Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Mick Shots on this beautiful
Speaker 1: Thursday morning. We've got a lot of great stuff coming
Speaker 1: your way. I'm Danny Siak alongside two of the Cowboys greats,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls. Now we are doing this virtually.
Speaker 1: We're following the social distancing rules making sure everyone is safe.
Speaker 1: So I gotta check in with you guys during this quarantine.
Speaker 1: How have you guys been holding up so far? Well?
Speaker 1: I think pretty well, you know, being able to work
Speaker 1: at home and do basically everything we would do in
Speaker 1: the office. The only downside is is we don't bump
Speaker 1: into anybody to talk to, uh to get some information
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for this draft. But other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still doing our podcasts and uh still
Speaker 1: uh feeding the monster Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So still
Speaker 1: writing and uh yeah, kind of staying busy, although uh
Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to talk too many people.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been doing okay here on this end.
Speaker 1: I'm working out a lot. Oh my god, spags you
Speaker 1: and I. We're gonna have a little contest when it's
Speaker 1: all setting up. Well, we'll have to tour to North Texas, right,
Speaker 1: we right, we might have. We're gonna we're gonna start
Speaker 1: out with an ab contest. I want to see what
Speaker 1: your abs. Oh gosh, yeah, I would love to see that.
Speaker 1: Who could do more crunches? Oh my gosh, I'm not
Speaker 1: come back looking like us dog buffed up a little
Speaker 1: uh wowa something coming up there. You scared me, Bro.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're getting the shah. I don't think so. Right.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I rode my bike out into the country and
Speaker 1: I went down some roads that I'd never been on before,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know where I'm at
Speaker 1: right now, and I don't know if I've gone too
Speaker 1: far to get back in one piece. So but it
Speaker 1: all worked out and ended up being a huge circuit.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing you guys out this way, this part
Speaker 1: of North Texas or North Texas here. Uh, the amount
Speaker 1: of a country that's out here, the amount of horse
Speaker 1: fires and the mansions that are out here. I just
Speaker 1: want to know what these people do for a living.
Speaker 1: They're steal these bags, they steal, that's how they got it.
Speaker 1: They stole the minor I've seen. I've seen more equestrians centers,
Speaker 1: and I ever knew that. I knew there was one
Speaker 1: or two out here, but there must be six or seven.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. But it's great to be out on those
Speaker 1: country roads. No one's bothered you, and I'm within I'm
Speaker 1: not within six feet of anybody. I'll guarantee you. There
Speaker 1: you go, you're following the rules. I love that making
Speaker 1: back out there with nature. But I know you've been
Speaker 1: watching some TV two even watching some of those old
Speaker 1: games that have been reairing. Yeah. I actually yesterday it
Speaker 1: was the first time I see I got to go
Speaker 1: to the National Championship game, the LSU Clemson game, so
Speaker 1: I never saw the game on television. I never heard
Speaker 1: the commentary, and so yesterday it was on and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: let me watching it. I think I watched the majority
Speaker 1: of the second half, and the one thing I was
Speaker 1: surprised about in the third quarter. And remember and Everson,
Speaker 1: you jump in on here, but Clemson had a pretty
Speaker 1: good defense, and in that third quarter they were starting
Speaker 1: to give LSU a little problems and Burrow wasn't completing
Speaker 1: every pass right, And I heard the guys say, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Joe looks like he might be ill.
Speaker 1: He's I don't know if he's heard. He's not playing well,
Speaker 1: he might be sick. And I'm sitting there watching this,
Speaker 1: and as the game continued, I said, the only sick
Speaker 1: thing about it were the dimes he was dropping on
Speaker 1: his receivers. It was ridiculous, some of those touchdown passes. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of looking at that whole game, Spags.
Speaker 1: You look did the entire game. That was some amazing football.
Speaker 1: You had two great quarterbacks and once again we talked
Speaker 1: about the wide receivers, the studs that they had in
Speaker 1: their game on both sides. That was something that was
Speaker 1: very impressive. That was one of the more talent ritten
Speaker 1: exciting playoff games I think I've ever seen in college football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were. They were starting to give Lawrence the
Speaker 1: clums and quarterback a hard time, and I'm going, yeah,
Speaker 1: the reason he's having a hard time is that the
Speaker 1: LSU front is getting after him. He didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time in the pocket, so it was kind
Speaker 1: of good to go back and watch that. And then Danny.
Speaker 1: The other thing I watched, and it was on last
Speaker 1: Saturday they showed. It was a replay of all the
Speaker 1: Peyton's places, the half hour shows that they were showing me,
Speaker 1: and I had never seen one of them because they
Speaker 1: were on ESPN Plus and I don't have it. So
Speaker 1: they were broadcasting these on ESPN, and I started watching
Speaker 1: one or two or three, and then I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know how many of there are,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to record the whole series. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of I binge watched like half of them.
Speaker 1: What did you learn, spags? Tell me what you learn? Well,
Speaker 1: here's the one I did learn, and it was about
Speaker 1: the the Lombardi Trophy because I had forgotten that. You know,
Speaker 1: once they came up with the trophy in those first
Speaker 1: years of the Super Bowls, it wasn't called the Lombardi Trophy, right,
Speaker 1: It was called something like the Professional World Professional Football Championship,
Speaker 1: and they inscribed that on the trophy, and it was
Speaker 1: a traveling trophy. It was like the Stanley Cup, so
Speaker 1: the winner got to keep it for a year with
Speaker 1: the team's name on it. And then in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 1: when they decided after Vince Lombardi passed away after his
Speaker 1: one year coaching the Redskins, they decided to name the
Speaker 1: trophy the Lombardi Trophy. So the first year of the
Speaker 1: Lombardi Trophy was actually nineteen seventy and it dawned on me.
