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Speaker 3: It's time to bang.

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Speaker 1: Heavy metal rap with a four to four banger I finish.

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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody? How you doing on this Monday? On

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Speaker 4: this Monday, August eighteenth, twenty twenty four, My name is

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Speaker 4: Luke Thomas. That's Chuck Bendenhall. This is Morning Combat. Yes,

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Speaker 4: indeed it is.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Chuck? I'm well.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is the first time I've been with

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Speaker 5: you in the studio and probably since the second.

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Speaker 1: Time you were ever in it. I'm a more loving partner. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so it'll be great.

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Speaker 4: Everything as well in Icemanland, everything's great, man, everything's rolling.

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Speaker 4: And I said eighteenth, it's the nineteenth. You know what, motherfucker,

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Speaker 4: it's the eighteenth if I want it to be? How

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Speaker 4: about that? How about that? What's up, Jock? How are

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Speaker 1: I'm good man, I'm good. Yeah. Where did you watch

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Speaker 5: I watched them from home in La Fortunately, I'm glad

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Speaker 5: I wasn't in perth Man, eleven thousand miles from here.

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Speaker 4: John Annick every time he travels there is like five

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Speaker 1: They got dysenterian Doha along the way. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I had to abandon them three weeks ago. At least.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, there was one update he had on the

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Speaker 4: way there. Yeah, it had been since he had left

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Speaker 1: Don't happen. Enemy man. I couldn't do that anymore.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot to get to today. So first

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Speaker 4: I bet they don't be see you, fucking idiot. So

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Speaker 4: he's there enjoying his time there in England. I think

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Speaker 4: that too. But we'll have him back next week. And

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Speaker 4: so today on the show, let's see what we got

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Speaker 4: here UFC three h five. We're gonna get to all

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Speaker 4: it on the rundown, Chuck, but we do. Before we

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Speaker 4: three oh seven in the announcement as well, or they're

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Speaker 1: Guys title shots. I mean, I don't mind it, but

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Speaker 1: it's different. Right, let's do it. Anything you want to

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Speaker 5: but I'm still doing the same show. We're still at

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Speaker 5: the Ringer MMA show. We do it after every big

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Speaker 1: The Ringer. Are you running for them too?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, that shows how much you actually like Look

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Speaker 4: Do you know how much time I have to read.

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Speaker 4: fucking know Morningcombat Dot store. Hey, Long Island Luke. First

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Speaker 4: It's like, dude, we're nominating We're nominating post World War

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Speaker 4: But unless I'll take it, well, I want them to vote.

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Speaker 4: We've got something special here. But you know, we've listened.

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Speaker 4: You know you need more Ford jokes, that's what you need.

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Speaker 4: More Buckingham Palace. Where's Prince Harry come here for those?

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Speaker 1: Very methodical, I think, very strategic, and he understood.

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Speaker 5: I think he fully understood, like whoever's initiating contact in

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Speaker 4: For me, there were lots of people along on Luke

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Speaker 4: he's another bruiser like Paulo Costa. If there's any takeaway

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Speaker 4: obvious beforehand, but now it is simply undeniable. This is

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Speaker 4: not another version of Paulo Costa. No, this is not

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Speaker 4: I've been a guy who's been a long time support

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Speaker 4: are there technical deficiencies in his game? Of course, there

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Speaker 4: like what what is the principal task at hand that

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Speaker 1: Very good.

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Speaker 4: Number two we cannot lose sight of this is he

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Speaker 1: He took is he down?

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Speaker 4: He took or I think you don't know if you

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Speaker 4: took brunts them down, but he took Till down, even

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Speaker 4: like all these guys Whitaker is he takes them all down.

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Speaker 1: And then the last part I'd.

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Speaker 1: Yes? Since then? Have you seen guys land On Dricus

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Speaker 5: Yes, there's so much to it. Man, Like he uses

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Speaker 5: I think that that just it just shows man. I

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Speaker 5: Do you like, do you think there's been an evolution

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Speaker 4: Right, I guarantee he has tried this kind of lunging,

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Speaker 5: I wrote, and Tim Silvia saw it and yeah, got

434
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Speaker 5: all piss he thought, I am, like, that's a pool

435
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 5: quote from your own guy. I didn't say that, you know,

436
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,840
Speaker 5: but he wanted to beat me up. I still like

437
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,520
Speaker 5: my chances against him, but h but he wanted to

438
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,440
Speaker 5: beat me up at that time.

439
00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,639
Speaker 4: Well that's very common among fighters. They have They're not

440
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 4: known as the least sensitive group that's ever been. But okay, Nevertheless,

441
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 4: the as he indicated to me, the big takeaway just

442
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 4: being that, like if Drake is probably will continue to

443
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,160
Speaker 4: have doubters, especially if he goes up to a five,

444
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 4: which we'll talk about just a minute. But I feel

445
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,919
Speaker 4: like this fight really solidified the end of he's just

446
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 4: lucking his way through this, like you don't get this

447
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 4: far lucking your way through this. By the way, he's

448
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 4: been enjoying the victory lap here. I want to post

449
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 4: if we can Long Island he is. The tweet he

450
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 4: sent to Drake, Drake the rapper who's been getting his

451
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 4: ass handed to him. Drake had I think bet like

452
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 4: something like five hundred grand, some enormous well, what was it,

453
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:37,880
Speaker 4: Long Island?

454
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: Luke, God, I don't even know.

455
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 1: I want to say five hundred yeah.

456
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,719
Speaker 4: Some enormous amount of money, And afterwards he sent him

457
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 4: a text saying, from the bottom of my heart once again,

458
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,880
Speaker 4: thank you in all caps, Drake.

459
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

460
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 4: By the way, when after Brendan Shopp send him a

461
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 4: couple of tweets calling him nasty things, then today when

462
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,040
Speaker 4: after Darren Till called him a bunch of name, I

463
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 4: saw that one and went after Steve Erseg calling him

464
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 4: a six out of time, because that's what I called

465
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 4: him ahead of time. Do you like victory, laughed Drickis.

466
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? Dude? I love it, man.

467
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, he's weirdly good at this, Like

468
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 5: he's really good at harnessing his grudges.

469
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: Is it crying?

470
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 4: Is he got very good emotional Like there's something about

471
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 4: what Drickas does that doesn't immediately pop off, But then

472
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 4: you look, you look at the outcomes and you're like.

473
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ gets under people's skins, Like I love it,

474
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 5: man like, And that's that's part of it, right, Like

475
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 5: if anybody ever snuck up into a position, it was him. Like,

476
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 5: I don't think we fully understood who drikus Stu. Plus

477
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 5: he was as he kind of came into the limelight,

478
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 5: and especially as he's you know, when's the title and

479
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 5: all this, so he's still kind of showing off like

480
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 5: who he is. He's still kind of feeling back the layers.

481
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun.

482
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: Man.

483
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 5: I love a guy like this. I love a guy

484
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 5: who's like the fight game needs that sort of thing.

485
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 5: I think it makes it better. You know, when a

486
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 5: guy's like doing this kind of victory lap and he's

487
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 5: like rubbing it in people's faces, it shows a personality.

488
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 5: You got to kind of understand the subtleties within his personality.

489
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 5: But he is certainly starting to come into that light.

490
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 5: I think in the lead up to this fight, it

491
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 5: was a little bit weird, right, because you thought there

492
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 5: was going to be huge bad blood between these guys.

493
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 5: That's what they're kind of promoting it as like these

494
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 5: guys hate each other for reasons, you know, of the

495
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 5: of the African thing, but obviously, like we know that

496
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 5: the broader implications of what was going on, and we

497
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 5: didn't know if it was going to turn really really crazy.

498
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 5: It really didn't. And part of that I think was

499
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 5: because of du plus c is. I don't know if

500
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 5: he wants to actually play the certain games. He likes

501
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 5: to play a mind game, but it's not like that exactly,

502
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 5: so I just feel like we're learning about him man,

503
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 5: and it's it's been kind of fun.

504
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: I have to say, like Dricas fights, are you bored?

505
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 1: You're never bored.

506
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 4: I've never seen I guess the Strickland fight is one

507
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 4: that you could maybe make the argument, but that's like

508
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 4: absent that where you have a very unique style. That's

509
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 4: Sean Strickland is the king of trench warfare. Right where

510
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 4: we're putting up a line and I have lobb and

511
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: then you lobbed, then I lobbed, then you lobb and

512
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: you have to kind of count we got the most

513
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 4: lobbs at the end.

514
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: But short of that.

515
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 4: Look at Riggis's fights and sometimes again he's pulling darun

516
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: til right on top of him. Okay, fair enough, but

517
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 4: they're not short on calamity, they're not short on action.

518
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 5: It feels like, you know, it feels reckless. And it

519
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 5: also he initiates contact right like. I feel like he

520
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 5: he's not a guy like if he got the wrong

521
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 5: matchup where they're just gonna patty Cake through five rounds.

522
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: I just don't feel like he'll ever do no. I

523
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 5: feel like he's going to. He would initiate action at

524
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 5: some point, and probably very early enough.

525
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 4: He never is in a place where he's like, Okay,

526
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 4: this is good enough. He's always in a place like, okay,

527
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 4: that's good. Can we get more? Can we get more?

528
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 4: Can we get more? And dude, he just fucking knocks

529
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 4: on the door.

530
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: What's his name is? Still knocks knocks. He's still fucking

531
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: knocking at the door. That's what he does.

532
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: Now.

533
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: You brought up something about the bad blood. There was

534
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: an interesting moment after the fight. If we can't a

535
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 4: long Island Luke where the families met and is he

536
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 4: was given this kind of jacket. I think it's got

537
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 4: some relationship to South Africa. Not exactly sure, I don't

538
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 4: really know, but you know, certainly a gift to an arrival,

539
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: to an opponent, to you know, a former champion, and uh,

540
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 4: I got a question about it.

541
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: Warm your heart to see stuff like this.

542
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: I will say this about the fight game. How sincere

543
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 4: this stuff is? You never know, could be, couldn't be.

544
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: You can decide. But my view on this is I

545
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: saw some real cynical takes on this, and my view

546
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 4: is and here he is. I think he was trying

547
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: to make amends with the parents about not really knowing

548
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: your story and everything, because there was a lot about like, oh,

549
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: they had the servants growing up, and I'm like, have

550
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: you guys been to the developed world? That is in

551
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: no way rare whatsoever. But okay, I don't even want

552
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: to litigate it. But the question I had for you

553
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: was I actually really like these again, not because I

554
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: necessarily think that they are always sincere. Maybe they are,

555
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 4: maybe they aren't. However, the Fight game has very few

556
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: feel good rituals where a winner tries to humble himself

557
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: before the loser.

558
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually feel like we.

559
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: Should protect those traditions and we should be glad about them.

560
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: I'm always so torn on this thing really because well no, no, no,

561
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 5: not that specifically, but like I can't get enough of

562
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 5: guys who hate each other either, like you know what

563
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 5: I mean, Like I love that aspect of it because

564
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 5: even after the fight, well I don't. I can appreciate

565
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 5: when they do this. I think there is like this

566
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 5: human moment where you're like, Okay, the competition is over,

567
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 5: they can shake hands, they can be buddies. I'm okay

568
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: with it. But I also like it when the bad

569
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: blood just rolls on because because it's it's the fight game,

570
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 5: and it's.

571
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: Like Chuck woke up and chose violence. But it's like,

572
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: you know, it all leads.

573
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 5: The greatest thing was like in other sports, you know,

574
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 5: the ball is a metaphor, they're just gonna go compete

575
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 5: against each other and try, you know, shoot baskets or whatever.

576
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 5: But in this sport, they're gonna punch each other. And

577
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: I always there's something about it that revs up in

578
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 5: its most literal form when they just can't stand each other.

579
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: I told you I talked to this guy who wrestled

580
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: d one. He made this point to me years and

581
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: years and years ago, and he was all he always

582
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 4: found it funny. He was like, dude, after a wrestling match,

583
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: we're talking like d one Penn State, Oklahoma State. You know,

584
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: two national champions facing off to see what happens, like whatever,

585
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: even if.

586
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: It's a pin or close, does it matter.

587
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: They'll shake hands, but it will be the most reluctant

588
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: handshake of all time. Right, he goes in MMA, you'll

589
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: get two former wrestlers who beat the shit out of

590
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: each other and then they'll embrace. Right, They'll have the

591
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 4: spiritual experience. There is something different about hitting one another

592
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: that the other sports cannot replicate.

593
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: That frosts some of these traditions. I actually really kind

594
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: of like this and there is and I can and

595
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: and you know, to evolve that.

596
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: You're like, there is a brotherhood to haven't went to war,

597
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: like if we fought afterwards, you well, we're always going

598
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 5: to share that.

599
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: Two guys, the two guys in the ambulance, both in

600
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 4: their journeys and all that.

601
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 5: That stuff is very cool because you know, you have

602
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: something now in history books with this guy, you went

603
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 5: to war with him.

604
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: I can appreciate that sort of thing.

605
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 5: And I think that I could appreciate what was happening

606
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 5: in this too, because the bad blood was just so

607
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 5: it had the potential to be really ugly, and I'm

608
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 5: glad it didn't get there, to be honest, But there

609
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 5: was a part of me too that was like I

610
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 5: wanted to believe that there was going to be lingering

611
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: bad blood. It's just it's just part of the way

612
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 5: you think of the fight game.

613
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: You know, there's a conversation we're going to have in

614
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: just a minute about what should be next for DDP.

615
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 4: But before we do that, we do have to talk

616
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 4: about Israel Adesina. I don't know. I literally do not know. Izzy.

617
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 4: How do he look to you? He looked okay.

618
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 5: So it's kind of a complicated question because if you

619
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 5: compare him.

620
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Straight up to his hungriest, his rawest.

621
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 5: Like when he was lifting his leg and spraying, you know,

622
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 5: and beating guys like what Because like when he was

623
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 5: doing all that stuff and coming up, it just looked

624
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 5: to me like he was not going to be denied.

625
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: This was a hungry guy who you could tell was

626
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 5: kind of bookmark, like he was going to be in

627
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 5: big moments and he was going to thrive in him

628
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 5: and I think we saw that through the course of

629
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 5: his run all of his title defenses. Something's happened. I'm

630
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 5: not sure what, but I just don't feel like he

631
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 5: has that whole thing in him anymore. Sometimes you think

632
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: was because he's evolved as a human being, like he

633
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 5: just sees the world differently. But you get the sense

634
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 5: that he's kind of revenant. He's trying to rev himself

635
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: back into that, but it's maybe not clicking like it did.

636
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 5: It's just I didn't feel like he was fully that

637
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: same dog man, you know, It's just something about it.

638
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: I just didn't feel like he was fully himself in

639
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 5: that fight.

640
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 4: I think he exercised a lot of demons knocking out Poeton,

641
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 4: and I don't think he's been the same sense personally.

642
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: I think that that was such a landmark achievement in

643
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: his career that I mean, let's actually back up a step, like,

644
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: let me tell you how I think he looked. I

645
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: actually thought he looked physically prepared, right. I thought he

646
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: looked in shape. He did not look in any way

647
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: out of shape. He was breathing through his nose well

648
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 4: into the fourth round, which is very, very difficult to do, right,

649
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: So I thought he was like engaged. He looked pretty good.

650
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: Does he look a step slower physically at thirty five

651
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: and he did thirty one, thirty two, Yes, of course,

652
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: But I didn't did you very quickly?

653
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: Did he look washed to you?

654
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: No?

655
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I did not get the sense of I had people

656
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: being like I thought he was gonna win at third

657
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: round one. I was like, he's gonna win the fight,

658
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: and he was.

659
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: He looked like he made it on his way. One

660
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: never knows, but he looked like he was. He performed

661
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: quite ably, I think, is the way I would put that.

662
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: But in retrospect and watching it again, I got the

663
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: sense that this is a guy that has I mean,

664
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: heading into this contest. Whether he won or whether he lost,

665
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: it didn't matter. He's still the second best middleweight of

666
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: all time. Nothing changes from that. Even if he had

667
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: beatendrickis Enow, if he gotten the Bilt a third time,

668
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: he in some kind of different history and it creates

669
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: different opportunities, but it didn't really change his place at middleweight.

670
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: He has achieved so much, and then you add in

671
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 4: that crowning achievement over Poeton, and then add on top

672
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: of that that he's thirty five years of age, he

673
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: has well over one hundred combat sports professional fights. Crazy man,

674
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: You're you saw him in glory back in the day, right,

675
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: but before I even knew who he was. And the

676
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: last thing I want to say is, dude, the fact

677
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: that afterwards, this guy who is has been full of

678
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: vinegar and piss and motivation and hunger and drive seemed

679
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: to be okay with the loss is incomprehensible to the

680
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: other version. And I want to be clear, I am

681
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: not in any way trying to be insulting. I am

682
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: not What I am saying is even the guys who

683
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: are this good.

684
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: They have expiration dates.

685
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: And I don't know whether he knows it, but I

686
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: feel like watching from a far chuck, I feel like

687
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: he has entered a different phase of his life and

688
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if fighting should be a part of

689
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: it anymore.

690
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: What else is there left to do?

691
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: And if you don't have that hunger andrew this age,

692
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 4: that's the whole thing, what are we doing here?

693
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 5: It's kind also like something about his easy resolve with

694
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: it that was weird.

695
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: It was too easy. I know it was too easy.

696
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: He was way too accommodated him.

