WEBVTT - To Thine Own Self Do Crime

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Liza bit, I'm great ish welcome to the musical

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<v Speaker 2>I call hanging out with Zaren.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you basically live in a music.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to sing responses back to me for

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<v Speaker 2>this entire episode. Can you do that? Our download numbers

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<v Speaker 2>crater Luckily everyone to protect it because I can't say,

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<v Speaker 2>please tell a friend tell me you know, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I have another question for you, though, besides my lack

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<v Speaker 2>of singing talent. Yeah, do you know what's ridiculous? I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I do?

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<v Speaker 1>We got an email from this person? Is not ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>Are our wake sent to us? An email with the

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<v Speaker 1>title Taco Bell Now Taco bells in the news A

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<v Speaker 1>little bit through for the old downstairs Kublamo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what the kids are calling the Maha blast.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, if like I don't know, maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go try song.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm definitely going to go, you know, dial up

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<v Speaker 2>some Taco bell weight loss program.

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<v Speaker 1>For it's like a fun topic of conversation to help people.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys. It's better than like oh I had COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, oh, now I have long lasting things

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<v Speaker 1>and it destroyed my mute. No, this would just be

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<v Speaker 1>like yo, it was crazy, and then you just tell

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<v Speaker 1>people in detail.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that RKA, diarrhea, the brain, the butt.

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<v Speaker 1>Worms, taco bell the top right back on topic, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>are our wake And it says, and I quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you all to know that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>taco bell at Stonehenge. It's actually three miles up the road,

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<v Speaker 1>but perfect if you just spent all day walking around

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks and then like an okay sign emoji and

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<v Speaker 1>then a map link.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I love maps and I love to

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<v Speaker 2>know where taco bells are located.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to street view and it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>bleak looking taco bell and there's just not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on around it. And it's a very brutalist

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<v Speaker 1>like square minimalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Building, opposite of the Pacific Taco Bell there on the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the most beautiful taco bell in the world. Right

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<v Speaker 1>next door Greg's the Baker with a drive through.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably gonna hit Gregg's up to Oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, I would not eat for like three days. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>go to sea Stonehenge. It would be a spiritual experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and the druids would whisper into my brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I would get in the car, driving on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of the street as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Gregs, get some stuff in the drive through,

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<v Speaker 1>and then is there a Taco Bell drive through? There is?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I hit the Taco Bell drive through, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I go back to Stonehenge and I'd sit in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot and shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Eat double up. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there is a parking lot. It's Stonehenge.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, I think there has to be

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of car park situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Never, I just drive, you know what. I would drive

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<v Speaker 1>my rental car smack deb in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>stone the grass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sorry about your.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, buddy brother. I'm looking at this whole thing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a McDonald's there. They're open twenty four hours, pizza hut.

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's twenty four is for all the druids.

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<v Speaker 2>You've thought about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about druids all day.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you one thing that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is. So yeah, thank you are are

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<v Speaker 1>now that we know. I've never been to Stonehead. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go?

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to go? I want to see it too, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to get Gregg's and Taco Bell there.

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<v Speaker 2>I can never line up to schedule. Do I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be there on the equinox? Do I want to

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<v Speaker 2>like the vernal or the autumnal? I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I want to get explosive diarrhea there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Now, keeping it a you know, English and culture

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<v Speaker 2>for you. As my man Billy Shakespeare once famously said

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<v Speaker 2>in Hamlet, Act one, scene three, Oh, I've heard of

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<v Speaker 2>that to thine own self be true, yeah, which truly

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<v Speaker 2>is sage advice. However, around here, we and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we me could paraphrase that quote and add our own twist.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, we and by we I mean me might say,

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<v Speaker 2>to thine own self do crime. This is ridiculous Crime

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<v Speaker 2>A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent ridiculous. Oh, Elizabeth, you and I on the mic

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<v Speaker 2>and off the mic, We've often talked about you winning

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<v Speaker 2>the lottery, Oh god, yeah, And I've asked you what

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<v Speaker 2>you would do with the money. I've asked you who

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<v Speaker 2>you would stay with your windfall of cats today, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to ask you a different question if you were

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<v Speaker 2>or should say, when you win the lottery, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>who trust enough to tell them about your good luck?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How many folks would you tell?

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<v Speaker 1>I would tell you, Oh, thank you. You keep confidence,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you, so I would tell you. I'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>tell my brother, Hm, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know after that, it gets down real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>My best friend Sarah, I would tell her, and then

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, because that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I'd be like as your legal team, he'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell as my attorney, Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you keep your good luck secret once

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<v Speaker 2>you started spending the money?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know I would not be an extravagant spender,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know I wouldn't go burn money on a boat.

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<v Speaker 2>No pink Cadillacs for you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't move to a different house. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I think at least not right away. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>these people go and they just like yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been like three or four years. I think

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<v Speaker 2>most of them do not have.

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<v Speaker 1>The money right and I would. I mean, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have it all set up, so it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not touching the bulk of it. I'm living off

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<v Speaker 1>of the interest that's generated, it's smart. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>know what it would do is just give breathing room.

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<v Speaker 1>And it would give breathing room to me until people

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<v Speaker 1>they care about. So it's not like here's five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars go crazy, Yes, but it's like, no one would

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<v Speaker 1>ever have to worry in my in my life, in

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<v Speaker 1>my orbit, would have to worry about like medical bills

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<v Speaker 1>or utilities or anything. And like then in terms of them,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see like, oh, people that you can kick

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<v Speaker 1>down to, those are anonymous donations, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you throw in a couple like oh you can

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<v Speaker 2>eat spam parties just for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I've been having these great parties for my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bet you guys have been saving up so.

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<v Speaker 2>Long just for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I tell them I'm going on vacation and

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<v Speaker 1>they know, oh, she's going to Rome. They don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm staying in like a five star hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be my little secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like this, what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>How would you would you hide it?

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably give the money away, knowing I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it with you. Yeah, I'd be like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not meant for me somehow the universe has made a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake and I'd give it all away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right here if that ever happens, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll keep that in mind. Now. The reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>ask all this is related to a story I want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you today. Yeah, there's one big danger for

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<v Speaker 2>a lottery renter is that other people, unscrupulous people, possibly

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<v Speaker 2>violent people, learn who the winner is and then they

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<v Speaker 2>target them for a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you don't have to be a lottery winner for

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<v Speaker 2>this to occur. It should just be that you, say,

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<v Speaker 2>discover a gold strike, oh, perhaps a lost sunken treasure.

