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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I went to the meditation class, this intron of

444
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: meditation class, and my first thought was, Wow, this guy

445
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: teaching it is really hot, Like, I wonder if he

446
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: works here, maybe I could like take a course here

447
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: and we.

448
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: Could start dating. Full disclosure, That was my first thought.

449
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: But the meditation thing was cool and I was into that,

450
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: and and then I ended up going back down there

451
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Speaker 1: for a week. So I did this one day and

452
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm into all of this. I'm

453
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: buying into this feels authentic, these people feel knowledgeable, and.

454
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Speaker 2: I trust all of this.

455
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: And so I went down for a week and it

456
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: was a really big leap of faith because it was

457
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Speaker 1: money that I definitely didn't have to spend on this

458
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: really immersive seven day like total mind, body, spirit, cleanse

459
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: and rebalancing, right, And I went down there, and after

460
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Speaker 1: that week, it was just so clear to me that

461
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Speaker 1: that that's the world that I wanted to be in.

462
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Speaker 3: So interesting because you know, like I like running, but

463
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Speaker 3: I was never like, you know what I'm going to do,

464
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to start running full time.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was I had the sense that I could

466
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Speaker 1: like heal there and through all of this work, and

467
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Speaker 1: then I had this really driving desire that I guess

468
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Speaker 1: I would now call like a sense of purpose to

469
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Speaker 1: share this with other people. Right, because I experienced such

470
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Speaker 1: a profound transformation with meditation, with yoga, with using araveta

471
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Speaker 1: and iravata principles in my life, I experienced such a

472
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Speaker 1: transformation that the idea of helping other people that were struggling,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, mentally, physically in some way, it was just unthinkable.

474
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Speaker 3: Describe to me what it's like there.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

476
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Speaker 1: So at the time, it was in north San Diego

477
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Speaker 1: County on the property of a resort called La Costa.

478
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Speaker 1: So it's this very it's like the classic southern California

479
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Speaker 1: like white with like the terra cotta roof and like

480
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Speaker 1: this gorgeous resort.

481
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Speaker 2: Setting and.

482
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Speaker 1: The chop per center at the time was there, and

483
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Speaker 1: you know, it all smells like sandal wood and you're

484
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Speaker 1: just getting really taken care of. Yeah, it was just

485
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Speaker 1: this overwhelming sense of being like loved on.

486
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Speaker 3: And I think that so often, you know, and this

487
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Speaker 3: can be for anyone, whether you're in a serious relationship,

488
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Speaker 3: if you're unattached, if you're married, if you're not married.

489
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Speaker 3: So often we feel so alone that we just want

490
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Speaker 3: that sense of love from someone. So to be able

491
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Speaker 3: to walk into this atmosphere and just feel so overwhelmed

492
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Speaker 3: with like this bigger sense of like I got you. Yes, yes,

493
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Speaker 3: it must have been insane.

494
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, And it didn't hurt that part of

495
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: that week involved like balancing daily iervatic massage treatments and

496
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: food was you know, it was just.

497
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Speaker 3: Really like you're being taken care of, right, Okay, So

498
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Speaker 3: after this week you have this overwhelming sense of purpose,

499
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Speaker 3: which I mean I feel like many people that go

500
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Speaker 3: through there probably feel the same way. And you return

501
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Speaker 3: to your job job.

502
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Speaker 2: How was that within a year? I mean within a

503
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Speaker 2: year I quit. Yeah. Yeah.

504
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't that I hated my job or that

505
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Speaker 1: I hated that industry. It was that I felt such

506
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: a poll to.

507
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Speaker 3: This other thing, right, And so what do you even

508
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: know is possible for you with this poll? Like it's

509
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: not like you can just go there and live this

510
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Speaker 3: life where they're taking care of you all the time.

511
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Speaker 3: Obviously you need to make some sort of living.

512
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Speaker 2: Out of it. Yeah.

