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Speaker 1: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 4: Big job the cooktopian Franker.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Kenny, I've never seen so much snow in my life.

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Speaker 4: Ah, you covered what the heck's going on over there

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Speaker 4: on the East Coast.

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Speaker 5: A lot of flights canceled. Mine was not one of

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Speaker 5: the last flights out. Great to be with all of you. Thankfully,

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Speaker 5: the power is on and because I'm soft, the heat

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Speaker 5: is on. It's Monday, Feb twenty three, twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 5: Episode four of the Antikid Florian Podcast, powered by All

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Speaker 5: the Smoke Fight. Thanks to everybody for being here on

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Speaker 5: a Monday live neone Eastern on the screws. You can

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Speaker 5: We thank you for subscribing. We also thank you for

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Speaker 5: subscribing to the Antaki Florian podcast YouTube channel, where these

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Speaker 5: episodes now reside as well. Oh my goodness, Ken Flow,

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Speaker 5: Where to begin? How was Utah? It was great?

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Speaker 4: Actually, we got hit with some snow and they haven't

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Speaker 4: been getting much snow at all over there, and they

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Speaker 4: got hit with a big storm. So I actually had

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Speaker 4: trouble getting in, got delayed or diverted over to Denver,

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Speaker 4: had to hang there for a while, got in late,

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Speaker 4: then got in late last night as well.

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Speaker 5: So I'm a little underslept. But we keep cranking on.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you experienced some similar things from time to time. Oh,

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Speaker 5: we'll get into the snow and all of that. We're

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Speaker 5: talking about you right now, though, we're talking about you.

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Speaker 5: So Jeremy, Jeremy Horn was alongside, is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man, the old ufcog Jeremy Horn hit ninety one one

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Speaker 4: wins or something crazy is like over one hundred fights.

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Speaker 4: But uh, great to see him, and got a chance

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Speaker 4: to teach at his gym, had a great turnout for

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Speaker 4: He's a fantastic shooter as well, awesome guy. So it

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Speaker 4: was a good time in Boston.

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Speaker 5: They call him Jeremy Han, right Han, So yeah, I

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Speaker 5: can't flow elite shooter. Now you're an elite driver. As

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Speaker 5: far as automobiles are concerned. You should see this guy

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Speaker 5: drive a fucking stick shift, but a little little auto issue.

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Speaker 5: In Utah, I had a little trouble. So I was

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Speaker 5: staying at this beautiful home.

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Speaker 4: David already shout out to him staying at his place

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Speaker 4: up in the mountains, and you know, not a a

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Speaker 4: whole lot there, and yeah, they you know, plowed a

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Speaker 5: And it was a little embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I used to know how to drive in

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Speaker 4: the snow, but apparently not. I underestimated how slippery it is.

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Speaker 5: It is crazy. Yeah, you got to go fully out there, folks.

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Speaker 5: I had driven in the snow in a long time.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking out the window. This is not hyperbolic. We

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Speaker 5: But we're here, we're live, we have a ton to

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Speaker 5: of those things. So I was. I land in Houston,

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Speaker 5: you're a man, you know. I actually stayed at a Weston. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Terrible experience. And although the chicken sandwich, the buttermilk fried

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Speaker 5: it's John Jones. Wow. Well, if you're an NBA fan,

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Speaker 5: you been, Johnny Bones? But he saw the John Jones

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Speaker 5: We'll be joined by a couple of winners from UFC

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Speaker 5: I thought it was a masterful performance. So I have

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Speaker 5: Thirty pro wins now Kenny seventeen of those in the UFC,

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Speaker 5: And we saw that one hundred thousand dollars performance bonus

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Speaker 5: You know, and when Sean Strickland became the champion Kenny.

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Speaker 5: So I love Anthony Fluffy Hernandez as human being and

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Speaker 5: Period. Yeah. No, and at tuptails with what he said

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the good thing for him,

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Speaker 4: He'll have to make adjustments and it's gonna be on

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Speaker 5: Back to Strickland in a few seconds. But you know,

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Speaker 5: it was not a foregone conclusion that he would have

436
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 5: passed Sordini Mavov and fought for the championship. And if

437
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 5: you don't want to listen to anything that Sean Strickland says,

438
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 5: please at least listen to what he says about the

439
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 5: champions strength of schedule, or excuse me, the champions inactivity

440
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 5: and lack of a schedule. I guess right, because anyone

441
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 5: who's listened to this show knows that I've called Kamsat

442
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 5: CHIMAIV the most electrifying force in the game. I've called

443
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 5: him my favorite fighter. Right, But when you're in the

444
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 5: duples c era as a midlewaight contender, you know the

445
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 5: champ's putting the belt on the line every three months.

446
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 5: So we have a little bit of a Chimaya problem.

447
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 5: And I think of all the things Strickland says, Kenny,

448
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 5: it's good that he at least acknowledges to the public, like,

449
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 5: we got a champion right now. I don't know if

450
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 5: he's healthy or not, but he was at the Santo

451
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 5: Studio presumably training recently. You know, he did an interview

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 5: with Bisping and Bear and those guys, Like, I really

453
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 5: hope we get to see the Middleway champion compete at

454
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 5: some point in time and compete one hundred and eighty

455
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 5: five pounds me too, man.

456
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: Chimayav is something else, man, He is unbelievable, one of

457
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 4: the best grapplers that I've ever seen seen compete in

458
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 4: the UFC. I do think he's an electra electrifying force,

459
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 4: has a huge fan base, and I think Strickland is

460
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: kind of smart to call that out for a couple

461
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: of reasons. You know, I think he wants to piss

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: off Tom's out Chimayev and also, you know, bring the

463
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 4: fans over to his side a little bit and say, hey,

464
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 4: you know, I'm a guy that has stayed active for

465
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 4: the most part. You have a champion right now that

466
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 4: is uh, you know, maybe playing a little bit safe.

467
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 4: And I think he wants to put some doubt into

468
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: Chimayav a little bit. So I like how he's trying

469
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: to build a case for him getting the next shot.

470
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: We'll see what happens. I think in an optimistic world,

471
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 5: you would say the latest you see Chimayav would have

472
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 5: to be International Fight Week in July or whenever International

473
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 5: Fight Week is, because he won the belt in August

474
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 5: in Chicago, so you could already argue there's a case

475
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 5: for an interim middleway championship. I don't know if he

476
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: is going up to two hundred and five pounds or not.

477
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 5: I'm sort of inclined to think that she might Have's

478
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 5: next fight is going to be at eighty five, and

479
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised to see it be Sean Strickland.

480
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: And you don't want to censor Strickland, right Certainly, it

481
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 5: seemed as though they cut his microphone, you know, and

482
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 5: I think he probably handled that well, right, Like, certainly

483
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: Dana White doesn't want to have to censor Sean. But

484
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 5: maybe you could pull him aside, right and just say, hey, man, like,

485
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 5: we want to build this fight with you, and she

486
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 5: mayev So I don't know if there's a way to

487
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 5: sort of, you know, poke at some things that deserve

488
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 5: to be poked at. But maybe not, you know, cross

489
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 5: that line every step of the way when you get

490
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 5: a microphone, you know.

491
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it's kind of like the kids

492
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: poking at maybe some of the zoo animals a little bit.

493
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: With the media, right, you know, you have this crazy

494
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: guy that's going to sound off, and you know he

495
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: also gets questions asked knowing that he's going to say

496
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Speaker 4: something crazy. Right, it's like I want that sound bite,

497
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: so you know, let me just poke at Strickland a

498
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: little bit, see what he says, so I can, you know,

499
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 4: write the article and everyone kind of so, I don't know,

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 4: it's interesting, but yeah, with that thing with you, Strickland

501
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: can be smarter about what he says, especially if it's

502
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: something unrelated.

503
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 5: To let's say, his next fight.

504
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 8: You know.

505
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 5: Anyways, I don't even mind if he wants to talk

506
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: about politics and Shimayev's relationships with people. But I do

507
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: think that there are things that I don't even want

508
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 5: to say because we have a lot of young men

509
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 5: and women who listen to this podcast, like goat Effort, right,

510
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 5: and that seemed to be the final straw for the UFCA.

511
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, you know, like how many fighters

512
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 5: on the roster would refer to another fighter as such

513
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 5: very few, and Sean Strickland seems to be of an

514
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: appetite to want to procreate right now, so maybe he

515
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 5: will tame that part of it, right because I do

516
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of merit to certain things he says.

517
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 5: But I'd hate to see him penalize when it comes

518
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: to a title shot because of some of the things

519
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: that come out of his mouth. And he is an

520
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 5: American and it seems like there are going to be

521
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 5: a lot of Americans featured at the White House. But

522
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna get that fight at the

523
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 5: White House. I can almost guarantee you that that's not

524
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: gonna be the case. I mean, you have just Strickland

525
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 5: you just don't need, you know, just don't need. You

526
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: might have Strickland noise at the White House? Can flot

527
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 5: you know? I mean I do, but yeah, it would

528
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: be yeah crazy. So who did you pick to win

529
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 5: the comain event? Jeff Neil and Udo Schmititch. Not to

530
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 5: put you on the spot, I believe I chose Jeff Neil. Okay,

531
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 5: so I don't I've never led our conversation or recap

532
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 5: of a fight that way before very few times. I

533
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: was just curious because a lot of people had a

534
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 5: lot of strong opinion A lot of people had a

535
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 5: lot of strong opinions going into that fight as to, uh,

536
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 5: what both parties could do right. We were sort of joking,

537
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 5: like Jeff Neil, man, hey man, you John to preserve

538
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 5: that number twelve rank you got, you gotta be able

539
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 5: to beat these guys as a two to one favorite.

540
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: And I was reading Ben Duffy on shirtdog dot com

541
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: and I brought this up during the fight. A guy

542
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 5: like Metic, you know, he knows acutely what his weapons

543
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 5: are and how to get them off on his opponents,

544
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 5: And my god, it has been near fatal for a

545
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: lot of these recent opponents and now a guy on

546
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 5: this level. So what did you make of Udosh the

547
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: Doctor Medich getting it done by knockout at the one

548
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: nineteen mock around one. There's not a whole lot to

549
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 5: talk about.

550
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, I think Udo's Metics just went right

551
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: to work and went in front of Jeff Neil basically

552
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: challenged him, said hey, let's throw down. And Jeff Neil

553
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: found out what it's like to try to throw down

554
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: with someone like Menich, and you know, he kind of

555
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: threw the same combination over and over, eventually landed a

556
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: left hand from hell that knocked Jeff Neil out cold.

557
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: Just nasty stuff. He was there to destroy, he was

558
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: there to make a statement. He was there to make

559
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 4: a name off of Jeff Neil. Right, anytime you have

560
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: a ranking and another guy coming up, that's what they're

561
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 4: looking for. They're trying to make an example out of you.

562
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: So there is some pressure on Jeff Neil's side and

563
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: he didn't pass the test. Earl's Metich did and boy

564
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: was it nasty and violent.

565
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 5: Jeff Neil had a significant amount of time off after

566
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: the Carlos protest knockout, but this is back to back

567
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 5: like this, and pretty tough visual for Jeff Neil. Udo

568
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 5: schmititch Man. He maximized everything the mic time afterwards. He's

569
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: a very smart guy. I don't think the nickname has

570
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 5: anything to do with his brain necessarily. I can actually

571
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 5: get you that answer probably on his fighter card here.

572
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: But he just really understands what's going on. And he

573
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 5: mentioned Serbia. Now he's gonna be able to travel back

574
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 5: there courtesy of President Trump, who he was able to

575
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: get in touch with after the fact. So he has

576
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 5: this sort of mentality right that is, I guess in

577
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: some part of promoter's dream, like I'm gonna win, I'm

578
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 5: gonna lose oftentime, it's gonna be by first round knockout.

579
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: He comes in with the shortest average fight time among

580
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 5: active welterweights. You know, what do you think about medich

581
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: as a potential knockout artist and promoter's dream in this

582
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 5: welterweight division now moving forward?

583
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, man, I've been sleeping on him.

584
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: I've been sleeping on him, and I think he's finally

585
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: coming into his own. I think he realizes where his

586
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: strengths lie. I think he's willing to kind of take

587
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: the risk of maybe getting knocked out himself and leaning

588
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: more on his physicality and his power and his speed.

589
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: And it's working out well for him right now. So

590
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: I think he's going to continue to be exciting. I

591
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: think he'll continue to surprise some people in that very

592
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: difficult one hundred and seventy pound division. But I'm not

593
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: sleeping sleeping on him anymore, and I don't think anyone

594
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: in that division should either.

595
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: There were rumblings of a UFC show potentially in Serbia,

596
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 5: and I know he is of an insatiable appetite to

597
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 5: headline that show. So if that happens, that would be

598
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: a career moment, you know, not unlike Azerbaijan was for

599
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: physib and other fighters. So we'll see if that can

600
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: all materialize for Udo Schmititz fighting out of Anchorage, Alaska

601
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: by way of Nova said Serbia, I hope I pronounced

602
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: his city right. Longest pro fight for Udo Schmitic can

603
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: flow twelve minutes and thirty six seconds, and going into

604
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 5: that fight against Matthew Semmelsberger, he wanted with a spinning

605
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: back elbow, by the way, but he said to us

606
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: he can take a punch. This might be my first

607
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: distance fight. It went twelve minutes and thirty six seconds.

608
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 5: So we'll see what they do with Udo Schmititch. Speaking

609
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 5: of knockout artists in the welsweight division, Carlos Protest has

610
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: hinted at a big fight and it seems like maybe

611
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor has suggested that his return is against a

612
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: quote unquote no name opponents. Now, Carlos Protest is one

613
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: of the top ten most popular fighters in the UFC

614
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: right now, so a no name opponent, he is not,

615
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 5: but maybe to some of the more casual mixed martial

616
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 5: arts observers Nate d As, he is not. So let

617
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 5: me table McGregor v protests for a second if I could.

618
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 5: It seems as though we have the senior member of

619
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: the Anakin Floran podcast. Let's get to the Ray Longo.

620
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 6: It's now times a Ray Long Minute.

621
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna push a hole in this.

622
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: That's what i want, The.

623
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Ray Long Minute, The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

624
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: What the hell's going on?

625
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 5: Look alive out there? I mean, have you been on

626
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: a bus in Alaska eating poisonous plants?

627
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: Ray?