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<v Speaker 2>The results can be the same. You become a target

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<v Speaker 2>for crime. But what if it's not you, but rather

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<v Speaker 2>someone close to you who holds this treasure? Again, the

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<v Speaker 2>results can be the same. You can become a target

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<v Speaker 2>for crime just because you know someone proximity who holds

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<v Speaker 2>a fortune that someone else wants to steal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could be ransom to get the fortune. You

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<v Speaker 2>can be forced to tell how to get a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of that fortune. Crimer's got options, Elizabeth. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to the young man I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about today. Oh no, yes, his name is Brandon Souls.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time he was nineteen years old, he was

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<v Speaker 2>living in the city of Coolidge, Arizona. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know it, Coolidge is a one named after the

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<v Speaker 2>former president. It's also a small town located about fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five miles southeast from Phoenix or sixty nine miles northwest

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<v Speaker 2>of Tucson. Whichever one you want to use is your

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<v Speaker 2>point of rep relative.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Coolidge, like the President, not like like Surfer

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<v Speaker 1>Valley sink Coolidge.

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<v Speaker 2>No one says.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't like Stuckie.

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<v Speaker 2>That does people do maximums? Serious?

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<v Speaker 1>Well you heard it today.

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<v Speaker 2>They bent you hear that kids added to the lexicon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, forgets six seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So what cold Coolidge? The town is located there in

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<v Speaker 2>what is basically the unforgiving Sonoran Desert. Oh yeah, right now,

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<v Speaker 2>this small town, it boasts a population of roughly twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand citizens today. Back then it's just a few thousand less.

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<v Speaker 2>It was originally a town known for growing cotton and

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<v Speaker 2>for mining. But it does have a share of famous

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<v Speaker 2>folks I looked up who were either from Coolidge or

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<v Speaker 2>spent some formative time there. For instance, guitarist Dwayne Eddie

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<v Speaker 2>is from Coolidge, Arizona. He even graduated from Coolidge High

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<v Speaker 2>also named for the president Supercoe. There's also Lee Hazlewood

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<v Speaker 2>and in the early nineteen fifties he spent two years

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<v Speaker 2>working as a disc jockey in Coolidge and that's where

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<v Speaker 2>he met Dwayne Eddie and then the two went to

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<v Speaker 2>work together, and together they made the song Rebel Rouser

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<v Speaker 2>right right. I'd love that one, the early instrumental rock

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<v Speaker 2>song with that lonesome, ghostly guitar playing at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>and then later on the drums and the sacks kick

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<v Speaker 2>in because it's still like their fifties anyway. I always

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<v Speaker 2>like that song, so you know it was also a

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<v Speaker 2>disc jockey on the radio at Coolidge, Arizona. I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you a hint. My man's name rhymes with Maylan ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Rings, Wolfmanchak, Yes, my man Whaylon Jennings.

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<v Speaker 2>This was obviously or not obviously. This was just before

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<v Speaker 2>he joined Buddy Holly's band as a guitar player. He

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<v Speaker 2>became a DJ in his teens. So yeah, anyway, back

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<v Speaker 2>to Lee Hazelwood. After his time as a DJ in Coolidge,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Hazelwood went on to become a producer in his

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<v Speaker 2>own right. He quite famously produced a song for a

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<v Speaker 2>friend of the show, Nancy Sinatra, a little number called

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<v Speaker 2>These Boots Were Made for Walking, great song, another great song.

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<v Speaker 2>It was her father, Frank Sinatra Senior, who asked Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Hazelwood to sort of shepherd his daughter's music career. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you see, Nancy had followed her father and her older brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Sinatra Junior, into the music business. Yeah. Obviously we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Frank Sinatra Junior before, thanks to his famous abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>That hilarious story deserved its whole own episode. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it was our first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>No second or third, third, Guy Fiery was the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, well, whatever, you have no.

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<v Speaker 1>Notion of ridiculous crime history to you, You don't. It's history.

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<v Speaker 1>No real eyes realize, real lives.

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<v Speaker 2>To own self have some mysteries. So anyway, I digress

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<v Speaker 2>because the reason I bring all this up is I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to stay with that same theme, a ridiculous criminal abduction. Okay, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get back to our young man from Coolidge, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old Brandon Souls.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He was abducted in Coolidge, Arizona, and the reason was

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<v Speaker 2>plain and simple. His father had a huge sum of gold.

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<v Speaker 2>When recognizing that owning so much gold might put him

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<v Speaker 2>at risk for some petty crime, he buried it in

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<v Speaker 2>the dirt and sand of the Sonoran Desert around Coolidge. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is precaution.

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<v Speaker 1>But not on just his own property.

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<v Speaker 2>No, did like a trap. He had like a treasure

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<v Speaker 2>map to find his gold. This precaution didn't stop some

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<v Speaker 2>ambitious criminals from abducting the one person they believed could

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<v Speaker 2>guide them to this hidden buried gold aka his nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old son, Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon, When was this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What time frame?

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<v Speaker 2>This? The story takes place in twenty twenty one?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, Okay, so he was rather recently. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, according to old Brandon, he went out the fateful

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<v Speaker 2>morning of his abduction and he ran some errands, just

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<v Speaker 2>normal day to day stuff. After his errands were done,

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<v Speaker 2>he returned home and that's when two masked men confronted him.

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<v Speaker 2>They hit him on the head, knocking him out. That's

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<v Speaker 2>always beat. So when Brandon comes back to consciousness, he's

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<v Speaker 2>now in the back of an unfamiliar vehicle. Oh No,

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<v Speaker 2>turns out the two mask men had grabbed him, shoved

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of their car, and they were driving

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<v Speaker 2>him around waiting for him to come too. Once Brandon's conscious,

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<v Speaker 2>the two mask men demand that he show them where

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<v Speaker 2>his father buried his cash of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you just gave me a TBI. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot help you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fromatic brand injury.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, i have to relearn language.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, for these two mask men, not only did they

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<v Speaker 2>give Brandon TBI, but his father had not entrusted him

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<v Speaker 2>with the locations of this period gold, so no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how long they drove him around in the desert, he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't help them find the hidden treasure. So the two

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<v Speaker 2>mask men they grow frustrated. Their frustration soon turns to irritation,

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<v Speaker 2>and once they fully believe him that this son of

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<v Speaker 2>a gold hoarder has no idea where the gold is,

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<v Speaker 2>they decide to let him go.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon like his dad never even told me at golds

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<v Speaker 1>atolute Brandon is.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than take him back to his home where they'd

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed him, they drove him out into the desert and

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<v Speaker 2>they left him there where some passers by might see

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<v Speaker 2>him and hopefully rescue the nineteen year old before he

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<v Speaker 2>died from his injuries or from exposure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh.

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<v Speaker 2>Luckily for Brandon, that's exactly what happened. At about five

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five pm on February tenth, twenty twenty one, the

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<v Speaker 2>Coolidge Police Department received a call. The caller said they

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<v Speaker 2>found a young man who was clearly injured. He been

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<v Speaker 2>left bound and gag near the train tracks in city

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<v Speaker 2>water tower. Oh good, Yeah. The young man, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the caller, was coming in and out of consciousness. Rough business.

