Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and it is time for another edition
Speaker 1: of Mick Shots on a Thursday afternoon as the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We heard from the coordinators today and Mickey Spagnola has
Speaker 1: just returned from an exclusive sit down with the man
Speaker 1: at the top of the coaching staff. Hot off the press, Baby,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to hear what Mickey has to say.
Speaker 1: It was sort of like a fireside chat, just so
Speaker 1: intimate session with the head coach with about I don't
Speaker 1: know fourteen fourteen of the guys that cover the team
Speaker 1: as writers fourteen. It's not very exclusive then, well, ye
Speaker 1: kind of crowded that. It sound like one on one right,
Speaker 1: Oh oh, not like you and Jerry. Not like you
Speaker 1: and Jerry, Mickey will Mickey will get his one on
Speaker 1: one with the coach, just like he got his one
Speaker 1: on one last week with the coach. That's right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: have you paid your fine yet? I have to address
Speaker 1: that with him. Yet we're gonna hear about it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do that. We're gonna work on a reduction. So
Speaker 1: we were he was He used the Well, what we
Speaker 1: had done with the pregame show was the first segment
Speaker 1: would be with the head coach right on the floor
Speaker 1: of the game. He didn't want to do it live,
Speaker 1: so we had to record it near the locker room
Speaker 1: about a half hour before we started. I don't blame
Speaker 1: show too, I'd want to take it to right. And
Speaker 1: uh so we're in the middle of our little one
Speaker 1: on one and my phone rings, wow, and he goes
Speaker 1: a typical rookie move and he goes, that's sixteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: It was great because he didn't miss a beat. He
Speaker 1: was just answering the question and phone ring he answered
Speaker 1: the question right. You talked about literally not missing a beat.
Speaker 1: That's the way James Brown used to do his band
Speaker 1: members right. He would stay on beat and tell him
Speaker 1: got you right, that's where he got you. So he
Speaker 1: got me. So we had the session recorded right and
Speaker 1: then so we played it later in the in the
Speaker 1: pregame show and we got the phone to go right
Speaker 1: and everybody got a good laugh. Out of it. So
Speaker 1: when we came back for the next segment, I had
Speaker 1: my wallet out and I said, Okay, I'm gonna start paying.
Speaker 1: I got a little money left over from the training
Speaker 1: camp now from the lawsuit from when you got hit
Speaker 1: on your bike. Yeah right, so yeah, so so you
Speaker 1: made your you made sure the phone was silenced before
Speaker 1: this quote unquote exclusively still as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: and I think I even you might have missed a
Speaker 1: few I all turned out the off the vibration too,
Speaker 1: might have missed a few calls do the right thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so lemonades involved. Yeah, so anyway, but no, he was
Speaker 1: you know what he did this last year right after
Speaker 1: he got the job. He got it was like two
Speaker 1: weeks later, and then COVID theirs, and then it was
Speaker 1: before COVID hit and he just kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: get to know the guys that he was going to
Speaker 1: be dealing with. So we all went up there and
Speaker 1: everybody introduced themselves. Hi, um, you know, and how long
Speaker 1: you covered the team? And of course you know, they
Speaker 1: went around the room, yes, one by one, and you know,
Speaker 1: it got to me and I go, well, I've been
Speaker 1: here forever, you know whatever, And that was the last interaction.
Speaker 1: So this would have been the second or third week
Speaker 1: in January. That would have been the last interaction we had.
Speaker 1: I had with him in person, in person until two
Speaker 1: or three days before now. It would have been the
Speaker 1: day before Thanksgiving when Marcus Paul passed away and he
Speaker 1: happened to be in our end of the building and
Speaker 1: we ran into each other. He was going to rich
Speaker 1: Dalrymple's office, and it was like, I thought I'd go
Speaker 1: through the whole season without ever bumping into you again,
Speaker 1: and that was the only time. So he decided, I
Speaker 1: guess to do it again this year. And you know,
Speaker 1: just like Jason Garrett, you know, these coaches have an
Speaker 1: image when they're in front of the camera and an
Speaker 1: image they think they need to portray. And then when
Speaker 1: you get him in a setting like that, he's just
Speaker 1: a normal guy. He's just he talked about his family,
Speaker 1: the kids starting school today, and you know, because he's
Speaker 1: got everybody back together now because last year they didn't,
Speaker 1: they didn't move down because they were in the middle
Speaker 1: of the school season. Wow, it's no different than at
Speaker 1: training camp in Austin when Jimmy would go across the
Speaker 1: street right you know or that time, and I think
Speaker 1: it was so it had been Jimmy. And we got
Speaker 1: to know him because we got to go into his
Speaker 1: office the three Beat writers, right, and just that was
Speaker 1: our one session a week. So we got to know him.
Speaker 1: And I knew him when he was at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: But in ninety three, so his guys left, wants dat
Speaker 1: got the head coaching job with the Bears, Tony Wise
Speaker 1: went with him. Those were his guys, right, He'd go
Speaker 1: out and they'd have Heinekens and whatever. So he had rich.
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, we need to get together
Speaker 1: with the guys, get about a hit or ten of him.
Speaker 1: So he got a bunch of us and we went
Speaker 1: to one of the Mexican restaurants right across the street
Speaker 1: from No No. This one was the one closer downtown.
Speaker 1: It was a high rise Mexican restaurant, like two floors, right, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're in this we're on this big table and
Speaker 1: he just wants to, you know, shoot the s and
Speaker 1: uh the Mariachi band's plan and we can't hear each other, right,
Speaker 1: So Jimmy goes, wait a minute, wait, let me take
Speaker 1: care of this. So he goes up to the Mariachi band,
Speaker 1: hands him one hundred dollar bill and says, just just
Speaker 1: don't don't play for an hour, paying you not. And
Speaker 1: they did and they listed and then you know, we
Speaker 1: shot the Breeze with him and yeah, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the Jimmy, you know. But he would do that
Speaker 1: also that like like on a rig on a normal
Speaker 1: Tuesday at training camp, the team is eating dinner or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they're going into meetings and Jimmy would go across
Speaker 1: the street, um there were there was a Mexican food
Speaker 1: restaurant or something talk and yeah, and he just you know,
Speaker 1: kind of gets for an hour or so, and you know,
Speaker 1: and but but the point is, if these writers are
Speaker 1: going to be the ones who are critiquing you and
Speaker 1: critical and they're a lot less critical of you if
Speaker 1: you befriend them. Is this the previous of every NFL coach,
Speaker 1: just the ones that come to Dallas. Didn't McCarthy do
Speaker 1: this when he was in Green Bay? I don't know that,
Speaker 1: but I was told, like in that January meeting last year,
Speaker 1: he was he was just a guy. He was a
Speaker 1: guy from Pittsburgh, right, And afterwards somebody's asked me how
Speaker 1: how did it go? And I had said, this was
Speaker 1: really good. I said, you know, he's very forthcoming and
Speaker 1: and he's and it was one of the PR guys
Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, I talked to somebody in Green
Speaker 1: Bay and he goes, you know, once the season starts,
Speaker 1: he ain't changes. That's right, that's that's you know there.
Speaker 1: It's not their obligation to tell us everything. Right. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you just talked about the different presonas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he just has to carry on that persona with
Speaker 1: you guys, because he wants to keep you at Bay
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I'm sure that doesn't work all
Speaker 1: the time. He wants he has to come out, come
Speaker 1: on a certain way with his players. It's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. You can be nice to him all
Speaker 1: you want, but then there's gonna be times when you
Speaker 1: gotta make that speech, right, you know, like the speech
Speaker 1: he made in training camp. There are times when all
Speaker 1: bs aside, you know, none of this on the on
Speaker 1: the film, none of this, these hand games and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. I have something serious to share with you.