513
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Speaker 1: It was one of the first things that I can

514
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Speaker 1: that I can clearly point to and say I and

515
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: I teach about this now. But I took such a

516
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Speaker 1: leap of faith and surrendered completely and was placed in

517
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: the highest possible expression of the desire to like work

518
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Speaker 1: in wellness because again, much like my ignorant googling, where

519
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: I was like wellness southern California when people would say

520
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Speaker 1: to me like, well, you know, I talked to my

521
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: mom or whoever in my life and they'd say, well,

522
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? And I would say, well,

523
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to work in wellness.

524
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Speaker 2: That's it. I didn't know.

525
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Speaker 1: I didn't have any experience, I didn't have any direct

526
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: skill set to be doing this. I just knew I

527
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: wanted to work in wellness and I wanted to help

528
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: share what I had been exposed to with other people.

529
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Speaker 1: And the first thing that I did was apply for

530
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Speaker 1: a job at Lululemon, because that's what you do when

531
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Speaker 1: you're twenty four and in Los Angeles and you want

532
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Speaker 1: to work in wellness, right, you apply to a job

533
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: at luth Lemon, no brainer, which which I didn't get sadly,

534
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: although I'm an ambassador now so it really it all

535
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: worked out in the end, but.

536
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Speaker 2: I didn't get that.

537
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Speaker 1: But and bround that same time, I and I'll just

538
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Speaker 1: tell you this, like quick story. I ordered some herbs

539
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: from the Choke for Center. So I was taking all

540
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Speaker 1: these Irabata herbs. I ordered a bunch online. They sent

541
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Speaker 1: everything to LA and they sent me the complete wrong order,

542
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: and I was so annoyed, Like the New Yorker knew,

543
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: was so annoyed, and how do you do this? And

544
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: don't you have people to check these things? And right,

545
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: so I went into that very judging place for a

546
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: minute and I called them and I said, you know,

547
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: I need to, I guess send you this stuff back.

548
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: And who do I talk to about getting the correct shipment,

549
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. And they put me in touch

550
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Speaker 1: with the person in products. And the person in products

551
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: who was working there used to be my like contact.

552
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Speaker 1: So every time you go to an event there you

553
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Speaker 1: have a person that helps kind of walk you through

554
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: that whole journey. And she said, oh my gosh, how

555
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: are you.

556
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: I remember you.

557
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: How's it going in LA And I said, well, you know,

558
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: what's going great. I want to work in wellness, so

559
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing what that looks like. And after about

560
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Speaker 1: ten minutes she said, you know, I think you would

561
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: be so great in this position that's open here. And

562
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Speaker 1: I said, oh, okay, and she said, wyant't you send

563
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: me your resume? And two days later I went down

564
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Speaker 1: and I was hired on the spot, which never happens there.

565
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Speaker 1: And three days from the beginning of this whole thing,

566
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Speaker 1: I sig a lease for an apartment that I could afford,

567
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: but like, couldn't afford unless I ended up being.

568
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: Good at the job, kind of a situation. And I

569
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Speaker 2: moved down within a week.

570
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Speaker 3: So you sent them your resume, which had nothing to

571
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: do with me, ye know nothing.

572
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: How was that?

573
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Speaker 3: Were you nervous about that?

574
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't. No, I don't.

575
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: And again it's sort of an inexplainable sense of trust

576
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: and surrender and almost like I don't need to do

577
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: anything except get out of the way. I don't need

578
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: to do anything except be in massive alignment and integrity

579
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: with who I am and like the values that I

580
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: have and trust that I will be dropped where I

581
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: need to be. You know, we get like so in

582
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: the way of making the things happen that we want

583
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: to happen in our life. Same thing with like getting

584
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Speaker 1: a book deal. I always tell people getting a job

585
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: working for Deepak Chopra without applying for a job and

586
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: without having any experience, and getting a book deal are

587
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: the two easiest things that have ever happened. And I

588
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: know that makes no sense because those aren't necessarily easy

589
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: things to do, but they took the least amount of

590
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Speaker 1: like external effort and the most amount of internal alignment.

591
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Speaker 3: So talk to me about your first day on the job.

