WEBVTT - No Permanent Enemies, Only Permanent Interests | NLP Replay

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<v Speaker 1>Niggive Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Reason Choice Media. We've got one of the scions

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders on the on the left, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar,

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<v Speaker 1>who is making a really interesting argument uh to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to Democrats, to progressives, of those who are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>build an anti Trump coalition. And I'm interested to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what y'all think on the other side of these comments.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading an article today about your comments on

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<v Speaker 2>a major Marjorie Telegreen and the fact that we should

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<v Speaker 2>have empathy for people like her who've realized all this stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you get to that point? Like, why not

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<v Speaker 2>just like leave her where she is and let her

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<v Speaker 2>do what she thinks she's doing. Oh, I'm good to

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<v Speaker 2>leave her where she is, let me do what she's doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess why.

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<v Speaker 4>No. I mean my point is this, if you were

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<v Speaker 4>let stray, and you are adult enough, honest and enough

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<v Speaker 4>to say I was wrong into believing that this was

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<v Speaker 4>the right direction for our country. And I want to

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<v Speaker 4>join you all because I now understand that you had

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<v Speaker 4>it right. I'm like, welcome, right, I'm glad you finally

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<v Speaker 4>got here because we believe that we are on the

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<v Speaker 4>right side of history. Now, am I gonna be key

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<v Speaker 4>keying with her?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 5>So when you're when you're calling for Democrats to show

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<v Speaker 5>grace to former Trump supporters, what.

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<v Speaker 4>Grace I am not? Okay, No, it's not the Trump supporters.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you had

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<v Speaker 4>a change of heart in regards to policy.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you're a Trump supporter who had a change

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<v Speaker 1>of hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Policy?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, not you know. I mean if your list Chainey

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<v Speaker 4>and you're like, I'm not voting for Trump, but I

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<v Speaker 4>I'll vote for Harris. But you still hold right the

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<v Speaker 4>all of your policy views that aligned with Trump, that

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<v Speaker 4>means that means nothing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't So what about former Trump supporters like the

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<v Speaker 1>march retailer Green.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you are marginally Taylor Green and you say

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<v Speaker 4>this man is taking us to wars that will destroy

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<v Speaker 4>us and our resources in the future of our children,

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<v Speaker 4>that is a policy position I have. I'm anti Wall.

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<v Speaker 5>What does grace look like without letting those people off

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<v Speaker 5>the hook.

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<v Speaker 4>Grace looks like saying I agree when they make a

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<v Speaker 4>policy point of view. Grace looks like not dismissing when

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<v Speaker 4>somebody wants to join your coalition not just as a

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<v Speaker 4>voting block, but as an advocate for the policies that

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<v Speaker 4>you believe will create a better world for all of us.

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<v Speaker 6>Can I just say I appreciate Iohans grace, But I'm

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<v Speaker 6>a Scorpio, so my memory is long.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just want to.

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<v Speaker 6>Refresh everyone's recollection on why Marjorie Taylor Green will always

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<v Speaker 6>be a beach blindeilt butch body please roll the clip.

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<v Speaker 7>The form of the resolution is as follows recognized censuring

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<v Speaker 7>Representative Ilhan Omar of Somalig I mean Minnesota cut.

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<v Speaker 6>That's all we need to see. Raggedy broad Wow. Now

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to play that because she wasn't just offensive

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<v Speaker 6>to il Han as she sought her censure for God

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<v Speaker 6>only knows what reason. She wasn't just offensive when she

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<v Speaker 6>said that she needed to be packing in the halls

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<v Speaker 6>of Congress because she didn't trust terrorists quote unquote terrorists

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<v Speaker 6>like Ilhan Omar and others of her colleagues who she was.

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<v Speaker 6>She was always on the squad's ass. She wasn't just

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<v Speaker 6>problematic when she was in congressional hearing rooms, the Oversight

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<v Speaker 6>Committee in particular, where she said to Jasmine Crockett she

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<v Speaker 6>can't hear her over her eyelashes, which is where beach

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<v Speaker 6>Blonde bad built. Sorry, butch body came from. She did

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<v Speaker 6>not have a Freudian slip on the House floor when

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<v Speaker 6>she said Ilhan omar from Somalia, I mean Minnesota. That

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<v Speaker 6>was with intention, and so I appreciate the moral convenience

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<v Speaker 6>that she now has of calling out Donald Trump. But

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<v Speaker 6>you don't even have a vote in the House of

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<v Speaker 6>Representatives anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So what good is that? What good is that? What

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<v Speaker 3>are you actually doing?