Speaker 1: And by the way they dogged him on his uh
Speaker 1: Austin power of speeches. Yeah, I like the speech. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like good, I like the mojo. Yeah, they would
Speaker 1: dogging the nationwide about having your mojo. To me, that
Speaker 1: was all he was showing that, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: understand that when we get this turnover, there's a chance
Speaker 1: for momentum, so we need to have a sense of urgency. Basically,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. He was telling them that they
Speaker 1: had to have a sense of urgency, and he had
Speaker 1: a fun way to do it, and and and the
Speaker 1: thing that I think he recognizes and and Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: recognized the same thing is you have to do things
Speaker 1: to get your player's attention because meetings after you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like, we can't listen to this game, so
Speaker 1: you got to do something to grab their attention right
Speaker 1: off the start. You know. We we spoke with John
Speaker 1: Fossil today, one of the coordinators, and of course they
Speaker 1: asked him about hard knocks and the vast second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody waited to the end and they asked him
Speaker 1: about it and he and he told basically an interesting story.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, we had a forty five minute
Speaker 1: meeting and it was the rookies, and he said, we
Speaker 1: never talked about football. He said, We just talked about life,
Speaker 1: and I had guys tell me stories about themselves that
Speaker 1: I would have never known. And he said, one thing
Speaker 1: led to another and they knew something. I said something
Speaker 1: about my how I had my third child, and he goes,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we got on to that subject
Speaker 1: and those guys started asking questions because they don't know
Speaker 1: anything about That reminds you how young these guys are, right.
Speaker 1: I guess we were all young that time. And he
Speaker 1: reminds you that he's just like his dad, by the way.
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, his dad would come with silly stories.
Speaker 1: And he said, he said, so they got into the
Speaker 1: deal and he started answering questions and then he realized,
Speaker 1: you know, hard knocks his role in here. And so
Speaker 1: they came to him and said, hey, coaches, this is okay, right,
Speaker 1: and he said, I'll check out that. So he said
Speaker 1: he talked to his wife, right and and I guess
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, we've been through this before
Speaker 1: and you've talked about it. She goes, we're an open book.
Speaker 1: Go with it right. Let him let him know it's
Speaker 1: already been made public. Anyway. I'm sure they've done they
Speaker 1: had done previous interviews about it a made statement, So
Speaker 1: that was that was sort of his way to get
Speaker 1: those guys intention to listen to him. So maybe the
Speaker 1: next meeting they're gonna talk football, but they're going okay,
Speaker 1: coaches kind of like us. He's just human, right, and
Speaker 1: and I think that the head coaches have to work
Speaker 1: hard on that. You know, think about Rod Miranelli, you
Speaker 1: know Marinelli, his defensive meetings. To get those guys attention,
Speaker 1: he would have the people in our TV department put
Speaker 1: together a presentation and it might be a wildlife presentation
Speaker 1: of lions in the wild and eating whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: and and attacking other animals just to get their attention. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a common thing that among coaches they do.
Speaker 1: In fact, McCarthy does the same thing. And that's what
Speaker 1: he's going you're talking about, Tom Ladie didn't do that.
Speaker 1: He didn't know anything about our feelings, right, He didn't
Speaker 1: tell us about his persecondy Gene Starlin's Allie did was
Speaker 1: just cuss you out all the time if you pissed
Speaker 1: him off, because it chapped his ass. That's it was
Speaker 1: his favorite term. It just chapps my head. Well, y'all
Speaker 1: could practice longer back. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, they get that.
Speaker 1: They get us a favorite, right, you didn't have a
Speaker 1: shot clock, right, yeah, you know. And and so before
Speaker 1: the before the draft, I needed to do a one
Speaker 1: on one with him for the draft party. Right. But
Speaker 1: they were they were busy putting together their presentation to
Speaker 1: the team, right because they that after the draft, they
Speaker 1: had needed to have their meeting, and they were working
Speaker 1: on what they were going to do. And it was
Speaker 1: some wild stuff too, but it was sort of like
Speaker 1: you know what you just said about how he got
Speaker 1: the attention of those guys with the mojo movement, you know,
Speaker 1: just to get these young guys attention, Jason used to
Speaker 1: work on that hard. Uh. And he said, one of
Speaker 1: the things they've done, this is new stuff they had,
Speaker 1: like I've never they would have a brotherhood, a brotherhood dada,
Speaker 1: and everybody would get up and tell a story about
Speaker 1: themselves that no one would know. Jason used to do
Speaker 1: that when he had that high school, uh, the the
Speaker 1: high school Quarterback Quarterback Youth where they'd bring in kids
Speaker 1: from underserved schools and he had the players, like six
Speaker 1: or seven of them get up there and tell their
Speaker 1: story how they got to the NFL and it to
Speaker 1: these young kids, it made it real because they're thinking,
Speaker 1: that guy's kind of like what I am right now?
Speaker 1: And he got here right and there were some amazing
Speaker 1: stories that we didn't know about people. And so again,
Speaker 1: you've got to be in command. You're the guy in charge.
Speaker 1: You might have to fire somebody, right, but you got
Speaker 1: to have them know you're human. I'm trying to picture
Speaker 1: Belichick of our it SA doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I just can't see that man. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: I love it. You know what he might have changed
Speaker 1: because the time's changed because the kids are just saying
Speaker 1: that does say that's what that was? Who was that?
Speaker 1: Saban does it? Yeah? Really yeah? And Saban does that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And he has a lot of guests speakers.
Speaker 1: He's connected to old school coaches. Yeah yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of the stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: especially guest speakers like he had Ernie Johnson. It went
Speaker 1: viral just recently. Ernie Johnson from T and T went
Speaker 1: and talked to their team. He was it was great man.
Speaker 1: You can find that so cool, find that on social media.
Speaker 1: It's a five minute talk that they've edited it down
Speaker 1: and it is really inspiring. But and then I can't
Speaker 1: remember he had someone else come in this week, I
Speaker 1: mean in their preseason workouts and stuff, and the only
Speaker 1: it just kind of breaks it up and you're not
Speaker 1: hearing the same voice all the time. The only thing
Speaker 1: that Tim Andrew did to change it up, think it
Speaker 1: was you weren't even there yet. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: around nineteen eighty three or four. Yeah, he brings in
Speaker 1: an aerobics teacher in mini camp and instead of us
Speaker 1: going through that boiling three day well we called the
Speaker 1: mini camp at that time. Now it's it's OTAs and
Speaker 1: they do yoga. Now, yeah they did, but this was
Speaker 1: this was when they looked like Jane Fonder, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: the stuff. Also, this is how far back we're talking.
Speaker 1: They brought out a huge stage on the practice field,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're out there acting silly. You know,
Speaker 1: we're glad we're not going to practice. So they started
Speaker 1: doing the dancing, the cute little girls and so guys
Speaker 1: start floating and they started acting silly. Those gus went
Speaker 1: on for an hour and a half. Really, it wasn't
Speaker 1: funny after like the thirty minutes funny, no more so
Speaker 1: Tom was over there. You know, he's just watching and
Speaker 1: he didn't like how we were making those remarks early on.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden was about and I
Speaker 1: was gone. We were like, hey, man, I'm done. We
Speaker 1: can't even get up off off the ground. We can't
Speaker 1: get off the grass. And these girls are still blowing.