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<v Speaker 1>Eliza, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Police responded the call, as The New York Times reported,

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<v Speaker 2>and I quote. When the officers arrived, they found a

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<v Speaker 2>man later identified as mister Souls with his hands bound

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<v Speaker 2>behind his back by a belt and a purple bandana

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<v Speaker 2>stuffed in his mouth, according to police. A photo from

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<v Speaker 2>the police department showed the man with his hands tied

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<v Speaker 2>while lying on his side on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm bad, right, so the police.

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<v Speaker 2>So, the police were eager to find these perps who'd

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<v Speaker 2>roughed up this nineteen year old young man and left

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<v Speaker 2>him in the desert. So they asked Brandon what all

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<v Speaker 2>he could recall his kidnappers. According to the police, Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>told them and I quote, he was hit in the

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<v Speaker 2>head and stuffed in a car in front of his home,

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<v Speaker 2>and this occurred after seven o'clock in the morning. That

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't much to go off of, no, and since they

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<v Speaker 2>were masked men, he couldn't really describe what they looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>As for any possible motive for their crimes, Brandon informed

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<v Speaker 2>police that his kidnapping occurred because his father had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of gold hidden in the desert and the men

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<v Speaker 2>mistakenly believed he knew where it was and that he

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<v Speaker 2>could take them and they would dig up the hidden

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<v Speaker 2>treasure and boom they be rich.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Naturally, when the police hear all this, they get curious,

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<v Speaker 2>like wait, what so to THETT right, Yeah, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>bring out the good stuff. So, while Brandon's taken to

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital to seek treatment for his injuries, the police

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<v Speaker 2>launch a full on investigation to find his abductors, and

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<v Speaker 2>as their investigation takes shape, the police also took to

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook to warn residents of Coolidge about the crime and

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<v Speaker 2>these alleged abductors in case there's anybody else with a

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<v Speaker 2>gold horde in the desert that they might be interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Coolidge police post on their Facebook page as

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<v Speaker 2>you do in a small town, and I quote the

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<v Speaker 2>male subject whose hands were bound behind his back with

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<v Speaker 2>a belt and had a bandana stuffed in his mouth. Initially,

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<v Speaker 2>the subject reported officers that two masked men kidnapped him,

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<v Speaker 2>hit his head, knocking him unconscious, and drove him around

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<v Speaker 2>in a vehicle before they left him in the area

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<v Speaker 2>he was found. So that's pretty much all the details.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, so we get a couple more cops like this,

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<v Speaker 2>all we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting knocked unconscious is a very TV thing, like a

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<v Speaker 1>very amnesia thing. Yes, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Your instincts are sound, yeah, because there's a key word

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<v Speaker 2>in that police statement, Elizabeth. Initially because over time Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>Soul's story started to change. Details were corrected, timelines were adjusted,

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<v Speaker 2>and the shape of the crime completely transformed. Turns out

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<v Speaker 2>there was far more to the story than what Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>Soul's originally told police. As the police continue to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>his abduction, the facts never quite corroborated his story or

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<v Speaker 2>the stories he evolved. You know. But before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into all that, let's take a little break and after

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<v Speaker 2>these messages, we'll get deeper into this story to separate

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<v Speaker 2>fact from fiction and kind of uncover the truth. But first,

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<v Speaker 2>a word from our sponsors, and we're back Elizabeth. Hello. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>before the break, I told you the story of the

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<v Speaker 2>abduction of Brandon Souls and how two masked men grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>him and demanded that he show them where his father

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<v Speaker 2>had buried a bunch of gold in the Arizona desert. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and when that didn't work out, they just left him

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert. Well, that wasn't the full story, as

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<v Speaker 2>I started to indicate there at the end. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to take a guess of what the real story was.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to guess that Brandon didn't know where

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<v Speaker 1>his dad buried the gold and thought that maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is how he could get access to Oh that's good,

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<v Speaker 1>but he faked it. I don't think anybody hit him

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<v Speaker 1>on the He may have hit himself on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe paid some dufust friend that a ne'er.

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<v Speaker 2>Do well friend who's got to pay Get up from

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<v Speaker 2>that seven of them parking lot, come help me with

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<v Speaker 2>my master crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I mean, I just I'm not buying it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what actually, Okay, tell me what.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually.

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<v Speaker 2>He took the detectives a few days to chase down

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<v Speaker 2>corroborating evidence for Brandon's soul's story. They collected surveillance video

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<v Speaker 2>from his neighbors. They chased down the people who Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned to police in his interview that took place at

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital while he was being treated for his injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, who, what's your buddy's name, what's your dad's name?

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<v Speaker 2>What neighbor might have seen you? He tells them all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, and he's like, well, I was driving by.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I saw mister so and so at the store.

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<v Speaker 2>So they go and they check up with mister so

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<v Speaker 2>and so and with his dad and with his friends

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. The police also checked his text messages in

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<v Speaker 2>his call history, because he mentioned that his abductors had

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<v Speaker 2>texted him or called him, so they're like, let me

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<v Speaker 2>see your phone, kid. Brandon also told police that he'd received,

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<v Speaker 2>as they said, threatening texts and calls, but when the

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<v Speaker 2>police checked his cell phone for any record of threatening

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<v Speaker 2>texts or calls, they found no evidence of any calls

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<v Speaker 2>or texts from unknown numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>No one uses his phone, he doesn't have a dad.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no coolage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no Golden Arizona. They found no calls or

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<v Speaker 2>texts that matched his version of events. So the police

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<v Speaker 2>were like, well, that's curious. So the Coolidge police did

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<v Speaker 2>a little more digging the surveillance they collected. It failed

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<v Speaker 2>to corroborate his story as well. They're like, we should

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<v Speaker 2>see on some of this video you get hit the

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<v Speaker 2>head shoved in a car, even if it's grainy, we

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<v Speaker 2>should see it. They had no video evidence the interviews

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<v Speaker 2>they conducted with the folks Brandon mentioned in his hospital interview.

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<v Speaker 2>They also failed to corroborate his version of events, so

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't get his witnesses set up before the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this made police extra curious about what had really

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<v Speaker 2>occurred that fateful morning of his abduction, and there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do in Coolidge, so they could really

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<v Speaker 2>focus on this case. Next, the hospital compiled its records

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<v Speaker 2>and they shared them with the police. The hospital's tests

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<v Speaker 2>and exams showed no signs or indications that Brandon had

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<v Speaker 2>a concussion or had sustained any head injury whatsoever. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so he is a real featherweight, glass jaw type kunk

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the head and he goes out and doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>leave a mark at.