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, I said, oh, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to win the first Lombardi Trophy since
Speaker 1: they were in Super Bowl five. They ended up losing
Speaker 1: to Baltimore sixteen to thirteen, and they could have and
Speaker 1: that's when they finally gave the trophy away. So they
Speaker 1: had made a new one every year. And the funny thing,
Speaker 1: and this is certainly what I didn't know for sure,
Speaker 1: and Everson you'll remember this. And uh, like midnight in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, the Baltimore Colts left Baltimore for Indianapolis, right, uh,
Speaker 1: and no one knew they were leaving. They just kind
Speaker 1: of took off. And yeah, that was way before social media.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get away with that. Now, there's no way
Speaker 1: they could get away with that. Which, by the way,
Speaker 1: all you. All you would call was uh, Mayflower trucks
Speaker 1: being moved and packed up. That's all that they showed
Speaker 1: that in the dead of night. They snuck out in
Speaker 1: the dead of night. That was one of the more
Speaker 1: classless moves I think by any organization until Model came
Speaker 1: and reversed it with to Baltimore from Cleveland. So do
Speaker 1: you remember that happening? Like, were you shocked when you
Speaker 1: heard a team that you probably could play moved to Indianapolis?
Speaker 1: That that was a low blow. I was shocked at
Speaker 1: the entire sports world was shot because they just couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that a team would would first of all, be
Speaker 1: able to do it under my under cover of darkness,
Speaker 1: which it just seemed like such a sneaky way. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine if a brother had to pay his bills
Speaker 1: and he just leaves his apartment right not paying his bills.
Speaker 1: Come on, they'd be looking for They'd be looking for
Speaker 1: him all over. Or what if the Chargers just decided, Okay, tonight,
Speaker 1: we're leaving San Diego for La which I will yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know daddy. And the funny thing was is
Speaker 1: so they were awarded the Lombardi Trophy. Uh and in
Speaker 1: their agreement with the city. When they left, they left
Speaker 1: the they decided the city of Baltimore said, no, that
Speaker 1: trophies ours, it's nut yours. And so they left the
Speaker 1: trophy behind. Oh my gosh. And when I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: tell me, that's Cleveland going to Baltimore. That's the same
Speaker 1: things that I think, right, it's right. They left the
Speaker 1: records behind, right, and so Cleveland would not let them
Speaker 1: take anything. When Payton was trying to do the story
Speaker 1: on the trophy, UH, they basically showed said, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: show you where we're keeping the trophy. And it was
Speaker 1: in the basement of the Babe Ruth Base. You'll have
Speaker 1: the trophy. Yes, it's still base, not on display. It's
Speaker 1: down in a basement, just sitting on a table. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that's a waste. This is too good.
Speaker 1: So those were some of the things I think I learned.
Speaker 1: And now here's the other one. And I don't know
Speaker 1: ever soon if you'll remember this, but that year when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl, uh, they ended
Speaker 1: up with a two game losing streak kind of mid
Speaker 1: season uh. And in the big showdown against the Saint
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals, who were in first place at the time. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the Cotton Bowl get wiped out thirty
Speaker 1: eight to nothing. They turned the ball over six times.
Speaker 1: And now after nine games, they're sitting there five and four,
Speaker 1: and everybody is given the team grief right there under fire.
Speaker 1: This is a team that was supposed to be really
Speaker 1: good and they're sitting there at five and four, and
Speaker 1: Tom Landry goes, well, the only way we're going to
Speaker 1: get in the playoffs if we win the last five
Speaker 1: games in a row. And they won the last five games,
Speaker 1: finished ten and four and in the first round of
Speaker 1: the playoffs beat Detroit just pummeled him five to nothing.
Speaker 1: That they win. Then they win the NFC Championship game
Speaker 1: seventeen to ten over samfra Tom Tom Landry called that
Speaker 1: Detroit game the most dominating defensive effort he's ever seen
Speaker 1: by a doomsday defense. Yeah, and that's what's at their height, right,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of uh they were had You had
Speaker 1: meyl Winfeld back there doing his thing, doing his d
Speaker 1: Sanders thing. You had Cornell Green playing both safety and
Speaker 1: corner at that time. I think he got I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if he got all Pro at safety that year
Speaker 1: or if he got All Pro at cornerback that year,
Speaker 1: but that he was such a diverse player for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's when you had the versatility, you had the talent,
Speaker 1: and you had the scheme all in one. That was
Speaker 1: a perfect storm for the Dallas Cowboys defense at that time.
Speaker 1: That's when that's really when doomsday became alive. Right, and
Speaker 1: then you know they go to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: they basically hold Baltimore to sixteen points and they get
Speaker 1: beat sixteen thirteen, but giving him sixteen thank you. Yes,
Speaker 1: So when you had the John Mackie, the John mcke
Speaker 1: double double tap U double tips, so to speak, you
Speaker 1: couldn't you couldn't. You couldn't tip the ball to a
Speaker 1: to your own player, right right? And how wentz bags? Yes,
Speaker 1: so they tipped the ball John mckincardon went seventy plus yards,
Speaker 1: Charlie Waters, Cliff Haris going crazy out on the field.
Speaker 1: But they didn't take it back. No, we play at
Speaker 1: that time, of course, so the mistake is mistake. It stood.
Speaker 1: So that's how close to Cowboys came to winning the
Speaker 1: first Lombardi Trophy. And then we know what happened after that.
Speaker 1: They went back to the Super Bowl the next year
Speaker 1: and won the first chapel. But I'll tell you with me,
Speaker 1: I've I've been so bored around here. So I decided
Speaker 1: to stroke my ego one day. Danny Oh, nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one was you know, that's the my rookie year. I
Speaker 1: get eleven picks. No one's got the eleven interceptions since
Speaker 1: that year. That's a long time ago. So I go
Speaker 1: back and I think I'm gonna give my my ego stroke.
Speaker 1: And all I see was all the times I was
Speaker 1: getting toasted. Right every time I looked up, I like,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that play. Oh my god, I got
Speaker 1: about that touchdown. Wow, I forgot I gave up those
Speaker 1: many yards in that particular game. So at first, you know,
Speaker 1: I started trying to fast forward to my interceptions. That
Speaker 1: took too long, and so I started calling people. I
Speaker 1: just started calling the guys that were toasting me. So
Speaker 1: I called her call Michael, and I cursed him out.
Speaker 1: I called boy Green, I called him an old goat.
Speaker 1: And I didn't mean that in a in a complimentary way.