628
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: Are you going to the gym today?

629
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: Oh? Definitely not. I couldn't even I can't find my car.

630
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 5: What the fuck is going out up here? Man?

631
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, man, if there was ever a winter

632
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: had not come up here and move here, darn, this

633
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: was the one. This is. You know a lot of

634
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: people are hanging on by your thread and then this

635
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: happens and I'm like, God, these people are gone. This sucks, man.

636
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm just losing everybody. We got hammed. How big is

637
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: it in Connecticut?

638
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 5: We got fucking hammered hammet hamm it. This is wild.

639
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: Certainly in some pockets, it's very hilly here. I'm right

640
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: on the border near Portchester, New York. In some places

641
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 5: we got almost two feet. The side of of my

642
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: house was up to my knees. I've never seen snow

643
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: like this, and I grew up in Massachusetts and lived

644
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: there for thirty plus years. This is this is nuts.

645
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: There's nowhere to put it.

646
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. We need. We need warm weather

647
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: as quick as possible.

648
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 5: Guys gotta come down south.

649
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this was bid. So I'm not going

650
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: anywhere today. So you got me.

651
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: Well, well, it was very excited about that reality. So

652
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: we're supposed to get a couple more feet later this week.

653
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: So we'll see how that impacts.

654
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Geez, that happens with badluck.

655
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: Well, when we get off the phone, you can check

656
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: your weather application. My daughter told me, now what those

657
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: those symbols mean actually on the weather and one of

658
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 5: them that I thought meant flurries means heavy snow. So yeah,

659
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: later in the week, so all systems go. People who

660
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: live here by choice, present company included, like you don't

661
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: have to alright, a lot to get to with the program, Ray,

662
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: Peter Longo, Sean Strickland, man, woo, what else can you say?

663
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he's a UFC Hall of Famer,

664
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: but I don't want to talk about that. I'm just saying,

665
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: adding this win to his body of work is a

666
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: huge feather in his cap. Would you make a shot?

667
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh? Suan was man? Was he on point? Man? They

668
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: just the the beauty is in the simplicity. No, with

669
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: the jig, just popping that jib all day long, disrupting

670
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: the guy's rhythm. And then you know the thing with

671
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: Strickland too, great killer instinct. You know he knows. You know.

672
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: It's funny how Kenny Heat can go from just jibbing

673
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: you to death and then he just turns it up

674
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: as soon as he realized he's got in trouble. And

675
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: that's a fighter man. You know, he could take it.

676
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: He could dish it out. Uh great takedown defense. That

677
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: that was a masterclass. And uh, you know, And when

678
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: I use the words simplicity, I'm not using it the

679
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: way it's simple to do. I'm just saying it's direct,

680
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: simple but right, simple but not easy. Yeah, I believe.

681
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: But Sean knows Sean. He knows, he knows how to

682
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: stay within himself and do exactly what he does good

683
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: most of the time in the fights. And that's really

684
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: If you can't disrupt his rhythm and make it a

685
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: dirty fight, you got you got major problems.

686
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 5: Were you surprised by that? Is that the way you

687
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 5: saw it going down?

688
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: Because in my mind, I thought it was going to

689
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: be a really tough, stylistic matchup. I, oh, you know,

690
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 4: he's the problem.

691
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: So I at the end of the thing, you guys

692
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: were saying, who's winning, I just went with Fluffy. I mean,

693
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: he was a big favorite, but yeah, I thought he was.

694
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: I thought Fluffy was gonna make it really dirty, get

695
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: inside and just grind on him, kind of like like Drickis.

696
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: Does you know Drickis doesn't look good. But the problem is,

697
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: I think Dricks is a six foot two bull, you

698
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So he could take it. I

699
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: guess you know, Hernandez can't take it the same way

700
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: Dricks could take it. But I I thought Fluffy would

701
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: make it very dirty, get on the inside and again

702
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: wear on him and then maybe you know, be able

703
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: to get to take that. In the fourth or fifth

704
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: round and do something but not even not even close.

705
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: I made it. Sean actually made it look easy, you know.

706
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: And uh, hats off to him, Hats off to his

707
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: performance and his in his post fight prest Yeah, I

708
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: don't think I could get enough of a guy. At

709
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: this point they turned his mic off.

710
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: Im I was totally captivated by hes putting like everybody else.

711
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm totally But he.

712
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: Said he wasn't fighting Hernandez, he was fighting Jim West.

713
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, he comes for Yeah.

714
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: He's fucking funny man.

715
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 5: I mean, hey, if you look up Sean Strickland John Annex.

716
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 5: Certainly we've had a dust up in the past, But

717
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 5: I can't get enough of the guy. Can't. It's not

718
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: aligned in every utterance, right, Like, certainly there are things

719
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: that I'd like him to leave. I'm sitting there watching

720
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: his media day and I'm like, I mean, popcorns, is

721
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 5: this is fucking sorry? Not sorry or whatever? The anyway

722
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: we got.

723
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 9: To like that.

724
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: I think I think the best John is that Dana

725
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: And blame the press for even asking him the question, Like,

726
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: what questions are you going to ask him? You don't

727
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: think he's going to segue into any of that stuff.

728
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: He's like, you you forced it out of him. Of course,

729
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: ask him about Big Bunny or whatever the guy's name.

730
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 5: Well, what do you think I was going to ask

731
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 5: him on the way and stage at the ceremony away

732
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: and oftentimes for the challenger, not that I'm trying to

733
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: give them a layup, but they're not looking to be

734
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 5: verbose in that instant. So and Fluffy, not the Challenger,

735
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 5: but the blue corner. I say, you know, what are

736
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 5: your thoughts on the eve of the biggest fight of

737
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 5: your career, which it was for Fluffy? And then I

738
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: go over to Sean and I'm just in the mall.

739
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 5: I don't even know what I'm gonna say. I just

740
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: know that I'm probably gonna give him the baton, and

741
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: he took it and he gave it back in short order.

742
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: So there's nothing to be worried about, a right, So

743
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: we have so much to talk about we almost need

744
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: like a pardon the interruption clock on the side. So

745
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: I want to see Hamzatschimayav and Sean Strickland and I

746
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: want them to lock the gate behind them. Ray, That's

747
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 5: what I'm.

748
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: I love it. I love that fight, especially five rounds

749
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: has to favor Strickland. I mean, he's got it all

750
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: comes down to Kenny. You know, can he stop to

751
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: take down and can he get back up if he

752
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: gets taken down? I mean that's kind of it. But

753
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: I think you know they have trained together, right, so

754
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: they they know exactly what the deal is.

755
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 5: Do you think it helped?

756
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: Do you think it helps that he face someone like

757
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: Hernandez and can maybe kind of utilize a similar game plan.

758
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: Do you think that helps him at all?

759
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 9: Or no?

760
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: I think Shewan, I think he's dialed in on everything,

761
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: and I think it was you know, it was good

762
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: that he got back in there. He was at a

763
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: decent layoff. But I don't think that was a similar

764
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: style to uh Jamie. I mean it's similar, but Tomi,

765
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: if I think is at another level intensity when he's

766
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: coming forward. You know, Hernandez was he was hesitant. He

767
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: couldn't get past that Jeb and uh, you know, he

768
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: was trying, but it wasn't uh you know, it was

769
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: just wasn't good enough. No, I think yeah, I mean, yeah,

770
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: I guess it helps. You know, he has activity against

771
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: the guy that wanted to take him down. But I

772
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: don't think I don't see any Uh, the intensity is

773
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: just way off.

774
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 5: So Ray and Kenny. I don't mean to suggest that

775
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 5: the most sculpted middleweight RoboCop on the roster would have

776
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: been able to take this knee, But Michael Bisping did

777
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 5: bring up the fact that there isn't a ton of

778
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: maybe muscle in that mid second of Anthony Fluffy Hernandez.

779
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 5: And maybe it's neither here nor there that his nickname

780
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: Fluffy is because he had extra body fat as a kid, right,

781
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 5: But sometimes I look at him and think that he

782
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 5: could be a monster at one hundred and seventy pounds,

783
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 5: and not to suggest that his is a welterweight frame.

784
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's done the intensive testing at

785
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 5: the USCPI, But what are your thoughts on maybe a

786
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 5: fighter who does some more old school AB training might

787
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: be better equipped to maybe have taken that shot?

788
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: You rescue me, Well, you're looking at me.

789
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 5: Like I'm crazy. Now, I have a four pack, not

790
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: a six pack. Incidentally, but Michael Bisping was the one

791
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 5: who brought this up, So I don't want to I'm

792
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: not a fighter, I'm not an analyst. I'm just saying that.

793
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 5: You know, I've I've covered boxing. I've seen a ton

794
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: of guys work on that core and work on the

795
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: ability to take a shot to thatyar, and I'm just

796
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: bringing it up.

797
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, Look, you know, Fluffy, if I'm not mistaken,

798
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: he looked a little soft around the midsex. You know,

799
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: some guys could take it, some guys can't. Some guys

800
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: you could hit him in the head with a brick,

801
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: you tap him in the body and they're rolling around.

802
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: So everybody's different. But Hernandez didn't look like he was,

803
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: you know, like he had a six pack. He looked

804
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: a little like he could.

805
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 5: Eat, but he never does.

806
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, but he will.

807
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 5: Now, see My thing is is like in his next fight,

808
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 5: he will like next fight, he'll come out working, like,

809
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 5: oh my god, look at this fucking guy. So if

810
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter, then maybe he'll come back just as

811
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: fluffy for the next one. You know, if I was

812
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: not a play by play man, I was just an

813
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 5: MMA columnist, I'd be like, you know, I could write

814
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: a column that would be sensationalized and be like Fluffy

815
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: too Fluffy for eighty five, And you create this narrative

816
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: and you get people talking, you know what I mean, Like,

817
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: that's how sports fans do it. I'm not trying to

818
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 5: do all that. I'm just saying, like, when you lose

819
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 5: like this fairly spectacularly, you assess everything. And I think

820
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: he's gonna have something closer to six pack the next

821
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: time we see him at eighty five or seventy, probably

822
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 5: eighty five.

823
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think he had. That's what led to

824
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: the downfall. But it wasn't going his way before that either,

825
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: so he's got a lot of things to work on.

826
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, Kenny, it's funny you watch the

827
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: tie boxes. They just need a ship out of each other.

828
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: Nobody even looks like they're bating and eye so.

829
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 6: Uh.

830
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: But the first thing that comes to my mind, which

831
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: I doubt because I've seen guys like again that could

832
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: take a punch, but they would drinkers and they get

833
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: tapped to the body and it's it's bad.

834
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 7: Man.

835
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if that live is soaked in alcohol

836
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, but I don't know if that

837
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: had something to do with it. But you know, he's

838
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: a week is a week. I'm just saying there's something

839
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I mean, look, you get hit

840
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: the right, you get hit the right anyway, anybody's going down.

841
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: But I can't see that being Uh, we've seen guys

842
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 2: take more knees than that and not not be affected

843
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: by it. You know. It's like the calfkick. Some guys

844
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: get kicked twice and they're immobile, and now guys are

845
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: starting to walk through the calf kick, Kenny, like it's nothing,

846
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: you know.

847
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: And it's hard to quantify the accuracy and precision and

848
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: power of apt Yeah, because you see certain guys, like

849
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: you know, get hit in the body and be like

850
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: it looks like he didn't even get hit and he

851
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: is folded over looking at his own asshole, and you know,

852
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 4: it just like it depends, It really depends on and

853
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: guys with six packs, guys without six packs.

854
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 5: It's really it's really hard to Kenny in terms of

855
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 5: either core training or any of that stuff. Obviously, your

856
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: strength and conditioning was insane. I know what you did,

857
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 5: but I'm just thinking in terms of like the core

858
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: and the ABS or any old school methodology, any of

859
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: that stuff.

860
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely early on, even before I went to Thailand,

861
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: and we definitely did a lot of it in Thailand,

862
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: but we would do abs, you'd be doing sit ups

863
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: and someone would take a tiepad and hit you in

864
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 4: the stomach as you were going. And what it trained

865
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 4: was not necessarily that like, oh, you're gonna have stronger

866
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: abs now. It taught you to tense up and flex

867
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: at the right time before the impact of the show.

868
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: So what it's really training is your mind to tense

869
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: up and flex to protect your belly. If you are

870
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: breathing in and you eat a shot, even if it's

871
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: just a little tap, watch out, you're gonna get folded over.

872
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: So it's more the timing of So it's kind of

873
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: training your mind your body to flex up at the

874
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: right time to protect your inside.

875
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I I used to stand on I used

876
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: to stand on guys. I used to stand on guy's

877
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: stomachs when they were doing crunches. You know. I think

878
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: what Kenny's bringing up is a good point too, is

879
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: that I don't care what you're doing as long as

880
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: you're doing something, you're making that mental connection that I

881
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: got strong abs. And I will say this, Kenny goes

882
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: to your point. I mean Strickland, he was throwing a jam,

883
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: no kicks, no nothing, so that knee was a surprise. Yeah,

884
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: that's the and that's the one that gets you, you

885
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And that I think it's more

886
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: that that man. You're you're playing around, you're running, and

887
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden that comes out of no way.

888
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: This guy's never need you up until this point in

889
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: the fight, and he just placed a perfect me at

890
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: the right time, and uh, he got the reaction that

891
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: he needed. But again, if if Strickland doesn't have a

892
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: sense of killer instinct, that moment could have been fleeing. Ye,

893
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: I could have went right by, he says it. And

894
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: he did what a fighter does. He jumped all over it,

895
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: kept his range and he bombarughded. The guy gave him

896
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: no choice but to you know, fold up like that.

897
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that was Strickland because he could have

898
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: he could have backed out and you know, maybe not

899
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: realized it. And then another ten seconds the guy's fully recovered.

900
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 5: And that was after eating a ton of teeps.

901
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: You know, we we know how tough Fernandez is, we've

902
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: seen him, we've seen him before and continue to press forward.

903
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 4: But a good body shot, you know, you talk about

904
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: fatigue makes cowards of men.

905
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: A good body shot makes cowards of men.

906
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: It takes the fight right out of you and from

907
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: then you know, from there it was all Strickland taken

908
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: advantage of that with the finish cool Ray.

