Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans? Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of The Mets The Podcast. A nice series sweep to
Speaker 1: end the first half of the season. Couldn't have found
Speaker 1: a better way to end the first half, which has
Speaker 1: been an absolute nightmare. The Red Sox somehow did and
Speaker 1: didn't kick our teeth in at the exact same time,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. Mets stunk it up. Let's talk about
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Speaker 2: Horrible Deflating Miserable Baseball Like there wasn't even a second
Speaker 2: where I was having I talked about how much fun
Speaker 2: the end of that Royal series was Drinks and a half.
Speaker 2: Not a fun series to watch. Mets in Red Sox
Speaker 2: offense that we said was going to be so good
Speaker 2: terrible once again, Absent completely disappeared this entire series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they I mean from the start, they just kind
Speaker 1: of did absolutely nothing off of the Rip, which is
Speaker 1: a real shame because I will say, like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy on that game on Friday Night to get
Speaker 1: ten hits and score two runs like it.
Speaker 2: Was eleven honestly, but yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: It's just so many hits and everyone in the lineup,
Speaker 1: I think, except like Jorge Polanco and Alvarez basically got
Speaker 1: hits in this game and we still only score two runs.
Speaker 1: The Mets do find new ways to lose every single night.
Speaker 1: It is fascinating.
Speaker 2: It also felt like, I mean, the big story heading
Speaker 2: into this game was the fact that the Red Sox
Speaker 2: delayed leave of Chicago, did not get to City Field
Speaker 2: until five oh five on Friday, had to push the
Speaker 2: start time of the game back like forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: just so just so Sonny Gray actually warm up and
Speaker 2: pitch hot take.
Speaker 1: That's not our problem. I don't think that should be
Speaker 1: the Mets problem. I think that should be the Red
Speaker 1: Sox problem. I know that's I think it's a call it.
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball makes and that's something I'm sure that's
Speaker 2: in the all right, that's yeah, someway.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like because Noel McLay and clearly
Speaker 1: was affected by the delay of the game and not
Speaker 1: being read and we've seen this before with him somewhat
Speaker 1: there's been rain stuff, he wasn't sharp at the start
Speaker 1: of the game. I know errors were kind of the
Speaker 1: big issue here for him, especially because Wan Sodo missing
Speaker 1: that fly ball in left field was infuriating, But it
Speaker 1: is interesting in a world where like I know what
Speaker 1: the circumstances were for the Red Sox and why they
Speaker 1: showed up late, but it does end up also theoretically
Speaker 1: punishing the team that was ready to go.
Speaker 2: Yeh somewhat theoretically. I also think that McClain just wasn't
Speaker 2: sharp because there have been games like this over the
Speaker 2: last few months where, specifically in this game, something that's
Speaker 2: happened to him a bit lately. The breaking balls were
Speaker 2: just kind of absent, and I did like that he
Speaker 2: responded by buzzing more fastballs and locating those really well.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to see Nolan McLain get around get
Speaker 2: through it, like after that drop the flyball, then the
Speaker 2: two runs on the Yoshida double number double off the
Speaker 2: tarp like he shut them down after that, It's fine.
Speaker 1: It enlightened me. Could the baseballs being different have an
Speaker 1: effect on Nolan McLain's breaking balls.
Speaker 2: Because it does seem sense.
Speaker 1: It seems like as soon as those baseball started getting weird,
Speaker 1: Noel McLain's breaking balls also started not being nearly as
Speaker 1: good and.
Speaker 2: Ready for altice. Yeah, it's just kind of the way again,
Speaker 2: everyone's dealing with different balls right now as well, so
Speaker 2: I can't we can't blame it for our own hardships.
Speaker 2: But right now, based on what we've seen lately, the
Speaker 2: reporting from you know, Sarah's going on right now about
Speaker 2: the drag of the baseball, it's apparently it's apparently flying
Speaker 2: further than it did at the peak of twenty nineteen. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. And that effects batted ball quality, not so
Speaker 2: much of like the way the bum you know, grips
Speaker 2: spin and all that stuff, but it will affect that too.
Speaker 2: It's a different baseball, so I'm sure that is something,
Speaker 2: but you can't blame that. I do like that Nolan
Speaker 2: McLain after the game, like he's he's fantastic in front
Speaker 2: of the media. He's like, that's not an excuse. He's like,
Speaker 2: he's like I pitched fine, Like I could have been better,
Speaker 2: but that was his team. Game one.
Speaker 1: We lost this, I mean still struck out seven and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day one, So to making
Speaker 1: that play and left field does change a lot of things, like.
Speaker 2: The entire game inexcusable.
Speaker 1: It's one of the few times in our entire life
Speaker 1: where me, you, everyone listening to this can say I
Speaker 1: could have caught that baseball. I could have made that play,
Speaker 1: and the guy getting paid seven hundred million dollars did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also there's there's so many weird instances in
Speaker 2: the middle part of this game. There were so many reviews,
Speaker 2: and there was the back to back review of this
Speaker 2: stolen based second base, which was Connor Wan, which is
Speaker 2: why is he stealing second base? And then sunk j
Speaker 2: Chen and Carson bench car best sunk Chay Chang is
Speaker 2: yeah right, He's Honestly, this Red Sox team is really annoying.
Speaker 2: And I say that in the most polite way possible,
Speaker 2: even just jump around. I don't think we have to
Speaker 2: supergo game by game that series like they're they're playing
Speaker 2: with an attitude right now that I wish this Mets
Speaker 2: team could adopt for any stretch I don't even want
Speaker 2: to say in general over the second half where one defensively,
Speaker 2: they're outrageous right now. Yes, the way this team's aligned
Speaker 2: with Durban the third, like with William Brady and Saddan
Speaker 2: in the outfield, it's like, what you It's hard to
Speaker 2: get the ball down there and there's great arms everywhere.