697
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 5: And also like you know, even the words he was using,

698
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: you know, through his run had such gravity, right, like

699
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: he was saying things differently, seeing things differently, and he

700
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 5: was even saying like I manifested this, you know. After this,

701
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: he was like, I didn't manifest this, which is this

702
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: weird thing that you're almost like, it's just so out

703
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: of the personality of this alpha dog that you've known

704
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 5: for so long, Like now there's almost a comic I'm

705
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 5: undertoned to it or something. And I'm like, I don't

706
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 5: know it, just I think you're dead on right though,

707
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: with the poton thing, because we had this discussion, and

708
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: in fact, I sometimes think he took this discussion because

709
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: we had a discussion about whose story is it? Remember

710
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 5: whose story is? Ultimately he kind of has been talking

711
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: about that since then. He's been like, who star's my story?

712
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: It's my story now. And I have no idea if

713
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: he actually got it from watching our show. Is it

714
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: is very possible. It is possible, though, And I was like,

715
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 5: because it became like such a chief part of his

716
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 5: narrative about reclaiming his story an identity thing, you know,

717
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 5: and he was even saying it going into this one,

718
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: and I think that that Poton thing, because it got

719
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: so crazy.

720
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's ozer and three.

721
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: Basically if you go back to the kickbox and he's

722
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: going in that last fight, he got so crazy for

723
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 5: him that he was being erased because this guy was

724
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 5: the bane of his existence coming to take everything from him,

725
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 5: you know, and all of a sudden he knocks him out.

726
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 5: I do think you're right. I think that that was

727
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: kind of like the peak you're going to see. And

728
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: I thought that was the you know, some of the

729
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 5: most og stuff I'd ever seen when he did that

730
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: and he shot him with the arrows and all the

731
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: weight he talked, It was so good And I feel

732
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: like now kind of looking at it, that that was

733
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 5: probably the peak of what what we got?

734
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: How can you do that?

735
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: And then at thirty five, with a year off reclaim

736
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: that fire.

737
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know how. I don't know if that's

738
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: possible now.

739
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: He was asked at the postfight press conference to assess

740
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: his own performance Long Island.

741
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: Luke.

742
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: This is the one where he says, I was winning

743
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: basically until I wasn't right.

744
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: See, he says, I'm more happy with this fight than

745
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 6: my last fight, because again, I performed I showcased myself.

746
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: I felt great. Man, I felt great.

747
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 6: So again, I wasn't really like I said, I wasn't

748
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 6: hanging on the result. I just wanted to showcase myself

749
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 6: and I felt like I did that tonight. I was

750
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 6: in my eyes, I was winning the fight until I wasn't.

751
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 6: So yeah, as long as I performed, I made myself proud.

752
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: I just don't.

753
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 6: Like the result. But again, I'm not hanging on the result.

754
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 6: I'm just proud of what I how I performed.

755
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: It reminds me of this quote from Sean Connery. Ever

756
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: seen the movie The Rock in nineteen twenty sixteen, and

757
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: Nicholas Cage turns in me because I'll do my best,

758
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: and he turns around.

759
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: He goes, go besh, you besh. He goes what he said,

760
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: He goes pretty good, he says, he goes, uh, I

761
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: forget exactly how he said it, but his point is

762
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: your best is one thing. He goes winners go home

763
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: and fuck the prom queen, and he goes, Carla was

764
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: the problem.

765
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: Dude, that's hilarious. You know Max Brados, Yes, I love Max. Like,

766
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: next time you run across him, ask him to do

767
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 5: a shank. He ran into him on the golf course.

768
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 5: It's just funny. You're yours is pretty damn good, But

769
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: he's got a funny one to so. But my point

770
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 5: being is I understand what he's saying. Yeah, he didn't

771
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 5: even look like himself against Jrickland. He wanted to erase that,

772
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 5: and he didn't want to hang on the result. Like

773
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 5: all of this is emotionally stable. What I'm trying to

774
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 5: make is that's an adult thing to say. That's a

775
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: rational thing to say. That's a smart thing to say.

776
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 5: That's not necessarily great for competing. Right, That's where I'm at.

777
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. That's what I'm saying.

778
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: Like those those that kind of stuff, like you use

779
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: the word inconceivable, I think that that's you if you

780
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 5: are comparing it to the guy who was making his

781
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: run and just the way he looked at the fight game,

782
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 5: the way he looked at almost like a primal way

783
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 5: of looking at fighting, where he was going to go

784
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: in there and you were trying to take steal from

785
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: his plate. You know, it's it's come a long way

786
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: from there. So I think that at this point, I

787
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: don't know if we get that easy back. I think

788
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: that people are clinging to him because I think that

789
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: people you can tell me what you think and the

790
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: canon of is he you know, is he one of

791
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 5: those guys who his legacy is like, his legacy is

792
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: certainly secure, But is he one of those guys that

793
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: we're always going to be talking about, like one of

794
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 5: the greats. It's a tough one because I don't think

795
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 5: he ever. I think that this fight solidified maybe the

796
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: Strickland one first, that he's not a generational like generational fighter,

797
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: because you look at guy like Andrew Anderson Silva sixteen

798
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: and zero in the UFC to start ten title defenses,

799
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: he was thirty eight. I think when he lost to

800
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: Chris Widman, thirty eight, Like, imagine going that long. That's

801
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 5: when you compare it, right, even though I think is

802
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: he's strength to schedule is harder, But if you compare

803
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: those things, you're like, that's that's more like generational stuff.

804
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 5: That's the stuff that you'll always talk about until somebody

805
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: is able to duplicate it.

806
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't think, I guess.

807
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: I guess it will depend how long him being number

808
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: two in terms of the best minal waights lasts.

809
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: If it ends up being quite lasting. I think you

810
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: could be wrong.

811
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: On the other hand, if Drickis keeps winning or he

812
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: beats those records, yeah, it probably will be quite ephemeral.

813
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. By the way, here's the quote, your beshed,

814
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: you'll beashed.

815
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: Losers always whine about their beshed winners go home and

816
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: fuck the prom queen.

817
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: There you go. It's the worst Sean Connery impression you've

818
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: ever heard. Now you have the like the or whatever.

819
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 6: That.

820
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, last bit on this is he has actually asked

821
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: about Drickis and how he feels about him.

822
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: This is what he says.

823
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 6: I'm sure losing to this guy stings it a little

824
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 6: bit more than then, you know, they maybe normally would.

825
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: How desperate are you to get this went back?

826
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: And how are you going to carry that disappointment moving forward?

827
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: I'm not really desperate to get it back. I haven't. Like.

828
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 6: He gave me a lot of respect in there, and

829
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 6: I gave him his respect back.

830
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: And I already I knew he was a fan of me.

831
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: I knew he's a fan of me, But I guess

832
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 6: now I'm a fan of his because we've been in there,

833
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 6: we've done it, and when I'm.

834
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: In South Africa. I'll tap in with him, but I.

835
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 6: Said, look, we can hang out, but just so you know,

836
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 6: when we have to fight again, I'm going to kill you.

837
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to kill you too.

838
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's always it's the respect is always there

839
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: and Dricas is an African champion, but you know.

840
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: The Three Kings will reign supreme.

841
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 6: That eerror right there was what set this off for

842
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: people like him, and he's going to inspire another generation

843
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 6: of African fighters as well. So congrats to him tonight. Yeah,

844
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 6: to meet again.

845
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: There's actually a significant amount of truth to this. Yeah,

846
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: Obviously Dricus's career was already in motion before any of

847
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: those the original Three Kings Kamara, Huspin, Francis and Ganouin.

848
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: Is he Francis, but yes, I know he Sorry, Francis

849
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: had never heard of this guy before.

850
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: But the reality is, and I'll tell the truth about

851
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: this and people should really understand this. One of the

852
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: hotbeds in African MMA has been for quite some time

853
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: South Africa. They have had something of a local scene

854
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: there and guys have come out of it. Pfl has

855
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: Don Madge of Trevor Pranley came out of South Africa

856
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 4: a long time ago. Remember Trevor Prangley versus Yuki Condo

857
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: and then everyone was shouting in USA, USA, and like,

858
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: he's South African, you Fox, you fucking morons.

859
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: This was in the United States.

860
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: But the point I'm trying to make is he is

861
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: the culmination of that. But I do believe that those

862
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: guys becoming champion. Now Dric is becoming champion, it does

863
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: shine a light on I think a very underserved world

864
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: in professional mixed martial arts.

865
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, one percent. And I was pointing.

866
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: I pointed this out when we're doing the other show,

867
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 5: the Ring of Show, like they've been talking about South

868
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 5: Africa the UFC for years.

869
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: I remember this so specifically.

870
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: There was you know, it was almost like the Dallas

871
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 5: when are you gonna go to Dallas Cowboy Stadium? There

872
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: were somebody was always asking when are you guys going

873
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 5: to go to South Africa? You know, And I remember

874
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: Mike Straka of all people, saying something to Dana this

875
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: had to have been ten years ago, like, hey, are

876
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 5: the plans for.

877
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: South Africa going to happen?

878
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: This is like probably twenty twelve, you know, and he's like,

879
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: you know, within the year. He was basically pointing out

880
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 5: that they wanted to get there within the next year.

881
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: So look at that.

882
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: It's just crazy that we're in twenty twenty four and

883
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 5: still they haven't really made headway over there, even though,

884
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 5: like you mentioned, there are fighters coming from now. They

885
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: got a champion from over there. Drincis deserves a fight.

886
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: And he does.

887
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: If they're ever going to do it, it would be

888
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: is Now. He'd be two of the best guys of

889
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: the last ten years, finished them both. Drinckis Duplessy deserves

890
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: a fight.

891
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: I was saying that gauntlet right like of you know,

892
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 5: you look at anybody's path through this, but to go

893
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 5: through Whittaker, Strickland and now Is he is just that's

894
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: a hard repack right there. Most times, you know, you're

895
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: looking at these and you're like, well, you got one

896
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: guy that was kind of a gimme in there. These

897
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 5: were all fights. I think most people thought he might lose,

898
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: you know, and he's won them all. So I mean,

899
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: like he's a deserving champion, and I hope they do

900
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 5: celebrate him that way.

901
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 4: All right, Speaking about what's next, let's go to question

902
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: number two. Chuck a very simple one out Now that

903
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: Driccis is in Factor Champion, the question becomes, well, then

904
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: what and who is next?

905
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Now?

906
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: UFC President Dana White has said it's going to be

907
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: Sean Strickland, but we don't really have any announcement or

908
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: any great assurances of that. There is some talk obviously

909
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: this upcoming bout and Rematcher a rebooked fight anyway between

910
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: Robert Whittaker and Hamza Chimaia. There is also the Alex

911
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: Paeda equation, Poeton tweeting that he would at least putting

912
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: on social media that he'd be willing to go Do

913
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: we have that graphic that he'd be willing to go

914
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 4: down to one eighty five?

915
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Again?

916
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: I love this dude, and uh this was I think

917
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 4: him trying to flex. Happiest I've ever seen him. Look

918
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: by yeah, I know this is him, jizz. Look at that,

919
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 4: Look at that, look at his look at his orgasm face.

920
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Just absolute DMV photo time.

921
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: Okay, we can get to the two of five part

922
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 4: here a little bit first, Assuming it is a one

923
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: eighty five title five, Chuck, what makes the most sense

924
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 4: for him?

925
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 5: And one to eighty five I would have a hard

926
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 5: time saying that Whittaker shouldn't have. But it's weird, right

927
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: because you have to. This is one of those conditional things.

928
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 5: He has a fight coming up in Abu Dhabi, we think.

929
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: I feel like this is a hypothetical fight until you

930
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 5: actually see shamayav and Uh and Whittaker actually fight. But

931
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 5: I would have a hard time telling Whittaker, who has

932
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: only lost to Izzy and Do plus C right over

933
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: the course of ten years, that's the only guys he's lost.

934
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: To, and he's fought everybody else to beat him.

935
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 5: I'd have a hard time saying to him, you don't

936
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: get it if he beats if he beats Shamaia. The

937
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 5: only problem is I don't know if the UFC will

938
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 5: want I don't know their schedule.

939
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: It seems sometimes feels.

940
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: Like they want guys to be more active. They might

941
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: want Do plus C to be like in there beforehand.

942
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't want to wait that timetable out. In

943
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: that case, they've already kind of promised Strickland. I don't

944
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: really love it, like, I don't really need to you

945
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: tell me, do you want to see that rematch right away?

946
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 5: I feel like it's it wouldn't it wouldn't have the

947
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 5: pop that some of these other fights potential fights could do.

948
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: So it's a it's this is like, this question is

949
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: uniquely interesting because it is like the most what choice

950
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 4: do you make among MMA choices? Ever, because if we're

951
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: just looking meritocratically, I do believe that Seann Strickland deserves

952
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: a rematch, I really really do. However, that fight is

953
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 4: going to be not great in all likelihood. In all likelihood,

954
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: it'll be boring.

955
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like that factors in so much to

956
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: their decision.

957
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 4: And also, if hamzat Chimayav wins and let's say blows,

958
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: I don't think you will, but let's say he blows

959
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: the doors of Robert Whittaker, dude, fresh matchup, somebody in

960
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: the UFC has been like waiting to kind.

961
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: Of like turn.

962
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: Or let's say Robert Whittaker goes in there and does

963
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: to Hamza what he did to I Grimala scaoff.

964
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I mean, this is an easy call.

965
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know what do you what matters to

966
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: you more the entertainment kind of freshness value, or hey,

967
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: this guy.

968
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: Is clearly the most deserving.

969
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean and honestly, like either I have winning.

970
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 5: Would that make him the most deserving I guess because

971
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 5: he's going through Whittaker, it.

972
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Would not make him the most deserve. It would make

973
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: him the most at least.

974
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: You would have the argument, right like, But I do

975
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 5: think that Whittaker would have you know, if he beats

976
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: him eye, I mean, like he'd be hard to deny.

977
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: That's the one.

978
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 5: That's the one thing I'd say, like he would deserve

979
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 5: it above everybody else. I do think like Strickland probably

980
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: has the inside track on it.

981
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: It would make no sense.

982
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 5: Right now for du plus C to fight Alexpra, who

983
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 5: also has a fight coming up anyway, but it would

984
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: make very little sense for them to fight. Like you

985
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 5: have guys like you're you're the new champion. You don't

986
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 5: need a guy to come back from another division to

987
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 5: fight you right now, or you don't need to jump

988
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 5: up in a division. Plant that for later though, because

989
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: that that is kind of a fun idea, you know.

990
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: So it's a fight that we haven't really contemplated until

991
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: just all of a sudden Saturday night, you know.

992
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's a fun place to be.

993
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 5: I think that so many of us, I don't know

994
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 5: how you were thinking of it, I was almost contemplating,

995
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: almost exclusively the easy side of the going of the coin.

996
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 5: Going into this fight, You're like, well, what happens does

997
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: Eazy fight this?

998
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: Or what to do this?

999
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden it's due plus C and

1000
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 5: uh and it kind of opens things up. Whittaker, especially though,

1001
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: I think, is like he's kind of like that Max

1002
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 5: Holloway situation where it's like, now he has a clearing,

1003
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 5: he has a clearing back to a title fight, right,

1004
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 5: And I feel like that that's important for a guy

1005
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 5: who is still there, like he's still that good. But

1006
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: he was never going I didn't feel like he was

1007
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 5: ever gonna get it again with Izzy. It would had

1008
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 5: to be you know, it's gonna have to be extraordinary

1009
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: circumstances for him to actually fight Izzy again.

1010
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: So he's got that path at least back to it.

1011
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: I'll say this too, even if Whittaker wins, I mean

1012
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: it goes back to this question, like what is the

1013
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: UFC value? They typically don't value people sitting out and waiting,

1014
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: ye not, Sometimes that's not true. Sometimes, like for example,

1015
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: Dana White has already said we're gonna give it to Strickland,

1016
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: but they always favor the person who elects to stand

1017
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: up and then take the thing and then do them

1018
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: a solid. They always kind of tend to favor that

1019
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: for a Tom aspinall in the John Jones situation. But yes,

1020
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 4: which is the most what the fuck are they doing situation?

1021
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: It makes ever fucking make it is.

1022
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what compromat that John Jones

1023
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 4: has on Dana White for this the case. But the

1024
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: point I'm trying to make here is one thing that

1025
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: really considers, like we didn't think about DDP versus poets

1026
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 4: on I want to talk about in just a second.

1027
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: Something else that I felt like after Saturday was, Hey, listen,

1028
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: if Whittaker goes in there and blows the doors off Homsat,

1029
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 4: maybe he should be the guy. Do I really believe

1030
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: in his chances against DVP? I got to tell you,

1031
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I do anymore. I really, even after

1032
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: I get I know he got finished in like, oh,

1033
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: that's enough evidence, but like finishing him beating Strickland close,

1034
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: but beating Strickland finishing is he? I'm like, can Whitaker

1035
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: even get this job done? I don't even I don't,

1036
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: I don't know. I really don't know.

1037
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1038
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: Either, And it's crazy because, like I said, he has

1039
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 5: been nothing but good, but he didn't. I mean, he

1040
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: got beat pretty pretty badly in that Duplessy fight. So

1041
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: it's like, in a weird way, you're like, if you're

1042
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: looking at a rematch, it's the same thing. I think

1043
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 5: that you might if you held them both up rematches.

