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Speaker 2: We were trying to come up with a T shirt

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Speaker 2: yesterday about Todd's driving, and he doesn't, you know, move

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you guys stand with that, gutsy,

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Speaker 2: What did you just set a lot there? That's all

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Speaker 2: happening today. It's all happening today. It's a meat Friday,

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Speaker 2: we'll and remembrance of Todd Fritz in the left lane.

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Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out if passhole is acceptable

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Speaker 2: Football last night Seahawks hold off the Cardinals and Seattle

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Speaker 2: Now three and one on the year, and the questions

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Speaker 2: with the Cardinals remain whether it's Kyler Murray well the

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Speaker 2: overall organization. Marvin Harrison Junior. The third did have a

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Speaker 2: touchdown reception and the Cardinals made it interesting. But Seattle

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Speaker 2: at the Buzzer wins that one and now improves to

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Speaker 2: three and one. Busy schedule coming up this weekend. The

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Speaker 2: Saints are fifteen and a half point underdogs at the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. You don't get a number that big, you know.

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Speaker 2: The NFL prides itself on parody that maybe you'll get

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Speaker 2: upwards of seven, eight, nine points spread, But I saw

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Speaker 2: that with the Saints fifteen and a half point underdog

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo. There's a game coming up this weekend where

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Speaker 2: the points spread has kind of fluctuated a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I find this a fascinating game. It's not a game

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Speaker 2: that people are talking about. It's a college game. If

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Speaker 2: you've got so we have LSU and Ole Miss. We

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Speaker 2: have Oregon, Penn State, Alabama and Georgia. Those are all

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Speaker 2: great games, great matchups. But the game that I find

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Speaker 2: the most interesting is Ohio State and Washington. Because this

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Speaker 2: started out ten and a half for Ohio State giving

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Speaker 2: ten and a half. Now it's down to seven and

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Speaker 2: a half in some places. Something's going on here now.

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Speaker 2: Washington has a good offense. We haven't seen too much

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Speaker 2: from Ohio State since the opening win against Texas. You're

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Speaker 2: on the road and I find this one a fascinating game.

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Speaker 2: But we'll talk about some of the other matchups throughout

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Speaker 2: the show eight seven, seven to three. DP Show operator

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Speaker 2: Tyler is sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Email

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Speaker 2: The Ryder Cup is underway and Team USA is getting

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Speaker 2: roughed up early, and we'll keep an eye on that

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Speaker 2: as well. Chris Simms from Football Night in America will

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Speaker 2: stop by coming up next hour. Seet, what's poll question

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Speaker 2: you're going to go with today? At least for the

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Speaker 2: first hour.

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Speaker 5: I think we've got two of them here for you

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Speaker 5: for the first hour. From Paul NFL franchise that feels

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Speaker 5: least competitive year to year?

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Speaker 2: Is this Recncy bias here with the Arizona Cardinals a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 6: It's like a feel when you watch a team or

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Speaker 6: a franchise year to year, they just feel like they're

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Speaker 6: going to disappoint and the Cardinals are possibly a one seed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they tend to find the banana peal. Now

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Speaker 2: they've had some hot starts, you know where, first half

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Speaker 2: of the season, and then all of a sudden they

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Speaker 2: cooled off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I if I agree about that

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Speaker 5: on the Cardinals, because they there's always a little bit

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Speaker 5: of Man, if they could figure this out though, if

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Speaker 5: Kyler Murray can figure this out, if Man they get

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Speaker 5: they just get a superstar wide receiver, maybe they could

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Speaker 5: figure that. There's always a little bit like Man, they're

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Speaker 5: like a they're right there about being super competitive and

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Speaker 5: then it just doesn't work. They're not the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Would you well, okay, would you rather be a Cardinal

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Speaker 2: fan or a Browns fan? Cardinals fan all day? All right, Todd,

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Speaker 2: I think I'd rather be.

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Speaker 3: A Browns fan because you've got the dog pound and

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Speaker 3: people who look genuinely passionate about their team. Arizona, they're

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Speaker 3: in the sun and the desert. I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 3: they took shots to the stateium. I don'lso really see

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Speaker 3: that Arizona sports fan crazy passion that I'd want to

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Speaker 3: be surrounded by.