Speaker 2: There was that instance I don't remember if that was
Speaker 2: Friday or Saturday, where we had I think was so
Speaker 2: the one third with zero one out or oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but youing on third and we just kept hitting fly
Speaker 2: balls the guys with great arms. We couldn't run on them,
Speaker 2: couldn't send them. But the way that the game concluded
Speaker 2: on Sunday, which is past the Fraciscal indoor era, which
Speaker 2: will definitely get to because that was horrible. The Red
Speaker 2: Sox very abnormally played for one run the top of
Speaker 2: the tenth, and Gary and Ron were talking about be like,
Speaker 2: you don't see this very often, like usually the road
Speaker 2: team plays for multiple runs because you assume the first run.
Speaker 2: And Ron was like, this team feeling so good right
Speaker 2: now and they feel like to have such a mental edge.
Speaker 2: They want to put the pressure on the Mets, make
Speaker 2: sure they gets that inning with the lead and worked
Speaker 2: out perfectly for them. They like they sunned us in
Speaker 2: that inning. That was embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know Polanco and Bishek got to
Speaker 1: taken that bat in that one, But like, yeah, when
Speaker 1: I see Terenz, Brett Bady and fucking Zach Short again,
Speaker 1: I can't even believe this guy is back on this roster.
Speaker 1: It's not really fair to him. He's stung one, but like,
Speaker 1: give me a fucking break at this point, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Like, I felt like a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: when you but back to my point, when you see
Speaker 1: those guys at bottom of the roster, yet one run wins
Speaker 1: the game, that's obvious. Those guys aren't winning it for you.
Speaker 1: Going back to now where I want to rant, like
Speaker 1: we think we're playing for twenty twenty seven. Why are
Speaker 1: we playing Zach Short even for a second in this season?
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, you're not wrong about the
Speaker 1: useless player who has no impact on this team ever,
Speaker 1: and he should never have an impact on this team.
Speaker 1: He's been on the Mets organization twice in the David
Speaker 1: Stearns era, and it is both times made gotta be
Speaker 1: a negative impact?
Speaker 2: Is it to just preserve the Ronnie Mauricio option?
Speaker 1: Who fucking cares? We just saw that the White Sox
Speaker 1: dunked on us with the Pirates trade for the thirty
Speaker 1: fourth pick. The Pirates clearly had no interest in Ronnie
Speaker 1: Mauricio probably tells you that nobody has an interest in
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: And there were a lot of reports that the Mets
Speaker 2: were gunning for that pick, and as the Mets draft
Speaker 2: got kind of weird over the weekend, they definitely wanted
Speaker 2: more bonus money, just because it's very difficult for our
Speaker 2: situation signing guys with the qualifying offer and moving your
Speaker 2: draft slot back ten spots, like you don't have as
Speaker 2: much from not even close to the same war chess
Speaker 2: as other teams. But maybe it's just for the week
Speaker 2: and then after the trade deadline, if Ronnie's still on
Speaker 2: the roster, then you just burned the option at that point,
Speaker 2: Like it's this is the classic David Searns trying.
Speaker 1: To thread the needle.
Speaker 2: But there's just there's so many tiny, like frustrating moments,
Speaker 2: like not even all the times of Friday and Saturday
Speaker 2: where there were guys in running, guys in scoring position,
Speaker 2: and there weren't big hits, Like I got frustrated. Probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't have by the aja ewing backwards k on Saturday,
Speaker 2: as I think England was going into at the time,
Speaker 2: but I was like just stressed. I was just like
Speaker 2: Crossye trying to watch both it. Once. I was in
Speaker 2: a crowd of English people at USh Out a Dog
Speaker 2: and Bone, great English bar at their that they're in
Speaker 2: twenty fifth. They had a whole block part of the
Speaker 2: TV's outs.
Speaker 1: It looks sick.
Speaker 2: Couldn't believe how many English people showed up there and
Speaker 2: they were just like, let you bring cornerstore delly drinks,
Speaker 2: you hang out in our alleyway. But I was the
Speaker 2: only person. They're watching the Mets on my Phone's almost
Speaker 2: like is that the Mets?
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, get out of here, like I'm
Speaker 1: actually stop bothering me. I'm a sick fuck. And even
Speaker 1: though the Mets are forty and fifty five at the
Speaker 1: time of watching this game and there's the World Cup on,
Speaker 1: yes I am watching the Mets, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, no, this guy is you'reewing. He's great there's twenty one.
Speaker 2: He's really coming to his own. He's a huge at
Speaker 2: bad for him with two outs and guys on base.
Speaker 2: They want to see what he does and he wanted
Speaker 2: his worst at bats in weeks bang backwards K, sit down,
Speaker 2: son I hate the backwards K. I hate the backwards
Speaker 2: K in that situation and challenging the last woman was
Speaker 2: very blatantly a strike this one with the first two.
Speaker 2: So I can't say didn't take the battle of the shoulder,
Speaker 2: but that was a that was a painful at bat.
Speaker 2: Even again, like Sonny Gray, he got like two swings
Speaker 2: and misses on Friday off, no sleep, and we just
Speaker 2: can't break through and get the big hit when you've
Speaker 2: hit every sing guys run on base every single ending.
