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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Rep Radio Special operations, military news

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Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community. What's

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Speaker 1: going on? This is rad with another great episode of

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Speaker 1: Soft Rep Radio. As always, I have my dad hanging

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Speaker 1: out with me above the fire clubs, and I have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest. All the way from Portsmith, England,

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Speaker 1: at Fort Cumberland, where Napoleon and the French tried to

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Speaker 1: battle the British, is Gary Weaving. Now I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Gary tried to battle the French. I'm saying Gary is

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Speaker 1: at Fort Cumberland where I'm just gonna say it. The

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Speaker 1: SPS was formed, which is like the Special Boat Service,

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Speaker 1: which is equivalent to the Special Air Service. So, if

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Speaker 1: you've ever played Call of Duty and you played the

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Speaker 1: s a S characters, or you ever play Counterstrike video games,

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Speaker 1: you play the sa S characters, or you know about

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Speaker 1: the s a S raids, you know saving hostages SPS

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Speaker 1: is equal, right, and so where Gary is at right

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Speaker 1: now to my guest listening is at the foundation where

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Speaker 1: life was created for the SBS. Gary, Welcome to soft

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Speaker 1: Reap Radio. Hi right, Thank you very much and hif

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Speaker 1: flip listeners, thanks for having me on board. It's absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: You've got me here to die. Yeah, going into what

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Speaker 1: you're just saying, the Special Boat Service who actually formed

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Speaker 1: after the s A S. And they were actually formed

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Speaker 1: to and they were called the Cockston Shell Heroes, and

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Speaker 1: it's written in the history, but when we actually look

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Speaker 1: had there? Well, they actually this history group that celebrate

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Speaker 1: History and Rememberance actually managed to track down one of

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Speaker 1: the original Cockle Shell Heroes knows and it's actually kid

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Speaker 1: and we're actually going to put it back together on

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Speaker 1: And we're trying to get some SPS pectures to come

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Speaker 1: how it's done, a full cycling life is going to

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Speaker 1: actually part of the history and the foundation, not only

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Speaker 1: they don't make you. So you bring out these behavioral patterns,

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Speaker 1: you bring out the traumas of service added to the

427
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: traumas performed service during service after service, you can't. You

428
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're fitting back in. You know, you

429
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: feel like you've lost the family, like you've lost your brothers,

430
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you know. And and a lot of these guys have

431
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: coming from kids, so they know nothing else. Just to

432
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: now be pushed back into civilian wells, which is completely

433
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: foreign to us, is a difficult thing to do, right, difficult.

434
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: Not all struggles, we know that, but a lot, you know,

435
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: and it's because there hasn't been And again they're tried

436
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: to compare. They're tried to keep it inside, right, Gary,

437
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: You're tried to keep it inside. You're not supposed to show.

438
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: You know. You know, I'd rather walk around the shell

439
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: of a person. You know, you're a big guy, rad

440
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: you're a trained guy. I'd rather put your marshal and

441
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: have you and have you snotting on it, then having

442
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: had to deal with your anger and start rolling around

443
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: the floor. You know, there's nothing wrong with emotion. It's

444
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: much easier to do than deal with anger, you know.

445
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: And the forces have had to change their ways. Some

446
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: say it's gone to soft, some say it all depends

447
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: where you look at it from and who you are.

448
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, you use special forces. Guys have got a

449
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: mindset that is beyond other people. But even you guys break,

450
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: even you guys have emotions. Even you guys ex all trauma,

451
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: whether it's from life or from service. And if you

452
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: don't keep a check on it, you don't talk about it,

453
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: you don't deal with it, you don't go to the

454
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: right people, you don't keep off the alcohol, the drugs.

455
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: You know, it will explode. And this is what things

456
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: to be going on in our community. It seems to

457
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: be exploding here to the US. In the US as well. Yeah,

458
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: that's want you to know that it's the same here can.

459
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: I watched you guys all the time. This is what

460
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I really pleased to be able to get to your audience.

461
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Because just because we're Brits, just because we talk in

462
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: a slightly different lingo, we're obviously more attractive than sexy.

463
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: That that goes about saying. But because because of that,

464
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean we're not all fashion blood. You know,

465
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: we all still exactly like everybody else. Okay. But the

466
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: reality of the reality of it is, if you let

467
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: these problems keep going, if you keep that in, these

468
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: problems keep building. The more you let your negatives in

469
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: your life start to build, the more they start to

470
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: get out of controlt You've got a life full of negatives,

471
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and you've got a life full of positives. You have,

472
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: I have, we all have. The more depressed you are,

473
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: the more you monetize, the more you catastrophize, the more

474
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: you avoid and do not deal with those negatives, the

475
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Speaker 1: worst they get. So what we do and with my

476
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: charity is we help you identify what negatives can you

477
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: change and what negatives you can't you Because until they

478
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: developed a Bill Rads that makes that crazy ship go

479
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: away right out your memory for good. Yeah, then you're

480
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: going to have to. You're going to have to deal

481
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: with it. You've got to. So all you can do,

482
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: all you can do with a negative you can't change

483
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: your trauma, experience and emotions, is look at it, learn

484
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: from it, grow from it, and march on. And if

485
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: you can digest it like that and active negative in

486
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: your life becomes education and suddenly become a huge positive.

487
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: And that is what I learned to do. As there's

488
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: parts of my career in life I cannot change. I

489
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: can be angry at the world. I was so angry

490
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I never left my house. I refused to engage. I

491
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to die. I gave up hope, I gave

492
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: up them willing to live. I couldn't see my beautiful wife,

493
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: healthy children roof over my head, And which is more

494
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: than some vections we've got. All I could do was

495
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: catastrophized and focus on the negatives. So we help them

496
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: digest what they can't and learn from it, but we

497
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: help them identifying what they can change. And if you've

498
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: got debt, then we need to look at your debt.