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Speaker 4: At the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Well, sun and desert don't impact the game, because no, But.

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Speaker 3: Like there's other things to do. When you're enjoying the sunshine,

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Speaker 3: you're kind of mellow. You don't hear about the crazy

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Speaker 3: Arizona fans then much, but you do hear about the dog.

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Speaker 2: Fan, Marvin Cardinal fan or Browns fan.

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Speaker 4: Rather be a Cardinals fan, all right, Paul, this is

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Speaker 4: a tough one.

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Speaker 6: The Cardinals have made the postseason six times in the

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Speaker 6: past forty years. That's a whole horrible percentage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather be a Browns fan.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Browns fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 6: Fritzy had a point. They feel more into football. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's passion there as a franchise. Yes, not the fan base.

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Speaker 2: I'm not big on. Well, you know, I thought the whole.

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Speaker 5: Point of this discussion that Todd just had was about

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Speaker 5: the fan base.

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Speaker 6: I would say more so like the ownership. They're both

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Speaker 6: bad ownerships. But the Cardinals have a history of not investing.

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Speaker 2: Well, we keep waiting for Kyler Murray. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what we're expecting to see. Marvin Harrison. You know, Herbie

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Speaker 2: was talking about this last night. This was a big

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Speaker 2: topic and rightfully. So this this was a can't miss.

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Speaker 2: Your dad's a Hall of Famer, and you look to

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Speaker 2: be bigger and better and stronger and faster, and it

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Speaker 2: hasn't happened. Now. His numbers his rookie year weren't bad,

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Speaker 2: but he's supposed to be great. And he stopped on

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Speaker 2: a route that led to an interception. He had a

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Speaker 2: big drop. Now I did have a really good touchdown reception,

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Speaker 2: but you're supposed to have these things. You're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be great. And maybe because you're at Ohio State, everything

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Speaker 2: is open. Don't have to worry about here in footsteps.

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Speaker 2: But this is a standalone game. And I said this

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Speaker 2: depending on how well he played a standalone game. And

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison maybe that's the first time you've seen him play.

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Speaker 2: Talent's there, Kyler Murray. What did he get sacked seven

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Speaker 2: times last time and last night? Six times last night?

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that's on the quarterback as well. That's

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Speaker 2: not just the offensive line. That is quarterback trying to

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Speaker 2: do maybe too much. You find a lot of these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's where it's kind of an optical illusion

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Speaker 2: where man, how did that guy? How did Cato Williams

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Speaker 2: get sacked sixty eight times? Isn't he athletic? Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: got sacked what seven times the other night? Well, they're

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Speaker 2: trying to keep a play alive too long, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: you know that athleticism comes back to haunt you. But

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Speaker 2: for the Cardinals in that division, you know, because the

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Speaker 2: Niners are undefeated, the Rams are going to be there

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And Seattle's three and one, so the

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Speaker 2: margin for air and you haven't beaten Seattle since twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. But it's just not an inspiring franchise there.

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Speaker 2: What's the other poll question? Seton?

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Speaker 5: The other one we got here? Is the Vikings letting

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Speaker 5: Sam Darnald leave was the right decision at the time

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Speaker 5: or will come back to haunt them?

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Speaker 2: No, it's the right decision. We saw when you need

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnald to be great, what happened those last two

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Speaker 2: games of the regular season and postseason didn't go well.

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Speaker 2: Do I think he's a bridge quarterback in Seattle? I do,

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Speaker 2: and it might just be a one year deal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe could be their starting quarterback. But I don't

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Speaker 2: went to the Jets. He had a really good career

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Speaker 2: at USC, but you know, he got kicked around in

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Speaker 2: to another place, and now I have this epiphany. He

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Speaker 2: had stops along the way. Do I think he's capable

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Speaker 2: of leading them to the playoffs. I do, but I

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Speaker 2: don't look at him the way I look at, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of these other franchise quarterbacks. And it's probably it's

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Speaker 2: it says three year deal, it's really a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: And I think the Vikings they made, you know, they

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Speaker 2: made that decision when they drafted JJ McCarthy that they

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Speaker 2: from Kirk Cousins. And they're all in on JJ McCarthy. Now,

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Speaker 2: unless JJ McCarthy is going to be injury prone his

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Speaker 2: entire career, then I don't Minnesota made the right decision.