Speaker 1: No, there's very few redeeming qualities in this game or
Speaker 1: in any of the games this weekend, just because I mean,
Speaker 1: you get swept is not really great. Crazy that now
Speaker 1: code I was saying, are you're back to one inning now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also like oh cool, I think but
Speaker 2: if they do it, but also does it even matter
Speaker 2: because the season's over? So like no, I think this,
Speaker 2: I think this is the best path forward for sure,
Speaker 2: Like I don't want anything.
Speaker 1: You know what he did.
Speaker 2: He took out all the other pitches, he only threw
Speaker 2: fastballs and goes for it. He went through nine pitches,
Speaker 2: so we didn't have to see that much. But he
Speaker 2: also didn't get the fastball like over ninety six really
Speaker 2: that much, so we'll still see what goes on. But
Speaker 2: I did like, again, this is the version of the
Speaker 2: one inning code that we're gonna get a chance to
Speaker 2: see now.
Speaker 1: Yes, which is probably the best version of him because
Speaker 1: the other versions really bad. I think we're past it.
Speaker 1: We don't need to see that one anymore.
Speaker 2: I guess also too, we should talk about Zach Thorton
Speaker 2: because I think that was.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, let's talk about Zach.
Speaker 2: That was the best thing that came out of this
Speaker 2: weekend for the Mess is that Zach Thorton was phenomenal. Again,
Speaker 2: he's great on Sunday back to back stars where he's
Speaker 2: completed six innings, so it starts to having two weeks apart.
Speaker 2: Don't ask David Stearns why that was, but he was awesome,
Speaker 2: Like he just kind of showed up from the get go,
Speaker 2: was throwing strikes, attacking hitters living on the edges, just
Speaker 2: color cut their color color decent, fat not afraid the challenge, guys,
Speaker 2: this is Boston line that is very challengeable. It's not
Speaker 2: like it's not further. His row looked fantastic, confident, was
Speaker 2: in now those innings quick. It was really nice to
Speaker 2: watch him work.
Speaker 1: He's thrown seven innings twice, six six innings twice. Did
Speaker 1: he not go seven in the last game?
Speaker 2: I thought that was six as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me a check on that real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta come because it will completely alter what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, completely, completely, all completely, completely changed the vibe
Speaker 1: of what I want to say.
Speaker 2: Zack Thornton. His last start was six All.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, Zack Thorton's thrown as many seven inning appearances
Speaker 1: as Freddy perraulta this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad, that's not good. But also at the
Speaker 1: same time positive spin zone. I love what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: out of Zack Thornton. I think there's no world where
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be on the major league roster for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Like he is proven in this
Speaker 1: short sample that we've seen that he is at least
Speaker 1: a capable starting pitcher that can go out every five
Speaker 1: days and give the Mets a theoretical chance to win
Speaker 1: a baseball game like he was awesome, two hits, two walks,
Speaker 1: Fredy per alta walk, five Like, give me Zach Thorton
Speaker 1: every five days right now. I want to see him.
Speaker 1: This is this is the playing for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: These are the kind of con the concepts that I
Speaker 1: want the Mets to do moving forward instead of playing
Speaker 1: Zach short in every single game of the series.
Speaker 2: I wanna talk about Freddy in a little bit. But
Speaker 2: that's what we'll get to the negative section. We were
Speaker 2: trying off airon Mark and I to find comps for
Speaker 2: Zach Thorton because kind of odd to be a LEFTI
Speaker 2: that's like, not just like a lefty with a color,
Speaker 2: a lefty that's almost exclusively a color pitcher mixes mostly
Speaker 2: color as four seemers and sweepers. No one that kind
Speaker 2: of stuck out to me. He's he got lit up
Speaker 2: on Sunday, But I do like him. Robert Gasser, okay,
Speaker 2: because he also sits lowish nineties with a decent fastball shape,
Speaker 2: but he's he pushes his sinker way more. That's a
Speaker 2: good pitch and he has a great change up, and
Speaker 2: that's the thing that we're both lamenting that we hope
Speaker 2: Thoron can figure it out. Because if Thorton can't wind
Speaker 2: up developing a change up, he's suddenly a guy that
Speaker 2: I think that can that can be in a major
Speaker 2: league rotation. I'm not expecting to start off for Robert Gasser. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Josh Yeah, David Star, Josh Hayter, trade baby, Like Dylan Dodd.
Speaker 2: The best versions of Dylan Dodd that ever existed is
Speaker 2: like he kind of helps something you hope for there
Speaker 2: we're talking about Kyle Freeland, but just it's weird to
Speaker 2: get these lefties that focus so much on their color
Speaker 2: but don't have very wide repertoires off that pitch. It's
Speaker 2: usually like it's usually like a fun toy left he's developed.
Speaker 2: When they've hit the roadblock and can't get right, he's
Speaker 2: out for Thornton is the thing he relies on, but
Speaker 2: there's there's definitely something to work with. And also just
Speaker 2: love pitching with confidence. I think we saw him not
Speaker 2: do that in that first start two months ago against
Speaker 2: the Nationals and these last two tries. Maybe that's something
Speaker 2: with the major league coaching getting through him. They're like, hey,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at the absolute worst in an organization,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really have starting pitching right now and definitely
Speaker 1: is gonna have less as the season goes on. Probably
Speaker 1: should see what you got, was zach Thornton, Like, we
Speaker 1: have to figure out what we're looking at going into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. And so far in the three three
Speaker 1: four starts, has he made four starts?
Speaker 2: Now this was a third.
Speaker 1: Okay, in three starts, we have a sub one whipping
Speaker 1: a sub three ra I know it's an incredibly small sample,
Speaker 1: but like, those are things that we need to find
Speaker 1: out more about it. Because the sample is small, you.