1044
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: I think the Strickland one would present more danger to him,

1045
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 5: you know, to Doubluss, don't you agree. I think if

1046
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 5: you looked at him in prospect, you'd be like, well, danger,

1047
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: I don't know, but like at risk of losing. Yeah,

1048
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 5: well that's what I meant, like risk of losing. Like

1049
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 5: I think that that would be the fight that would

1050
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 5: probably have the line like the you know, the the

1051
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: odds line closest, because it would be hard to predict.

1052
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: Excuse me, one other thing I want to went out here.

1053
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: This was a little bit true of is he not

1054
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: quite but a little bit true. It was a lot true.

1055
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: But it's even more true about Drickis. When is he

1056
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 4: was coming up and he was beating the Rob Wilkinsons

1057
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 4: right than Brad Tavares is of the world. There were

1058
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: lots of people being like, this guy's a fucking bomb,

1059
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: he's gonna lose, he's gonna he's gonna get exposed, and

1060
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: then he just kept winning all the way into the title.

1061
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: Drickis has kind of benefited a little bit because people,

1062
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 4: including me, I did it well well into the Whittaker fight,

1063
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: and I've since learned my lesson. But heading into that

1064
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: Whittaker fight, I'm like, this fucking guy, right, he's big

1065
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: and strong, but whatever, right, right, And so I don't

1066
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 4: think people have taken him seriously. But now that people

1067
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: are kind of forced to contend with that that he

1068
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: is this guy, I think there's gonna be a lot

1069
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: more examination about the details of his game and a

1070
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: lot more examination about the mechanics of why then the

1071
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: realities but why he wins. And that's gonna put a

1072
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: target on his back in a way where now you're

1073
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 4: going to really see him audited, maybe not by the

1074
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: best competition. That's there's a de bit about that, but

1075
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: I just want to point that out.

1076
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: Like he has benefited from the fact like, oh, that goofball,

1077
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 5: I know he ain't gonna do shit, and then he

1078
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 5: just now he's here and you're like, well, maybe he's

1079
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: not a fucking goofball anymore, you know, And I mean

1080
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Speaker 5: you know how you know revisionist MMA audience is like,

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Speaker 5: if he were to lose the next one, you know,

1082
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Speaker 5: whoever he fights, he just loses, maybe he gets knocked out.

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Speaker 5: I think people would actually go back to that a

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Speaker 5: little bit. They would one go back especially came in

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Speaker 5: kind of charging the thing we're talking about in Boom,

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Speaker 5: he gets hit and just collapses. I mean people would

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Speaker 5: be like, woll, he's reckless. He got by with it

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Speaker 5: for a while. You know, yeah, you know that's going

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Speaker 5: to happen if if he gets knocked out. I actually

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Speaker 5: love the idea of him fighting Poeton. I actually think

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Speaker 5: it's a very compelling file fiver. Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Drikis spoke to the media about this very question about

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Speaker 4: whether he would fight him and if it's if so,

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Speaker 4: at what weight class.

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Speaker 1: This is what he said.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, I know, danel Whaite said that Sean Strickland deserved

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Speaker 7: the next tail shop. I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 7: the Alex Preira post that he wants to trop back

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Speaker 7: down the middle way too, with you sitting in front

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00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 7: of like you getting the belt tonight.

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Speaker 2: What do you want next for your career?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: What I want next is whatever they give me out

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00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 8: to be honest, you know, I honestly don't think Alex

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00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 8: for her should drop down to one eighty five if

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00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 8: he wants to great, perfect, But then we're going to

1107
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 8: hear the excuses. I saw what we saw easy stiff

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 8: that man in the first round. I felt easy sponging

1109
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Speaker 8: ball tonight. If that you know, easy is great timing,

1110
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 8: he's fast, he's long, and he has great combinations. But

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Speaker 8: I felt about if he's stiff, is he puts you

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00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 8: stiffens you like that? You do not want to be

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Speaker 8: in there with me, especially not when you're going to

1114
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 8: come in there with the excuses. Now I cut too

1115
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 8: much weight. That's going to happen. Everybody's going to say,

1116
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 8: that's a stay or two five. Fight your fight against

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00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 8: the number seven rank guy, Oh number eight, okay?

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00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: Cool? Well, I mean fight your fight there and enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Let me.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if strickment is the next fight, the people

1121
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Speaker 8: want to see that fight, that's the fight that people

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Speaker 8: want to see him.

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Speaker 1: That's the fight right now that people.

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Speaker 8: Think is the best next best guy, then it's the

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Speaker 8: fight that I want. So let me handle my business.

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Speaker 8: You handle your business. You don't have to cut the

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Speaker 8: way to you have some sort of excuse. I'll come

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Speaker 8: up after the streatment fight. I'll come up to two

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Speaker 8: o five and we'll sort it out there.

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Speaker 1: Gotta tell you so much to got to tell you.

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Speaker 4: I love the idea of Drinckis at two o five,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not I'm not making any predictions right now.

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00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: I have to think about they ever made it, about

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Speaker 4: who would win. Do I think that Drickis can beat

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00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: Poeton at two oh five? I absolutely do think he could.

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00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: I absolutely think he could. Guys, look at how physical

1137
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Speaker 4: he is. You're gonna give him, You're gonna bump him

1138
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Speaker 4: up twenty pounds. And I'm sorry, but Polton's wrestling is

1139
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Speaker 4: extremely untested. This guy, I think prefers it that way. Yeah,

1140
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 4: I think that they do. We'll have a conversation about

1141
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: that later. But I'm just pointing out like this idea,

1142
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Speaker 4: like yeah, on the feet, might he get thumped, Yeah,

1143
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: he might get thumped, But the well roundedness, the physicality

1144
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: of it is so fucking dumb to keep dismissing this guy.

1145
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Speaker 5: Dude, it's but The greatest thing too, is like he's

1146
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: we were talking about, like him kind of psychologically steering things.

1147
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: You just did it like you're just watching him do

1148
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 5: it in real time. You're gonna get into somebody's skin

1149
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 5: and really plant the seeds for something. That's the way

1150
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 5: to do it right, like he was doing it. But

1151
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 5: that's pretty masterful. Off number seven.

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Speaker 1: Sorry we're hearing it's actually gonna break even better. I

1153
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: love it this guy.

1154
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: It's very subtly like just jabbing even when he's you know,

1155
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: it's just he's he's always doing that.

1156
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Speaker 1: By the way, we got to get to something else here.

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Speaker 1: I just want to bring this up Long Island, Luke.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the fucking cornerman that Dricks brought to

1159
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Speaker 4: the cage on Saturday?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the rugby guys, they were huge, So I want.

1161
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Speaker 4: You to google this while I do this. DK read

1162
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Speaker 4: the guy. There was two guys. One was a black

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Speaker 4: eye was white guy. I don't know who they are,

1164
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: but I know the white guy's name. He was the

1165
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Speaker 4: biggest of the two. His name is et Zabeth something

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Speaker 4: et z e beth b e t h huh. I

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Speaker 4: look this guy's stats up. He's six foot nine.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 4: These guys, these countries that are good at rugby and

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Speaker 4: like the guys who would play in our NBA or NFL,

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Speaker 4: they put them into the fucking rugby pipeline. They are

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Speaker 4: the most intimidating motherfuckers. They were doing fist poses and

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Speaker 4: they looked like drick As was a make a wish

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Speaker 4: kid next to like a real professional athlete.

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Speaker 5: It would never be able to cut down to two

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Speaker 5: sixty five. I was like, who the fuck is this guy?

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Speaker 5: Do you have a picture of him? You're getting it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get it in a second.

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Speaker 4: do you have that picture. Yet he's getting it up.

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Speaker 3: Give me a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you a couple of minutes. Um, okay, Chuck.

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Speaker 4: With that in mind, then let's do this here. I'm

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Speaker 1: God damn it.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the co main event here

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Speaker 4: if we can just a little bit, all right, and

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Speaker 4: then we'll get to this picture of this guy. All right,

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Speaker 4: let's do. Let's do topic number three. Kai Kara France

1219
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: Chuck Blue the goddamn doors off of Steve Urseg after

1220
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Speaker 4: a long layoff he had concussion issues. Remember, supposed to

1221
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: fight Mi no cop Yeah, and that whole thing. It

1222
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: was course on Saturday's comine event. There is not a

1223
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Speaker 4: ton of discussion to be had about the flyweight division,

1224
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: but there is some, so we should have it, which

1225
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: is does this make kai Kara France the prohibitive next

1226
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: title contender at one five?

1227
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great performance. That's okay.

1228
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: Now you're looking at like you're doing the MMA math

1229
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 5: where you're like, well ersek just got a shot after

1230
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: three fights in the UC, gets one knockout over Schnell

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00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 5: and ends up fighting Pantosia for the belt in Brazil. Well,

1232
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 5: you just beat the guy, you know what I mean,

1233
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 5: Like you beat Urk who was put in that spot

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00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 5: in some way, You're like that makes sense. Even though

1235
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 5: he had a couple of losses when of them was

1236
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: a split decision, but he had a couple of losses

1237
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: before this, meaning Kay car France, I think a name

1238
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 5: value and this, this division, to me than any other division,

1239
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 5: feels like such a dealer's choice.

1240
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: It just whoever the USC kind of wants to go with.

1241
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1242
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like you can dealer's choice all

1243
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: the time. It always you're right.

1244
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 5: It's more and more so more so in this division,

1245
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 5: this division, I feel like we could, you know, we

1246
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 5: could say all this stuff and they'll pick the eighth guy,

1247
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 5: like the eighth rank guy and throw him in there,

1248
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: and you'd be like, oh, I guess that's who they're

1249
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 5: going with. Like Erseg made no sense for the title shot.

1250
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 5: They just needed an event. And it's kind of strange

1251
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: because it this thing to me always ties into you

1252
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 5: have Albosi, but you have guys like Muhammed right, like

1253
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: Makaia and like he was out there as a young

1254
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 5: guy that had a name and at least a little

1255
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 5: buzz but he's now not even in this running. And

1256
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 5: if you take all that into account, and I'm like, well,

1257
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 5: Kaikr France has a name, he has some big wins

1258
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 5: in his career. I think that you could look at

1259
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 5: him and say, like, yes, it's justifiable to put him

1260
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 5: into that, especially after this performance.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how that fight would look, I thought,

1262
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: because he's.

1263
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 5: A really good counter punchers and uh and once he

1264
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 5: kind of dials in, he's very he's very precise striker

1265
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 5: that might pay dividends. But he took all of that

1266
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 5: out of it. Man, he looked he looked like a

1267
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 5: buzz saw in there.

1268
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: I mean, just look at these rankings, right, which I

1269
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: don't know what the value of them is anymore, but

1270
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 4: they provide at least some kind of arrangement. Yeah, so

1271
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: you've got Pantoja as the champion. He's looking for someone.

1272
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: They gave erseg that fight. I mean, I can just

1273
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 4: tell you they gave that fight because they were they

1274
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: were desperate for someone the headline, so they needed that.

1275
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: That's why he got it. Not that he's not good

1276
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: even with this loss. He still quite good, but obviously

1277
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: that was why they did it. Okay, so number one

1278
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 4: ran contenders, Brendan Royville. We've already been there. He could

1279
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 4: get back there, yeah, but he would not be the

1280
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 4: obvious one. Then there's Brandon Moreno similar kind of situation,

1281
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 4: taking time off right like exactly which he needed to.

1282
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 4: I don't have any objections with that. Three is a

1283
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: mere al Bosi Now, that to me is the interesting one.

1284
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: He's been off for some time, so I don't know

1285
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: exactly what his availability is, but he would be a

1286
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: very viable candidate, and I think.

1287
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Speaker 5: He has the victory right over Kai car France. If

1288
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: you're doing it in any kind of logical way, you'd.

1289
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: Look at that. Albasi's legit. Yeah.

1290
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 4: Then there's kay Car France, France whatever. And then below

1291
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: that you got him coming up in a fight. Tesser

1292
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: Retire's got a fight coming up. Then there's brez or Se,

1293
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 4: Nicolau Cop and Tim Elliott. Okay, it has to be

1294
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: Kai Car France, I think, so it has to be

1295
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: who else would it even be at this point?

1296
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 5: I mean, was Pantosia like kind of like teasing out, Oh,

1297
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 5: he's got the picture. Was he teasing out though, like

1298
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: real quickly, was he teasing out that he had like

1299
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: a special like there's gonna be an announcement about his fight.

1300
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 5: My son had brought this up, and I'm not one

1301
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 5: hundred percent sure if it's.

1302
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Accurate, but I don't recall.

1303
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 5: But I was like, unless they have like an ace

1304
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 5: up their sleeve, and I don't know what that would

1305
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 5: be be, you know, who would it be like they're

1306
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 5: bringing back Demetris Johnson or something. But I'm like, unless

1307
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 5: they're going to do something drastic from the outside that

1308
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: we can't see, I think Kay car France makes the

1309
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 5: most sense.

1310
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: What went wrong for Steve versago on Saturday.

1311
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 5: Part of it, man, is like he's one of those

1312
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 5: guys that I think the title shot actually kind of

1313
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 5: detoured a natural trajectory for him.

1314
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so glad you said this so seriously.

1315
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I think it threw him into a,

1316
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 5: you know, a situation that was big and he had

1317
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 5: to kind of I mean, there were a whole promo

1318
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 5: packages they were putting together to familiarize the audience to

1319
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 5: Steve Verse, and it was just one of these weird

1320
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 5: things that was a tough gig, but now it was

1321
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 5: a three months later, three and a half months later,

1322
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 5: he shows up in a still a very escalated kind

1323
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 5: of way against a guy like Kay Carl Franz, not

1324
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 5: getting a like a soft landing here, Like he had

1325
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 5: to fight a guy who is very good and has

1326
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: tons of veteran experience, and it kind of showed. Man,

1327
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if it's just that he was

1328
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 5: too you know, overwhelmed. He's like, this is all he's

1329
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 5: drinking out of the.

1330
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Fire hose or whatever.

1331
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: That old probably, but it's like, I'm not sure it's

1332
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: something like that where it's it's all coming so fast.

1333
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 5: But he looked like, you know, he just he was

1334
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 5: he was kind of starting to dial in with the

1335
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 5: striking a little bit, but just looked like he.

1336
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Was overmatched overall.

1337
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 5: It just looked like he was he wasn't gonna be

1338
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 5: able to hang long term in that fight.

1339
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: I had a bit of a different read, which was

1340
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 4: I fully agree. First of all, the Pantogia fight was brutal,

1341
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 4: and it was only three months ago.

1342
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: You get there. It was late may. I know, that's

1343
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: a little more than thirty right one.

1344
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically let's see, so there's end of June, end

1345
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: of July, end of August. Yeah, basically three fucking months

1346
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 4: or a brutal fight. That is a very quick turnaround.

1347
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 4: So I didn't like that at all. The other part, though,

1348
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 4: was he he was still he's a very talented guy,

1349
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 4: and I do still think he has very very good boxing. Yeah,

1350
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: but if you mess up somebody's to your point natural

1351
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: order of development, it causes all kinds of downstream problems.

1352
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: He was backing up straight.

1353
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say his head was super high up,

1354
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: but his hand was kind of loose here, and kay,

1355
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: car Frantz is just gonna feast on a guy like that.

1356
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: That is a technical level error that he should not

1357
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: be making. Backing up straight with his hands not in

1358
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: a proper, proper position. It was a hell of a

1359
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: knockout because.

1360
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: Then you go because your momentum is carrying that baude,

1361
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, which is a common thing.

1362
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean the point being is like, look

1363
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 4: at the optics of it, where you're flying back and

1364
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: then your head rattles and you go back like that.

1365
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: Just a really, really kind of terrible moment. If I

1366
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: were him, you had two tough ass fights. These are

1367
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 4: not bad fighters. He lost to you lost good fighters. However,

1368
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 4: it's time for a time out. I would not touch

1369
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: the octagon the rest of the year, and probably not

1370
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: to even second quarter of twenty twenty five.

1371
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Oceani has really kind of taken it on the chin recently.

1372
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Like a we were talking about it was a Keywi

1373
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: fighter who won.

1374
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 5: I mean, but I mean well true, but I mean

1375
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 5: like in terms of you know, you're just thinking about

1376
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 5: some of the prospects from the area, and then the

1377
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 5: and the former champions. You know, is he Bulk and

1378
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 5: or Sega, like guys who are you know what I mean? Yeah,

1379
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 5: because for just a minute it was just a you know,

1380
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 5: a hot white flame coming off of their like everybody

1381
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 5: seemed like they're winning and we were spotlighting them so

1382
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 5: so huge.

1383
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: You know, although I will say between.

1384
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: ADCC and c j I, Australia and UH in particular

1385
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: New Zealand had a lot of very very good competitors.

1386
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: We have that picture. So what's this dude's name?

1387
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 4: This is this was the guy that was in Drinkis's

1388
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: Corner's name is et Sabeth. Look at the fucking size

1389
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: of this mutant that's crazy, man, Dude, this guy plays

1390
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: fucking rugby. Can you imagine him running downhill on you?

1391
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 4: What the fuck?

1392
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: You don't want to mess with you don't want to

1393
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: mess with his camp, you know what I mean?

1394
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: Like, look at that, Look at these guys. Look at

1395
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: the size of his fist.

1396
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 4: It's like, a dude, it's almost as big as Rickis's

1397
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 4: big ass melon. Is that not It's like long Island. Luke,

1398
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: Are you not just blown away by the size of

1399
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: this freak?