Speaker 1: They're just out there just bouncing around, and it's hot
Speaker 1: as hell outside and they are moving and for I
Speaker 1: wur to have the last thirty minutes, no one, I
Speaker 1: think all of us were just laying flat on the grass.
Speaker 1: That was the only breakup of in monotony. So it's
Speaker 1: not about it wasn't about what we were about. You know,
Speaker 1: at that time, no coaches wanted to know your feelings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so I just I, you know, I greet
Speaker 1: this change. I liked this change. I welcome it. I
Speaker 1: think it's neither, you know, back on the Mojoe moment.
Speaker 1: I liked the Mojoe moment in the practice though, because
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think think back at last season,
Speaker 1: especially early in the season, how many momentum change moments came,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of what they're getting at is Okay,
Speaker 1: they're they're off doing individual drills or whatever, and then
Speaker 1: they come on the speaker and it's a Mojoe buy
Speaker 1: and now it's usually like a red zone goal line situation.
Speaker 1: And now you got to be able to execute this
Speaker 1: right right now, and you got to remember what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do in that instant, that Mojoe moment, it's
Speaker 1: a trigger, the trigger, and it gets there a titch
Speaker 1: in real quick because usually and it applies to the
Speaker 1: games that changed periods in practice, then they know what's
Speaker 1: coming up and we just kind of over there, right,
Speaker 1: we'll be over there in the minute. But Mojoe moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody hustle up right now. Urgency and then when they
Speaker 1: and then when they take a break in practice, it's
Speaker 1: not break time. It's it's a two minute time out. Ah.
Speaker 1: I like it the first time, the time like a
Speaker 1: TV time the first time they did it and training,
Speaker 1: or the first time I realized what was going on.
Speaker 1: I was like TV time out and I was standing
Speaker 1: close enough to where there was a group of players
Speaker 1: and one guy goes TV time out in practice. But
Speaker 1: it's smart, no idea that it was just break, but
Speaker 1: think about it. It gets you in the mode as
Speaker 1: a player that Okay, it's a three minute TV time
Speaker 1: out whatever. You know exactly what all you have time
Speaker 1: to do in a TV time out? Now you know
Speaker 1: if you have, you've practiced it in practice. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about the Mojoe moment, I mean, of course
Speaker 1: we saw it as you know. Okay, offense get ready,
Speaker 1: but now defense also right, Yes, it's momentum changer as
Speaker 1: well against us. So can you turn that tip back again? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sense of urgency is a mindset. That's all football
Speaker 1: is about. That's what coach is about. It's a mindset.
Speaker 1: You know, I was talking about, how can we change
Speaker 1: things around here? No defensive lineman laying on the ground
Speaker 1: all the time, No linebackers getting cut off because you
Speaker 1: d lineman on holding anybody up. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you've got this front seven that is totally changed, not
Speaker 1: necessarily personnel, but just the way they're doing things. The
Speaker 1: aggressiveness that Dan Quinn is approaching the games with. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff. I'm getting excited about it
Speaker 1: because I saw some guys out there you didn't even
Speaker 1: know their damn names before this game, and they're in
Speaker 1: the backfield making things happen. You got to be proud
Speaker 1: of that as those players, and of course this defense
Speaker 1: changing their whole style of play. They're changing the mindset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and think about you know, the saying about guys you
Speaker 1: didn't know were out there. You know. Hard Knocks reveals
Speaker 1: a story about Azoo Kamara, right, the kid that was
Speaker 1: born in the Ivory Coast and his family ends up
Speaker 1: moving to the States and goes to college at with Arizona.
Speaker 1: I think it was Kansas, Kansas, that's right, but they
Speaker 1: ended up in Phoenix. Well, okay, yeah, I know it's
Speaker 1: a long story. No, No, I'll let you finish the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm sitting there when he got that sack late
Speaker 1: name exactly, I'm sitting there. I had got I got
Speaker 1: it written right here on my flip card, the Kamara's story.
Speaker 1: As I'm doing the game, I want the game to
Speaker 1: come to me. I don't want to force like Kamara
Speaker 1: is in the game earlier, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: force his story. He went to Glendale High School, I
Speaker 1: mean right down the street from that stadium, And in
Speaker 1: my research for the game, I'm going, okay, if Kamara
Speaker 1: Nara does anything in this game, I mean anything in
Speaker 1: this game. I'm telling that story about him and the
Speaker 1: whole thing about his families from Nigeria. What And so
Speaker 1: he comes off the edge, he gets the sack, and
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get in that story. And then Babe says,
Speaker 1: false start. But you know what, because I'm calling the
Speaker 1: game off. We're situated way in the corner of the stadium,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not watching the live action. I didn't
Speaker 1: see the false start because I'm watching like you are
Speaker 1: at home on TV. I'm just looking at the TV monitor.
Speaker 1: I see him coming, and I'm starting to tell that story.
Speaker 1: Hold on, ball start, And so I can't tell my
Speaker 1: story because then in real time on TV, I got
Speaker 1: to sit there and let the officials. By the time
Speaker 1: we get through all that, there's no time to tell
Speaker 1: the and he didn't have the sag it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And so but it's funny because on Hard Knocks they
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that in real time. They could
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell his entire story. And then at
Speaker 1: the end of it and oh, by the way, it
Speaker 1: was a false start, he didn't care. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like a Hollywood ending for them, right, And
Speaker 1: so you'll you'll appreciate this. So when they when they
Speaker 1: when the you finally saw the flag on the field,
Speaker 1: and I was in the press box and I go, well,
Speaker 1: if it was such a false start, why in the
Speaker 1: hell didn't they blow the whistle stop the play? And
Speaker 1: Rob goes, you're gonna argue a preseason penalty. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just a little curious on where that flag dropped
Speaker 1: and at what time they didn't blow the whistle, right,
Speaker 1: they should have saved the quarterback, right, and remember that
Speaker 1: was not the game winning field goal, but it was
Speaker 1: the game tying field and that would have won the
Speaker 1: game for the Cowboys. That was the That was the
Speaker 1: biggest play in the game, if you look at it,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest play in the game. If they
Speaker 1: don't call that false start, um, then the Cowboys win
Speaker 1: that game. Whatever you know, right, and again it's a
Speaker 1: preseason game, understand that. But here's the other part of that.
Speaker 1: Even for coaches like Cliff Kingsbury on the other side, Okay,
Speaker 1: think about it, with the timeouts, I think coaches have to,
Speaker 1: especially a young NFL coach like Kingsbury, he's got to
Speaker 1: treat these preseason games as a laboratory for a regular
Speaker 1: season game, and consider the fact in that situation, even
Speaker 1: though he's got his third team in there, that he
Speaker 1: can play this to understand that we kicked the field goal.
Speaker 1: Now we don't go for it on fourth down. We
Speaker 1: go ahead and kick the field goal. We've got timeouts
Speaker 1: in our hip pocket. We can get the ball back
Speaker 1: and then we can win the game. He needs to
Speaker 1: play it like that, right, But even flip it over
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys side. All right, So you got to
Speaker 1: Nucci in the game after Arizona ties the game up,
Speaker 1: he needs to be thinking, and the coaching staff for
Speaker 1: that matter, but you're thinking it were still over a
Speaker 1: minute left in the game. I've got it written down
Speaker 1: here somewhere, but it was a good amount of time left.