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, they made the right decision, and you

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Speaker 2: get that rookie contract with JJ McCarthy, he just hasked

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Speaker 2: to stay healthy do I think he should be a

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Speaker 2: better quarterback than Sam Darnold. Yes, but if Sam can

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Speaker 2: kind of just not make mistakes. And last night was

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Speaker 2: just hey, just go out there, get a touchdown, touchdown,

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Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns, no interceptions, and maintain manage a game.

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Speaker 2: That's all. So we'll get to your phone calls coming up.

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Speaker 2: Here is the This is one of those games last

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Speaker 2: night where you didn't know who the coaches were, or

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Speaker 2: you might not know who the coaches were. So when

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon is being interviewed at halftime and they're booing

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Speaker 2: him and he hung in there, and who was doing

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Speaker 2: the sideline Lizy hartin, Yes, Hey, kudos to you because

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Speaker 2: you brought up the booze that were happening in the

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Speaker 2: moment there to the coach there booing wonderful. But Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Gannon and then uh, Seattle's head coach is Mike McDonald,

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Speaker 2: And Mike McDonald and he talked about how the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: executed late in the game to win for us.

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Speaker 7: It was just like, all right, hey, look we're on

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Speaker 7: you know, we're identifying the two minute situation and Ad

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Speaker 7: and the guys are talking to the guys on the

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Speaker 7: about our overtime plan. It was just kind of like, hey,

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Speaker 7: what's what's next. Clink called some great plays. We had

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Speaker 7: a great protection that's in that series. You're fortunate with

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Speaker 2: that last night. Buddha in San Francisco. Hi, Buddha, welcome back.

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Speaker 10: No buddy, happy to meet. Friday boys live every day

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Speaker 2: Colby in California, Hi Colby, but.

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Speaker 2: Where he was in Seattle, and he was there rookie contract,

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Speaker 2: third round, Pete Carroll saw enough in him that he said, hey,

435
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Speaker 2: you're going to be my starter. You had a veteran team,

436
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Speaker 2: certainly defensively, you had a couple of offensive weapons, certainly

437
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Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch. You had a couple of really good offensive

438
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Speaker 2: linemen there. And Russ did what you would want your

439
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: quarterback to do in that situation, not lose games, occasionally

440
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Speaker 2: have some magic there. You won a Super Bowl, nearly

441
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Speaker 2: won another Super Bowl, and he's gone to ten Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Now you can say, was he an alternate last year

443
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Speaker 2: for the Pro Bowl? Now, I don't know when's the

444
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: last time he was a Pro Bowl quarterback? If we

445
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Speaker 2: could check on that.

446
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a true Pro Bowl quarterback twenty twenty one in Seattle.

447
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Speaker 6: He was an alternate last year. Last year he had

448
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Speaker 6: sixteen touchdowns and five picks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Pro Bowl is not what it once was,

450
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Speaker 2: but that's only been over the last couple of years.

451
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Speaker 2: Let's say Russ has nine legitimate Pro Bowls, Okay, nine

452
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Speaker 2: in Seattle, nine in like eleven years something like that.

453
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive. And you won a super Bowl. I

454
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: think because he is viewed as losing a super Bowl,

455
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: he threw the past you lost to super Bowl. That

456
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: brings him down a notch. He did more for Seattle

457
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Speaker 2: that year than Peyton did the year in Denver when

458
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: they won a super Bowl, but Peyton's given credit for

459
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Speaker 2: two super Bowls there. Last night, Tony Gonzalez was asked

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Speaker 2: by Carrissa Thompson about Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 4: Honest, I hope we have.

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Speaker 13: And I say that because I just looking at him

464
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Speaker 13: and his career, his legacy. Like you talked about, if

465
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Speaker 13: ever there was somebody who played himself out of a.

466
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, it's Russell Wilson.

467
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Speaker 13: Well, when I say that, because look at what's what's

468
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Speaker 13: happened ever since he left Seattle.

469
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Speaker 4: When he was in seat he was the man. He

470
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Speaker 4: was making these good plays. He won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: with the two of them.

