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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Skyles forber and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Todd's a lucky here with Ruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 2: And gentlemen, how are we doing today? You guys doing good?

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Speaker 1: Wonderfully?

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Speaker 2: I got big news at our house.

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Speaker 3: Are eighteen month old slip through the knife for the

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Speaker 3: first time, like ever, like two nights ago.

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Speaker 1: Shock.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing what a good night's sleep will do to

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Speaker 2: the psyche.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know what I mean. Feeling like

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Speaker 1: a human being right now. I'm like running around there.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so excited, so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's nice. It feels like a win. You know,

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Speaker 1: you need those little wins in life more importantly, But

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Speaker 1: good for Ryant.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right, Yeah, she's she's been taking it out

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Speaker 3: of the chin during the baseball season when I'm gone,

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Speaker 3: uh having my fun lunches on the road and and uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, having my uh cold beer in the in

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Speaker 3: the hotel room, and night.

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Speaker 1: He's up with the kids.

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Speaker 4: So you're your where's your favorite lunch spot on the road?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, that's a great question. My favorite lunch spot

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Speaker 3: on the road. There's a lot of you know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of great spots in Atlanta. There was a place

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Speaker 3: called Flipburger in Atlanta that I used to love going

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Speaker 3: to that. Yeah, flip Burger is some like top chef

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Speaker 3: chef owned. That place just shut down. But Atlanta's got

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Speaker 3: a lot of really kind of quiet, good lunch spots.

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Speaker 3: People kind of don't get excited about going to Atlanta, but.

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Speaker 5: That's one of my favorite spots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big fan of Atlanta South Street. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Buttermilk.

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Speaker 3: Buttermilk Kitchen in Atlanta is a fantas plastic like breakfast

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Speaker 3: lunch spots. So if anybody gets around there, what's your

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Speaker 3: favorite road city?

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Speaker 2: Todd mine.

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Speaker 3: I do love San Francisco and I do love San Diego,

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Speaker 3: but I would say probably San Diego because the weather

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Speaker 3: is always top notch, and you get some good fish tacos.

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Speaker 1: You go to.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what's the name of the place now, I'm

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Speaker 2: drawing a blank, but they.

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Speaker 1: Have these awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's a gaslam district. Yeah, La Porta, La Porta. If

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Speaker 3: you go to San Diego, go to La Porta. Fantastic tacos,

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Speaker 3: Fantastic burritos, burritos as big as your head.

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Speaker 5: They're fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Is that the place with the skull and the bones?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, And they have these celebrity mug shots all the

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Speaker 3: celebrities that have been arrested, They have them all over

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Speaker 5: Very good spot.

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Speaker 2: What about you guys?

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Speaker 1: You got Jim for lunchra City whatever? You know?

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Speaker 4: Atlanta. I love to go to the Varsity. I know

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Speaker 4: Todd would hate. I asked Charles Barkley if you'd been there,

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Speaker 4: and he kind of didn't even know what I was

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Speaker 4: talking about. I think it's near the TBS studios. It's

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Speaker 4: this famous othern drive up car hop where you get chili,

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Speaker 2: Is probably having two hundred dollars steaks.

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Speaker 3: He ain't going to get no Chili Dog in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I love that place. I love, you know,

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Speaker 4: my favorite city, San Francisco. I like San Diego. Like

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Speaker 4: my wife and I always talk about driving up there

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Speaker 4: get the smoke meat sandwiches. We've talked about that before,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Old Montreal is a great spot. There's actually a

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Speaker 5: San Francisco the city itself is kind of gone south lately, but.

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Speaker 1: I've always sort of liked it when I'm like in

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Speaker 1: the different spots, different places to eat. Buckhead When I

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Speaker 1: it's sort of trying to make it come back again.

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Speaker 1: Chicago is always a great city for me too. I

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Speaker 1: and Gibson's is always really you know, one of my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chicago is great, man, Chicago is fantastic. A lot

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Speaker 3: of good towns, a lot of good towns stories.

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Speaker 1: We'll save that for a lots of them.

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Speaker 4: You know what they say about Todd Rubin.

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Speaker 1: What they say about him.

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Speaker 4: Ozzie Nelson at home, Ozzy Osbourne on the road.