Speaker 2: Probably should have more than three starts in the last three.
Speaker 1: Months without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: And that's why it was. It feels strangehows when you
Speaker 2: got sent down at the last one. I know that
Speaker 2: David Turns right now is playing the bullpen swapping everybody game,
Speaker 2: but thread the needle. Over these last two weeks, it
Speaker 2: felt like there were plenty of instances where I would
Speaker 2: have liked to have had zach Thoron on the mound.
Speaker 2: And it's different than some of these other addings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of being like, hey, CODI can you throw
Speaker 1: eighty after two days of rest?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole thing is so weird because the
Speaker 2: team makes me so deflated, so weird, I was, it's
Speaker 2: exhausting being a Mets fan. We were like a little
Speaker 2: bubbly on Thursday after the last podcast, and this the
Speaker 2: punch in the guts.
Speaker 1: That's and we've done this a few times the season.
Speaker 1: They start to play well, we start to believe, and
Speaker 1: then they were like, wait, hold on, we're still the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six New York Mets.
Speaker 2: So the day of the Knicks parade, but Mark and
Speaker 2: I were actually excited and just happy in the world
Speaker 2: the Knicks. The Mets had just had a pretty good
Speaker 2: few weeks of baseball and got themselves to thirty four
Speaker 2: and forty one. Sis Golden Door was about to return.
Speaker 2: We were like, you know, we made that whole video
Speaker 2: for you. Guys. Hey, if this team gets on a run,
Speaker 2: here's how you do it. You can still claw your
Speaker 2: way back into this. Since that happened, the Mets are
Speaker 2: six and sixteen. Carls Mendez has been fired, the team
Speaker 2: has and that even comes with coming into this series
Speaker 2: winning four out of five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was even possible.
Speaker 2: So there was a stretch over that period of themester
Speaker 2: two and twelve, right after we made that video, Oh
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 1: We have to stop making videos. I think.
Speaker 2: I don't think that could happen contractually, but we just
Speaker 2: maybe have to be stopping so defiant about the way
Speaker 2: that we're saying these things, because it's the second there's
Speaker 2: even a glimmer of hope with this team. You have
Speaker 2: a series like this against the Red Sox where you're miserable.
Speaker 2: I tried to get up early on Sunday and get
Speaker 2: my article done. I was likeking for nbc'd be like,
Speaker 2: you know, I do. I kind of wanted to go
Speaker 2: to this game. It was a gorgeous day. I have
Speaker 2: a pretty free day. Got the All Star break this
Speaker 2: week because so much need rest and relaxation, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not gonna get done time. I don't
Speaker 2: want to get in the G train right now. So
Speaker 2: I was watching that ninth inning, I was like, that
Speaker 2: got him not in the ballpark right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Devin Williams sucks, dude, I know.
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 2: I honestly like.
Speaker 1: I yeah, yes and no, yes and no, because here's
Speaker 1: the here's the where he sucks, and here's where he
Speaker 1: doesn't Francisco Lindoor makes a routine play, turns the double
Speaker 1: play games over. We don't have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Where he does suck though, is that still walk? Two
Speaker 1: guys still gave up two hits Like any sort of
Speaker 1: adversity that comes towards this team, they have zero ability
Speaker 1: to adjust and get through it.
Speaker 2: And this was the huge critique that people in the
Speaker 2: Yankee world had about Devin Williams last year. They were like,
Speaker 2: the stuff is still like the people who were fair
Speaker 2: about it, Yes, the stuff is still great. He's going
Speaker 2: to get the strikecasts, the swings and misses, and you
Speaker 2: felt it for some of those outings right when you
Speaker 2: got taken out of the closer role last like like
Speaker 2: it was like June ish I remember there was one
Speaker 2: in s Houston especially, things just kind of fell apart
Speaker 2: around him, similar to this one where it's bad bad
Speaker 2: the ball, luck, bad defense, but you just can't get
Speaker 2: over a mental hump. And this is to me, this
Speaker 2: is still more on Francisco Lindoor than Devin Williams by
Speaker 2: a lot. Sure, sure, but there was the game it
Speaker 2: was first and second one out when that after that happened, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the game should be over you still have and
Speaker 2: then who was coming up? I wanted to get the game,
Speaker 2: like to specifically remember.
Speaker 1: Again, don't even tell me please, Yeah, the Murderer's row
Speaker 1: of Red Sox.
Speaker 2: They came to the play against Devin Williams as he
Speaker 2: blew that save. Uh it was da da da here
Speaker 2: comes Yeah, so the error was from Rome. He's bad. Sorry,
Speaker 2: So honestly, these weren't the heavy hitters. It was Caleb Durban,
Speaker 2: Andrew Monasterio, Jesis, Aaron Durant, and Yoshida.
Speaker 1: None of those guys have an opia. Well, Yoshida does,
Speaker 1: but none of those guys before Yoshida Pinch had had
Speaker 1: an OPS above seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Durban's also like, he's a no walk guy, isn't he?
Speaker 1: I don't no, he can't be. He has a near
Speaker 1: he has a six eighty six OPS, no home runs
Speaker 1: and two twenty eight average.
Speaker 2: He's got a walk He's well under He's just under
Speaker 2: seven percent walk rate.
Speaker 4: WHOA.
Speaker 2: I think Monasteria is also a bit of a no.
Speaker 1: Monasterio, by the way, wakes up when the Mets play him.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh the New York Mets. Fuck yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to play ball.