909
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 5: I feel like the best point that's been made over

910
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 5: these forty five minutes is about Strickland's killer instinct down

911
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 5: the stretch, and I do think it points to his

912
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 5: evolution as a fighter and Ray right, because I don't

913
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: know that Sean Strickland a couple of years ago, without

914
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 5: this learned championship experience, would have really forced the issue

915
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 5: and pedaled the gas there the way he did.

916
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah no, like again and to be able to go

917
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: from let's say a two to a ten or whatever

918
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: that Jeb was producing. But he was just relaxed behind

919
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: that Jeb. Every so often he'd put that crossing behind it.

920
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: But he's very calculated. Man. What he does he does

921
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: better than anybody, and that's why he's having success. And

922
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: he's got the right mindset. The guy is a fighter.

923
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the way he gives it up

924
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: to Hernandez after you know he's you know, he's gonna

925
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: put on a show. He's going to get eyeballs to

926
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: watch the fight. But at the end of the day,

927
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: I think he does really respect anybody that steps in

928
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: that out togon and that's that's what I really like

929
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: about him.

930
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 5: How about Melchaz Eyel Costa and we'll live in the

931
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: martial arts. But if you don't know the background, Baru

932
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 5: Salpaalo Brazil and Pa da Videligo as the skin condition.

933
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 5: He used to hang out away from everybody in isolation

934
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: with the animals. He was so embarrassed about his condition.

935
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 5: Now he's on top of the damn MMA world. His

936
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 5: nicknames the Dalmatian And even when you think about the

937
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 5: confidence as human being now compared to his UFC debut

938
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 5: three years ago, it feels like he's aged fifteen years

939
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 5: in three years in terms of his confidence. Right, can

940
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: you turn your fucking phone off?

941
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: Please? I mean you could freaking hear I could barely

942
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: hear that.

943
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: Well, you got those big hands around. It's so funny

944
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: that he says he can barely hear that because we

945
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 5: sat on a plane together and I got yelled at

946
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 5: by a flight attendant or for having alleged audio coming

947
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 5: out from my iPad, which it wasn't there was. It

948
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: was on Ray's side.

949
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: He was.

950
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: And it's like, no, it's you, the woman.

951
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 4: In front of us, and then around and looked at

952
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: us like.

953
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: The worst first classttic and I've ever seen.

954
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: That's amazing. They don't they definitely they don't want me

955
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: in first cliss that's for damn sure.

956
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: Yes that is yes, you are a flight risk.

957
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 4: I think for sure, dude, that that spinning back kick

958
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: nasty Dan Ega is a pretty damn tough Yeah okay,

959
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: and again had never been stopped. But when he ate

960
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: that shot, you literally saw him in tremendous pain, like

961
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: there was no fake in that.

962
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: It went right to the orbital.

963
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: I hope he doesn't have any you know, damage there

964
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: as far as breaks or anything or fractures in that area.

965
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 5: Uh, because that could be bad. But man, what a well.

966
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: Time shot and uh that was it amazing And again

967
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: talk about killer instinct. Uh followed up, got the finish,

968
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: but uh melk cost him.

969
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: Man, what a beast and again came out of nowhere.

970
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: So the ellment of surprise again, I mean, yeah, I

971
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: think you keyed it on something. Ega is a tough

972
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: motherfucked the man, and you could see that instant reaction

973
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: of what the fuck just happened, you know what I mean,

974
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: like you had a feel for the guy. Uh, And

975
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: there's no that was a good stoppage. That would have

976
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: been stupid to let that go on. But uh wow,

977
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I came out, I came out of nowhere. That that's

978
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: just one of those things. Like somebody was saying, you

979
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 2: think he was aiming for the face, Who the hell knows,

980
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: But the guy was shorter than him. He threw threw

981
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: that and maybe ducked into it. Wherever that thing was landing,

982
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: it was going to cause damage, but not like that,

983
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: not like where he.

984
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 5: Got hit, Kenny. A lot of jobs on this earth

985
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 5: requires to be very precise in a millisecond of time right.

986
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: You can speak to it as a practical shooter and

987
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: tactical shooter that you are right. A referee in mm

988
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 5: A has sort of one split second to be right

989
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 5: or wrong too early, too late, And certainly referees are

990
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: going to be far more praise than the public eye

991
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: for letting a fight go a little bit too long

992
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 5: than if they stop a fight a little bit early.

993
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 5: But Danny Gay had never been finished. He had been

994
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: a beacon of durability, and he immediately intelligently defended. So

995
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 5: I understand ray and agree with you largely that another

996
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 5: shot on that jaw would have been really counterproductive and

997
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 5: probably could have, you know, broken his jaw. And then

998
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: you know he's not laying down with his kid, you know,

999
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: taking care of his daughter who is now sick, you know,

1000
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: forty eight hours later. But I would say, on one

1001
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 5: side of my mouth, I feel for these referees because

1002
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 5: you know, your whole reputation, you know, lies in the

1003
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: balance of an instant. But I also feel like, you

1004
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 5: gotta know, Danny Gain's one of the most durable guys

1005
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: on the athlete. He immediately defended. Just give him a beat,

1006
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 5: Just give him one beat, one chance to try to

1007
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: work his way back up or into the fight.

1008
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wasn't. He wasn't near working his way.

1009
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: He was just covering up like that's not intelligible defense.

1010
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: That's the problem after a shot like that. John, Look,

1011
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll even agree with you. I mean I don't,

1012
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 2: I'll go either way, it doesn't matter. But it wasn't

1013
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: like he was working his way back up or he

1014
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: was right. I don't know what he was, just he

1015
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 2: was he was in a state of shock. I think

1016
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: for a split second, and yeah, I think you have

1017
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: to protect a guy like that from his own good

1018
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: because we know Ega is tough enough to, like you said,

1019
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: you want him to take a couple of unnecessary shots

1020
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: and then you know, listen, you got caught. You know,

1021
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: if that's all it is, just go back and get

1022
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: back to the drawing board and get back in there.

1023
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: I'd rather see that than have some long listing problem

1024
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: because you were so tough for your own good and

1025
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: you still lost the fight that then you know, what's

1026
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 2: what's the difference.

1027
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I think the big difference I agree

1028
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: with you, Ray, I think the big difference is, you know,

1029
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: curling up in the fetal position blocking just kind.

1030
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 5: Of like in pain.

1031
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, trying to survive is different than say, you know,

1032
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: trying to control the head going on to the offense.

1033
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 4: Try that would have been feat that would have been

1034
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: very different. But him not trying to move and just

1035
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: trying to survive and covering up to me indicated he

1036
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 4: was in big, big trouble.

1037
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 5: And I have no problem with that stoppage.

1038
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: And watching watching the pain on his face going back,

1039
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: he was in pain. Yeah, I mean, even even if

1040
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: you're a good ref I think that would have that

1041
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: would be enough to wish split second wise you'd go,

1042
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: I gotta help this guy, you know what I mean.

1043
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: That's that's the way it looked to me. It's almost

1044
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: like when you have a submission on and a guy's screams,

1045
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1046
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 5: Like it's yeah, that's fair, no, and Cody, Kenny, I'll

1047
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 5: let you get back in here. You know, Cody wrote

1048
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: that he you know, he loves late stoppages. It sounds like,

1049
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 5: but really it was like a nasty shot and he's

1050
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 5: sort of like up close, I guess yes, like you

1051
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: sort of now as I think back to the moment, like,

1052
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 5: thank goodness, Kenny, go ahead.

1053
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: Well he get well to your point, John, you know,

1054
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: I did get up after the fight was stopped. He was,

1055
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: you know, wanted to continue to fight because he's an

1056
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 4: absolute warrior. But you know, and when you're hurting like that,

1057
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, time makes no sense. You know, time does

1058
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: not make much sense. Do you think, hey, that was

1059
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: just one second of time. It's like you got hit

1060
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: in the head. That could have been three, four or

1061
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: five seconds yea of you being in pain and you

1062
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: weren't really aware of it. So it's it's a tough

1063
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: one and he gay is one of the good guys

1064
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: in the sport. Mans to see him, yeah, get finished

1065
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: like that for the first time, and I'm sure that

1066
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: is a big shot, you know, shock to the ego

1067
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, and I know how hard he works,

1068
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: so it's unfortunate there.

1069
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 5: But man, this sport is just crazy.

1070
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: So and Kenny's right, it's a big shot to his

1071
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: to the ega, I mean the ego, but I say

1072
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: it goes to show Yeah, it goes to show you.

1073
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: It goes to show you how tough Gates she is.

1074
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: Because remember he took that kicks from hollow Halloway in

1075
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: the first was the first round, dude, Yeah he went

1076
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: through that like again, God bless him because he did.

1077
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: Did he looked in his list fight. But he took

1078
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: a big shot too with that kick. You gotta be

1079
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: care I've seen it in the gym, believe it or not,

1080
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: where a guy went for a takedown and he ran

1081
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: into was a spinning back kick and it was not good.

1082
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can sometimes have a recency bias, right,

1083
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 5: But there were a lot of people who really didn't

1084
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 5: love the matchmaking Volkanovsky v. Lopez two in some part

1085
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 5: because it's just sort of felt like, why are we

1086
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 5: maybe wasting some of these last fights from Vulk. The

1087
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 5: outcome felt like an eventuality. The fight happened very quickly,

1088
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 5: and I, as I've said, I feel like you can

1089
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 5: argue Volkanovsky won nine, if not ten, of those rounds.

1090
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 5: Melk is Iel Costa man twenty nine years old, Kenny,

1091
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 5: he is a very instinctual fighter. He's very long, He's

1092
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 5: got natural power volume, he scrambles well without getting too crazy.

1093
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 5: Odd myself a little bit on a Monday, I mean,

1094
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 5: what do you think about Costa moving forward as a

1095
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 5: UFC featherweight contender that could really challenge the earlyue.

1096
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: Well, Igay has been kind of a measuring stick for

1097
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: the division, and if you're able to beat Egay, then

1098
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 4: you are absolutely elite. Finishing Egay, which something that no

1099
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 4: one else has done, I think absolutely confirms that Costa is,

1100
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: you know, can be elite and can challenge for the belt.

1101
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think Costa was a guy that I

1102
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: was sleeping on a little bit heading into this fight.

1103
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 4: I thought he had a great chance of winning. I

1104
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 4: wasn't sure if he would be able to finish. But man,

1105
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: I mean, what else can you say after that? You

1106
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: finish a guy like Ega in that manner? He clearly

1107
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: had the offense to be fighting at a high level.

1108
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 4: I think his defense is improving. I think if it

1109
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: continues to improve and his wrestling and all that stuff improves,

1110
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: this guy could be fighting for the belt potentially early

1111
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: next year.

1112
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really good guy. And he wasn't really on my

1113
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: raid or either kind of right, I'm there now, Yeah,

1114
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: I will not forget the guy now, you know what

1115
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean. So he made the statement he needed to make,

1116
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: and now I think all eyeballs are on him, and

1117
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: now you know, he's going to keep getting tough fights.

1118
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. But yeah, it looks like

1119
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 2: a nice prospect.

1120
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 5: Cody, thanks for the comprehensive contribution in the chat. Right

1121
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 5: now on DRAFTKINGK sports Book, Malchazel costa plus one hundred

1122
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: and fifty thousand, so one hundred and fifty to one

1123
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 5: to end twenty twenty six as the UFC Featherweight Champion.

1124
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 5: Some other numbers volc is plus one fifty, the Roe

1125
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: Murphy plus two to fifty mobs or Ivloye plus three hundred,

1126
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 5: Jean Lord Silva plus five hundred, Al Jamaine Sterling, whom

1127
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 5: we will get to is plus thirteen hundred, and Melchazel Costa.

1128
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 5: Is that one hundred and fifty to one? I mean,

1129
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 5: am I reading that right anyway? Thousand? See? Yeah, one

1130
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand and one. Excuse me, I just

1131
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 5: am having a hard time reading it in that way,

1132
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: like I need to see a different number or what

1133
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 5: a ten dollars bet would actually pay. But no, I mean,

1134
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 5: Costa is not going to get a title shot this year, right,

1135
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 5: But like, if I'm right, long, go coach and al

1136
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 5: Jamain Sterling. I mean I could really use without this

1137
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: fucking dynamic striker all of a sudden, with all these

1138
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 5: feathers contenders lining up, you know this kid from Brazil,

1139
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: Costa banging out arenas in sal Polo Raymond. No, I'm

1140
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 5: just kidding. Yeah, ten dollars they shoot fifteen hundred dollars,

1141
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty to one.

1142
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: I can't wow one hundred and fifty.

1143
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 5: To one, ten dollars on melc Is il Costa And again,

1144
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 5: stranger things have happened right on short notice. I got

1145
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: potentially an opportunity, but la Ron Murphy had to really

1146
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 5: extend himself over fifteen minutes, and memory serves to beat

1147
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 5: Dany Gay, who had moments in that fight. Yeah, and

1148
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 5: Melca's il Costa is going out there, you know, dicking

1149
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: around with Bruce fucking Buffer and then he Gay to

1150
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 5: the face in what round one? I mean, come on,

1151
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 5: all right, we got a few more minutes with Ray

1152
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 5: long ago, we got the monkey king Jordan Levin. Let

1153
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 5: it's coming up in a few minutes. I guess the

1154
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 5: stoppage that deserves more discourse is Jacoby Smith and Josiah Harrell.

1155
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 5: But I sort of want to give Jacoby Smith his

1156
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 5: flowers before we live in the end of the fight,

1157
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 5: because man, I mean, I don't know, some people just

1158
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 5: passed the eye test any and this kid in terms

1159
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 5: of the total packaging of the wrestling and the striking

1160
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 5: and the mean streak and the athletic pedigree, I think

1161
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 5: Jacobe Smith's gonna be a problem for a long time.

1162
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 5: You want to give him his flowers.

1163
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: He was trying to send his opponent to a funeral, like.

1164
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 5: Physically, physically he's an absolute animal.

1165
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't see a whole lot of people

1166
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: like do a backward roll off of a takedown, Like

1167
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: the dude is so athletic and aware of his body,

1168
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: he got taken down and decides to use that momentum

1169
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: and has a back roll to get pside control. You're like, really,

1170
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: I mean that's stuff. That's that's the kind of stuff

1171
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: where you're like, you can't teach that.

1172
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 5: That is just that's kinetic awareness.

1173
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: That is athleticism, that is strength, that is flexibility, amazing athleticism.

