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Speaker 1: There's so much stuff that's racist. In fact, there's an
Speaker 1: account called everything is Racist. Follow it because everything is racist,
Speaker 1: or so it seems. But first and foremost, let's discuss
Speaker 1: b A b A becoming a better ally baba. So
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Speaker 1: to highlight a teacher named Alice Soy h and her
Speaker 1: account is Music with Miss Alice. She says she's an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing educator who advocates for our API brothers and sisters,
Speaker 1: spreads joy to children and adults alike, and has inspired
Speaker 1: her and many other educators to do better at decolonizing
Speaker 1: their classrooms. We missed this baba during the teacher Appreciation Week,
Speaker 1: but today we're going to highlight her. So I will
Speaker 1: read some of what I got from my research of
Speaker 1: Alice Soy again at Music with Miss Alice, all right,
Speaker 1: and this is what she says. In my own activism,
Speaker 1: I have shared my voice alongside my students and continue
Speaker 1: to challenge the notions of what music education is within
Speaker 1: our field and to onlookers from outside the field. I
Speaker 1: ask students constantly to reflect on what it means to
Speaker 1: build community and to create cross cultural connections between different communities.
Speaker 1: In addition, I asked students to question the separate histories
Speaker 1: they learn that divide communities. As an Asian American music
Speaker 1: educator of mostly black and Latin X students, it is
Speaker 1: important to understand how BBIA or the term global majority
Speaker 1: may unite us, yet we still have our own nuanced
Speaker 1: identities and stories. I have shared stories of racial discrimination
Speaker 1: and stereotypes I have faced as an Asian American woman
Speaker 1: with my students, and also histories of black and Asian
Speaker 1: solidarities that continue to this day that are not always highlighted.
Speaker 1: So again, I want you to check her out, Alice Soy.
Speaker 1: She's breaking down barriers and be colonizing classrooms, and we
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we shout her out at
Speaker 1: music with miss Alice keep going, you are becoming a
Speaker 1: better ally.
Speaker 2: Shout out to all of our teachers, all of y'all.
Speaker 1: All right, who gets to decide who lives or dies? Okay,
Speaker 1: first off, before we get into this Q, there's been
Speaker 1: a ton of stories that we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: talk about in the news, resulting in people black people dying,
Speaker 1: and you before we started with the show and turn
Speaker 1: the MIC's on and everything you came up here earlier,
Speaker 1: and you had a lot to say about how these
Speaker 1: high profile incidents of individuals sometimes sibili taking the lives
Speaker 1: of folks who are unarmed, not really posing a threat,
Speaker 1: maybe having an episode or just shouting, like what Karen's
Speaker 1: do all the time, how these black people are losing
Speaker 1: their lives. And you made a connection to some politicians,
Speaker 1: mostly right wing politicians. I'm using that for campaign fodders
Speaker 1: or as to suggest that this is the type of
Speaker 1: behavior that we want in America. So paint that picture
Speaker 1: a little bit before we get into the actual stories.
Speaker 2: I don't remember how long ago, Rams, but I told
Speaker 2: you that a bunch of our people, and not just
Speaker 2: our people in the broad scope, but like specifically friends
Speaker 2: of ours, people that we interact with during our last
Speaker 2: during the during our last president's time in office, say
Speaker 2: things that I think they thought were woke or hyper
Speaker 2: enlightened or like, y'all can't see me on the radio,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, fist pump.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they showing their true colors, because you know,
Speaker 2: I would rather have somebody be racist out loud and
Speaker 2: show me how they really feel.
Speaker 1: And I remember that time.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nah, because that's wild dangerous. I like
Speaker 2: the fake, polite, fake decent, performatively nice racist person that
Speaker 2: pretends that they're not racist when me and my children
Speaker 2: are around, because that's way safer, like way safer. And
Speaker 2: I knew that it was not just a slippery slope
Speaker 2: an avalanche. Once that type of behavior became something that
Speaker 2: people's palate was able to taste and not spit it
Speaker 2: out immediately, we were going to be in trouble. Once
Speaker 2: people did not have to pretend to be decent anymore,
Speaker 2: it was not going to be a better life for us.
