637
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: without Big ten football. Can you quantify that impact? And

638
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: by the way, not all those folks will just be fans.

639
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: Not all of those folks will just be someone buying

640
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Big ten Network or purchasing tickets to a Purdue game.

641
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Some of them will be players, some of them will

642
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: be future recruits, and mark my words, some of them

643
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: will be coaches.

644
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: You're a coach and you look.

645
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: Around and you got options in conferences that are willing

646
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: to compensate you equal to what the Big Ten is,

647
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: but you view them as taking football much more seriously.

648
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Where are you going in the future. What if you're

649
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: an up and coming coach right now, what impression is

650
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: being left on you about how serious the Big Ten

651
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: is about football. What if you're a current coach up there,

652
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: You're looking around and you have options and in twenty

653
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty twenty three when it's time to

654
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Speaker 2: have a hardcore behind the scenes of negotiation. This is

655
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: not Ohio State's fault, this is not Penn State's fault.

656
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: But yet programs like that, for all you know, could

657
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: be victimized down the road because of the utter incompetence

658
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: that is on full display in Big Ten leadership positions.

659
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Speaker 2: Just something to keep an eye on. I think we're

660
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Speaker 2: going to have some movement early this week at the

661
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: very latest. I had two questions here that I wanted

662
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Speaker 2: to rap with. Trey and Steven both asked questions and

663
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Speaker 2: I wanted to address them both kind of in one segment.

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Speaker 2: So Trey asked, what do you think about the rumblings

665
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Speaker 2: were hearing out of LSU this weekend. I'll explain that

666
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Speaker 2: in a second. Steven said, do you think this year

667
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Speaker 2: if it goes sideways, could it be so bad it

668
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Speaker 2: hurts LSU recruiting? So I'm going to get to both

669
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Speaker 2: of these. Trey asked a question, what do I think

670
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: about what we're hearing out of LSU. A lot of

671
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: you probably aren't aware of what's been happening down there

672
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: unless you're an LSU fan. But this is important because

673
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: it ties into the greater college football picture and what

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Speaker 2: I told you was coming. Remember two weeks ago, two

675
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: weekends ago at Oklahoma, they had a player organized massive

676
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: recruiting weekend. You cannot do this right now because it

677
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: is a recruiting dead period. Coaches can't be organizing this

678
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: stuff like they normally would, but players can because there's

679
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: no rule on what players are allowed to do at

680
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: the high school level if they want to pay their

681
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: own way. So Caleb Williams, number one quarterback in the

682
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Speaker 2: country this upcoming recruiting cycleies.

683
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Speaker 1: Committed to Oklahoma.

684
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: He and a lot of other folks got together and

685
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: they just did their own recruiting visit with a bunch

686
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: of elite guys, some of whom were not committed to

687
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and still aren't, And they just did a visit

688
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: and they hung out and they went to Norman and

689
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people took notice that Georgia didn't have

690
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: a flashy name for their weekend, but they did the

691
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: same thing a couple of weekends ago. And so we

692
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: came out of that and I had a lot of

693
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: people in the comment section saying, Oh, they're cheating, Oh

694
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: there's no way that just players organized that. Well, look

695
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: at what they have to resort to. And I told

696
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: you number one, I thought it was brilliant, and number two,

697
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: I said, careful, careful if you're a Texas fan, or

698
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: an Alabama fan or an LSU Florida.

699
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: I had everybody. It ran the gamut.

700
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: Everybody who was not of Oklahoma or Georgia was criticizing

701
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: this and throwing around accusations, and I said, you better

702
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: be careful because you will be doing this soon. LSU

703
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: did it this weekend. LSU, and I don't know if

704
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: they had a fancy name for it either, But I

705
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: was talking to Shaye Dixon done at GO twenty four

706
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: to seven about kind of what led up to this,

707
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: and sure enough, Garrett Nussmeyer, just like Caleb Williams, big

708
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: time quarterback commit for LSU and their upcoming class, kind

709
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: of organized a big recruiting weekend. How big Josh, How

710
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: big was this recruiting weekend? I mean, big could mean

711
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: so many things. Well, how does this sound now? I

712
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: don't know what the final numbers are. I know they

713
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: planned on having thirteen guys in there, all thirteen in

714
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: the top one fifty. I think nine of the thirteen

715
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: ranked in the top one hundred of the top two

716
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: four to seven player rankings. So is that big enough

717
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: for you? Mason Smith, five star defensive tackle, Corey Foreman,

718
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: all the way out of California, one of the very

719
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: top players in America, Tristan Lay, five star offensive tackle,

720
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: all in town. And so, now juxtaposed this to what

721
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: the latest word out of LSU is, man, it's just

722
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: been negative, negative, negative, blow after blow after blow. Recruiting

723
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: is not going away here, Okay, I don't care if

724
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: they go five and five this year. Recruiting's not going away.

725
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: Imagine the selling point now, if you're a salesman like

726
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: ed Orgeron is. As much as this season may have

727
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: some hurdles, imagine the selling point that we just won

728
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: a national championship fifteen minutes ago, and we got a

729
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: lot of play in time to say, well, and we're

730
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Speaker 2: good at recruiting and we're in Louisiana. You know, we

731
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Speaker 2: have everything to offer, not the hardest proposition in the

732
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Speaker 2: world to push. But here was the second question that

733
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Speaker 2: we got from Steve, and again, do you think this

734
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: year could be so bad that it hurts LSU recruiting? No, No,

735
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: I don't from a record standpoint.