Speaker 1: I was just calling everybody that I called everybody that
Speaker 1: beat me. It was so I got caught up with
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. We had some good conversations. That's
Speaker 1: after I ended up, After I cursed him out, I
Speaker 1: ended up. We had ended up having great conversations, having
Speaker 1: a good time. But that's what I've been doing, going
Speaker 1: back on YouTube, watching old Cowboy games and reliving those moments,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's it's good, of course, just
Speaker 1: to see those those old memories. But man, you look
Speaker 1: at the guys that are not here, and that kind
Speaker 1: of really took me, took me back a little bit
Speaker 1: as far as the guys that are gone now and
Speaker 1: the guys that are you know, that are kind of
Speaker 1: sick right now. And it's just so amazing when you
Speaker 1: look at the history of the Cowboys and and just
Speaker 1: my own brief history here in Dallas. Uh, And you
Speaker 1: look at your teammates that you you had that bond with,
Speaker 1: You look at your folds that you actually had relationships
Speaker 1: with his well post career, and uh, it really made
Speaker 1: me kind of connect a lot with the people that
Speaker 1: that I had played with and played again. I called
Speaker 1: Tony Hill, Who else did I call? I called Billy
Speaker 1: Joe Dupree. I was just calling everybody, and you know,
Speaker 1: just having a good time just making some calls. So
Speaker 1: that's my that's been my connection through this entire coronavirus.
Speaker 1: Then you should you should have given Tony Dorsetta call.
Speaker 1: It was his birthday on Tuesday. You're right, You're so right.
Speaker 1: I should have give him a call. Found these things
Speaker 1: that are forty years old, and you found us? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you on YouTube and find anything. My shame is.
Speaker 1: My shame is on YouTube, up and down the line.
Speaker 1: That's good, well, mickey, UM, I have some homework for
Speaker 1: you for next week for the Paynes places. You need
Speaker 1: to go watch the Emmett Smith one. I did the
Speaker 1: one that they did with Emmett far Vron, Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 1: Was it that one? Um? I can't remember if it
Speaker 1: was all three of them. I remember watching it like
Speaker 1: on social media when it they put it out a
Speaker 1: couple months ago. But he has the storage unit and
Speaker 1: it's gone. I saw that football You did see that one? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like that right? And that's and Peyton ever said
Speaker 1: Peyton Nascomb. He goes, so is there something in here
Speaker 1: I can take as a souvenir? He goes, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: But but the story is Emmett when he when he
Speaker 1: first started, he would he would keep every touchdown ball
Speaker 1: that he remember and they put it in and then
Speaker 1: his dad in Pensacola, um he uh he up. And
Speaker 1: this was at the at the advent of trading cards
Speaker 1: and so he epped en up basically a souvenir shop
Speaker 1: and they had all the balls there and Emmett would
Speaker 1: just keep storing them in boxes and had to get
Speaker 1: a storage unit because he had so many touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty cool that was That was one
Speaker 1: of the pretty cool stories. Absolutely. They also showed the
Speaker 1: one about making the football and they walked into the
Speaker 1: lady who was sewing them by hand, and she was
Speaker 1: shocked that Peyton was standing there. Yeah, it was pretty
Speaker 1: good stuff. You're exactly right. I used to I used
Speaker 1: to keep all my interceptions from my rookie year, and
Speaker 1: I found out that I would if you give them
Speaker 1: away to charity, you know, they would bid on them, right,
Speaker 1: And so pretty much I'd say nine out of the
Speaker 1: first eleven interceptions I gave away to charity, I kept
Speaker 1: for my first one. I kept my first one, and
Speaker 1: I don't know the other one I gave to my nephews.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's all to up. Did they make
Speaker 1: you pay for him? No, they did not. Eventually we
Speaker 1: pay for everything. Okay, well you pay. You did a
Speaker 1: better job than Drew did. After he cut the hill,
Speaker 1: Mary ended up throwing the ball out of the stadium
Speaker 1: and they never found the football. And get you know what,
Speaker 1: that is one of the most controversial things ever. Someone
Speaker 1: has that ball. Absolutely okay someone You would think they
Speaker 1: would come out with it, but they were so mad
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They may have gone home and thrown it
Speaker 1: into the fireplace or something, or they blew it up,
Speaker 1: deflated it or something. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, Oh my gosh, um, okay,
Speaker 1: well real quick, going back, Mackey, when you were watching
Speaker 1: that uh national you're watching that title game with LSU,
Speaker 1: there's uh you were talking about the defense and they
Speaker 1: have got some amazing defensive players going into the draft
Speaker 1: this year, and you kind of touched on that front
Speaker 1: defensive line, But there is a player in the secondary
Speaker 1: who is a really top candidate for the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: that seventeenth pick. And I'm sure Everson you have a
Speaker 1: lot to touch on talking about safety, Grant Delpit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw where Gil Brandt, Cowboys former personnel director and
Speaker 1: he's still keeping a hand in the NFL after all
Speaker 1: these years. Said that when they asked him, who do
Speaker 1: you think the best safety is in the draft, and
Speaker 1: he said Grant Delpot LSU, and yeah, he's a good one.
Speaker 1: And Everson, I understand that, you know maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit about the mister Delpot. Well, you know, I've got
Speaker 1: my connections in New Orleans. My college roommates from New Orleans,
Speaker 1: and of course that's my second family down there. And
Speaker 1: they talked about the del famed family and how prominent
Speaker 1: they are in the city. Talked about how this young
Speaker 1: kid came up even from a from an early age,
Speaker 1: he was always a stud. And when you look at
Speaker 1: how he played in the in the playoffs, I was
Speaker 1: impressed with how he challenged the receivers for Clemson. I
Speaker 1: had never seen anyone challenge receivers the way he was
Speaker 1: down the field. He took the proper angles. He was
Speaker 1: very anticipatory on every play that was coming down the pike. Now,
Speaker 1: of course they were able to Clemson was able to
Speaker 1: get some good plays down the field because they have
Speaker 1: amazing players at the wide receiver position. But when you
Speaker 1: look at his play, not only is he adept at
Speaker 1: playing the ball. He's also a very physical and aggressive
Speaker 1: defensive back. Right now, you would have to give him.
Speaker 1: I think he's the top defensive back in the draft.