Speaker 2: People's private thoughts in their homes cannot kill me, so
Speaker 2: they could call me the N word or just be
Speaker 2: flat bigoted racist in their own homes as long as
Speaker 2: our society required of them to pretend to be decent
Speaker 2: people in public. And we used to and now we
Speaker 2: do not anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real out loud.
Speaker 2: And it's become like a badge of honor for them.
Speaker 2: Now let me show you how racist I am, because
Speaker 2: what I realized during the last presidency is that y'all
Speaker 2: really rock with that. And this is how I've always felt. Anyway,
Speaker 2: to let me go and get this off my chest
Speaker 2: because it's clearly that my people are riding with me.
Speaker 2: So now we have it's not even it doesn't even
Speaker 2: make sense to call it the extreme right wing anymore.
Speaker 2: It's just republican politics, to wear racism on your chest
Speaker 2: like the Superman symbol, as a way to get elected,
Speaker 2: as a way to raise money, as a way to
Speaker 2: garner support from the tens of millions of people who
Speaker 2: have shown Yo, I'll rock with that, y'all spitting right
Speaker 2: now when it's the mixtape coming out? How do I subscribe?
Speaker 2: Do it again?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So now we're at a place where our country has
Speaker 2: shown us once upon a time I can just grab
Speaker 2: her by the would have automatically disqualified you as a candidate,
Speaker 2: like you can't even consider running after I said that
Speaker 2: out loud, except that person then became the president, after
Speaker 2: everyone knew that that was how he felt, and people
Speaker 2: wonder why I was frustrated and angry and terrified. As
Speaker 2: so many people start to buy into the idea that
Speaker 2: all politicians are the same. All politicians are politicians, so
Speaker 2: there are some things that, by nature of the job,
Speaker 2: that they have in common, just like all cars are cars.
Speaker 2: They all got tires and an engine and a gearshift,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Yeah, all cars or cars.
Speaker 2: All politicians are politicians. Sure, but we understand that the
Speaker 2: fiesta and the ferrari aren't the same. Right. So, once
Speaker 2: that nature of politician was acceptable to the palette of
Speaker 2: the public, we were in trouble because pretending to be
Speaker 2: decent means that at one point, because you thought the
Speaker 2: country would turn their nose down at you if you
Speaker 2: were a racist, bigot, you'd have to pretend not to
Speaker 2: be just to stay in the good taste of decent people.
Speaker 2: We have now retrograded back to a place where you
Speaker 2: and I talked about this on the show as well,
Speaker 2: people posing in front of burnt hanged black people as
Speaker 2: a family, because even those people consider themselves to be
Speaker 2: decent back then, because that's what because that was acceptable
Speaker 2: by society, Society had to determine that those things weren't
Speaker 2: acceptable for those people to feel bad. If society hadn't
Speaker 2: out loud thought and felt different, those practices would have continued.
Speaker 2: Even watching us go backwards to that, and nobody cares
Speaker 2: because and I'll say this as often as I get
Speaker 2: in front of this microphone. It has become intellectually beneath
Speaker 2: a lot of black people to call overt racism racism.
Speaker 2: We are hyper woke ourselves now, and to prove how
Speaker 2: intellectually superior we are, we have to act like the
Speaker 2: idea of racism and white supremacy holding us back. We
Speaker 2: have to act like that idea is beneath us. We
Speaker 2: have to act like we've arrived at a place where
Speaker 2: that's no longer the case. And we think that you're
Speaker 2: lazy if you think so, and you're just not working
Speaker 2: hard on us. Racism doesn't exist. The man isn't holding
Speaker 2: you back. It's you, no, maam. It absolutely still exists,
Speaker 2: and as long as we are the ones saying that
Speaker 2: it doesn't, playing in into the idea that it doesn't turning,
Speaker 2: our news is down at the conversation about reparations, so
Speaker 2: called allies, people who we elect, who we get into office,
Speaker 2: have a conversation with them about reparations, and watch how
Speaker 2: fast their tone changes. Well, you know, we don't want
Speaker 2: to put a dollar amount on it. Why not, we've
Speaker 2: got we've we've crossed the bridge too far. Now now
Speaker 2: that we're talking about paying us some money, we've gone
Speaker 2: too far, And as I watched the country like slip
Speaker 2: away from the ideas of progress, of inclusion, of equity,
Speaker 2: of unity, even right, I've heard somebody say this before,
Speaker 2: and it's a really tragic truth. Nine to eleven at
Speaker 2: least united us. And we've heard all the conspiracy theories,
Speaker 2: we've seen the documentaries, even if they all played out
Speaker 2: true and that was orchestrated. Man, did it give us
Speaker 2: someone else to point at man? Did it give us
Speaker 2: an enemy to be united against?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Did it put us all on the same page, on
Speaker 2: the same team, if you will.