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Speaker 13: But as soon as he left there, he went the

473
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Speaker 13: din Verse on that big old deal.

474
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Speaker 2: They paid him thirty nine million dollars to leave.

475
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Speaker 4: He goes to Pittsburgh, slays there.

476
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Speaker 13: One year, he's out of there, and now he goes

477
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 13: here and has three games.

478
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Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.

479
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Speaker 13: And I don't want to see him on a sideline

480
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Speaker 13: holding the clipboard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here is Richard Sherman, former teammate of Russell Wilson.

482
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Speaker 4: I think you got a judge his career off.

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Speaker 14: When the legion of Boom was there, you had a

484
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Speaker 14: legendary defense and all time defense, and how much success

485
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Speaker 14: he had, and then without that legendary defense, the success

486
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Speaker 14: he had without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven,

487
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 14: seven and eight. How in three to start with the

488
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 14: Giants like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle,

489
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 14: and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this

490
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 14: good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to

491
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Speaker 14: go on your own and you get to proved, Hey,

492
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Speaker 14: I'm this great quarterback. I'm this guy that's gonna be dominant,

493
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Speaker 14: and it just hasn't worked.

494
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Speaker 4: Out that way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is revision is history. The legion of Boom

496
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: went away when Russ was twenty seven. You can you

497
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: can point towards the last three years. How about we

498
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Speaker 2: be fair to what he did in Seattle, because that's

499
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Speaker 2: what this is about. And once you're in, aren't you

500
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: in in the Hall of fame? Unless there's a scandal.

501
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like you're going to play your way

502
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Speaker 2: out of it. Now. Have I brought up this question

503
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: absolutely to be fair to the topic. I have said,

504
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: is he playing his way out of it? My job

505
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: is to ask the question. Your opinion could be, of

506
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: course not. But I think you got to be careful

507
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: with what Russ did in Seattle after the legs in

508
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: the Boom and because of Russ's contract, you were able

509
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Speaker 2: to keep players a little bit longer because he was

510
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Speaker 2: on that rookie deal.

511
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulmy, you're exactly right on the defense in Seattle

512
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Speaker 6: when Russ was there, Russell Wilson's first five years in Seattle,

513
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 6: they had a top three defense every year. His last

514
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Speaker 6: five years in Seattle, they didn't have a top ten

515
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 6: defense in any of those seasons.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two different eras, But I think you got

517
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Speaker 2: to be fair to him, and I don't think people are.

518
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: Now is he different? Is he odd? Yes? But he

519
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: was still great in Seattle. He did what you want

520
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: a quarterback to do. What do you need me to do? Now?

521
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: How many times did we watch a Seattle game and

522
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: the score would be like seventeen to fifteen, and then

523
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll would go, I don't know, Russ pull this out?

524
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: And he would he had that one pass, that one

525
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: pass it's and once again the pass was on the numbers.

526
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Speaker 2: You know, you just had Malcolm Butler who made an

527
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history, football history.

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Speaker 8: Yes, marm Did we consider Russell Wilson a First Battle

529
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Speaker 8: Hall of Famer at the end of his reign a Seattle?

530
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Speaker 2: No, but there are quarterbacks who have put up less

531
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Speaker 2: numbers than him. Eli's regular season is not good at all.

532
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: It is is average. His record is five hundred, that's average.

533
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: He won two incredible Super Bowls. He was MVP, even

534
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: though on one of those the defensive line should have

535
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: been MV pick. But he got two of those and

536
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: had two incredible runs. We're trying to bring Eli into

537
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: the Russell conversation or vice versa. Eli stands on his own.

538
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be about Russell Wilson and Russ shouldn't be

539
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: about Eli Manning. But that's it feels like that's that's

540
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: the conversation now, Yes, yeah.

541
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Speaker 5: Because if that pick doesn't happen, they're the exact scene.

542
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: Well, no, Russ is a would be considered a far,

543
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: in my opinion, far better quarterback than Eli.

544
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but if for Us has that second ring, then

545
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 5: he's in no questions. Absolutely, that's the comparison Eli getting

546
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: that second ring and beating the Patriots.

547
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: That gets him in for sure.

548
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: No problem.

549
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: And Eli made the Pro Bowl four times and he

550
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: led the league and interceptions a couple of times three times.