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<v Speaker 1>All at all. But it was, like I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not common to lose consciousness like that. No, after like

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<v Speaker 1>getting clonked on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta pretty much choke a person out if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to cut off air supply to their brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then it's also when they come to it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be just like do like birds tweeting

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<v Speaker 1>around there.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you got to like pinch the vegas nerve the

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<v Speaker 2>way boxers do when their jaw gets twisted. Ya, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to do one or the other. But you just

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<v Speaker 2>hit somebody at the top of their heads kind of

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<v Speaker 2>movie stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it took two weeks for the police to do

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<v Speaker 2>their investigation. Coolish police. They go back and forth and

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<v Speaker 2>they interviewed Brandon again and then interviewed them again. They

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<v Speaker 2>presented them with information about when they want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what really happened on that faidful February seventeenth. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when the detectives presented Brandon with all of their evidence

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<v Speaker 2>and the lack of evidence supported what he claimed and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking to they told him, look, look we checked

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<v Speaker 2>your phone and he's like, oh, you checked.

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<v Speaker 1>It longest two weeks of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, pretty much, right, there's no calls or texted back

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<v Speaker 2>up your story. Brandon's like, well, I'm telling you that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. He's stuck to his story.

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<v Speaker 1>But your search history.

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<v Speaker 2>You need help some So police also presented him in

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the surveillance video they collected also did not

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<v Speaker 2>support his claims. She's like, my neighbors have a camera.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, yeah, you were not knocked unconscious or stuffed

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of a car. So as a cooliage,

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<v Speaker 2>police then summarized and I quote, he informed us that

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<v Speaker 2>he was hit in the head and stuffed in a

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<v Speaker 2>car in front of his home, and this occurred after

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<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock in the morning. But when we located video

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance in front of his home, we were able to

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<v Speaker 2>see no such thing. So they're like, look, we see

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<v Speaker 2>you walking out of frame, which don't see any abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon stuck to his story. He's like, look, I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>what's what happened, guys. So the police informed Brandon that

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<v Speaker 2>his hospital records conflict with his story and that there

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<v Speaker 2>was no evidence he had a concussion blow to the head,

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<v Speaker 2>none of it. Guess what, Elizabeth Brandon stuck to his story.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors can't be wrong. So the police hit him with

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<v Speaker 2>their big surprise. They said his father told police that

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<v Speaker 2>he had no treasure of gold, nor had he treked

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<v Speaker 2>off into the desert to bury said treasure of gold

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<v Speaker 2>from an he would be thieves. So now he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even have the motive for the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>That police said that they believed that quote your story

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<v Speaker 2>was fabricated and no kidnapping or assault occurred. Seeking This

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<v Speaker 2>is when Brandon dropped the act and he told police

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<v Speaker 2>what had actually happened to him. He confessed that there

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 2>were no mass men, and he wasn't struck over the

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<v Speaker 2>head and knocked unconscious, that he wasn't driven around as

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the two would be thieves demanded he identified where his

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>father buried his imagined treasure of gold. The police were like, yeah, duh,

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>we just said all that to you and we showed

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you our evidence. What you got, son. So Brandon then

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<v Speaker 2>confessed that in turns out he had abducted himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he Here's the thing though, if I'm the dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I would I bury the stuff in the desert, And

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<v Speaker 1>when asked, I have no idea what you goal.

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>That's why you're going to keep your money when you

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<v Speaker 2>win the lottery. Now, according to Coolidge PD and I quote,

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Brandon informed us that he at first stuffed a bandana

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<v Speaker 2>in his mouth. Afterwards, he took off his own belt

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 2>and bound his hands with his own belt, laid on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, and scooted out on the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>road so somebody could see him, and waited.

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>So you didn't even punch himself or anything. Head help.

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.680
<v Speaker 2>This elaborate story. Along with this salt of text message evidence,

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.639
<v Speaker 2>he claimed to have her all made up. So, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>why why would this nineteen year old make up some wild,

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 2>uncorroborated story and insists for two weeks that it was true?

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<v Speaker 2>Questions Elizabeth Well back to the Coolidge Police as he

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<v Speaker 2>succinctly summed up this rather curious case. And I quote,

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<v Speaker 2>after we showed him all the information, he admitted that

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<v Speaker 2>he fabricated the story because he didn't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to work. What you see that he's right is this kid,

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old Brandon Soul worked in a place called

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.639
<v Speaker 2>the tire factory. That's where and I quote he installed

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<v Speaker 2>tires and drove around the area to pick up parts

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<v Speaker 2>for the store.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, if he's standing in one of those tire places.

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<v Speaker 1>The fumes, Oh yeah, I would blame the fumes for

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<v Speaker 1>making him do this.

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Make him go crazy. Those the rubber smell is intense.

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<v Speaker 1>When you went, like at the Costco that I go to,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to walk out by the tire center and

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I get all lightheaded. Yeah, then I faint

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's their fault. And I tell him to assume

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<v Speaker 1>unless they give me.

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>The hidden around the store. So I gots that faithful

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>February morning, Brandon woke up and he was like, hell, no,

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go to work at the tire

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<v Speaker 2>store today. How do I get out of work? And

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 2>this whole debacle was his answer. He decided to abduct himself.

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Go out to the edge of town. She have a

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>bandan in his mouth, tighten belt around his wrist, and

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<v Speaker 2>then lie down on the dusty air gold next door

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>The gold story is amazing. Why did they do this?

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>She could have just got jumped.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't He won't tell you about it. So if he

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<v Speaker 2>says he doesn't have it, he he just because he

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want you to know a bunch man like a pirate.

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And I know Spanish gold obviously after they determined that

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 2>he confess that he'd made it all up. The local

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Coolidge police were pissed at this kid who didn't want

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>to go to work at the tire store. So for

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 2>one the local residents for two weeks had to live

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 2>in fear that they might also be violently abducted. That

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 2>wasn't all. The police were also pissed about all the

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 2>wasted manpower and time and the money spent on the investigation.

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Police claimed that the fake abduction wasted the resources of

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<v Speaker 2>not just local police, but also the fire department, the

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>ems SO, the emergency medical services aka the ambulance driver

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and e MT. Then there was also the hospital staff

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>wasted time treating his imagined and self inflicted injuries.

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.639
<v Speaker 1>All the first respect who when they were off duty

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.919
<v Speaker 1>went out and started just digging random holes in the

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>desert exactly, that was a waste of time.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>The only person who got lucky in town was whoever

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>sold metal detectors. So the police eventually have to release

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a public statement about the phony abduction. As they explained

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to the New York Times, it was very important that

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>we put out that media release to let people know

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 2>that our community is still safe and that there are

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 2>not two masked men running around kidnapping people. Cool Out,

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Coolidge killage. As a result of his fake abduction, Brandon

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Souls lost his job at the tire Factor. Yeah, so

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, problem solved. He no longer had to go

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>into work. So boom boom boom. You know his boss

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.719
<v Speaker 2>is like, if only he showed the sort of creativity

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and ambition at the tire shop. Now. Brandon was charged

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 2>with reporting false information, to which he pleaded guilty. He

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>was convicted and sentenced to a pay a fine of

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>five hundred and fifty dollars. You think that's enough for

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 2>him to learn his lesson?