1400
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I was marveling at him over the weekend

1401
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: due a freaking name.

1402
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: I feel like a deuce Bigelow, male, Jiggelow. That's a

1403
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: huge bitch, right, is this guy legit? Training with him? Like,

1404
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1405
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: So these guys are just like so the the national

1406
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: rugby team of South Africa.

1407
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: They're called the spring Box. Okay.

1408
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 4: You might have seen that movie Invincible with Matt Damon,

1409
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 4: No where Matt Damon has to play a guy from

1410
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: South Africa, which it's a fine movie, I guess, throw

1411
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 4: on a plane, But there at the Phantom Menace is like, well,

1412
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: the Phantom Menace is the Phantom Menace is it's just

1413
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 4: for the it's for the stupidest people alive. That's who

1414
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: it's for.

1415
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: I love it. It's dude.

1416
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 4: The Phantom Menace is a litmus test. Are you do

1417
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 4: you have traumatic brain injury or do you not? That's

1418
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 4: really the only lesson that you can take from that

1419
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: that Black and White.

1420
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: Have you seen that movie? It's the worst movie ever made.

1421
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: It's the worst. Jar Jar saves it. But yeah, you're

1422
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: saying I want to drown him with your hands.

1423
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: But the point I'm trying to make here is I

1424
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: guess the spring Box had beaten uh the what?

1425
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: What's the Australian team, the Wallabies?

1426
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I should know this, but.

1427
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 4: That's the one that Uh yeah, isn't your fucking dad

1428
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: from that country?

1429
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's in.

1430
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: He's a footy guy, not a rugby guy. Come on

1431
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: from Victoria, big footy state. New South Wales is a

1432
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: big rugby state. You know.

1433
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 4: I just associated rugby with all the motherfuckers same anyway.

1434
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 4: That put them on one more time, dude, look at

1435
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 4: the fucking look at the fucking lunch pale hands on

1436
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: this giganty human. What's his last name? His first name

1437
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: is Etzabeth. What's his last name?

1438
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: No, his last name is Actuallysabeth's first name is Eben.

1439
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: Eden Eden Eben. Do they got weird ass names in

1440
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: South Africa, don't they? They got those Afrikaan names, you

1441
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 4: know what I mean?

1442
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Uh?

1443
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 4: And who's the other gentleman? He's also gotten fist the

1444
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: size of fucking the moon.

1445
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could find that out.

1446
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: He also plays on the spring box, okay, or he

1447
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: is a Springbok whatever the hell would the problem?

1448
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: Did these guys train him in a like? Why are

1449
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: they just as buddies?

1450
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean, if they did, they'd be champions tomorrow if

1451
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: you can get down too, Like you're talking about a

1452
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 4: level of athlete.

1453
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: That is three to fifteen division for that one. Yeah, no, ship, dude.

1454
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 4: I remember MMA when I first started watching, I remember

1455
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 4: Icon Sport and over in Hawaii they would have super

1456
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 4: heavyweight fights all the time.

1457
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: That used to be a real division and then they

1458
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: got rid of it.

1459
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 4: All right, let's get back to the rundown here very quickly,

1460
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: if we can. Let's go to question number four here,

1461
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: Chuck Benden Hall, Dan Hooker somehow, I mean, if you

1462
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 4: want to talk about the grittiest performance over the weekend,

1463
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 4: dreg has had a nice one. I think Dan Hooker

1464
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: had a better one in terms of the grittiness of it.

1465
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 4: He turned back the clock and beat a smothering mat

1466
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 4: tell you sh gamrot. Okay, A, how surprising was this?

1467
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: And B this is probably going to push him at

1468
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: or close to the top five. What fight makes the

1469
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: most sense. Let's talk about the fight in just a minute. Okay,

1470
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: your reaction to him beating a guy that most of

1471
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: us thought was not even remotely possible.

1472
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: I can't even begin to understand his kind of resurrection

1473
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: on this, say, because he lost those four out of five.

1474
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 5: And we've seen this kind of thing before with fighters

1475
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 5: who are pretty good, maybe not great, but very good,

1476
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: put on a show and then they start losing fights

1477
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 5: and you're like, well, this is kind of how they

1478
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 5: spiral out. Eventually, he'll just be at the UFC. It's

1479
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 5: like one of those type of things. I kind of,

1480
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 5: I admit I buried him. I was like I thought

1481
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 5: he was on that track. You know, you lose the

1482
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 5: Spidi fight. There are very good fighters he was losing to.

1483
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 5: All of them are like huge names, you know, Islam, Poorrier,

1484
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 5: you know those types of names. But to resurrect was

1485
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 5: one thing to kind of win a couple of fights. Okay,

1486
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 5: that's one thing. It was a nice thing. It put

1487
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 5: him back into a spot like this, But I thought

1488
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 5: this was a this is where all of any renewed

1489
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 5: hype goes to die. You fight a guy like Gamrod.

1490
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 5: He kind of fits through trajector of the guys who'd

1491
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 5: already beat Hooker, right Like, once he meets those guys

1492
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 5: at that level, they usually beat him. So I was

1493
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 5: kind of if I had to have picked the lock

1494
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 5: on this card, I was going to pick Gamrod.

1495
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: I thought that he was that good.

1496
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 5: I thought his style would overwhelm Hooker, and it just

1497
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 5: didn't happen, man, And it was kind of shocking. I

1498
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 5: think the way the fight went down, though, it's almost

1499
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 5: pooresque against Ben Wile Saint Denis in the sense that

1500
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, it looks like it's going one way and

1501
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 5: then it starts to turn. You like, is Hooker in

1502
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 5: this fight? You know, you're like kind of wondering is

1503
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: he gonna be able to turn this around? He has

1504
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 5: that moment in between rounds where he's just like laughing

1505
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 5: and bleeding and saying I love this shit, or whatever

1506
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 5: he's saying. I mean, it's kind of an iconic turn,

1507
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 5: isn't it. And then he wins the fight. It's it's

1508
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 5: it's funny than in a space of fifteen minutes, you

1509
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 5: can achieve a kind of cult status again, maybe higher

1510
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 5: than he ever has in the UFC.

1511
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: I think that's so well stated.

1512
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: And also for me, it's like, dude, remember he had

1513
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 4: more than this, but he's had at least two fights

1514
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 4: that were brutal. Oh yeah, so the Dustin Poorier fight

1515
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: was brutal, the edsen Borboza beating people.

1516
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: Forget that.

1517
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 4: You had Daniel Cormier, believe commentating that fight, begging the

1518
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 4: referee on air.

1519
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: It's stopping.

1520
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 4: I remember that because he was getting crushed and for

1521
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 4: him to still be relevant, by the way, not just

1522
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: beating a tough guy, but this whole time he was like,

1523
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 4: who whoever you want in there? Anybody? I just want

1524
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 4: to be on this card. These are like a guy

1525
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 4: who's long in the tooth. They were trying to kill him,

1526
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 4: kill him off in that sites, right, the guy who's

1527
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 4: long in the tooth, who's had some bad beatings. So

1528
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 4: you kind of feel like, well, we know his level

1529
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: it's good, but you know, it's it's got some limits.

1530
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 4: And then I'll take a fight on short notice, and

1531
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 4: then you're fighting a guy who's like the king of

1532
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 4: smothering and you fucking win. It is It's like, oh

1533
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 4: my god, how is this even possible. I will also

1534
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 4: say that he didn't have.

1535
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 5: A problem though with the decision, like in terms of

1536
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 5: like did you think gam one?

1537
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 4: I know some people thought he did, but listen, this

1538
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 4: is a very close fight. I think you could have

1539
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: had it either way. I don't have I kind of

1540
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 4: leaned a little bit more gam Rock, but I really

1541
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: have zero issues. That's the zero issue. I have no

1542
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 4: problem whatsoever at all with the with the way it

1543
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 4: was run. And also, like you know, the the judging

1544
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: in there, Ben Carl Ben Cartilage was one of the judges.

1545
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 4: I think he's one of the best ones in the world,

1546
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 4: if not the best. And you know, if you just

1547
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 4: look at his body of work, it's pretty clear that

1548
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 4: he's gonna value any kind of striking damage or meaningful

1549
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 4: grappling more than just control time. But it also kind

1550
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 4: of gets to another part of the story, Chuck, Yeah,

1551
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: which is the Tayo Shamrot has had a lot of

1552
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 4: these kinds of fights where he got beat up more

1553
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 4: in this one, although his hands looked pretty good too.

1554
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he did.

1555
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: But he's had a lot of these ones where he

1556
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: like kind of eked it out or just a little

1557
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 4: bit ahead, because he's a very, very dynamic wrestler. But

1558
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not gonna say he got his come

1559
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 4: up and that's not the right word, but he might

1560
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 4: have been due for one. And I want to point

1561
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 4: out something too, Hooker going for those guillotine jokes forcing

1562
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 4: him to go back down. He didn't out wrestle Gamrod,

1563
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: but he definitely out technique. To me, he definitely had

1564
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 4: a better answer that speaks to the judges that forces

1565
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 4: a reaction like I mean, the judging was close or

1566
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: the scoring was going to be close, but Gamrot has

1567
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: been kind of playing with fire. Finally you got a

1568
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 4: guy who doesn't give a fuck at all, and it's clever.

1569
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: It's clever. He had clever answers. This is not the

1570
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 4: first time we've ever seen them in MMA, but I

1571
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 4: was applied to Gamrock and he didn't really have an

1572
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 4: answer for it. So weird man, because Gamron, if you'd

1573
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 4: said and I meant most most predicted that you know,

1574
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 4: he was going to win this fight.

1575
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: He was a huge betting favorite.

1576
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 5: But if you'd seen it, if you've seen the first

1577
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 5: round and you see Gamrock get up on the scorecards,

1578
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 5: essentially you'd be like, this is going to just follow

1579
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 5: a pattern almost, you know, because he's that kind of fighter.

1580
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 5: You know, he may not finish you, but he's just

1581
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 5: going to do the same thing. He's just going to

1582
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 5: peek out the rounds like you're mentioning he'd be thirty

1583
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 5: twenty seven. It's kind of crazy that he wasn't able

1584
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: to do that, Like he was just prevented from doing that.

1585
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 5: Plus that crowd was nuts, man, Like it looked very strange,

1586
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 5: like it looks smaller like that that arena. But when

1587
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 5: he was fighting, every single time Hooker with throw was

1588
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 5: just like theokaff and he was like boom. They was

1589
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 5: just you know, loud, and I was like, this is

1590
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 5: nuts man. So it must have been like a little

1591
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 5: bit of a HITCHCOCKI and Vertigo moment for Gamrock because

1592
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 5: I think it started going south and he didn't know

1593
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 5: what to do with it, Like he just kind of.

1594
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: Tried to persevere probably thought. He probably thought he had it.

1595
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 5: But in the end, man, it's just that's how it goes, right,

1596
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 5: Like a close fight, it goes either way.

1597
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: All right?

1598
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: So who does he fight next? There's been a couple

1599
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 4: of names suggested. The big one was Charles Olavera. You

1600
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: could do Dan Brooker versus Charles Olivera. I'll say this.

1601
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 4: He had kind of indicated an interview with Oscar Willis

1602
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: from The Mac Life that there's going to be a

1603
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: Sydney card in February, so potentially he'll be back on there.

1604
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 4: So you have to ask yourself who was willing to

1605
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 4: travel to Sydney to fight Dan Hooker. I don't know

1606
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 4: the answer to that.

1607
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 5: It would have to be somebody under him then I

1608
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 5: would think in the rank maybe maybe would depend, But

1609
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what you could do.

1610
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: This is the interesting part.

1611
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: He had kind of faded outside of the top I

1612
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 4: think certainly the top five. And where's he ranked right now?

1613
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: So Dan Hooker currently sits as it stands this moment,

1614
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 4: Dan Hooker is sitting at number eleven, so he's fallen

1615
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 4: outside the top ten.

1616
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: He says, up tomorrow though they'll update that.

1617
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 4: I think this is the number as of still fried essentially,

1618
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: but he's going to be back. Either are pretty close

1619
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: to it. Well, now you're around the Chandlers and you're

1620
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 4: around the Poortier, right, so you could do Poarier again,

1621
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 4: you could do Olavera. Here's my vote, Dan Hooker, Justin Gagee.

1622
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 4: I saw you say this, Yeah, where are you on this?

1623
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 4: I love that fight because.

1624
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 5: I think Justin Gage's had a part in his career

1625
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 5: that's sort of the same way, like so that I

1626
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 5: mean obviously, like you're looking at two guys who think differently,

1627
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 5: right right, just put him in front of him, let's go.

1628
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 5: I think they would accommodate each other one hundred percent,

1629
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 5: like Geegee does with everybody. And I think that that's

1630
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 5: that's a great Hooker fight, like too, Like I think

1631
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 5: that it would make a lot of sense.

1632
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: He seems so open to it. I'm like, I was

1633
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: thinking about this man.

1634
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 5: I was like, he really does fit the bill of

1635
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 5: like the BMF, like whatever that is, right, Like you're

1636
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 5: like the BMF when you talk about that. He kind

1637
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 5: of fits the bill because he's just put me in there.

1638
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 5: All four, I'll go to war, get me bleed, and

1639
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 5: get my hair pink, you know, with his new hair,

1640
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 5: it's like any of the stuff. Like, I feel like

1641
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 5: he's that guy. So they could plug him into a

1642
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 5: situation like that, I'd be fine with it. But he

1643
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 5: mentioned and I was like, it's everybody always mentions CONNORMCG.

1644
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 5: But I'm like, let's say that he like, either he

1645
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 5: fights Michael Chandler, because Michael Chandler's kind of left on

1646
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 5: this endless loop of waiting for McGregor. That could work.

1647
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 5: But if he was going to somehow get that McGregor fight,

1648
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 5: I could see why this would be an appealing fight

1649
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 5: for Connor McGregor. You know, it's a guy who will

1650
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 5: stand in trade with him and maybe play to his

1651
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 5: strengths a little bit more than like maybe it's maybe

1652
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 5: Chandler maybe, But I'm like, uh, I feel like Dan

1653
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 5: Hooker's kind of got He's in that weird space now

1654
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 5: because he put on such an iconic performance here that

1655
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:34,959
Speaker 5: all of them sound.

1656
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: Good, right. I think I would go with Geegee.

1657
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 5: Ultimately, if I was choosing, I'd probably go with Geegee.

1658
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 5: I just think that that's like can't missfight, Like that'd

1659
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 5: be a can't miss action fight.

1660
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 4: There's no wrong answer, that's true. It's just a function

1661
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 4: of what the UFC wants to do with those guys

1662
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 4: on what dates, for what purpose. But you literally cannot

1663
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 4: go wrong with any of them.

1664
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that it's like it's we've seen

1665
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 5: a little bit of it this year. Like guys, you

1666
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: were mentioning, oh, this is before we were taping, but

1667
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 5: we were talking about, like you know, what are you

1668
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 5: gonna do with Izzy next?

1669
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, you do you put him in

1670
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: like against.

1671
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 5: A guy like bo Nickel, like make him like the

1672
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 5: guy who you know, it becomes like the stepping you know,

1673
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 5: you're a step in stone for this other guy to

1674
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 5: get up there.

1675
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: I feel like they've tried.

1676
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 5: To do this, like Ben while Saint Denis with Dustin Pooria,

1677
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 5: they kind of a little bit maybe within this gamra

1678
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 5: like well let's give him a you know, a guy

1679
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 5: here he can get through and then we'll talk about

1680
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 5: the more serious fight, you know, And it keeps backfiring. Man,

1681
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 5: It's unusual, isn't it. Like it's unusual that these veterans

1682
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 5: are sort of like, Nope, I'm gonna draw on the

1683
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 5: line in the sand, and they keeps there. They're winning

1684
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 5: these fights. So we've seen it a few times this year,

1685
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I feel like it's, uh,

1686
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 5: he's kind of in a great spot for that. I

1687
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 5: think once you go through that the moment they're trying

1688
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 5: to kind of like feed you to somebody, and you

1689
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 5: beat that.

1690
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: Guy, it puts you into the great spot.

1691
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 5: So if they I heard that, I think somebody had

1692
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 5: mentioned that Dana was looking at Charles Oliver. If that's

1693
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 5: the case, you're kind of giving him an upward trajectory.

1694
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 5: Even if he's at five or six, You're still fighting

1695
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 5: guy now, who's what two or three?

1696
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: Yea.

1697
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 5: So if he's if he wants that, if he's interested

1698
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 5: in that, great, if he beats Charles Lavera, how far

1699
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 5: are you away from a title? She would have to

1700
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 5: be right there, right, which is just that would be

1701
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 5: mindful unthinkable on Friday, unthinkable. Dan Hook wouldver be in

1702
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 5: a position. I mean, after he lost four out of five,

1703
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 5: if you said, hey, if he's four fights away from

1704
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 5: a title shot, he's just gonna win all these fights,

1705
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 5: that would be ridiculous. Nobody would believe that impossible, And

1706
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 5: yet here we are.

1707
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 4: I know he spoke to Daniel Cormier after the fight,

1708
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 4: and he is jazzed up about what he wants next.

1709
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: This is what he said, Damn, you're gonna be in

1710
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: the top five. That was a big victory. Who do

1711
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: you want next?

1712
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: Look, I mean now, I want to move bah bah,

1713
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: I want to be a meg.