1174
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: And then to turn the tables like that and immediately

1175
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: land shots that were that impactful.

1176
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 5: And Harold's no joke. Man.

1177
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: He is a very good, a very skilled guy. He

1178
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 4: had had some cool moments where he was throwing some

1179
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 4: good offense. But man, Jacobe Smith is uh, physically very impressive.

1180
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: I did not like the way the fight ended. That

1181
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 5: was not cool.

1182
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: However, prior to him continuing to hurt his opponent, I

1183
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: thought it was extremely impressive.

1184
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you, I you talk about instincts, I

1185
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: mean I don't know. I mean that, I tell you.

1186
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: Besides that, that kid looked like it was gonna be

1187
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: it was gonna be a tough fight. Yeah, Like he

1188
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: was gonna hang in there. But and what I love

1189
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: is it. I mean, I don't know if he caught

1190
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: him off guard, but the other guy's takedown was beautiful

1191
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: for an eighth of a second, and then that guy

1192
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: just instinctively, whatever the hell he did, you know, to

1193
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: reverse that and get on top. And then, like you say,

1194
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: have the presence of mind. I mean, we're all talking,

1195
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: we're talking like a second, and then he went right

1196
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: on the ittaalion just started hammering blow. So if you're

1197
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: looking for instincts, I don't think there's there's a there'll

1198
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: be a better barometer of that because it was even

1199
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: the other guy's takedown. To me. Look, I mean I

1200
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 2: love what he was doing. He was putting the guy

1201
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 2: on the defensive, trying to take him down, which I love.

1202
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: But man, did that backfire. But I still think he

1203
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: did the right thing. But he's doing who the hell

1204
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: expected that? Nobody else is doing that, I don't think.

1205
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we would see that from anybody else.

1206
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: And it's not like Harrold was not athletic.

1207
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 4: I mean, the guy isn't really athletic as well, but

1208
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: there's levels of the game, and man, that was that

1209
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 4: was crazy.

1210
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine, Jenny, you haven't hit a nice takedown

1211
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: and it's literally like an eighth of a second, Lady,

1212
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: you get an elbowed in the head like I don't

1213
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: even think the other guy had time to process what

1214
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: was going on. So he took him down, beautiful.

1215
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: He took him down into side control and then got

1216
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: reversed into sign control. I mean, that's got to be

1217
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 4: so frustrating too as a guy. It's like I did

1218
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 4: everything right, but this freak just turned the tables like.

1219
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: That was out of a movie. You wouldn't have believed

1220
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: that if you saw that in the movie. Y oh yeah,

1221
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: that right, that's gonna happen.

1222
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was sick. Yeah, crazy Joe Siah Harrow can

1223
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 5: fight and right then collective points. He's a good athlete,

1224
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 5: and Matt Brown's in his corner and he he's a

1225
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 5: really hard worker. Yeah, Jacobe Smith, my gosh, I promise

1226
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 5: you before we get on out of here, we will

1227
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 5: we will talk about and address that stoppage in detail.

1228
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 5: But I don't want to keep a good man on

1229
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: the line, So now joining us, Ray's going to stick

1230
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: around for a few minutes here. He is the monkey

1231
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 5: King Jordan Levitt, and hopefully he does it. Weigh one

1232
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty two pounds right now. Hopefully he is

1233
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 5: adding some food and some caloric things to his system.

1234
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 5: But Jordan Levit joins us about forty eight hours removed

1235
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 5: from his sixth UFC win, his first as a UFC featherweight. Congratulations,

1236
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 5: my man, it's good to see. So. I know you

1237
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 5: had a great energy about you as a featherweight, at

1238
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 5: least for the first time in the UFC. I know

1239
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 5: your career began as a mixed martial artist as a featherweight,

1240
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 5: But now that you're out the other side and you

1241
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 5: beat a credentialed, fairly highly touted, undefeated fighter as an underdog,

1242
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 5: you got to be feeling pretty good. So how was

1243
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 5: the week?

1244
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: That was the wait?

1245
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 6: It's pretty spress free if I'm being honest, Because I

1246
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 6: wasn't on social media. I didn't know I was the dog.

1247
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 6: I just knew he was undefeated, and everyone kept telling

1248
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 6: me how strong and basically imposing he was. So I

1249
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 6: went out there expecting strength, but then I forgot that

1250
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 6: how how strong I am at one fifty five, and

1251
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 6: that strength carried down, So yeah, I figure out I was.

1252
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 6: He was a minus four or four hundred and five favorite,

1253
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 6: so I was a pretty sizable dog, and I don't

1254
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 6: think I didn't look it, So that was always that

1255
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 6: was pretty good.

1256
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 5: Pretty good about that five UFC lightweight wins to your

1257
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 5: credit and your plus three twenty. Perhaps we didn't make

1258
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 5: enough of that on the broadcast, but sometimes that can

1259
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 5: be editorializing. So you won a bonus for the submission

1260
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 5: of Kurt Hollibo, and I'm curious going into that fight,

1261
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 5: are you thinking about dropping a weight class? Like when

1262
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 5: did this first come into your mind that this was

1263
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 5: a consideration.

1264
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 6: I've been I didn't want to go down to forty

1265
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 6: five since I've been signed. If I'm being honest, my

1266
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 6: last forty five cut forty five fight was at it

1267
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 6: wasn't twenty eighteen and really bad boxed weightcut. I got

1268
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 6: a cute kidney failure and the commission was forcing me

1269
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 6: to move up a weight class, so I and then

1270
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 6: twenty twenty happens, so I'm forced to like fight very

1271
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 6: often that one fifty five. I get into the UFC,

1272
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 6: and I'm excited to not be broke. First off, because

1273
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 6: it's hard to make forty five when you have no money.

1274
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 6: But I talked to the PI and I'm like, can

1275
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 6: I make forty five? And they're like, we don't advise it,

1276
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 6: Like we don't think it's a smart move for you.

1277
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 6: So I just decided to stay at fifty five and

1278
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 6: put on muscle and try to give my body time

1279
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 6: to heal. But around the time I thought Victor Martinez

1280
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 6: and got the knockout, I knew eventually I was in

1281
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 6: go to forty five again. I just need to get

1282
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 6: my body healthy. I needed to make some life changes,

1283
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 6: and after the Carholivalvemonus you know, got here, I knew

1284
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: I could take a few months off, the change the

1285
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 6: body composition, and get back to the size I was.

1286
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 8: In high school.

1287
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 6: And I felt really good as my best weight cut

1288
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 6: in my UFC career, and I was almost frustrated that

1289
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 6: I wasn't doing this the entire time.

1290
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 8: So yeah, onward and onward.

1291
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 5: You look great, man. So what does this do for you?

1292
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 5: Confidence wise?

1293
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: Knowing that you know you got to experience one hundred

1294
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 4: and forty five pounds you mentioned you know that you

1295
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 4: felt really really strong, What does this do for you mentally?

1296
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 5: Now knowing that you have this new division really good.

1297
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 8: I all fight week.

1298
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: I was just every time i'd see got here in

1299
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 6: the hallway, I'd like wave across the allee of elevators.

1300
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, I'm his size.

1301
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 6: Like I always see my opponents on the fire week,

1302
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 6: I'm in by hand, I'm like, these.

1303
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 8: Guys are huge, you know.

1304
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 6: And I'm always thinking like, okay, like, yeah, he's bigger

1305
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 6: than me, he's heavier than me. But I just got

1306
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 6: to be smarter. And I saw my opponent this week

1307
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I don't even need to be smart.

1308
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 8: I just need to do my thing, you know.

1309
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 6: And I went out there, got the takedown very early,

1310
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 6: and I felt his initial tweeze and I'm like, yeah,

1311
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 6: I'm stronger dude.

1312
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 8: I'm a stronger dude today. And yeah, I.

1313
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 6: Felt pretty good to go out there and be able

1314
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 6: to cheat a little bit.

1315
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 4: So, Jordan, you have a lot of experience now. It

1316
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: seems you're fighting very comfortably in the UFC. What do

1317
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 4: you think is the most difficult thing about being a

1318
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: pro fighter fighting at the elite level in the UFC.

1319
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 6: Honestly, just I think the monotonous schedule. I feel like

1320
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 6: it's not hard to get really good at some skills,

1321
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 6: but it can be very boring, and the martial artist

1322
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 6: in me wants to go to learn new things and

1323
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 6: try out new tactics, new techniques every day. I love

1324
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 6: to go into the gym, especially when I was first starting,

1325
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 6: and every day I learned something new.

1326
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 8: I'm gonna use that, I'm gonna use this.

1327
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 6: But at one point you get to a certain level

1328
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 6: where it's like, Okay, I'm drilling the same things for

1329
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 6: three months and it's a little boring and it's a

1330
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 6: little stagnating, and just getting used to just that monotonous

1331
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 6: schedule and just putting time into master a few things.

1332
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 8: That's very hard for me.

1333
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 6: And then the weight cuts and say no to family

1334
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 6: things and just the time you'll miss out on that's

1335
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 6: pretty hard. But every job you miss out on, think yeah.

1336
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 5: Jordan Levitt with us live on the Anticiploran podcast. Thanks

1337
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 5: for everybody joining us on the Anticiploring podcast YouTube channel.

1338
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 5: Also all the smoke fight Ray, so I'm not trying

1339
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 5: to put you on the spot. I know you and

1340
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 5: just a lot of these live events. I don't know

1341
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 5: if you saw Jordan's fight. It was the second of

1342
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 5: the night, but Jordan when he began in the UFC,

1343
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 5: didn't have any kids, or it was right around that time,

1344
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 5: and now he has two. And he said to us

1345
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 5: in the Fighter meeting, it's a stressor and a de stressor.

1346
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 5: And I ever heard it put that way, but I

1347
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: think it's really the perfect terminology.

1348
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1349
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: My kids trys to fuck me out and they alleviate.

1350
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how they do both of those things,

1351
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 5: but they do.

1352
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: Right.

1353
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 5: Did you see Jordan's fight?

1354
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. Congratulations, Jordan's good, really really good fight.

1355
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: Did did anything come into effect because wasn't he the

1356
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: guy that fought Dulgarian? Wasn't that the controversial?

1357
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 5: Yes?

1358
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean yeah, did you take that into consideration?

1359
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: Maybe this guy is not as good as they say

1360
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: it was, because we don't know what happened with Dulgarian.

1361
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 2: Did he throw to fight? He didn't throw to fight.

1362
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: You know they're building them up off of that fight.

1363
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: Anything that come into your head at all? I know

1364
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 2: your introspective and you look like a guy that thinks

1365
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: about every little detail possible.

1366
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1367
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 6: No, I thought about that, and for me it was

1368
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 6: irrelevant because Dulgarian on paper, is a better wrestler. Than me,

1369
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 6: But I think a better grappler than Bulgarian, So I

1370
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 6: don't care that even if Dulgary was fighting as hard

1371
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 6: as the Valley submitted him, I still think I'm a

1372
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 6: better grappler than Mulgarian. I knew he wasn't going to

1373
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: commit me like that, but I can tell you what

1374
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 6: if I would have got tapped down in the first

1375
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 6: half round that fights Riggs and.

1376
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 8: There's no way. There was no way that was gonna

1377
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 8: happen to me.

1378
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the FBI would have been at your door before

1379
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: you left the Yeah.

1380
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 6: I feel bad that the Dulgarian fight was his previous

1381
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 6: one because people on Twitter are like, oh, yeah, Dulgarian's

1382
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 6: going to jail after that fight. Glarian's going to jail,

1383
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 6: you know. Like I was able to out wrestle with

1384
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 6: the Valley so dominantly, so I got two of the

1385
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 6: contenders out of the way of this in this division

1386
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 6: for me and one night. So yeah, I thought about it,

1387
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 6: and it was irrelevant. He still tapped out Connor Matthews

1388
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 6: very quickly. He still had a good performance on Contender Series.

1389
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 6: He's still undefeated, he's still on he's still very physically

1390
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: imposing and undefeated Cuban kid, lots of height, and I

1391
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 6: kind of like it. I like being I like knowing

1392
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 6: that people expect me to lose a fight because there's

1393
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 6: no pressure. I wasn't even on social media. I had

1394
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 6: no interviews, I had no nothing. I should have to

1395
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 6: go in there and play the spoiler and get people

1396
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 6: to boom me.

1397
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 8: And it felt great.

1398
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 5: Well, no interviews, but I will say, you know, we

1399
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 5: sit down with fifteen of the twenty eight athletes, and

1400
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 5: god damn it, Jordan Levitt got a fighter meeting. So

1401
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 5: I don't always stay into how those come together, but

1402
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 5: sometimes they'll show me the initial list and you know,

1403
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 5: but you and I haven't necessarily had the chance to

1404
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 5: sit down all that often. You have been on some

1405
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 5: fight nights, but this was good to see you take

1406
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 5: advantage of this showcase. You know, it's interesting when you

1407
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 5: talk about that Dulgarian circumstance because your walkout was in

1408
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 5: commercial break too. I think the US audience internationally they

1409
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 5: got your walk out. And I don't even know if

1410
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 5: you're a guy who goes back and watches the walkout.

1411
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 5: But my boss, Zach Candido called me the day of

1412
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 5: the fight to ask what my approach was going to

1413
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 5: be to talking about the betting scandal, and I just

1414
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 5: thinking about the athlete and sort of how I'm going

1415
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 5: to talk about his measurables and what he does. But yes,

1416
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 5: in a grappling wrestling world, especially after seeing the confidence

1417
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 5: coming off you, I didn't think he could hold up

1418
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 5: with you there. So what do you think the UFC

1419
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 5: does with you now? How much, say, do you expect

1420
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 5: to have in that? And you know, how soon can

1421
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 5: you get back in there? Can you make shorter? Can

1422
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 5: you make it? Do you need more time? Now is

1423
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 5: a featherweight than you would have as a lightweight? How's

1424
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 5: everything going to play out from here?

1425
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 6: Well, so I was talking to my manager backstage. He's like, yeah,

1426
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 6: how does April sound. I'm like that necessarily, I'm not.

1427
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 8: Fighting in April.

1428
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 6: I'm going to go look at home. I'm gonna go

1429
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 6: to the hotel room and eat a cheesecake first. I'm

1430
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 6: gonna like eat some fried food for a week, spend

1431
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 6: time with the family. I'm I'm thinking June at the earliest.