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>No, who knows, No, Dad probably had it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have to ask a question for you, another

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 2>one without incriminating yourself. What is the easiest length you've

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>ever gone to get out of work?

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>To get out of work? I just tell him I'm

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>not coming in. I used to work with a guy

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>who had a gambling problem, and he would go up

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to Reno. Sure, and then he would call Monday morning

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and be like, you know, I'd answer the phone, but yeah,

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.640
<v Speaker 1>can you I'm really sick. Can you tell him I'm

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>not coming in? He's like dying yet, and like I

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like last time I had a cold, it

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't sound like that, or like have you been stabbed?

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>And then meanwhile in the background you hear slat.

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the hospital.

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean generally, it's like I'll say, like, yeah, I'm

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>not feeling well, I'm not coming in today, so I can't.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I've never really gone to lengths because I feel like,

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>just say it, And I can't stand when people overshare

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 1>why they don't want to come.

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of those people. But as you might imagine,

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I've gone to some insane lengths to get out of work,

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>but I've never had charges filed against me. No, I

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 2>can't say that. My friend Chris and I we used

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to have a business together, paint company, and one time,

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to get out of work, or rather to explain why

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.479
<v Speaker 2>we didn't do work we were supposed to do, he

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>told a customer that his truck had been stolen. Right now,

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea who was going to say that,

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm standing right next to him, so now I

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 2>got to keep a straight face. Well, he goes into detail,

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>but I his truck was stolen and then quickly recovered

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>by the police and know we didn't lose anything, even

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 2>though it's loaded up with the tools and equipment, and

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>he just, I guess apparently hoped it. You know that

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I was glad he didn't wrote me in for any

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 2>details because I guess you hoped I keep a straight face.

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Somehow I managed too, because I was not known for

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>keeping a straight face in those instances. But I will

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>say that if it's a story just focused on what

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.479
<v Speaker 2>I've done, the worst thing I can think of is

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like I faked injuries from skateboarding, So like I've had

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>real injuries and just made them bleed again to get

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>out of work. Look what just happened, right, I've done that.

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I've also claimed that I had a doctor's appointment that

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have, But you have to understand the way

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I got around that I had that covered because if

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I was questioned, I had this notepad of officials doctor's

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.479
<v Speaker 2>notes that I could fill out and supply is evidence

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that I'd gone to the doctors, so you would have

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>no harm, no foul. Yeah. You see, I nicked this

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>pad of doctor's notes when I went in for like

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a routine checkup, and they left me alone in the

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>exam room mistake on their part. I saw the doctor's pad,

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>like the notes on the desk, and de said, like,

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you just fill it out like saw doctor so and so,

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and you get like check boxes as go Why So

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I saw that and I was like yoick, and I

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.959
<v Speaker 2>pocketed that thing so fast. I use so many of

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>this doctor's notes to get out of stuff. I even

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>sold a few people I knew who might, like you,

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>wanted to pull a scam for themselves. I gave out

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>a few to friends, like when I wanted them to

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>do something on the week and I'm like, here, here's

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you one of my doctor's notes. You're good.

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>So it was incredible, but this is all bush lely

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>compared to my van. Okay, well that in mind, let's

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>take another break and after these messages, we'll be back

0:29:49.480 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>with the cherry for this Sunday of crime. We're back, Elizabeth. Yes, Now,

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>in my parlance, I've saved the best for last, have

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you know?

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>And I've kind of tipped my hand though, And you

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>know what game I'm playing. So for this next story,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you'll likely presume that the story I tell you is

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>not the real story. But I'll tell you this it

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>may or may not be true, but either way, I

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>do have another story for you, Okay. This one comes

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>from the tiny town of Pineville, Louisiana, Louisiana. Yeah, home

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>to sixteen thousand souls. And it's located in the northern

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>half of Louisiana. Like so like far from New Orleans

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and the fun Cajun Navy. No, this one's up about

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles northwest of Baton Rouge. And according to

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times, when you drive into tiny and

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>quaint Pineville, Louisiana, you'll find a sign welcoming you to town.

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>There on main Street is this sign that reads A

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>great place to call home. Yeah. Now, Pineville was home

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to John Michael Guillard, Junior. He was a local cop.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>He'd been on the force for about five years. It

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 2>was a good clean cop, least according to his record

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and his five years on the forest. He'd never had

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>a disciplinary report filed against him.

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>No, I would hope so.

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you could say he was like a young

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 2>veteran cop right who looked to have a bright future

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>on the force. Yeah, and then his life took quite

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>an unexpected turn. Yeah. By dateline voice, I like that

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>it was September twentieth, in the year twenty twenty. Officer

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>John Michael Golart was out on patrol. It was just

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>after eleven PM, and the officer was performing a routine

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>patrol of a local strip mall. Now, typically the local

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>PD would check this strip mall's parking lot. They might

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>even stop to check the doors to the strip mall

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that they were locked and no one

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>had pried them open or tried maybe broken a lock.

0:31:57.840 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>That's that's white glove service right.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>There, and that's what Officer Gular was doing that fateful

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Sunday night. And that's also when he got the big

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>surprise of his life. You know what, Rather than me

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>tell you about it, Elizabeth, close your eyes, I want

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you to picture. It's another quiet night at Pineville, Louisiana,

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and you are a cop out on patrol because you

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>are Patrolman John Michael Goulard Junior, driving around checking on things,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>keeping up with any of the usual suspects. The city

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>of Pineville, if one wishes to be ambitious by calling

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>it such a thing, is a sort of small municipality

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>where crime feels rare, although feelings can be misleading. Elizabeth.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>If you were to check the statistics, you'd find Pineville

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 2>is home to plenty of violent crime, especially relative to

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>its small size. Local real estate listings typically include the

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>crime stats, and those same listings point out that the

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>small town is only safer than two percent of the

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>rest of the nation. That's not good to put that

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>statistic in context. That means any person in Pineville has

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a one in one hundred and twenty six chance of

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>being the victim of a violent crime. That's not the

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing you put on a big sign welcoming

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.959
<v Speaker 2>visitors to Pineville. However, since you're a local police officer,

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you are well aware of the crime stats and your

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>elevated chances of encountering some violence while you're out on patrol.

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Tonight has been uneventful. You've been out on patrol for

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a few hours. You had the one traffic stop. The

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>driver was traveling at five miles above the posted speed limit.

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>It was a minor infraction, but a small town like

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Pineville has to raise revenue somehow. After that traffic stop,

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you've been doing your rounds, checking on the churches and

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the local businesses. It's about eleven PM now on this

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Sunday night when you pull into the parking lot of

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a local strip mall. In recent weeks, there was an

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>attempt to pry open the doors to one of the businesses.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>The thieves had no luck, but the department has promised

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 2>to double check the strip mall during routine patrols. And

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>so you pull your police cruiser into the parking lot.