Speaker 1: Everybody had the flag.
Speaker 2: Everybody had the flag. Flag did not mean what it
Speaker 2: means today.
Speaker 1: I had a flag on my dodge neon going to
Speaker 1: my second year.
Speaker 2: I got the flag player all of us.
Speaker 1: So so watch this. The people that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: the politicians that you're talking about, they have now found
Speaker 1: And I see this time and again. It started way
Speaker 1: back with George Zimmerman and just kind of super duper
Speaker 1: localized politics. But you know, we saw with Rittenhouse, you know,
Speaker 1: the former president hosted him. Remember Kyle Rittenhouse got out
Speaker 1: there and shot a protester at a BLM rally.
Speaker 2: I think he showed multiple protesters who killed one of them.
Speaker 1: We've seen people get shot for knocking on the wrong door.
Speaker 1: We've seen Greg Abbott, the governor in Texas, wants to
Speaker 1: pardon a man convicted of killing another BLM protester. And
Speaker 1: then there's the ones that have happened this week.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that governor wants to pardon that person on
Speaker 2: the basis that they're white and killed a black person.
Speaker 2: That's it. Not He didn't think they were wrongly convicted.
Speaker 2: He didn't think that it was trumped up charges. He
Speaker 2: didn't think that, you know, the prosecutor, you know, misplaced
Speaker 2: some evidence or did something corrupt.
Speaker 1: It just became political beyond the scope of lawn. Since
Speaker 1: he's governor, he has the right to do that. And that,
Speaker 1: I think shows you exactly what black life is worth
Speaker 1: and what we don't want ought to our children. We
Speaker 1: want our children to know that black life is worth something.
Speaker 1: If someone harms you, they will be punished.
Speaker 2: Is that at all still possible in this country? And
Speaker 2: I mean that as a serious question, not as something
Speaker 2: for us to think about for a second, pregnant, pause
Speaker 2: out loud, and move on from Is that still possible?
Speaker 1: I'm always going to say. I think it's always going
Speaker 1: to say that that's just who I am. I think
Speaker 1: it's otherwise. You know, why we do this show because
Speaker 1: we think the world could be a better place. There's
Speaker 1: got to be some part of it, some corner it
Speaker 1: still believes that in each other's humanity, in the fact
Speaker 1: that we're brothers and we're sisters, and some of our
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters have lost their way, and I believe
Speaker 1: the basis of their behaviors is fear.
Speaker 2: How come it seems that those numbers are growing.
Speaker 1: Because we got work to do. That's the I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, but while we're here, while we're here, while
Speaker 1: we're here, let's make sure that we tell these stories.
Speaker 1: So for those that don't know, one of the stories
Speaker 1: that happened since our last episode that we've been able
Speaker 1: to cover because we didn't cover it last episode was
Speaker 1: Jordan Neely being killed by Daniel Penny. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to read this. On May twenty twenty three, round two
Speaker 1: thirty pm. Jordan Neely, a homeless, thirty year old black man,
Speaker 1: was killed by a white twenty four year old ex
Speaker 1: marine who placed him in a choke hold while they
Speaker 1: were riding the F train in Manhattan on the New
Speaker 1: York City Subway. At least two others restrained Neelie's limbs.