592
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Speaker 2: What are you doing.

593
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Speaker 1: So the first job I had there was being a

594
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Speaker 1: program consultant, So the person who when you want to

595
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: go to an event or when you need to kind

596
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: of navigate the various offerings and healing modalities available there,

597
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: you talk to this person and tell them what's going

598
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: on in your life and they say, here's how we

599
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: can help you.

600
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Speaker 2: So I was that person.

601
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: So I essentially just got to build relationships with people

602
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: that were just like me at one point, looking for healing,

603
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: looking for inspiration, looking for a purpose, looking for all

604
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: of it, and So I spent about three and a

605
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: half years doing that and it was incredible, And I

606
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: was exposed because of that job to all of the

607
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: teachers that taught through there. So whether it's like Wayne

608
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Dyer or Mary and Williamson or Eckhart Toll or obviously

609
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Deepak Schopbra. You know, I just was immersed in this

610
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: world of exposure to all of that and to people

611
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: and their journeys. And during that time, I also got

612
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: certified to teach meditation, which was incredible. So that's where

613
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I did my training and my studying and all of that.

614
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: What's that like, what's the process like to become certified

615
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: to teach meditation?

616
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Speaker 2: So when I did it, it's changed a bit.

617
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Speaker 1: But when I did it involved going to a seven day,

618
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Speaker 1: like thirteen hour a day meditation retreat with Deepak. It

619
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Speaker 1: involved going to a four day iervatic immersion, so kind

620
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: of like a crash college course in Iervidic wisdom. It

621
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: involved about one hundred hours of home study like books

622
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: and testing and mini memorizing things and learning, and then

623
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Speaker 1: it involved a week of again like pretty like thirteen

624
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Speaker 1: hour day teaching practice, teaching testing.

625
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: It was a lot. Yeah, it was yeah, Yeah, I see.

626
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: So many like meditation teacher trainings now that are like

627
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Speaker 1: a quick, you know, day long and I'm like, ooh,

628
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: it takes so much longer than that to have body

629
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Speaker 1: these things. And I had the added obviously, the added

630
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Speaker 1: bonus of working there.

631
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Speaker 2: So I was I was in it.

632
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Speaker 1: You know, I really left my life. I left LA

633
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: for about three and a half years and just immersed

634
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Speaker 1: I think.

635
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Speaker 3: What's I think what's also interesting? And I sat down

636
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: recently with Knox Robinson. He's a runner and a writer

637
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Speaker 3: that lives in New York City, and he and I

638
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: were talking about what happens when you do something like

639
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: hit a marathon personal best. And there's also there's almost

640
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: like a moment where you kind of have to mourn

641
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: what was and open up to what can be. And

642
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: so for you completely abandoning this other life to now

643
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: open yourself up to all of these possibilities, did you

644
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: at all have moments of hesitation or were you scared

645
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: or I mean, I'm sure it felt quite vulnerable.

646
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: I definitely felt vulnerable.

647
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I felt extremely guided by like an internal intuitive force.

648
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I will say, so it didn't feel it didn't feel scary,

649
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: it felt different and new and unknown.

650
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: And one of the biggest byproducts of.

651
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Meditation is this sort of comfort in the uncertainty, this

652
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: comfort in not knowing and again starting to embody in

653
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: align with such a deep sense of trust and surrender

654
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: in my life that had already started to happen for

655
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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, and it also just kept feeling

656
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: really good. So at no point in that in that

657
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: first three and a half years did I ever experience

658
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: anything or or have a moment where it didn't feel

659
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: it could feel it could feel scary, or I could

660
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: feel new, or I could feel intimidating, or but it

661
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't ever feel bad.

662
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Speaker 3: Right, And So when you were going through the training

663
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Speaker 3: to become a meditation instructor, did you know that you

664
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: definitely wanted to teach?

665
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I didn't know what that looks like, right,

666
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: because I because I didn't have any idea what and

667
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: it really wasn't an industry at that time, right, So

668
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that looked like.

669
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: But I felt very compelled.