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Gravel slowly crushed over your tires until your patrol car

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>pulls to a stop. As the engine idols, you check

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>your surroundings. With your driver's side window down. You can

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hear the cicadas and the other bugs still active in

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 2>this warm night air against the backdrop of the night.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Nothing untowards seems to be going down. Then you feel it,

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>your stumming gurgles. Oh, I guess that second chili dog

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>was a mistake. Plus, you've been going at it pretty

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 2>heavy with the diet cokes. You're currently working on. Your

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>second forty four ounce cup of coke could be that too,

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. You decide this stop might be a good

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 2>time to relieve your bladder, take a little pressure off.

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 2>No one's around, there's no one to catch you urinating

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.439
<v Speaker 2>in public. You shut off your police cruiser's engine all

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>grows quiet. The door to your patrol car swings open,

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and you unfold yourself from the driver's seat and step

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>out into the Strip Mall parking lot. You plan to

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>step around the side of the businesses so you can

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>do your business on the wa You take a step,

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 2>but then you sense something odd, that strange sensation that

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you're being watched. You stop in place. You look around.

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so quiet you can hear your own nervous breaths,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and then, without warning, you hear it the small firecracker

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 2>pop of a gunshot, and then you feel it. Whoever

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>fired that shot caught you in the leg. You yelp

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>in pain, and then crumple to the ground. Lying there,

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>you hear a second shot. It tears into the metal

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>skin of your patrol car's door. You unsnap the holster

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and draw your service weapon, a glock forty. Its familiar

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>weight in your hand gives you a feeling of confidence

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>you can take down whoever it is that just shot you.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>You wait a moment, listening for any disturbance of the

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>brush at the edge of the Strip Mall parking lot,

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>or maybe running footsteps headed your way, but all remain silent.

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Only the insects make a sound. You pull yourself over

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to your patrol car and reach into the open driver's

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 2>side door. You grab your police race you and make

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 2>a frantic call.

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Officer down, officer down. Shots fired at the Pineville Strip Mall.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I repeat, shots fired at the Pineville Strip Mall. I

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 3>need a bus at the Strip mall. The dispatcher responds,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 3>how many shooters? I repeat, how many shooters are a present?

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>You squeeze the radio handset in reply, unknown assailant, I repeat,

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>unknown number of assailants. Send a bus. The dispatcher's concern

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>colors her voice. Ems are on their way. Bus is

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:31.240
<v Speaker 2>in root. Your breathing is now ragged. The adrenaline surges

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 2>through you as you scan your surroundings, waiting to see

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>the shooter pop out. You clutch your service firearm in

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>your hand. The glock forty feels like safety in your grip.

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>In those long minutes you're there alone, the shooter never

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 2>shows his or her face, and finally you hear police

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>sirens approaching. Mixed in you can also hear an ambulance.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>The bus is here, the cavalry is on its way.

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. Elizabeth, you just got shot.

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's terrifying. Pineville, Louisiana six right, those are some

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>crazy numbers.

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it is nuts. Louisiana is number two

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>in the nation for gun violence according to Oh Yeah. So,

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>this harrowing account is how an unseen gunman put down

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Officer John Michael Goulart Junior. When he was asked about

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>what exactly happened in that strip mall parking lot, officer

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>gular told his fellow lawman that quote, he did not

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 2>see anybody, he heard the shots, and was shot after

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that, officers. After that, he was transported

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to a local hospital treated for his gunshot wound. Officially

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 2>was listed as an injury to his calf. The curious

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>thing that I found in my research is that Pineville,

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Louisiana was a semi dry city. For instance, the town

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>has no liquor stores, nor does it allow beer, wine,

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>or alcohol of any kind to be sold in grocery stores.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Originally created as a dry city, it was only in

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first century that Pineville voters decided to allow

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.720
<v Speaker 2>alcohol to be sold in restaurants. That's like for the visitors,

0:37:58.719 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Even I was back in twenty thirteen, took a special election.

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>That's wild.

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, thanks to that history of their blue laws, gun

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 2>violence is far lower than other cities and towns in Louisiana. Now,

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>in fact, the city doesn't even keep standalone gun violence statistics. Yeah,

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 2>which is notable in the state of Louisiana, which shamefully

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>boasts one of the highest rates of gun violence in

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the United States. And I did look all this up.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>According to JOHNS. Hopkins, in twenty twenty three, the state

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>of Louisiana had the second highest rate of homicide by

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>gun violence and the second highest rate of death by

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 2>gun violence in the entire United States. And the state

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of Louisiana is like kind of known for boone booms.

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>So while gun violence is rampant in Louisiana, it was

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>not so common in small town Pineville. Yeah, they have

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 2>more like fight violence. Yeah yeah, somebody hitting somebody with like,

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a rake or whatever. Anyway, after his

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>gunshot wound gets treated Officer Gollard, he's released from the hospital. Now, naturally,

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>whenever there's a shooting of a small town cop in

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a place like Pineville, Louisiana, the local police are gonna

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 2>go yah ya oh know it pulled on a full

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 2>court press to find his assailants for possible assailants plural,

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 2>which is exactly what these local cops did. When no

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 2>word of the shooting starts to spread around the small town,

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Deputy Chief Darryl B. Basco stepped forward to calm the populace.

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>He gave an interview and reported what he knew about

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the shooting. According to Deputy Chief Basco, he said that

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Officer Goillard and I quote was ambush by an unknown person. Thanks,

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Deputy Chief really really got to the basicly that. Okay.

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>So obviously this is not a whole hell of a

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>lot to go off of or to form an investigation,

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 2>but since he was one of their own, the Pineville

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 2>police hit the streets hard looking for the shooter or

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>possible shooters plural. Officer Gillard's fellow lawman searched hi low

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>or any signs of an armed purp. The department also

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 2>launched a more traditional investigation. They sourced surveillance footage from

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the cameras of the businesses at the Strip Mall. Officers

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 2>also performed a standard door knocking campaign. They went door

0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to door and they spoke with all their neighbors in

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>business owners who may have been around, asking them what

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 2>all they may have or may not have seen or

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 2>heard that night. Sure, Now, Elizabeth, keep in mind, this

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 2>was early fall of twenty twenty. That same summer had

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>seen nationwide protests against police violence after the murder of

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>George Floyd. Police around the country at this point, they're

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>on high alert. They were a tempting to navigate the

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 2>protests and all the anti police rhetoric. So naturally, when

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a police officer is shot by an unknown assailant in

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>a small town in the South, imaginations turned to the

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 2>worst oh yeah possible readings of the evidence.

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly.