551
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have any problem with Eli being

552
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. He's going to be. You know

553
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: his name. You beat Belichick and Brady twice. Okay, played

554
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: a long time, he was durable. He played in over

555
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: two hundred consecutive games. But Russ is a Hall of Famer.

556
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: I know he's tailed off here. He's playing for a

557
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: bad team Pittsburgh. They went to the playoffs Denver, and

558
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: that was a bad move by Denver, and Sean Payton

559
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: quickly realized that, Yeah, PAULI the.

560
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Speaker 6: Comp on this is almost like an actor, like a

561
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 6: guy like ne Liam Neeson was once considered one of

562
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 6: the top actors in the world, and like he was

563
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 6: in the most serious movies. He won awards. Then he

564
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 6: kind of changed directions at the end of the career

565
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 6: and it was different. It's not the same stuff. It's

566
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 6: like just because an actor or even a musician changes

567
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 6: what they do in the back half of their career,

568
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: it doesn't take away from the first half. And it's

569
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Speaker 6: almost like these guys last night were looking in through

570
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 6: the lens of Russell Wilson and as a giant and

571
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 6: they can't see the past the ten years in Seattle.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's different comps here if you're

573
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: trying to do that. I mean, is he a Ben

574
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: Roethlisberger kind of quarterback here? Roethlisberger was carried to that

575
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: first Super Bowl and Jerome Bettis and Heinz Board have

576
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: talked about that, how he was scared to death in

577
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: that first Super Bowl. But you know he put up

578
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: great numbers here.

579
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's tough to ask a former teammate

580
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: who played on the defense to be impartial about certain

581
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: conversations because in his mind, I mean, Richard Sherman's reaction

582
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: to that interception is almost as famous as the play itself, right,

583
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 5: and he's like, no, man, because if it wasn't for that, dude,

584
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: we would have won. The defense is what carried us

585
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: all these years. We're the ones that did this, and

586
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 5: the whole story the whole time was yeah, legion of

587
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 5: Boom was whatever. But now let Russ cook, what about

588
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: russ Man, take the training wheels off, Russ, let him go,

589
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 5: do what you think. And meanwhile, you know, people like

590
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 5: Richard Sherman are like, no, dude, Like we carried that dude,

591
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: I kind of. I think it's difficult to ask people

592
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: who are in the situation to not have an opinion,

593
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: a strong opinion about it.

594
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: Be fair, rich the leechion of Boom has gotten a

595
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: ton of credit, a ton of credit nobody is bypassing

596
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: them and saying they weren't impactful. One of the great

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: secondaries we have ever seen in the NFL. So they've

598
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: gotten their flowers here and you got Earl Thomas and

599
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Richard Sherman, who probably Hall of famers Cam Chancellor was wonderful.

600
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: Here's the last five years in Seattle for Russell Wilson

601
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: touchdowns and interceptions thirty four and eleven, thirty five and

602
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: seven thirty one in five, forty and thirteen and twenty

603
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: five and six. Only Aaron Rodgers was better over that

604
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: period touchdown to interception ratio. I think you look at

605
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: today and you're not being fair to what Russ was

606
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: without the legion of Boom, because the legion of Boom

607
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: wasn't there after he was twenty seven, he's thirty six now.

608
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Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, going back to Roethlisberger, the same point that

609
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 8: you made with Eli. Ben Roethlisberger became a Hall of

610
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 8: Famer because of a unbelievable Super Bowl against the Cardinals.

611
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 8: And I think that's the big distinction, is the one

612
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 8: Super Bowl versus the two Super Bowls with Eli and Ben.

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Speaker 2: But nobody says, boy, the Steelers had an unbelievable defense.

614
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean, right, and James Harrison had one of the best. Yes, yes,

615
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: James Harrison's interception at the end of the first half.

616
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Speaker 8: But I think Ben Roethlisberger had that unbelievable pass that

617
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 8: how many people can make.

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: Okay, he had an unbelievable pass that was an unbelievable

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Speaker 2: two minute duo. Absolutely, I mean, Ben's a Hall of Famer.

620
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: I just.

621
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that, you know the tail end? What if

622
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: Russ started his career right now the way he's ending

623
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Speaker 2: it and then flipped it around.