Speaker 1: Freelance journalists and witness Juan Alberto Vasquez recorded video of
Speaker 1: the incident. I want to let you know, I'm reading
Speaker 1: this from Wikipedia, all right. According to police, witnesses said
Speaker 1: Neelie was acting in a hostile and erratic manner, telling
Speaker 1: ris that he would hurt anyone on the train. Basquez
Speaker 1: said that Neelie was shouting that he was hungry and thirsty,
Speaker 1: that he did not mind going to jail or getting
Speaker 1: life in prison, and was ready to die. Basquez said
Speaker 1: that Neeli did not physically attack anyone, while police sources
Speaker 1: said that other witnesses reported him throwing trash at passengers.
Speaker 1: A man approached Neelie and put him in a choke hold.
Speaker 1: The choke hold lasted for several minutes, and at least
Speaker 1: three minutes were recorded on video. According to Basquez, the
Speaker 1: choke hold lasted for fifteen minutes. An onlooker warned about
Speaker 1: fatal harm being done to Neely, saying you're going to
Speaker 1: kill him now. After the choke hold, the onlooker said
Speaker 1: he's all right, he ain't gonna die. Basquez said that
Speaker 1: Neelie was moving and defending himself during the chokehold, and
Speaker 1: Vasquez did not believe that he would die. Neeli was
Speaker 1: taken to Lenox Hill Hospital, where he's pronounced dead. According
Speaker 1: to some sources, he died on the subway car's floor. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have a story here where again I'm you
Speaker 1: know this because this has been national news for some time.
Speaker 2: Forgive it.
Speaker 1: That's just our news cycle we're on once a week
Speaker 1: for an hour. But story where there's a homeless man,
Speaker 1: black man, very tiny man. Uh. Many of you have
Speaker 1: probably seen the video. If you haven't, there's no need
Speaker 1: to watch this video. It's exactly how it sounds. There's
Speaker 1: a human being whose life it's snuffed out, So don't
Speaker 1: go out of your way to watch it. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say that his life it's not worth you
Speaker 1: knowing about, but both there's a lot more videos of
Speaker 1: his life that you can watch. Yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: his life. That's what I'm trying to think. Video because
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem like I don't
Speaker 1: want you to know this, but I do want you
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: Videos talk about this the type of thing that could
Speaker 2: cause you mental and emotional trauma after long after you've
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: So they're plenty of videos of this young man if
Speaker 2: the idea is to honor his life and know more
Speaker 2: about him, of him dancing and even in what may
Speaker 2: be considered a compromise mental state, bringing light and joy
Speaker 2: to people, not harming people, just like he wasn't harming
Speaker 2: people day he was murdered, thank you. So the video
Speaker 2: is just hard to watch, not it's not making less
Speaker 2: of his worth or his life.
Speaker 1: We on this show, for those who don't know, we
Speaker 1: take turns watching videos because we don't want to ourselves
Speaker 1: become overwhelmed with death and black harm against black bodies,
Speaker 1: black and round bodies. We have to do this every week,
Speaker 1: so we try not to do it. But this week
Speaker 1: I had to watch two human beings lose their lives
Speaker 1: on video and it just stays with It keeps you
Speaker 1: up at night. It's not cool. So that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: all right, So what happens is we have a mentally
Speaker 1: disturbed man who was having an emotional breakdown he was hungry. Well,
Speaker 1: let's point to economic reasons for this episode, right, Economic means,
Speaker 1: societal means, it's formentable. We just need to get every
Speaker 1: body on the same page in terms of identifying what
Speaker 1: the problems are. And I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but that's what we need to do.
Speaker 2: Well, you say we need to do it like it's
Speaker 2: like it hasn't happened. We're not still trying to identify
Speaker 2: what the problems are. That's we we all know, indeed,
Speaker 2: but it is not a mystery. The point is figured
Speaker 2: it out yet we.
Speaker 1: Need to We need to ensure that our elected representatives
Speaker 1: know to equate crime rates with poverty rates rather than
Speaker 1: the equate crime rates with race.
Speaker 2: That's not in their best interest, of course not. But
Speaker 2: that's what we need to get intellectually beyond them. That's
Speaker 2: that's where we need to outdraw those conclusions.
Speaker 1: That's where we need to go. And what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is the person is walking around on the subway saying
Speaker 1: that he's hungry. Listen, I'll tell you like this. I
Speaker 1: believe I'm a good man too. I believe that you're good.