Speaker 2: And Monasterio is a five percent walk guy, So two
Speaker 2: guys with some of the lowest walk rates in the
Speaker 2: entire league. Devin Williams did find a way to walk
Speaker 2: them after that Versisdor error.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that Lindor era was deplorable. That can't har
Speaker 1: that's it. That's an unacceptable error. And you saw him
Speaker 1: talk about after the game. But it's a similar kind
Speaker 1: of conversation that I think I had about Luke Weaver
Speaker 1: earlier in the year, where he was like doing his
Speaker 1: pumpin his CHESSI we're not scared of anybody. Okay, prove it,
Speaker 1: do it. Stop talking. He han't given oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: This is not anti Luke Weaver. I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: the same kind of like conversation. Lindor has made these
Speaker 1: mistakes before, and we hear him be like it's unacceptable. Okay,
Speaker 1: then stop it. Don't do it anymore. They can't happen.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It does suck that this series was bookended by bad
Speaker 2: errors from the two stars, because, as we keep saying
Speaker 2: about this season, building for twenty twenty seven, building good habits,
Speaker 2: setting good example for these young players that are going
Speaker 2: to be the pillars of the next generation of the Mets,
Speaker 2: and it's like you lost two games because your two
Speaker 2: best players made two gimmes likes miss toomis where.
Speaker 1: It's like, you can't, you just can't be doing that,
Speaker 1: and this is kind of plays were like unfathomably easy.
Speaker 2: It's also really extra disappointing because it's fel lick. Lindor
Speaker 2: got off the shy today with the bat, Yeah, to
Speaker 2: double the first inning where it would be very deflating
Speaker 2: not to score with a guy and third nobody out.
Speaker 2: Then he hit the home run, he stung another one.
Speaker 2: You're like, nice, finally turning the corner here. And you've
Speaker 2: also kind of felt these mental lapses with him with
Speaker 2: other points this year before the injury, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of defensive miscues.
Speaker 1: And I mean I've texted I was texting you with
Speaker 1: a buddy about how like it feels like, more so
Speaker 1: than ever defensively, the mental lapses with Lindor are there
Speaker 1: more than ever. And again I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a skill issue. I think people are gonna say
Speaker 1: just getting older, it's this and that It's like, these
Speaker 1: aren't skill issue plays, these are mental mistakes.
Speaker 2: No big time mental mistakes, and those are the ones
Speaker 2: you've never seen him really make. And it's odd and
Speaker 2: it's also kind of worrisome. I keep going back to
Speaker 2: what I say in this podcast a lot about last year,
Speaker 2: the weird no captain comment from Steve Cohen after the
Speaker 2: video got leaked, and it wasn't that it didn't happen,
Speaker 2: like I do wonder where, Like I don't think. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying he doesn't want to be a measure, just
Speaker 2: like I just it doesn't seem like he's had the
Speaker 2: same tenasty and I understand that the way this team
Speaker 2: has played since then, it's hard to have to natality
Speaker 2: because we've been dogshit basically the entire time. We haven't
Speaker 2: had a moment where his team is playing good baseball
Speaker 2: in a calendar year.
Speaker 1: The fan base is also completely turned on him too,
Speaker 1: so that's probably not great either.
Speaker 2: And like I know that, I know that Katia has
Speaker 2: turned off her Instagram comments, and that's probably a good
Speaker 2: idea because of the ruthless people that go in there.
Speaker 2: It's horrible, but she just he just doesn't feel and
Speaker 2: I don't even again, I don't think it's physical, like
Speaker 2: he plays good not at all. It's just a play
Speaker 2: like that for Francisco Lindor to let that clank off
Speaker 2: his glove, like he's one of the best defensive players
Speaker 2: his generations.
Speaker 1: Just the way we flailed after it was like crazy,
Speaker 1: Like he like flailed after it as if like that
Speaker 1: was like the game winning run in the biggest game
Speaker 1: of his life. And it's like, I feel like we're
Speaker 1: just not really and maybe this is something that the
Speaker 1: Bets I've had a problem with for a year and
Speaker 1: a half now, but like not fully locked in. And
Speaker 1: Andy Green even talked about it before or after the game,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the timing. He said, like, we have
Speaker 1: put ourselves in positions to win baseball games the entire season.
Speaker 1: The problem is that we do not execute. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how the Mets get better at execution right now.
Speaker 1: That's this is a weird, I think answer that nobody
Speaker 1: seems to have.
Speaker 2: But what's executions from a professional baseball team?
Speaker 1: Like all these guys are capable, that they don't play
Speaker 1: fundamental baseball, that's for.
Speaker 2: Sure, That's what I'm saying. When you've climbed the mountain,
Speaker 2: that's that's the mental side of it. That you're not
Speaker 2: mentally locked in, and that does come back to things
Speaker 2: like leadership and chemistry, and that's something that does seem like,
Speaker 2: after all this time, this Mets team still has not
Speaker 2: acquired it felt sometimes it feels like they're better at
Speaker 2: it now, but just doesn't feel like you can ever
Speaker 2: really put one foot in front of the other and
Speaker 2: make good baseball happen day after day.
Speaker 1: Step walking and chewing gum is hard for this team.
Speaker 2: And again that's why so disheartening that in a series
Speaker 2: like this where you had three winnable games, extreme shocking
Speaker 2: winnable games like if you win to and the other
Speaker 2: team didn't sleep before the series started, they made them
Speaker 2: all extra winnable, like again Saturday, Maybe not because you
Speaker 2: really didn't hit at all against the ball, play a
Speaker 2: game which was sucked, but like you have your two
Speaker 2: theoretical best pitchers on the mound the first two games
Speaker 2: of the series, not win one of those, and then
Speaker 2: you waste a seven inning GM from a rookie, you
Speaker 2: blow his first major league win, and the whole thing
Speaker 2: is book ended by your two stars missing two absolute
Speaker 2: easy like ninety nine percent plays Like it's just it's
Speaker 2: just gross. Every day.
