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Speaker 1: top twenty five players for the last twenty five years

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Speaker 1: let's talk some basketball. So first mail bag question from

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Speaker 1: Charles Hey, Jason huge fan, I've always wondered how you

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Speaker 1: felt about older players like Charles Barkley calling today's NBA

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Speaker 1: think we can say that without much debate, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you call it the traditions or the expectations, the unwritten

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of older guys that do pay

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of really smart high IQ basketball players.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think KD was thinking. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was looking at Golden State like shit, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get easy titles over there. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: was thinking about that. I think KD at his core,

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Speaker 1: is a person who loves basketball, and I think he's

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Speaker 1: obsessed with becoming the best basketball player that he can be.

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Speaker 1: And I think he viewed Golden State as the place

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Speaker 1: for that to happen for him. That said, I think

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Speaker 1: it was an error in judgment from the standpoint that

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Speaker 1: I don't think he realized at the time just how

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Speaker 1: ridiculous the backlash would be. But it's not hard to

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Speaker 1: figure out. It's like, dude, you lost to a seventy

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Speaker 1: three win team in the conference finals, when you had

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Speaker 1: a three to one lead, you left your team to

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Speaker 1: join that team, the greatest team of all time, with

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Speaker 1: one of the few guys in the league that's on

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Speaker 1: the same level as Lebron, And then suddenly it's like,

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Speaker 1: the three best players in the league are Lebron, Katy

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Speaker 1: and Steph, and Katie and Steph play together. Like of course,

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Speaker 1: they won a bunch of championships after that, right, So

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Speaker 1: I think there was I think Kd's kind of narrow

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Speaker 1: minded focus on basketball was admirable but foolish at the

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Speaker 1: same time, in the sense that it kind of put

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Speaker 1: him in a position where his reputation kind of suffered

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Speaker 1: as a result. I do think Kadi's recovered that reputation

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Speaker 1: a lot just by virtue of how amazing he is,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people overlooked, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like he won some easier championships, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he's not a great basketball player. Like why were those

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Speaker 1: championships easy? Because Kevin Durand's so freaking good at basketball, right,

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Speaker 1: So I do think that he won people over in

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Speaker 1: the long run, but I mean, predictably, they whooped everyone's ass.

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Speaker 1: They immediately won sixty seven games, They won fifteen consecutive

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Speaker 1: playoff games in the ridiculous Western Conference, finished off the

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Speaker 1: Cavs in five to win Katie's first NBA championship. I

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Speaker 1: had a cool moment in Game three, they pull up

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Speaker 1: three over Lebron. One of the things I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: about that specific shot is that was a shot that

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Speaker 1: Katie worked on his entire career. That high hesitation out

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Speaker 1: of the left hand pull up three in transition has

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Speaker 1: been a go to move for KD his entire career.

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Speaker 1: He's probably practiced it thousands and thousands and thousands of times,

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Speaker 1: and so to see it come to fruition for him

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Speaker 1: on the biggest stage, it is a really cool moment.

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Speaker 1: I think I would imagine that KD looks back on

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Speaker 1: that moment with a lot of funness, but The Warriors

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Speaker 1: went again the following season, and in my opinion, they

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Speaker 1: would have won again in twenty nineteen at KD not

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Speaker 1: torn his achilles. KT finishes his Golden State tenure averaging

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Speaker 1: twenty six points, seven rebounds, and five assists per game

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Speaker 1: on sixty four percent true shooting. I thought twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: was also the best defensive season of his career. He

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Speaker 1: kind of functioned as the low man in Golden State's defense,

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Speaker 1: like Draymond would defend and pick and roll, and Katie

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Speaker 1: would kind of fill that Giannis role where he's guarding

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Speaker 1: the man in the weakside corner but primarily operating as

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Speaker 1: a rim protector. Did a lot of damage at the

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Speaker 1: rim that year. But then he tears his achilles easily

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Speaker 1: the scariest injury for any basketball player, and he just

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Speaker 1: got through it and made the most impressive return from

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Speaker 1: that injury that any of us have ever seen. One

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven regular season games since coming back

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Speaker 1: from his achilles injury, twenty nine to seven and six

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Speaker 1: on sixty six percent through shooting, which is just fucking ridiculous. Man,

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Speaker 1: one great playoff moment, he damn near stole the Eastern

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Speaker 1: Conference semis against Milwaukee with Kyrie Irving out with an

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Speaker 1: ankle injury and James Harden on a Ben Hammy that

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Speaker 1: turnaround jumps out with toe just barely on the line,

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Speaker 1: won two inches back. He is in the Conference finals

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Speaker 1: and probably beats Atlanta and probably has a good chance

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Speaker 1: to beat Phoenix as well. So it's kind of especially

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Speaker 1: if you factor in the ability of Kyrie and James

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Speaker 1: Harden to return to the lineup at full strength at

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Speaker 1: some point over the next month. But then he had

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Speaker 1: two rough shooting series in the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: against Denver and Boston really quickly before we go to

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Speaker 1: his biggest what if Kevin Durant completely mastered theull up

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Speaker 1: jump shot? I think that would be Kevin Durant's like

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Speaker 1: kind of like skill imprint on the game of basketball.