1432
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 6: I'm hoping for July. I want to get two more

1433
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 6: this year and the next year. I want to be

1434
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 6: fighting for a number. That's the idea ideal. Well, yeah,

1435
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 6: I know, I think the short turnaround, I could still

1436
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 6: do it. I just gotta keep on my walk in

1437
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 6: and my fat burn and just not pick out as much.

1438
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 6: But I've been doing really good at introducing new healthy

1439
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 6: habits and this weight cut was the best way could

1440
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 6: I've had in the UFC. But I could still I'm

1441
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 6: still like a twelve percent body bag. Could still lose

1442
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 6: a little bit more weight about any negative repercussions, So

1443
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be even more cut. I'm looking like y'ad

1444
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 6: here the next fight.

1445
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 8: That's the goal.

1446
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 6: I want to look like him the next fight and

1447
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 6: walk out there.

1448
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 5: Well, and you're still young, thirty years of age. You'll

1449
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 5: be thirty one on June second. Right, All things going

1450
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 5: well for Jordan Levitt right now. But yeah, it is

1451
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 5: interesting when you think about say the next two or

1452
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 5: three years, and yeah, just thinking about less in terms

1453
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 5: of deprivation and more about introducing healthy habits. Do you

1454
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 5: do hot yoga all by the way, I used to.

1455
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 7: I used to.

1456
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 6: I did yoga every day for like seven years, and

1457
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 6: then I blew out my knee and oh I got

1458
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 6: out of look at my practice, but that's where all

1459
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 6: the flexibility comes from.

1460
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 5: Well, my son has Celiac disease, so maybe you go

1461
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 5: gluten free for a little bit.

1462
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 8: You know me too, I absolutely disease.

1463
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, Well, hey man, I'm glad that you were

1464
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 5: able to carve out a few minutes for us. It

1465
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 5: was really great to sit down with you. You maximized everything.

1466
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 5: Enjoy your daughters. Don't let Shelby haze you into an

1467
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 5: early April date. But we hope to talk to you

1468
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 5: again and we look forward to the future. My man,

1469
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 5: congrats on a big win.

1470
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 6: Awesome, thank you, thanks, thanks for talking to the guys.

1471
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 8: I'll talk the guy assume, buddy, congrats.

1472
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1473
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 5: The Monkey King Jordan Levitt, So, as the story goes,

1474
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 5: one time after a wrestling match, he walked off the

1475
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 5: mat on his knuckles, and he's been the Monkey King.

1476
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: He's definitely a different cat, but you could see just

1477
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: a nice, nice kid, no yea yeah.

1478
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: And I was able to get through an interview with

1479
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 5: a lightweight turned featherweight without bringing up Kenny Florian quite

1480
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 5: literally staring death in the fucking face to fight diego.

1481
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: You know, I remember lying about I remember lying and

1482
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 4: telling everybody in interviews that oh.

1483
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was the best way cut of my life,

1484
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 5: and yeah, no it was not. So. So let's say

1485
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 5: Tenny Kenny gave ten years of his life with those cuts.

1486
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 5: Let's just say, okay, no, it just stufftails into my

1487
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 5: next question. I'm not trying to be an asshole, right, Hey,

1488
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,480
Speaker 5: would you rather win one hundred and fifty million dollars

1489
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 5: or live twice as long?

1490
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'd rather live twice as long.

1491
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: Of course you would. You're in your sixties, right, I mean,

1492
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 5: if you're telling me, what.

1493
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: Well, what a motherfucker this guy put a rotten cot

1494
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 2: suck that you want?

1495
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 5: I introduced you today as the senior member of our crew.

1496
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 5: You didn't say a goddamn thing. Tody Marrow in your thirties,

1497
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 5: maybe it's a different but Kenny, right for us in

1498
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 5: our late forties, you and me like you're gonna get

1499
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 5: a nineties right after those that every day of the

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 5: week you can take your mob right, Hey, time, time

1501
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 5: is the most precious thing we have.

1502
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: I'd give up one hundred and fifty for ten extra years.

1503
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 5: It's actually a trick question, right, unless you're right, Unless

1504
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 5: you're young. But yeah, for any of us. This advanced me.

1505
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: It's a trick question. Let's what's the difference between one

1506
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: fifty and seventy million? Like, what am I going to do?

1507
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 2: I got seventy well right, and mention that mentioned seventy million.

1508
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: I think I'd be doing this fucking podcast.

1509
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 5: I was actually asked if you wanted to scale back

1510
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 5: your schedule or scale up your raid, or what your

1511
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 5: relative level of happiness was was with the current situation

1512
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 5: going into twenty twenty six, but no agent reached out

1513
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 5: to us. It seems like this still happy.

1514
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 2: So I'm a team player.

1515
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 5: Baby, you still do that? You have to unfiltered bullshit

1516
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,879
Speaker 5: on the side or no, I haven't done.

1517
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: That in a while. I haven't done that. I don't

1518
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: think in a while.

1519
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 5: I'm not even sure if that show exists.

1520
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 2: I think, I think I do Buffett. I don't know

1521
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: if it exists.

1522
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 5: Oh you do Buffer's podcast. Okay, Well have buff It's time.

1523
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: You gotta be you gotta be happy at the buff No.

1524
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 5: Thirty years, thirty years unbelievable. He got emotional love it. Yeah, Well,

1525
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 5: so I knew this was going to be a problem,

1526
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 5: that he was going to think he was going into

1527
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame. Oh shit, And he's not a

1528
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: great listener. So I wrote the lead, and my lead

1529
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 5: said something to the effect one day the Hall of

1530
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 5: Fame will come calling, but tonight we are happy to

1531
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 5: indulge in this milestone with the greatest of all time.

1532
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 5: So if he was a good listener, I was trying

1533
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 5: to give him that so that he would know that

1534
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 5: this was not the Hall of Fame, and that might

1535
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 5: be next year, the year after, even later this year,

1536
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 5: who knows, you know. But yeah, thirty years for the

1537
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 5: buff Man. It's it's been an incredible run, to be sure.

1538
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that is a little tricky though

1539
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: we've never really.

1540
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 5: I think so too. Well, we had not I think

1541
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 5: at twenty five years and twenty six and you know,

1542
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 5: I think you got twenty seven years.

1543
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 2: Whose idea was that for the thirty years though? Because

1544
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 2: I could see Bruce getting tricked like that, Yeah, yeah,

1545
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: I actually don't want to.

1546
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 5: It was brutally no, I don't want feature. But I

1547
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 5: did see him talk to Craig bor sorry and say

1548
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 5: to him like, hey, it's my it's my thirtieth in

1549
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 5: a few weeks. Yeah, man, anyway, Hey, Ray oh what, look,

1550
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 5: you should see what's going on outside? This is absolutely

1551
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 5: and it looks.

1552
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: Like you have sunshine though it looks like some sun

1553
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: just came through that window.

1554
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know that I would classify it as such.

1555
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 5: We gotta go, right, We've taken forty five minutes of

1556
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 5: your time. You've complained about your rate in a in

1557
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 5: a tongue way like you have anything else.

1558
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: You know what I like most about this podcast today? Kenny? Absolutely,

1559
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 2: that would have been better. We actually we started on

1560
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: a time that we only yeah that when we don't

1561
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 2: hit that time, this guy gets a little be We

1562
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: didn't want to disappoint you like I'm from another planet.

1563
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 5: Hang on a second, Ray, bring in our good friend,

1564
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 5: our Anakin Florian podcast insider Mixed Martial Arts analyst Guru

1565
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 5: Randall Clifford r J Clifford is his stage name.

1566
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 9: Great to see you're the only person allowed to call

1567
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 9: me by my Christian name.

1568
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 3: Okay, rand Yeah, Randall.

1569
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 5: Hey, go to sher dog dot com and look him up.

1570
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: He's a former pro fighter, so hopefully he doesn't tell

1571
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 5: me on the side to stop calling him Randall. But Ray,

1572
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 5: I mean r J. Obviously you're a radio host for

1573
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 5: a long time. I know you've done some guest booking

1574
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 5: in your day, right. So when we joined up with

1575
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 5: All the Smoke Fight, we asked Ray if he would

1576
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 5: prefer to have the show start at ten am or

1577
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 5: New right, because we were not going to continue in

1578
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 5: our eleven am Eastern time slot. We gave Ray, as

1579
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 5: the quote unfucking quote star at the show, the chance

1580
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 5: to pick the time slow he slot. He chose New

1581
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 5: But as you probably just heard, like anytime he's not

1582
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 5: on the screws twelve thirty, whether he's in a snowstorm

1583
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 5: or not, U, he has a problem with it. And

1584
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 5: next week I'm going to be in Vegas and I

1585
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 5: need him at eleven am and he doesn't know it yet,

1586
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 5: and right I don't even know how to handle it.

1587
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: No, no, but it's all right if you tell me

1588
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: a week in advance. But I'm trying to.

1589
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 5: I'm telling you now that Friday, can you do eleven am?

1590
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: Yes?

1591
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 5: What is that about you? On Sunday night? What time

1592
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 5: you got to? Like you change up your routine and

1593
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 5: not stay up till four am?

1594
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have to I have to plan for that,

1595
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: all right.

1596
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 9: Ray Ray with executive producer powers, Like there's people that

1597
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 9: don't decide when the show is moving forward.

1598
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: Ray, Like that is massive power.

1599
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 5: We build it around him. Yeah he also social Security,

1600
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 5: right right?

1601
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1602
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: Social Security? Yeah, all right, not not yet. I think

1603
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: I gotta It's funny, John, I was just looking at that.

1604
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: I think I got to wait a couple of more years.

1605
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 5: Oh come on, let us know. And if you're gonna

1606
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 5: run out, reach out to Jason and maybe uh he

1607
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 5: can up your rate until social Security comes in. I'm

1608
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 5: trying to get.

1609
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: Social Security of what I get paid for this podcast.

1610
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking at tents in San Francisco right now.

1611
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: That still runs about it three random month.

1612
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might not even be able to afford that.

1613
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 5: Jay, all right, thank you, thank you, buddy.

1614
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 2: Make it easy. Enjoy the rest of podcast.

1615
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 5: Ray long co minute every week on the Anicmploring podcast

1616
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 5: dating back to twenty fifteen, and we now give a

1617
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 5: proper intro to our guy R J Clifford.

1618
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 3: Who am I supposed to follow that up?

1619
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1620
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 9: Well, do I have to like crap out a golden

1621
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 9: egg to like one way long ago a minute?

1622
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what I can do?

1623
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 9: Like everyone's like okay, well, Ray's gone, Argie time, we'll

1624
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 9: best make it work.

1625
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy. Well, it's always great to see you.

1626
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I mean sometimes the Ray long a

1627
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 5: minute isn't as maybe compelling, if I can hump call

1628
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 5: it that as it was today. Sometimes it's not great.

1629
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 5: You know, there was actually a time over the eleven

1630
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 5: years where he was super fucking long winded and I

1631
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 5: didn't have to.

1632
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 9: Tell him the very longo minutes. It's it's the BMF

1633
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 9: of radio segments. You know, the normal rules of like

1634
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 9: hierarchy and rankings and who beats you.

1635
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't apply. It doesn't apply little metrics fair.

1636
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 5: So it's great to see. We've talked a lot about

1637
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 5: a number of different things, and I know you're well

1638
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 5: versed to talk about it now. This fight night began

1639
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 5: with an obnoxious number of decisions and it ended with

1640
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 5: so many different headlines and things to talk about. I

1641
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,959
Speaker 5: don't know if you saw my new favorite fighter, Carlos Leal,

1642
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 5: what a fucking monster that guy is. But no, I

1643
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 5: want to ask you about Strickland first. If I could, so,

1644
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 5: thirtieth pro Mma win and I just thought he was

1645
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 5: super hungry. Really sort of seems to have maximized the

1646
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 5: year away. He was in outstanding shape, and yeah, he

1647
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 5: did the fluffy what nobody's done really since COVID. So

1648
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 5: I wanted to first get your thoughts on the main event.

1649
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 3: I meant, yeah, I thought like.

1650
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 9: Look, you won't find a bigger Fluffy Hernandez fan than me,

1651
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 9: just like anybody else, right, just the style of fighting,

1652
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 9: this the energy that he brings.

1653
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 3: He rides like a high school wrestler on top.

1654
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 9: He breaks all the rules and how you're supposed to ride,

1655
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 9: the durable fun, drops an F bomb every third word,

1656
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 9: like flagrantly talks about how much he smokes, and a

1657
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 9: family man, like come on, let's I want that Scott

1658
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 9: to be my neighbor. But I just thought that Sean

1659
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 9: Strickland had a style that was just absolute kryptonite to

1660
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:32,520
Speaker 9: Anthony Hernandez.

1661
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 3: Like Stricklands knows how to fight, long nose, great teep.

1662
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 9: He's like really the only guy in MMA that's regularly teeping,

1663
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 9: which is kind of wild that I can't think of

1664
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 9: anyone who does it consistently. Long jabs, long right hands,

1665
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 9: and he's incredibly difficult to take down and even harder

1666
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 9: to hold down. And so when if this fight ended

1667
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 9: up staying at like a kickboxing range. I mean, Strickland

1668
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 9: was just gonna eat the entire time. And I think

1669
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 9: people are starting to realize that Hernandez can be kind

1670
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 9: of weak to the body, and it just took one

1671
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 9: really good knee from Shawn Strickland to.

1672
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 3: Make that happen.

1673
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 9: So I was talking about how, you know, Chehn Strickland

1674
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 9: is like a plus two thirty five underdog last week,

1675
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 9: like what am I? What am I missing here? And

1676
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 9: I was called an idiot. I think our good friend Michael,

1677
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 9: the plant.

1678
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 3: Producer at the UFC said r J.

1679
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 9: The UFC lines, it's all recentcy bias, and the last

1680
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 9: time we saw Strickland he was getting beat up by

1681
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 9: Drincus duplus he getting blanked I think fifty forty five.

1682
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 9: And that's when we say Anthony Hernandez. He was like

1683
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 9: pulling dudes out of the bar like a bouncer by

1684
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 9: the neck and strangling them and so it's like that's

1685
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 9: not sucking people's minds.

1686
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, Strickland still got it.

1687
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 5: J r J. You're the smartest idiot I know.

1688
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 8: I gotta say you.