1714
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 9: I want to coll Or McGregor, I want to I want.

1715
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: A title and I want everything.

1716
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 6: Mama.

1717
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: What a phenomenal performance players a gentleman.

1718
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 3: Give it up for the hangman.

1719
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 4: Damn, that's as That's as high as you can be

1720
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 4: on drugs without being high on drugs, you know what

1721
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 4: I mean. Your brain chemistry is just being tsunamied by adrenaline,

1722
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 4: and that's what you're seeing right there.

1723
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 5: Dude, I don't know how he keeps that going. Like

1724
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 5: his whole face is swollen, his eyes are swollen shut.

1725
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 5: You know, he's bleeding, and I mean he was even

1726
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 5: doing that between the rounds. It's just it's crazy.

1727
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: Man.

1728
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 5: If any if ever there's a guy like there are

1729
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 5: certain guys in the sport who communicate the high of

1730
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 5: cage fighting or just fighting in general in a way

1731
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 5: that others can't.

1732
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: That that's what happened. Speaking of which this is him.

1733
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: Between rounds that moment, he was like, I love that.

1734
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: This is great. That's wild. I mean if he if

1735
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't go into sports, that's a guy. Like I'm

1736
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: not saying he is a bad guy.

1737
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying if he wanted to be a serial killer,

1738
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 4: he's got he's got some of the makeup for it, you.

1739
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1740
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,480
Speaker 5: Man, You imagine getting into like a bar scrap sometimes

1741
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 5: and you see some sadistic son of a bitch like

1742
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 5: who smiling after you hit him with everything you have,

1743
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 5: I would be like, why, well, out of all the

1744
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 5: guys you could fight, you know, Yeah, I mean there

1745
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 5: are some people who just love it.

1746
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: They just love it.

1747
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 4: Tells me how hard Michael Chandler hit him, Yeah, because

1748
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 4: it kind of folded him in that way, and that

1749
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 4: normally even nuts and Barboza had to kind of beat

1750
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 4: him accumulatively, you know what I mean too, or had

1751
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,440
Speaker 4: to beat him up accumulatively.

1752
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: It's crazy with.

1753
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 5: These guys too, man, Like like you mentioned Barbosa, I

1754
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 5: think that sometimes you look at these like barbos has

1755
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 5: been in a ton of wars, you know, like and

1756
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 5: he'd just.

1757
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: Be sitting you stuff you can't even believe it, I know.

1758
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: And it's like, you see these guys and there's so

1759
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: many wars.

1760
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 5: And we've talked about the old welterweight division where the

1761
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 5: buzz saw that was Robbie Lawler, and how they were

1762
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 5: just altering each other's lives. So every time somebody fought,

1763
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 5: you know, Johnny Hendrix would get up there, whoever it is,

1764
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 5: and they would just come out in a different form.

1765
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 5: Rory McDonald was never the same. You know these things.

1766
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 5: But I feel like some of these guys, like in

1767
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 5: this lightweight division, are like this. They're just eating each

1768
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 5: other to pulps and loving it and doing it again

1769
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 5: and again. It's just crazy, man. I don't think we've

1770
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 5: ever seen this level of destruction within the within the division.

1771
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. On the one hand, I am

1772
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: quite worried about his long term health. On the other hand,

1773
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: it's like.

1774
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 4: Very few guys embody warhorse better than Dan Hooker. Yeah,

1775
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 4: you know, that's pretty remarkable, all right, Last, but not

1776
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: least for topic number five here, Chuck Minden Hall, let's

1777
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 4: talk about tay To Ivasa. Not a great look. He

1778
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,799
Speaker 4: loses his fifth straight fight in the UFC not fighting bombs,

1779
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 4: but five straights bad and it was a lackluster decision

1780
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 4: to Gyrozenio rosenstrike. Now there was controversy with the judging.

1781
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 4: We'll put that aside for just a second. Let me

1782
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: ask it this way. After five consecutive losses, he's at

1783
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 4: thirty one years of age. Is there any fix for

1784
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 4: what ails tay to Evasa?

1785
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 5: You know, man, you tell me too, because in a

1786
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 5: weird way, he reminds me of Mark Hunt when when

1787
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: the UFC inherited Mark Hunt, you know from the from

1788
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 5: the Transact. He was on a losing streak and he

1789
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 5: was kind of like a guy that you're like, probably

1790
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 5: wouldn't be on the roster, but he kind of had

1791
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 5: a little bit of a cult following people like, you know,

1792
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 5: people are behind him, and he started to win, which

1793
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 5: is kind of crazy. Can so we have also do that? Yes,

1794
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 5: because he's in a division where his power, if he's

1795
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 5: able to land, it will translate. But the problem is,

1796
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 5: and I think you could look at all five of

1797
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 5: his losses. I went back and looked at a couple

1798
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 5: of them. I mean, he's consistently outstruck most of the time,

1799
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 5: like double strikes you know, like where he's taking way

1800
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 5: more and he's doing it all so he can land something.

1801
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 5: It's exciting because you're like, well, this guy, he's like you,

1802
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 5: but you're you're doing the thing. Like I remember Dan

1803
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 5: Henderson saying, I don't want to be known for my chin.

1804
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 5: That means I'm getting beat up all the time. When

1805
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 5: people talk about how strength of his chin, it's almost

1806
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 5: like you're saying, well, this guy's a warrior.

1807
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: Man, he's a warrior.

1808
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 5: He gets in there and he's swings and we're just

1809
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 5: waiting for him to land the punch that will knock.

1810
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: The guy out.

1811
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 5: But it's he's getting out skilled in these fights, like

1812
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 5: these guys are you know, they're lighting up. Rosenstik was

1813
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 5: just outstriking him straight up, you know, And just I

1814
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 5: don't know he's gonna win a lot of fights. I

1815
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 5: appreciate that he's the shoeyes and all the things, but

1816
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's going to match up with the

1817
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 5: very best guys in the division. And even I realized

1818
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 5: there's probably a little bit of a smoking mirrors effect

1819
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 5: because he would won what five or six in a

1820
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 5: row before his his streak the other way and Uh,

1821
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 5: there's probably some smoking mirrors to that, like where he

1822
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 5: was getting a little lucky with some of the shots

1823
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 5: he landed and things like that, and persevering more than

1824
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 5: the other guy.

1825
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you do with him.

1826
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 5: I think in that division you could he could certainly

1827
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 5: give him another UFC fight, But I just I don't

1828
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 5: think that he's going to be able to turn around

1829
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 5: where he's at. I think he's he's a guy who

1830
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 5: he's trying really hard to land that big shot that'll

1831
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 5: end it and be like, you know, and kind of

1832
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 5: have the celebration, but he's not.

1833
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: Getting that easily.

1834
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 5: The guys are like Pavlovitch, the guys he's facing, they

1835
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 5: know what he can do, and they can piece him apart,

1836
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 5: you know, And that's that's the unfortunate part of this,

1837
01:16:59,400 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 5: you know.

1838
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 4: I go back to some of the you know, I'm

1839
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 4: not obviously is he is a massively decorated champion, but

1840
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 4: like one of the things that do think is a

1841
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 4: weakness of his is like there's not a lot of

1842
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 4: offense on the ground. Here's a case where if you

1843
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 4: had a reasonably well rounded heavyweight, they could have taken

1844
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 4: Rosen strike down and pounded him out like that's that's

1845
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 4: not something that he is not unaccustomed to facing that.

1846
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 4: He's thirty six years old, Like I know overhim kind

1847
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 4: of watched that, but he was having great success at

1848
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 4: it for the most part in that fight anyway. So

1849
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 4: it's like the very end, right till the very end,

1850
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 4: that was the fight that was Yeah. Yeah, But the

1851
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 4: point I'm trying to make is like, you know, like,

1852
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 4: could he take him down and have his way for

1853
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 4: a long stretches, Yes, of course. And this was only

1854
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 4: three round fight. That was a five round main event,

1855
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 4: so you know, all you have to do is back

1856
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 4: a couple of these rounds and you're you know, and

1857
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 4: then you can just you could he stand with Rosen strike, Yeah,

1858
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 4: he could stand with him, but he was getting picked apart.

1859
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing I go back to.

1860
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 4: If you learn how to fight in your formative years

1861
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 4: without correction very early as.

1862
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: A especially especially at heavyweight.

1863
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 4: As a bruiser, that is a very difficult thing to fix,

1864
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 4: very difficult thing to fix, because then you get thrust

1865
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 4: to the deep end and you're better than the guys

1866
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 4: you already beat, but you're not nearly good enough. To

1867
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 4: beat the other guys basically, right, and so you're in

1868
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 4: this in between space where you can't really do a lot.

1869
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 4: You don't have a second gear to wrestle or whatever.

1870
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: Going back to Dricis, like that changes a lot about

1871
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 4: his ability to fight on the ground. And then more

1872
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 4: to the point, like I actually feel like if you're

1873
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 4: trying to fix what ties up against, it wouldn't have

1874
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 4: been helpful in this fight because Rosen Strike was just

1875
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 4: kind of facing off with him, Like, look at Derek Lewis.

1876
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 4: Derek Lewis didn't really change his striking much. What did

1877
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 4: he add to his game? The ability to get up.

1878
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 4: That was a big portion of what he did, the

1879
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 4: ability to get up. Everyone wanted to wrestle him, right,

1880
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 4: but they didn't really change him as a striker too much.

1881
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 4: I felt like we have the put the tweet up

1882
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 4: if you can't al line on Luke where we have

1883
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 4: there is Taitoo Vasa saying, f what a sport. I

1884
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 4: put my all into this camp and didn't come away

1885
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 4: with the win. Big love to all my fans and

1886
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. He goes on from there, My bad

1887
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 4: love you all the real ones live to fight another day.

1888
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 4: Aussie fan, excuse me, I love you Kant best in

1889
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 4: the Bizzo seems to be taking it as well as

1890
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: one can. My point I'm trying to make here is

1891
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 4: it's got a lot of experience with it. Trying to

1892
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 4: turn that guy into somebody who jabs and sets off

1893
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 4: at an angle and is faking and fainting. You have

1894
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 4: to give him some of those tools. But if they

1895
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 4: learn how to fight a certain way as a heavyweight

1896
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 4: and a big heavyweight, and the die is cast, the

1897
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 4: die is cast, add tools around it, trying to reform

1898
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 4: it and retro fit it.

1899
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a little too little, too late.

1900
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't think he's interested, to be honest,

1901
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 4: Like you even think he was trying to fight in

1902
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 4: a more cerebral way. I thought he was trying to.

1903
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, but like I look at I was

1904
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 4: trying to think of anything.

1905
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 5: Maybe like in Narlovsky, right, who like suffered a bunch

1906
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 5: of knockouts when he was still kind of throwing caution

1907
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 5: in the win more in the divisions, you know, But

1908
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 5: then he just turns himself into a boring version of him.

1909
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1910
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 5: And there's just certain guys I don't think that they

1911
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 5: could accept it. Maybe if he was going to do it,

1912
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 5: it'd be like, okay, maybe for a single fight, But

1913
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think it's in his

1914
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 5: personality right to just try to add stuff that's more

1915
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 5: technical and to like piece apart, you know what I mean.

1916
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 5: I I don't think that's his personality. So I don't know,

1917
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 5: like that's really it sometimes comes down to that. Olovsky

1918
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 5: was able to do it to an extent and like,

1919
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 5: but he.

1920
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 1: Was never a crazy brawler.

1921
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 6: True.

1922
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: He was a sombo European ship, that's true. And I

1923
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: mean you're looking more like he.

1924
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 5: I guess he got wound up in some brawlish type

1925
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 5: things and he came out and losing in so he

1926
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 5: he kind of somehow like, let's keep it holstered more

1927
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 5: and like and overheen learned how to be an outside

1928
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 5: fighter as well.

1929
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: It can happen. Yeah, but both of those guys.

1930
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: Were not big fat heavy I'm not trying to change

1931
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 4: no big carriage heavyweight different guys.

1932
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: It's it's closer to like a Mark Hunt, right, It's

1933
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: that sort of.

1934
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: Mark was the world champion kickbox before he ever got

1935
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 4: from that true, So like it's just a and listen,

1936
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 4: some guys are going to have more natural aptitude than others.

1937
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, if you've got a big heavyweight

1938
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 4: who's not quick, but powerful, durable, and they learn how

1939
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 4: to just basically fight with that as their constitution, they're

1940
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 4: going to hit a ceiling. And when they do fixing

1941
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 4: the problem right much harder later that it will give

1942
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 4: him another fight in the UFC, probably one more. And

1943
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: who would you like?

1944
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 5: What would what would be the ideal fight for him

1945
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 5: at this stage? Like a row some donk, that's what

1946
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 5: I think.

1947
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 4: Unranked, but you know, well outside the top fifteen, I

1948
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 4: think so too.

1949
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 5: And it's weird, man like, he's got one of those

1950
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 5: strange traject We see this occasionally in the heavyweight division.

1951
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 5: Five six wins in a row, three losses in a row,

1952
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 5: six wins in a row, five losses in a row.

1953
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: Occasionally they have these streaks.

1954
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 5: That's where the Alafsky really comes in because he's had

1955
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 5: those types of streaks all through his career. It's very strange.

1956
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he can't win fights, but he would

1957
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 5: be doing it based on his just the way he's

1958
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 5: been doing it. He would just be now winning the

1959
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 5: way he wants to fight. And I don't know if

1960
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 5: he's going to be able to do that. I think

1961
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 5: too many people know what he wants to do.

1962
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the answer

1963
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 4: is anymore. But I hope that again. I think that

1964
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 4: there are things they could add to his game, a

1965
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 4: couple of things they could sharpen up. But like, oh,

1966
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 4: we're going to be the guy who jabs and does

1967
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 4: the peekaboo style like he can't imagine not to imagine

1968
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 4: him not.

1969
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: In the cards.

1970
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 5: I mean, he's throw Scots in the one even when

1971
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 5: he's drinking beer out of shoes. Who's going to drink

1972
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 5: a beer out of somebody's used shoe? I mean, yeah,

1973
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 5: a dirty piece of shit like moving Brian Campbell.

1974
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: The thing.

1975
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the scoring on that fight very quickly,

1976
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 4: if we can a thirty twenty seven point set up

1977
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 4: the scorecard here, So Howie Booth, which by the way,

1978
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 4: just sounds like a name that AI came up with, right,

1979
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 4: you got ten nine all the way through? Now there

1980
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 4: was a ten There was a ten nine four to

1981
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 4: two in the first round from Charlie Keach.

1982
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't quite get that either.

1983
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 4: I thought it was a clean sweet David Letheby has Leaby,

1984
01:22:58,560 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 4: how you say his name? He is the one that

1985
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 4: it's got, the best one by far, so they replace him.

1986
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 4: The judge Hawe Booth, who gave all three rounds to

1987
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 4: Taitoi Vasa, is the out judge in fourteen point four

1988
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 4: to seven of his scored rounds in UFC events dating

1989
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 4: back to twenty seventeen. That's out of seventy six rounds,

1990
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 4: highest descent percentage of any judge with seventy five or

1991
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 4: more UFC rounds scored. The guy Crosby, I mean even yeah,

1992
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: Duglas Crosby does a bit like like he thinks he's painting,

1993
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 4: like a painting, you know what I mean, Like this

1994
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 4: sort of like I'm on this grand mission of fight knowing.

1995
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: Don't I know it? Knowing who wrote the Yeah, and

1996
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: this is my canvas? Right?

1997
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 4: I think Howie Booth is just a fucking donk. Did

1998
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 4: you like that the commission replaced him right away in

1999
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 4: the middle of the event.

2000
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.

2001
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 5: But it's do you recall it was either Macau, Singapore.

2002
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,799
Speaker 5: It was one of those where they did this before,

2003
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 5: like they have done it before. Y yeah, And it's

2004
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 5: like I don't mind it at all.

2005
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: Man. If you get something that far off, something's wrong there. Man.

2006
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

2007
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 5: We have seen dueling thirty twenty seven before, Like it's

2008
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 5: usually in a closer fight where they're like, you know,

2009
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 5: it's a couple close rounds thirty twenty seven one way

2010
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 5: thirty twenty seven another you know, like we've seen that.

2011
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 5: It always seems really weird that that can happen. But

2012
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 5: there is no doubt that this was a thirty twenty

2013
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 5: seven at worst a twenty nine to twenty eight. But

2014
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 5: I think it's one hundred thirty twenty seven, you know,

2015
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 5: the one way. I just how you came up with

2016
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 5: three rounds. Like look at the stats too, like control time,

2017
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 5: everything everything goes, you know, it goes to rosenstroke.

2018
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: It's just a it's a crazy thing.

2019
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 5: So that tells me that there was some like crazy

2020
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 5: blinders bias going on.

2021
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you get to that card.

2022
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 4: I think I think not only is it good that

2023
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 4: they replaced him, I think in a world where betting

2024
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 4: is now a central product in sports, generally in five sports,

2025
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 4: in particular, and you see a scorecard like that, you

2026
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 4: have an obligation to remove him. You have an obligation

2027
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 4: and can is he.

2028
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: He is New Zealand.

2029
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 4: He's a New Zealander, right the Howie Booth or I mean,

2030
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: the relevant commission is the whatever the New south Way

2031
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 4: or whatever the whatever the whatever. The relevant Comission is

2032
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 4: for the Western Australia, Western Australia, excuse me, it's the

2033
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 4: Western Australian and Commission. So they're the ones that ultimately

2034
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 4: made the call, and I think it was very much

2035
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 4: the right call.