Speaker 1: I thought that as soon as I saw him play,
Speaker 1: because the ball skills were evident. There was no confusion
Speaker 1: out there. He was never out of position. And of
Speaker 1: course there were times when the ball there were playing
Speaker 1: still made on him. But that's just the way it
Speaker 1: was in that particular game because you had talent all
Speaker 1: over the field, but he even stood out amongst all
Speaker 1: of that talent. And that says a lot about him
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the game. That just possessed so
Speaker 1: many great athletes in their game. Yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: look at cowboy needs, you know, and gosh, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a whole segment, right, a whole probably show because
Speaker 1: there's so many needs, right you know, in safety's one
Speaker 1: of them, cornerbacks one of them. Uh yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was awfully aggressive against the run. Now, Gill said, one
Speaker 1: of his one of his weaknesses is sometimes he doesn't
Speaker 1: tackle real well, takes bad angles. He goes, but that's teachable.
Speaker 1: You could cure that he goes. But the coverage skills
Speaker 1: and his ability just to play that same position. He
Speaker 1: considers him that the best guy there, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was awfully interesting. Well, in years past, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't used those early draft picks on safeties or cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: But you know, now we have a new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: so really anything is up for grabs, and defensive back
Speaker 1: is definitely a unit where the Cowboys are needing to
Speaker 1: add some depth. We will have more discussion though, coming
Speaker 1: up about the draft and some of the players and
Speaker 1: things that are going on. And we've actually got a
Speaker 1: really great interview behind the scenes look at one of
Speaker 1: the virtual interviews the Cowboys are having to conduct now
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Speaker 1: virtually the Cowboys and all the other NFL teams are
Speaker 1: having to start conducting everything moving forward virtually. They no
Speaker 1: longer we're able to have pro days, They're not able
Speaker 1: to bring in players for official visits, so they're having
Speaker 1: to do all those behind the scenes and Mickey, it's
Speaker 1: been pretty cool seeing the way that at least the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been conducting these We've seen some of them
Speaker 1: go on the Dallas Cowboys social media this past week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are it's it's pretty neat, you know. I
Speaker 1: was wondering how this stuff was gonna work. Well. The
Speaker 1: ones that we've been able to see basically has Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones sitting on a couch in one of his rooms
Speaker 1: at his house and he's got a huge video screen
Speaker 1: up on the wall and basically they're doing what we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. Everybody, uh that's involved in the interview
Speaker 1: has a little box up there and Danny, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll remember this, but it looks like Hollywood Squares, right,
Speaker 1: the old TV show with everybody in a boat. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how you know, Mickey, I've
Speaker 1: watched those vintage shows, all right, very good. We got
Speaker 1: old school. Yeah, she had the game show Network right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So they got Jerry, and they're showing the screen and
Speaker 1: they've got uh, Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator. McCarthy's up there,
Speaker 1: Harris the dB coach, Will McClay. So there was like
Speaker 1: six or seven people involved in it, and the one
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me was they were doing the
Speaker 1: interview with Oklahoma linebacker Kenneth Murray, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: when I watched Oklahoma games and I saw this number eight,
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't know who he is, but
Speaker 1: I want number eight on my football. He is a linebacker, right,
Speaker 1: and he's awfully good. So they conducted an interview with
Speaker 1: him on there, and it was one of the more
Speaker 1: amazing answers that I've heard a football player give to
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones question. And I thought it would be great
Speaker 1: if we just played it for you guys, because just
Speaker 1: to try to summarize it, I don't think I could
Speaker 1: do it justice. So let's hear Jerry Jones along with
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray. Let me ask one that I ask it
Speaker 1: quickly this play. If you can come up with a setback,
Speaker 1: if you can come up with where you had to
Speaker 1: really call yourself at any time in your life when
Speaker 1: you were young, you were kicked around or what do
Speaker 1: you think gave you a lot of the the setbacks
Speaker 1: or the controversy or the challenge that might have helped
Speaker 1: you be a football player? You are well, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: situation of them that that I would that I like
Speaker 1: to talk about it that's made me who I am
Speaker 1: on the field and off the field. You know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's more so a setback. I say it's
Speaker 1: more so a blessing. I mean, you know, if you
Speaker 1: look at it the way I am, from the way
Speaker 1: you know my family has, it is a blessing. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I learned, you know, how to
Speaker 1: be selfless an extremely extremely young age. What true gratitude
Speaker 1: is the extreame me engaged because of what I went
Speaker 1: through and so um, you know when when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, Um, my mom and my dad, you know,
Speaker 1: they they they they did some things that that were
Speaker 1: true acts of selfless, self selflessness and so UM, around
Speaker 1: the edge of eleven, my parents adopted three special needs
Speaker 1: kids and UM, you know, it's kind of a unique
Speaker 1: situation for us because you know, the disease that they
Speaker 1: had was was was extremely extremely rare. Um. Only one
Speaker 1: of the set of children had it in the world. UM.
Speaker 1: And so that that pushed my parents into you know,
Speaker 1: one to twenty five thirty doctors suppointments a week, um,
Speaker 1: just to you know, be able to get the kids
Speaker 1: to the proper help that they need to get them um.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, started and get them the help
Speaker 1: that they needed. So you know, you know, going through
Speaker 1: all that stuff and that that that was a time
Speaker 1: where you know, my parents were leaving on me a lot,
Speaker 1: given that I was the oldest. So you know, I
Speaker 1: was the kid that you know basically you know, my
Speaker 1: parents anytime they needed anything, anytime you needed um, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, things should be done. You know, I was
Speaker 1: the oldest shot, I was just wanted everybody was looking
Speaker 1: to UM. And so you know I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it was a set back. I would say it
Speaker 1: was a blessing. Because you know, at that at that age,
Speaker 1: you know, it really really forced me to be you
Speaker 1: know what what what you guys see on the field now,
Speaker 1: which is you know the product of a of a
Speaker 1: kid that's a go getter, of a kid that that
Speaker 1: just goes out, um and just and just get it
Speaker 1: for until um And and for me, you know, I've
Speaker 1: always been a self starter. Um. You know, I've never
Speaker 1: been somebody that that that needs to be started. You know,
Speaker 1: I've always been a guy that's that's been the first
Speaker 1: thing to build it, last one out. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a direct by product of this how I came
Speaker 1: up and I had to go through as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, early on, you know I
Speaker 1: was you know, I took you on top like I
Speaker 1: raised three kids already, because you know, you just got
Speaker 1: to grow up fast. Um, you know, you know, going
Speaker 1: through that type of situation and then my parents you
Speaker 1: know basically you know, being from one lifestyle to a complete,
Speaker 1: completely other type of lifestyle. And so you know, for that,
Speaker 1: for us, you know, it was definitely a unique situation
Speaker 1: and it's definitely a situation that has mowed to me
Speaker 1: and maybe who I am today. I can't attends as strong.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. These interviews are so important because it's
Speaker 1: not just that the Cowboys want to make sure they're
Speaker 1: drafting a player who can perform well on the field,
Speaker 1: but they're also trying to get a feel for who
Speaker 1: these guys are as people off the field and get
Speaker 1: a sense of their true character. And when you hear
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray talk about his family like that and how
Speaker 1: he stepped up as a young kid, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how you don't want someone like him on your team.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That's one of the best answers
Speaker 1: I think I've I've ever heard a player give off
Speaker 1: the cuff because he didn't really have a set back
Speaker 1: to refer to. He talked about what kind of made
Speaker 1: him the person he is on the field, the leader
Speaker 1: he is. And Everson, I think when when guys are
Speaker 1: like that, you sit there and you go, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy can play, but he's also probably a pretty quality person. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Danny said it right. When you're talking about character,
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about grades in school, We talk
Speaker 1: about evaluations and for your dashes and how how you
Speaker 1: jump in all of this, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: being a good football player for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, those players have good character, They
Speaker 1: have something else that that drives them other than football.