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Speaker 1: Is that what they say about me? I wish I

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Speaker 1: knew that. Oh my always the quiet ones, Jim, that

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Speaker 1: I wish that were true. I wish that were true. Guys.

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Speaker 3: The the Phillies are having their organizational meetings this week,

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Speaker 3: and Jim, you and I have written a lot about

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Speaker 3: organizational meetings over the years.

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Speaker 1: The Phillies are meetings.

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Speaker 2: They're down, They're down, in Clearweather, hunkered down in clear Water.

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Speaker 4: But that was when, like when when Ruben was GM,

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Speaker 4: he used to assemble all his lieutenants and then you know,

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Speaker 4: the editor would be saying, hey, what you wrote about those?

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Speaker 4: They have an org meetings, So we're gonna get a

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Speaker 4: story off the org meetings. And like I'm trying, I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to get Ruben on the phone, but he won't

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Speaker 4: return any of my calls.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, you're out, well, Rubin, since you you you

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Speaker 3: obviously ran organizational meetings, what what are they like? So

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Speaker 3: we we know that you guys get everybody together, everybody

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Speaker 1: Do you try to knock out?

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Speaker 3: Like when you leave the organizational meetings? What is the

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Speaker 1: Well, sort of depends on the year and organization meetings.

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Speaker 1: It depends on We have full blown ones where we

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Speaker 1: We set different you know, we we had different meetings,

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Speaker 1: different satellite meetings based on you know, all information, whether

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Speaker 1: different people. We've had some fun ones where we just uh,

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Speaker 5: We got to do something about our hitting. There's what.

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Speaker 1: And so we brought down Mike Schmidt and Gary Matthews

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Speaker 1: and I said, guys, get drunk, and let's go talk

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Speaker 1: a really really cool to listen to Schmidty and different

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Speaker 1: Then we had a lot of that stuff recorded. I

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Speaker 1: actually have a ton of CDs recorded from one of

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Speaker 1: then we did smaller meetings and and I think this

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Speaker 1: And obviously you want to sort of set the someone

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Speaker 5: Where you say, okay, we have you know, what are

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Speaker 1: Is he not going to help us? What's his status?

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Speaker 1: Do we keep them, do we bag them? Do we

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Speaker 1: think about moving them? You have all those types of discussions,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, I think Uh. You know the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing that Pat Gillik needs to tell us all

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Speaker 1: the time, and I try to start out the meeting

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Speaker 1: is that you know, you guys are all paid for

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Speaker 1: your opinions, whether you're a hitting guy and you have

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Speaker 1: a discussion, we have a discussion about a pitcher or

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Speaker 1: vice versa. I think it's important for guys to give

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Speaker 1: their perspective because everybody's got a little bit of.

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Speaker 5: Different idea or perspective and what.

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Speaker 1: They think the value of a player is. And so

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Speaker 1: it's all about opinions and how the guy fits and

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Speaker 1: then you try to target them and move forward.

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Speaker 4: You hear that expression a lot in baseball stay in

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Speaker 4: your lane, but under Pat Gillick, he encouraged you to

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Speaker 4: get out of your lane for your opinion because that

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Speaker 4: could stimulate, you know, creativity, which I think showed how

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Speaker 3: I think you would be nice, Yeah, I think you

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Speaker 3: I don't care what you think, I don't care what

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Speaker 1: I love the guys. You are absolutely unequivocally correct. And

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Speaker 2: All right, so if you guys could be a fly.

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Speaker 2: In the Phillies boardroom.

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Speaker 1: Jim, what would be the.

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Speaker 3: Plan the one area on this team? You would just

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Speaker 5: What would it be for you?

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Speaker 4: And another big one for me would be Hoffman or Estevez.

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Speaker 3: actually stay healthy? Garrett Stubbs, you know he does have

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Speaker 3: an option, so they could they could start him in

440
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Speaker 3: Triple A. You know he's arbitration eligible. So do you

441
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Speaker 3: think you have the answers internally if not externally? How

442
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Speaker 3: do you go how do you feel that that role Externally?

443
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: There's some decent free agent catchers out there, would they

444
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Speaker 3: be willing to accept the backup role to JT? So

445
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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see how that that that play

446
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Speaker 3: is going for because you know, he's he's making a

447
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Speaker 3: lot of money and so he's gonna want to play.