1689
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 4: No, you called it, dude, You called it perfectly on

1690
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 4: the podcast and I didn't really see it, So, you know,

1691
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 4: congrats on that.

1692
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 5: That was awesome. Do you think again?

1693
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 4: You know, Hernandez has that high pressure style, he takes

1694
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 4: it down, he knows how to ride it and and

1695
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 4: you know, eat up the clock. Hams At Chumaya, of

1696
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 4: of course a little differ different, but I think they

1697
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 4: have the same style Homza with more energy, maybe with

1698
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 4: more technique for sure, But do you think this is

1699
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 4: a style that can give a guy like Hamsat Chimaya

1700
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 4: of trouble.

1701
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 9: I think Fluffy lacks the physicality that he would need

1702
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 9: for the really upper echelon guys at one eighty five.

1703
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 9: Drikas incredibly physical, Hamza incredibly physical. It's it's he He

1704
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 9: is a stud. He has a diverse takedown game. If

1705
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 9: he gets on top and he gets momentum on his side,

1706
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 9: godn't knows what's gonna happen. But unless he's gonna gas

1707
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 9: you out, he's really not gonna put a whooping on you.

1708
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 9: And then then that's that's not to say that that's

1709
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 9: like a weakness like that's Cardio's the ultimate weapon for

1710
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 9: for Fluffy Hernandez, and it's works so well.

1711
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 3: Up to this point. But I I if the.

1712
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 9: Fight gets to a fourth or fifth round with Chamaiah

1713
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 9: with his potential cardio issues, then we're talking but the

1714
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 9: physicality that you need to be able to get in

1715
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 9: an over under clinch with Drekas or ham Zat or

1716
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 9: even a Calbajaio even I mean, it just takes, you know,

1717
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 9: it takes the level of physicality.

1718
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if Fluffy has so for.

1719
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 4: Nowell I was I should have prefaced that by saying,

1720
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Strickland's ability to matter with someone like Chimaya.

1721
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, coming off of the win of Hernandez. So does

1722
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 5: this bode well for you?

1723
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think, like, hey, maybe Strickland can

1724
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 4: can get an upset against ju Maya Again?

1725
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: I think I think the exact same way.

1726
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 9: I think, you know, fourth and fifth round like strictly,

1727
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 9: The really fun part about Strickland versus Fluffy for me

1728
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 9: was they both have crazy cardio but completely different. Strickland

1729
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 9: paces himself and knows how to be very efficient with

1730
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 9: his movements, while Fluffy just has.

1731
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 3: A third long and just goes, goes, goes.

1732
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 9: It's like, so which one but in Strickland against when

1733
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 9: he's in five rounders. His highest output is usually in

1734
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 9: the fifth round. So he's a guy that kind of

1735
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 9: I don't know if he saves his cardio, but it

1736
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 9: comes off comes on late. That's what you I think

1737
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 9: need against some chamaia like chamaia. He, like I said,

1738
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 9: Sean Strickland, extremely hard to take down, and then when

1739
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 9: you do, you almost never land any ground and pound

1740
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 9: or get any submissions. He just so squarely shama I

1741
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 9: have you know, does that five, six, seven, eight, ten

1742
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 9: times in the first three four rounds like he could

1743
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 9: really guess out. So yeah, I think again, with all

1744
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 9: things Sean Strickland, I think cardio is the X factor.

1745
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 5: If you're Nosordini Mavov and you watch this master class

1746
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 5: from Sean Strickland, it's less than ideal for you as

1747
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 5: the consensus number one contender, even though you're number two

1748
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 5: behind Drikus dou plus see because you have a head

1749
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 5: to head loss against Sean Strickland and you don't sell

1750
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 5: nearly as well. Now, r J, you might know better

1751
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 5: than I as too how much Nosordini Mavov as a

1752
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 5: French Sky would potentially move a needle right. But correct

1753
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 5: me if I'm Wrongchimayas versus Strickland is an absolutely massive

1754
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 5: fight and if you can somehow maybe rain Sean in

1755
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 5: a little bit to incentivize him to take I mean,

1756
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 5: I don't even know that you have to rain him in,

1757
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 5: but they did cut his mic Saturday night. I mean,

1758
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 5: how do you not make that fight? I mean, how

1759
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 5: do you not make that fight right now?

1760
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 9: And I think that fight brings out the both the

1761
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 9: best in both guys. Amsa Chamaya like he's a proud

1762
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 9: guy and he hears Strickland call on him everything you

1763
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 9: know with his history and and Sean Strickland, it's I

1764
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 9: had a colleague of ours.

1765
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: That will remain nameless.

1766
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 9: And he texts me he's like, I think Strickland's ex

1767
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 9: poweredness fight is his racism because he doesn't want to lose,

1768
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 9: in his mind a terrorist, right, he doesn't want to

1769
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 9: lose Maya. You know, He's like, oh no, he's yeah,

1770
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 9: the warlord guy and blah blah blah. It's just like

1771
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 9: he can't leave his his his inner strength will not

1772
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 9: let him do that. So uh, I think for storyline wise,

1773
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 9: it's it's the way to go. But I think this

1774
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 9: it's kind of tongue in cheek. But if Strickland, you know,

1775
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 9: his motivation has kind of bounced around in the last

1776
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 9: eighteen to twenty four months.

1777
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 3: He's been open about that motivations. We had a million Oh.

1778
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 5: Can we get that in the lower third.

1779
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 4: As as far as like you know, when they have like

1780
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 4: the strengths and weaknesses, yea, yeah.

1781
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Cardio reach right to stain for other cultures.

1782
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 5: Politically proud American. Yeah. On the Anti Comployment podcast, thanks

1783
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 5: to everybody with us live on YouTube today. We appreciate that.

1784
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 5: We appreciate it after the fact, just a scoch less.

1785
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 5: So I do want to ask you about Melchaziel Costa,

1786
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 5: but I'm going to table that in the nature of

1787
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 5: time and ask about the stoppage and the Jacoby Smith

1788
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 5: Josiah Harrell fight, and certainly as a talking head. By

1789
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 5: the way, if you're an NFL fan, RJ hosts an

1790
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 5: NFL podcast centered on the Las Vegas Raiders. It is

1791
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 5: called the Autumn wind Bags But referee sometimes damned if

1792
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 5: you do, damned if you don't. So Carrie Hatley certainly

1793
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 5: plays into this. I think Jacoby Smith getting a couple

1794
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 5: extra plays into this, you know, in two thousand and

1795
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 5: eight when Kenny was bludgeoning fellow Massachusetts date of Joe

1796
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 5: los On. Rosan wasn't unconscious, but like Kenny, didn't have

1797
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 5: any love loss for Joe, he wanted to beat the

1798
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 5: fuck out of the fellow Massachusetts native, and had los

1799
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 5: On been unconscious, he would argue Kenny might have thrown

1800
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 5: an extra shot. So I know Kenny thinks Jacoby threw

1801
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 5: an extra punch or two, and I think that's undeniable.

1802
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 5: You can't control if you're Jacoby Smith that Josiah Harrell

1803
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 5: was staring death in the face and had brain surgery

1804
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 5: when you're punching a guy out trying to become a

1805
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 5: world champion, So what do you have for us on

1806
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 5: the stoppage? And Jacoby's maybe lack of restraint and carry

1807
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 5: Hatley's not ideal situation either, So I it.

1808
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 9: Was kind of weird. I've rewatched that finish several times.

1809
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 9: I still can't tell if Jasiah Harral was knocked out

1810
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 9: from like got wobbly from the throw or from the punches.

1811
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 3: I think there's a.

1812
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 9: Case where he got a great takedown on Jacoby and

1813
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 9: then I don't know what you call that move Kenny

1814
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 9: when he just just breakdanced over this hits Oh my god, Like,

1815
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 9: how was Jacoby not a national champion wrestled at the

1816
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 9: D one level like he is incredible? So that was

1817
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 9: kind of out of Carrie Hatley's hands where it's it

1818
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 9: was kind of weird there. But there was a point

1819
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 9: where we all knew Jasiah Harrell was was done and out.

1820
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 3: Everyone except Carry Hatley knew that.

1821
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 9: And so when the follow what punches were coming and

1822
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 9: there was no touch and then the ref steps in

1823
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 9: and there was two more.

1824
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't know I as a guy.

1825
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 9: Who fought as a huge headcase, like I don't remember

1826
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 9: my first fight because the nerves were just it was

1827
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 9: sixty nine seconds and I don't remember a single thing

1828
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 9: because the nerves are that wild.

1829
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 3: Can you remember those early days when the fights were

1830
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 3: just were just.

1831
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 9: Nuts and and you know Jacobe Smith still semi green

1832
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 9: at eleven pro fights, Like if you told me he

1833
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 9: was just trying to be an asshole, I believe you.

1834
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 9: Or Jacoby Smith said, look, I was just I didn't

1835
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 9: know the fight was over. I was trying to get

1836
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 9: the fight done. I've kind of felt him touch me,

1837
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 9: kind of didn't and I just threw two more than

1838
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 9: maybe I shouldn't. I believe him too, So I don't

1839
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 9: have a lot of I'm not going to swing a

1840
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 9: giant acts of blame in any direction.

1841
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, except at the ref. Was that's always the yeah, Kenny, Yeah.

1842
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 5: I agree.

1843
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 4: I think that the ref should have jumped in there

1844
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 4: obviously a lot quicker, and you know, did a good

1845
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 4: job at the end after through those extra punches of

1846
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 4: like making sure the fighter wasn't gonna follow up with

1847
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 4: even more shots.

1848
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 5: He'd be sure he pushed him away a couple of

1849
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 5: times and things like that.

1850
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was like getting in there, man, And

1851
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 4: I agree, I think that's fair, Argent.

1852
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes you have this tunnel.

1853
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 4: Vision where you are almost like you're just in the

1854
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 4: moment and you're just get caught up, you know, throwing

1855
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 4: punches and just getting the finish and all that stuff.

1856
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 4: And I think that perhaps that was the case. But man,

1857
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 4: what do you think about Jacoby Smith and his potential?

1858
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 4: I mean, clearly his athleticism is on a different level.

1859
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I'm you know, being under the wing of

1860
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 9: Daniel Cormier certainly helps a lot. Having the background of

1861
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 9: Oklahoma State who destroyed Iowa in their wrestling duel meet yesterday.

1862
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 9: Good golly, miss Molly. Things are going great for.

1863
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: The for those guys.

1864
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 9: But yeah, no, I think the I think the biggest

1865
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 9: questions for me when wrestlers come in are are.

1866
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: There's those obviously a lot, but the two biggest.

1867
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 9: Things that don't translate naturally, and they either have it

1868
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 9: or they don't is comfortability under fire? Can you do

1869
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 9: all the things you've learned when some guys trying to

1870
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 9: turn your beak around like a a Warner Brothers cartoon

1871
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 9: and chin? Those are those are I think the two

1872
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 9: most important things. And Jacoby Smith has shown he's both

1873
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 9: like he's certainly found himself in some rough situations when

1874
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 9: he's battled out of it and he's taken some pretty

1875
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 9: good shots and he's been able to hang in there.

1876
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 9: So everything else, all the all the stuff we see

1877
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 9: on the surface, athleticism, wrestling, mentality, camp, you know, he's

1878
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 9: got an eighteen pack, like that's all there. Then the

1879
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 9: two kind of out there things I think have shown

1880
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 9: so far.

1881
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 3: So good.

1882
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 9: I like how the UFC's I know, I know, uh

1883
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 9: Josiah was a late notice replacement, but it's very rare

1884
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 9: for the UFC to kind of develop guys right.

1885
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: Normally it's just throw them in there and go.

1886
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 9: I like the mashmaking so far for the UFC and

1887
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 9: how they chose Jacoby Smith.

1888
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 5: And real quick justin Gaechie zero fights lifetime, Jacoby Smith plenty. Okay,

1889
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 5: he's a born fighter. I can't tell you how many,

1890
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 5: but I really do believe the mean streak to whatever degree,

1891
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 5: is going to serve him well. But RJ hit on

1892
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 5: a lot of I think important points, just about fighting

1893
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 5: on instinct and being green, and yeah, it's gonna be

1894
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 5: really interesting. And one other thing I would add. You know,

1895
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 5: he normally arrives during fight week closer to one hundred

1896
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 5: and eighty two pounds. Came at one ninety, so he

1897
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 5: has added some muscle mass. Hey, Before we get to

1898
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 5: our next guest, RJ, I do want to ask you,

1899
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 5: in the context of Diego Lopez's frustrating second effort against

1900
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 5: Alan Alexander Volkanovsky. We have all these featherweight contenders that

1901
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 5: the fan base is excited to see against volk whether

1902
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 5: it's Mobs or Ievloyev or Laron Murphy or melc is

1903
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 5: Il fucking Costa bro, Like I'm just saying against and

1904
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 5: certainly you can talk about Egay's historical our ability, which

1905
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 5: we have against Laron Murphy was competitive, but like, I mean,

1906
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 5: how competitive is this seemingly five tool player melch is

1907
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,799
Speaker 5: Iel Costa to be a featherweight?

1908
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 3: He's coming along.

1909
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 9: Obviously Dan Neiguane ever been stopped before with strikes and

1910
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 9: so that's a giant feather in his cap. The unique

1911
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 9: look always helps, like you're always gonna know who is

1912
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 9: right when he fights, You're like, who is that? Like

1913
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 9: I know who that guy is for sure. I would

1914
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 9: just I just saw like literally right before we came on,

1915
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 9: just a cool little like he threw a teep and

1916
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 9: then shifted to south paw and then caught eg coming in.

1917
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 9: Like all those little tiny details that you that he

1918
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 9: didn't have five fights a go, you're starting.

1919
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: To see it, right.

1920
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 9: You haven't seen a giant singular element of his game

1921
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 9: like maybe he couldn't wrestle and now he can or

1922
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 9: something like that. It's just you just see a hundred

1923
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Speaker 9: little situational fighting elements that he's comfortable in.

1924
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Speaker 3: And can you remember in.

1925
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Speaker 9: Avocado Ruben Fox a decade ago? We're talking about like

1926
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 9: the evolution of MMA. Isn't the best striker, best wrestler,

1927
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Speaker 9: best jiu jitsu guy. It's the best MMA guy, not

1928
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Speaker 9: the guy that wins at wrestling practice. But instead of

1929
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Speaker 9: make it all flow together, and that's what we're seeing

1930
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Speaker 9: out of him, not one giant element change, it's just

1931
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Speaker 9: all the great areas of MMA he has an answer

1932
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Speaker 9: to and it's really impressive.