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<v Speaker 8>Did she meet herself?

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<v Speaker 1>You mute yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sorry, I was so mad. I didn't hit

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<v Speaker 3>the mic.

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<v Speaker 6>I was saying, I don't know, okay, I would yield

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<v Speaker 6>that if you really think that that's good, I just

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<v Speaker 6>will just say I will just say that. She's saying, well,

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<v Speaker 6>if you agree on Ilhan says, if you agree with

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<v Speaker 6>us on policy, now, then we got some road to go.

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<v Speaker 6>But the problem with the policy coalition that now sees

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<v Speaker 6>the light. The policy coalition needs to still have a

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<v Speaker 6>vote in Congress, and she has resigned.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is of no use to us.

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<v Speaker 6>You are of no, you're not even of transactional use

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<v Speaker 6>to us again, as the Congressional black Caucuss always says,

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<v Speaker 6>no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, No, just permanent interests.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't even have a permanent interest because there's nothing

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<v Speaker 6>you can do but be on Twitter yapping all day,

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<v Speaker 6>which is all she does.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just think it's permanent.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Elections.

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<v Speaker 9>Elections are about multiplication and addition.

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<v Speaker 6>She still don't want y'all to have Medicare, Medicare, any

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<v Speaker 6>type of Obamacare.

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<v Speaker 3>She still don't want people on snap benefits.

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<v Speaker 6>She still wants people deported, even if they are legally

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<v Speaker 6>in the United States. Where where is the interest? Is

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<v Speaker 6>the interest just in Iran? Is that just about war?

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<v Speaker 5>Does she have to have interest in all of that?

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<v Speaker 5>I hear, look, and I hear what you're saying. Like,

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<v Speaker 5>I think we all we all feel that same want

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<v Speaker 5>to hang out with her, But like, does she have

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<v Speaker 5>to have to destabilize portions of the Republican base that

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<v Speaker 5>will allow us to get back power at the midterms.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think, like Blackfoot, we have we have too

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<v Speaker 5>much to lose to not be strategic in moments like this.

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<v Speaker 5>In my opinion, I don't have no empathy for Marjorie

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<v Speaker 5>Taylor Green.

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<v Speaker 8>I have strategy. I have strategy.

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<v Speaker 5>Because our kids depend on us to be strategic over emotional,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 8>And so that's kind of where I sit with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I just talked about permanent interest.

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<v Speaker 6>But I guess what I would love for you all

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<v Speaker 6>to answer, since you all still see some earthly good

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<v Speaker 6>in his broad please tell me what the interest is

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<v Speaker 6>that she's accomplishing. Andrew, I heard you say defeating Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>She's gonna defeat Donald Trump with hot Twitter fingers.

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you see her?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, let me let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you. Do y'all see her at a

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<v Speaker 3>rally campaigning for John Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you I don't need her to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need her to induce.

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<v Speaker 8>You don't. We don't want that.

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<v Speaker 1>What we need her to do is to remind these

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<v Speaker 1>people who's similar to her. And I have to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>I do doubt how bamboozoo she was. I'm not convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that this was a bamboozoo, right. I think there were

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<v Speaker 1>some inconvenient disagreements that may have put her on the

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<v Speaker 1>outs that then were in furtherance of her going on

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<v Speaker 1>the outs, for instance, indicating to Trump and his advisers

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<v Speaker 1>that she wanted to run for governor, Trump responding, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you do not want to run for governor, and you

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<v Speaker 1>will not run for governor of the state of Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and her feeling some type of way about the man

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<v Speaker 1>she's been so loyal to deciding to turn his back

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<v Speaker 1>on her, and the timing being such that her retirement

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<v Speaker 1>coincided with her being vested with congressional retirement benefits because

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<v Speaker 1>she just met the threshold the day before she decided

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<v Speaker 1>to resign from Congress. So I think there's some convenience