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Locals took to Facebook to do their best to back

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:38.439
<v Speaker 2>the blue. They imagined some crazed leftists had come into town,

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 2>hopped up on anti police rhetoric and was shooting cops

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>out on patrol by themselves to get back at our

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.479
<v Speaker 2>boys in blue. Now, in the twenty four hours after

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>that story first broke of the shooting of Pineville officer,

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 2>the local PD's Facebook page is just lit up right

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah is chocolate block expressions of support and gratitude

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and thanks, and the local books are like they were

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.479
<v Speaker 2>back in the blue as hard as well physically. He's

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 2>going on, you know it right? So, according to New

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 2>York Times, one person who posted on Pineville's PDEs facebook

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>page wrote, and I quote prayers for this officer and

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>his family, blood and blue. I pray each morning a

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 2>night for these men and women. Just let them go

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>home safe and sound now. Other locals sent the gunshot

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>officer their well wishes personally a quick recovery from this

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 2>heinous attack. Some called out the shooter on the on

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the PD the Pineville PD's Facebook page, Yeah, called him

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>out for their their cowardice and their prejudice. Some folks

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 2>were also calling for swift justice against the shooters. You

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 2>know what that means, like, let's form a mob now.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 2>The chief of Police for Pineville, Donald Weatherford, he took

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.919
<v Speaker 2>to Facebook to thank the public for their quote overwhelming

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 2>response and he appreciated the mini officers of financial support

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 2>they were put forward by local business leaders and the

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>grateful public. Chief of Police Weatherford he also noted that

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>your continued support and information for the investigations. What's most

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>yeah Now, people were happy to come forward whatever they

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>could remember and this was by the way a very

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>true statement from the chief of police, because at this

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 2>point this case was far from solved, far from settled.

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>They were very little to go on. They've gotten almost

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 2>no leads to pursue, no suspects to interrogate. They were

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 2>still a basically square one of their investigation. So, as

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the chief of police said at the time, we never

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>developed any suspects. As this went on like it was

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>a rough business for them, so Elizabeth. Luckily for the

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Pineville PD. At this point the truth entered the picture,

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and when it popped up into view, well it muddied

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the waters of what the locals and the police had

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>believed to be true. Oh no, it turns out there

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 2>was no prejudiced, crazed leftist shooter had come to town. Now,

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 2>there was no nothing, nothing in diva about this one.

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>It was just, as a local PD later had to

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>explain to the press, the shooting and the alleged shooter

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 2>or shooters plural were apparently entirely fictional, as in, they

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>did not exist. You See, what had happened was when

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Officer John Mike Junior got out of his patrol car,

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>he shot himself. Now I made up that all that

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 2>whole part about him needing to pee. I don't know

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the real reason he got out of his patrol car,

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 2>but I do know that when he got out, somehow

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>he shot himself in the leg.

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 1>So like he didn't have the safety on and he

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>just kind of stumbled.

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Or possibly maybe he wanted to take his gun out

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to like loosen his belt. I don't know what his

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking was, but I do know that once he realized

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 2>he was shot in the leg, he radioed into dispatch

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>that he'd been shot, and he was, and he then

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 2>left out the part that he was also the shooter.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.720
<v Speaker 2>He was just like an officer down. We've got an officer.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Down, ballistics issues, police involved shooting.

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 2>So when this story turns ont dime at this point

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>we go back over to Pineville PDEs facebook page. The

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>folks who were posting suddenly changed there.

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Toune a little bit.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>All those calls for prayers dried up, The folks back

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 2>in the blue got real quiet, real quick, and the

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Facebook feed soon became home to a slew of new

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>messages like this one that stated yourself a favor and

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 2>donate to something actually worth donating to, like to the

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 2>family a Briona Taylor or the many other victims of

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>bad cops just like this one.

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Did he have a gofund me? This guy?

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, people are offering you know, he didn't actually

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>have a go for me that I found. So at

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 2>this point, Deputy Chief Darryl Basco had to publicly admit

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to the press and I quote, we determined that he

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was untruthful and that he shot himself.

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Well look, and the thing is, it's like, how crappy

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>that is for his coworkers.

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're going to go through that. They're not They

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't do anything wrong. They're doing their best.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 2>They all look like pow dunk backwards.

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>The world is this tinderbox?

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>You got New York Times reporting on Pineville. God, when

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the police started investigating the shooting, they did find the

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.839
<v Speaker 2>bullet casings, and they were only too happy to say

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 2>that the empty shells they retrieved from the crime scene

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>did not come from the department issued firearm. Oh yeah,

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>but that just suggested Officer Gulard shot himself with his

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.879
<v Speaker 2>backup gun because he was legally allowed to carry an

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.320
<v Speaker 2>extra gun in addition to his department issued side arm.

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 2>So my guess is that his backup gun was also

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a glock. The safety on the glock is on the trigger.

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>He pulled the gun, hit that safety, squeezed too hard,

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 2>shot himself right in the calf.

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he had it in like an ankle

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>holster and was going to take it out.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 2>And oh, that's interesting, that'd be a smaller gun. Yeah yeah,

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>But then I do not know, because we don't really

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 2>know much about this case because you know, if we

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>shot himself with his backup gun or whatnot, because, as

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times reported, Deputy Chief Basco and I

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 2>quote declined to provide further details. Oh yeah, sure, yeah,

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>they done me up real quick. Now, a more interesting

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.800
<v Speaker 2>question did remain unsolved. Back to the old Deputy Chief Basco,

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.359
<v Speaker 2>as he put it, part of what we're still doing

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>is investigating the motive as to what he thought was

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.799
<v Speaker 2>going to happen by reporting in ambush instead of that

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>he had shot himself. You see, I do find that interesting.

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.959
<v Speaker 2>What the hell was he thinking? Why did he plan

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>to lie to his fellow lawman and pretend to be shot.

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Did he not think that they would investigate? He just

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to play them like they're stupid.

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 1>But what else was he doing that? He you know,

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that if you're already doing something you shouldn't

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>be doing.

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like he had someone there with him, maybe.

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, or you know, you're you're just inept and

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you realize, like I've screwed all this stuff up. Well

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna make and you look at Like I said,

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 1>we're living at that point in this tinder box of

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:35.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy tension across the country. You know, his mind is

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>probably we'll play it up and then he can be

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.399
<v Speaker 1>the hero instead of the.

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Duces I thought about it.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.280
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't know how to handle a weapon.

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.839
<v Speaker 2>I should remind you he was an officer who'd spent

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 2>five years on the force, so he wasn't some scared rookie.

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>He was essentially a veteran cop. But when this veteran

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 2>officer makes a serious mistake into shooting himself, his first

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>instinct is to lie about it. He immediately attempts to

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.879
<v Speaker 2>cover it up by making up this unknown shooter yeah

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.319
<v Speaker 2>and some gun crime, which is both ridiculs us and

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 2>frankly unsurprising. Now, naturally, with this sort of embarrassment to

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the local PD, the mayor of Pineville had to step

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>in to calm down the public's reaction to the lies

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 2>from the local police. So Mayor Clarence Field stepped into

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 2>the fray and wanted to tell reporters that he knew

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Officer Gular personally and he was quote a very good

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>police officer.