Speaker 1: No, it stinks. I mean, but that's also what we've
Speaker 1: seen from this twenty twenty six Mets team when it
Speaker 1: was it. When it spells like shit, it probably is shit.
Speaker 1: Like that's just kind of how this team.
Speaker 2: Is blatantly happy that we're fully on board bad baseball team,
Speaker 2: terrible baseball.
Speaker 1: So you guys in the comment section yelling at us
Speaker 1: about whatever it is we're listening to us. Listen to
Speaker 1: me right now. This team is bad. We don't care
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty six. It's over.
Speaker 2: You should stop caring too. Yeah, I mean again, you
Speaker 2: can still care about. And Ronnie and Gary were a
Speaker 2: little tongue in cheek about it today, being like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's my sentiment in this game that if you're still
Speaker 2: mathematically in play, you're still you're still I still gotta
Speaker 2: play hard every single day. Yeah, and then they would
Speaker 2: making they got there being so tongue cheek about coming
Speaker 2: out of the brick. They were like, you guys can
Speaker 2: be back with us Thursday. We're not back until Saturday, thankfully,
Speaker 2: because ESPN wanted the showcase game and you got the
Speaker 2: Mets and Phillies shah why the and also standalone game
Speaker 2: with the sucks that we don't.
Speaker 1: Get the actual full All Star break. We get to
Speaker 1: come back a day earlier than everyone else.
Speaker 2: We've barely been having All Stars. Did we forget as
Speaker 2: of the team, No clue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know either, no idea.
Speaker 2: We have to do it for the wide US. We
Speaker 2: get quiz me on the All Star teams because I
Speaker 2: don't don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That would be so fun.
Speaker 2: I really do not know. But this whole thing is
Speaker 2: just again, what a perfect way to close this miserable,
Speaker 2: horrific first half.
Speaker 1: And we will talk about the MLB Draft more. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have an entire episode dedicated to that later this week,
Speaker 1: so make sure you get you are subscribed to Mets
Speaker 1: Up you don't miss out on that. A couple quick
Speaker 1: media marvels, Can I give you one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me some.
Speaker 1: I mean Dow who should not be named on the podcast.
Speaker 1: You know who he is. He works for another big
Speaker 1: media company in the theoretical sports world, and he's a
Speaker 1: big Mets fan, so you can, you know, connect the
Speaker 1: dots there? Just like shitting on every single draft pick
Speaker 1: that the Mets make. It's just like, who is this for?
Speaker 1: Are the people that eating it, like like laughing out loud,
Speaker 1: like throwing popcorn at their face and spilling all over themselves.
Speaker 1: Like who is who is this content for? In one? Why?
Speaker 1: Why is anyone giving it the time of day?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the kind of thing that happens
Speaker 2: some of our videos sometimes that we know this where
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you guys are in there, sound off
Speaker 2: in the comments.
Speaker 1: Sound off in the comments.
Speaker 2: Sound off in the comments. People who don't like the
Speaker 2: Mets are watching this Mets content to watch. People like
Speaker 2: us squaremen and like be like, this team sucks. I
Speaker 2: think people like to hate the Mets, and I think
Speaker 2: it's gotten a lot worse than Steve Cohen era because
Speaker 2: we annointed something that shouldn't have been anointed, which is
Speaker 2: this team going to the next level, and we spent
Speaker 2: a fuck ton of money. We suck ass. So I
Speaker 2: do think there's mostly people who are not messing haters.
Speaker 2: I think it's casual sports fans. It's really easy to
Speaker 2: hate the Mets.
Speaker 1: I bump into too many casual Mets fans who talk
Speaker 1: about this person to me, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, no, hundred percent. I also think that that person
Speaker 2: has become like a symbol for Mets fans, which is
Speaker 2: a real shame one hundred percent, But that's also the
Speaker 2: symbols we can have. Yeah, but that's why the miserable,
Speaker 2: horrible CEO of that company hires a guy like that.
Speaker 2: Extra nost is.
Speaker 1: A perfect character to take advanced like that.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, Zach, what's whole thing has been the
Speaker 2: entire time, which is really shitting and annoying. But that's
Speaker 2: kind of what that is, and it sucks, but that's
Speaker 2: that's the reality. Brett Baty had a good game.
Speaker 4: He did.
Speaker 2: He had a great game one the other two not
Speaker 2: so much. But he's gonna he's gonna trick as ALLID,
Speaker 2: not trick us ALLID trick us specifically you and I
Speaker 2: had to buying back in.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not buying back into Brett Baty. I'm
Speaker 1: just I don't hate him like everyone else. I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what my stance is gonna be on
Speaker 1: the guy forever. I'm not gonna hate Brett Baty. You're
Speaker 1: never gonna get me to no.
Speaker 2: Also, it's kind of interesting this weekend how you took
Speaker 2: a red hot Bobachette out of the lineup and the
Speaker 2: entire offense fell apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what like it seemed like it was a
Speaker 1: thread to needle moment for the I l again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like they said he had general soreness,
Speaker 2: they wanted to give him a full week off, and
Speaker 2: then we just got a lot of Zach Short baty
Speaker 2: at third. That's kind of how this weekend went.
Speaker 1: If I see Zach Short play out of the also break,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my fucking mind.