624
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Speaker 4: He's in like Matthew Stafford.

625
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: Yes, we're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable. But

626
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: we look at the tail end, and you know when

627
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: we see Willie May's falling down in centerfield as a

628
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: met well, yeah, do I remember it?

629
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Speaker 11: Yes?

630
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Speaker 2: But I also remember might have been the greatest talent

631
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Speaker 2: I ever saw in a baseball field.

632
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulin the two years that Ben Roethlisberger won a

633
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 6: Super Bowl with the Steelers, they had the third ranked

634
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 6: defense in the league and the first ranked defense.

635
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: In the league.

636
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but nobody brings that up, no context. No, that's

637
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: that's all I think Richard needs to at least say, hey,

638
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: I don't have the best relationship with Russ. Maybe I

639
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: can't be impartial here. Tony Gonzalez can say whatever he wants.

640
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean, these are their opinions, and they played the game,

641
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: and you know, you had Richard who played with Ross.

642
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: I understand that. Let's just remember the numbers here and

643
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: how the team performed.

644
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: You know, if you look at say like twenty twelve,

645
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: the Seahawks averaged about twenty five points a game on

646
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 5: offense and gave up fifteen points. If you go ten

647
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 5: years later, well not quite ten years later, but if

648
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 5: you go to say twenty nineteen, they were averaging twenty

649
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: five points a game, still on offense, but giving up

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Speaker 5: twenty five points a game on defense. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: like the whole story just based on that. To me,

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson and that offense stayed exactly the same through

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Speaker 5: his entire tenure there. The only difference was the defense

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Speaker 5: started giving up too many points for him to overcome.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, if you go back to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 6: Patriots versus Seattle, the Luminaries that Russell Wilson was throwing to,

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Speaker 6: Chris Matthews, Ricardo Lockette, Jermaine Curse, Doug Baldwin and Brian

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Speaker 6: Walters and Gronkowski and Edlman were on the other side.

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Speaker 2: And Brady Yeah, yeah, maybe you heard of him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting topic. I just think it's easy to

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Speaker 2: dismiss us russ now and forget about what he did before. Yes, Martin, if.

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Speaker 8: Russe Wilson had an MVP award, would this not even

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Speaker 8: be a discussion, Because I think the big difference is

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Speaker 8: when we say, like Peyton Manning, he didn't have a

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Speaker 8: great ending in Denver, but he had MVP awards. Would

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Speaker 8: that be a big difference. Also, Pro Bowls might be

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Speaker 8: Pro Bowls versus all pros are a different you know, stratosphere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at super Bowls and super Bowl

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Speaker 2: MVPs for quarterbacks, I mean that's our regular season MVPs. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's probably the category that you use. You add that

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Speaker 2: up and that I mean, look at Brady the number

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Speaker 2: of super Bowl wins, the number of super Bowl MVPs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times he was a regular

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Speaker 2: season MVP, but it's probably the total is fifteen of

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Speaker 2: MVP super Bowl and regular season MVP. That's that dwarfs everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's double what Peyton. Peyton had what five MVPs he

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Speaker 2: had two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paulie, this is a question answer after the break,

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Speaker 6: who will have an easier time getting in the Hall

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Speaker 6: of Fame, Russell Wilson or Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break. Play the day is up next.

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Speaker 4: It is off the top.

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Speaker 2: The second home.

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Speaker 10: Run for Freddie Freeman in the game and the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: on your mind today?

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Speaker 15: Hi Dan?

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Speaker 10: Hi Mel, I just bye.

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Speaker 15: I just wanted to call in and say that I

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Speaker 15: think you guys were so mean to Todd the other

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Speaker 15: day about his driving, because I understood exactly what he

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Speaker 15: was saying. He's gone the speed limit, he's in the

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Speaker 15: left lane, somebody's on his tail. Well, if that person

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Speaker 15: needs to go faster, maybe that person should go into

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Speaker 15: the right lane, or that person should have left earlier.

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Speaker 15: And another thing, Dan, you especially mentioned how grandmothers dry.

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Speaker 15: And I'm a grandmother, Dan, and I thought, when I

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Speaker 15: have to go on the highway, I always go the

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Speaker 15: speed limit.