Speaker 1: They've got to be thinking at that point. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a tie game. We want to win the game, but
Speaker 1: for sure don't want to lose the game. So instead
Speaker 1: of looking to throw it twenty yards down field, we
Speaker 1: just need to move the chains and get it to
Speaker 1: the final thirty seconds exactly. And so so, even though
Speaker 1: these are quote unquote meaningless preseason games, this is a
Speaker 1: kind of mental stuff that they have to be working
Speaker 1: on to teach these players that this is how you
Speaker 1: manage a game. At the end of the game, that's
Speaker 1: the mojo moment. And even if even if you're teaching
Speaker 1: guys that aren't going to make the team, you just
Speaker 1: need to but they still have hope for that and
Speaker 1: it's a good way for him to understand the timing
Speaker 1: of the NFL and a way to win a football
Speaker 1: game at the end of the game. I think I
Speaker 1: still remember writing down one oh five, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what it was, one oh five. And I said
Speaker 1: to myself out loud, well whatever, I said, way too
Speaker 1: much time, right, and you're you're exactly right. But from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys standpoint, I think from the coaching staff, from
Speaker 1: what I heard, they counted that sack to his credit. Okay,
Speaker 1: because it didn't have that you know what the false
Speaker 1: start was. I wouldn't back and looked at it. It
Speaker 1: was almost like the guy in the slot took a
Speaker 1: deep breath, like if you went like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he did not move forward. His body just kind of
Speaker 1: relaxed backwards and there and I did anybody. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the all twenty two because I couldn't
Speaker 1: see when the flag came out because a lot of
Speaker 1: times these officials times they replayed in their mind. No,
Speaker 1: but you know what happened. I think the guy the
Speaker 1: Cowboys slot corner and the safety pointed just like that.
Speaker 1: And the key on the sack is did did who
Speaker 1: Kamara was going up against it? He quitn't know, That's
Speaker 1: the whole He didn't. He didn't see them flag, so
Speaker 1: the offensive line. So I'm marking him down for a
Speaker 1: SA couldn't tell your story. That's a count because it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good story, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: a lot of people I didn't know about it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. And he was on the
Speaker 1: I R all last year with See, this's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing I was talking about when they brought the
Speaker 1: zoom to the draft and you saw, you know, he's
Speaker 1: the family, the parents. You know they're doing the best
Speaker 1: they can. You know, your invite them into your home.
Speaker 1: The home doesn't look that great. You can tell that struggling.
Speaker 1: You can tell there, you know, economically, uh, struggling, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you don't you don't need to
Speaker 1: hear the story. Yeah, that's why I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: You can see the story right there, Zach, this kid
Speaker 1: is not dressed up in the suit. They didn't go,
Speaker 1: you know, get some agent that that fronted them, somebody
Speaker 1: for the brand new custom fit suit. These guys are
Speaker 1: sitting in their houses with their parents who have struggled
Speaker 1: their asses off to keep him where he is right now.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason. He said to me. That had
Speaker 1: even more of an impact than to see the guys
Speaker 1: walk out there and be paraded down down the love.
Speaker 1: I love the hard knocks showing the family and I
Speaker 1: guess maybe and his sister, uh talking to the mom saying, look,
Speaker 1: she can't take the smile off her face. She's watching
Speaker 1: the play. You know that almost what you just said
Speaker 1: about zooming in, it's almost uh reminiscent of the first
Speaker 1: time Jerry and Jimmy allowed uh. I think it was
Speaker 1: ESPN into the draft room, right into the war room,
Speaker 1: and you got to actually seem kind of now, they
Speaker 1: didn't reveal anything intimately that would hurt the team, but
Speaker 1: you got to see kind of the eye It was
Speaker 1: eye opening. It was open because no one has any idea.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me one day, you've been in the war room,
Speaker 1: I said, They would have shot me if I walked
Speaker 1: in the wall room, right, and here they are. There
Speaker 1: were heads of high hanging on the wall because back
Speaker 1: at the ranch they had that scouting room, right, and
Speaker 1: they had their big board up there. So not only
Speaker 1: did they have a big board for for the draft choices,
Speaker 1: they had their big board for their players like which
Speaker 1: players were in what order at what position? Right, and
Speaker 1: that was protected like Fort Knox. Well, they might have
Speaker 1: up there whose trade bait? Right, So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: about that'd be all revealed. You don't want to see,
Speaker 1: they know, and none of a sudden they're letting the
Speaker 1: camera in there because they used to have there was
Speaker 1: a and I want to see. It wasn't obvious, but
Speaker 1: it was an armed guard standing out that wow, out
Speaker 1: that scouting department. And you got to know that all
Speaker 1: the other teams around the NFL were thinking, man, Jerry's
Speaker 1: blowing it again, you know, because he came in with
Speaker 1: some innovative things that at the time people were thinking, Man,
Speaker 1: these guys they're not gonna last. Yeah, this is not
Speaker 1: gonna last. And now look at it. It's the norm.
Speaker 1: You know, here he is. You hadn't had a hadn't
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Speaker 1: slash Star. Do you you got new glasses? No? No,
Speaker 1: these are the old ones on he sounded very fluid.
Speaker 1: That's funny, you said new glasses. I lost my glasses
Speaker 1: at training camp. Oh wow, I had some backups, and
Speaker 1: I know why they're the backups or these brand new ones. No,
Speaker 1: these are the backup. Oh, these are the backups. Were
Speaker 1: very the backup seemed to read or that, which is
Speaker 1: funny because when I just went to the eye doctor
Speaker 1: this week, the thing that had to get better was
Speaker 1: the reading part of my glasses. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: don't think that. Did you have to read for him
Speaker 1: at the eye doctor. Oh, you gotta gotta get those
Speaker 1: read full sentences, paragraphs, got to get those lines, those letters.
Speaker 1: He's not cross anymore. Let's get okay, So Mickey, you
Speaker 1: read that great? Now can you read the new kickers
Speaker 1: name for us larum hi wu lahu? Very good? That
Speaker 1: was smooth. It's actually pretty simple once you Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta get rid of all the letters that that
Speaker 1: don't sound sound you know, they're silent. Right, here's a
Speaker 1: j there's a jai. It's a soft jai. No, well,
Speaker 1: but it's got an a before it didn't have an i.
Speaker 1: It's pronounced high but it's h a J. Yeah it
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, get out but J H and I.
Speaker 1: So let you're depending on the dialect. Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: Bertner or Grambling? Did you have any hieron louho was
Speaker 1: in your hat? Hamilton Park? Elementary. I had Okay, there
Speaker 1: you go. As so why are we talking about we
Speaker 1: talking about this guy. The Cowboys worked him out today
Speaker 1: and then finally signed him because uh, Hunter nice Wander
Speaker 1: came up with a back issue. Uh and he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to kick on Saturday. So they needed
Speaker 1: somebody to kick. They didn't want Steve Zirline to start
Speaker 1: until next or Greg'slin, Greg, Steve, is there a Steve
Speaker 1: Zerline brother? Yes, Steve, thank you see that man. Help me.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you. We do not want Steve Berlin. So
Speaker 1: so they needed somebody to kick. So this guy's been
Speaker 1: kicking around. Uh. He was in The Rams had him
Speaker 1: and then I think it will scared. The Rams had
Speaker 1: him last and he got beat out by Sloman uh
Speaker 1: last year for the kicking job, and then he kicked
Speaker 1: in some spring league. Uh and uh he's been but
Speaker 1: out of work, but he's made his money in the
Speaker 1: Canadian Canadian Football League. I was going to say, tell
Speaker 1: me there's more. There is definitely more. Six years in
Speaker 1: the Canadian Football League and he kicked the winning field
Speaker 1: goal for Toronto in the twenty seventeen Great Company yeh
Speaker 1: won the champion class for most was how far would Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you should listen. Now you listen, you need to
Speaker 1: listen to the call of the game because the guy
Speaker 1: after he made it, he goes that was probably for
Speaker 1: this Lion guy, the longest kicker ever to look at,
Speaker 1: knowing that what was on the line thirty four years
Speaker 1: and yeah, the goalposts, right they what? I don't know?
