Speaker 1: Niggive Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership
Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. We've got one of the scions
Speaker 1: the leaders on the on the left, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar,
Speaker 1: who is making a really interesting argument uh to uh,
Speaker 1: to Democrats, to progressives, of those who are trying to
Speaker 1: build an anti Trump coalition. And I'm interested to hear
Speaker 1: what y'all think on the other side of these comments.
Speaker 2: I was reading an article today about your comments on
Speaker 2: a major Marjorie Telegreen and the fact that we should
Speaker 2: have empathy for people like her who've realized all this stuff, right,
Speaker 2: why do you get to that point? Like, why not
Speaker 2: just like leave her where she is and let her
Speaker 2: do what she thinks she's doing. Oh, I'm good to
Speaker 2: leave her where she is, let me do what she's doing.
Speaker 3: I guess why.
Speaker 4: No. I mean my point is this, if you were
Speaker 4: let stray, and you are adult enough, honest and enough
Speaker 4: to say I was wrong into believing that this was
Speaker 4: the right direction for our country. And I want to
Speaker 4: join you all because I now understand that you had
Speaker 4: it right. I'm like, welcome, right, I'm glad you finally
Speaker 4: got here because we believe that we are on the
Speaker 4: right side of history. Now, am I gonna be key
Speaker 4: keying with her?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: So when you're when you're calling for Democrats to show
Speaker 5: grace to former Trump supporters, what.
Speaker 4: Grace I am not? Okay, No, it's not the Trump supporters.
Speaker 4: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you had
Speaker 4: a change of heart in regards to policy.
Speaker 1: What if you're a Trump supporter who had a change
Speaker 1: of hear.
Speaker 3: Policy?
Speaker 4: Okay, not you know. I mean if your list Chainey
Speaker 4: and you're like, I'm not voting for Trump, but I
Speaker 4: I'll vote for Harris. But you still hold right the
Speaker 4: all of your policy views that aligned with Trump, that
Speaker 4: means that means nothing to me.
Speaker 1: I don't So what about former Trump supporters like the
Speaker 1: march retailer Green.
Speaker 4: But if you are marginally Taylor Green and you say
Speaker 4: this man is taking us to wars that will destroy
Speaker 4: us and our resources in the future of our children,
Speaker 4: that is a policy position I have. I'm anti Wall.
Speaker 5: What does grace look like without letting those people off
Speaker 5: the hook.
Speaker 4: Grace looks like saying I agree when they make a
Speaker 4: policy point of view. Grace looks like not dismissing when
Speaker 4: somebody wants to join your coalition not just as a
Speaker 4: voting block, but as an advocate for the policies that
Speaker 4: you believe will create a better world for all of us.
Speaker 6: Can I just say I appreciate Iohans grace, But I'm
Speaker 6: a Scorpio, so my memory is long.
Speaker 3: So I just want to.
Speaker 6: Refresh everyone's recollection on why Marjorie Taylor Green will always
Speaker 6: be a beach blindeilt butch body please roll the clip.
Speaker 7: The form of the resolution is as follows recognized censuring
Speaker 7: Representative Ilhan Omar of Somalig I mean Minnesota cut.
Speaker 6: That's all we need to see. Raggedy broad Wow. Now
Speaker 6: I wanted to play that because she wasn't just offensive
Speaker 6: to il Han as she sought her censure for God
Speaker 6: only knows what reason. She wasn't just offensive when she
Speaker 6: said that she needed to be packing in the halls
Speaker 6: of Congress because she didn't trust terrorists quote unquote terrorists
Speaker 6: like Ilhan Omar and others of her colleagues who she was.
Speaker 6: She was always on the squad's ass. She wasn't just
Speaker 6: problematic when she was in congressional hearing rooms, the Oversight
Speaker 6: Committee in particular, where she said to Jasmine Crockett she
Speaker 6: can't hear her over her eyelashes, which is where beach
Speaker 6: Blonde bad built. Sorry, butch body came from. She did
Speaker 6: not have a Freudian slip on the House floor when
Speaker 6: she said Ilhan omar from Somalia, I mean Minnesota. That
Speaker 6: was with intention, and so I appreciate the moral convenience
Speaker 6: that she now has of calling out Donald Trump. But
Speaker 6: you don't even have a vote in the House of
Speaker 6: Representatives anymore.