499
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: We need to get you to the right advisors, we

500
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: need to get you to the right charities. If you've

501
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: got the iss yourble wife that you're not getting on with,

502
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: then bring her down and we'll see it all together,

503
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: will count for her, will give her, because it's the

504
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: big part of this. If you've got a bottle of gean,

505
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you sat on the side, you can stop drinking that

506
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: it is a choice, and if you get the right therapy,

507
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: you get the right treatment, you get the right alcohol support,

508
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: you can move on from that. If you've got a massive,

509
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: great hole in your ceiling and it's dripping and it's

510
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: mild d and you sat there in a grim, dirty

511
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: old front room thinking how am I ever going to

512
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: solve this, We'll come around and fix it. We'll fix

513
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: that ceiling, we'll paint that front room, and we'll give

514
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: you and will show you that that negative is actually

515
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: quite changeable. When you're not involved in most emotions, it's

516
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: very easy to stand back and identify easy pathways to

517
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: deal with it. So it's a knock on effect. The

518
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: more negatives you improve, the better life gets. The better

519
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: life gets, the more you know it's your positives, The

520
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: better you feel about yourself, the better moral, the better encouragement,

521
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: the more passion you get to make things better. And

522
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: and then you start to eachself in your positives. If

523
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: you like fishing, get fishing again. If you like supports,

524
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: go for a run. I know your depression, your anxiety,

525
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: your mood is telling you you come. But you can

526
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: if you deal with those negatives. And they could come

527
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: and hit you up for that as well. Through the

528
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: through forgotten veterans, they can say I'm having a hard time.

529
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: The one thing that you that struck me with you

530
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: when we were hanging out was you were either getting

531
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: a phone call or you were working with someone who

532
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: was on their last moment and they're in despair. And

533
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: you were like, rad which, we travel to wherever in

534
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: England that this person needs us, and we go and

535
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: take care of them. And you bring them back to

536
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: those yurts where you you you put them through a

537
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: program that they've agreed to be a part of. And

538
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: that's they're like, this is You're there, You take care

539
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: of them, You bring them in, you help them snot

540
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: on your shoulder if you will, Okay, you help them

541
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: understand that's okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying that because

542
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: you probably had that a hundred times, you know, crying

543
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: on you. I could play the victim card, and I

544
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: did for many years. I sat now convincing myself the

545
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: whole world hates me. I hate the whole world. I've

546
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: got no self worth, I've got no self respect, I've

547
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: got no future. Hope is a massive word in life.

548
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: You have to have hope because if you don't have hope,

549
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: life comes pointless. If life becomes pointless, it becomes dangerous,

550
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: then you give up. But to have hope, you've got

551
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: to have goals, got target, You've got to have reasons

552
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: to exist. Set the two bigger goals. You would slit

553
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: that down to hope this. But the only way you're

554
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: going to achieve those goals is setting achievable ones and

555
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: dealing with those bloody negatives that you can change. And

556
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: And when I looked at my lowest, okay, when I

557
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: needed a friend, when I needed someone to guide with me,

558
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: someone to laugh at me, someone to pick up the

559
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: phone at one o'clock in the morning and say, hey brother,

560
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: it's going to be okay, I give her damn, there

561
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: was no one. So I created the body scheme on Facebook,

562
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: truly groundbreaking, nothing of its salt. And actually a year later,

563
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Facebook invited me to a well mental health seminar and

564
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: asked me to be their keynote speaker because they've never

565
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: seen their platform and social media be used in this

566
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: way before, and it's now being copied hundreds and thousands

567
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: of times, not only by vections but now by civilians.

568
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: When I needed twenty dollars to get to a mental

569
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: health appointment and I couldn't even afford that, I couldn't

570
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: get it. I can put some great charities out there,

571
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: are be able SAPPER to give amazing grants out but

572
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: it's not quick and they know that, you know. So

573
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: I created for hardships where people can read me up

574
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: and go and get as I need twenty quick for

575
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: electric I need school uniforms my kids. I need a

576
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: closer job interview. I need to get to a point

577
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: right to get to this. And when you bump someone

578
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: fifty dollars, it's not the end of the world, but

579
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: to them it's huge. To them, it's meshewe we created.

580
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: We seem to be as human. Like you said, you know,

581
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: we're all human. We all want to have you know,

582
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: the same freedoms and you know dignity that you know

583
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: no matter what our languages are, and So here you

584
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: are saying, you know what you need fifty bucks, fifty quid,

585
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: fifty pounds here here you go. Okay, you may have

586
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: a hundred and you give them fifty leaving you have.

587
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: But to them, you've probably allowed them to go to

588
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: their appointments, You've probably allowed them to put some type

589
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: of food on their table. Very you're really I mean,

590
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put you on this pedestal, bro,

591
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: but there is one that you should be on, and

592
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you know that because there are

593
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: other organizations that are trying to help veterans in England,

594
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: like you know, Pilgrim Bandits and other people. But what

595
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: happens is they become stretched and now their services are

596
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: completely full. So what happens is here in the US

597
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: we have the v A, right, the Veterans Administration, So

598
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: a lot of our veterans, as much as we dog it,

599
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: as much as we make fun of it, it's still there.

