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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: here's my question for you. Now, did you ever want

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Speaker 1: to be a veterinarian? No? I love it like to

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Speaker 1: teach a question. Yeah, there are things that you I

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Speaker 1: definitely couldn't do. Being a doctor of any source, with

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Speaker 1: because I wanted to help people and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: how else you could help before I realized social work

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Speaker 1: You did you want to be a vet? I know

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Speaker 1: it's like a usually a kid dream. No. I think

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Speaker 1: similar to teachers. Um. But I have, as you know, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: our friendship, was like, I don't know if I want

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Speaker 1: you were out my dog. Yeah. Yeah. Our mutual friend

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Speaker 1: Caroline used to introduce me to people as the pet killer, um,

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Speaker 1: came ways after that. Yes, I came and sat at

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Speaker 1: Midway and they were a bunch of people there never met,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, all right, well

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Speaker 1: let me explain. It always came to this bigger story.

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Speaker 1: But we're like, wait, what what has happened in your record? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have gotten much of it. Again, none of this

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Speaker 1: like a psychopath right now. Um, But I did. I

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Speaker 1: but we did. Here today we're talking about animal care

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Speaker 1: and gender differences in animal care and this was a

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Speaker 1: suggestion from listener Lizzie, So thank you so much, Lizzie

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Speaker 1: time up here. She wrote, I have worked in the

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Speaker 1: animal care industry for almost ten years in a variety

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Speaker 1: of rules. I volunteered at vet clinics, volunteered at aquariums,

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Speaker 1: a hobbyist to professional aquarist in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And it's an understatement to say that I love animals.

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Speaker 1: I have noticed anecdotally there seems to be a prominent

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