448
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Speaker 3: It's the last year of his contract, so he's gonna

449
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Speaker 3: want to have good numbers because I know he's probably

450
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Speaker 3: gonna want another multi year deal.

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Speaker 2: So Howard exactly are they going to attack that?

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Speaker 1: What about you? Rub? Yeah, it gets a tough little

453
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Speaker 1: needle thread there. But I believe in Marshawn as a

454
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Speaker 1: as as an athlete. I think he's outstanding. I think

455
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Speaker 1: he'd be an every day catcher if he was durable enough.

456
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Speaker 1: But he's not. He hasn't improven that so interesting, interesting call. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: I'm always about the pitching depth in this day and age.

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, all you got to do is watch what's

459
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Speaker 1: going on here in the playoffs and see that there's

460
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Speaker 1: just not enough starting pitching that that that can go

461
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Speaker 1: deep into a game or at least save bullpens. And

462
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Speaker 1: I just don't know how they're gonna go about creating

463
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Speaker 1: more starting pitching depth because they basically have their big

464
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Speaker 1: four under control. I mean, you've got Suarez, You've got

465
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Speaker 1: Sanchez under control, you got Nola and Wheeler. Beyond that,

466
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Speaker 1: who's going to take the brunt of the rest of

467
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Speaker 1: the you know, the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth

468
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Speaker 1: guys in the rotation? And how are they going to

469
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Speaker 1: build that moving forward? Do you look at guys who

470
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Speaker 1: are going to be what they call twenty D free agents,

471
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Speaker 1: which guys I mean to me, I mean there's a

472
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Speaker 1: selling point. If I am the organization, I can say, hey,

473
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Speaker 1: it's wide open. There's a fifth spot that's wide open.

474
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Speaker 1: Somebody can go down that could create a sixth spot.

475
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's whole types of stuff that you could

476
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Speaker 1: sell on certain free agents and how they're going to

477
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Speaker 1: attack that. And I'm also fly on the wall as

478
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Speaker 1: far as what they're really thinking on Painter, like how

479
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Speaker 1: they want to handle Do they want to start him

480
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Speaker 1: in the big leagues if he does throw very very

481
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Speaker 1: well in spring training? Do they want to monitor the innings?

482
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're going to consider that. How are they

483
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Speaker 1: going to go about that? Is Mick Abel able to

484
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Speaker 1: take some steps forward? Is he in real candidate? Is

485
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Speaker 1: he a guy that you would trade because he's got

486
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Speaker 1: such a good arm and you can't wait for him?

487
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Speaker 1: How long are you going to wait for him to

488
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Speaker 1: sort of come around and be able to command the

489
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Speaker 1: strike zone and do the things that are necessary to

490
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Speaker 1: be a major league quality pitcher. How are they attacking

491
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Speaker 1: all this? How are they formulating? Are there are other

492
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Speaker 1: guys in their system? And I don't know their whole system,

493
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Speaker 1: but if there's other guys in their system that they

494
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: can say, you know what, you know, this guy can

495
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Speaker 1: help us in the big leagues pretty quickly, or right,

496
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Speaker 1: is the Ryan Kirkering type of a guy who has

497
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Speaker 1: the cohonus and has the guts to be able to

498
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Speaker 1: step forward. Are there any of those kind of guys

499
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Speaker 1: that are sort of in the making in their system

500
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Speaker 1: that they can, you know, see during spring training and

501
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Speaker 1: invite them to camp even though they may not be

502
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Speaker 1: on the forty man roster yet. I think it's always

503
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Speaker 1: to me, it's always a fascinating part of and something

504
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: that's really been lacking over the last several years is

505
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Speaker 1: starting pitching depth. And starting pitching depth is killing a

506
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Speaker 1: lot of these teams in the playoffs. And I mean,

507
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: you see these eight pitcher pitching in a game. It's ridiculous,

508
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: and I just feel like it's so important. I'm also

509
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Speaker 1: curious as to whether or not, as an industry, not

510
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Speaker 1: just an industry, as an organization, how they're handling being

511
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Speaker 1: able to cover innings as a starting pitcher. Are they

512
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Speaker 1: really truly going to be building starting pitchers or are

513
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Speaker 1: they going to be building multiple multiple pitchers you can

514
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Speaker 1: pitch multiple multiple innings. I don't know what's happened in

515
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Speaker 1: the industry as far as the starting pitching is concerned,

516
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Speaker 1: but I do know that they've shortened it. And you

517
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Speaker 1: know when a guy comes out of a game aim

518
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Speaker 1: after throwing four innings in a playoff game and he's

519
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: ecstatic about it, I mean, I just have a very

520
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: very difficult time understanding how that how that's a good thing.