600
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Go to the VA hospitals exactly, and so on my

601
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: side of the world, if you are listening to this,

602
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: the VA is very much there to stop you from

603
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: being you know, just like Gary. But Gary doesn't have

604
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: that infrastructure. Over in England like we do here in

605
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the US with the v A. So Gary, I'm just

606
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: breaking this down. He's a piece of pie, of that helping,

607
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get paid. Gary's payment is you living

608
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: and you filing, and you in his heart. That's why

609
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: every month, every time I get a vection that says

610
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: thank you for me or my saying and generally appreciates

611
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: whatever we've done, however big or small, a little piece

612
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: of my soul becomes alive again. And there's nothing like

613
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: one of our slogans is selfless commitments to others. To

614
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: do something selfless for someone else gives you so much

615
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: self respect and so much self worth a paycheck could

616
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: never give me. Yeah, and again, when it came to

617
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: my crisis point, when it came to that moment that

618
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I've given up hope, life had become dangerous, I was

619
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: so mentally or I couldn't see the positive, only focusing

620
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: and rheumatize over the darkness. I tried to take my

621
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: own life in a very serious way, and I'm very

622
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: lucky to be alive. But one thing like that happened

623
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Speaker 1: before that day was I was in crisis and I

624
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: run up a well known organization. In the taxi going

625
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: down the motorway, we've my sleeping back. That's all I had.

626
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Don't ask me why, but my mindset was everywhere, and

627
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: I said, I'm in crisis. I need help today. I

628
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: am going to kill myself today. And and this is

629
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: no thought for their own. But they said, we're not

630
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: set up for this, we can't handle this. We do

631
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of mental health and we have fixed people,

632
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: and we have people have rebuild people, but we do

633
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: not offer concerspasy ship time. What we need is a

634
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: reasonable stable vection to be able to work with them.

635
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: So again, all I've actually ever created is what I

636
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: should have had. So we've now got this retreat and

637
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Speaker 1: this massive thought where partly sponsored by NHS Single and

638
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: Veterans Foundation and various other organizations. It hasn't been easy

639
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: because I stood up and criticized the system I thought

640
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: was told my story, and not all wanted to hear

641
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, and I understand why, But I

642
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: did it for then. I didn't even want to be

643
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: a charity. I had no aspiration as being a charity.

644
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: I was just doing things that made me feel better

645
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: than was making other people feel better. So what we

646
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: do here now is free different sorts of service. We

647
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: do a C one, which basically means immediate threat to life.

648
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: So if a veteran rings me up tonight two miles

649
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: away at four o'clock in the morning and he says, Gary,

650
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to hurt myself. Gary, I need my help today.

651
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: I need him now, we will literally get in the

652
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: bus bomb up there safe to do, so go and

653
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: get them and we'll bring him to Fort Cumberland for

654
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: a four day free night for us, his support break

655
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: with a small care support them, you know, and just

656
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: bringing him here for a jolly isn't actually the answer.

657
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Building up plant an immediate, medium and long term plan,

658
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: building a network for them to go home to, linking

659
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: up with organizations that are in their area so they

660
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: feel supported when they are is important. We also do

661
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: a C two, which is it's not an immediate threat

662
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: for life, but I am very vulnerable, I am very stressed,

663
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: and I'm not open and we bring them in st theory. Okay.

664
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: We do a monthly group C free, which is christ

665
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: when you get fifty or sixty of these in one place,

666
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: you know six wells and we're not just good year olds.

667
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: We're talking eighty year olds. We're talking every core, every rank,

668
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: every service, every conflict, because you know, this isn't just

669
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: affecting young people. A lot of these older veterans have

670
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: been carrying these class for many, many years and never

671
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: had the services that we've got. Now, you know, the Afghanistan,

672
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: the era veterans complain and so it's not enough, there's

673
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: not enough. Well, you should have been around when they

674
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: were in Norman Ireland, when they're in the Fourtlands after

675
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: World War two, correct, there was virtually nothing of this

676
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: sort of assistance. You know what we've realized is, you know,

677
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: it's not a quick fix. You can't do the PowerPoint

678
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: to day force and now you're fixed. This is going

679
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: to It's a marathon, not a race, and they can

680
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: come back here as regularly as they want. We have

681
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: to run something from the seventh Step program and the

682
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: ones that feel they're capable and are able and we

683
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: feel are appropriate once they showed me, it's to show

684
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: me an area stability and they've they've dealt with a

685
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of their negatives and they're working on their positives.

686
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: We then will start giving them more and more responsibility

687
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: every step of the ladder and we'll sit back and

688
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: watch and looking for the cracks and looking for the problems,

689
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: and the extra support and extra work, until we're basically

690
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: training them to be made, training them to be the

691
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: next gas weaving And what it does for them is

692
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: just as bad as for me. And you know, I've

693
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: and so and so. Your staff is there, like you,

694
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: right there there to help there. We have we have

695
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: more experiences to you know, we have some people that

696
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: have heard of us and have had previous mental health

697
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: experience and along careers or still in mental health and

698
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: they come to help us involuntary in their own time.

699
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: But we also have the ones that I went and

700
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: picked off the floor at four o'clock in the morning

701
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: with a handful of pills, or we went out and

702
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: got them off the bridge, or we went and picked

703
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: them up in the night. And we gave them hopes,

704
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: we gave them purpose, we gave them belonging, we gave

705
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: them a reason to try and a reason to get

706
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: back online pushing and only again. And they're not all

707
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the same. You know, I'll probably be straight with you, guys,

708
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a problem in America,

709
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: right and it's not always a palatable opinion. But in England,

710
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: the term PTSD is being abused. It's gone too far.

711
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: You know. We've had a lot of charities jump on

712
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: it as a money maker and you know, and they've

713
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: been diagnosing people without the experience, without the actual history,

714
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: you know. But there lies the problem. There's not enough

715
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: services for mental health. But now suddenly there's an influx

716
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: PTSD mental health. So of course if you can't get

717
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: help in your locals for town and that, you're now

718
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: developing the symptoms of PTSD because you can get help

719
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: for that, you know. And I'm not saying people abusing it.