670
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: To share, right. Yeah, I think that, I mean, because

671
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: you do hear of a lot of people that go

672
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: to things like yoga teacher trainings, and then even you know,

673
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: do that again and a few rounds of it. And

674
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: I know many individuals who haven't actually gotten to the

675
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: point where they're teaching. It was just a really spiritual,

676
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: special experience and opportunity for that.

677
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people do that, a lot of people

678
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of trainings, Yeah, do it to just

679
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: like deepen their own relationship with with a meditation practice,

680
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: with a yoga practice, with cook it, you know, with

681
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Speaker 1: whatever it is.

682
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Speaker 3: So also, like three and a half years in, you're

683
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: living in this completely different place from a personal standpoint.

684
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: How is that because I'm sure you left behind friends.

685
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if your family moved out to la

686
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: or what was going on with that.

687
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've always been I'm unminally child.

688
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why, but I've always been

689
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: a really independent you know, my mom jokes when she

690
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: would drop me off at like sleep away camp, then

691
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, bye, and she'd like do you

692
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: want to hug? Like should we have a moment and

693
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: other kids are crying, and you know, I'm like six

694
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: years old, like I'll see later. So so it felt

695
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: it always felt really excited. It still does really exciting

696
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: for me. To go to new places like I love

697
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: traveling by myself. I love going to cities where I

698
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know anyone. I've always found that exciting. And I

699
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: went to I went to a co op college, which

700
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: is a I went to Northeastern in Boston, which is

701
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: traditionally a five year program, and you go to school

702
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: for six months and then you go get a job

703
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: for six months. So I had these six month job experiences,

704
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and I went to LA for all of mine. So

705
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I actually went to LA for the first time by

706
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: myself when I was nineteen. Wow, for six months, okay,

707
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't know anybody, so so no leaving LA

708
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: going into San Diego was like easy, easy work, easy,

709
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: crazy easy work. My parents at the time were living

710
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. They both retired pretty early and came

711
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: out to visit me and then didn't leave for.

712
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: Like a few years, okay, which was great. Okay, So

713
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: you are a certified meditation teacher and you had this

714
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: great job which you must have turned out to be

715
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: quite good at and I was able to afford your apartment.

716
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: Yep, I was killing it.

717
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: So then what happens next?

718
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Speaker 1: So and I think that there must have been a

719
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: part of that intuitive voice that said you need to

720
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: leave before you get too comfortable here. Interesting because I

721
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: had this all not all of a sudden, but for

722
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: about six months, I had this very burning desire to

723
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: leave and go back to LA and teach meditation. And

724
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: I again, kind of like the first time, I had

725
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: no idea what that looks like or how I would

726
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: make money doing that. I had no clients, and I did,

727
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: and I quit my job at the Chopper Center and

728
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: moved back to LA with when I'm not necessarily advocating

729
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: major life leaps of faith out of you know, security

730
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Speaker 1: nest or blanket.

731
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Speaker 2: But I moved back to LA and I.

732
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Started quote unquote teaching meditation, and I had a side

733
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Speaker 1: A friend of mine has an event company, so I

734
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: had like a side job with him. And then I

735
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: just started being open to teaching meditation. And I had

736
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: like one client in New York that I would like

737
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: remotely meet with, and I slowly started getting introduced to people.

738
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: And then the first ever drop in meditation studio, Unplugged

739
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: Meditation was about to open in LA and I got,

740
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Speaker 1: you know, I got a job teaching there and and

741
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: it just all again. It was a lot of trust

742
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: and a lot of surrender and a lot of being okay.

743
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: Not knowing right.

744
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: And I think what's really interesting about this is it's

745
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: not like someone sat you down and they were like,

746
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: this is exactly how you do what you want to do. No, no, no,

747
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: So that could have been a little bit disconcerning what

748
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: I was doing.