521
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's good for him, but I just feel like,

522
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Speaker 1: my goodness, gracious, this is just not the baseball that

523
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: I grew up with.

524
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Speaker 5: I don't understand it. I don't get it.

525
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Speaker 1: It's it's just amazing. And you saw it happen with

526
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Speaker 1: the Mets. They just didn't have enough. They just didn't

527
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Speaker 1: have enough. And you know, God bless him that they did,

528
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: they did so well. But every single team should be

529
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Speaker 1: really rethinking what they're going to do with the pitching

530
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Speaker 1: because it's just not right. Do you think the Phillies

531
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Speaker 1: is it?

532
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Speaker 2: Does it make any sense for the Phillies just.

533
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Speaker 3: To go out and find a full time number five

534
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: started knowing that painters coming down the line?

535
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Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay?

536
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Speaker 3: So in other words, is there a scout in these

537
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Speaker 3: meetings or is there's somebody in the front office in

538
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: these meetings going screw finding a stop gap. I don't

539
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: want to find the next Spencer Turnbull, you know, to

540
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: to give me starting pitching depth. Why not take a

541
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Speaker 3: run at I'm just gonna throw a Max Freed or

542
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Speaker 3: somebody like that. I mean, that's probably out of their

543
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: price range. But what screw filling around the pieces.

544
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Speaker 1: Let's let's go large.

545
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Speaker 2: Let's go all in on starting pitching.

546
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Speaker 1: Let's go twenty eleven.

547
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Phillies and just load up and have five studs, assuming

548
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: rangers healthy and productive, and let's just run the crap

549
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: out of these starting pitchers, and let's let's go full

550
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Speaker 3: bore on That is that if I brought that up

551
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: in these ORG meetings, you think, I don't think I

552
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Speaker 3: would get laughed out of the room.

553
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know what a little not

554
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Speaker 1: even a little bit for me. I mean, unless you

555
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: can never have enough starting pitching it and I would

556
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Speaker 1: put my research started pitching. I really That's.

557
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Speaker 4: Why I'm curious to see, Like, like tonight, I'm gonna

558
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna drive down Patterson AB with my binoculars. I'm

559
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 4: gonna see if I'm gonna see if Garrett Crouchet's name

560
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 4: is on a whiteboard. They were in it in July,

561
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Speaker 4: why not be in it again?

562
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know me.

563
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a little often, but that Jordan Montgomery, right,

564
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Speaker 4: I mean, the he's owned like twenty three million bucks

565
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 4: I think twenty two and a half. The Diamondbacks want

566
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Speaker 4: to get rid of him. Is there a way you

567
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: can try to wash some money and send somebody over

568
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: there and bring him back here that way for a

569
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Speaker 4: fresh start and get him a real spring training and

570
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: see if you know, maybe you get something something there.

571
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Speaker 4: I think those are the creative things you might have

572
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Speaker 4: to think about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's things that they should think about.

574
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Speaker 1: I just I just feel like, and I know that

575
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Speaker 1: there's no guarantees with with starting pitching as far as

576
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Speaker 1: health and stuff like that, but just give me a

577
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Speaker 1: guy who I think can eat up somewhere between one

578
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one and eighty ins. Can I have

579
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Speaker 1: that guy? Because because that guy, the domino effect that

580
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: it creates is so fast, and how people get to

581
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Speaker 1: get away from that that I mean, it allows you know,

582
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Speaker 1: your your bullpen to get better rested, and it allows

583
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Speaker 1: them to you know, pitch in the right spots. There's

584
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: so many different things. When you have to start covering

585
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of innings with bullpen guys,

586
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: you just don't Most teams just don't have that the

587
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: level of depth that's necessary, quality depth that's necessary. I mean,

588
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: you know the mester philm Maton out there, dude, come on, yeah,

589
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean philm Maton may not be on a major

590
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: league roster next year. I don't know.