720
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: It has almost become a badge of honor with some charities.

721
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite the people with the issues

722
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: that are abusing it. If the people who are trying

723
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: to capitalize on those people's vulnerabilities to do better themselves.

724
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: Like I was saying, you take no profit from this,

725
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: and I thot at least you would pull a salary,

726
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, a paycheck, and and that's the big difference

727
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: right there. So someone's palling a paycheck. I didn't start

728
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: this charity for my benefit, Well I did. It's benefited

729
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: me in many many your mental health benefit here in

730
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: your part, I didn't do this for financial gain. I'm

731
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: not trying to empire bills. I'm not trying to draw

732
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: big money and get elaborate offices. And you know, I'm

733
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: just one of the guys. I'm just one of the

734
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: main Just because I'm the CEO, it's only a title.

735
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm still a person. But do you know what, Because

736
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: because I was in care as a child, because I

737
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: was in a gang in London in the nineties, because

738
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: I've been a prison for violence and some of my mistakes, right,

739
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: what it's made me is a very traveled and worldly person.

740
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: And you know when you get taken away into care

741
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: before before you can even walk or talk, and put

742
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: in the care system or possible in system, and you

743
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: may know it. You know you're almost having your your

744
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: life shorts. You smashed the part before your very eyes,

745
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: before you've even been given a chulce. Then you end

746
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: up with the naught ust kids of the Nautius schools,

747
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: with the naught us classes, and you're never going to

748
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: get anywhere. And if you hang around in that, you

749
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: become man. And then then it evolved into gangs all right,

750
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: And I was never a bad man. There was always

751
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: this massive, massive heart in there. They were still Gary.

752
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't a wanker. I just behaved like a wanker.

753
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: There's a difference. And actually all I was doing as

754
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: the lead, it was actually trying to look after my crow,

755
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: trying to look after my gang, because we were all

756
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: dysfunctional teenagers without proper home, without proper has That's right. Literally,

757
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: you guys were, you know, just defending each other, doing

758
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: what you could to survive. It's called the gang, it's

759
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: called rough things, it's called you know that kind of thing.

760
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you need to eat,

761
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: okay and uh, and no one's there to give you

762
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: any food. And when you put someone at their very

763
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: at I don't even I totally understand where you're coming from. Gary,

764
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: and I know Gary has always is in there. Yeah.

765
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: It was just an unhappy, nice bloke that didn't have

766
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: the options, didn't have the love, and didn't have the

767
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: hope that gained up hope. I did some time in prison,

768
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: but do you know what, I've done some horrible things.

769
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: I've I've done some violent things, things I'm not proud of.

770
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: But I can let myself in the mirror, because I've

771
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: never touch someone that didn't ask for it, didn't deserve it.

772
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's my only saving grace. But when I came

773
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: out of prison, I meant, why I just say teen?

774
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: I was a mere boy. I thought I was ten men.

775
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: I thought I was the man. I thought I was

776
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: the top dog. I wasn't. I was a complete idiot

777
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: with grandees evolutions. Right. But she said to me, do

778
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what, Gary, I don't see this reputation. I'm

779
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: not hearing what people say about you. I'm actually seeing

780
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: a very warm, engaging, caring man, right that hasn't got

781
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: sties for his behavior, but he has got reasons. And

782
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: she said, well, do you want to keep getting banging?

783
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Do you want to keep getting in prison? Do you

784
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: want to keep smoking the drugs and doing and doing

785
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: the wrong? Or do you want to live? And that

786
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: lady gave me an action. She gave me a positive

787
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: or a negative road, and I took the positive. And

788
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: do you know what saved me? Having someone to love,

789
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: someone to call home, and a reason to try. And

790
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: when I went in see o me, I had to

791
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: pin down that ship because I was a tasty boy

792
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: in my day, you know, not that was the most

793
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: biggest member in that it was massive and massive, dangerous,

794
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I had to pin down and I

795
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: had to saw a lot of my stuff out to

796
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: be handled. The discipline of the greatest posts. Okay, but

797
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: the reality is actually that the best soldiers because you've

798
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: ever thought it in you all you have. It's as

799
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: simple as that, you know. It's kind of funny. I'll

800
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: tell you, Gary, My dad was a Green Beret Special

801
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Forces you know, the best of the best in the

802
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: army here and and a lot of guys that I

803
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: talked to yourself, others as well, have all come from

804
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: something with the same background. My dad was adopted. My

805
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: dad came from a situation where he was kind of

806
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: passed around in um in the bars in Wisconsin when

807
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: he was a little baby, and and then people that

808
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: own the bars kind of passed him around as a child,

809
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: and he grew up in a bar until he was

810
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: adopted at twelve, and then and joined the Navy seventeen

811
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: to the Navy of Vietnam and then became a Green

812
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Beret for the rest of my time. As my dad,

813
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, I talked to a lot of guys who

814
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: have had some type of like a broken background, you know,

815
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: where it wasn't just like my dad gave me the home,

816
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: gave me the mom, gave me the dad gave me

817
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: the church to go to every Sunday, gave me some

818
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: type of structure, you know. But I like to say

819
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: that he learned what it is that's right, the reason

820
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: to try. So, you know, I seem to get saying

821
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: all the ventions that they can't handle, especially the younger ones,

822
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, all the ones that don't fit into the mold,

823
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: all the ones that have been on the drugs, being

824
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: in the prison's got the deepest, most routset problems. Yeah.