749
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Again, I felt guided by some thing so incredibly strong,

750
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: so much stronger than any fear that I that I

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: may have had. Right, And so, how does that first

752
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: year of teaching go for you? It was, I mean

753
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: I was in I mean, I was hustling for three

754
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: four years. I'm still hustling, just in a like slightly

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: more concerted, you know, intentional way. But for a while,

756
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: it was just NonStop like whatever I can say yes to,

757
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: whoever will let me come to their office and talk

758
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: about meditation, whatever event will let me come and lead

759
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: a meditation.

760
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Speaker 2: It was just a lot of planting seeds.

761
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: And I did end up getting kind of pulled back

762
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: into the chow per Center as well during that first year,

763
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: and I which was a really amazing blessing, you know,

764
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: I left that left that job really clean and with

765
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: like nothing but love and gratitude.

766
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: And like, I wish everyone well and thank you for this.

767
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: And then really quickly they were like, well, but what

768
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: if you come back and just do and just help

769
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: us with the events and just come And so for

770
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: several year I worked with them and it would just

771
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: go down to San Diego or go to the events

772
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: and help on the back end of those, which was

773
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: an incredible experience and gave me a whole other skill

774
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: set around events and planning transformational experiences and events and

775
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: weekends and things like that.

776
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: So that was pretty incredible.

777
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: And then that ended up just with Chopra specifically transitioning

778
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: into me hosting and teaching at the event.

779
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: So it's really been quite a journey with that, right, And.

780
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: So when does I'm just like saying yes to absolutely everything,

781
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: Like when do you feel like you kind of get

782
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more of your footing?

783
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the after the first after the first

784
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: year and a half, maybe I stopped doing any side

785
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: work and just was teaching. So I was saying yes

786
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: a lot then as well, because I created a whole

787
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: lot more space. And then I would say after that

788
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: next year, so maybe like two and a half years,

789
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: three years, it was a little more Okay, I have

790
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: some like direction and I know where I'm trying to

791
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: take this. I also was, you know, how I think

792
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: about it is like I was really putting in reps

793
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: as a teacher and finding my voice as a teacher

794
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and becoming a great teacher because it, you know, even

795
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: if you have raw abilities to communicate or to you know,

796
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: inSpot whatever that might be, it's still practice, right learning

797
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: how to learning how to hold space for people, learning

798
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: how to hold space for a room, learning how to

799
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, read a room, and energetic. You know, there's

800
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into it. So I was I

801
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: always think about it as I was doing just all

802
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: the reps.

803
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: Sorry, you're established, you're teaching meditation, you're living in la

804
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: And can you say for sure at this point that you're,

805
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: like July happy about where the path has like where

806
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: you have me entered your way down the path?

807
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: So happy? Yeah, so so happy.

808
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: And when you're going back and forth between where you're

809
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: living and the Chope or Center, do you think again

810
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: about returning to do anything there full time?

811
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: No? You know, San Diego is gorgeous.

812
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I was in North County, so it was really it

813
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: was much slower pace and coming from New York to

814
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: LA is one thing. Going from LA to San Diego

815
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: or North County San Diego was was a very different thing.

816
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: And at that time I knew that I needed some

817
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: fire to drive me and to keep me going because

818
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: because I was having to create nobody, you know, nobody

819
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: was I didn't have a full time job, right, I

820
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: didn't have someone giving me days off. I didn't So

821
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: it was really up to me to continue to like

822
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: motivate myself to do this thing even when I was tired,

823
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: even when I you know, it's hard to be.

824
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: Like an entrepreneur.

825
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: I guess the failure would call it.

826
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: It's there's like a constant low grade hustle and weight

827
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: of that and the energy of LA and the ambition

828
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: that is there is something that I really could feed

829
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: off of and still do in a really positive way.

830
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: And where does the book deal come into the mix?

831
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that happened.

832
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: That happened, you know, several years later, at the end

833
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty eighteen, I guess twenty seventeen, maybe I

834
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: was emailed by a publisher and the publisher said, have

835
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: you ever thought about writing a book for millennials?

836
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: On meditation, and I thought, yeah, I thought about that

837
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: I could do that.