Speaker 2: I have really bad news for you. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, like it's what happened the first two months
Speaker 2: of the season with his lineup was terrible. Couldn't get
Speaker 2: out of their own way. Bobaschet, couldn't hit. He gets
Speaker 2: red hot for six weeks, we've become a better than
Speaker 2: average league offense, a better than league average offense over
Speaker 2: the last six weeks. Pitch and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Bobuship misses these three games, and in three games the
Speaker 2: Mets scored four runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I mean, they're a mess. We know
Speaker 1: this is a twenty twenty six New York Mets.
Speaker 2: He's just gotta observe anything on this And that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of all I have for this. I mean, do
Speaker 2: you want do you want to just briefly give to
Speaker 2: give our takes like the first few picks.
Speaker 1: Sure, brief take, just because like Carson Wiggins and Aiden Robbins,
Speaker 1: I have opinions on without doing deeper research than I
Speaker 1: already have. Carson Wiggins. For those who at home, people
Speaker 1: are upset about the pick because he's only thrown fourteen
Speaker 1: innings in college and he's coming off of Tommy John surgery,
Speaker 1: hasn't pitched very much. Hate to break it to you,
Speaker 1: Noel McClain through thirty innings in college, Spencer Schwambach through fifty, Like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fucking matter how many innings you threw in college.
Speaker 1: We were looking at stuff here and in terms of stuff,
Speaker 1: as all the publications who are covering these prospects talk about,
Speaker 1: it's the number two starter ceiling right now in Carson Wing.
Speaker 1: It's in a big reasons. He throws one hundred and
Speaker 1: two miles an hour, he has breaking balls, he has stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just now about getting him healthy and back to
Speaker 1: actually pitching. That is the biggest problem with him right now.
Speaker 2: And he said he is healthy now coming off the
Speaker 2: season because he just got surched he should be. I
Speaker 2: think some of the fair critiques of that pick were
Speaker 2: that the Mets probably had to go far overslaugh just
Speaker 2: in terms of where they drafted him to sign him.
Speaker 2: But I also think the Mets have to play a
Speaker 2: slightly different draft game than most other teams because our
Speaker 2: pool is so much smaller because again the penalty for
Speaker 2: the contacts for back ten picks, we lost compicks from
Speaker 2: them for qualissigned guy's qualifying offers. Like it's just kind
Speaker 2: of the fact of the matter with the way that
Speaker 2: this team is run, which sucked. Maybe something address in
Speaker 2: the future, but for this draft specifically, that was reality.
Speaker 1: The Mets had one pick with an approximate pick value
Speaker 1: over nine hundred thousand dollars. That was the first round
Speaker 1: pick that was twenty seventh overall and dropped because of
Speaker 1: all the money that we spent. The next pick that
Speaker 1: we made was at ninety two, and I do think
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they took Carson Wiggins there
Speaker 1: was because they were like, I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get him at ninety two, and
Speaker 1: that's one of our guys that's on the top of
Speaker 1: our board. At ninety two. They got someone that a
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted for the Mets to get in
Speaker 1: the first round, Aid Robbins, outfielder out of Texas, who
Speaker 1: kind of fell into their laps, which was a really
Speaker 1: nice surprise on us.
Speaker 2: Definitely was and I think that is where a bunch
Speaker 2: of the Mets bonus pull money went to because again,
Speaker 2: big draft video coming in a few days, they didn't
Speaker 2: really take any swings on prep guys or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It seems like their big swing was getting a college
Speaker 2: outfielder in the third round who dropped a lot. And
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know enough about the mbly draft,
Speaker 2: like if a guy like Aiden Robbins, who has who's
Speaker 2: theoretically labeled as first round talent, which we'll get into more,
Speaker 2: drops two rounds, why does he still get the big
Speaker 2: signing bonus.
Speaker 1: Because the other teams are trying to evaluate where their
Speaker 1: money should go, and it's like one of those weird
Speaker 1: things where there's like a a I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: like an agreement by everybody, but it's like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna take him here, you're gonna have to pay him
Speaker 1: a little bit more than what the actual pick is.
Speaker 2: Worth based on what it feels like is that he's
Speaker 2: still going to get almost what a fringe first second round,
Speaker 2: like a top thirty five pick would have gotten. His bonus.
Speaker 1: I will also see because like I do, feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like the speculation on what money
Speaker 1: ends up going out like during these times it's just incorrect,
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where it's.
Speaker 2: I got on he's an authority today, that's likely what.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, all right, then I'll trust you on that one.
Speaker 1: It'll at least the overslot for a pick in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Now we will say the slot is eight fifty nine,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. So if he
Speaker 1: gets like one point five, that's still that's still two
Speaker 1: million under where he would have been in the first round.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, again we don't These numbers don't come out
Speaker 2: for a while. And that's why the MB draft, for me,
Speaker 2: he gets frustrating because it's not like the other drafts
Speaker 2: where it's I want the good player. The whole thing
Speaker 2: is these back room negotiations.
Speaker 1: I don't even think the although this year, more so
Speaker 1: than the previous years, more first round went very much
Speaker 1: more straight up than trying to finagle the money stuff.
Speaker 2: I think I saw that Jim callis nailed, like twelve
Speaker 2: or thirteen picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Katy say Andel was really good too.
Speaker 1: Like the craziest thing was in the first round, Zion
Speaker 1: Rose got taken at six by the Royals, which was
Speaker 1: kind of like a whoe. Didn't see that coming. But
Speaker 1: everything he seems to do that, every draft and everything,
Speaker 1: it never works out. No, Frank Mazacato didn't work out
Speaker 1: like Zion Rose. Good for him, very happy for him.