2036
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what the nationality of.

2037
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 5: The think he is, but anyway, it's not here, you know.

2038
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 5: But if he did have a bias, mate, I who knows.

2039
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 5: I mean, the good news is in the end the

2040
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 5: right guy won and they removed him. But like that

2041
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 5: is you know, it's so funny to me that sometimes

2042
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 5: people will be like, oh, boxing had this terrible decision.

2043
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 5: That's why I watch UFC, and I'm like, bitch, I

2044
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 5: know you don't watch UFC.

2045
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I know you don't watch Yeah, I know. It's like

2046
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I can't take these bad decisions anymore.

2047
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 4: That's why I watch UFC and I'm like, motherfucker, it's

2048
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,799
Speaker 4: the same people in charge of It's.

2049
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 5: All even more glaring because you're only dealing with three

2050
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 5: to five rounds. I mean, it's more glaring when there's

2051
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 5: a horrible scorecard than in boxing, where you can kind

2052
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 5: of like hide in the middle rounds. You know you

2053
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 5: got some weird score. It's just it makes no sense.

2054
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 5: I think this level of scrutiny when you see something

2055
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 5: like that, this is bigger too, because it's just you're

2056
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: watching a fifteen minute fight. There's only three installments of

2057
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 5: that fight.

2058
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to it's pretty easy to.

2059
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 5: Judge in one way, Like in a fight like that,

2060
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 5: it's pretty easy to judge. So like when you see

2061
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 5: something like that, you're like, whoa, that's a major red flag.

2062
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 4: I mean I had pornography on my phone and I

2063
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 4: was still managing to score the fight accurately, no doubt.

2064
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 4: All Right, with that in mind, those are our top

2065
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 4: five topics, Let's get to what the fans have in

2066
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 4: store for us, right.

2067
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: Let's do dms from the Digity donks. Ah my god,

2068
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: that's fucking true.

2069
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, guys, we need to come up with

2070
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 4: an element. Can you get a donkey ejaculating as our

2071
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 4: sound and can you do that? Turns out you can't,

2072
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 4: all right, quection number one that's fired up here as

2073
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 4: I left my glasses at home from the Gibson Ator.

2074
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: This will go to you first, Chuck Man Hall. Should

2075
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: the next fight for Dan Hooker be a bm That's

2076
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: a great question.

2077
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,919
Speaker 4: We even get to the wow. Shouldn't be a BMF

2078
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 4: fight against Max? Win or lose against Ilios? Let's let's

2079
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 4: let's let's reference. Oh, let's posit he loses to It's

2080
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 4: not some brutal destruction. He can kind of make a

2081
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 4: reasonable turnaround. Would that make sense for you? I think so,

2082
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 4: because where would Max be at that point?

2083
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: You know?

2084
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 5: And I'm like if Max is like, I don't I mean,

2085
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: I don't think the BMF title is on the line

2086
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 5: for this fight with Illy, right, Like, I don't even

2087
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 5: know how they're doing this. I know that I don't

2088
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 5: believe that they have said it is okay, Well, whatever

2089
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 5: the case is. I think Max doesn't have an obvious

2090
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 5: next move, and he kind of enters that weird space

2091
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 5: where you're like, maybe he's not all about titles anymore.

2092
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 5: After you've lost this other fight he's already kind of

2093
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 5: been there, done that. I wouldn't mind seeing it. I mean,

2094
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 5: it's like, that's a fun fight to me, after watching

2095
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 5: what Holloway did with Gaechee in the other cult making

2096
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 5: Quite of the Year, even though he had the cult

2097
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 5: of Max was already strong, I just think this solidified

2098
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 5: his thing. When he's like, let's let's do this right here,

2099
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 5: knocks him out with seconds to go. I think that

2100
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 5: they kind of have parallels in that way, you know,

2101
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 5: they kind of have like this this strange like there's

2102
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 5: something transcendent about that attitude that would match in the

2103
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 5: BMF sort of thing. And if you're trying to really

2104
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 5: create an idea of what the B is not just

2105
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 5: throwing guys in there who are like, oh he doesn't

2106
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 5: carries a reprobate or whatever, like or he's nuts, this

2107
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 5: would actually make sense to me.

2108
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: You know.

2109
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 5: It's like you got two guys who they really are

2110
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 5: kind of the badest motherfuckers, aren't they? Like so I

2111
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 5: think that that would be fun.

2112
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't need to see Hooker in a BMF fight

2113
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: for me.

2114
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 5: It feels a little but you do you even like

2115
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: the BMF concept at all? I feel like it's a

2116
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 5: some people like it.

2117
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I would say this like obviously by itself.

2118
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 4: Okay, what if you watch combat sports long enough and

2119
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 4: this is obviously people right away, but sometimes it's not.

2120
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 4: What you really realize over time is the title does.

2121
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 1: Not make the fighter. The fire that makes the title.

2122
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 4: And I feel like after what Max did to Justin,

2123
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 4: he made that title matter a little bit, right, So

2124
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 4: I do think it matters well, Okay, but I don't.

2125
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 4: It's I don't you know, I don't view it. I

2126
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 4: don't view it as a trinket, but I don't view

2127
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 4: it as a way you know what I mean. Yep,

2128
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 4: it's it's valuable in some kind of capacity.

2129
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: Okay. By the way, I just want to.

2130
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 4: Spring this up because it just blows my fucking mind

2131
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 4: about this.

2132
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: PFL. This is not neither here nor there. I'm seeing

2133
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,959
Speaker 1: this now. Jake, Paul.

2134
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 4: Francis, Senganu, Chris Cyborg, and then Henna Fajera and Larisa Picheco.

2135
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 4: They're going to be in DC, my hometown on Thursday.

2136
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 4: They're doing a press conference. Dude, they're not letting people

2137
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 4: have or at a bare minimum, they're not letting me. But

2138
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 4: I'm told no one's getting one on ones and I'm

2139
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 4: like and I'm like, guys, guys, put the camera on me.

2140
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 1: Please.

2141
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be nice to the PFL here PFL

2142
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 4: fire the dumb motherfucker who's making the call that they

2143
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: can't do one on ones, because let me just break

2144
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 4: this down for everyone very quickly, it is not worth

2145
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 4: my time. I have another interview scheduled during that time

2146
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 4: with doctor Mike isratel anybody who knows anything about him.

2147
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 4: I have to cancel that to go to this, which

2148
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 4: I'll do if I can get one on ones. If

2149
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 4: I can't understand something, there's not enough juice through these

2150
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 4: scrums for me to make my money back going and

2151
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 4: doing that. This is obvious to anybody who understands how

2152
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 4: media works. Please give me a reason to go to

2153
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 4: this press conference. I am fucking begging you. Okay, we'll say,

2154
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 4: well said, I mean, dude, who is the moron? Who

2155
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 4: is the moron who is telling them we don't need

2156
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 4: to do one on one. You're promoting the biggest fight

2157
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 4: you've ever had, and local media can't have one on one.

2158
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 4: By the way, I don't mean like hour long sitdowns.

2159
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 4: I mean five to ten minutes of course, right, Yeah, Like, dude,

2160
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 4: you know who does one on ones? Canelo Alvarez. You

2161
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 4: know who does one on ones? Tank Davis. You know

2162
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 4: who does one on ones? Connor McGregor.

2163
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Is he what are you doing?

2164
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 2: No? I listen.

2165
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: I actually bet that she would. I bet Chris Cyborg

2166
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: would too. It is.

2167
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 4: It is unfucking fathomable to me that you're having a

2168
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,959
Speaker 4: press conference and you're only going to allow scrums.

2169
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: It is. It is such a stupid decision. It's a

2170
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: stupid decision. Huh have they told you why?

2171
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 3: Like?

2172
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Have you have they? I have tried.

2173
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 4: There's people in PR who are trying to advocate, Like

2174
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 4: I've said, the people, let me be clear, the people

2175
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 4: I've talked to in PR are trying to get something

2176
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 4: to happen. So, like, I really thank you to all

2177
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 4: of them. I really appreciate it. It's somebody above them,

2178
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 4: somebody in leadership was like, we're not doing those A

2179
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 4: fucking moron is making that call.

2180
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 5: Just so you know, Okay, I just want to say

2181
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 5: thank you to PFL for doing this.

2182
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Right on your computer, it says what I want. This

2183
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,839
Speaker 1: is the Luke Thomas. It's like, dude, how how fucking

2184
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 1: stupid do you have to be to think that.

2185
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 5: That's a good idea. Every now and again we just

2186
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 5: tap into the Luke Thomas is pissed.

2187
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Oh dude, am I crazy? Please tell these people I'm

2188
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: not crazy. No, dude, You're hundred percent right.

2189
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 5: And they're trying to They're trying to compete, obviously with

2190
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 5: the UC, and this is their biggest event.

2191
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: They they should be telling media in attendance. We will

2192
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,959
Speaker 1: get you one on ones, but when can we schedule

2193
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: your one on one?

2194
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, We've been in this game a long time

2195
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 5: and it's very rare that you're shut down on things

2196
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 5: like this, especially from companies that are like this is

2197
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 5: they're hailing this. What are they calling? They have a

2198
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 5: title for it, like the Battle of the Giants or

2199
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 5: some Battle of the Giants. Okay, you're you're putting this

2200
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 5: on as the card of the year. You better make

2201
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 5: it excess. This is your biggest signing. Jake Paul's going

2202
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 5: to be there. He's also like a big signing slash ambassador.

2203
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 5: You've got you finally got by the way, Larisa Pichecco,

2204
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 5: people sleep on this.

2205
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 4: She might beat Cyborg. That's a great fight, like this

2206
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 4: is your best card. How the fuck are you promoting

2207
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 4: it this poorly? How the fuck is that possible?

2208
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 5: You know, I do the rankings pound for pound rankings,

2209
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 5: and Larissa check has been at number ten for a while,

2210
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 5: and I was writing, you know, you write up the

2211
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 5: little blurbs about why it's important. And I was saying, like,

2212
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 5: you know, nobody, there's nobody who could lay claim to

2213
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 5: saying that I be Kayla Harrison and Cyborg, right, these

2214
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 5: bigger women who've kind of been dominant. Yes, and she

2215
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,839
Speaker 5: can lay claim to that that. I think they gotta like, Actually,

2216
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 5: she might go in there and start drinkissing them.

2217
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2218
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 5: That what I'm saying, this person nobody saw coming. I

2219
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 5: might want to get behind that a little bit and

2220
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 5: promote it.

2221
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I cannot believe these people. I

2222
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 1: cannot believe these people.

2223
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 4: Okay, have fun of the presser. I won't be at

2224
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 4: I guess all right, the next question of the scrum, Yeah,

2225
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 4: must I bet it's gonna be awesome scrum uh from at,

2226
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 4: it's not cage fighting? Is Alex put At the most

2227
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 4: protected champion of all time? Okay, So let's talk about

2228
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 4: UFC three oh seven.

2229
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Here a little bit.

2230
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 4: UFC three oh seven. Okay, they announce it. What's the

2231
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 4: date for that? Can you look at everyone?

2232
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Long Island?

2233
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 4: Looke very quickly says Salt Lake City, car Salt Lake City,

2234
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 4: October something, right. I think it's Are they gonna have

2235
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 4: two pay per views in the month of October because

2236
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 4: the twenty eighth is gonna be the one for twenty

2237
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 4: sixth I believe October fifth, So they're gonna have two

2238
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 4: pay per views that month. They're going to the last

2239
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 4: of the second of those is really interesting between Max

2240
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 4: and well, honestly, Max Holloway versus Eliot Taporia is the

2241
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 4: best fight that can be made in MMA, arguable.

2242
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: He's saying that, Well, it.

2243
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 4: Was Vulk and then he dusted him off, and now

2244
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 4: it moves over to Max, and Max resurrected everything with

2245
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 4: this crazy winver Okay, so that's the best fight.

2246
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Here's I sort of get it right, Chuck. You need headliners.

2247
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 4: The second fight on this card is Rakeel Pennington take

2248
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 4: it on Juliana Penya. Everyone's wondering why she's beginning getting

2249
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 4: a title shot, while Kayla Harrison just like smashed someone

2250
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 4: at USC three hundred. She's gonna take on Kaitlyn Via.

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01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 4: I don't dislike that fight. I don't, And I get

2252
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 4: that you're trying with Juliana Painna. She's gonna talk a lot,

2253
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 4: so she's gonna sell a fight, which Raquel Pennington is

2254
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 4: just not going to do that. Fine, But talking about

2255
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 4: the main event, I don't hate this fight. I don't

2256
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 4: hate the fight between Alex Padena and Khalil Rowntree. It's

2257
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 4: gonna be fun for as long as it lasts to

2258
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 4: be action packed, and hey, you never know, it could

2259
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 4: actually end up being sure an upset, like it's possible.

2260
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 4: But later that month, the prohibitive number one guy is

2261
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 4: fighting Alexander Rackache, which is also a fine fight, but

2262
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 4: for reasons we don't know or understand.

2263
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:17,879
Speaker 1: What the fuck is they doing.

2264
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 5: Here, Chuck, I don't know this is I mean, I've

2265
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 5: seen a lot of people talking about this too. I

2266
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 5: mean I feel a little bit for Uncle iive because

2267
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 5: he was cast into the title fight.

2268
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: Was it a draw?

2269
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 5: I forget now, like how did that work out? But

2270
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 5: I know that data it was a draw, right, like,

2271
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 5: so it was like it was like one of those

2272
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 5: things where Dana clearly did not love the fight, and

2273
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 5: I feel like ever since then, the poor Uncle I

2274
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 5: was just kind of like he's behind an eternal eight ball.

2275
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 5: But I also think that in the in relation to

2276
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 5: this question, that this has certainly crossed some people's minds, right,

2277
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 5: Like I don't think that you want to be in

2278
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 5: the business. And I'm like, I know that they say

2279
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 5: all the time, like our job is to beat the champion.

2280
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 5: We're trying to find the guy who will beat the champion.

2281
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 5: The woe who's going to beat the champion. I don't

2282
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 5: think they want to be in the uncle. I have

2283
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 5: business as that champion right now. So if you go

2284
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 5: put him into a fight with Perera, like I think

2285
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 5: we'd see the stylistic matchups, and I think a lot

2286
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 5: of people would probably be like this is that this

2287
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 5: is a nightmare matchup for Alex Perera, you know what

2288
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 5: I mean, Like, if you put that fight together, you

2289
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 5: might actually be in the Uncle iabe business, you know

2290
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like in terms of oh, I mean, okay,

2291
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 5: I'm just going to ask the question, are you saying

2292
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 5: that Alex Padeta is protected? I'm saying that, like it

2293
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 5: looks glaring that it's not Uncle Iave, and so I guess,

2294
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 5: in a roundabout way, I'm like, it seems like he's

2295
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 5: being a little protected in this situation. I don't think

2296
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 5: that they're necessarily you know, maybe this.

2297
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 4: Could be more a reward in a weird way, to like,

2298
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 4: we're gonna give you a favorable matchup because you've stepped

2299
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 4: in for UOC three hundred, you stepped in for UC

2300
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 4: three h three, You saved these events we.

2301
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 5: Bear, you know, three or three. We didn't even feel

2302
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 5: the loss of Connor McGregor. And then because you had

2303
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 5: a guy like Perera stepping up and he's become this guy.

2304
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 5: This could be a little bit of like a hey,

2305
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 5: thank you fight, you know. But it does feel a

2306
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 5: little bit because I just think that uncleav was a

2307
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 5: clear cut choice, right, Like, why would he not be

2308
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 5: able to do unless he's not able to do this

2309
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 5: for some reason that I have no idea why. I

2310
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 5: have no idea why he's not actually the guy fighting

2311
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 5: for that title. This is one of the reasons why

2312
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 5: I think is he at two o five. I know

2313
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 5: he's I guess staying saying he wants to stay one

2314
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 5: to eighty five. This is why two of five. I

2315
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,839
Speaker 5: think it's wide open. It's like, dude, yeah, they're granting

2316
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 5: title shots. And again I'm not even necessarily mad at

2317
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 5: it on just a fight basis, but they're granting title

2318
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 5: shots to the number eight ranked guy. Is he can't

2319
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 5: get a title shot with one win over a top

2320
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 5: seven guy?

2321
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Of course he could, right, you know, and went up in.

2322
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:47,879
Speaker 4: That wide open, wide open kind of a crazy moment. Also,

2323
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 4: what chance do you give Pennington to beat Pinya oh

2324
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 4: Man because I think with the USC's hoping, yeah, is

2325
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 4: that they get remember, right, Penya had a bee. Folks

2326
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 4: don't remember this. Penya had a beef with Ronda Rousey

2327
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 4: from the show Big Time Beef. They were kind of

2328
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 4: like maybe gonna fight and then it just kind of fizzled,

2329
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 4: and she thought Amanda Nunez, they would love a as champion.

2330
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 4: Juliana Pennaeah fights Kayla Harrison. Harrison goes in there and

2331
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 4: bludgeons here, and then.

2332
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 5: You know you've got it all mapped up. But I mean, honestly,

2333
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 5: that's how I see it. I don't give Rocky's weird dude,

2334
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 5: And I was thinking about this, like Pennington's in a

2335
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 5: situation imagine being Pennington, Right, you're the one everybody's circling.