838
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: And so I sent them kind of a rough I

839
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: just sort of thought of a book. It's not people

840
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: always sayday, is this the book you've always had in you?

841
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: I like no, because someone asked me and I said sure,

842
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: and so I emailed them some notes and that ended

843
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: up not being a good fit with this one publisher,

844
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: but it got me thinking about what a book would be.

845
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: And during that process, my friend introduced me to his

846
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: book agent, who then started helping me navigate that conversation.

847
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: And when that didn't end up coming to fruition, she said,

848
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we finish your proposal and then,

849
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, we'll shop it.

850
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: Around and see what happens.

851
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: And so I wrote a book proposal and I figured

852
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: out how to do that, and we shopped it and

853
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: sold it and I wrote a book and that was scary.

854
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: The other leaps of faith weren't so scary.

855
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Writing a book didn't feel scary until I signed a

856
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: book deal and then I thought, I have to write

857
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: a book now, Like I'm not a writer. I mean,

858
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm a good writer, apparently because I wrote a book

859
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: and I think it's great. And I didn't have a

860
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: ghosttrainer or anything. But but it wasn't like I had

861
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: a process or you know, any idea how to do it.

862
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: How long did it take you?

863
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: And how long is the book I had?

864
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: It's fifty thousand words, Okay, so it's like it's like

865
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: a book book, like a real book.

866
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: Like two hundred something pages. I wrote it in six months.

867
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: And during this time, were you still teaching and doing all.

868
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Of the thing?

869
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

870
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Why would I like take time off and give myself

871
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: extra space to do this massive project that I signed

872
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: a contract for.

873
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was still teaching, okay.

874
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I meant to ask you, so, how long

875
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: after you had arrived at the chow per Center did

876
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: you notice that a lot of those physical symptoms started

877
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: to go away?

878
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: Oh, they started to really pacify within I would say,

879
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: within like a year. Yeah, And I kept having things

880
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: that I've been dealing with, and I actually just recently

881
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: found out something that I think is probably the core

882
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: reason for all of it, which is kind of exciting

883
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Speaker 1: that I'm rebalancing a little bit more exciting.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, it sounds like, wow, the

885
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: one issue it might be a little problematic.

886
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing that I can balance that was

887
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: probably causing all of the other like chronic things that

888
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I've dealt with. But yeah, I mean since I went there,

889
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: I've had such a different relationship with with my body,

890
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: which has been talk.

891
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Speaker 3: To me about what it feels like when your book

892
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: comes out.

893
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, I had to live while I was writing

894
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: the book. I could so clearly see myself having written

895
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: the book. That's why even when it got scary, it

896
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: never got debilitatingly scary, because I could so clearly see

897
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: the future moment where I was on stage talking about

898
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: the book, or where I was sharing the book or

899
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Speaker 1: write doing meditations from the book. So while I was

900
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: writing it, I was kind of constantly living in this

901
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: future place because that's what made it doable. Yeah, and

902
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: that's what allowed me to trust that I would figure

903
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: it out and like, you know, into it what I

904
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Speaker 1: needed along the way or hear what I needed along

905
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Speaker 1: the way. So when it finally came out, it was

906
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: a little not that it was underwhelming, but it was

907
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: like the timeline caught up with where my mind has

908
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: been for six months, if that makes sense, kind of

909
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: been training for a marathon, like you get to the marathon,

910
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I've been in this place in my head,

911
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: like every time I train and every time I so

912
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: the actual moment, the actual moment that it felt real

913
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Speaker 1: was I did a book launch at LA and it

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Speaker 1: was it was on a Friday night in West Hollywood,

915
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: and it was amazing and like one hundred people that

916
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: I just adore came and just threw so much love

917
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: at me. And that's what felt really, that's what felt

918
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: very real and very much like, oh, this is in

919
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: the world and you know people are receiving it. And

920
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: I did my first book sign, you know, like that

921
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: felt very surreal and cool.

922
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Speaker 3: So then talk to me what life looks like these days.

923
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Speaker 2: Life is, Life's nice.