Speaker 3: So what good is that? What good is that? What
Speaker 3: are you actually doing?
Speaker 8: Did she meet herself?
Speaker 1: You mute yourself?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I was so mad. I didn't hit
Speaker 3: the mic.
Speaker 6: I was saying, I don't know, okay, I would yield
Speaker 6: that if you really think that that's good, I just
Speaker 6: will just say I will just say that. She's saying, well,
Speaker 6: if you agree on Ilhan says, if you agree with
Speaker 6: us on policy, now, then we got some road to go.
Speaker 6: But the problem with the policy coalition that now sees
Speaker 6: the light. The policy coalition needs to still have a
Speaker 6: vote in Congress, and she has resigned.
Speaker 3: So that is of no use to us.
Speaker 6: You are of no, you're not even of transactional use
Speaker 6: to us again, as the Congressional black Caucuss always says,
Speaker 6: no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, No, just permanent interests.
Speaker 6: We don't even have a permanent interest because there's nothing
Speaker 6: you can do but be on Twitter yapping all day,
Speaker 6: which is all she does.
Speaker 3: So I do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's permanent.
Speaker 8: And that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 3: Elections.
Speaker 9: Elections are about multiplication and addition.
Speaker 6: She still don't want y'all to have Medicare, Medicare, any
Speaker 6: type of Obamacare.
Speaker 3: She still don't want people on snap benefits.
Speaker 6: She still wants people deported, even if they are legally
Speaker 6: in the United States. Where where is the interest? Is
Speaker 6: the interest just in Iran? Is that just about war?
Speaker 5: Does she have to have interest in all of that?
Speaker 5: I hear, look, and I hear what you're saying. Like,
Speaker 5: I think we all we all feel that same want
Speaker 5: to hang out with her, But like, does she have
Speaker 5: to have to destabilize portions of the Republican base that
Speaker 5: will allow us to get back power at the midterms.
Speaker 5: I just think, like Blackfoot, we have we have too
Speaker 5: much to lose to not be strategic in moments like this.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, I don't have no empathy for Marjorie
Speaker 5: Taylor Green.
Speaker 8: I have strategy. I have strategy.
Speaker 5: Because our kids depend on us to be strategic over emotional,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: And so that's kind of where I sit with it.
Speaker 3: I think I just talked about permanent interest.
Speaker 6: But I guess what I would love for you all
Speaker 6: to answer, since you all still see some earthly good
Speaker 6: in his broad please tell me what the interest is
Speaker 6: that she's accomplishing. Andrew, I heard you say defeating Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: She's gonna defeat Donald Trump with hot Twitter fingers.
Speaker 3: Where do you see her?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you. Do y'all see her at a
Speaker 3: rally campaigning for John Austin.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I don't need her to do that.
Speaker 1: We don't need her to induce.
Speaker 8: You don't. We don't want that.
Speaker 1: What we need her to do is to remind these
Speaker 1: people who's similar to her. And I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: I do doubt how bamboozoo she was. I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: that this was a bamboozoo, right. I think there were
Speaker 1: some inconvenient disagreements that may have put her on the
Speaker 1: outs that then were in furtherance of her going on
Speaker 1: the outs, for instance, indicating to Trump and his advisers
Speaker 1: that she wanted to run for governor, Trump responding, no,
Speaker 1: you do not want to run for governor, and you
Speaker 1: will not run for governor of the state of Georgia,
Speaker 1: and her feeling some type of way about the man
Speaker 1: she's been so loyal to deciding to turn his back
Speaker 1: on her, and the timing being such that her retirement
Speaker 1: coincided with her being vested with congressional retirement benefits because
Speaker 1: she just met the threshold the day before she decided
Speaker 1: to resign from Congress. So I think there's some convenience
Speaker 1: built in there. But this is where I think her
Speaker 1: additive value is. It is in that there are people
Speaker 1: who are similar to her, adjacent to her, who say
Speaker 1: they felt that Trump was going to carry the banner
Speaker 1: of not com passion for immigrants, but getting them out
Speaker 1: of this country. I didn't want to see brutality on
Speaker 1: my television station. I wanted to see them loaded on
Speaker 1: planes and flown out of here. It is I expect
Speaker 1: you to see America first, and that's not what we
Speaker 1: got because he's an international list and it's taken US
Speaker 1: dollars and spending them elsewhere. So she can go out
Speaker 1: and carry a message that she's she's deeply steeped in
Speaker 1: that she has credibility on with people who we need
Speaker 1: credible messages to be in front of to do one thing.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, because I don't think they
Speaker 1: can be counted on to vote for Democrats. But those
Speaker 1: who do have got you know, go forth and do
Speaker 1: great things. I think they can be counted on to
Speaker 1: stay home.