Speaker 1: And you could just tell in Mary's case that this
Speaker 1: guy was always motivated by things other than sports. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're when you're burdened, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, with that kind of responsibility, and you
Speaker 1: come through it on the other side a better person.
Speaker 1: To me, that just says all about what Murray's all about. Uh,
Speaker 1: And lets you know that this guy is someone that
Speaker 1: you can depend on, hopefully to do things well off
Speaker 1: the field that will allow you to be a better
Speaker 1: football player on the field. And that that sounds a
Speaker 1: little cheeky, A lot of sounds a little corny, but
Speaker 1: that stuff is real. That's why you have longevity with
Speaker 1: guys like a Bob Lily or you know, we went
Speaker 1: way back, guys that played a long time with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Guys like two tall Jones. You know now you're talking
Speaker 1: about Emmitt Smith, Troy Egman. These guys had they were
Speaker 1: there were things more important to them or as important
Speaker 1: to them other than football that kept them to be
Speaker 1: good football players. You know, ever, since and you're so right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I realized, um, gosh, you know, coming
Speaker 1: out of college, basically I was around a lot of
Speaker 1: college football players, and then my first job covering some
Speaker 1: sports for a newspaper, I was close to the Atlanta
Speaker 1: area and I was able to cover some of the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons games. And the more I was around some
Speaker 1: of those professional athletes and I realized how sharp they were.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, now I understand why these guys are
Speaker 1: playing at this level. And it's not everybody, but the
Speaker 1: majority of the guys I ran into they were character guys.
Speaker 1: They could give you an answer like that, and it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's why these guys are around the league.
Speaker 1: And as I got around it more and more I
Speaker 1: kind of understood. And that's why this time of the
Speaker 1: off season getting ready for the draft is so important
Speaker 1: because what they would do, you would do this one
Speaker 1: on one in a meeting. But I always thought the
Speaker 1: interview process was as important, if not more, then watching
Speaker 1: a guy work out, because you've seen him play, you
Speaker 1: seen him on tape. But the character, I think is
Speaker 1: awfully important. There are times facts when you've got a
Speaker 1: player who you know he may not be that that
Speaker 1: a category player. He may not be that player, but
Speaker 1: he might be on that B level. So the interview itself,
Speaker 1: in that case will make all of the difference, even
Speaker 1: more so than a player like Murray, who you know
Speaker 1: is going to be a number one pick. You know,
Speaker 1: you got those guys down there, second second rounders, you know,
Speaker 1: high third rounders. Those interviews, those interviews will make all
Speaker 1: the difference in the world because that could be that
Speaker 1: that X factor that a team would say, you know what,
Speaker 1: instead of me taking this kid who's an amazing player,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have much upstairs or doesn't have much
Speaker 1: going on otherwise, I think I'm gonna move up and
Speaker 1: take a chance on this guy. And most of the
Speaker 1: time those kind of players work out. So I know
Speaker 1: you didn't get drafted. Did you get any in pre
Speaker 1: draft interviews? Heck no, I didn't. No interview was man,
Speaker 1: were you talking about? I didn't even get an interview
Speaker 1: for Winny Grown and he was from Grambling. Everybody after
Speaker 1: they saw my forty yard dads, they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: moving on. They stopped. They just made a brief stop
Speaker 1: at Alice's Diner in downtown Grambling and they kept moving on. Man,
Speaker 1: that was it? So were there were there when you
Speaker 1: got drafted? Were there seventeen rounds or was it down
Speaker 1: to twelve by then? Oh? No, still it was only twelve.
Speaker 1: It was only twelve. But they held They held six
Speaker 1: on first day, six on second day? So did how
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys contact you? Then? Well, they I think
Speaker 1: I'm mistaken. They sent uh jethroll Pew. Uh sent jet
Speaker 1: Vill Pew. No, no, it was either Jethvill Pew. It
Speaker 1: was Wooden, but I remember one of them came. And uh,
Speaker 1: they came on the first day of the draft. So
Speaker 1: we're a free agent contract, by the way, which was
Speaker 1: at the time, it was kind of off. There were
Speaker 1: still We're still on the first day of the draft
Speaker 1: and you're coming to me with a free agent contract.
Speaker 1: You can tell the future. So I was, I was done.