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, you don't even need to go there with it.

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 2>However, that said, the mayor did have to admit that

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>officer Glar very much lied a by getting shot by

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 2>some unseen stranger. Then the mayor connected the officer's self

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>inflicted officer involved shooting to the nationwide police protest of

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>You're kidding.

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>He said that it was quote unfortunate, especially considering quote

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>everything going on in America relative to relationships between police

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and the community.

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to actually say that.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, your honor, it is unfortunate for a cop to

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>shoot himself and then lie about it in the midst

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 2>of nationwide protests, say.

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>This is a terrible situation.

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.879
<v Speaker 2>And where and ideally, yeah, but he seems like.

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>He's coloring all this other stuff in.

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, all that unlawful violence by police

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 2>that people are protesting, Well, what if I introduced some Also,

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the other major theme cops who lie about the crimes

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>they commit, and I just kind of combine those into

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>unlawful violence on myself and lie about that.

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>What about self friendly fire?

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>So Mayor Clarence Field, he did con see that the

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>local Pineville Police department was quote mindful that they will

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 2>probably be looked at very differently and save some criticism,

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you think, Mayor. Yeah, Now, the mayor had been in

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 2>office for a while. He was electing like nineteen ninety

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>nine or so somewhere around that period of time, so

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like going on like two decades in office.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So you know, the mayor really knew how he had

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 2>an astute read of the public.

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:51.280
<v Speaker 1>As to say, he's in a small town. He hasn't

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>had to make the statements exactly.

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>He misread the public because he thought of it. Everyone

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>just like in Pineville exactly, they'll trust whatever the cops

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:02.879
<v Speaker 2>and these other powdered pig lawyers. We got to say. Now,

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 2>as for any swift justice for officer, he was arrested,

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>charged and booked at the local detention center on I

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>saw reported as both one hundred thousand dollar bail and

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars bail, which I think it was people

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>we are confusing because usually only have to post ten percent.

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Either way, he was booked on and he got bailed out.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 2>He was officially charged with quote mischief or false rey,

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>part of a crime, and malfeasance in office. Now, however,

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 2>this is where the trail ends, because I could find

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 2>well finding official records of this case, ones that are

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>still available online. I found a lot of four or

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 2>four not you know, like it was no longer yet,

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of dead links. It was. It was damn

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 2>near impossible to find official records. So since I couldn't

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>find any evidence that the charge is stuck or the officer,

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 2>John Michael Goilart Junior, ever faced justice swift or otherwise,

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I have to assume that I do know he's put

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on an administrative leaf. Well maybe, but that's just like

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, a vacation for a cop oil investigations on going.

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he claimed fied immunity against.

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Himself and himself. Oh I know, well I'm guessing this much.

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Pineville being a small town in northern Louisiana. I think

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>this officer involved shooting was eventually swept under the rug

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and now he works in Arkansas or no idea exactly. So, Elizabeth,

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I do have to ask you one last question. Yes,

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 2>what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, you know, just I don't understand this

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>immediate like leap to lying about.

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Stuff and so poorly bad time.

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Because I just I've seen this happen where it just

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>gets worse and worse and worse, and it's always best

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 1>just to like rip the band aid off, admit something.

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you do something stupid, just say it.

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I do something stupid, just say it. I did, you know,

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>no no excuses.

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It works. You get like a nickname around the department.

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one was so cool. I mean, like look

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>at look at a little dude at the tire store, right,

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go into work, so instead, I mean,

0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 1>he probably doesn't have like sick time, right, probably can't

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>take that time. So if he says I can't come

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>in today, he.

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Can get a fire job.

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Well a lot worse than.

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 2>That happens, and he did lose his lost your.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Job plus some and then this cat like shooting himself idiotic.

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 1>But what you have to do is like calmly call

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it in and then take your lumps.

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And mistakes happen mistakes happen. Why don't you start scheming now,

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>these are not mistakes. When they are a mistake, they're

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>just bigger.

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>But they I bet they never thought they'd wind up

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 1>on here.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:35.360
<v Speaker 2>No exactly, So my ridiculous take away. Thank you for

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>having me.

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, I forgot about you.

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I was so struck by a town deciding to allow

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>people to start drinking in twenty thirteen. They're like, only

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>in restaurants, not in the piggy wiggly Well.

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the thing is that, like, you know,

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 1>here in California, you can buy hard liquor in the supermarket. Yeah,

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>And but you know, like other places I've lived, places

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>where you can't can't can't buy hard liquor in the

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 1>suit they only do beer and wine.

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the store.

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Can't touch that stuff on Sunday. They don't even serve

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it in a restaurant.

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Some places in the South, it's like you can't

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.800
<v Speaker 2>buy liquor until after it was more actually the Northeast,

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't buy liquor so after church ends. Some places

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.840
<v Speaker 2>in the South it's all Sunday till Monday.

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, and then where I lived in the South, you couldn't.

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 1>You can only buy groceries at Walmart before like noon

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 1>until church ended. Really yeah, and then then they would

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>open up the rest of the store and they'd rope

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 1>things off, and so like if I needed, like, you know,

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:39.720
<v Speaker 1>some little gasket or something for you know, the city, yeah,

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I like, duck under the cordon, grab it and then

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>go through self checkout. But then I think other people

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 1>were doing that. They got wise to it and they'd

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>block it. But it's weird, that's you know, like it

0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't apply to me. I don't think the same.

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, not at all. Watching football at my dad's

0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 2>place in Atlanta, because they don't sell beer on Sundays,

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I always have to remember on Saturday. If I'd like

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to have a drink on Sunday while I watch football,

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 2>make sure to go to the store and get yourself

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a six pack burnette.

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>And do you know how many times I have not

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 2>done that? Elizabeth video Atlanta. They yeah, I know, there

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 2>you go crazy, So you move for a talkback. We

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 2>watched this one day.

0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I most certainly am Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my god. I ll.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, guys, this is Daniel. I have been listening for

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<v Speaker 4>a few months now. Working through the backlog starting from

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning to going to present, and I just got

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<v Speaker 4>to the episode on John Spano Junior Fill up the

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<v Speaker 4>Tub keep for Sutherland, and I was working listening to

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<v Speaker 4>it and literally had to stop what I was doing

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<v Speaker 4>and download the iHeart app so I could send this

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<v Speaker 4>talk back because Elizabeth mentioned Ducane University and I out

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.760
<v Speaker 4>loud said quest though right before Zarin said it. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. We got them got you to get

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I thought it, but I get so

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<v Speaker 1>worried because I say everything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, not everything half the things I say wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got you got company.

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're enjoying totally if you're having a good one

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<v Speaker 2>are Ben. This is why American cops should carry Samurai

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<v Speaker 2>saw arts and Ninja stars instead of guns, Bolin and Noel.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you got my vote? Brown?

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