1933
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Speaker 5: You're always impressive at r J Clifford MMA.

1934
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Speaker 3: We appreciate it coming here for the compliments.

1935
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Speaker 5: Thanky, Thank you buddy. What's your next UFC assignment?

1936
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Speaker 9: I'll be headed to Mexico City here on Thursday and

1937
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 9: see Brendan Marana front of his hometown again.

1938
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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you can go to the pharmacy for me.

1939
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 5: We'll talk offline. Thank you, r J as If, Thank

1940
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 5: you buddy.

1941
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

1942
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 5: J Clifford with us live on the Anakin Florian Podcast.

1943
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Speaker 5: He will be an increasing presence on the show here

1944
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six and hopefully be on look at

1945
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 5: this guy. What an absolute start of making this guy is.

1946
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? I don't think he can hear me,

1947
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 5: but he looks the part. Cody. Maybe you can take

1948
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 5: care here. You guys hear me, we can hear you,

1949
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 5: I can't hear you. Yeah, all right, we'll fix it.

1950
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 5: That's okay, we'll fix it. John Paula Bosnaani about to

1951
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 5: join us live after a successful UFC debut. I went

1952
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 5: and looked at the scorecards and yeah, I really thought

1953
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 5: he won that fight. At least one judge gave him

1954
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 5: around of one, two and three, but he had to

1955
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 5: emerge by a split decisions. So that was what I

1956
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 5: was going to lead with. I'm just curious about that,

1957
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 5: and I have to get a few minutes to talk

1958
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 5: about Carlos Leal later, also time permitting. I'm telling you,

1959
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 5: this is a fight night that had more headlines than

1960
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 5: any other. Josiah Harrell right, knowing the history Kenny with

1961
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 5: the brain surgery and then to see him get knocked

1962
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 5: out like that and see there's a lot JPL. Can

1963
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 5: you hear me, brother, I hear yes. Great to see you,

1964
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 5: Jocher after a win in his UFC debut. John Paul

1965
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 5: labos Naani Mufassa as he's known across Formosa Beach, California

1966
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 5: and Las Vegas. Congratulations on the win, man. We appreciate

1967
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 5: a few minutes. How you doing.

1968
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Speaker 7: I'm doing good, feeling good and happy to be here

1969
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 7: with you guys.

1970
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Speaker 5: So, Kenny spent a lot of time in southern California,

1971
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:51,520
Speaker 5: so your name had crossed his wake prior, right, Kenny.

1972
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely been hearing about you for a long time. Man,

1973
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 4: I know you know the history of your dad and

1974
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 4: being the striking coach for Hoys Gracie and all that

1975
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 4: great history. Man, being a kid that young, you know,

1976
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 4: being around all that, all those great martial artists. What's

1977
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 4: the thing that you probably picked up? I guess that

1978
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 4: what was the biggest lesson that you picked up from

1979
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 4: being around guys like Hoys Gracy?

1980
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 11: I think being around guys like Hoys. Honestly, seeing Hoys

1981
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 11: growing up, he he was like viewed very differently than

1982
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 11: he is now, you know, because I feel like in

1983
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 11: martial arts, like you become kind of like old news

1984
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 11: very very fast. So when Hoys was like at his prime,

1985
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 11: I was like a little kid, and you know, being

1986
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 11: able to see him and my dad work together was

1987
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 11: was really cool, you know, especially when the sport was

1988
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 11: like first starting out and compared to what it's like now,

1989
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 11: it was very interesting. But I've I've been a part

1990
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 11: of a lot of high level guys camps in the past,

1991
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 11: and Brian Ortega being one of them, and I think

1992
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 11: the biggest takeaway from being a part of camps like

1993
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 11: this is trying to learn from their mistakes and not

1994
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 11: making the same mistakes when it comes to you know,

1995
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 11: the team dynamic, the preparation and stuff like that. So,

1996
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 11: you know, I feel like I'm in a really good

1997
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 11: spot with the crew that I have now.

1998
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 5: John Paula Bosniani live with us here on the Atnak

1999
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 5: and Florian podcast. So congrats on the win. Man. Certainly

2000
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 5: from our vantage point, we didn't think that it was

2001
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 5: going to be a split decision. I know, if you

2002
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 5: look at the scorecards, you can find at least one

2003
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 5: judge that gave you round one, round two, and round three.

2004
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 5: But I thought it was productive. I mean, what were

2005
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 5: your overall thoughts, having I assume watched it back at

2006
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 5: this point in time, on what you did well and

2007
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 5: what maybe could have gotten a little bit better for

2008
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 5: you in the debut.

2009
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I completely agree.

2010
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 11: I think a split decision is crazy, And in the fight,

2011
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 11: I felt like I was, you know, putting a pressure,

2012
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 11: always going for the finish the entire fight, and it

2013
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 11: felt like Phil was just kind of waiting till the

2014
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 11: last fifteen seconds of every round, kind of stealed around in.

2015
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Speaker 7: Some sort of way.

2016
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Speaker 11: But I feel like I did a good job of

2017
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 11: mixing it up and making it you know, MNA striking,

2018
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 11: taking them down, trying to build for submissions, just doing

2019
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 11: everything I possibly could to look for the kill. And

2020
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 11: looking back on it, I almost kind of forced it

2021
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 11: a little bit too much on the ground. I feel

2022
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 11: like if I just kind of took my time a

2023
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 11: little bit more, you know, there might have been an

2024
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 11: opportunity there to snatch his neck or or you know,

2025
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 11: find a finish in a submission of some sort.

2026
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 5: So so you had been at this pursuit to become

2027
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 5: not just an MMA fighter but a UFC fighter since

2028
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 5: you were three years old, and with all respect to

2029
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 5: your fairly legendary father, no, no, I'm not sure that

2030
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 5: any athlete had as much paternal pressure as you did

2031
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 5: to get to the UFC. I can't imagine how I

2032
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 5: might have crumbled underneath that. You go to Dana White's

2033
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 5: Contender Series, the Ultimate pressure packed proving Ground, knowing that

2034
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 5: maybe if you don't win that fight, you're not going

2035
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 5: to the UFC. So now you did it, and I

2036
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 5: know you have championship aspirations, but I guess I don't

2037
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 5: even have a question. As much as I want to

2038
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 5: congratulate you on checking a box that you had a

2039
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 5: lot of pressure to fucking check.

2040
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you so much, And I definitely did.

2041
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 11: You know, I felt like there's a lot of people

2042
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 11: who want to see me succeed and very few that

2043
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 11: want to see me lose.

2044
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 7: But you know, those very few add a lot of

2045
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 7: motivation to me.

2046
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 11: And you know, getting the contract on Danta White Contender

2047
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 11: Series and now getting the win in the UFC is

2048
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,480
Speaker 11: it's the best feeling in the world.

2049
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 5: You know.

2050
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 11: And it's and now finally, now I feel like the

2051
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 11: pressure's off that I've won in the UFC, and I

2052
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 11: feel like now I can just be free to to

2053
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 11: just let it fly and do whatever I want in there.

2054
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 4: What do you do mentally, man to deal with that

2055
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 4: kind of pressure, Like, what do you tell yourself and

2056
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 4: is there a specific training kind of regiment that you

2057
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 4: do to kind of deal with that.

2058
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I've I've been quite an overthinker most of

2059
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 11: my career. You know I've done I've worked with mental coaches,

2060
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 11: I've you know, read the self help books and stuff

2061
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 11: like that, And where I'm at now is honestly, just

2062
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 11: don't take myself too seriously. I don't take fighting too seriously,

2063
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 11: and I just try to stay present, you know, no

2064
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 11: matter what.

2065
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 7: If I feel those fight nerves or.

2066
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 11: Any sort of pressure, I just remind myself that, you know,

2067
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 11: in this very moment, I'm not fighting right now, So

2068
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,879
Speaker 11: why am I going to put this pressure on myself?

2069
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 11: And at the end of the day, you know, how

2070
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 11: it ends up working out. Is I end up being

2071
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 11: in the back, I end up walking out, end up

2072
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 11: being in the cage, and those nerves never really hit

2073
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 11: and that that happened this last weekend. I just ended

2074
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 11: up enjoying every little bit of it. So it's kind

2075
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 11: of how I look at it.

2076
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 5: John Paula Bosnati with us Live on the Ataki flor

2077
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 5: and Podcas has five and zero now since moving up

2078
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 5: from lightweight to welterweight, and you do consider yourself a

2079
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 5: true welterweight. You cut twenty plus pounds, right, So I

2080
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 5: wonder in terms of the mentality to make the walk

2081
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 5: maybe an extra time a year. I mean, are you

2082
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 5: able to compete a little bit more frequently as a

2083
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 5: welterweight And ultimately, what do you think would be the

2084
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 5: landscape for twenty twenty six as to have soon and

2085
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 5: how often we might see it from here?

2086
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2087
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I definitely want to stay as active as possible.

2088
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 11: I think me fighting at welterweight and being a true

2089
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 11: welter weight and always being ready to fight is really

2090
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 11: important because you know, I think a fight is like

2091
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 11: a burglar. You never know when someone's going to break

2092
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 11: in your house and try to kill you. You've got

2093
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 11: to be ready at all times. And that's that's the

2094
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 11: way that I live my life. I'm in camp three

2095
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 11: hundred and sixty five days out of the year, and

2096
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,799
Speaker 11: you know, if there's any short notice opportunities or anything

2097
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 11: like that, you know, I always want to make sure

2098
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 11: that I'm in a good place to accept the fight

2099
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 11: on two weeks notice or less.

2100
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 7: And you know, I'm often and I can do that

2101
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 7: right now.

2102
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 5: You know, it seems like you handle pressure exceedingly well.

2103
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 5: And it ends up being Phil Rowe, right not your

2104
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 5: initial opponent, and he's the tallest welterweight on the roster,

2105
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 5: right and and almost like you know some people, right,

2106
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 5: I think Jocko Willink would say, good, you know good,

2107
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 5: give me this challenge, right, I'd be like, come on.

2108
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 7: You guys, see that.

2109
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: There it is.

2110
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 5: How about that good?

2111
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 7: Good?

2112
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 5: That's awesome? So there it is?

2113
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 2: Right?

2114
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 5: But when when it was Phil Row, I mean, that's

2115
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 5: a different challenge in many ways than you're going to

2116
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 5: ever see the rest of your UFC Weltsway career in

2117
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 5: terms of the size and that uniqueness of of it, right,

2118
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 5: I mean.

2119
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, you know I feel like it's let's rip

2120
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 11: the band aid off.

2121
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 7: You know, they're gonna throw me to the sharks.

2122
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 11: You know, I've been training my whole life, so I

2123
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 11: better be able to swim. And I think Phil Rowe

2124
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 11: is the perfect opportunity for me to fight somebody that

2125
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 11: is not easy to put away, not easy to beat,

2126
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 11: and has a lot more experience than me in the UFC.

2127
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 7: And I think going forward, you know, I have.

2128
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 11: A lot more confidence and knowing you know, I can

2129
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 11: hang with you know, some of the tough skies in

2130
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 11: the division, and I feel like walking away with a

2131
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 11: win the way that I did, there's still a little

2132
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 11: bit of feeling of It's not like getting a finish,

2133
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 11: you know, I do not like winning by decision. Yeah,

2134
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 11: so part of me walks away with it almost like

2135
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 11: I got the win, but it feels like a loss

2136
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 11: because I didn't finish the guy. So I'm gonna learn

2137
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 11: a lot from this. And the last time I won

2138
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,719
Speaker 11: by decision, I went on a three fight finishing streak.

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Speaker 11: So I'm planning on doing the same thing in this

2140
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 11: UFC run as well.

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01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 5: Man, it just seems like you've built so many things

2142
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 5: the right way, not that there hasn't been some challenges,

2143
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 5: but twenty seven years old, just turned twenty seven. How

2144
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Speaker 5: long have you lived in Vegas?

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01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 7: I've lived in Vegas for about a year and a half.

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01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 5: Now, how's that navigation? I know, from a training standpoint,

2147
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,640
Speaker 5: it couldn't be better in the PI and you can

2148
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 5: lean on Cobra team everything else, But how is it

2149
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 5: living in Vegas?

2150
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 6: Like?

2151
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 5: Are you climbing rocks and shit?

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01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 7: Like?

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01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 5: What are you doing out there?

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01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 11: Honestly, Vegas for me is really just like a focus, yeah, destination.

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01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 6: You know.

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01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 7: I come here and I train two to three times

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01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 7: a day.

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01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 11: I go back to this little apartment with two of

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01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 11: my roommates and go to sleep, and the process sort

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01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 11: of repeats itself. But I do drive back to California

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01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 11: almost every single weekend just to be in Hermosa, just

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01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 11: to go to the beach and kind of take my

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01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 11: mind off of everything. And it is quite a sacrifice

2164
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 11: and it's not easy, but it's it really balances me out.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 7: I have the yinni yang of going.

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01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 11: Really hard here for five days out of the week

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01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 11: and then kind of mellowing it out for two days

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01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 11: back in Hermosa.

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Speaker 5: And knowing a god like you probably maximize that car

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01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 5: time listening to shit. That'll be productive, I'd be, yeah,

2172
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 5: But trying to find new regae songs. Well, congratulations man,

2173
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 5: we're very excited to see the ascent and everything else

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Speaker 5: and try to enjoy the fruits.

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01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 9: Man.

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01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 5: I know it's a long time coming, but congrats on

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01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 5: a huge winning the debut. And uh, do you have

2178
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 5: any idea who they're gonna give you next?

2179
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: Right?

2180
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 5: Like, I don't know how much MMA you ingest on

2181
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 5: the regular, but I would imagine like you can at

2182
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 5: least like look at a group of maybe four to

2183
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 5: six names, like any fucking clue who they might give

2184
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 5: you next.

2185
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,719
Speaker 11: Honestly, I really don't know, but I'm.

2186
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 5: About to welcome away through so many of you guys, you.

2187
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 11: Know, Yeah, I want to gain as much experience before

2188
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 11: I really start climbing, you know, and I want them

2189
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 11: to give me guys that are gonna push me and

2190
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 11: bring the best out of me while still you know,

2191
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 11: building my way into those ranked conversations and stuff like that.