Speaker 8: Stabilize them, to sit it out. Yep, that's yeah.
Speaker 9: I think today i'k in the base. We got to
Speaker 9: week in the base. I mean you gotta and I
Speaker 9: gotta remember we come up to seven that's seventy five
Speaker 9: million votes. I mean, if you can, if you can
Speaker 9: weaken them, get them dis chanted, stay home, those type
Speaker 9: of things, get that number back down to reasonable sixty nine.
Speaker 9: You know, seventy you win, you win a presidency.
Speaker 1: All of our minds will grown over Trump winning in
Speaker 1: sixteen because we did not expect the white turnout to
Speaker 1: be supercharged, and he supercharged at base of white voters
Speaker 1: who did not show up before, who all of a
Speaker 1: sudden showed up at the polls.
Speaker 5: Non college educated white verse, which is what Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 5: greensles influences white non college educated voters that didn't participate
Speaker 5: in politics, and now they do, and they may be
Speaker 5: feeling a little politically homeless. As you said, all we
Speaker 5: need to do is just to stabilize them.
Speaker 3: I guess it's hard for me to.
Speaker 6: Argue for like to encourage, to encourage people to stay home.
Speaker 6: I would rather people be informed and do the right thing.
Speaker 6: And I think what's frustrating to me in this particular
Speaker 6: moment is if you put like do a pros and
Speaker 6: cons list, and Marjorie Taylor Green's pros and consless was
Speaker 6: right here on the policy she supports.
Speaker 3: She is ninety nine point eight percent aligned.
Speaker 6: With the GOP that is still MAGA based, And so
Speaker 6: I just don't trust that she is actually going to
Speaker 6: do the work of our interests that y'all are hoping
Speaker 6: she does.
Speaker 3: She's not going to interest I'm exactly, but I.
Speaker 6: Don't think that she's even going to be that helpful.
Speaker 6: I think her points are strictly on Iran and Israel.
Speaker 6: I think that those are the only places where she
Speaker 6: is really hitting Trump and then on her Christianity, since
Speaker 6: she also hit him about what he said on Easter,
Speaker 6: which was still related to the war and what he's
Speaker 6: doing around Jesus.
Speaker 1: So I guess she has credibility in that. But in
Speaker 1: every headline of from Fox.
Speaker 3: News with us, it.
Speaker 1: Gets us in the ears of people who like her,
Speaker 1: believed in him, who are now being told by somebody
Speaker 1: that they trust that he is not what we thought
Speaker 1: we were getting.
Speaker 8: He is.
Speaker 3: He's not on the ballot for midterms.
Speaker 6: What is she getting us about it?
Speaker 3: No, he's not, I promise I think five dollars I
Speaker 3: got five.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: The reason we are closing the gap by thirty points
Speaker 1: in congressional districts where we were blown out by Trump,
Speaker 1: it's not because his name was on the ballot. It's
Speaker 1: because the Republican is on the ballot.
Speaker 6: Where she stands with them. I bet you she is
Speaker 6: not going to be out here throwing all the Republicans
Speaker 6: under I.
Speaker 1: Think I think we have to put this in its
Speaker 1: proper context. We are not looking for a new ally.
Speaker 1: We are not looking for her to be a friend.
Speaker 1: She is not somebody that we're going to break bread with, say,
Speaker 1: prayers together with because we're not going to pray for
Speaker 1: the same things as we fold our hands. And if
Speaker 1: there is a God in her prayer, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is that those are not That's
Speaker 1: not where I'm placing my house. That is unsteady ground,
Speaker 1: the ground that I want her to play on. It
Speaker 1: don't have to include me or any candidate I support.