Speaker 1: I believe you mean no harm to anyone. Okay, I
Speaker 1: believe that the circumstances in your life ensure that you
Speaker 1: don't have to harm anyone. No one will be worse
Speaker 1: off because your presence in their life. I do believe
Speaker 1: that if it was we changed a couple of circumstances.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's the end of the world and water
Speaker 1: is scarce and food is scarce, and you've got two
Speaker 1: babies to feed, and I got two babies to feed,
Speaker 1: that might change. Things might get a little bit more
Speaker 1: dicey and tougher. Decisions might have to be made because
Speaker 1: I need to ensure the continuation of my family and
Speaker 1: that my children have the resources they need to grow up.
Speaker 1: And you might end up undertaking some actions that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't if you had some economic insulation. Let's say it
Speaker 1: that way. I believe that everybody listening would agree with
Speaker 1: that statement. Doesn't matter what color you are, right, So
Speaker 1: that helps you to point to economic factors over just
Speaker 1: these people are just bad people, so it's okay to
Speaker 1: kill them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even the people that say that no better,
Speaker 2: it's just not in their best interest for anyone else
Speaker 2: to know better. Well, we're going to.
Speaker 1: Teach you better. So again, mentally, to start man on
Speaker 1: a train, hungry, telling everybody's hungry, yelling, fed up, frustrated.
Speaker 1: It's put in a chokehold. His life ends, and the
Speaker 1: person who killed him has a two million dollar word
Speaker 1: chest based on donation Legal.
Speaker 2: Defense Fund right because he was made a hero. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there is a hero Republicans.
Speaker 1: So let me let me read this other story. Michael
Speaker 1: Anthony shoots Banko Brown for suspected shoplifting again economic condition.
Speaker 2: Another awful video. He was at a walgrind. If you
Speaker 2: didn't see, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: Have to watch this one. But he was at a Walgrens.
Speaker 1: You're not shoplifting to come up at Waburn. You're shoplifting
Speaker 1: because you need some stuff.
Speaker 2: Walgreens.
Speaker 1: Don't say nothing that costs more than twenty dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: not shoplifting at the jewelry store. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: All Right, So I'm gonna read this Timsey. San Francisco
Speaker 1: District Attorney Brooke Jenkins, who was also black, to make
Speaker 1: sure I say that I need to point out some
Speaker 1: things about the killer as well, released the footage Monday
Speaker 1: to show why she declined to bring charges against Michael
Speaker 1: Arlwaine Anthony for killing Banko Brown at the store on
Speaker 1: April twenty seventh, what Anthony says was self defense. The
Speaker 1: video starts off. The video starts off with Anthony blocking Brown,
Speaker 1: carrying a bag of alleged stolen items, from exiting the store.
Speaker 1: Anthony then goes after Brown, repeatedly punching him and placing
Speaker 1: him in a chokehold. At one point, Anthony lifts Brown
Speaker 1: off his feet and throws him to the floor, getting
Speaker 1: on top of him as the two thrash around. Finally,
Speaker 1: Anthony lets him up, prompting Brown to grab the bag
Speaker 1: of merchandise and start for the exit. At the door,
Speaker 1: Brown whirls around and appears to make a move at Anthony.
Speaker 1: It's pointing and talking and yelling and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So you point your finger and Anthony pulls a gun,
Speaker 1: opens fire, and kills the alleged thief. So what I
Speaker 1: want to say while we got this little bit of
Speaker 1: time is that, you know, I don't know what was
Speaker 1: in that bag. I assume it's stuff that's necessary, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But you know, food is something that's commonly
Speaker 1: even economic factors. So we see animals, burns flying and
Speaker 1: take a piece of bread cats steal a piece of meat.
Speaker 1: I think it's cute human beings do that, and we're
Speaker 1: saying it's if they're black. We saw what happened with
Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina. These last two people, we are unarmed. As
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they ultimately pose no threat. So where's the
Speaker 1: line of I'm afraid and I get to kill you?
Speaker 1: Because that could be different for everybody. That needs to
Speaker 1: be clearly different.