591
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Speaker 4: Can I go back to the catching thing, which, because

592
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Speaker 4: I agree with Todd, it's we'd love to hear what

593
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: their what their plan is, and it's super important to

594
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Speaker 4: protect JT and march Han's out of options. He's got

595
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Speaker 4: to be here. You said, Stubbs has an option.

596
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Speaker 1: He has an option.

597
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't have enough service time to refuse the assignments,

598
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: so he so he's our eligible, but he has an

599
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Speaker 3: option remaining. So that's kind of a fascinating That is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: And then and they you know, it.

601
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Speaker 4: Would take a ballsy move to set to send him out.

602
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: But the reason I bring it up is with mar

603
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: Shawn's health history, if he's your number two guy next year,

604
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: because he has to be because of the option thing,

605
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: the number with his health history, the number three catcher

606
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Speaker 4: in this organization, on this team, whatever you want to

607
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: call it, becomes huge.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get large. I'll tell you a story about that

609
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Speaker 1: about options. You guys remember Prince, the catcher for the

610
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Speaker 1: Pirates for a long time. I can't remember Tom Prince.

611
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: So we signed him to a two year deal years ago.

612
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Speaker 1: He gets hurt, hurts his wrist in spring training. I think,

613
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: can't play. Gary Bennett makes the team, does a great

614
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Speaker 1: job as a backup, really really super job behind liberthought

615
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: the very next year conference is still rehabbing and coming back.

616
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Speaker 1: Gary Bennett has another option. We had to send Gary

617
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Speaker 1: Bennett back because we had to be selfish. Was it

618
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: right for him and his and his development, for his

619
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Speaker 1: future and for his pocketbook and his m all service

620
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Speaker 1: time and all that stuff.

621
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Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.

622
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Speaker 1: And he was a close friend of mine, but we

623
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Speaker 1: had to send him back. So we send him back.

624
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Speaker 1: So Tom, because Tom Prince, because we wanted to. We

625
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: want to keep all your assets. And I remember that

626
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: in the meeting us talking about that, and I remember

627
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: John Bokovich himself just saying, listen, sometimes we have to

628
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: be selfish as an organization. We have a control of

629
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Speaker 1: a player. He may deserve to be in the big

630
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: leagues with our team, we're not carrying three tetchers. We

631
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: got to send one of them back so that if

632
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: Tom Prince gets hurt or something happens to him where

633
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: he's super ineffective, then we can bring Ben Gary Bennett back.

634
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: We still don't lose We don't lose him. We keep him,

635
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: and then no reason for us to release Tom Prince

636
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: because then we didn't have anybody else beyond that. So

637
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: you're right about that, Jim. Catching depth is pretty important

638
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: as well. It's like having a quarterback. Your second guy

639
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: better be pretty decent. Your third guy better be pretty

640
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: decent because your team's done otherwise. And so so I

641
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: think the catching thing is a real question and whether

642
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: or not they feel that the guy like Marshawn can

643
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: be the guy. Physically he can't, I mean, excuse me,

644
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: talent wise, he can good switch hitter, handles catching well,

645
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: good receiver, throws well, does a lot of those things well,

646
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: but can't stay on the field right.

647
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: And then plus with them pushing up against that third

648
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: luxury tax, they would give you some cost certainty. If

649
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: you're going to try to if you need to upgrade

650
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: and left field center field rotation, you're gonna need to

651
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: sign at least another reliever or two.

652
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: So you know you got to take some money. Man.

653
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that man, that's interesting.

654
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if I'm I know Steby's not gonna

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with, then I'm letting Marshaan be our backup

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Speaker 1: and I'm sending get Stubbs out right. I mean, in

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Speaker 1: a perfect, perfect world, it's not the greatest thing for Stubby,

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Speaker 1: but I think you got to keep your assets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're back, Rubin.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about starting pitchers and going deep into games,

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Speaker 3: and then you're watching the Dodgers win Game six of

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Speaker 3: the NLCS.

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Speaker 1: I think what they use like seven relievers in Game six.