825
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: And they walk in there and a closet there, and

826
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: I make sound quite clear. I tell him, miss up,

827
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: miss up? Did this? I push that is this? I've

828
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: done many many things wrong in my life and they

829
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: look at me as a mental Why are you telling

830
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: me this is quite frank right, I'm not here to

831
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: look down on you. I'm not here to judge you

832
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: were both a couple of knobs. I'm just further along

833
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: in my rehabilitation and I don't care what you tell

834
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: me what you done worse, But I don't care what

835
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: you tell me as long as you tell me the truth.

836
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: I can handle truth, but I can't handle bullshit as

837
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: soon as I smell that coming, and I'm like, this

838
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: ain't the way our relationship is going to start. And

839
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: they need that daddy, They need that personal they need

840
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: that person is going to pick up the police station

841
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: half for in the morning and go, what the funk

842
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: have you done? Now? No, can you do a mood

843
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: chart and tell me how you feel? Are you feeling that?

844
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: You know? That way that works well for some, but

845
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: the veteran community, at the most troubled ones, it's got

846
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: to have the straight talking. Some days, I'm the mommaid.

847
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: They're in there for the for the breast fading, and

848
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: they're they're there and well you know, you know toddling, Yeah, yeah,

849
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: you know. And some days they need to daddy, They

850
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: need to be told what the fuck was that? That's right.

851
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: Look a service in the NHS has gotten what. You

852
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: cuddled them, you you told them, you touched them. Oh

853
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: you can't do that, Well, why can't you know? We're

854
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: just holistic. It's a holistic medicine. You know, healing. You

855
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: can heal with the power of hands, you know, hugging,

856
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: and you know there is something that goes along with

857
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I literally shaking hands with somebody, you

858
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: connect when you've done naked bar sliding with a hundred

859
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: and fifty naked squaddies, what's the hug? It's nothing to us, Okay.

860
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: The reality is sometimes they need to hug, all right.

861
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: It's a bit like when you do well, you get

862
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: a pat on the back. You keep doing well, you

863
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: get a stripe. Yeah, that's the way it works. If

864
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: you're sunk up, you're in front of the badge, your

865
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: bowls are on the table, and now you eat. Now

866
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: you are on your part. So all I actually give

867
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: them what they already done, and it doesn't work for all.

868
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I have to be selective. I have to be careful.

869
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I have to watch emotion triggers, body language. And I

870
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: went to up it and went to But sometimes sometimes

871
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: these people need some straight talking red and we're in

872
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: a safe, cuddly world. Now to PC who work brigades,

873
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: and they they're not really understanding how we were formed,

874
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: how we were broken, how we rebuild, how we coach stress,

875
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: how it's inappropriate wrong. No, we oversexualized, you know, if

876
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: you're not going to beat that, if you're not gonna

877
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: train that. That's what we are now in society. Okay.

878
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: And I have some wonderful, wonderful civilians okay that have

879
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: realized they're in our world and they must adjust to us.

880
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: But we're now in a world where are a lot

881
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: of large organizations to health services that that you know,

882
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: it's you can't do this, and you can't say that,

883
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: and it's are you her or him as Shim missed him,

884
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's all gone so crazy that people

885
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: are now frightened to give an opinion. And yeah, yeah, yeah,

886
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: these people want to put you. They want to, they

887
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: want to they want to what's the word I'm trying to.

888
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: They want to like, you know, stifle you. They want

889
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: to like, you know, put chains on you. Still do

890
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but don't. It's like, but I can't.

891
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I have to break these chains. I have to hug somebody.

892
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: I've got to maybe get the belt out. I gotta

893
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, you have a seventeenth century urinal you might

894
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: need to go cit Okay, Yeah, yeah, And that's that's

895
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: just say I will keep situations. You know. One time

896
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: it was mentioned by the NHS. Maybe you should have

897
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: body armor and a camera, all right, you know what

898
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: I said to that, there's nothing like a body armor

899
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: and camera, just so you must trust me. But I

900
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: don't trust you. Simple fill the passion, right. I was

901
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: willing to let the Sally Band show me. I'm willing

902
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: to to take a risk. I might get a punch

903
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: in the face or a slap, or it kicks off

904
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: one day, you know. But the military was a job

905
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: to me. It was a lifestyle. It was it was everything.

906
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: And when I lost that, like many many other veterans,

907
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: wherever their career ended well with vala high rank, or

908
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: injury or trauma or addiction or mental illness, when you

909
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: when you come out, you've lost that. And for me,

910
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: selfless commitments to others the veteran community, what I do

911
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: has replaced that massive pull. And someone said to me, guest,

912
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: if you could wake up quite a few pounds without

913
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: all the operations and the health conditions, would you go

914
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: back in tomorrow? And I looked and square in the

915
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: face that I said, no one, And they went that

916
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: surprises me, because you're clearly a leader, and I said

917
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: that I am, But I was one of eighty thousand

918
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: told where to stand, where to go, and what to

919
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: do here. I'm a person and I could serve my

920
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: country and serve my community, but greater than I ever

921
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: could before. I'm now quibbling because I am a little

922
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: bit bonkers about whether I should be going out to

923
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: your crime not to fight. Not fine. But we met

924
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: the veterans, the Ukrainian Veterans Minister at our ambassador's party

925
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: at Westminster recently. She she nearly became the Prime Minister. Yes,

926
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: sadly she didn't get the position, and I think country

927
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: is going to be a loss for that. But we

928
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: met the Ukrainian Veteran Minister and they made it quite

929
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: clear we don't even have a mental health system. They're

930
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: learn something for the veterans, and they are very very

931
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: very very worried about what they're going to do with