Speaker 1: That was my next question. Remember if they're they're wider, skinnier,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Because they don't want field goals in
Speaker 1: Canadian football, they want touchdowns. So now, okay, we're talked
Speaker 1: about the pronunciation of his last name, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like his first name is Lyrim And okay, well you
Speaker 1: just said like it is lim. It's l I R
Speaker 1: I M. Yeah, but lim. And most recently for the
Speaker 1: Hamilton Tiger Cats, he was forty seven of fifty five
Speaker 1: on field goals eighty five and a half percent. And
Speaker 1: he also punts and that's big. Now here's the other thing,
Speaker 1: because we in BacT Mickey, I think after the show
Speaker 1: the other day, Mickey and I were talking about nice
Speaker 1: wander and especially in this COVID environment, that we are
Speaker 1: still in the importance of having a kicker and a punter,
Speaker 1: a guy who can do both on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: And so this is a great opportunity for near him
Speaker 1: because if he can show something both punting and kicking,
Speaker 1: here when he gets an opportunity, he can have a
Speaker 1: spot on that practice squad because you never, you know,
Speaker 1: if COVID hits your kicker or your punter on a
Speaker 1: Friday before a game and he's got to go into quarantine,
Speaker 1: and what do you do? Yeah, and and think about
Speaker 1: this also with was Zerline coming back from back surgery,
Speaker 1: you better have a backup ready to go. But every
Speaker 1: team in the league, one of those sixteen spots on
Speaker 1: the practice squad needs to be for a guy who
Speaker 1: can kick, especially if he can do both. Yeah, Usually
Speaker 1: the punter is used as a backup kicker because if
Speaker 1: you think about it, remember was it two years ago
Speaker 1: when um oh I forgot the uh it was admirer
Speaker 1: or the next guy was hurt and Jeff he go
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the game and try to
Speaker 1: kick extra points. But even more so now because I
Speaker 1: mean you can wake up on Sunday morning and a
Speaker 1: guy is out that's right, you know, Yeah, they have him.
Speaker 1: There can't go out and sign him at the last minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway they made that. Plus you got to get
Speaker 1: him through COVID protocol in order just to happen to
Speaker 1: be ready. So I have a question, you know, you
Speaker 1: the inside man spags all right, we did all of
Speaker 1: last year, even though we were zooming. And while Dak's
Speaker 1: going through his surgery, I heard him say something extremely
Speaker 1: interesting about his ankle surgery. The second one. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: second one, he said. We kept that under wraps. They
Speaker 1: did until I didn't know. I never can't remember if
Speaker 1: it was the end of the season or it was
Speaker 1: in It was in late December, okay, and I think
Speaker 1: there was some swelling in there. So they went in
Speaker 1: there and whatever they needed to do. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: if everyone knew that he was going to have a
Speaker 1: second one, a second one before he went in. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine the s show that you know least you know,
Speaker 1: and let us let out around here. It would be crazy,
Speaker 1: it would have been. If I would have known that,
Speaker 1: I would have been extremely concerned about that, and it
Speaker 1: was more of a kind of a clean up thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't be able to ok that's what That's
Speaker 1: what happened, and it was something that I think needed
Speaker 1: to be taken. What wasn't Wasn't it something that they
Speaker 1: thought they might have to do anyway, And we'll just
Speaker 1: see where you are at that point. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: he was at that point where they needed to go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it in a timely fashion too, because
Speaker 1: of course that makes he had time to heal. But
Speaker 1: again it pushed back his rehab right, and that's what
Speaker 1: I think he was time to heal by by a march.
Speaker 1: You know, he very contract done. He was very cheeky
Speaker 1: on on that first show. It was just we talked
Speaker 1: about it Tuesday, but he was so cheeky on that
Speaker 1: first show. And as you think about it, sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to save the players from themselves. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's out there, you know, he's really fussing and
Speaker 1: just you know, whining really about not getting enough. We
Speaker 1: have to get it. Then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: goes out there like, oh you know, and he feels it, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on, Oh he can't follow through hurts. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because he's been throwing like a madman. He's probably
Speaker 1: throwing in the hospital. You know, come on, well you
Speaker 1: heard him. He was sitting, he was sitting on a
Speaker 1: chair throwing when he when he couldn't stand up. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but it was it was one throw that ended up doing.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Dak, so he's not playing on Saturday.
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything to suggest he would in practice
Speaker 1: yesterday and it was a really good practice. But he
Speaker 1: did everything until they started doing team stuff, competitive stuff,
Speaker 1: and they said, nah, he if they were playing Sunday,
Speaker 1: he'd be ready to go. Now they just don't want
Speaker 1: the risk to play in a preseason game. And Mike
Speaker 1: had priviley said if he doesn't play in the third one,
Speaker 1: he's not playing in the fourth one because that's for
Speaker 1: the young guys. So sound he's not playing Saturday. So
Speaker 1: he's basically going to go out there and the first
Speaker 1: time in a game since October eleventh is going to
Speaker 1: be against the world champion, the Bay Buccaneers. But also
Speaker 1: and not just and I was gonna say, and not
Speaker 1: just him, but that means the whole offense is not
Speaker 1: going to have a snap together until that first snap
Speaker 1: in Tampa. So we don't look forward to Taylan, right,
Speaker 1: we don't do we look forward to Martin? Do we
Speaker 1: look forward to to Colin. Colin's maybe not now because
Speaker 1: he didn't finish practice yesterday. He had a little back
Speaker 1: neck issue, So I would imagine they'll be very careful
Speaker 1: for that. Was having the right, Yeah, No, it was
Speaker 1: it was leal Um. They might put those guys out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Zach they've really not messed around with because
Speaker 1: he didn't do any team stuff yesterday either. H Tyrone
Speaker 1: was out there, so they might put him like for
Speaker 1: a series or two, just to give Garrett Gilbert a chance.
Speaker 1: Because teams just don't have enough backups on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: And I've said this forever, that's why these these alternative
Speaker 1: leagues fail because there's not enough offensive linemen to go
Speaker 1: around tackles, and especially the tackles. And I know we
Speaker 1: want our lineman to be ready, otherwise our running backs
Speaker 1: don't have a chance. But man Zeke looks good, yes,
Speaker 1: and so looks good Man. So what what McCarthy was
Speaker 1: trying to impress on everybody was we've got to go
Speaker 1: through the practice process, and we got to trust the
Speaker 1: practice process right that they'll be ready. Dack will be
Speaker 1: ready because that's how we're practicing, right. And so I
Speaker 1: got the end of my column last night, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we're going to test the old adage
Speaker 1: that practice makes perfect. That's a good one. Let me
Speaker 1: say something. I'm not sure that. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: this is a good way to go. No, well, I'm
Speaker 1: really not sure about that. But and then this is
Speaker 1: old school talking, I know, because I know I have
Speaker 1: to get out there and get my timing down. I
Speaker 1: remember held out after nineteen eighty five seasons. So we're
Speaker 1: going into eighty six and we played against the Giants
Speaker 1: first game like Sunday night, I think, and I was okay,
Speaker 1: but I held out the entire training camp and I
Speaker 1: only had like maybe two or three days preparation before
Speaker 1: the opening game, and I did not feel well about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel comfortable about it. It played okay, but
Speaker 1: I know I would have played better if I only
Speaker 1: had one back that game. Well, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would affected the rest of the team.