2336
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 5: I need to beat her. Right, she's got the belt.

2337
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 5: You're going into this card where there's two women. It's

2338
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 5: not like a twofold thing. It's almost like Sean O'Malley

2339
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 5: having it like your your job is to go through

2340
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 5: not only Morob Divishmili, but also Umar and America Madeoff

2341
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 5: waits for you, Like this is crazy. That's a that's

2342
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 5: a very daunting way to look at it. In the

2343
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 5: same situation, like Rocky has been asked to go in

2344
01:38:54,280 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 5: there and beat Pnya and then hopefully like if she's

2345
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 5: able to do that, Harry Harrison is right there and

2346
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 5: that's who you have to face next. It's a that's

2347
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 5: a crazy thing to ask people, even if it's pain

2348
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 5: aside and it's like you need to go through Rocky

2349
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 5: and then her. It's just crazy, right, Like it's it's

2350
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 5: a nutty thing. I think that her perseverance Rockies has

2351
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 5: been remarkable in terms of winning whatever it is six

2352
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 5: fights in a row and kind of showing up at

2353
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 5: the end.

2354
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 4: But also remember she quit or wanted to quit against

2355
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 4: Nunez and their coach Centerada, and she got finished.

2356
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Lot of otters don't recover from something like true. That's true.

2357
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 5: So it's been I think her perseverance, like just what

2358
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 5: she's been able to do is actually really unsung. But

2359
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 5: I do kind of think that this is where it ends.

2360
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 5: I think that puins here's.

2361
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: The card very quickly again.

2362
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 4: This will be at the Delta Center in Salt Lake City, Utah, Utah.

2363
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: A very beautiful country. It is.

2364
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 5: It's nice. When I said country, I mean like space.

2365
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 5: I don't mean it's like the other side of the

2366
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 5: Rockies from Denver where I grew up.

2367
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: It's that's right. Yeah, you got.

2368
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 4: You got you got Poeton and Khalil Rowntree, then you

2369
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 4: got Pennington and Paena. You've got wonder Boy versus Joquing Buckley.

2370
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that fight.

2371
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 4: Jose Aldo against Mario Mario Bautista, fun contest, good Roman Delede,

2372
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 4: Kevin Holland Fine. I don't have a school. I don't

2373
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 4: hate it, don't love it, but it's cool. The big

2374
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 4: one al Jamain Sterling taken on Mozart at LOIV. That

2375
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 4: is huge, huge fight. And then Kaitlyn viea taken on

2376
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 4: Quila Herison. I'm sure they'll add some more fights. That's

2377
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 4: a pretty deep card. Yeah, it's a very it's a

2378
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 4: very deep card. And by the way, oh, her retirement

2379
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 4: about Carla Sparza versus Tisha Pennington, Caesar Almeida taking an

2380
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 4: ehre Potiera, the weirdest motherfucker on earth, and then Marina

2381
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 4: Hadriguez taken on.

2382
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: All these women fights on there. Uh at altitude, you

2383
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: can't put the heavyweights. Yeah, that's true, can't put them

2384
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: and want to do that, dude. I remember when I

2385
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 1: was at the Pepsi Center.

2386
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 4: I was backstage after Ben Rothwell Mark hun To them too,

2387
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 4: was huffing air boy.

2388
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: They were huff the man. Dude. I'll tell you what.

2389
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 4: When I was on vacation, so Denver is at like

2390
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 4: five thousand feet elevation. Mexico City is about like is

2391
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 4: a seventy three, seventy four maybe seventy four. What wata

2392
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 4: where I was is another thousand above that. So they

2393
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 4: have this thing what they call altitude the whole time. No,

2394
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 4: I didn't have a nosebleed, but I had a horrible headache,

2395
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 4: horrible headache bad sometimes so I have to so you

2396
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 4: can actually go to the store. I mean you can't

2397
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 4: get high from it, but you can buy coca leaf tea.

2398
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: OK.

2399
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 4: So I dude, I had to go right to the

2400
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 4: store and get that shit because like it. The altitude

2401
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 4: was like, no fucking joke. Every time I go to Denver. Now,

2402
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 4: I grew up there and we to feel fair. Yeah,

2403
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 4: I grew I still go out there quite a bit

2404
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 4: and we go fishing a lot of times. Like when

2405
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 4: I'm there, I love to do this, and it's always

2406
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 4: at eight thousand, nine thousand feet. I have to hydrate

2407
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 4: really oh like the night before. Man, I can't do

2408
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 4: it anything, That's right. You have to have a ton

2409
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 4: of liquit in your system.

2410
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 1: All right? Next?

2411
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 5: Wait, wait real quick? What are your eight top as

2412
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 5: far as the moments in the UFC?

2413
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: All right?

2414
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 4: Next from Christina Pintot Underscore BJJ.

2415
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Did you watch CJI? By the way, everybody and their brother.

2416
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 4: Writing CGI, CJI and or ADCC this weekend. I watched

2417
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 4: mostly CJI, but I watched some ADCC. Thoughts on the

2418
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 4: events and what this means for the BJJA competition World Chuck,

2419
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 4: did you watch any so?

2420
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 5: I only honestly like guys, like you who were kind

2421
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 5: of talking about it.

2422
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: I was following on social media.

2423
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 5: I didn't actually get a chance to watch, but I

2424
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 5: know that you did, so this is a good question

2425
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 5: for you.

2426
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 4: Okay, So this, I really don't think people understand how

2427
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 4: big the weekend was. I do not want to sit

2428
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 4: here and say that the sport has changed forever. That

2429
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 4: might be a little bit too big. And I have

2430
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 4: a number of different takeaways. By the way, I do

2431
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 4: think that they made the CJI folks made one big error.

2432
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 4: I was looking on YouTube trending for all the videos,

2433
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 4: and there were ADCC videos that were on there.

2434
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Michael Pixley. You don't know who he is over at ADCC.

2435
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 4: He's a former D two national champ and he's a

2436
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 4: purple belt now he I think he uchi Mada Nicholas Murragali,

2437
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 4: who was widely expected to be double gold in absolute

2438
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 4: and whatever, and then darsed him and finished him off.

2439
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: That was a huge, huge, huge upset.

2440
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 4: The highlight of that video from ADCC trended. So then

2441
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 4: I went to the B team YouTube channel, which is

2442
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 4: where all their videos ended. They didn't pull out any

2443
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,879
Speaker 4: individual matches, so they lost an opportunity in my judgment

2444
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 4: to trend, But okay, small thing. We had all thought

2445
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 4: that what CJI was really about was ADCC is not

2446
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 4: paying their guys. CJI will this is a new way

2447
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 4: for the jiu jitsu athletes to be paid. Isn't that great?

2448
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 4: And I don't want to undermine that that is a

2449
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 4: real huge part of it. In fact, part of the

2450
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 4: reason why they had the talent roster that they did

2451
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 4: was because they had such an attractive prize at the end.

2452
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:35,759
Speaker 4: But that is not the story of the weekend, Dude.

2453
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 4: CJI did not feel like a competitor to ADCC. To me, okay,

2454
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 4: it felt like the next evolution of.

2455
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: That. It felt like ADCC was living in the past.

2456
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 4: And do they do some things better than CJI, Yes,

2457
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 4: yes they do. Does CJI have some room for improvement, absolutely,

2458
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 4: But CI to me felt like this is a better

2459
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 4: way to do jiu jitsu, irrespective of the money and

2460
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 4: how it is a portioned which of course is a

2461
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 4: sexral component to their identity. I have not been a believer,

2462
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 4: or at least I was very skeptical of this idea

2463
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 4: that the wall from karate combat could be repurposed.

2464
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: Dude, it makes a revelation. It is a revelation ADCC.

2465
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 4: If you watched one of the big matches that they

2466
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 4: had was between Gordon Ryan and Felipe Panda, who's a

2467
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,600
Speaker 4: big time rival of his, and there were constant restarts,

2468
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 4: constant pauses in the action, and the referee is very

2469
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 4: involved in awarding points in certain parts and then not

2470
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 4: so much in this one but another jiu jitsu tournament's

2471
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 4: advantages and shit like that where they have a very

2472
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 4: active role. The referee here in cji played almost no role.

2473
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 4: The wall facilitates the continuation of action. Now, there were

2474
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 4: some inconsistent judging issues because they did they basically did

2475
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 4: three five minute rounds and then five five minutes for

2476
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 4: the finals and the judges, and there would be open

2477
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 4: scoring as well. Way, open scoring worked very well. I

2478
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 4: still have skeptical about MMA, but it worked very well.

2479
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: For this Okay. So this is what I come back to.

2480
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, they didn't have a different I thought

2481
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 4: when Craig was talking about all the money that that

2482
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 4: was really the core of the issue, right. Craig Jones

2483
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 4: is a guy I'll never forget man years ago or

2484
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 4: whenever he put it out. I mean I think it's

2485
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 4: a couple of years old at this point. I've watched

2486
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,640
Speaker 4: almost all of his instructionals. Yeah, and one thing you

2487
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 4: take away from it, like one thread through line through

2488
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,719
Speaker 4: all of them, is that this is a guy who

2489
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 4: looks at the world very differently and has very different ideas.

2490
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 4: The money was just an idea to really make ADCC

2491
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 4: look bad, like they spent all this money on shit

2492
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 4: that like, did their production look nice?

2493
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: It looked nice, Chuck, I'm telling you it look nice.

2494
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: It looked nice.

2495
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 4: But ultimately it wasn't serving the viewer all that much.

2496
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 4: It was ADCC was trying to be like, we're the

2497
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 4: big brother, and what they ended up actually showing was

2498
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 4: that they were. They were they were the older brother,

2499
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 4: and like old older brother. This was to me so

2500
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 4: profoundly beyond what I ever thought possible. Dude, you have

2501
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 4: people talking about cji being a the best jiu jitsu

2502
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 4: tournament they've ever seen. And I'm not joking when I

2503
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 4: say this, Guys, if you didn't see Caid Rule Toolo

2504
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 4: versus Andrew Tackett, it might be the best no Gi

2505
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 4: grappling match I've ever seen.

2506
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: And the rules and the surface facilitated all of this.

2507
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 5: I love to hear this because back in the day,

2508
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 5: you remember Metamorus, Yes, So I covered a couple of those,

2509
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 5: and it was almost like they were trying to do this.

2510
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 5: They were almost trying to figure out a hipster way

2511
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 5: to kind of bring an audience in. Give it cool lighting,

2512
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 5: give it cool vibe. But everything ended in a draw.

2513
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 5: And I feel like that that is like an American

2514
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 5: audience is that's a hard cell, right, like when everything's

2515
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 5: a draw. Plus they're a falling off, you know what

2516
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 5: I mean? That the struct sure that they had, so

2517
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 5: I fully get it, Like I just I remember going

2518
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 5: to a couple I tried to give it. You try

2519
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 5: to give it as many chances as you can and

2520
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 5: do the writing, but it just it stalled too much,

2521
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 5: like it required too much really fine attention to detail,

2522
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 5: like where you had to be paying attention and you

2523
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 5: couldn't really see what was going on.

2524
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: So this actually sounds like they figured it out.

2525
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 5: And there's been a ton of people over the course

2526
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 5: of this time, over what a decade, that want to

2527
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 5: launch something like this. So it sounds like Craig Jones

2528
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,600
Speaker 5: is finally onto something that's like I've here, I've heard it,

2529
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 5: and we've done a lot of research about how to

2530
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 5: do this, and he might have he might be onto

2531
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 5: something that I was fascinated by the clips I saw

2532
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 5: for sure. Man, he went into this being like, this

2533
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 5: is a story of athlete pay and I came out

2534
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 5: of this being like, this is.

2535
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 4: A story about how to do jiu jitsu differently, and

2536
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 4: I'll never forget like this is a small thing. In fact,

2537
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 4: you even heard Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier is only repeating

2538
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 4: these points now. I heard this years ago from Craig Jones.

2539
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 4: Craig Jones, I remember it so like dud When I

2540
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 4: first came up in jiu jitsu. Side control, Yeah, side

2541
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 4: control was a very very important position. It was not

2542
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 4: mount or the back, but it was very very important.

2543
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 4: And Craig Jones was the first person I ever heard

2544
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 4: be like, side control is not great. It's not a

2545
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 4: great position. And his whole argument was, if you actually

2546
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 4: look at how someone pins from side control, what's the

2547
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 4: big problem here? Your hands. Typically in side control you

2548
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 4: want to have one hand. If this is a little technical,

2549
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 4: but the spine is a line you need to have

2550
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 4: your hands or your elbows at either end, so you

2551
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 4: can cross face at the top and you can control

2552
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 4: the hip on the far end. But that's the two

2553
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 4: ends of the spine. That's how you lock them in

2554
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 4: place in theory, right. But what Craig Jones argues is like,

2555
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 4: but look at their legs. You can't control them. And

2556
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 4: this against high level guys. That's what DC you're talking about.

2557
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 4: DC is bringing this up. The Greig Jones has been

2558
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 4: talking about that for years. This is what I mean.

2559
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 4: He has a and sometimes it's a goofball thing. By

2560
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 4: the way, I love Hanata Laranja. Could have done without

2561
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 4: the could have done without the long interludes of him

2562
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 4: talking to the crow a long way.

2563
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: That's right.

2564
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 4: Well, he was great in the in the Gabby and

2565
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 4: also the Gabby Garcia matched for me was nothing but

2566
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 4: but But what I'm trying to point out about Craig

2567
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 4: is everyone wanted to make this about pay. It is

2568
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 4: about pay, but pay is part of the story about

2569
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 4: Craig's broader vision about how.

2570
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 1: To do jiu jitsu differently.

2571
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 4: And it was a massive I hate to use the

2572
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,600
Speaker 4: thing because it's been so internet brained by this, but

2573
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 4: it was a massive red pill moment.

2574
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 5: It really really cool. Man, that's cool. You had some

2575
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 5: fomo I can tell, like.

2576
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 4: You, well, going to Vegas, I always come back with

2577
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 4: some kind of gone rhea or communicable disease, so I.

2578
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: Didn't miss it out. That still trump.

2579
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 4: But the guy who actually did my tattoos a bunch

2580
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 4: of my tattoo shots shots to well. I don't know

2581
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 4: if it wants me to say his name or not,

2582
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 4: but in any case, the guy who does my tattoos

2583
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 4: is a jiu jitsu brown belt out of I think

2584
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 4: Black Cat jiu Jitsu in.

2585
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 1: In the DC area, and he was there.

2586
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 4: He went to both on and he was like listen,

2587
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 4: like there were both good events. Like it's not the

2588
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 4: case that one was was better or worse, but he

2589
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 4: was like the energy at CJI, especially on day two,

2590
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 4: that's cool though, it was fucking electric. See that's the

2591
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 4: that's the key.

2592
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 5: I just feel like Metamoros energy was it was hard

2593
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 5: to get and they were even like full bars, you know,

2594
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 5: they're trying to do a VIP experience, very chandelier affair.

2595
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 1: The energy level just couldn't pick up. It was strange.

2596
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 5: So if they figured that part out, I mean already

2597
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 5: something's moving there.

2598
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: I think that they have.

2599
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 4: I've never been a guy who's like, oh, jiu jitsu

2600
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 4: could be on mainstream TV. Dude, slap let me put

2601
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 4: them put the camera on me. If slap fighting gets

2602
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 4: a deal before the Craig Jones Invitational, we riot, we riot, Okay,

2603
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 4: I love that. I don't know who this kid was.

2604
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 4: You posted it on your Twitter. Does some goofy hair

2605
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 4: looking at his face like just like the only reason

2606
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 4: I kept it with way his hair doesn't move until

2607
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 4: his whole he doesn't really blink, which is like, what

2608
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 4: the hell?

2609
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you. I'm sure he did get a

2610
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: bring down? All right? Next uh from Fisher Aiden Fisher

2611
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: raiding Uh, Poton and Liddell both in their prime there

2612
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: spelled wrong?

2613
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:08,679
Speaker 5: Who wins and Liaddell's spelled wrong? I'd probably give the nod.

2614
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 5: And that's a crazy one because it's like Chucking his

2615
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 5: prime was a beast. He was a beast and people

2616
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 5: kind of forget how good he was. And it's funny

2617
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 5: too because this is actually a weird matchup because Glover

2618
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 5: being kind of the mentor I guess of Perea coming

2619
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 5: out of the Liddell, you know, that whole thing right

2620
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 5: there that actually connected. They're connected, It's really strange. I

2621
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 5: would probably give the nod to Perreira, And I just

2622
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 5: think part of it is like his kickboxing, the kind

2623
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 5: of kickboxing I think he you know, even even when

2624
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 5: Chuck was really at his best, he was still kind

2625
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 5: of a brawler mentality, like if you're just putting him together,

2626
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 5: and I think Perrero would te off on that.

2627
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 4: I think also the light kicks would be a big

2628
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 4: deal that this just wasn't something that Chuck had to

2629
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 4: deal with. But I will say this, I will say this,

2630
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 4: Chuck and his prime people forget this dude. I mean

2631
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 4: when he blinded Jeremy Horn and there in their fight

2632
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 4: like that was like scary to watch. You've never seen

2633
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 4: Chuck one of my favorite knockouts. Chuck put away alistair overhim. Yeah,

2634
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 4: oh yeah, dude went went what right over the top

2635
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 4: between his eyes and had had overream, you know, asking

2636
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 4: where's woke?

2637
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 1: Remember that?