932
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: some of the traumas and the injuries not just from this,

933
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: not just from the soldiers but also the civilians. And

934
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: I've now got this moral thing inside me going, should

935
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I be doing a hack or ridge started Styley, you know,

936
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: armed walking stick, rocking up to you, trying you know,

937
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: with and try and get to the right people and

938
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: say Look, there is no pure for ptsday. Don't matter

939
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: what you do. You've got to obsessic. You've got to

940
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: learn from it. Then you've got to base it. That

941
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: is the only way forward. But you gotta put it

942
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: on a leash. Yeah, there's no sense in putting body

943
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: armor on and wearing a camera and trying to be

944
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: vulnerable with that person. At the same time, they probably

945
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: feel very put off by that, Like, wait, I thought

946
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: you were going to be like comforting, and this is

947
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: not comforting to see a camera and now body. And

948
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: if you said, well, I'm here to protect myself, that

949
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: might just trigger somebody even further. So if they see

950
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: you coming in unarmed, just with your you know, just

951
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: who you are, they're probably gonna be more receptive to

952
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: the treatment. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit like being

953
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: a comedian. You must change your color to surround what's

954
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: in front of you, you know, Rhino the Flamingos party.

955
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: So I have to make some really quick judgments from

956
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: what I see, whether it be are they intoxicated, are

957
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: they all drugs? Are they emotional? Are they angry? Are

958
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: they young? Are they old? Or sort of comic? You know,

959
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: And you have to be at to that to what

960
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: you're coming coming to, right. But what I'm just try

961
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: and show more than anything when I walk into these

962
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: people's eyes at two o'clock in the morning or whatever

963
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: it may be, is qussion and love more men think,

964
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, and being a human, not a robot, not

965
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: a mental health book. You know, a human, you know,

966
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: just put your hand on someone, not you that sometimes

967
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: just putting your hand on a solder and go, brother,

968
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm here, I get it. I understand. It's always a

969
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: good place to start, you know. So as we've gone through,

970
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: we work on the positives, we decrease the negatives. We

971
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: move on from the non changeable negatives, but you know,

972
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: having them have somewhere to come, somewhere, to be, somewhere,

973
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: to be part of, something, to belong to. You know.

974
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: We work as a team. We cook as a team,

975
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: we laugh as a team, we cry together. We also

976
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: go out. The first couple of years has been down here,

977
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: and I was like very veteran on veteran, quite blinked

978
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: by that, very blinkers you know. Lara Ranks help be

979
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: Larnt peer on peer, peer mentoring, buddy on buddy, you know,

980
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: and chance one day we ended up with some adults

981
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: with learning to support He's getting in contact from wanting

982
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: to visit the four. They were very they'd seen us

983
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: all over the papers at a local level, seen us

984
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: on Telly, and they decided they wanted to come and

985
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: meet some veterans and then and there was there was

986
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: a reason for that, you know. And when they come,

987
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: some of my most vulnerable guys and girls, some of

988
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: the most quietest, some of the ones that don't engage

989
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: too well, I actually saw a lot of warmth and

990
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of inspiration and a little light in

991
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: their eyes that I hadn't seen before. So it's assume

992
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: very much realized. Actually it doesn't have to be veterans

993
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: helping veterans have self dice commitment and self work. It

994
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: can be veterans helping civilians. It can be veterans helping

995
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: the minorities and the vulnerable civilians and also doing that.

996
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: Not only do we help say, adults with learning difficulties

997
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: and give them a camp, and we dance with them,

998
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: and we make stuff with them, and we can with them,

999
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: and we cook with them, and we teach them how

1000
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: to build a fire. It teaches not only does it

1001
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: give them a really great experience. But it also shows

1002
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: civilians that are naturally know a lot about our community

1003
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: that we are human, We are people. You know, we're

1004
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: not baby killers, were not this machine, this robot. We

1005
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: are actually people and vegians. Helping civilians, disadvantaged civilians has

1006
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: become a huge part of what we do now. And

1007
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: we go out and we build community gardens and we

1008
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, if the phone calls is whether it's to

1009
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: the veterans. These are the veterans that you're bringing together

1010
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, yeah, whatever that to build the gardens. Yeah,

1011
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: they year old navy veterans in their in their eighties,

1012
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: elder women, but could do them hands painting up their flat.

1013
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: We'll go and do it because it gives them something,

1014
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: it gives us. It teaches these guys and his skills TeamWorks.

1015
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, for so many people that have got trained

1016
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: by the best military in the world, okay and the team,

1017
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: such team skills, such disciplines, a lot of them have

1018
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: lost that, a lot of them have lost sight of

1019
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: what they were and what they were about. To put

1020
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: them back in instances where they've got to work together,

1021
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: they've got to get along with each other. They've got

1022
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: to give understanding and sympathy and respect to each other,

1023
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: even if they're not their sort of person. You know,

1024
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: if there are if no one likes our af so

1025
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to look past the cat parsenal

1026
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: banter you've got and you've got to find something within

1027
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: and us helping civilians are helping each other, us working together,

1028
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: us getting new skills in a huge hard what this

1029
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: garry is about. You know, I can't save them all.

1030
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: I've had thousands of bedrooms for the last four years,

1031
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: thousands of thousands, more than people would ever imagine. We

1032
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: go much, so, much further than what most people do.

1033
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: But there has been a very small selection, maybe five

1034
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: or six, that it didn't matter how much money, how

1035
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: much love, how much cheek turning, how many chances, how

1036
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: many how many cuddles, how many grippings. They just weren't ready.