Speaker 1: But if I remember the first meeting against the Giants
Speaker 1: in eighty six, you guys won, Yeah we did win,
Speaker 1: but defensively we sucked. Yeah, yeah, we gave up too
Speaker 1: many points defensively. Well, not just not just my fault.
Speaker 1: So just just but because you had at the halfway point,
Speaker 1: you had the number one offense, it didn't matter, right,
Speaker 1: you just sound that story people. But here's the thing though,
Speaker 1: once again Zeke looking yes, really really good, right, And
Speaker 1: those film clips on hard knocks are not deceptive that
Speaker 1: he was been like. You can't fake that for three weeks.
Speaker 1: You can't fake it. And I also can't fake say
Speaker 1: I saw somebody say, oh, Zeke knew he's miked up.
Speaker 1: That's why he's acting like the way he's that goofy
Speaker 1: all the time, right, that's why I got in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Somebody asked somebody asked Malite Cooker because Hooker
Speaker 1: was from Ohio State and I think he probably Zeke's
Speaker 1: senior year, that might have been his second year, and
Speaker 1: they asked him, you know, was he he goes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he matured a little because but he was
Speaker 1: that goofy back at Ohio State and kind of like
Speaker 1: a kid bouncing off the walls all the time. Right,
Speaker 1: But that's him, you know, the deal about the powder
Speaker 1: and the hot dog and you know, just being just goofy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rapping the president, Rapping the president that was remas look
Speaker 1: my mind still, that's right, that's right. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: to your point on on Zeke, when I got out
Speaker 1: to training camp and I saw him the first couple
Speaker 1: of practices, I said the exact same. I said, WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's good, he's good to go. Let's get he won't
Speaker 1: need a big hole. Let's get to give him. It's
Speaker 1: getting to Sevember nine, and and so I and I
Speaker 1: think in the first episode of Hard Knocks they may
Speaker 1: have talked about it. H McCarthy like, okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: here talking with Jerry st st Stephen who was Stephen.
Speaker 1: They were mostly talking about that. Now, there was one
Speaker 1: point they were talking about Zeke and I was like,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, not just preseason games, I'm going
Speaker 1: in practice, can you just get let him run on
Speaker 1: the side, And could you imagine if we used him
Speaker 1: as that weapon down the field, passing it to him
Speaker 1: as a receiver. He's got that ability. Yeah. And you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, you don't want to show how he
Speaker 1: ended up wide open going down the middle, right, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want to show what that play was giving
Speaker 1: the tail end of that one, because that was clearly
Speaker 1: something that they need to work on and they're going
Speaker 1: to use that play oh, hep kids. And that reminded
Speaker 1: me of the pregame interview I did with McCarthy and
Speaker 1: I said something about Michael Parsons and I said, gosh,
Speaker 1: you're using them so many different ways. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: how's he handed it all that? And he goes, well, now, Mick,
Speaker 1: that's given away some secrets and so we know he's
Speaker 1: going to be all over and then he answered the question. Right,
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't take a genius to figure out
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're going to use him in a variety.
Speaker 1: That's why I've quit calling him a lineback, glidenbacker, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: It's football player from Michael player. That's it. He's all
Speaker 1: over the place and and good and he's handling, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's was one of the things dan Quinn continues
Speaker 1: to point out, and he did it again to day
Speaker 1: about giving guys a heck of a lot to do
Speaker 1: and then I find out what they can do and
Speaker 1: what they can Shame on me if they can't do
Speaker 1: and I'm asking them to do it in a game.
Speaker 1: Who does that say about last year? Yeah? Right? Because
Speaker 1: I mean, we constantly saw the same thing week after week,
Speaker 1: so obviously no one was trying to realize what was
Speaker 1: being retained. Yeah, yeah, okay, we got one more segment
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Speaker 1: think that is a huge vacancy at this point. Neville
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Speaker 1: first team. I thought he did, and and so they're
Speaker 1: they're kind of high on him. They need him to
Speaker 1: come through. The other guy dan Quinn mentioned, even though
Speaker 1: it's not the same position, is Quentin Bohannah seventh six,
Speaker 1: seventh row six. He's more yeah, and he's more of
Speaker 1: a one technique, But as Quinn pointed out today, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we could put him at the one technique because Carlos
Speaker 1: Watkins has some ability to play the three um. The
Speaker 1: other thing that Justin Hamilton is another guy that they
Speaker 1: can rotate in there see what he can do, and
Speaker 1: then in pass rush situations if they get Terrell Basham
Speaker 1: back on the field. He's a defensive end, but he
Speaker 1: can move inside. He's big enough to do that too.
Speaker 1: So they've got a couple of different ways they can
Speaker 1: go at that position while waiting for Neville Gallimore. And
Speaker 1: they got a decision there Bill to make. If you know,
Speaker 1: can he can they put him on the fifty three
Speaker 1: for three more weeks and say, Okay, you'll be ready
Speaker 1: to go in game four, or do they put them
Speaker 1: on fifty three and then the next day put him
Speaker 1: on IR and all you got to do is miss
Speaker 1: three games and then you'd be ready the fourth week
Speaker 1: if you're physically ready. So they got to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of roster massage at that position. And the
Speaker 1: timing of the injury. Okay, it happened to a week ago.
Speaker 1: Basically last a week ago, so we're one week into it.
Speaker 1: Dislocated elbow in six weeks four to six, four to six,
Speaker 1: So even if it's six and we're three weeks right now,
Speaker 1: we're three weeks from the opener, so you'd be at
Speaker 1: four weeks at Tampa Bay. Right, all right, then you
Speaker 1: got at the Chargers then home against Philadelphia, and I
Speaker 1: would say, you go, ir, you probably because let them
Speaker 1: have that because even even if it's healed or after
Speaker 1: you're off that time gonna need a wink to get
Speaker 1: it back in shape and then a week to get
Speaker 1: ready for the next game. Right. So yeah, when he
Speaker 1: came in, you know, they said he was quicker, and
Speaker 1: he had a great offseason. Yes, he was one of
Speaker 1: the winners of the offseason workout program. Um, so you know,
Speaker 1: I hate that man. And then that that happens, he'll
Speaker 1: be he'll be salivating when he comes back. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So that'll be my first one along those lines. I mean,
Speaker 1: like nice wander. I mean, he's having a nice camp.
Speaker 1: You know, he's so and now he's he comes up
Speaker 1: with an injury and at the timing of it, at
Speaker 1: this time of the year, you have an injury and
Speaker 1: for roster reasons, they got a waving injured and they
Speaker 1: will put him on IR and he's out for the year. Alua,
Speaker 1: the fullback he had, he really showed something in that
Speaker 1: first game as an injury for the year. Was his offseason,
Speaker 1: I tried, Yeah, So speaking of a lot Honolua. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nick Ralston from our guyle down down the road here
Speaker 1: a little bit high school. Uh, he's the loan fullback
Speaker 1: on the team now, and they're going to give him
Speaker 1: an opportunity. John Fossil was talking about his special teams
Speaker 1: play and for the for basically to convince them that, okay,
Speaker 1: you'd like to keep a fullback, this kid can play
Speaker 1: special teams. And he had two tackles. Again, he played
Speaker 1: a little linebacker at Arizona State too. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: had Fossil talked about the one tackle he made. He said,
Speaker 1: this was an offensive guy, you know, a fullback, and
Speaker 1: he shed two blocks to go bust through and make
Speaker 1: that tackle. He said, so we're gonna see if you know,
Speaker 1: can he can he help us on special teams? You
Speaker 1: know who he tackled? Who is a tackle? That? Eno Benjamin?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was on the on the opening kickoff
Speaker 1: of the second half. He went down and made the tackle.
