WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 090421 Ramses Ja & Q Ward 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Welcome to another episode of Civic Sipher. I'm your host, 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:04.120 Rams is Jah. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:05.640 I'm gonna call them q war. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.720 I'm gonna call them q war. Hey, I ain't mad 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.240 at that one bit. What's going on, Q? What's going on? Rams? 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.440 Everything in the world. We've got some more stuff to 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.119 talk about today. Some things that have have kind of 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.400 troubled us this week, I think it's safe to say that, 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.600 but some some things that also feel pretty pretty good. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.000 There's a lot of optimism in today's show, which is 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.360 a rarity around here. So you know, we're getting both sides, 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.360 which I think is standard forward for us. So some 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.320 of those things and some reasons to stick around include 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:49.559 we're definitely gonna talk about some statistics that are often 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:59.720 skewed and sold to moderates in America to deepen their 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.200 app with the with respect to you know, black people 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.840 and the plight of black and brown individuals in this country. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.320 We're gonna spend a good amount of time talking about that. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.120 But you know, it really came about as an idea 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.200 when we came across a video, a TikTok video of 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.840 all places from someone named cap without a Country. So again, 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.480 we're gonna spend some time talking about that. We're also 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:29.119 gonna talk about Target and how Target became cozy with 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.720 the cops and what that's meant for black and brown neighborhoods, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.440 and you know, the state of the world since then. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.759 And we also have a quote from Kimberly Jones we're 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.800 gonna check out as well that I think you definitely 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:48.120 want to stick around for that. I think we're gonna 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.440 have to get into the ebony excellent stuff first, So 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.960 let's do that, q all, no matter what. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.840 So, we were reading about the smith Sonian and the 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:07.080 way that they decided to frame our most celebrated art form, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.720 and I think it's safe to say now the most 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.359 popular and powerful genre of music on earth, and that 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:17.359 is hip hop. There's a lot of things that were 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.640 in the piece that we shared with each other, but 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.000 the thing that stood out the most to me is 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.800 that the Smithsonian did not decide to take a stance 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.400 of where the experts on this thing, let us present 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.519 it to you. They really relied on the people who 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.320 live the culture and who are a part of it 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.079 to present that story to the masses. And they taken 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:43.440 a stance similar to the way journalists were treated in 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.480 the wake and even in the process of the Vietnam War, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.160 where the country felt a certain way about it, but 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.399 the journalists and photographers more specifically had to go over 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.000 and cover the worst parts of it and show it 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.600 to the world, the truth of it, so that people 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.760 could be as appalled by it if they needed to be, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.280 and bring it into what many people thought was an 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.880 unjust war. They used Tupac as an example of the 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.959 violence and the things that are portrayed in hip hop 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.520 that people have always saw as a negative, and Tupac 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.959 was saying well, he used an example of someone knocking 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.079 at your door and not being able to get an answer. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.360 The longer you knocked with no answer, the harder you knock. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.240 And by sharing what our truths were with the world, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.960 Tupac specifically felt that if the world could see the 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.120 worst parts of our life, the true worst parts of 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.480 our life, that they would get the attention that they 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.280 deserved and much liked the Vietnam War, they were being 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.680 a lot of effort made to bring an end to 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.640 those things. Unfortunately, the victims of these very harsh truths 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.920 and hip hop looked like me and you, so it 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.160 was not met with the urgency that I think he 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.320 and people like Public Enemy really hoped and thought they 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.360 would be. But the Smithsonian choosing to display hip hop 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.640 as an art in prison, entering that to the world 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.200 as a space for truth. I appreciate what I read. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.400 Man well, big shout out to the Smithsonian and doctor 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:17.200 Dwindlen Reese and uh, I really like that. You know, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.839 there's there's a lot of pain in in the in 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.320 the black story, in this in this country, there's a 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:27.440 lot of struggle, but there's also a lot of perseverance, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.799 a lot of triumph. And you know, for that story 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.279 to be not only a Black story, but an American story, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.799 and to have it be told for decades by people 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.800 who have created a whole culture around this style of music, dress, talk, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:49.039 and so forth, I feel like that is remarkable and 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.800 certainly worthy of Ebony excellence. So very glad that we 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:59.720 could share that with you today. So moving on Cap 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:04.800 without Country on TikTok check that out if you have TikTok. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.760 It occurred to us that we had never done a 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:15.680 show to really meet with the opposition. If you will, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.560 what is the opposite of our show? What is the 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:25.480 very pro white If you will, that sounds weird, but 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.600 trust me, there are shows like that. You recall to 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.320 us driving through I want to say it was Alabama 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.360 or Mississippi. There were They're advertised as pro white radio shows, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.240 and we actually tuned in and listened to them. I'm 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:43.000 sure there are shows out there that purport certain facts 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:48.000 or not facts I use the term loosely, but alternative 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:53.760 facts or statistics or whatever, and they're skewed or misrepresented 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.560 in a way that tells a story to folks who 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.960 really need to feel like they're victims and that black 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:13.120 people are what's the word I'm looking for, unfairly victimizing ourselves. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.520 I suppose, you know, or playing the victim role, and 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.239 we're all on welfare and we just think we deserve 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.920 and we want everything free. And there's programs and there's 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.719 you know, there's things on the internet, there's memes, there's 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.560 you know, articles and all the sort of stuff that 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:33.200 shared that helps sell that idea to people who really 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.479 need that information. They don't need it, of course, but 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.360 they really want it. They want the world to feel 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.599 like everything around them is a result of other people 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.800 taking things from them. And we never created an episode 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.640 where we could talk about some of those statistics, because 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.360 you know, if you're listening to this show, there there 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.240 might be have been a time or two when you've 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.880 come across some statistics that say black people statistically are this, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.480 that or the other more likely to be doing this, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.400 that or the other, and you know, your heart might 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.360 go out to it, and you might think in your mind, okay, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.159 that maybe there's a reason for it, maybe there's more 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.040 to it, and it's really up to us to flesh 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.680 out that full dialogue. And that's what we plan on 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.600 doing today. And again, it occurred to us when we 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:23.200 were looking at this Cap Without a Country's TikTok page. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:29.600 So one of the myths that you know, the host 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:36.080 of the page mentioned was the thirteen fifty myth for 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:40.440 the my favorite. Yeah, for those that don't know, Honestly, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.960 this was new to me. I never heard of the 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.480 thirteen fifty myth. I'd never heard of it. And that's 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.480 I'm sure it's surprising to you, but. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.600 I think you may have heard of it, you just 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.080 never heard it branded like that. Yeah, it's never it 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.120 was never given a name a name. I have talked 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.240 about those statistics before. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.160 Sure, sure, of course, So for those who don't know 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:03.120 this thirteen to fifty myth is purported as fact by 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.920 the other side, where the way that it's suggested is 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.920 that half of the violent crime comes from thirteen percent 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.360 of the population or black people, because black people make 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.560 up approximately thirteen percent of the population, and so because 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.400 they're saying half the violent crime in the country comes 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.040 from black people, they're painting with such broad strokes there 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:32.200 that to a person listening it creates fear of black people. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.720 It's almost like one in every two black people is 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.440 going to attack you or something like that. You know, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.400 for people that don't take time to really sit with 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.960 the numbers of the logic or anything like that, it 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:48.880 sounds very scary. And to the people who really need 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.480 things like this to be true so that they can 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.679 continue to hold up their white supremacist views of the 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.239 world or to continue to live comfortably in a world 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.079 where white supremacy so ports their lifestyle or causes them 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:09.280 to live more comfortably, these statistics are very much well received, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.040 but they're flawed. Now, I feel like you might have 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:13.960 want to jump in there. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.079 No I do I smile when you said flawed because 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:23.240 they're like intentionally false, right, right, like more than flawed, Like, okay, 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.920 they're lies exactly almost directly lies. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.560 Well, so here's you're absolute right, one hundred percent right, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:38.680 because a half truth is a lie. Anything that's not 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.520 the full truth is a lie. You know, it's intentionally misleading, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.199 and it misrepresents the reality of the situation. The reality 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.640 of the situation really uncovers the source of a lot 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.079 of problems that really are at the root of not 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.640 just black people's day to day lives, but poor people's 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.160 day to day lives. Right, And once you actually take 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.840 all of the optics and all of the statistics and 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.840 put them in the same bowl and mix it all together, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:13.720 what you have doesn't really support a white supremacist agenda anymore. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.280 And so this is why people are scared of the 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:22.040 whole truth and the half truths and the misrepresentation of 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.640 the reality is a little bit more comfortable for them, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.480 and I'm a little bit more palatable. So allow me 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:35.000 to explain. So again, there's this thirteen fifty rule, we'll 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.480 call it a myth on our show that says that 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.439 half the violent crime comes from black people. Thirteen percent 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.640 of the population, Black people commits half of the violent 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.040 crime The truth of the matter is that black people 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:54.200 account for fifty percent of arrests of violent crimes. Now, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.960 that might not change much so far, but allow me 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.560 to continue again, black people account for fifty percent of 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.160 arrests of violent crimes. Now, when you factor in that 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.720 black people are five times more likely to be arrested, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:18.120 six times more likely to be convicted, fifty percent more 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:23.920 likely to be wrongfully convicted, and sentenced to twenty percent 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:29.200 longer convictions than white violent criminals, now you begin to 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:35.360 see things level out a bit more. One of the 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.720 things that we've talked about on this show is over 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.160 policing and this TikTok page, this cap without a Country. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:44.680 I want to make sure I shout this out because 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.400 if you're into, you know, this sort of stuff, if 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:55.000 this kind of help empowers your narrative, then you should 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.560 definitely like lock in if you're on TikTok. But one 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:59.960 of the things that we talk about on the show 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:08.760 is the way that black people interact with the criminal 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.600 justice system with policing and so forth, and really policing 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:19.400 in this instance, if let's say there will make an 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.439 imaginary city, I'm going to explain to you how over 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.360 policing works. We'll make an imaginary city, and we'll divide 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.280 the city east and west, and all the black people 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.360 live on the west side, and all the white people 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.880 live on the east side, right, And then there's a 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:39.800 police force, right that has to patrol this whole city. Now, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.160 if eighty percent of the police patrol the west side 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.040 and twenty patrol the east side, then you would imagine 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.120 that most of the arrests will be made where there 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.200 are police, where most of the police are, right. And 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.120 so that is a quick and dirty way of illuminating 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:01.559 what over policing is. The reason for that is it's 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.880 kind of like a self It's like a snake eating 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.960 its own tail. You know. It's a vicious cycle where 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:17.120 the fear of black people creates this demand for more police, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:23.920 and more police creates more arrests without actually dealing with 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.880 the source of a lot of those crimes, right, And 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.440 then what ends up getting married is black people in 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.520 crime in people's minds as opposed to poverty and crime, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:38.679 which is really the source of a lot of the 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.000 issues that happen in all cities around the world, but 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.600 in this country it's very much a black and white problem. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.000 If you follow the money, and so instead of people 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.320 dealing with economic inequalities, we deal with black people and 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.360 white people, which is how this thirteen fifty statistic can 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.880 come about. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.400 And it's weird, not even weird, it's cruel the way 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:10.520 they manipulate the numbers, right, because poverty and over policing 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.640 leads to more rest, right, And they use the number 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.679 of rest to justify that there's more crime happening here, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.400 not that there's more time and money and resources being 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.280 spent on police in this area where the people are 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.760 poor and impovered. And like you said, listening to you 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.920 explain that cycle, I'm so glad you put that simple, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.880 because it is that easy to understand. If you're putting 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.600 more police in this area where the people are more poor, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.320 and your police have been conditioned to look at them 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.640 as criminal before they even arrive, they arrest them more, 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.440 thus justifying the over policing, like, hey, we're resting way 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.960 more people here. We might even need to put more police. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:55.640 So it is really. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.400 It's an intentional cycle though, And that's the thing. And 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.120 people can't see me. I'm smiling now. Sometimes I smile 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.520 so I don't curse, or so I don't start pointing stuff. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:13.120 It's intentional. Right, Let's make sure that we have more 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.400 police in this area where we think these people are, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.520 by nature of birth more likely to be criminals, and 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.800 then once we arrest them more we can point to 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.480 that and say, see, look what we were right, There 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.400 are more criminals here. So let's spend more money on 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.280 police in this area next year instead of more money 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.440 on community centers and arts and programs to get kids 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.280 off the street and doing something to feel the void 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.960 or the vacuum that comes with growing up where we 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:47.920 have so much less and less resources, less money, less opportunity, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:56.680 leads to people doing things that are not considered good 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.680 just in order to survive. I don't know, man, I 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.920 talk to you guys a lot, just about the things 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.440 that we share and the things that we see in 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:12.120 the group in preparation for the show, and you guys 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:16.920 see me. I'm less encouraged by the day. It seems 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.560 we really have been put in a position where succeeding 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:28.960 and having our people as a whole move forward feels 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.160 less realistic to me. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:30.680 Every week. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.000 It's becoming really, really, really discouraging, because once upon a 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.320 time it did feel like we were making so much progress. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.680 Well, hanging there cue. I'm always trying, man, I'm trying there. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.520 I do think that we'll get there. And I think that, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.560 you know, we're all playing our part. You know, we 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.240 obviously didn't just get out on the streets and protest 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.280 in twenty twenty. We've made changes and we're continuing to 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.800 have conversations. And you know, we have people who listen 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.800 to our show every week, and you know, they write 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.760 us and they follow our social media and they support 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.960 our posts and our cause. And the show is growing, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:14.000 of course, and that's largely due to your efforts and 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.640 so but there's another thing I wanted to point out, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:22.600 and I'm glad you mentioned it. Remember I said that 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:24.920 if you take all the facts and you put them 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.920 in the bowl together, you know, the result doesn't really 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:33.520 support white supremacy anymore. And I think that a great 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.080 point of that is and I think that this story 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.199 tells itself if a person takes a step back and 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.920 looks at it. So watch this. If you put more 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.120 police in the neighborhood, you know the reason for doing 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.560 that is to make the neighborhood safer. You know, I'm 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.800 sure anyone would agree. I put more police in there 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.960 to make the neighborhood safer, to prevent crime from happening, 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.719 to you know whatever. And what we're seeing is that 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:05.240 more police make more arrests. More arrests means more violent 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.399 arrests means more you know, black lives lost, black bodies 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.600 being harmed, and so forth. And you know, it's like 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.040 to a man with a hammer, the world is a nail, right, 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:26.440 More police doesn't mean less crime. Police can only respond 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.280 to crime that has happened. This is something we talk 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.719 about on the show quite a bit. That's all that 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:36.720 they do. You know, police like in a minuscule fraction 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.600 of a percentage point, actually prevent crime. The vast majority 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.880 of police work is responding to a crime that's already happened. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.679 And so the real question is how do we prevent 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.640 crime from happening? Because obviously, putting more police in neighborhoods 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.560 doesn't fix the problems. It doesn't fix the economic inequalities, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.520 it doesn't fix the broken crime justice system that we're 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.160 going to talk about a little bit more. And I 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:10.760 feel like this thirteen fifty rule or myth again as 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:16.040 we call it on our show. You said it best 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.719 when you said it's a lie. He absolutely nailed that. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.080 You know, I'm more likely, I'm more inclined to say 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.960 that it's a half truth or you know whatever, if 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.159 it is that, you know, people kind of know that 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.639 it's a lie, but I'll call it what it is, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.720 a half truth. But in this case, you're right, Q, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.000 it's a lie. It just sells fear. It's Fox News 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.960 all day. That's all that it is. So let's move 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:49.080 on now. In addition to the statistics I've read before, 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.600 I want to just recap just so that we're all 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.240 on the same page. Okay, So, so far, the thirteen 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.199 to fifty myth uh purports that thirteen percent of the 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:03.560 population quote, black people account for fifty percent of the 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.400 violent crime that takes place. When the truth is, black 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.159 people account for only fifty percent of the arrests of 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.240 violent crimes. Black people are five times more likely to 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.879 be arrested, six times more likely to be convicted, fifty 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.919 percent more likely to be wrongfully convicted, and sentenced to 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.639 twenty percent longer convictions than white violent criminals. Now I 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.560 want to add some more to that for the same crimes, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.720 for the same crimes. Absolutely I want to add to that, 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:36.280 fifty four percent of all violent crimes remain unsolved, including 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.520 thirty eight percent of all murders, forty eight percent of 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.840 all assaults, and more than sixty seven percent of all 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:50.760 reported rapes. We've discussed that black people are overly policed. 