Speaker 1: But that was because they had two first round picks
Speaker 1: and then their second one. Shout Lance Prostowski, friend of
Speaker 1: the pod, You guy should check out his content. They
Speaker 1: got his number three college pitcher out of the draft,
Speaker 1: who's probably gonna get a little bit of that extra money.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we could reach had to lance to do like
Speaker 2: a pitching prospect stuff. Dad, I'd like to do that
Speaker 2: at some point. Yeah, which I like to lance on again,
Speaker 2: But that's kind of where again we're gonna dive deeper.
Speaker 2: Those are two guys that we have some takes on
Speaker 2: because I think Robins felt because he to me, he
Speaker 2: just looks he profiles a fourth outfielder like you was
Speaker 2: a guy that went from small school to big school,
Speaker 2: had a productive season, but didn't really have the best
Speaker 2: under the hood stuff as a righty bad who probably
Speaker 2: doesn't stick in center field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not the best profile. But I will say, like,
Speaker 1: I think something that we are adjusting to more so
Speaker 1: now with prospects is kind of taking at heart, like
Speaker 1: what they do, especially in a big conference like the SEC,
Speaker 1: like twenty four homers near like four p thirty four
Speaker 1: to twenty six OBP and a eleven hundred ops. It's
Speaker 1: at least worth a look of like, can you continue
Speaker 1: to just keep hitting at every single level that you
Speaker 1: get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, and this this system probby does need
Speaker 2: some college pieces. But I also think this Mets draft
Speaker 2: was a bit of a response. Oh and last year's
Speaker 2: draft was a little younger. Yes, and I do think
Speaker 2: that last year's draft one year out takes a long
Speaker 2: time to value with these draft classes. But some of
Speaker 2: the Mets risks so far, you haven't been able to
Speaker 2: read many rewards from no. So maybe this was no
Speaker 2: overtrection to try and go a little relatively safer. But
Speaker 2: that not Wigans is not safe in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or for him. Don't know, it's weird. I'm very curious
Speaker 2: how this shakes out. I'm excited to do some research
Speaker 2: this week, can get a good draft response for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Tell you what. I love everybody else in our division's
Speaker 1: first round pick. Love it so not? Oh man, I
Speaker 1: love the Brave's first round pick.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: And I love the Phillies first round pick.
Speaker 2: All those smart draft people I follow say the Braves
Speaker 2: had a great draft.
Speaker 1: Aj Grossia is gonna be a real pain in our ass.
Speaker 1: For years and years I thought it was Garcia Grossia, Grossia.
Speaker 2: Okay, the r comes before the a shocking all right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm again excited to get through this draft content.
Speaker 2: This is something I'm very openly. It's a blind spot
Speaker 2: for me in the baseball calendar. Usually could you didn't
Speaker 2: do as much draft content this year.
Speaker 1: The draft class was shit. It was very top heavy.
Speaker 2: Is gonna run the problems with an important birthday possibly
Speaker 2: for years to come. It's very single.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that one's and I have one right around
Speaker 1: the World Series, which is fun, all star breaking and
Speaker 1: the draft really have become a lot more complicated for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a company to reach out to me to
Speaker 2: do draft content this year, and I had to be
Speaker 2: honest with them. I was like, guys, I don't know
Speaker 2: that much about the Draft. I was like, I'd love
Speaker 2: to do this, but I don't think I can.
Speaker 1: That's super funny.
Speaker 2: It's gon take it's gona taven me so much research.
Speaker 2: When I do the hours of research, it's just not
Speaker 2: gonna be worth It's not gonna be worth your offer
Speaker 2: you gave to me. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I love the Draft, but yeah, this year was a
Speaker 1: it was kind of okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just but anyway, big Draft episode coming late this week,
Speaker 2: probably tomorrow the next day.
Speaker 1: It's all we got for you, guys. Thank you for listening,
Speaker 1: thanks for watching.
Speaker 2: Make sure it's got Frankie.
Speaker 1: Oh we got Frankie.
Speaker 2: Probably you think so, oh so Frankie. Frankie Frankie.
Speaker 1: Here he go, Nice Frankie. Frankie Peppers, Frankie PEPs after
Speaker 1: a horrible sweep, tell me this is.
Speaker 4: Frankie peppis hay though, what was your favorite part of
Speaker 4: today's game where my woman commercials, especially the Labors locals
Speaker 4: seven thirty one to like that level lot cong be.
Speaker 1: Reported about that.
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, thank you dude the Labour's local seven thirty one commercial.
Speaker 2: If you're not from New York, and you were ever
Speaker 2: to hear that, you'd be like, what country is that from?
Speaker 2: It feels like it's like, Mike shit, Mike frances To
Speaker 2: doing an ad read for a local for for a
Speaker 2: labor union. Is that's what this entire city is all about.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that never goes to.
Speaker 1: Like, the money's got to be better spent by the
Speaker 1: unions than to pay someone to advertise them.
Speaker 2: Fuck no, Mike Francessa, that's the sports pope.
Speaker 1: That is the sports pope. And he did say Francisco
Speaker 1: Lindoor is going to be traded.
Speaker 2: I think maybe should have called him sports pope on
Speaker 2: this program. But my favorite part of the day, I
Speaker 2: think today was also a commercials It was Gary, Gary
Speaker 2: and Rod did some good riffing.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the day was that I got
Speaker 1: to watch the Mets lose, but I was on a
Speaker 1: boat on the East River, so it was it was
Speaker 1: as out. Yeah, it was electric, great day to be
Speaker 1: on a boat. Good birthday, weekend. Shout out everybody, Shout
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Speaker 1: on the next one.
Speaker 2: He's out, peas out guys.
Speaker 1: Let's go all mate,