Speaker 1: It was a really good tackle. What you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Eno Benjamin was the running back at Arizona State, and
Speaker 1: Ralston says, lead blocker for three years. Very nice. Right.
Speaker 1: So So anyway, buddy, how you doing good? In the
Speaker 1: Arizona game, they used him in some fullback situations near
Speaker 1: the gold line or whatever, and so let's see what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good block on Zavian Collins, first round draftick linebacker
Speaker 1: on what you like going into the draft for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys a matter of fact. So yeah, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's another good uh hard knocks story.
Speaker 1: You know, local kid, undrafted rookie we know about on
Speaker 1: the traffick. I don't want to. I want to, and
Speaker 1: nobody asks, but I was waiting on Bible to ask me.
Speaker 1: But I want to see a better passing game. Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's not just coming from Gilbert. That's not really
Speaker 1: the points not really about how they protect. I want
Speaker 1: to see without backup while receivers can really really do it.
Speaker 1: I haven't been too impressed with any of them, except
Speaker 1: for the kid from Stanford Hoko. Yeah, he's been doing
Speaker 1: very well. Trying to see what kind of backup tight
Speaker 1: ends we have, you know, just you know, is there
Speaker 1: anything there? You know that I mean, if you can't
Speaker 1: even show for this game, you can show for what
Speaker 1: do you hear on a team in case you get cut?
Speaker 1: What are you hearing on Sean McEwan as far as
Speaker 1: high ankle. Yeah, so that's at least he showed something
Speaker 1: eighty four if he got hurt in the game the
Speaker 1: other night, if not four weeks. So that gives an
Speaker 1: opportunity to Jeremy Sprinkle eighty seven because if they decide
Speaker 1: that maybe McCann has to go on you know, returnable
Speaker 1: I R, then they'll need a third tight end. By
Speaker 1: the way, it's qwan mckewan. It spelled. It's spelled McKeon.
Speaker 1: Here we go, it's give mc capital k e o N.
Speaker 1: How do you get mqwan out of that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that's where it is. Yeah, I gotta be at
Speaker 1: U in that somewhere. Yeah, but but even some I
Speaker 1: keep getting this. I keep telling this receiver it's Brown
Speaker 1: eighty five, Brown Brown. I want to see him do better.
Speaker 1: I want to see him really show. Okay, I'm out
Speaker 1: here with these backups. I want him to play as
Speaker 1: a guy that's playing against backups, and and he's he's
Speaker 1: probably considered the fifth guy. Uh And you know, hanging
Speaker 1: on to me looks like hanging on by It used
Speaker 1: to be all over them because every time somebody'd ask
Speaker 1: about Noah Brown and they'd say, well, he's a good blocker,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't want my wide receiver to
Speaker 1: be a good blocker, right, I'll put another tight end
Speaker 1: out there. Well, he probably didn't like it either, because
Speaker 1: he lost weight less, he reshaped his body. He looked
Speaker 1: like a wide receiver. He's faster. Now, he's got to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more insertive to get because that
Speaker 1: because you mentioned Bill Fioko or you you didn't. And
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, if you're only keeping five, maybe that
Speaker 1: fifth one. So I'm telling he's hanging on will be
Speaker 1: he is Money's exactly, it'll be at least one point.
Speaker 1: When they drafted him, I had a feeling that this
Speaker 1: would be a matchup between these two guys. And so
Speaker 1: now if you're talking rookie money, six hundred thousand compared
Speaker 1: to one point two two point one, so you better
Speaker 1: make it worth your while. Yeah, and then special teams
Speaker 1: will come in because he's a good Noah's a good
Speaker 1: special teams player. So do you do I convince them
Speaker 1: that I'm the fifth or do I convince them that
Speaker 1: you need to keep six wide receivers? So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the first four spots are pretty much taken because
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson is. I think he's really good as your
Speaker 1: fourth receivers and he helps you on special teams. Right
Speaker 1: except when you call an end the round? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: fault man? Let it go, Stags, let it go. That
Speaker 1: is throw the ball. So yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: good spot to look at. Now they're going to continue
Speaker 1: giving Connor Williams some snaps at center in this game. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they like the way he's handling
Speaker 1: everything else. But if you can't snap the ball, you
Speaker 1: can't play that. Let me clarify something. Now. The two
Speaker 1: point one millions on one who Brown? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's he's got a I just looked it up. He's
Speaker 1: a one year, one point one two seven million dollars deal.
Speaker 1: He didn't he was not a restrict He's in his
Speaker 1: fifth year strictly, No, he's in his fifth year. And
Speaker 1: so they signed that is and yeah, there you go,
Speaker 1: and so and that is a huge deal. Uh, and
Speaker 1: very smart on Noah Brown's part to keep his salary
Speaker 1: down in a range to where he will be Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to make that extra million dollar, but you
Speaker 1: want to make the team. Does he does? You want
Speaker 1: to get the first one point one million is guarantee?
Speaker 1: Is uh? Guaranteed at signing one hundred thirty seven thousand
Speaker 1: total guaranteed one hundred and thirty seven. So they basically
Speaker 1: gave him the veteran exception. Yeah, because that means he
Speaker 1: doesn't count as much against the cap as it as
Speaker 1: it chose because they gave him the minimum signing bonus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this cap hits nine eighty seven. They have done him
Speaker 1: a favor. Yeah, right, himself a fair and it shows
Speaker 1: that they value him on special teams to get They
Speaker 1: wanted to make it manageable to where we want to
Speaker 1: keep you right. So but anyway, go back to the
Speaker 1: center spot. You know, they they just want to give
Speaker 1: Connor Williams needs snaps. He's never played the position before,
Speaker 1: so now can can he? Can he do it? They'll
Speaker 1: give him people coming in looking differently. Does he look stronger? Yes?
Speaker 1: Because he needed to. Yes, And I think he has
Speaker 1: uh and and I think it shows that his left
Speaker 1: guard spot because people wanted to continue to say, wow,
Speaker 1: there's there's competition for that starting spot. He's got that
Speaker 1: turning spot and he's not competing with uh the idest
Speaker 1: for center. He's only problem at center is he can't snap.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but not nice position. That's like he
Speaker 1: didn't if he didn't have to snap, he could play center.