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<v Speaker 1>built in there. But this is where I think her

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<v Speaker 1>additive value is. It is in that there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who are similar to her, adjacent to her, who say

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<v Speaker 1>they felt that Trump was going to carry the banner

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<v Speaker 1>of not com passion for immigrants, but getting them out

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<v Speaker 1>of this country. I didn't want to see brutality on

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<v Speaker 1>my television station. I wanted to see them loaded on

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<v Speaker 1>planes and flown out of here. It is I expect

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<v Speaker 1>you to see America first, and that's not what we

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<v Speaker 1>got because he's an international list and it's taken US

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and spending them elsewhere. So she can go out

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<v Speaker 1>and carry a message that she's she's deeply steeped in

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<v Speaker 1>that she has credibility on with people who we need

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<v Speaker 1>credible messages to be in front of to do one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned, because I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>can be counted on to vote for Democrats. But those

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<v Speaker 1>who do have got you know, go forth and do

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<v Speaker 1>great things. I think they can be counted on to

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<v Speaker 1>stay home.

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<v Speaker 8>Stabilize them, to sit it out. Yep, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I think today i'k in the base. We got to

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<v Speaker 9>week in the base. I mean you gotta and I

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<v Speaker 9>gotta remember we come up to seven that's seventy five

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<v Speaker 9>million votes. I mean, if you can, if you can

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<v Speaker 9>weaken them, get them dis chanted, stay home, those type

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<v Speaker 9>of things, get that number back down to reasonable sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, seventy you win, you win a presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>All of our minds will grown over Trump winning in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen because we did not expect the white turnout to

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<v Speaker 1>be supercharged, and he supercharged at base of white voters

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<v Speaker 1>who did not show up before, who all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden showed up at the polls.

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<v Speaker 5>Non college educated white verse, which is what Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 5>greensles influences white non college educated voters that didn't participate

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<v Speaker 5>in politics, and now they do, and they may be

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<v Speaker 5>feeling a little politically homeless. As you said, all we

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<v Speaker 5>need to do is just to stabilize them.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's hard for me to.

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<v Speaker 6>Argue for like to encourage, to encourage people to stay home.

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<v Speaker 6>I would rather people be informed and do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think what's frustrating to me in this particular

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<v Speaker 6>moment is if you put like do a pros and

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<v Speaker 6>cons list, and Marjorie Taylor Green's pros and consless was

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<v Speaker 6>right here on the policy she supports.

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<v Speaker 3>She is ninety nine point eight percent aligned.

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<v Speaker 6>With the GOP that is still MAGA based, And so

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't trust that she is actually going to

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<v Speaker 6>do the work of our interests that y'all are hoping

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<v Speaker 6>she does.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not going to interest I'm exactly, but I.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't think that she's even going to be that helpful.

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<v Speaker 6>I think her points are strictly on Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that those are the only places where she

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<v Speaker 6>is really hitting Trump and then on her Christianity, since

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<v Speaker 6>she also hit him about what he said on Easter,

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<v Speaker 6>which was still related to the war and what he's

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<v Speaker 6>doing around Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess she has credibility in that. But in

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<v Speaker 1>every headline of from Fox.

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<v Speaker 3>News with us, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets us in the ears of people who like her,

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<v Speaker 1>believed in him, who are now being told by somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that they trust that he is not what we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we were getting.

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<v Speaker 8>He is.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not on the ballot for midterms.

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<v Speaker 6>What is she getting us about it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's not, I promise I think five dollars I

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<v Speaker 3>got five.

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<v Speaker 8>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason we are closing the gap by thirty points

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<v Speaker 1>in congressional districts where we were blown out by Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not because his name was on the ballot. It's

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<v Speaker 1>because the Republican is on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 6>Where she stands with them. I bet you she is

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<v Speaker 6>not going to be out here throwing all the Republicans

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<v Speaker 6>under I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I think we have to put this in its

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<v Speaker 1>proper context. We are not looking for a new ally.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not looking for her to be a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>She is not somebody that we're going to break bread with, say,

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<v Speaker 1>prayers together with because we're not going to pray for

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<v Speaker 1>the same things as we fold our hands. And if

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<v Speaker 1>there is a God in her prayer, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So all I'm saying is that those are not That's

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<v Speaker 1>not where I'm placing my house. That is unsteady ground,

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<v Speaker 1>the ground that I want her to play on. It

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to include me or any candidate I support.