736
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Speaker 1: Now.

737
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: If there are unforeseen internal or cultural issues that arise,

738
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Speaker 2: that's beyond the scope of anything we could talk about

739
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: on this show right now.

740
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: But if it's just a.

741
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: Garden variety, you know, win the National Championship, lose a

742
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: lot of talent, and then have some more guys opt out,

743
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: so you just don't have good enough players and or

744
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: experience in team chemistry to win.

745
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: And that's it.

746
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: No, Actually, it could do the opposite, It could do

747
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: the inverse. It could help think about what you have

748
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: at LSU that any virtually any other team that could

749
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Speaker 2: struggle this year doesn't have. I'm going to do a

750
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: comparative analysis here. This is not a prediction, but for

751
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: argument's sake, let's take Georgia. Georgia is expected to compete

752
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: for the SEC this year. But let's say Georgia went

753
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: six and four. Let's just say for whatever reason things

754
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: went sideways for them. They went six and four, And

755
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: let's say LSU went six and four this year too.

756
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: Think about the differences in the way that recruits would

757
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: look at those programs and the differences in the way

758
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: that competing programs would be able to recruit against them

759
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: on the recruiting trail. So, if I am a five

760
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: star linebacker out of what random town do we want

761
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: to pick, let's do Let's do Tyler, Texas. So I'm

762
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: a five star linebacker out of Tyler, Texas. This is

763
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: a theoretical five star linebacker. I don't think we have

764
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: one in Tyler, Texas this year. But I'm down to

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: Georgia and I'm down to filling the blank university in

766
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: LSU and filling the blank universities in my living room.

767
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: They could look at me if Georgia went six and four,

768
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: they could look at me and say, ma'am, I don't

769
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: think Kirby's got it, dude. They're not going to win

770
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: a national championship over there, Like, what are you going

771
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: to achieved there? They got all those resources, they got

772
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: everything they could ever need, but they just don't get

773
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: it done. You can't say that about LSU because LSU

774
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: has something very few folks have. When they walk into

775
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: your living room, they got a national championship in their

776
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: back pocket. And they also have a litany of guys

777
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: they just sent to the NFL Draft. So I want

778
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: three things, really. I want to be able to compete

779
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: for championships. I want to be developed to my full potential.

780
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: And I want to get access to playing time. I

781
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: want to earn it, but I want to get access

782
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: to playing time. If LSU season goes bad. They've got

783
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: the national championship ring on their finger when they walk

784
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: in my living room and it's still fresh, still nice

785
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: and shiny. They just want it. So they've proven to

786
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: me already, with the right players in the stable, we

787
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: can win a championship. Man, we just set all kinds

788
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: of records and doing so. Number two, all those guys

789
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: who won that title are in the NFL now, so

790
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: there's your proof of development. And number three, did you

791
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: hear what I said? All those guys are in the

792
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: NFL and we just had a bad year. You know

793
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: what that means. That means we can develop. That means

794
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: we can get you to the NFL. That means we

795
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: can win a title, and that means we need you

796
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: to be able to do it again. And look at

797
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: all this potential playing time. So no, again, outside of

798
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: some external factor that we could never see, there is

799
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: no way that one bad season is knocking LSU recruiting

800
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: off track. Absolutely not happening. All right, man, A little,

801
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: I guess not all that much. A shorter show today

802
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: than normal, but again, Family Reunion Sunday happens the first

803
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: Sunday in September every single year, so had to do

804
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: it from home today.

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Speaker 1: Really really appreciate you guys.

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00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Again, as I told you, it does not go unnoticed

807
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Speaker 2: how many of you are subscribing to the twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven Sports YouTube channel. The five star reviews and

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00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: the comments and the subscriptions on the podcast side late

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Speaker 2: Kick search it in your podcast feed if you haven't

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Speaker 2: already in subscribe. Those haven't gone unnoticed either, not just

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Speaker 2: by me, but by people higher in this organization than me.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: We will have a full week for you this week.

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Speaker 2: We've got Grant season previews coming up for various teams

816
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: this week, and the ones that we don't get to

817
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: on the channel, I will still try and get to

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Speaker 2: in some shape form or fashion. Also, remember we are

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Speaker 2: doing two episodes on the podcast side of Late Kick Extra.

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Speaker 2: That's just a Q and a just you ask the

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Speaker 2: questions I answer him. You can submit questions for that

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Speaker 2: in my inbox Joshpait seven zero six at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 2: follow me on Twitter and you can DM me at Latekickjosh,

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Speaker 2: video if you're watching Latekick Live with a question there

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Speaker 2: and I get to as many of them as I can.

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Speaker 2: We drop those on Tuesday morning and Thursday Morning. Jordan

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Speaker 2: recent edition, by the way, to the podcast team been

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Speaker 2: doing a great job for us.

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Speaker 1: So give Jordan high five if you see him.

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Speaker 2: You probably won't know how to because I don't know

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Speaker 2: what he looks like and you don't know what he

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Speaker 2: looks like either, but at the very least give him

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Speaker 2: nice comment in the comment section.

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Speaker 1: So really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 2: Again for Colin, who's back up in Nashville directing, thanks

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Speaker 2: to him, Thanks for Jordan, Thanks for Tani, I'm Josh

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Speaker 2: pay thanks to you as well. Have a great start

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Speaker 2: to your week, and God bless