Speaker 1: He just can we do like we did on the
Speaker 1: field and just hand the ball back. So they're gonna
Speaker 1: continue to try that because really the alternatives on this
Speaker 1: roster I don't think are here, uh Fiarco, Farney, Farniac flows,
Speaker 1: I gotto, he's reading better, boy, you read better. Put
Speaker 1: it in front of him, man, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this at training camp. I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that they like the idea of
Speaker 1: Connor Williams playing center if he could snap, is from
Speaker 1: a mental standpoint. Now in his fourth year in the league,
Speaker 1: he can make the calls and all that right stuff,
Speaker 1: and so that another reason why he was a good
Speaker 1: candidate for that spot. And he's been in the league
Speaker 1: and he been through it. McGovern just played a little
Speaker 1: bit last year and that was really his first year
Speaker 1: to play. But not only does Connor Williams have to
Speaker 1: work on his strength, he's got to work on his
Speaker 1: footwork because you could just see it land this year
Speaker 1: he just didn't seem to be first of all, strong
Speaker 1: enough to withstand the moves, and secondly, he just didn't
Speaker 1: seem to react well with his feet when the pressure
Speaker 1: became too much for him to bear. Because sometimes when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, if you can work that footwork,
Speaker 1: that will put you in position to where you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about all the hand fighting as much,
Speaker 1: right because you're already in position and you gain leverage
Speaker 1: on him. So that brings us to tie Nasecki as
Speaker 1: the backup swing tackle, the veteran guy who's thirty six,
Speaker 1: and I think he's got something to prove still, and
Speaker 1: so keep an eye on that because it's last kind
Speaker 1: of a week and a half of practice. When they
Speaker 1: couldn't went to the seconds. He had been at left tackle,
Speaker 1: Terren Steele was at right tackle. Well, they flipped him,
Speaker 1: so I think they're trying to see Terrence Steele play
Speaker 1: left tackle. What was his grade? How did he grade out? Naski, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know in the game how he graded out.
Speaker 1: But he was the one that caused problems at the
Speaker 1: goal line against Pittsburgh when they moved down there and
Speaker 1: there was a sack. Well, it was his guy, and
Speaker 1: the next play on third down, it was his guy
Speaker 1: that caused Gilbert to have to throw the ball haphazardly.
Speaker 1: How long do you want Gilbert to play this week?
Speaker 1: I give him a half half, But that depends on
Speaker 1: who I've got on the offensive line, right, I can
Speaker 1: give him a half. I can't hit him back up play.
Speaker 1: He hadn't played who's on the line. I mean seriously
Speaker 1: outside of the game against Pittsburgh last year. He hasn't
Speaker 1: played since SMU, which is like a decade ago, right, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that was his first NFL start. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, he played in other places in ten years. Hey,
Speaker 1: not really. I don't know about his preseason, but well
Speaker 1: he played. Nobody played preseason games last year, so he
Speaker 1: played in that played games. He played four games were
Speaker 1: the Orlando Apollo and then the season XL. And actually
Speaker 1: he was playing well, he was. They went first place.
Speaker 1: I don't know that who cares he? So there's there's
Speaker 1: some things that for sure, probably look at the other guy,
Speaker 1: Jabil Cox, because he's starting to get it. Their fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, the linebacker from Ellen. He's one of my favorites. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's starting to pick up the pace. So see, you know,
Speaker 1: if he can move into some rotation with all those linebackers,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get on the field in different ways. Um.
Speaker 1: And then Malie Cooker, you know he's gonna play. Now,
Speaker 1: let's see how far along he is. Uh, coming back
Speaker 1: from you know, that's two two guys coming back from Achilles.
Speaker 1: What I always said, you did a good job. I
Speaker 1: already said that Tuesday did a great job. But you did.
Speaker 1: You did a great job, even with Babe being there.
Speaker 1: How you did that? So my question is, um, what
Speaker 1: did Babe have to say about de Nucci's performance, because
Speaker 1: he was a bit critical doing the game. Yeah, he um,
Speaker 1: and he was correct in some of his Uh. I
Speaker 1: haven't asked him about the Nucci, but I did talk
Speaker 1: to him today and he's he thought Gilbert took a
Speaker 1: step back last week. I thought I didn't think the
Speaker 1: Nucci made any ground. Yeah, I really did throw a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. Okay, okay, I think it was just a
Speaker 1: I'm still looking for the grown up because he still
Speaker 1: looks like his arm is a little too weak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still looks like he's you know, he's not doesn't
Speaker 1: have the NFL body there's nothing wrong with his arm.
Speaker 1: I think it's his emotion how quickly he recognizes things.
Speaker 1: But the motion is he's throwing side ar yeah, all
Speaker 1: the time, way too much. And then the other part
Speaker 1: is under pressure, he's got to step up to throw
Speaker 1: the ball, even if he's gonna get hit. He's fading.
Speaker 1: He stepped back, and you don't want to be thrown off.
Speaker 1: And that is almost like he's the point like this,
Speaker 1: and you know what they I think it was on
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks when nus Meyer was talking to him and
Speaker 1: he was talking to him about your eyes. He goes,
Speaker 1: why are you looking over there? There's nothing there. You
Speaker 1: were supposed to be looking here. And so those are
Speaker 1: things that you know, a guy that hasn't played much
Speaker 1: since college, you know, he's got to get snaps and
Speaker 1: so I'm sure they would like to give him a half.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do with Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: I just think if if Gilbert's your backup Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: you're wasting your time as the third guy. And nothing
Speaker 1: against him, but that guy should be somebody that's young
Speaker 1: that you're trying to develop. If you keep three right.
Speaker 1: Otherwise Denucci, you put him on the practice squad depending
Speaker 1: on what you need on the fifty three. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep three, right, But I would think somehow, some way, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just want to see that kid play
Speaker 1: because he's you watching training camp. He can throw the
Speaker 1: BA and he can run, which you know there was
Speaker 1: kind of Tony Romo's deal when he first got here.
Speaker 1: You know, Romo could run, he could throw it, but
Speaker 1: you never knew where he was throwing it. The defense did. Yeah, no, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I mean he would miss. He would miss
Speaker 1: guys ten yards high sometimes right, and I could see.
Speaker 1: So are you seeing are you saying that you see
Speaker 1: some Tony Romo Innucia both played the same level of
Speaker 1: college football, both got in the league. Nucci played some
Speaker 1: major college football at and he and he transferred right
Speaker 1: and then he was one of those candidates to win
Speaker 1: the Walter Peyton Player of the Year one so um
Speaker 1: played the National Championship game. I mean, if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had judged Romo the way he played in his first
Speaker 1: two preseason not even preseason practice training camp, he'd have
Speaker 1: been out because he wasn't accurate us and his arm
Speaker 1: and his coach didn't even back him. No, remember, you
Speaker 1: guys will never win the championship with this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's hope for Denucci, Yes, I think there is,
Speaker 1: But how long they can He reminds me there the
Speaker 1: way he talks, he reminds me he's got a confidence
Speaker 1: level about him. That reminds me he's got to get
Speaker 1: another half. I think you're looking at Gilbert first half
Speaker 1: and then and regardless of what happens, this got the
Speaker 1: last game to this game, he's got the last game.
Speaker 1: Maybe you give give him the start in the last
Speaker 1: game and see what happens. But they got to find out.
Speaker 1: They got to know what Cooper Rush is, right, he's
Speaker 1: been here. They got to know, but they don't know
Speaker 1: yet about so so that the determination they're making there
Speaker 1: is whether they keep three quarterbacks. Danucci's go on the
Speaker 1: practice squad, right, Okay, you're putting him on the procc.
Speaker 1: If he's on the practice squad, then they keep two
Speaker 1: on the fifty three. Okay. So you're not saying if
Speaker 1: you quarters right okay, yeah, right, yeah, okay, And it's
Speaker 1: den Rush Okay, yeah, okay, I think it's that's what McCarthy. Kay, Okay.
Speaker 1: That does it for this edition of mix shots. What
Speaker 1: are we going to be back on? I think next
Speaker 1: week we were supposed to do Monday Wednesday Friday. Okay
Speaker 1: in our in the ration, all right, Monday Wednesday Friday,
Speaker 1: same battime, we hope, who knows what time ends, depends
Speaker 1: on the practice schedule. If they decide to practice next week,
Speaker 1: then we will go at two o'clock or okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, enjoy the game. We'll see a Monday Go Cowboys.
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