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Speaker 1: KD shot fifty five percent on pull up jump shots

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Speaker 1: this year, like well over half of them. To give

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Speaker 1: you an idea of how outrageous that is. Among players

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Speaker 1: in the NBA who made at least three pull up

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Speaker 1: jump shots per game, nobody in the entire NBA shot

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Speaker 1: over fifty percent on him, and KD was at fifty

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Speaker 1: five percent. So in like the same way that Steph

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Speaker 1: is miles above the rest of the league is at

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Speaker 1: three point shooter. KD is miles above the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league as a pull up jump shooter. And I think

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Speaker 1: I think if you asked KD, what he would tell

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Speaker 1: you was what he would credit for that is his

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Speaker 1: workout routine. And he has a a kind of thing

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Speaker 1: that he says all the time, talking about talking about

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Speaker 1: taking those shots at game speed. And you know, it's

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Speaker 1: funny because I relay that message to the high school

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Speaker 1: players that I coach all the time. But like, if

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Speaker 1: you do not do reps at game speed, then when

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Speaker 1: you get into a game and the physicality goes up

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Speaker 1: a level and things get quicker, just because of the intensity,

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Speaker 1: you will miss shots. And I think a big part

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Speaker 1: of why KD makes as many of the pull up

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Speaker 1: jump shots as he does is when he goes to

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Speaker 1: the gym tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon or whatever to

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Speaker 1: do his shooting workout, He's going to be bringing an

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Speaker 1: intensity to that workout that matches the intensity that he

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Speaker 1: brings in an NBA playoff game, which allows that skill

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Speaker 1: to translate when he gets there maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: less under physicality, but like because you're not obviously gonna

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Speaker 1: get yourself fouled like crazy in a workout, But he

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Speaker 1: gets the most out of every workout because of the

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Speaker 1: intensity that he approaches it with. And just go look

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Speaker 1: up KDE shooting workouts. You can see it. It just

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Speaker 1: looks different with the intensity that he brings to workouts.

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Speaker 1: Biggest one if of KDE's career what if Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: had kept James Harden. Had they done so, they would

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Speaker 1: have had three of the top ten players in the league,

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Speaker 1: all in their primes. And then again, like now you

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Speaker 1: run into that question about talent and how easy a

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Speaker 1: championship looks, right, like because people fans, the general public

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Speaker 1: wants to see a struggle. That's just something that they

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Speaker 1: give extra credit for, you know, fair or not. That's

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Speaker 1: just the way it works. But the thing is is

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Speaker 1: like there's this other thing with public perception where when

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Speaker 1: you dominate but it's homegrown talent, you're off the hook

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Speaker 1: and people just look at that as dominance. It's the

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Speaker 1: It's like the Denver Nuggets, they were the Denver Nuggets

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Speaker 1: were way better than everybody this year. They literally kicked

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Speaker 1: everyone's ass and had they like signed Jamal Murray as

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Speaker 1: a free agent this summer, and signed Michael Porter Junior

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Speaker 1: as a free agent this summer, and like traded for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon and then just did it all this year.

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Speaker 1: There'd be this weird like, Oh, of course they kicked

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Speaker 1: everyone's ass. They you know, went out this summer and

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Speaker 1: spent a bunch of money, Right, But that's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: They were homegrown players, and so Denver whoops everyone's ass

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Speaker 1: and gets all the credit in the world for it, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, I don't think. I think

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Speaker 1: if KD stays didn't if James Harden stays in OKCE,

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Speaker 1: KD stays in OKAC, they probably win multiple championships, and

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Speaker 1: there's probably an entirely different perception surrounding his career. So

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting what if. All right, guys, that is

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Speaker 1: all I have for today. I hope you guys all

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Speaker 1: have an amazing weekend. Don't forget to drop some mailback

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Speaker 1: questions in there. We will be back on Monday with

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Speaker 1: number five the volume