Speaker 1: I was done. Did you get any other offers from
Speaker 1: any other teams? Or was this? I got an offer
Speaker 1: from Buffalo at the time, and I got an offer
Speaker 1: at the time from the Aints with really the Saints,
Speaker 1: they were the Saints. But you know that's when the
Speaker 1: bad that's when the bad thing was going on. Now,
Speaker 1: a little tit bit about that, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: down on the Saints because they were just horrible at
Speaker 1: the time, and of course the Cowboys that was going
Speaker 1: to be the place I was going to be because
Speaker 1: to me, it was the devil, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew the Cowboys organization was tough to deal with,
Speaker 1: but I knew about them, and so when you're talking
Speaker 1: about going to the Saints, I was like, it's no
Speaker 1: way I'm going to that team. Well, they ended up
Speaker 1: being one of the better defenses in the history of
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties for four linebackers. I think all of
Speaker 1: them are Hall of famers, and so it just l
Speaker 1: to know that it maybe if I would have gone there,
Speaker 1: you never know what would have happened. But when you're
Speaker 1: a free agent, when you might not be on the
Speaker 1: show ever, so I sort of saying, went there, you
Speaker 1: might not be on the show if you're a free agent.
Speaker 1: Though at that time, you want to go to an
Speaker 1: organization that's going to be accountable. When you go to
Speaker 1: a one in sixteen one and fifteen Saints team, you
Speaker 1: don't expect accountability. So that's why the Cowboys were an
Speaker 1: easy choice. What was your sighting votus? Oh, it was
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. Wait, let me say let me say
Speaker 1: it differently. Let me say it differently. It was one thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. That makes it sound like it's a bigger,
Speaker 1: nuts better. Yeah, yeah, that sounds barely good. Oh my gosh. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm glad that the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: other NFL teams are still finding a way to get
Speaker 1: these interviews done, especially because of the combine. They cut
Speaker 1: the amount of interviews that the teams were able to
Speaker 1: conduct this year. So it's nice to know that they're
Speaker 1: able to still get this done to lead to that
Speaker 1: draft process. Real quick, I want to hear from you guys.
Speaker 1: This past week, Rex Ryan kind of went viral. He
Speaker 1: was definitely trending on Twitter. He had some comments to
Speaker 1: say when he was talking about how Dak Prescott hasn't
Speaker 1: been he hasn't signed a new deal, but other players,
Speaker 1: specifically Amari Cooper, got a new deal before him, so
Speaker 1: he was kind of saying he doesn't like that. However,
Speaker 1: when he was talking about how Amari Cooper didn't perform
Speaker 1: so well on the road, he ended up whiles kind
Speaker 1: of talking pretty poorly about his character which people were
Speaker 1: not a fan of. Were you guys able to hear
Speaker 1: his comments? Yeah, I read it, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: a typical Ryan family deal where they're kind of bombastic,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know did he feel that
Speaker 1: way or was he trying to make a splash to
Speaker 1: get noticed on the to get his name out there,
Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, I'm working right, And you know,
Speaker 1: I get it, I understand it. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting this week. And I'm going to read a
Speaker 1: quick little thing here from Ron Rivera, the new head
Speaker 1: coach of Washington Redskins, and they were in on Cooper.
Speaker 1: They were trying to sign him and when they asked
Speaker 1: him about him, and he said, Amari was someone that
Speaker 1: we chased very hard all the way up to the
Speaker 1: very end. He decided to return to Dallas. We were
Speaker 1: in it and we were talking about substantial money. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he made a decision.
Speaker 1: He felt it was best, and we respected. He said.
Speaker 1: We would have loved to have him as part of
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. Believe he would have been
Speaker 1: a great veteran presence in our room, especially for those
Speaker 1: young guys. So Ron Rivera evidently didn't have the same
Speaker 1: opinion of Amari Cooper as Rex Ryan did. Where you
Speaker 1: know how, you know how the Ryans have always been
Speaker 1: spags and you touched on it earlier. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody like Cooper, we always look at
Speaker 1: the exception of his entire great career here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: So that's just always the way it is. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was referring to the Patriots game and those
Speaker 1: those those stretch of games that where Cooper was clearly
Speaker 1: fighting through an injury, and so everyone was looking forward
Speaker 1: to the matchup between he and the Patriots secondary and
Speaker 1: just so happened the timing was bad for Cooper because
Speaker 1: he didn't come through simply, I think simply because of
Speaker 1: the injury and of course the conditions that they had
Speaker 1: to play in up in New England at that time.
Speaker 1: But when you take a look at Mary Cooper's value
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, you can't put a number on that.
Speaker 1: He turned our entire season, he turned Dak's entire professional
Speaker 1: career around because at that time Dak was up against
Speaker 1: a lot of variables that were affecting his game and
Speaker 1: affecting his coductivity here comes to Mary Cooper like Superman.
Speaker 1: He comes in, he saves the season, saves Dak's career,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, he's a staple for
Speaker 1: US here and with the Dallas Cowboys. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't mind the fact that he signed early for US
Speaker 1: at all. I like the fact that I believe that
Speaker 1: that Dak feels the same way. Also stags the fact
Speaker 1: that your wide receiver, your star wide receiver, signs first,
Speaker 1: you show him up. I'm pretty sure Dak Prescott doesn't
Speaker 1: have the same problem with that that Rex Ryan had. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the one thing you know, and I keep seeing it,
Speaker 1: and it's always nice when you can take some statistics
Speaker 1: and you kind of put him in a box and
Speaker 1: put a bow on top of it. With his numbers
Speaker 1: this past year on the road not as good as
Speaker 1: his numbers at home. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: remember and you need to point out you need to
Speaker 1: go in that box, right And there were two games
Speaker 1: one game. Now you're gonna it's gonna ruin his average
Speaker 1: because all he did was played three plays against the Jets.
Speaker 1: He was hurt, he tried to play, and he played
Speaker 1: the first series and that was in so I didn't
Speaker 1: have any catches all right, And then in New England,
Speaker 1: as Everson just said, no one had had a lot
Speaker 1: of catches in the game. I can't tell that was
Speaker 1: one of the most miserable weather days I think I've
Speaker 1: ever witnessed. Not only did it rain the whole time,
Speaker 1: the wind is blowing twenty miles an hour and the
Speaker 1: rains coming down in sheets. Right, Tom Brady. If you
Speaker 1: judged Tom Brady's performance off that one game, you would
Speaker 1: say I paying him twenty five million a year, right,
Speaker 1: No one. There was one touchdown in the game. And
Speaker 1: the only reason, and there was a touchdown in the
Speaker 1: game is the fumble the Cowboys had, right, and the
Speaker 1: Patriots get the ball at what the twelve yard line.