2638
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you make me like it's funny because

2639
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 5: people just don't talk like you.

2640
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I see him.

2641
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 5: He's kind of like an ornament at UC events now,

2642
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 5: just kind of one of those guys they dust off,

2643
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 5: roll out there, like, hey, you check it out, there's

2644
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 5: Chuck Liddell. Like, but at the time, man like, I

2645
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 5: just really I was just imagining or going back to

2646
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 5: like two thousand and six, seven or whatever those dates were,

2647
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 5: even before then, where it was like he was just

2648
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:36,679
Speaker 5: the face of on top of everything. It was awesome,

2649
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 5: man Like. I just remember his events feeling like massive

2650
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 5: events to me.

2651
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: This is how rampage got fast when he spell UFC

2652
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: seventy six whatever it was.

2653
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, next from telling ke Pop, I think

2654
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 4: this is the last one. Would you guys want MMA

2655
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 4: to be in the Olympics? Can we get this every

2656
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 4: four years?

2657
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 1: No? Fuck? It was like an MMA beat thing we

2658
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: used to go across.

2659
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,679
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many reasons people like I don't

2660
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 4: understand what MMA fans want, Like we want more validation, guys.

2661
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 4: I've seen the various stages of MMA. This is about

2662
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 4: as good as it gets. I mean it could also

2663
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 4: be a little bit better, of course, but you're looking

2664
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 4: at a sport that is not fully developed but mostly

2665
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 4: fully developed.

2666
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: Enjoy it for what it is. Also, you know, for

2667
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,759
Speaker 1: all the people being like all that, all the people

2668
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: in MMA are like, oh I don't think gay people

2669
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 1: should vote. Yeah, let's get the mainstream press to shed

2670
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: some attention on that. I'm sure MMA will come out

2671
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: looking just fine, you know what I mean, I can't imagine.

2672
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, look at like the boxing

2673
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 5: realm of it, right, Like so you look back at

2674
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 5: like Muhammad Ali, Joe Fraser when they want it, they

2675
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 5: were just no names.

2676
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2677
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 5: I think Muhammad Ali was like eighteen or nineteen years old,

2678
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 5: is a Louis but nobody knew who he was, and

2679
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 5: they of course you get like a name going through it.

2680
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: But these guys are still Casius Clay, Yeah, a Casius

2681
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 1: Clay exactly, Like you're still going You're going back to

2682
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,919
Speaker 1: these guys at the beginning.

2683
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 5: You didn't see veterans, Like veterans aren't going to do it.

2684
01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 5: The guys who are used to the money and all this,

2685
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 5: they're not gonna fight in the Olympics and so like

2686
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 5: that's just boxing model. But like when you look at MMA,

2687
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 5: who are you watching, Like it's not going to be truly.

2688
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 1: Representative of the best in the world. You know.

2689
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 4: Also like amateur MMA, I don't want to integrate it.

2690
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 4: I actually think it's very important and I'm glad that

2691
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 4: it's growing. Yeah, but it's not already made product for television,

2692
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 4: and the rules that you have to use to keep

2693
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 4: it an amateur system. You know, it's like, if you

2694
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 4: win a gold medal the Olympics, there's a good chance

2695
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 4: they're going to be a very good boxer.

2696
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Right. I'm less convinced you can win the amateur MMA

2697
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: and become anything. That's what I mean.

2698
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,839
Speaker 5: I don't know if you're really getting the truth of something,

2699
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:39,800
Speaker 5: or like you're kind of like, oh, here's here's a

2700
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 5: future whatever. I don't think you're really getting that. Did

2701
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 5: you watch the Olympics.

2702
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: This past a little bit?

2703
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 3: Like?

2704
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I'm never the biggest Olympic guy, but

2705
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 5: I was like I paid more attention I think this

2706
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 5: year than usual.

2707
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, motherfucking Steph Curry. Oh I saw that.

2708
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 4: Oh buddy, I was actually I watched the game and

2709
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 4: then I went downtown. I was actually in cart to

2710
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 4: handa by this time, and so after he he sunk it,

2711
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 4: we were watching it in my house. I went downtown.

2712
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I I could have been I could have been. You know,

2713
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 4: you could have given me an American flag. I would

2714
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 4: have walked out he the fucking game, bitches, Chef Curry

2715
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 4: with the pop bitches, That's what I was doing.

2716
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 1: I was even telling the cab driver in Spanish. I

2717
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, did you see this motherfucking game?

2718
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 5: You know, I thought that, you know, if you're talking

2719
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 5: about transformative moments or like transcendent moments like truly, because

2720
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 5: you get those occasionally in the Olympics and just something

2721
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 5: crazy it just almost seems superhuman happens. That was one

2722
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 5: of those moments like this, that that Wimby shot, where

2723
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 5: like Wimby's like trying to it's just insane.

2724
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: It was so funny, you know.

2725
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 4: After the after the game was over, I saw people

2726
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 4: being like, you know what, man, I'm a Steph Curry hater.

2727
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 4: He's like, but I understand what it means to be

2728
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 4: a Warriors fan now because he comes out he drains

2729
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 4: because it wasn't just the one three at the end,

2730
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 4: it was the four threes essentially, back to back to

2731
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 4: back to back.

2732
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 5: He stepped up against Serbia too, like it was like

2733
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 5: he both but this was like that was just a It.

2734
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 4: Was so iconic Gold medal game, and I had the

2735
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 4: same feeling. I'm like, I'm not a Warriors hater and

2736
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 4: I really appreciate with this, but when he's doing it

2737
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 4: for your team, yeah, I know, it feels way.

2738
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 1: Still hate him. I hate them Warriors. Did you did

2739
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 1: you watch the Olympics Long Island, Luke?

2740
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 6: Oh?

2741
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude.

2742
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 1: I work one day a week.

2743
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 3: I was watching the Olympics every day.

2744
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 1: Dude. You had your pants around your ankles for the

2745
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 1: gymnastics portion. Now.

2746
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 3: I had the four box on Peacock. They had like

2747
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 3: they would put whatever event, they would curate it as

2748
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 3: the day went on, so I would just watch whatever

2749
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 3: it was on.

2750
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 1: I was the Peacock experience. I have no complaints. For me.

2751
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: It was fine.

2752
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2753
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2754
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 4: Do you have Peacock? Yeah I don't. Yeah, the one

2755
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 4: big one. I don't have the one. We just refuse

2756
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 4: on principle.

2757
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck else am I supposed to get?

2758
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 4: I've got I've got I've got the bundle, so I've

2759
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 4: got Hulu, ESPN Plus and what's the other one, Disney,

2760
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 4: I've got YouTube TV, I've got Netflix, I've got much.

2761
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 4: It's with the it's with my iPhone, but I got

2762
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 4: to deal with Apple plus that that expires soon. But

2763
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 4: I technically still have it. My job is ending with

2764
01:56:57,240 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 4: CBA Sports, but I still have for now. Pairmount Plus

2765
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 4: canceled so that it was a free perk with the job.

2766
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 4: If I lose it now, I'm I'm not paying for.

2767
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 5: That ship and your favorite ESPN Plus job, your favorite doe.

2768
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 1: They reached out to me, did they really? They did?

2769
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 1: I have to tell the story a little bit later,

2770
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 1: but basically that's amazing. It's like, dude, So what was

2771
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 1: the was it? Three oh one? Was the urse Pantosia?

2772
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:26,480
Speaker 4: Yes, there's three one right yep in Brazil. So that

2773
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 4: night it didn't matter what I did. I could not

2774
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 4: I purchased it.

2775
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 1: It could not. It wouldn't pot up.

2776
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 4: By the way, since then, it has worked flawlessly on Prome, Cast, Firefox,

2777
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 4: you name it, any of the browsers whatever. Somehow somebody

2778
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 4: up at ESPN got wind of it, all right, I

2779
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 4: don't know who it was, but they got wind of it.

2780
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 4: So they sent like a super duper like high level

2781
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 4: customer service guide to me, and first of all, they

2782
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,080
Speaker 4: gave me two free pay per views.

2783
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

2784
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they gave me three oh two and three

2785
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 4: oh three. Three oh four was the first one I

2786
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 4: bought without them, gotcha. But then that was the night where.

2787
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 1: It was like, Chuck, check one two, you guys gonna

2788
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: get my balls on this. My balls are my balls

2789
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: are hairy?

2790
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 10: I was like, you know, they flashed up the third

2791
01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 10: down mis cue. Ye, like Ben Roethlisberger's third down mis

2792
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 10: cues so weird. And here's his favorite thing to order

2793
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 10: at waffle house. Let's get that on the screen.

2794
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 4: But the point I'm trying to make is like they

2795
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 4: definitely fixed it in the sense that like, whatever the

2796
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 4: problem was, it doesn't exist anymore. But you know, the

2797
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 4: toothpastes out of the two on them, does anybody trust

2798
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 4: them anymore?

2799
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Plus? And I think the thing I picked up on.

2800
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 4: Because I made that video I say about it, The

2801
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 4: thing I picked up on was they've got this venue

2802
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 4: thing coming out. So it's them Fox Sports and Runner

2803
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 4: Brothers like this, which is which is legitimately a very

2804
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,480
Speaker 4: compelling entertainment product that they can get off the ground.

2805
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 4: There was a preliminary injunction by Fubo to stop it.

2806
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,560
Speaker 4: I don't think they give a fuck buddy Plus anymore.

2807
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 4: I think that they I think once this thing gets going,

2808
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 4: the venue thing, They're just gonna Yeah, they're gonna wash

2809
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 4: their hands of it and call it a day, is it?

2810
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: Dude? Who do you know that loves their.

2811
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 4: Some people might be neutral about it, Some people might

2812
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 4: like that the library is there, but dude, even the

2813
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 4: library doesn't work. If you want to go watch fights,

2814
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,440
Speaker 4: first place, I go to his fight pass, That's what

2815
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 4: I do. And if they don't have them, then I

2816
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:11,840
Speaker 4: go to ESPN Plus and they have to search the

2817
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 4: person's number and then you have to go and like So,

2818
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 4: for example, let's say I'm looking up Mario Bautista, so

2819
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 4: I'll have to plug him in and then it'll be

2820
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 4: all the fights. And then they won't When you click

2821
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 4: on the fight on ESPN Plus, they won't give you

2822
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 4: the fight. They give you the fight card that it's

2823
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 4: on preliminary or main. And dude, I'm not joking. Several

2824
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 4: times this has happened to me several times, where the

2825
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 4: feed I'll get is the Spanish language one, which I

2826
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,480
Speaker 4: don't mind. Fine, whatever, I mean, it's not what I

2827
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 4: ask for, but okay, I don't mind the practice that

2828
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 4: exactly fine, but I give you don't like what the fuck?

2829
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:47,920
Speaker 4: Or I'll get the Gronk family ones, the Gronk family,

2830
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 4: like the Duel Cast one weird, so I'll.

2831
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Get the Gronk one.

2832
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, this is absolutely not what I am

2833
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 4: looking for at all.

2834
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:58,720
Speaker 1: Like the service is just bad. It's exhausting. So I

2835
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: appreciate that they were really about it. I do.

2836
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. And again, three or five or

2837
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 4: me worked flawlessly.

2838
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:10,360
Speaker 1: But holy fuck, guys, your product sucks ass. That's crazy

2839
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: that they gave you the free paper. I didn't know

2840
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 1: what happened with that story.

2841
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 5: I just know that theyre I remember clicking on your

2842
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 5: complaint and there were a ton a ton of people

2843
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 5: responding to that, and I was like, whoa, I wonder

2844
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 5: if you'll I wonder if they'll get back in touch

2845
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 5: with you given that, Like sometimes you see somebody complain

2846
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 5: to the airline, Hey United you lost my bags or whatever,

2847
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 5: trying to fish that out. People have seen it too often.

2848
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 5: You actually were bringing up a complaint that I think

2849
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 5: you're voicing for a million people.

2850
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 4: Interesting was the one of their bots wrote me is like, hey,

2851
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 4: dm us, we really want to help you, and then

2852
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 4: I DM them and they never replied.

2853
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 1: My god.

2854
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,200
Speaker 4: So that's when I was like Okay, fuck you, mother efforts.

2855
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 4: And that's when I made my video and to someone

2856
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 4: in the video, somehow the video made their way up

2857
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 4: there because they gave the customer service agent that they

2858
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 4: gave me, Like, I mean, this was the best customer

2859
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 4: service agent I've had, not just because they were nice,

2860
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:02,400
Speaker 4: but like their troubleshooting ability was beyond next level. So

2861
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 4: I've been waiting to make a video about it because

2862
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 4: I had to wait out the one that they paid for.

2863
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 1: I can't. I wanted.

2864
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 4: I want to see if the transaction right. I've had

2865
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 4: two events in a row the transactions worked just fine.

2866
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 1: But then it's like Ben Roethlisberger's first down completions against

2867
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. Oh Man, all right, anything we missed

2868
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 1: here on the show today.

2869
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 3: Long Island, Luke, No, I think we covered it all.

2870
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 1: We didn't do. Have you seen this ship?

2871
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 4: But Brian's not here, and it feels sacriligious to do

2872
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 4: it without.

2873
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he still does it. I'm with him, so,

2874
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

2875
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 4: He worships my nuts. That's why they call him sacriligious.

2876
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 4: That's a line from a rat, But I like, I'm

2877
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,560
Speaker 4: stealing that completely, Chuck, why don't you plug what you got, buddy.

2878
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 5: Well, I'm still with the Ringer MMA shows. I was

2879
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 5: minching off the top.

2880
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys lost Ariel. Huh we lost Ariel. Yes,

2881
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 1: he's on the bigger and better things. I guess could

2882
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 1: you work with him in the future. It could happen,

2883
02:01:56,440 --> 02:01:57,480
Speaker 1: could happen, It could happen.

2884
02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there's so there's a lot of things kind

2885
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 5: of in fluct some contract stuff. We'll say exactly, it's

2886
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:05,600
Speaker 5: just kind of the industry. We'll see it all pans out.

2887
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 5: But we still got we'll be doing two shows this week.

2888
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 5: I think we were even doing a post fight show

2889
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 5: on the Big Cannoneer.

2890
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 1: Who's he fighting?

2891
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember now hyobohalio.

2892
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:21,000
Speaker 5: Oh right, yeah, that we're gonna do that card. So

2893
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:22,640
Speaker 5: we're going to do a post fight and we got

2894
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 5: our regular Thursday show. So we do the Ringer MMA

2895
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 5: show and I my Byeline is still at the Ringer

2896
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 5: and at the myth dot com m I t h.

2897
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 1: You have yep along.

2898
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 4: Look, why don't you tell the folks how they can

2899
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,440
Speaker 4: get your degenerate bullshit podcast.

2900
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 3: It's on YouTube, main card minute, follow me on social

2901
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,840
Speaker 3: as well, and you know, we hit plus twenty eight

2902
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:42,640
Speaker 3: hundred bets.

2903
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:45,760
Speaker 1: Tune into that. How much do you keep a like,

2904
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 1: what's your ledger? At your betting ledger?

2905
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm up eighteen point five to four units.

2906
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: Is that a lot?

2907
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, anything in the porn industry, it's a lot

2908
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 4: for the porn industry. Eighteen point four you're cooking with gas?

2909
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:01,720
Speaker 1: All right? That is it for us today.

2910
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:03,560
Speaker 4: A reminder you can follow us on social I think

2911
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:05,000
Speaker 4: you put him up already, just one more time if

2912
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 4: you can. Weren't in combat everywhere, Chuck Minden Hall, give

2913
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 4: him a follow on social. Beyond that, we are also

2914
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 4: let's see we have oh oh, hold on, let's tease

2915
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 4: next week Long Island, Luke, somebody sent us a song,

2916
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 4: did they not?

2917
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:20,080
Speaker 1: Man?

2918
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:22,960
Speaker 3: Shout out to Lazy Bed in the chat. He sent

2919
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 3: me an ai MK theme song that apparently he put

2920
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 3: in the MK discord.

2921
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:30,760
Speaker 1: So a bunch of MK fans have already heard it, okay,

2922
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: So I heard it today.

2923
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,760
Speaker 4: I heard a piece of it. Yes, it's fucking great.

2924
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:36,760
Speaker 4: It's fucking great.

2925
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 1: It's really fucking okay.

2926
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 4: So we're gonna play it next week on the show.

2927
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 4: Next week on the show, Randy Katar at noon next

2928
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 4: week as well. It's gonna be fucking awesome the tour. No,

2929
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 4: he like the PFL hit us up was like, hey,

2930
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 4: would you like to have him on the show. We're

2931
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:49,480
Speaker 4: like yeah, sure, and then he didn't show up on

2932
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 4: and then they came back and like, let's put him

2933
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:52,880
Speaker 4: on again, and then he didn't show up again. So

2934
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:54,959
Speaker 4: now we just do a bit like randytore is gonna.

2935
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: Be here at news. All of your PFL stories kind

2936
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 1: of have a similar. Dude, I'm trying to give them media.

2937
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm like literally trying. They don't want it, Okay, I

2938
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,600
Speaker 1: mean I can't make it. You lead a horse to water.

2939
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 4: All right, With that out of the way, we gotta go.

2940
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 4: That is Chuck Mintenhall. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys

2941
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:09,160
Speaker 4: so much for watching.

2942
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:12,200
Speaker 1: BC is back next week and until then, may all

2943
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 1: have your gains.

2944
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 2: Be loyal.