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Speaker 1: But the Dodgers and.

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Speaker 3: The Yankees are facing off in the World Series, and

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Speaker 3: anybody listening to the show, of course, would have much

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Speaker 3: preferred a Phillies Yankees matchup in the World Series. But

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Speaker 3: Dodgers Yankees it is pretty compelling. It is pretty compelling.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because it's gonna be great theater. You got

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Speaker 3: show a Mookie, Judge Soto, Freddie Freeman. You've got a

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Speaker 3: lot of superstar superstars in this World series, you guys MVPs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean five of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get five MVPs.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the only time this This will be

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Speaker 3: the only time you'll have five former mv in one

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Speaker 3: World series.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think it's uh.

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Speaker 3: I saw this on MLB dot com story. Only once

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Speaker 3: in the past thirty five years have two future MVPs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I assume Judge and Otani are gonna be

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Speaker 3: MVP in their.

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Speaker 1: Respective no doubt.

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Speaker 3: The only other time that's happened in the last thirty

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Speaker 3: five years was Buster Posey Miguel Cabrera in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty that's pretty cool. And it's also the top

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Speaker 3: two teams in each league. It's only the thirteenth time

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Speaker 3: since nineteen sixty nine that the top two teams in

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Speaker 3: each league in terms of record have faced each other

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Speaker 3: in the World Series, first time since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: You guys, look are you?

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Speaker 2: Have you guys been watching the postseason? You guys looking

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Speaker 2: forward to this World Series? I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be fun.

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Speaker 5: I've been watching the I've been watching the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I've been I've been flipping back and forth between Bobby

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Speaker 4: Flay and the world and the.

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Speaker 1: We know what you are?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I got to make some some beat

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Speaker 4: Bobby Flay in there. But uh, I mean that that

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Speaker 4: whole run on Sodo hit what one of that bad?

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Speaker 4: He look so confident, like he's almost being cocky up there,

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Speaker 4: Like I got you.

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Speaker 1: It's just a.

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Speaker 4: Matter of he put boy, what kind of pressure does that?

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Speaker 4: Not that the Yankees can't afford him, and they, you know,

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Speaker 4: but they do have. Like you hear a lot about

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Speaker 4: the Yankees having a you know, finally having a budget whatnot,

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Speaker 4: But that puts enormous pressure on them to retain him,

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Speaker 4: especially with the with the Mets across town ready with

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Speaker 4: the big check book. It's gonna be a fascinating kind

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Speaker 4: of joust for one Soto.

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Speaker 1: That sure is. And listen, I'll say the same thing

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Speaker 1: I said on MLB Network about Judge and the Yankees

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Speaker 1: when they were going through that whole rigamarole. They have

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Speaker 1: to sign him, they have to sign him. It's the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: Sign the dude.

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Speaker 4: No no limit, no limit on number.

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Speaker 1: One limit, just sign It's not my money.

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Speaker 3: Every home run that guy hits in the postseason and

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Speaker 3: they're like, dude, add another.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a seven hundred million dollar deal

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Speaker 1: or a six hundred million dollar deal. You're gonna pay it,

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Speaker 1: pay it, and you have the player. Right, you don't

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Speaker 1: pay it, you don't have the player because the people

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Speaker 1: are going to pay it. And I mean, he's perfect

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Speaker 1: for that team, dude. He's got the two best left

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Speaker 1: handed and right handed hitters in that league. You have

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Speaker 1: to have them on their team. It's the Yankees. You

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Speaker 1: act like the Yankees when you're the Yankees, just like

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Speaker 1: you act like the Dodgers when you're the Dodgers. Right,

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Speaker 1: But I think the I let him go?

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman wouldn't let him go?

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Speaker 4: You said the Yankees act like the Yankees. I think

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Speaker 4: the Mets have more ability to act like the Yankees

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Speaker 4: and the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: You gotta sign him on.

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Speaker 1: You gotta sign him, got it. It'll be embarrassing to them.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious, No, I agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see how you let the guy go,

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Speaker 3: especially if they go off and they win this World Series.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you let it. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how you let soda go.

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Speaker 1: To the Mets or he somewhere sing strip in those

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Speaker 1: Yankee pin stripes.

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Speaker 4: Dude, Scott Boris has drool coming out of mind.