1037
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: And when we withdrew to pull him is who's drugs,

1038
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: Whether it's just mental health, with it's just due to

1039
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: poor attitude. Yeah, And over the years I've taken them

1040
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: quite personally, and I've almost felt like I felt people

1041
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: and I could have done more, and I should have

1042
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: done more. And should I have gone further that I

1043
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: have not said that. Done it's done that. But the

1044
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: reality is you can only lead the horse to water

1045
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: around so many times, and if you don't drink, he's

1046
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: going to die at deidration. And there has been some

1047
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: that I've had to say, We've had one recently that's

1048
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: just ended up back in prison again because despite all

1049
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: our best efforts, he got back on the back, you know,

1050
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: and he ended up back in prison. And he was

1051
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: a nasty little twat in the edge, you know. And

1052
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: but the reality is part of what I'm good at

1053
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: and showing empathy and sympathy, and I realized it's not

1054
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: him that's been a nasty little twat, it's the drug

1055
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: to make him a naughty little to And despite the

1056
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: abuse and that we got in the end, you know what,

1057
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm still going to write that man in prison, I'm

1058
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: still going to reach out. I'm still gonna you might

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: you might not like the moment. You may not. You're

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: still probably very angry with yourself if you're honest, right,

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: and the easiest thing is to blame every other people

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: for your failures. But the day you come out, if

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01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: you are clean and you want to try again, and

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 1: you want that one more chance, then come and see me,

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: because I will give you that opportunity. Because if people

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01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: haven't given me first, second, third, four chances in my life,

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be who I am today. And that is

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 1: how I find my love and empathy with some really

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: ungrateful and quite bracle people. Sometimes that it's your trauma,

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: it's your mental health, it's your addiction that speaks. There's

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: a garry inside you just haven't had that opportunity. You

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01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: haven't had that mrs where you can give you love

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: a chance yet, you know. So we're very proud of

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01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: what we've created over here in the UK. It's against

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: the grain. If every other person went right, I certainly

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01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: went left. You know. I didn't want to become part

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: of the problem. I wanted to become part of the solution.

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01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,480
Speaker 1: And our ideas have been initiative and we haven't imitated.

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: And there's it's very easy to imitate with a safe

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: safe back, follow the crowd, follow the roles, don't come

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: out of that safety box. But we've got a million

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: organizations like that, and we wanted to be the ones,

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, any more than wrote a smash it book

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: for Brittain after the storm during COVID, and it went

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01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: to every world leader around the world and she gave

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01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: every penny of that to charity and we were recipients

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01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: and we actually got a full writer. And I can't

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: remember the whole text that there are certain words I

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01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: do remember, and it said forgotten veterans, Forgotten veterans that

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01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: are leading from the front, Forgotten veterans there showing that

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: there's a new way. Forgotten veterans tread where others a

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01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: fear and a bread to about where others want. And

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: Matt says, an awful lot. It's hard, it's written. Does

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't see my family. I sleep more here than

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01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: I do in my own space. But I wouldn't change right,

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change your thing. And your family knows you,

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, and they know that you're there all the time. Gary,

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: they know this is you bro like your family. I'm

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01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: just gonna let you know that I think your family

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01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: loves you very much. Okay. Someone said to my wife,

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you, yeah, tell me, tell me. Someone

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: said to my wife very recently, said that you've lived

1103
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: and literally given your husband away. How do you cope?

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: With this because most women put what put up with it.

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: I put ourselves in a lot of debt to do this.

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: I nearly lost my home over this. You know. But

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01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: some people call me stupid, some people call me a

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: song But do you know what she said? She said,

1109
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: I had my husband, mab Army, a broken, broken man.

1110
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: He wasn't the confident, loud, funny, inspirational leader. He was

1111
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: a broken shell with no hope for self worth. He

1112
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: may have sat in my front room five years staring

1113
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: at the world, but he was never my husband. Once.

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a happy, part time husband than a

1115
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: dead and there you got it. Yeah, you know, behind

1116
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: every woman ever you have good is a good woman.

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, she knew I was different, she knew I

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: was old, She knew I was a character. She knew

1119
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: that I was probably destined to be more than the

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: hood rats selling the drugs in the prison, on the drugs,

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, probably more than just another soldier. And I'm

1122
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: going to keep going. I've got so much more to give.

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: I've got so much more to offer. I need the money,

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: of course I don't, but not to spend on luxury

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01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: and marble faces to develop this character with yeah, yeah, yeah,

1126
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: but you put that money towards good used to people's lives. Yeah,

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: of course I promised to give every penny to the vengeans.

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01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 1: It's their money. It doesn't belong to me, makes no

1129
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: business sense, but I don't care. It's for them. I'll

1130
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: give it to them, and I'll will I will walk

1131
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: on hot coals to these individuals as long as they're

1132
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: prepared to take off their shoes and stocks, hold my

1133
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: hands and join me. And they Gary, there's difference. They

1134
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: feel that they really feel the love. Gary, Is there

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: a way that you take donations? Can I have you

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01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: tell me? Like what we could put it in the

1137
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: in the blog when we post this up for the

1138
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: podcast of course to our listeners. But yes, if somebody donate,

1139
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: like you know, some money, yeah, by all means. There

1140
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: is details on our Facebook page. There's details on our

1141
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: Facebook group. There's a donate Forgotten Veterans UK dot com,

1142
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: which is our website. We're just about to build a

1143
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: new one because the charity's movie so quickly we can't

1144
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: keep up with it, but there is a donate button

1145
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: on there. I'd like to hear some more American veterans.

1146
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: Do you know I said this stupid when I met

1147
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: you before Red. I'd like to try and make some

1148
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: money away from our charity. Yeah, to get some American

1149
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: vectans come to Britain and come to the come to

1150
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: more Cumberland and come and spend some time with us

1151
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: doing what the bridge, learning our thinking, looking at our

1152
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: mindsets and seeing if just because there's water between this,

1153
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: if it can't be used in exactly the same Mica.