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.560 One of the things that we didn't really discuss so 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.880 far we have on the show, but not so far 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:04.359 with this is the War on drug and we don't 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.919 have time to really go into detail for this segment, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.480 but we have in the past on the show, and 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:12.960 of course we will again. But for those that don't know, 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.800 the quick and dirty version of the story is that 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:21.879 the War on drugs was really enacted to quell the 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.919 hippie movement and the Black power movement in the sixties, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.800 that was the origins of it, you know, or the 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:39.280 late sixties, early seventies, and then since nineteen sixty as 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.959 a result of that, there's been a three hundred and 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:47.720 thirty percent increase in black men imprisoned. And because of 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:53.600 the Thirteenth Amendment, there's an economic advantage to having these 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.800 bodies in prison too. You know, a lot of people 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.960 just make that connection. Well, the Thirteenth Amendment meant that 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.480 slavery never ended, absolutely right, one hundred percent true. But 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.920 there was a long period in time in this country 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.240 between slavery and the sixties when we saw these numbers 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.359 start to really increase, and then the eighties, of course, 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:17.520 when it really skyrocketed under Reaganomics. But there was a 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.400 long period of time when you know, black people were 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.600 you know, overly incarcerated, but not at such astronomical levels. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:32.960 The Thirteenth Amendment was legal all in that period of time, 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:38.600 but it wasn't until recent times when the economics began 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.160 to make sense, and then private money started moving into 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.040 prisons and so forth, and so now we have so 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:50.159 many black people and brown people and you know, melanated 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:54.600 people in prisons, and I will say this white people 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:59.800 as well. And prisons are big business, so it affects everybody. 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.840 But obviously the blacker you are, the more the harsher 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.439 it is. You know, we just kind of know that 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.640 to be true, not to take anything away from anyone else, 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.520 but what that's resulted in is an increase in single 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:17.360 mother households that has increased to sixty four percent as 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:24.000 of twenty nineteen. Sixty four percent of black households are 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:32.360 single mother households, and you know, prior to the sixties, 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.400 you know that that wasn't true. You can go back 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.880 and look. You can see all of these opportunities that 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.280 black people took advantage of at different points in history. 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.480 You know, black people weren't always regarded as whatever we're 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:48.720 regarded as now, you know, by the mostly right leaning 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:59.800 conservative you know, uneducated and willfully ignorant types. But that's 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.719 hard to ignore sixty four percent single mother households, and 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.480 obviously the result of that is children that come from 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:10.440 those homes are less likely to graduate high school, less 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.480 likely to attend college. There's economic reasons for that, there's 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:19.120 you know, social reasons for that. You know, there's it's 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.600 it's a sad reality, and it's it's unfortunate. But you know, 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:30.080 these statistics that you might hear that really paint black 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.720 people or any people in a bad light often require 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:41.080 more insight. They need to be illuminated a bit further. 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.720 And that's not saying that black people we don't have 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.080 our own path laid out in front of us, because 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.879 there's lots of things that you know, we have to 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.480 work on, and we do work on and we will 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.840 continue to work on. But to pretend like we were 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.679 just born bad and we commit fifty percent of the 0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:00.320 crimes is definitely something that is inaccurate, and if we're 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.600 able to speak to it on our show, then we. 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.760 Will give them the guy's name again, Rams with the 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.040 TikTok page, I really want people to. 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.320 Check that out. Be sure to follow Cap without a 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:16.480 Country on TikTok and now watch go my mic back. 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:17.440 You're like that. 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:26.120 Strikes head, borders behind and the. 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.480 So moving on. If you're just tuning in to Civic Sipher, 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:29.600 I'm your host, Rams's job. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.280 They called me q ward and that's mostly because my 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:33.600 mother named me Quentin. 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:39.400 And q okay, I'll explain yes indeed, uh and stick 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.320 around because we've got a lot more to talk about, 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.400 including our way Black History factor checking in with DJ 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:48.159 Squirrel in a few minutes. Also, we were going to 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.560 spend some time talking about Target and a response that 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.119 we never got to talk about on the show, a 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.360 response from Kimberly Jones that came about sometime last year 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.160