924
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Speaker 1: I'm working on another book, so I'm entering that whole

925
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Speaker 1: project again.

926
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Speaker 2: I am teaching. I'm still teaching.

927
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping to travel a little bit more for speaking

928
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Speaker 1: events and for conferences. I'm still teaching with Deep October

929
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Speaker 1: and his events. It's not all that different. It's just

930
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: a little more. I have a little more space. So,

931
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Speaker 1: like the hustle and grind has definitely slowed down a bit.

932
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Speaker 3: And now I mean, I'm sure all the time you

933
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: get people messaging you saying things like I just feel

934
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Speaker 3: like I cannot everybody, it is not in my wheelhouse.

935
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Speaker 3: I am not meant to meditate. So if you had

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Speaker 3: to tell this person, which you've done so many times before,

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Speaker 3: like two or three things to help them make space

938
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Speaker 3: for meditation, what is it that you tell them?

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Speaker 1: Number One thing I hear is I can't meditate. I

940
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: have too many thoughts, to which I always say, everyone

941
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: has thoughts. As long as you have a pulse, as

942
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: long as you're a life, you're going to have thoughts.

943
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Meditation is not about silencing your mind, So don't.

944
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Speaker 2: Try to do that.

945
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: And once you get okay with the fact that there's

946
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Speaker 1: going to be activity, it's so much easier right to

947
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Speaker 1: sit in it. Number two, I would say nothing needs to.

948
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Speaker 2: Happen for it to work.

949
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, we have this idea that it needs to

950
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: feel like a certain something, or you need to have

951
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: the aha moment, or you need to, you know, see

952
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: the Buddha riding a unicorn whispering the meaning of life.

953
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Speaker 1: For it to be a good meditation, all you have

954
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Speaker 1: to do is do it for it to be a

955
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: good meditation. And then the other thing I would say

956
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Speaker 1: is look for the benefits of your meditation to show

957
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: up outside of your meditation, Right, So what does that

958
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: look like? So it looks like getting clear with why

959
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: you're doing it first, first, and foremost. So you know,

960
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: think of it like a mental workout, Like what's the

961
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: muscle that you're trying to build in your meditation? Is

962
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: it that you want to be more present? Is it

963
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: that you want to be more intentional? Is it that

964
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you want to feel more of a sense of like

965
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: trust and connection to intuition. Is it that you want

966
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: to feel less stressed? Is it that you want to

967
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: sleep better? You know what is it physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually?

968
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: What are you craving and notice in your life?

969
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: And it will show up.

970
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: It's the beauty of meditation. Notice when those things start

971
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: to shift. Because what tends to happen, and it's happened

972
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: with so many people that I've worked with. We all

973
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: start meditating for whatever reason, and then that reason starts

974
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: to pacify and it starts to get better, and then

975
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: we stop meditating because everything got better.

976
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: But that's like what everything everything? We starting We start.

977
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: Working out, We start cleaning every Sunday because it makes

978
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: us feel great on Monday, right, whatever it might be,

979
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: and that we stop doing the thing that made us

980
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: feel good because we feel good right. With antibiotics, Yeah,

981
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: we pay attention to like where the pain is exactly.

982
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: So I would say, be really conscious of why you're

983
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: meditating and really look for.

984
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Speaker 2: That to show up.

985
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: And then I mean, do you have any simple strategies

986
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Speaker 3: or tools that you suggest to individuals who are having

987
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: a hard time jumping on the bandwagon?

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00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: I would say to start scheduling it, like put it

989
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: in your schedule every morning, first thing that you do

990
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: when you wake up.

991
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: So that's the next question, went to do it?

992
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that and this has definitely been

993
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: my experience in the past, is that like first thing

994
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Speaker 3: in the morning is hard for me because I if

995
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 3: I do it, then I either need to get moving

996
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: or I need to go back to sleep. So for me,

997
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: what I did find was either if I came back

998
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 3: from the gym after I showered, then I could meditate,

999
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: or and this is a little bit wacky, sometimes I

1000
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: lean into it at like four o'clock in the afternoons

1001
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: every time.