1154
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: But also to educate ourselves on stuff that the Americans

1155
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: are doing that we may not be doing. You know,

1156
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: I might sound like sound like Jesus the veterans, but

1157
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: life is a learning experience and I've got a lot

1158
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: more to learn and I've got a lot more to give.

1159
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: So let's get the boys over from the Americans. There's

1160
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: no tea bowe steaks, that's right, and you are getting

1161
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: none of that ship. Brother. We call it a fish

1162
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: figure samwich over in you know, simple rations, lots of

1163
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: British loving, And let's see if we can get the

1164
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: Americans and lee Britage together, see if we can learn

1165
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: more from each other, and see if we can get

1166
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: some of these methods taken over to the States and

1167
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: a different kind of authority, a different kind of life

1168
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: coaching system brought out to that you know, never know,

1169
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: it's so true. It's so true, Gary, you know, if

1170
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: you go back and watch a couple other episodes that

1171
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: I've posted, I've talked to a few other former military

1172
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: Navy seals and some other guys. They have to go

1173
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: outside of the US to do this, but they do

1174
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: like a different type of herbal you know, therapy. So

1175
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: they go to like I think it's like Chili or Peru,

1176
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: and they take certain types of you know, shaman style

1177
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: medicines under you know, watchful eyes all legit. It's just

1178
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: like you can't do it in the US because the

1179
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: US has rules against that plant. Yeah, it's like, well,

1180
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: the problem in you d is we like to say

1181
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: and play it safe, and that's part of the problem.

1182
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: And we decide if this is what we're going to use,

1183
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: and this is the method, and if you want funding

1184
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: your use, if you won't use anything else, And sometimes

1185
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: you've really got to think outside that. You've got to

1186
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: try new things. You've got to try new methods because

1187
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: who is to say one thing works well for one

1188
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: person that doesn't work for another. And in Britain at

1189
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: the moment, there's exactly massive trends that everyone gets put

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: into a CBC shaped hole and you cannot treat blanket

1191
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,959
Speaker 1: treatment veterans. You cannot. You have to build the therapy

1192
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: to life coach in the psychological support around the individual

1193
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: and Taylor make it to their life their mindset there well,

1194
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: and that's what we do it for Cumberland. We build

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: it around the individual. We don't squeeze everything individual into

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01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: one thing. Well, I want to say thank you for

1197
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: your time. I know we're across the world talking right now,

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01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: and Gary, it's been pleasure to have you as a

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Speaker 1: guest on Soft Rep on my radio show. And if

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: I have another opportunity to have you on, we can

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01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: talk further more about your veterans program that you have

1202
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: over there, which is the Forgotten Veterans the UK and

1203
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: to my listener, Forgotten Veterans UK on Facebook on the internet.

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01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: Just look that up. Look up Gary, find that donate button.

1205
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: Help him keep this going. And if you are an

1206
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: American veteran looking to team up with someone and ping

1207
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: pong ideas off each other, Gary's your man, all right,

1208
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to find I want to think

1209
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: Big Phil, though, I gotta say Big Phil bro, Big

1210
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: Phil Campion is the reason why we know each other.

1211
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: I gotta throw his name in here. He's gonna listen,

1212
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: did Rat say my name? This rat cuddles? Where's Rat?

1213
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: Who's Big Rat? He's a wonderful He's a monster of

1214
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: the man. And I wouldn't I would not say. But actually,

1215
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: when you get to know him, he's got amazing You

1216
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: might have that crusty body armor. And you know, people

1217
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: look at this big Bro so big. People look at

1218
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: me in the early days, and this dude is too

1219
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: good to be true. Where's the angle, where's the hustle? Where?

1220
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: What is it? What is he getting from this? Right?

1221
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: But I just stubbed my ground. Are cats on trying,

1222
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: are kept on pushing and in the end being Big

1223
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: Field was like, come here, as you know, I'm getting

1224
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: miss on failing. Miss I'll get your thinking. You know,

1225
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: he would be sticking his name to this if he

1226
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: didn't believe this was the real deal and the future.

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, I believe I've got the solution to the

1228
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: veteran crisis. I just need enough money to get behind me,

1229
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: enough people to get behind in and are funding the

1230
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: money to really take this to where it should be.

1231
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I hope that we can at least

1232
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: make this aware with our podcast. And I want to

1233
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: thank you Gary for being a part of this all

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01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 1: the way from Fort Cumberland on the bottom of England.

1235
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at the world app and you're

1236
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: looking at England at the very bottom right across from

1237
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: Normandy sits Ports Smith and Southampton, and right there is

1238
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: where the d D invasion and everybody took off, and

1239
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: you're right on the coast, bro And I just want

1240
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: to say much love to you. Next time you're in

1241
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: the UK, let's hook up. Come down there, come for

1242
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: a big, big uncle guys special cuddle. You're a monster

1243
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: of the man, but I can see a good heart.

1244
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: So when I'll say one, all right, you take care brother.

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: I will Americans, all the serving veterans, anyone wants to

1246
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: get incomes. I may not be able to fund you,

1247
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 1: I may not be able to give you the donations,

1248
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: but my time is free. And if I combined enough

1249
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: time in the day to spend me some of your guys,

1250
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: I will give them my time. Respects and love what

1251
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: straight to love? Okay, Well, with that I'm gonna say

1252
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: thank you for turning into this episode of soft Wap

1253
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: with Gary and my Name is Rad say a piece

1254
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: use them listening to self rep Radio