Speaker 2: Black, and the chances that I'll be held accountable are
Speaker 2: far less. So if I don't like you or if
Speaker 2: I quote unquote fear you, I can kill you and
Speaker 2: I'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I put Do you get to
Speaker 1: kill someone because you're scared? Not if you're black? Often yes,
Speaker 1: if you're white, absolutely, if you're the police, And I
Speaker 1: want everybody else to know that. We've seen the video
Speaker 1: of Makai Franklin Baltimore as well, and we're following that
Speaker 1: story too, So as more things come out about that,
Speaker 1: we will follow up with that where we can. All right,
Speaker 1: it's time for the Way Black History Fact. Today's Way
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Speaker 1: of this reading comes from the Constitutional Rights Foundation, and
Speaker 1: other parts come from the Atlantic Make try shout out
Speaker 1: both of those publications. All right. The end of the
Speaker 1: Civil War marked the end of slavery for four million
Speaker 1: black Southerners, but the war also left them landless and
Speaker 1: with little money to support themselves. White Southerners seeking to
Speaker 1: control the freedom of former slaves devise special state law codes.
Speaker 1: Any Northerners saw these codes as blatant attempts to restore
Speaker 1: slavery are called black codes for the uninitiated, and black
Speaker 1: codes later gave rise to Jim Crow. Okay, little thought
Speaker 1: had been given to the needs of the newly emancipated slaves.
Speaker 1: Shortly before the end of the war, Congress created the
Speaker 1: Freedmen's Bureau. It furnished food and medical aid to the
Speaker 1: former slaves. It also established schools for the freedmen. By
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy a quarter million black children and adults attended
Speaker 1: more than four thousand of these schools in the South.
Speaker 1: The Freedmen's Bureau also helped the former slaves in the workplace.
Speaker 1: It tried to make sure that the former slaves received
Speaker 1: fair wages and freely chose their employers. The Bureau created
Speaker 1: special courts to settle disputes between black workers and their
Speaker 1: white employers. It could also intervene in other cases that
Speaker 1: threatened the rights of freedmen. White Southerners resented being ruled
Speaker 1: by union military governor and Freedman's Bureau officials. They sought
Speaker 1: to resort restore self rule. During the summer and fall
Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty five, most of the old Confederate states
Speaker 1: held constitutional conventions. President Johnson's reconstruction plan permitted only white
Speaker 1: persons to vote for convention delegates or to participate in
Speaker 1: the framing of the new state governments. Not surprisingly, none
Speaker 1: of the state conventions considered extending the right to vote
Speaker 1: to freedmen. South Carolina's provisional governor declared at his state's
Speaker 1: constitutional convention that quote, this is a white man's government. Quote.
Speaker 1: The newly formed slave legislatures quickly authorized many needed public
Speaker 1: projects and the taxes to pay for them. Among these
Speaker 1: projects was a creation, for the first time in the
Speaker 1: South of free public education, but the public schools excluded
Speaker 1: black children. The state legislatures also began to pass laws
Speaker 1: limiting the freedoms of former slaves. These laws mirrored those
Speaker 1: of colonial times, which placed severe restrictions on both slaves
Speaker 1: and emancipated blacks. Neither of these groups could vote, serve
Speaker 1: on juries, travel freely, or work in occupations of their choice.
Speaker 1: Even their marriages were outside.
Speaker 2: The law.
Speaker 1: That means you could rape their wives. White Southerners also
Speaker 1: feared that if friedmen did not work for white landowners,
Speaker 1: the agricultural economy of the South would collapse. During the
Speaker 1: last months of eighteen sixty five, a rumor spread among
Speaker 1: freedmen the federal government was going to grant quote forty
Speaker 1: acres and a mule un quote to every ex slave
Speaker 1: family on Christmas Day. Although the federal government had confiscated
Speaker 1: some Confederate lands and given them to freed slaves, it
Speaker 1: never planned to do this on a massive scale. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: expecting their own plots of land, lacks and large numbers
Speaker 1: refused to sign work contracts with white landowners for the
Speaker 1: new year. At the same time, Southern whites passed around
Speaker 1: their own rumor that blacks would rise in rebellion when
Speaker 1: Freeland failed to appear on Christmas Day, all These economic worries, prejudices,
Speaker 1: and fears helped produce the first Black Codes of eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five. These codes consisted of special laws that applied
Speaker 1: only to black persons. The first Black Code, enacted by Mississippi,
Speaker 1: proved harsh and vindictive. South Carolina followed with a code
Speaker 1: only slightly less harsh but more comprehensive in regulating the
Speaker 1: lives of persons.