2192
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 5: Well, we appreciate your time, John Paula Bosnayani, Mufasa enjoy brother,

2193
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 5: We appreciate you. We'll see you down the road. I'm

2194
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 5: sure all right.

2195
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 7: Thank you guys so much, appreciate it.

2196
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy. John Paula Bosnaani with us here live

2197
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 5: on the anaicin Florian Podcast. The story is truly unbelievable

2198
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 5: in terms of sort of the pressure that was on him,

2199
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,799
Speaker 5: you know, from his father to get to this place.

2200
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 5: And I'm just looking at some of the quotes from

2201
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 5: our fighter meeting. You know, my soul is meant for fighting,

2202
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 5: and I think you can tell that. But he also said,

2203
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 5: you know, it was brutal, like his dad was really

2204
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 5: hard on him. And if it was me and my

2205
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 5: dad's like you got to go to the UFC. I'd

2206
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 5: be like, oh man, you got the wrong dude. Man, Like,

2207
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 5: I'm not tough for you know all.

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01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, I think about that with my

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Speaker 4: own son, and I do not want him to fight

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01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,879
Speaker 4: at all. However, if he was absolutely committed to fighting,

2211
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,799
Speaker 4: then I would prepare him for fighting.

2212
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 5: And it's not.

2213
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 4: How can you have an easy lifestyle and approach if

2214
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 4: you are going to get into that game.

2215
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 5: It's brutal. So that's that's a tough one. That's an

2216
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 5: interesting one, man, But props to him. That's a lot

2217
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 5: interesting talking to a couple of young fighters right now

2218
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 5: who are about to get into sort of some of

2219
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 5: that monotony, as Jordan Levit put it, that is the

2220
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 5: next five years as they try to pursue this very

2221
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 5: difficult initiative. So I was mentioning Josiah Harrald a muscle

2222
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 5: hamster and he's a really good fighter. And he was

2223
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 5: eleven to zero just like Jacoby Smith. Yeah, it's a

2224
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 5: great nickname. Yeah, it was a joke from his high

2225
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 5: school football coach, I guess. But it's a tough thing,

2226
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 5: right because as a commentator, right, you know that he

2227
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 5: had this brain disease he had brain surgery, he's been

2228
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 5: medically cleared to fight, but then he gets brutally knocked

2229
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 5: out like this and is seizing all over the octagon,

2230
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 5: and you have to think that some executive, whether it's

2231
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 5: Dana White or somebody else, is like, man, this is

2232
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 5: hard to watch. And I'm not sure. You know, I

2233
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:45,719
Speaker 5: don't know what you have for us on that, Kenny,

2234
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 5: but that was really hard to watch him seizing like that.

2235
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 5: Just know on the history a.

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Speaker 4: Hundred percent makes it all the more difficult. And you know,

2237
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 4: this is a sport that is unforgiving and one little

2238
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 4: mistake or I mean that wasn't a mistake, he took

2239
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,919
Speaker 4: him down and then got rolled like things could change

2240
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 4: so damn quickly. And I thought he was performing really

2241
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 4: well going on the offense, doing some really cool stuff

2242
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 4: out there, and then the fight just changed in an

2243
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 4: instant and then you know, he's knocked out cold.

2244
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 5: So I hope he's able to recover from this.

2245
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 4: I think he will, But there was definitely some concern

2246
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 4: for me on you know, the aftermath of that fight.

2247
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 5: A lot of listeners could say to me that I'm

2248
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 5: not a doctor, and I'm curious, maybe what your dad

2249
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 5: would say, but this is what he wants to do,

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01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 5: and he's a really good fighter. I think he can

2251
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:36,759
Speaker 5: realize success or far easier matchups for him than Jacoby Smith.

2252
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 5: This is a kid who also accepted Jack Dela Madelena

2253
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 5: on short notice. And again, Matt Brown couldn't be a

2254
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 5: better influence and couldn't have had better things to say

2255
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 5: about him. So yeah, I guess in one breath, I

2256
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 5: would hope that he can return to health and get

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01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 5: another shot. But yeah, it's hard to see him get

2258
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 5: knocked out so violently. I don't know if you saw

2259
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,839
Speaker 5: Carlos lay Al in the feature prelim.

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01:47:58,920 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 2: Did you see that?

2261
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 5: I did?

2262
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 4: And I know you know Carlos from fighting over in

2263
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 4: the PFL. This is one hard nosed fighter, This guy

2264
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 4: who loves to fight, loves to move forward.

2265
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 5: He's as tough as they come.

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01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: And what a fight between him and Enji Kawani. Man,

2268
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 5: that was.

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Speaker 4: That was awesome And I thought, you know Inja Kaiwani

2270
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,799
Speaker 4: fought really well, but lay All just would not stop

2271
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 4: pressing forward. Uh landed a whole lot of big shots himself,

2272
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 4: and yeah, he's he is like a promoter's dream man.

2273
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 5: He always comes to fight for sure, got absolutely hosed,

2274
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 5: if you don't know, in his UFC debut against Renad

2275
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 5: Fakardina in the PFL, and he says, Sadabu didn't even

2276
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 5: fight him, So yes, I'm buying Carlos layout merchandise. Just

2277
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 5: a look in his eyes. I mean, don't I think

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Speaker 5: I even look like the fucking guy a little bit?

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Speaker 10: Anyway, he's a good guy too, He's nice, So yeah,

2280
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 10: excuse me the way and how happy he was to

2281
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 10: get that win, knowing that when you leave it in

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Speaker 10: the judges hands, as awful a phrase as that is

2283
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Speaker 10: for some people to hear, right, you can see part

2284
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Speaker 10: of his reaction was because he got.

2285
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Speaker 5: Absolutely robbed in his UFC debut. All right, good stuff,

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Speaker 5: to Vegas in about ten days for UFC three twenty six.

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Speaker 5: Before that, it is UFC Fight Night moreno versus Kavanaugh.

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01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 5: We got three quick picks for you today. Kenny at

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01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 5: lightweight Daniels el Hooper minus five twenty. King Green is

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Speaker 5: plus three ninety man zel Hoober prohibitively favored as usual.

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Speaker 5: He's three and three in the UFC, back to back

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Speaker 5: losses to Steban Riebevicks and Michael Johnson, now facing the

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Speaker 5: twenty eight time UFC veteran King Green, Kenny, who do

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Speaker 5: you like?

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Speaker 4: I was very surprised by those odds, and you know,

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 4: maybe they're just writing off King Green because he hasn't

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01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 4: been so consistent and has had a rough patch here

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01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 4: or hit a rough patch. But zel Hooper also, I

2322
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,600
Speaker 4: gotta say, I don't know what zel Hooper is.

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01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 5: Going to show up.

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01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 4: You know he is he's been fighting more to kind

2325
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 4: of entertain than he is to win, I think, than

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01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 4: he's there to win. And I think there's some value

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01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 4: on King Green, to be honest, because Zelhuber hasn't been

2328
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 4: so reliable.

2329
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 5: But I do expect sel Huber to most likely get

2330
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 5: the win. Green coming off a split win over Lance

2331
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 5: Gibson Junior that came after the back to back losses

2332
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Speaker 5: to Mauricio Hoofi and Patty Pimblet, King Green looks to

2333
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 5: be in the best shape of his life right now.

2334
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 5: If you go on his Instagram, he is absolutely shredded.

2335
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 5: How about this fact that I dug up this morning

2336
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 5: real quick, and not that we're doing a deep dive.

2337
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 5: But five of King Green's first eight fights took place

2338
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 5: in Mexico. Wow. And back in two thousand and eight

2339
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 5: he fought and won three times in one night in

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01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 5: Mexico City to win the Warriors FC Lightweight tournament at

2341
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 5: Altitude Mexico City. He wins three times in one night

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01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 5: back in two thousand and eight. We did not cover

2343
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 5: that on MMA Love all right comin event at bantam Wait,

2344
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 5: pretty big price here as well, Kenny. I like to

2345
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 5: fight David Martinez minus two to fifty eight Marlon Chido Vera

2346
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 5: plus two tens. Awesome fight.

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01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 4: I think you know this is gonna be a difficult

2348
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 4: fight for Cheeto, though. Why Because Martinez is so damn fast.

2349
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 4: His ability to get in and out the variety of

2350
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 4: his strikes, but I think his speed is going to

2351
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 4: post some problems for Cheeto. I think Cheeto's best bet

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01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 4: is to try to turn into a grappler and put

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01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 4: Martinez on his back. If he can do that, I

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01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 4: don't think he has the wrestling to be able to

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01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 4: do that.

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01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 5: So I'm going Martinez here. Chiato's lost three straight four

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01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 5: or five, last loss that split to Aiman as a hobby,

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01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 5: Martinez number ten and the band of weight rankings right

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01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 5: now thirteen and one, two and oh Thus far in

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01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 5: the UFC had the win over Rob Font last September.

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01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 5: Ohr may event at flyweight interesting price here, and I'll

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01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:43,679
Speaker 5: leave the adjective at interesting. Brandon Moreno minus two twenty

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01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 5: five Lonnie Kavanaugh plus one eighty five, Kavanaugh stepping in

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01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:50,799
Speaker 5: for an injured asu Amabayev who hurt his hand. Kavanaugh's

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01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 5: nine and one coming off his first pro loss, though

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01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 5: a knockout to Charles Johnson last August. Kenny Moreno, you're

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01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 5: good friend, the former two time champion, about two to

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01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 5: one this weekend. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Moreno, if he's able to be sharp with

2370
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 4: that job, keep Kavanaugh on the outside into grate, you know,

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01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 4: the full mixed Marshal art, his full mixed martial Arts arsenal.

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01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 4: I think he wins this fight. However, Kavanaugh is extremely dangerous.

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01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 4: I think this guy is an absolute dynamo when he's

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01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,799
Speaker 4: on his game. When it comes to his striking extremely fast,

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01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 4: you know, very athletic. So Moreno really needs to mind

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01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 4: his p's and cues here. So for him, though, he's

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01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 4: got to employ his full arsenal, keep mixing it up

2378
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 4: against Kavanaugh, keep him guessing, and if he does that,

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01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 4: I expect Morena to win.

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01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 5: So I'm going the way of Moreno. Very interesting fight.

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01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 5: Ken Flow is particularly high on Cavanaugh. He is a

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01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 5: little bit attached to Brandon Moreno on a personal level

2383
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 5: as well. It's a fascinating fight because I sit here

2384
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 5: and submit to you that when Tatsuro Tyra and Joshua

2385
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 5: Van fight in Miami for the Flyway title, the Tyra

2386
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 5: will close as the betting favorite and has a great

2387
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 5: chance to become the flyweight champion of the world. Could

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01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 5: be wrong, but we've never seen Brandon Moreno beaten quite

2389
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 5: like he was stopped by totsw retire in December.

2390
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 4: And these the fights where you really have to be careful,

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01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 4: you know, when you've been around the game for a

2392
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 4: long time and you have this guy who's just getting

2393
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 4: into the UFC, you do not want to let your

2394
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 4: guard down.

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01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 5: So gonna be interesting, all right, place your bets brought

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01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 5: to you by John Anni dot com, where you can

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01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 5: we quickly update the results from last week, Ian Parker.

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01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 5: Where's my sheet? Ian Parker three team parlay included Fluffy

2401
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 5: Hernandez that was a loss. He had a straight wager

2402
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 5: on Ante Delhia lost two hundred. There did hit a

2403
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 5: straight wager on Michelle Paeda he escapes by over Zachary

2404
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 5: Reese and also a straight wager on Cheety Bang Bang

2405
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 5: and Jia Kawani was a loss. So total for the

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01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 5: week for Parker minus six sixty four eighty six. It's

2407
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 5: all in front of my fat face if I look

2408
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 5: up here to date for Ian is minus six ninety

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01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 5: four to sixty six and for Kenny Florian just had

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01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 5: the one thousand dollars straight wager go by the board.

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01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 5: So I want to recount. I want to recount on

2412
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 5: that judge of scorecard, John, Yeah, I mean it certainly

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01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 5: could have gone either way. Yeah, gone either way. When

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01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 5: you do think back to the end of the year, though,

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01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 5: these are some of the fights that could swing the pendulum.

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01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 5: So Ian Parker's wager this weekend, I will start with

2417
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 5: that one thousand dollars parlay on Daniel zell Huber, David Martinez,

2418
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 5: and Brandon Moreno. Is that the chalkiest fucking selection in

2419
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 5: the history of the Anakin Florian podcast?

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01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:34,520
Speaker 7: Right?

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01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 2: Like?

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01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 5: I mean, was that just to get me off his

2423
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 5: back with the plus one thirty seven? Get out your

2424
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 5: sidewalk shock, there's your favorites parlay for me and Kenny.

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01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 5: You got one thousand dollars. If you're going in the

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01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 5: same direction, I apologize, but yeah, I say you, I.

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01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 4: Was gonna say I probably shouldn't be laughing so hard.

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01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep it simple as well. I'm gonna go

2429
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 4: with one thousand dolls. Martinez. I think he's oh no,

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01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 4: I mean, that's post some problems for you, but it

2431
01:55:58,880 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 4: should be a good one.

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01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, one thousand dollars on David the Doctor Martinez. All right,

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01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 5: we got to get on out of here. Thank you

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01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,879
Speaker 5: to Jordan Levitt, John Paul Labos, Naani, Ray Longo, R. J. Clifford,

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01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 5: Thanks to Nathan Bronson, Cody Marrow, everybody at all the smoke.

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01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 5: We are right back with you earlier than usual, though,

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01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 5: I will be in Las Vegas next Monday. We're gonna

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01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 5: be live at ten thirty am Eastern and we will

2439
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 5: preview UFC three twenty six Holloway versus OLIVERA two. We'll

2440
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:29,879
Speaker 5: also see how it went between mister Cavanaugh and Moreno

2441
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 5: in Mexico City this weekend. Thanks everybody for watching. Don't forget.

2442
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 5: Best way to support the show not to buy merchandise,

2443
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,560
Speaker 5: just to subscribe to the Anaiciploring podcast YouTube channel as

2444
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 5: well as all the smoke fight. We appreciate that. We

2445
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 5: will talk to you next Monday. Until then, for kem fum,

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01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 5: John Annak, You're fucking later.

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Speaker 2: Eight