WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Inside Scoops 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:16.000 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.200 screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.919 Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:30.880 and Nicky Spagnola and it is time for another edition 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:36.240 of Mick Shots on a Thursday afternoon as the Cowboys. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.360 We heard from the coordinators today and Mickey Spagnola has 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.480 just returned from an exclusive sit down with the man 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.560 at the top of the coaching staff. Hot off the press, Baby, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.479 I cannot wait to hear what Mickey has to say. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:01:00.080 It was sort of like a fireside chat, just so 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.040 intimate session with the head coach with about I don't 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.559 know fourteen fourteen of the guys that cover the team 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.120 as writers fourteen. It's not very exclusive then, well, ye 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:21.760 kind of crowded that. It sound like one on one right, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.440 Oh oh, not like you and Jerry. Not like you 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.280 and Jerry, Mickey will Mickey will get his one on 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.440 one with the coach, just like he got his one 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.039 on one last week with the coach. That's right, Mickey, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.200 have you paid your fine yet? I have to address 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.640 that with him. Yet we're gonna hear about it. We're 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.320 gonna do that. We're gonna work on a reduction. So 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.880 we were he was He used the Well, what we 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.560 had done with the pregame show was the first segment 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.080 would be with the head coach right on the floor 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.480 of the game. He didn't want to do it live, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.880 so we had to record it near the locker room 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.200 about a half hour before we started. I don't blame 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.600 show too, I'd want to take it to right. And 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.440 uh so we're in the middle of our little one 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.880 on one and my phone rings, wow, and he goes 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.639 a typical rookie move and he goes, that's sixteen hundred dollars. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.640 It was great because he didn't miss a beat. He 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.320 was just answering the question and phone ring he answered 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.440 the question right. You talked about literally not missing a beat. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.160 That's the way James Brown used to do his band 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.960 members right. He would stay on beat and tell him 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.560 got you right, that's where he got you. So he 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.480 got me. So we had the session recorded right and 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.000 then so we played it later in the in the 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.840 pregame show and we got the phone to go right 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.440 and everybody got a good laugh. Out of it. So 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.520 when we came back for the next segment, I had 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.840 my wallet out and I said, Okay, I'm gonna start paying. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.480 I got a little money left over from the training 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.120 camp now from the lawsuit from when you got hit 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:03.280 on your bike. Yeah right, so yeah, so so you 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.840 made your you made sure the phone was silenced before 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.640 this quote unquote exclusively still as a matter of fact, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.959 and I think I even you might have missed a 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.120 few I all turned out the off the vibration too, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.520 might have missed a few calls do the right thing. Yeah, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:25.239 so lemonades involved. Yeah, so anyway, but no, he was 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.239 you know what he did this last year right after 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.040 he got the job. He got it was like two 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.800 weeks later, and then COVID theirs, and then it was 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.120 before COVID hit and he just kind of wanted to 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.040 get to know the guys that he was going to 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.480 be dealing with. So we all went up there and 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.960 everybody introduced themselves. Hi, um, you know, and how long 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.280 you covered the team? And of course you know, they 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.960 went around the room, yes, one by one, and you know, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.480 it got to me and I go, well, I've been 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.680 here forever, you know whatever, And that was the last interaction. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.960 So this would have been the second or third week 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:04.920 in January. That would have been the last interaction we had. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:10.360 I had with him in person, in person until two 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.120 or three days before now. It would have been the 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:19.000 day before Thanksgiving when Marcus Paul passed away and he 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.120 happened to be in our end of the building and 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.800 we ran into each other. He was going to rich 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.640 Dalrymple's office, and it was like, I thought I'd go 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.000 through the whole season without ever bumping into you again, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.880 and that was the only time. So he decided, I 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.720 guess to do it again this year. And you know, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.240 just like Jason Garrett, you know, these coaches have an 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.480 image when they're in front of the camera and an 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.120 image they think they need to portray. And then when 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 you get him in a setting like that, he's just 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.120 a normal guy. He's just he talked about his family, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:01.279 the kids starting school today, and you know, because he's 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.320 got everybody back together now because last year they didn't, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.680 they didn't move down because they were in the middle 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.720 of the school season. Wow, it's no different than at 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.280 training camp in Austin when Jimmy would go across the 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.200 street right you know or that time, and I think 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.080 it was so it had been Jimmy. And we got 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.719 to know him because we got to go into his 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.080 office the three Beat writers, right, and just that was 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.840 our one session a week. So we got to know him. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.919 And I knew him when he was at Oklahoma State. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.400 But in ninety three, so his guys left, wants dat 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.760 got the head coaching job with the Bears, Tony Wise 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.560 went with him. Those were his guys, right, He'd go 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.640 out and they'd have Heinekens and whatever. So he had rich. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.480 He said, you know what, we need to get together 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.280 with the guys, get about a hit or ten of him. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:56.920 So he got a bunch of us and we went 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.599 to one of the Mexican restaurants right across the street 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.160 from No No. This one was the one closer downtown. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:09.000 It was a high rise Mexican restaurant, like two floors, right, yeah. Yeah. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.280 So we're in this we're on this big table and 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.679 he just wants to, you know, shoot the s and 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:21.719 uh the Mariachi band's plan and we can't hear each other, right, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.240 So Jimmy goes, wait a minute, wait, let me take 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.080 care of this. So he goes up to the Mariachi band, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.760 hands him one hundred dollar bill and says, just just 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:37.440 don't don't play for an hour, paying you not. And 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.920 they did and they listed and then you know, we 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.880 shot the Breeze with him and yeah, and it's like, yeah, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.240 that's the Jimmy, you know. But he would do that 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.839 also that like like on a rig on a normal 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.239 Tuesday at training camp, the team is eating dinner or whatever, 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.560 and they're going into meetings and Jimmy would go across 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.320 the street, um there were there was a Mexican food 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.680 restaurant or something talk and yeah, and he just you know, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.640 kind of gets for an hour or so, and you know, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:07.400 and but but the point is, if these writers are 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.120 going to be the ones who are critiquing you and 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.040 critical and they're a lot less critical of you if 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.000 you befriend them. Is this the previous of every NFL coach, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.640 just the ones that come to Dallas. Didn't McCarthy do 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.720 this when he was in Green Bay? I don't know that, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.560 but I was told, like in that January meeting last year, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.760 he was he was just a guy. He was a 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.600 guy from Pittsburgh, right, And afterwards somebody's asked me how 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.520 how did it go? And I had said, this was 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.720 really good. I said, you know, he's very forthcoming and 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.360 and he's and it was one of the PR guys 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.120 and they said, yeah, I talked to somebody in Green 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.560 Bay and he goes, you know, once the season starts, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.920 he ain't changes. That's right, that's that's you know there. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.200 It's not their obligation to tell us everything. Right. But 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.239 at the same time, you just talked about the different presonas. Yeah, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.160 and he just has to carry on that persona with 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.720 you guys, because he wants to keep you at Bay 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.880 just a little bit. I'm sure that doesn't work all 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.680 the time. He wants he has to come out, come 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.800 on a certain way with his players. It's just the 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.320 way it is. You can be nice to him all 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.600 you want, but then there's gonna be times when you 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.480 gotta make that speech, right, you know, like the speech 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.920 he made in training camp. There are times when all 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.640 bs aside, you know, none of this on the on 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.200 the film, none of this, these hand games and things 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.280 of that nature. I have something serious to share with you. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.720 And by the way they dogged him on his uh 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.640 Austin power of speeches. Yeah, I like the speech. Yeah, 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.440 I like good, I like the mojo. Yeah, they would 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.280 dogging the nationwide about having your mojo. To me, that 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.240 was all he was showing that, Okay, we need to 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.240 understand that when we get this turnover, there's a chance 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.000 for momentum, so we need to have a sense of urgency. Basically, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.559 that's what it was. He was telling them that they 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.360 had to have a sense of urgency, and he had 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.480 a fun way to do it, and and and the 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.040 thing that I think he recognizes and and Jason Garrett 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:05.000 recognized the same thing is you have to do things 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.640 to get your player's attention because meetings after you know, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.880 and it's like, we can't listen to this game, so 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.040 you got to do something to grab their attention right 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.520 off the start. You know. We we spoke with John 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.760 Fossil today, one of the coordinators, and of course they 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.520 asked him about hard knocks and the vast second. Yeah, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.880 and everybody waited to the end and they asked him 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.640 about it and he and he told basically an interesting story. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.120 He said, you know, we had a forty five minute 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.800 meeting and it was the rookies, and he said, we 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.280 never talked about football. He said, We just talked about life, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.720 and I had guys tell me stories about themselves that 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.439 I would have never known. And he said, one thing 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.760 led to another and they knew something. I said something 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.800 about my how I had my third child, and he goes, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.920 all of a sudden, we got on to that subject 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.160 and those guys started asking questions because they don't know 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.920 anything about That reminds you how young these guys are, right. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.319 I guess we were all young that time. And he 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.559 reminds you that he's just like his dad, by the way. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.880 He's just like, yeah, his dad would come with silly stories. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.040 And he said, he said, so they got into the 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.600 deal and he started answering questions and then he realized, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.600 you know, hard knocks his role in here. And so 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.040 they came to him and said, hey, coaches, this is okay, right, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.160 and he said, I'll check out that. So he said 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.160 he talked to his wife, right and and I guess 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.079 she was like, you know, we've been through this before 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.079 and you've talked about it. She goes, we're an open book. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.320 Go with it right. Let him let him know it's 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.760 already been made public. Anyway. I'm sure they've done they 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.480 had done previous interviews about it a made statement, So 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.200 that was that was sort of his way to get 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.600 those guys intention to listen to him. So maybe the 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.680 next meeting they're gonna talk football, but they're going okay, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.680 coaches kind of like us. He's just human, right, and 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.440 and I think that the head coaches have to work 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.320 hard on that. You know, think about Rod Miranelli, you 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:12.199 know Marinelli, his defensive meetings. To get those guys attention, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.160 he would have the people in our TV department put 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:20.000 together a presentation and it might be a wildlife presentation 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.920 of lions in the wild and eating whatever, you know, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.360 and and attacking other animals just to get their attention. Yeah, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.720 and that's a common thing that among coaches they do. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.480 In fact, McCarthy does the same thing. And that's what 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:38.400 he's going you're talking about, Tom Ladie didn't do that. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.920 He didn't know anything about our feelings, right, He didn't 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.199 tell us about his persecondy Gene Starlin's Allie did was 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:45.839 just cuss you out all the time if you pissed 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.000 him off, because it chapped his ass. That's it was 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.920 his favorite term. It just chapps my head. Well, y'all 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.880 could practice longer back. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, they get that. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.520 They get us a favorite, right, you didn't have a 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:01.040 shot clock, right, yeah, you know. And and so before 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.880 the before the draft, I needed to do a one 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.400 on one with him for the draft party. Right. But 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.120 they were they were busy putting together their presentation to 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.959 the team, right because they that after the draft, they 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.800 had needed to have their meeting, and they were working 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.520 on what they were going to do. And it was 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.320 some wild stuff too, but it was sort of like 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.439 you know what you just said about how he got 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.440 the attention of those guys with the mojo movement, you know, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.360 just to get these young guys attention, Jason used to 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.839 work on that hard. Uh. And he said, one of 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.240 the things they've done, this is new stuff they had, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.079 like I've never they would have a brotherhood, a brotherhood dada, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.600 and everybody would get up and tell a story about 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.400 themselves that no one would know. Jason used to do 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:51.080 that when he had that high school, uh, the the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.720 high school Quarterback Quarterback Youth where they'd bring in kids 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.000 from underserved schools and he had the players, like six 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.400 or seven of them get up there and tell their 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.800 story how they got to the NFL and it to 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.280 these young kids, it made it real because they're thinking, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.520 that guy's kind of like what I am right now? 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.760 And he got here right and there were some amazing 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.400 stories that we didn't know about people. And so again, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.880 you've got to be in command. You're the guy in charge. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.760 You might have to fire somebody, right, but you got 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.720 to have them know you're human. I'm trying to picture 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.960 Belichick of our it SA doing this kind of stuff. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.360 I just can't see that man. Yeah, you know, and 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.600 I love it. You know what he might have changed 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.160 because the time's changed because the kids are just saying 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.439 that does say that's what that was? Who was that? 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.320 Saban does it? Yeah? Really yeah? And Saban does that 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.839 kind of stuff. And he has a lot of guests speakers. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.120 He's connected to old school coaches. Yeah yeah, right, and 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.040 and I think a lot of the stuff, you know, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.199 especially guest speakers like he had Ernie Johnson. It went 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.360 viral just recently. Ernie Johnson from T and T went 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.840 and talked to their team. He was it was great man. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.800 You can find that so cool, find that on social media. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.160 It's a five minute talk that they've edited it down 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.440 and it is really inspiring. But and then I can't 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.480 remember he had someone else come in this week, I 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.280 mean in their preseason workouts and stuff, and the only 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.960 it just kind of breaks it up and you're not 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.800 hearing the same voice all the time. The only thing 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.160 that Tim Andrew did to change it up, think it 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.560 was you weren't even there yet. I don't think it's 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.960 around nineteen eighty three or four. Yeah, he brings in 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.600 an aerobics teacher in mini camp and instead of us 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.040 going through that boiling three day well we called the 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.720 mini camp at that time. Now it's it's OTAs and 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.040 they do yoga. Now, yeah they did, but this was 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.480 this was when they looked like Jane Fonder, you know, yeah, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.640 the stuff. Also, this is how far back we're talking. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.920 They brought out a huge stage on the practice field, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.640 and you know, we're out there acting silly. You know, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.440 we're glad we're not going to practice. So they started 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.120 doing the dancing, the cute little girls and so guys 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.440 start floating and they started acting silly. Those gus went 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.800 on for an hour and a half. Really, it wasn't 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.960 funny after like the thirty minutes funny, no more so 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.640 Tom was over there. You know, he's just watching and 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.400 he didn't like how we were making those remarks early on. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.880 And then all of a sudden was about and I 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.640 was gone. We were like, hey, man, I'm done. We 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.520 can't even get up off off the ground. We can't 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.800 get off the grass. And these girls are still blowing. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.000 They're just out there just bouncing around, and it's hot 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.160 as hell outside and they are moving and for I 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.560 wur to have the last thirty minutes, no one, I 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.720 think all of us were just laying flat on the grass. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.600 That was the only breakup of in monotony. So it's 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.400 not about it wasn't about what we were about. You know, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.160 at that time, no coaches wanted to know your feelings. Yeah, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:49.760 it was so I just I, you know, I greet 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.120 this change. I liked this change. I welcome it. I 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.640 think it's neither, you know, back on the Mojoe moment. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.960 I liked the Mojoe moment in the practice though, because 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.400 I mean, when you think think back at last season, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:05.200 especially early in the season, how many momentum change moments came, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.800 and that was kind of what they're getting at is Okay, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.960 they're they're off doing individual drills or whatever, and then 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.600 they come on the speaker and it's a Mojoe buy 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.280 and now it's usually like a red zone goal line situation. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.360 And now you got to be able to execute this 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.040 right right now, and you got to remember what you're 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.200 supposed to do in that instant, that Mojoe moment, it's 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.240 a trigger, the trigger, and it gets there a titch 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.120 in real quick because usually and it applies to the 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.320 games that changed periods in practice, then they know what's 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.400 coming up and we just kind of over there, right, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.240 we'll be over there in the minute. But Mojoe moment. Yeah, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.760 everybody hustle up right now. Urgency and then when they 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.520 and then when they take a break in practice, it's 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.720 not break time. It's it's a two minute time out. Ah. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.560 I like it the first time, the time like a 0:16:54.600 --> 0:17:00.240 TV time the first time they did it and training, 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.680 or the first time I realized what was going on. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.800 I was like TV time out and I was standing 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.320 close enough to where there was a group of players 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.840 and one guy goes TV time out in practice. But 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.800 it's smart, no idea that it was just break, but 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.120 think about it. It gets you in the mode as 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.760 a player that Okay, it's a three minute TV time 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.280 out whatever. You know exactly what all you have time 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.760 to do in a TV time out? Now you know 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.760 if you have, you've practiced it in practice. And when 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.400 you talk about the Mojoe moment, I mean, of course 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.080 we saw it as you know. Okay, offense get ready, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.680 but now defense also right, Yes, it's momentum changer as 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.400 well against us. So can you turn that tip back again? So? Yeah, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.000 the sense of urgency is a mindset. That's all football 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.760 is about. That's what coach is about. It's a mindset. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.000 You know, I was talking about, how can we change 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.880 things around here? No defensive lineman laying on the ground 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.840 all the time, No linebackers getting cut off because you 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.600 d lineman on holding anybody up. Now, all of a sudden, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.680 you've got this front seven that is totally changed, not 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.399 necessarily personnel, but just the way they're doing things. The 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:11.120 aggressiveness that Dan Quinn is approaching the games with. This 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.000 is the kind of stuff. I'm getting excited about it 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.280 because I saw some guys out there you didn't even 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.919 know their damn names before this game, and they're in 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.000 the backfield making things happen. You got to be proud 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.960 of that as those players, and of course this defense 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.480 changing their whole style of play. They're changing the mindset. Yeah, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.919 and think about you know, the saying about guys you 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.600 didn't know were out there. You know. Hard Knocks reveals 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.879 a story about Azoo Kamara, right, the kid that was 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.440 born in the Ivory Coast and his family ends up 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.000 moving to the States and goes to college at with Arizona. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.520 I think it was Kansas, Kansas, that's right, but they 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.000 ended up in Phoenix. Well, okay, yeah, I know it's 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.080 a long story. No, No, I'll let you finish the story. Yeah, 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.720 but I'm sitting there when he got that sack late 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.280 name exactly, I'm sitting there. I had got I got 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.959 it written right here on my flip card, the Kamara's story. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.840 As I'm doing the game, I want the game to 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.480 come to me. I don't want to force like Kamara 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.119 is in the game earlier, but I don't want to 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.159 force his story. He went to Glendale High School, I 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.600 mean right down the street from that stadium, And in 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.360 my research for the game, I'm going, okay, if Kamara 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.000 Nara does anything in this game, I mean anything in 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.399 this game. I'm telling that story about him and the 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.280 whole thing about his families from Nigeria. What And so 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.479 he comes off the edge, he gets the sack, and 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.600 I'm ready to get in that story. And then Babe says, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:47.280 false start. But you know what, because I'm calling the 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.440 game off. We're situated way in the corner of the stadium, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.680 and so I'm not watching the live action. I didn't 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.240 see the false start because I'm watching like you are 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.920 at home on TV. I'm just looking at the TV monitor. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.240 I see him coming, and I'm starting to tell that story. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.280 Hold on, ball start, And so I can't tell my 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.399 story because then in real time on TV, I got 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.680 to sit there and let the officials. By the time 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.320 we get through all that, there's no time to tell 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.639 the and he didn't have the sag it didn't happen. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.240 And so but it's funny because on Hard Knocks they 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.680 didn't have to do that in real time. They could 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.880 go ahead and tell his entire story. And then at 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.280 the end of it and oh, by the way, it 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.280 was a false start, he didn't care. It was like 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.920 it was like a Hollywood ending for them, right, And 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.200 so you'll you'll appreciate this. So when they when they 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.679 when the you finally saw the flag on the field, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.160 and I was in the press box and I go, well, 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.840 if it was such a false start, why in the 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.000 hell didn't they blow the whistle stop the play? And 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.200 Rob goes, you're gonna argue a preseason penalty. I said, 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:58.200 I'm just a little curious on where that flag dropped 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.120 and at what time they didn't blow the whistle, right, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.160 they should have saved the quarterback, right, and remember that 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.480 was not the game winning field goal, but it was 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.560 the game tying field and that would have won the 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.520 game for the Cowboys. That was the That was the 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.879 biggest play in the game, if you look at it, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.280 that was the biggest play in the game. If they 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.640 don't call that false start, um, then the Cowboys win 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.520 that game. Whatever you know, right, and again it's a 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.040 preseason game, understand that. But here's the other part of that. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.119 Even for coaches like Cliff Kingsbury on the other side, Okay, 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.440 think about it, with the timeouts, I think coaches have to, 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.879 especially a young NFL coach like Kingsbury, he's got to 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.000 treat these preseason games as a laboratory for a regular 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.160 season game, and consider the fact in that situation, even 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.080