Speaker 1: So other than that, no one scored anything. No one
Speaker 1: was catching the ball, they were trying to run it.
Speaker 1: It was just miserable. So those are two games, and
Speaker 1: you know, he take two games and put that in eight, Now,
Speaker 1: that will really mess up an average. Now. I know
Speaker 1: some of the other games he didn't perform as well,
Speaker 1: but as Everson said, there were times he was playing
Speaker 1: through an injury too. By the way, So go back
Speaker 1: to the year before and look at those final eight games,
Speaker 1: when nine games he had that he turned around the
Speaker 1: Cowboys season that was going down the tubes quickly. And Danny,
Speaker 1: I must, I must add to that, Danny, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this past season, when you look at Mary's numbers, the
Speaker 1: amount of catches he had could have been so much more.
Speaker 1: But we are blessed with a number backup tight end
Speaker 1: who's now starting tight end. We are blessed with a
Speaker 1: young man on the other side by the name of
Speaker 1: Gallop that that just had a breakout year. We were
Speaker 1: blessed with Randall Cobb to be our slot guy begging
Speaker 1: for passes himself barely got fifty five catches, got his
Speaker 1: little quarter of a million dollar boners. You had a
Speaker 1: lot of talent out there that we had a chance
Speaker 1: to exploit. Zeke Elliott had fifty plus catches, So there
Speaker 1: was a plethora of talent out there from the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position. And Amari Cooper was still extremely impactful for
Speaker 1: this team. So to me, that says even more about
Speaker 1: how important he is about this team than it does
Speaker 1: for the previous year when he came in and saved
Speaker 1: us and doing half the season coming from Oakland, absolutely, Everson,
Speaker 1: and also on his character. I mean, we're around these players,
Speaker 1: and even after those games on the road when Amari
Speaker 1: wasn't performing well, he knew it, and he would say
Speaker 1: he would stand about his locker, and he would talk
Speaker 1: to the meet and he would answer every question, and
Speaker 1: he was holding himself accountable. So I think those comments
Speaker 1: about his character and it's just not true. That's not
Speaker 1: that's not who he is. He was holding himself accountable
Speaker 1: and he knows that he can and needs to be better. Well,
Speaker 1: Danny Everson will tell you that the Ryan family did
Speaker 1: never ever like the Cowboys. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Buddy didn't like Tom Landry. Who didn't like Tom Landry? Right,
Speaker 1: Buddy didn't even like players that came from the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: team he was coaching to the Dallas Cowboys. If you recall, yes,
Speaker 1: they had the kicker, Danny. They had a kicker that
Speaker 1: came Zenn Dajas was his name, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: the kicker that came from Philadelphia to Dallas Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: Buddy Ryan wants to make an example of a kicker.
Speaker 1: Who makes an example of a kicker. On the opening kick,
Speaker 1: they targeted the kicker doing the ball game pretty much
Speaker 1: knocked him out of the game, and that was his
Speaker 1: punishment for leaving the Philadelphia Eagles and going to the
Speaker 1: Dallas cowboyd So Buddy Ryan, Rex, Ryan, both of those guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got they have. They have a stick after about
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboy, which is which is known to this
Speaker 1: day as the Bounty Ball, Right, the bounty ball. You
Speaker 1: put a bounty out on a kicker. That's petty, that's petty.
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Speaker 1: U this time asked week, guys, we had some breaking news.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are trying to fill the loss of defensive
Speaker 1: end Robert Quinna free agency, who led the team in
Speaker 1: sacks last year. They've been trying to find a pass
Speaker 1: rusher on that right side, and they signed Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: to a one year deal. Now, remember he hasn't played
Speaker 1: football in four seasons, but he is being reunited with
Speaker 1: Jim Tomsula, the new Cowboys defensive line coach, and Mickey,
Speaker 1: you were able to find out some of those details
Speaker 1: of his one year deal. Yeah, absolutely, and I think
Speaker 1: there was some you know, when guys signed like that,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of agent stuff. And initially it was
Speaker 1: reported as a two year, four million dollars deal, then
Speaker 1: it was a one year, two million dollar deal. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the deal on his contracting the Cowboys. Really this
Speaker 1: is a low risk opportunity for them and an opportunity
Speaker 1: for Alden Smith if he gets reinstated. And let's start
Speaker 1: right there. He's still on reserves suspended, so none of
Speaker 1: his money is against the Cowboys salary cap at this point.
Speaker 1: And we got to see if Roger Goodell reinstatesman. Before
Speaker 1: everybody gets excited about this, But what I noticed is
Speaker 1: basically he's playing for I think he's five five years
Speaker 1: into the league, six years into the league, so he's
Speaker 1: playing for basically the minimum of nine hundred and ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That's it, and it's not guaranteed. So basically
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are betting nine hundred and ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the contract that adds up
Speaker 1: to two million. It's one point zero nine million. Is
Speaker 1: all with various bonuses, various incentives in the contract that
Speaker 1: he has to meet. And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: He's got a bonus for per game, how many games
Speaker 1: you play, you get paid so much per game, you
Speaker 1: get paid a bonus if he gets reinstated, he gets
Speaker 1: a bonus if he goes to training camp, and he
Speaker 1: gets a bonus if he plays two preseason games. And
Speaker 1: then he's got bonuses tied to how many sacks he produces,
Speaker 1: going from I think it was a minimum of eight
Speaker 1: to fourteen, and each level in between you get extra money.
Speaker 1: So again it's a very from a financial standpoint, a
Speaker 1: salary cap standpoint, a low risk that you could get
Speaker 1: a high reward. But Everson boy for somebody that hasn't
Speaker 1: played in four years. You just wonder how long it
Speaker 1: would take him to get back in the swing of things,
Speaker 1: what his ability still is, and it's compounded by what
Speaker 1: we're going through right now, possibly no offseason. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing about this is you talk about him being
Speaker 1: a low risk sign, but he's a high risk individual.
Speaker 1: This guy has some serious issues. When he first started
Speaker 1: playing ball. You know, he had this amazing start where
Speaker 1: the first three years, I think he averaged like a
Speaker 1: sack a game, which is almost unheard of. And along
Speaker 1: with that, though, was some other things off the field
Speaker 1: that were also unheard of. I believe he had some
Speaker 1: issues of alcohol issues that stemmed from that even and
Speaker 1: I think it was some domestic abuse problems that he
Speaker 1: was having that just really ran him out of the league.