Speaker 2: Of color.
Speaker 1: Before eighteen sixty five. From the colonial period onward, the
Speaker 1: only case of pure trespass in the modern sense that
Speaker 1: was available nationwide came from South Carolina in eighteen eighteen
Speaker 1: and again in eighteen twenty one. South Carolina landowner had
Speaker 1: sued hunters who were ignoring his demand that they leave
Speaker 1: his land. The state High Court sided with the hunters,
Speaker 1: holding that the right to enter private lands was quote
Speaker 1: universally exercised unquote and noting that merely riding over the
Speaker 1: soil caused no injury to the landowner. The opinion cited
Speaker 1: state statutes in support and went on to say that
Speaker 1: granting landowners the power to exclude hunters would provoke an
Speaker 1: insurrection no idle words in South Carolina. Now we stop
Speaker 1: here for a second, as I mentioned the law said
Speaker 1: that you cannot say that someone was trespassing on your
Speaker 1: land if they were hunting. Right now, this is before
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five. We all know what happened in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five. So I promised the story of the no
Speaker 1: trespassing sign where it came from the origins of no trespassing.
Speaker 1: So watch this. After black codes were enacted, trespassing laws
Speaker 1: were enacted to prevent foraging and to force the hand
Speaker 1: of free black Southerners into working for the white plantation
Speaker 1: owners they once served. In other words, you're free, but
Speaker 1: you have no forty acres, you have no mule, You
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to make money to
Speaker 1: feed yourself. You have no land, you have nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: So rather than traveling and foraging or those who don't
Speaker 1: know foraging is like picking berries off a tree and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: You also can't work where you are.
Speaker 1: Right right, And on top of that, you had to
Speaker 1: call your boss aster They made sure to write that
Speaker 1: in the laws too. But instead of living off of
Speaker 1: the land, like the courts insisted was a human right,
Speaker 1: Friday eighteen sixty five, they enacted trespassing laws, and what
Speaker 1: they did was twofold. It ensured that black folks could
Speaker 1: not eat fruits that grow off of trees or berries
Speaker 1: that grow on bushes. But it also ensured that there
Speaker 1: was one more law that could be broken. If you
Speaker 1: were just existed in the wrong space, you could be
Speaker 1: arrested for that and sentenced to prison. And those that
Speaker 1: know about the thirteenth Amendment know that when you're in prison,
Speaker 1: you can perform manual labor and the state could then
Speaker 1: lease you to a farm owner or a plantation owner
Speaker 1: for whatever period of time you're infraction got you, which
Speaker 1: of course was severe. So if you were trespassing, that's
Speaker 1: a five year sentence. So now you're a slave for
Speaker 1: another five years effectually, So not only can you not
Speaker 1: go and pick berries to eat, but now you can
Speaker 1: be arrested and returned to slavery. So this gives you
Speaker 1: just a glimpse into what it was like in those times,
Speaker 1: but also a glimpse into the history of the no
Speaker 1: trespassing sign. So when people say everything's racist, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're too far off face. And that's going to
Speaker 1: do it for us here on Civic Cipher. So once again,
Speaker 1: i'm your host. Rams's job.
Speaker 2: Joh, this is exhausting, man. Yeah, it was a long
Speaker 2: time I mean, like, I mean, what was it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a long time ago, but it was long
Speaker 1: enough ago. We don't need to have that way us
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 2: Was it long enough ago that the laws are that
Speaker 2: much different from that now?
Speaker 1: Fairpoint? Yeah, because I mean I got hemmed up the
Speaker 1: other day. This is private property and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: This is a public road. I'm just saying that's why
Speaker 2: a public servant is there.
Speaker 1: At least don't come and protect my house because it
Speaker 1: is indeed private property. Anyway, I want to thank you
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