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00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like earlier in the morning is usually better if

1003
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: you have a lot of things that you do, or

1004
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: if you then have to get up and go to work, right,

1005
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: because everything will see more important or more fun than

1006
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: sitting and doing nothing, which.

1007
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: Is what meditation feels like.

1008
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Until you start to like feel the benefits and see

1009
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: the benefits and like see the magic unfold in your life.

1010
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: Meditation feels like sitting and doing nothing, and everything feels

1011
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: more fun than that, everything feels more important than that.

1012
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: So if you have like a day, I like to

1013
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: meditate after I work out. Also, so my perfect morning

1014
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: is waking up, working out and then coming home and

1015
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: meditating and having tea. Like that's the ideal morning for me.

1016
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: But if you have a lot going on, the more

1017
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: the earlier you can do it so that it's not

1018
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: in that list of things.

1019
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: Right. Does that make sense? Yeah?

1020
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: Because I think that we all wake up and we

1021
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: feel like the day is the mountain.

1022
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or and or the other time I usually

1023
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: say is after the most productive part of your day,

1024
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: which for a lot of.

1025
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: People is between like four and seven.

1026
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: Interesting, okay, And what does your meditation practice look like now?

1027
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: So I teach mantra meditation more than anything else.

1028
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: That's the lineage that I was initiated into with the

1029
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: chop for center. Okay, So it involves silently repeating a mantra,

1030
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: which is a Sanskrit for mine vehicle. So it's this

1031
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: phrase that you silently repeat. A really good universal one.

1032
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: I give people mantras based on their birth information. But

1033
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: a really good universal one is so Hum. It's the

1034
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: one I use in the book so Hum, which is

1035
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: the sound of your breath and also distills down to

1036
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: the essence I am. And the reason that that's a

1037
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: really great universal one is because you can link it

1038
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: with your breath as you inhale, silently repeat So as

1039
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: you exhale, silently repeat hum.

1040
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: And then you give your mind two things to anchor to.

1041
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: You have that breath, which is always there, and your

1042
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: mind can anchor to that thought, which is what a

1043
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: mantra is. You're just repeating this one thought and this

1044
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: one thought. Because it's in Sanskrit, and because your native

1045
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: tongue is not Sanskrit, it doesn't mean.

1046
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: Anything to you.

1047
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: A lot of people, you know, whether it be on

1048
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: social media or when you sit down with them, they

1049
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: seem they look at someone who seems although you might

1050
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: not feel this way all the time, grounded and present

1051
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: and here to help. When you look in the mirror

1052
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: or what is it that you see looking back at you.

1053
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: Now, gosh, I feel and I see such a This

1054
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: took so much work. I did not wake up like this.

1055
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: For the record, for the very official record, I see

1056
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot of contentment. I see a lot of peace.

1057
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: I see a lot of trust. None of those things

1058
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: really are things that I would have ever said at

1059
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: one point in my life, and especially the lightness.

1060
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: And then you have an opportunity right now to offer

1061
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: yourself a piece of advice. When your father is told

1062
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: he has a year left to live, when you are

1063
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 3: going to therapy, and oh dear, working yourself like crazy

1064
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: in the music industry, you have an opportunity to offer

1065
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: yourself one piece of advice during that hurdle moment. What

1066
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: do you tell yourself to let everything go and to

1067
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 3: let love in, Let love in.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for sitting down.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

1072
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Speaker 3: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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Speaker 3: all have multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 3: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 3: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 3: at Hurdle Podcast Meg. Where they find you? How do

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00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: they keep up with you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, you can find me on Instagram. It's at Meg Monahan.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that I'm most active on. I do

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Speaker 1: have a website that has some information and infhone the book,

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Speaker 1: which is just my name Meganmanahan dot com.

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Speaker 2: And you can get my book on Amazon, at.

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Speaker 3: Bookstores wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 2: Wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 3: I am at Emily Abodi another hurdle conquered. Catch you

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Speaker 3: guys next time.