Speaker 1: He ran himself out of the league. And so that's
Speaker 1: why those incentives are so important, because they want to
Speaker 1: make sure that he stays on point. You can't look
Speaker 1: forward when you have the issues that he's had in life.
Speaker 1: You can't leave and look forward to the next day.
Speaker 1: And so I think those incentives are stated for that
Speaker 1: just for that particular reason. I don't know what went
Speaker 1: into this signing and Spags, I'm gonna throw that back
Speaker 1: to you in the set. But for someone even as
Speaker 1: amazing as he was, for someone to get consideration after
Speaker 1: three four years of being out of football, there has
Speaker 1: to be some type of connection there. Not just a
Speaker 1: relationship with a coach, but there has to be a
Speaker 1: lot of back and forth going on. And even though
Speaker 1: you're talking about low risks, that's still a million dollars
Speaker 1: that you're putting out there for a guy that hadn't
Speaker 1: been the league for three, four or five years. To me,
Speaker 1: he's a obviously a high risk individual and he knows
Speaker 1: that because he's had his struggles. And so the Cowboys
Speaker 1: once again they're going after some guys that I guess
Speaker 1: they think that they're worth taking the chance on. And
Speaker 1: once against facts, what was the connection that made them
Speaker 1: think that this was worth it? You know, I think
Speaker 1: number one it would have been Tom Sula. He had
Speaker 1: him those first four years in San Francisco, the new
Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive line coach. And then his agent is local
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, so they may had a relationship with him. Uh.
Speaker 1: Now he's been in supposing, you know, going through rehab
Speaker 1: looks like he's getting better, and we'll find out if
Speaker 1: the NFL thinks he is uh, you know, made progress
Speaker 1: to the point where okay, we'll give you another chance.
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of chances, you know. I printed
Speaker 1: out his list of transgressions. Uh, and boy, it's like
Speaker 1: a dozen. It's a long long list. And here're saying, also, Spags,
Speaker 1: when you start thinking about the other league, we just
Speaker 1: we just have a new league here in the in
Speaker 1: in America. We have a new team in Dallas. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got a kid that had his own issues coming
Speaker 1: out of the out of Carolina, Alexander I think his
Speaker 1: named Frank Alexander, defensive end for the Dallas team. You know,
Speaker 1: you would think they would go out to guys who
Speaker 1: are also trying to work their way back into the NFL,
Speaker 1: and you know that could be like a little feeder
Speaker 1: system for them. So I'm surprised they jumped all the
Speaker 1: way back to the Algun Smith in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: they jumped right over some really decent athletes that they
Speaker 1: have on their their Dallas team. Well, the Dallas Winnigades,
Speaker 1: the Runnegades, Yes, yeah, the Renegades. They have some decent
Speaker 1: talent on that team. I'm surprised they didn't try to
Speaker 1: sign one of those guys. And like I said, in
Speaker 1: particularly guy named Frank Alexander, who had a lot of
Speaker 1: potential when he signed with Carolina coming out of college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and think about this, the last time Aldon Smith actually
Speaker 1: played in the game was around Thanksgiving of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: That's a long time and I don't know ever since.
Speaker 1: If I can think of somebody that's been out of
Speaker 1: the league that long, I've never never seen successfully returned. Right,
Speaker 1: Winton was out one year, Right, he came back to
Speaker 1: Jones to talk. Jones was out one year, he came back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and without that offseason, boy, that's going to
Speaker 1: make this one difficult. But we'll see because first and
Speaker 1: four words, he's got to be reinstated before he does anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm just gonna say macause it would be very,
Speaker 1: very helpful for him if he got reinstated and had
Speaker 1: OTA's mini camps a training camp, and we just we
Speaker 1: don't know what the future is going to look like.
Speaker 1: That's why we've been doing this virtually, why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been doing this virtually, why the NFL announced this
Speaker 1: week that the draft is going to be virtual, So
Speaker 1: that'll be something that we'll have to keep our minds
Speaker 1: on real quick about the draft. It's going to be
Speaker 1: all virtual, like we've been seeing those behind the scenes interviews.
Speaker 1: Real quick, each of you, what is what concerns you
Speaker 1: the most about that or what excites you the most?
Speaker 1: What's one thing? Well, the all star of these this
Speaker 1: virtual draft is going to be the IT departments because
Speaker 1: they got to be perfect, right to keep the connections going,
Speaker 1: keep the fodes going, keep the video going. And I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that these guys are working night
Speaker 1: and day to coordinate because all the coaches, the scouts, whatever,
Speaker 1: they're all going to be in separate places. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like us doing the draft. You know what
Speaker 1: we're doing right now, you know doesn't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with winning and losing, right, but this is going
Speaker 1: to be serious important. And I was reading a story
Speaker 1: yesterday ever Sin that they said that they were going
Speaker 1: to try and do a dry run, like have a
Speaker 1: mock draft to make sure all thirty two teams they're
Speaker 1: hooked up together and they could communicate, they could communicate
Speaker 1: with the NFL office. They would have an open conference
Speaker 1: call line for everybody to use. Boy, that's a lot
Speaker 1: to coordinate. But again, and I think the tough thing
Speaker 1: will be how are you going to make trades? You know,
Speaker 1: the conversations back and forth and you're on a video board,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be on your phone. And that's true. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think ever Sin John also see that that that's
Speaker 1: a concern. That's what what if Jerry Jones drops off
Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft, right, uh? Or Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones And so yeah, that's the difficulty of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know what, Uh, I remember reading this book,
Speaker 1: I think goes back in high school, Brave New World,
Speaker 1: and we are certainly in a brave New world situation
Speaker 1: here trying to conduct an NFL draft over uh the
Speaker 1: seven rounds without everybody meeting in person. Yeah, it'll definitely
Speaker 1: be a change for everyone, but hopeful that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be able to still do their jobs to the
Speaker 1: best of their ability. That's gonna unfortunately do it for us.
Speaker 1: I think ever Sin might have popped off. But Mickey,
Speaker 1: thanks for Lenn Everson I pop on with you this week.
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