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<v Speaker 1>It just needs to be to her people, to their

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<v Speaker 1>people who need to be reminded that they've been bembo.

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<v Speaker 8>Zoh quote quote quote. I don't. I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they believe it enough that they say there's

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<v Speaker 1>no sense and going back out and putting these people

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<v Speaker 1>back in office because they're not going to do what

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<v Speaker 1>they promised us in the first place. And I hear

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<v Speaker 1>your point, Angela about not wanting to have people sit home,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about elections here. They not only want

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<v Speaker 1>us not to not sit home, we go out and vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they still want to take.

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<v Speaker 8>Our shit away.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to steal our stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't want to be like them.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're not being like them. We're saying, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't go in there and do the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>then sit your ass at home. If you can't go

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<v Speaker 1>in there and vote for the Democrat who will advance

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<v Speaker 1>your interests whether you know it or not, then don't

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<v Speaker 1>go in there and muck it up for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us.

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<v Speaker 5>I do agree with Angela in the sense of, like,

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<v Speaker 5>even in having this conversation, there is.

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<v Speaker 8>A part of me.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's an older version of me that is uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 5>like publicly talking about a strategy demobilized voters and.

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<v Speaker 1>So like they're doing the D Mobile.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I one hundred percent agree with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to like make space for what Angela

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<v Speaker 5>is saying, Like I hate that, I hate that I'm here.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't like being here, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it is just out of my like my

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<v Speaker 5>deep longing to undo some of the damage that Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump's done to our communities that I can say something

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<v Speaker 5>like that on the Native Land podcast.

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<v Speaker 8>So I hear you, Angela on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear what you're saying too.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's fair, And you know, I wish that

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<v Speaker 6>we again, maybe this should have been a mini pod

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<v Speaker 6>topic too, but I wish that we we're at a

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<v Speaker 6>place where it's like every vote counts.

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<v Speaker 3>You have the right to have your vote counted.

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<v Speaker 6>And while where I'm arguing that for you, you're working actively,

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<v Speaker 6>as Andrew just said, to keep us in a position

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<v Speaker 6>where we can't even get an ID, we can't even

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<v Speaker 6>prove that we're citizens, can't even prove that this is

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<v Speaker 6>our last name, and they have the Save Act on

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<v Speaker 6>the Senate floor, you know, wavering like that's so that

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<v Speaker 6>I understand exactly what you're saying. But to me, I

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<v Speaker 6>never want to embody the type of power that has

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<v Speaker 6>oppressed us in so many other their people for so long.

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<v Speaker 6>I want us to, you know, embody a different type

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<v Speaker 6>of power, one that's rooted in love.

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<v Speaker 1>And the difference is Angela is they have agency and

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<v Speaker 1>deciding whether they want to go to the polls or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not a system operating to suppress their vote.

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<v Speaker 1>It is that they have made the decision that this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't working out for me, these candidates who I have

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally supported, and I will not, over my dead body

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<v Speaker 1>vote for a Democrat. I'm going to choose to sit

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<v Speaker 1>this up. By the way, I will tell you, if

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<v Speaker 1>we were dealing with a more sophisticated voter base, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say what I have done before. I have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the polls, I have gotten my ballot, I have

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<v Speaker 1>signed my name, and then I pushed through that machine

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<v Speaker 1>a ballot with no vote, no choice, and the race

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<v Speaker 1>that I was allowed to vote in on that particular ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because I didn't want to mess up my

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<v Speaker 1>voting record of having perfect attendants and going in voting

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<v Speaker 1>and being part of that process simply because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the choices that I had in the particular race.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost the same equivalent you will have me on

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<v Speaker 1>the polls as having gone and voted. I will not

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<v Speaker 1>have made a single choice in the in the race

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<v Speaker 1>in which I was able to choose, And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's legal in the process.

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<v Speaker 9>Andrew Gillam would have been a great choice for Mayor.

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<v Speaker 9>Tyler Hasse, you should have cast the ballot for.

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<v Speaker 8>Shut that hell Up.

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