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Speaker 1: Ah please, he's threatting around his house right now. Come on,

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Speaker 1: he's walking like me after a full night of sleep.

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Speaker 1: He's he's pimping. He's pimping.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I mean, what a great What do

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Speaker 3: you think those meetings are like when you're walking around

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Speaker 3: the Scott Boris office going, oh.

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Speaker 1: My god, I watched my game falling over the wall

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Speaker 1: and whoa, he's throwing a party.

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Speaker 4: But I mean it's great.

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Speaker 9: It is great for base You know, this is the

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Speaker 9: five five of the best, top like twelve ten players

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Speaker 9: in all of baseball or assembled in the same and

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Speaker 9: the same series.

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Speaker 1: Dude, come on, Rookie Friedman, I mean you start thinking

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Speaker 1: about the actual talent and how good these guys, dude players.

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Speaker 1: There's Hall of Famers there, Yeah, there's hall. There's almost

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Speaker 1: guaranteed Hall of famers, like five of them there at least,

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Speaker 1: and and it's and yeah, I think it's a great theater.

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Speaker 4: And yet what makes baseball great is Tommy Edmund drives

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Speaker 4: in eleven runs boom and a role player drives in

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Speaker 4: eleven runs in the LCS to you know, elevate them.

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Speaker 4: And there some of their unknown relievers pit really well.

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Speaker 4: But Tommy Edmund me know, late, you know what a

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Speaker 4: trade deadline pick up, I mean, just shows the importance

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Speaker 4: of the trade deadline, shows the importance of the around

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Speaker 4: the Edges players. It's been really cool, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: And I remember talking to Andrew Friedman about him when

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Speaker 1: all those guys were on the d L. We were

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Speaker 1: out there in Los Angeles. All those guys were on

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Speaker 1: the d L. They had mcguil, Rojas on the d L,

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Speaker 1: they had Mookie on the d L. They didn't have

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Speaker 1: a shortstop, so they just started collecting shortstops. Nikam and

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Speaker 1: a med Rosario and Tommy Edmund and they were like,

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Speaker 1: and I remember Andrew going, it's gonna get really uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: when these guys are all all healthy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with all of them. And he

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Speaker 1: basically had to release a bunch of them, pick the

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Speaker 1: right thing, cap the right guy. And Tommy Edmund is

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Speaker 1: a player man, He's versatile. Yeah, he can run. But

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Speaker 1: he can do different things. You can play center, second, short,

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Speaker 1: you can play all through the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: can't catch.

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Speaker 10: But he can do all the other things. And uh,

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Speaker 10: boy did he come up big. He was hitting in

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Speaker 10: the four hole on a team that has Crazy Otani,

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Speaker 10: Will Smith, to Oscar Hernandez, uh, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and he's hitting in the four hole.

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Speaker 4: Because he makes contact boom. He's not a good run boom.

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Speaker 1: He would be a.

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Speaker 3: Perfect player for the fight in films. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well it'd be. It's gonna be a great World Series.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Otani does. The star power of him alone

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Speaker 3: is just it's great to see him not only get

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Speaker 3: to the postseason, but in his you know, get to

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Speaker 3: the get to the world's So good times, good times

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Speaker 3: to be fun. We'll be back later this week with

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Speaker 3: more on the Phillies and baseball guys. That was that

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Speaker 3: was enjoyable. I learned a little bit about the Orc

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Speaker 3: meetings and uh and there rolling a.

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Speaker 4: Cooler of beer and say get drunk that right?

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Speaker 2: Wait, now, wait a second, do you have that?

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Speaker 3: You said you have some of those conversations on on DVD,

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Speaker 3: so like I have all of them.

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Speaker 2: Never ask a Navy man if I'll have another drink.

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Speaker 1: Remember the line from Caddy Shack. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of that stuff, my man, Kevin Camasoli filmed at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's great stuff to have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is that's.

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Speaker 1: To get look at it. I don't even I mean

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Speaker 1: there's hundreds of hours of got some scout telling Ruben

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Speaker 1: off at the.

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Speaker 3: Ende of me.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I've always wanted to say.

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Speaker 1: His head, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys, we'll smell you later, smell you latter,

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Speaker 4: smell it.

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