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Speaker 2: Mel Mel. Todd brought up grandmothers, not me. Todd made

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Speaker 2: fun of grandmother's, not me.

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Speaker 11: Todd.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so mean to Todd because he makes fun

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Speaker 2: of grandmother should not have made.

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Speaker 4: A sweeping statement, but it does.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes at a certain age, everyone they're afraid to drive

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Speaker 3: a little, but they're going like thirty five forty.

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Speaker 2: On the highway. I go and that can cause that's

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Speaker 2: all you have to do is say I'm sorry, Tom,

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Speaker 2: but now stuck up for me with the left. Well,

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Speaker 2: now she's not because she's a grandmother. I'm sorry Mel

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Speaker 2: that we pick on Todd, even though Todd deserves it.

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Speaker 15: I love you, guys. I listen. I listen to your

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Speaker 15: sports show every morning on the radio, and I love

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Speaker 15: listening to you. But I I that's a Todd maybe

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Speaker 15: because I am a grandmother.

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Speaker 2: Even though he was making fun of grandmothers. But thank you, Mel,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 4: See Ton, not all grandmothers. Mel's fine.

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Speaker 3: The rest of them grandmothers and grandfather go a little

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Speaker 3: faster on the highway.

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Speaker 2: All right, we tease this going into the commercial break, PAULI,

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Speaker 2: would you pose the question again?

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Speaker 6: Okay, who will have an easier time getting into the

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Speaker 6: Pro Football Hall of Fame? An easier time? Philip Rivers

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Speaker 6: or Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Philip Rivers might have an easier time,

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Speaker 2: even though Russ should get an easier His resume is better.

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Speaker 6: Phil Rivers went to eight Pro Bowls as a Charger.

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Speaker 6: He once appeared in an AFC title game. He has

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Speaker 6: never made All Pro, he was never an MVP. Lots

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Speaker 6: of yards, lots of touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and if you put both of them in,

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Speaker 2: I'm fine, But if you say who should have an

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Speaker 2: easier time, I would think Russ, But not with what's

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Speaker 2: happened in the last couple of years. And this sentiment

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Speaker 2: is starting to build up. You know, you have to

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Speaker 2: do a deep dive and do a deep dive on

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Speaker 2: you know, Philip Rivers as well. But I would say

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Speaker 2: that Russ should. But feels like Philip Rivers will.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, remember back in the day, and you can help

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Speaker 6: with this because you covered these teams. Phil Simms of

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Speaker 6: the Giants, everyone said if he had a second Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: he'd probably be a Hall of Famer. Is that the

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Speaker 6: conventional wisdom? Yes, he was a one time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 6: He was a very tough, popular quarterback, but never a

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Speaker 6: great stat guy. And he won one Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: If he won that Super Bowl that Jeff Hastetler was

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Speaker 2: the quarterback of then, I think Phil Simms playing in

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Speaker 2: New York, playing for the Giants would be a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer.

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Speaker 6: And it's wild that Russell needed one more pass completion

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Speaker 6: to be maybe first ballot.

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Speaker 2: Just hand the ball offt to more sh someone, just

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Speaker 2: hand it off to it.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 2: I remember that I'm right under the goalpost because the

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Speaker 2: game is going to end, Seattle's going to win the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I got to be up on the podium

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Speaker 2: to hand out the trophy, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: he went back to pass and I went, oh, bleep.

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Speaker 2: And my producer Ron Vacuero of NBC was there with me,

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Speaker 2: and we just thought the pass got knocked down. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, you lived to you know, call another play.

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Speaker 2: And then he said, no, they got an interception. And

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden comes out with the ball and

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Speaker 2: I go, they just lost the super Bowl. They just

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Speaker 2: lost the Super Bowl. All right. One hour in the books,

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Speaker 2: two more to go. In this Meet Friday, Chris Sim's

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Speaker 2: on loan from Pro Football Talk and Football Night in America.

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Speaker 2: More of your phone calls as well more ideas on

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Speaker 2: our Fritzy T shirt. I have that for you coming

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Speaker 2: up as well. Todd's here seat and Marv Paula yours

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Speaker 2: truly and the back room guys. Dan Patrick Show