Speaker 1: It just needs to be to her people, to their
Speaker 1: people who need to be reminded that they've been bembo.
Speaker 8: Zoh quote quote quote. I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: But if they believe it enough that they say there's
Speaker 1: no sense and going back out and putting these people
Speaker 1: back in office because they're not going to do what
Speaker 1: they promised us in the first place. And I hear
Speaker 1: your point, Angela about not wanting to have people sit home,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about elections here. They not only want
Speaker 1: us not to not sit home, we go out and vote,
Speaker 1: and then they still want to take.
Speaker 8: Our shit away.
Speaker 1: They want to steal our stuff.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to be like them.
Speaker 1: No, we're not being like them. We're saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: if you can't go in there and do the right thing,
Speaker 1: then sit your ass at home. If you can't go
Speaker 1: in there and vote for the Democrat who will advance
Speaker 1: your interests whether you know it or not, then don't
Speaker 1: go in there and muck it up for the rest
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 5: I do agree with Angela in the sense of, like,
Speaker 5: even in having this conversation, there is.
Speaker 8: A part of me.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's an older version of me that is uncomfortable
Speaker 5: like publicly talking about a strategy demobilized voters and.
Speaker 1: So like they're doing the D Mobile.
Speaker 8: No, I one hundred percent agree with you.
Speaker 5: I just want to like make space for what Angela
Speaker 5: is saying, Like I hate that, I hate that I'm here.
Speaker 8: I don't like being here, you know.
Speaker 5: I think it is just out of my like my
Speaker 5: deep longing to undo some of the damage that Donald
Speaker 5: Trump's done to our communities that I can say something
Speaker 5: like that on the Native Land podcast.
Speaker 8: So I hear you, Angela on that.
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying too.
Speaker 6: I think that's fair, And you know, I wish that
Speaker 6: we again, maybe this should have been a mini pod
Speaker 6: topic too, but I wish that we we're at a
Speaker 6: place where it's like every vote counts.
Speaker 3: You have the right to have your vote counted.
Speaker 6: And while where I'm arguing that for you, you're working actively,
Speaker 6: as Andrew just said, to keep us in a position
Speaker 6: where we can't even get an ID, we can't even
Speaker 6: prove that we're citizens, can't even prove that this is
Speaker 6: our last name, and they have the Save Act on
Speaker 6: the Senate floor, you know, wavering like that's so that
Speaker 6: I understand exactly what you're saying. But to me, I
Speaker 6: never want to embody the type of power that has
Speaker 6: oppressed us in so many other their people for so long.
Speaker 6: I want us to, you know, embody a different type
Speaker 6: of power, one that's rooted in love.
Speaker 1: And the difference is Angela is they have agency and
Speaker 1: deciding whether they want to go to the polls or not.
Speaker 1: It is not a system operating to suppress their vote.
Speaker 1: It is that they have made the decision that this
Speaker 1: isn't working out for me, these candidates who I have
Speaker 1: traditionally supported, and I will not, over my dead body
Speaker 1: vote for a Democrat. I'm going to choose to sit
Speaker 1: this up. By the way, I will tell you, if
Speaker 1: we were dealing with a more sophisticated voter base, I
Speaker 1: would say what I have done before. I have gone
Speaker 1: to the polls, I have gotten my ballot, I have
Speaker 1: signed my name, and then I pushed through that machine
Speaker 1: a ballot with no vote, no choice, and the race
Speaker 1: that I was allowed to vote in on that particular ballot.
Speaker 1: And that's because I didn't want to mess up my
Speaker 1: voting record of having perfect attendants and going in voting
Speaker 1: and being part of that process simply because I didn't
Speaker 1: like the choices that I had in the particular race.
Speaker 1: It's almost the same equivalent you will have me on
Speaker 1: the polls as having gone and voted. I will not
Speaker 1: have made a single choice in the in the race
Speaker 1: in which I was able to choose, And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's legal in the process.
Speaker 9: Andrew Gillam would have been a great choice for Mayor.
Speaker 9: Tyler Hasse, you should have cast the ballot for.
Speaker 8: Shut that hell Up.
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