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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did

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Speaker 1: cool stuff you were twice weekly reminder that sometimes amongst

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Speaker 1: all the bad things, there's people who try to do

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Speaker 1: the good things and sometimes even succeeded.

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Speaker 2: The good things. I love the good things.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest today is

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Robert, I am Hi. How are you, Margaret?

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. Everyone's having a week, but I'm great.

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Speaker 2: I recreated climate change in minimum in it like a

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Speaker 2: smaller version in my bedroom this week, because I kept

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Speaker 2: feeling as I was sitting down on one corner of

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Speaker 2: my waterbed that I was probably shouldn't be sitting down

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Speaker 2: on that one corner all the time when I got

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Speaker 2: into bed, because it was putting strain on it. And

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Speaker 2: sure enough, I created a pinhole leak in my water bed.

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Speaker 2: Oh did you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: So in a way, yeah, I recreated all of the

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Speaker 2: mistakes that have led us as a species to the

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Speaker 2: current point that we're in.

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Speaker 1: And so there's rising waters, but it's the on the

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Speaker 1: floor of your well.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, the whole waterbed is inside this big plastic container thing,

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Speaker 2: so I can contain it. I've got a patch kit.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to patch it, and then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: use a wetback to soak up the water that's spilled out,

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Speaker 2: so we should be good, which is like the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of cloud seating. I guess Roberto god Lord, yes, no,

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Speaker 2: just no.

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Speaker 1: Robert's trying to live the dream of the seventies and eighties.

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Speaker 2: Always. He always does this.

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Speaker 3: And when he told me this story this morning, I

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Speaker 3: made this face magpie and I went, well.

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Speaker 1: The other things that Robert does besides recreate global warming

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Speaker 1: is yeah, a podcast called Behind the Bastards, which is

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Speaker 1: sort of an inverse cool people show. Yeah, mine came first,

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Speaker 1: but you know it's fine, Yes, and Robert usually I

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Speaker 1: surprise guests about what this is about. But I think

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Speaker 1: you know what this one's going to be about, because

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Speaker 1: I probably told you m It's about the sex pistols

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Speaker 1: and the anarchy in the UK. Yeah, r ai n e.

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Speaker 2: Never mind the Ballocks, never mind the Balkans. That's that bad.

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Speaker 1: Wait, we're not talking about sex pistols.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking Okay, we're not, so I don't okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: I know only one thing about the sex pistols, but

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Speaker 2: it's all of the lyrics to Forget in the Riggin,

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Speaker 2: which I can recite at will anytime you need.

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Speaker 1: I would suspect, without doing a deeper dive, that if

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Speaker 1: we were to do this era, I would cover the

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Speaker 1: clash and you would cover the sex pistols.

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Speaker 2: I like the clash much better than the sex pistols.

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Speaker 2: But Frigging in the Riggin is a fine song.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that song.

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Speaker 2: I only know it was on the Good Ship Venus

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Speaker 2: by christ. You should have seen us. I can't, actually

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Speaker 2: shouldn't read the lyrics to that song because it's going

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Speaker 2: to get me canceled. It doesn't work as well if

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Speaker 2: it's not a pirate shand.

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Speaker 1: We'll pretend that it's because of copyright reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why read the lyrics to Friggin and the

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Speaker 2: Riggin and tell me I wouldn't be canceled for reading

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Speaker 2: those out on air.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked. My favorite punk lyrics is I think

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Speaker 1: it's the exploited sex and violence. Do you know this song?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I think the only lyrics are sex and violence, sex

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Speaker 1: and violence, sex and violence, sex and violence, and then

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Speaker 1: it continues from there. It's a good song. You can

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Speaker 1: replace it with bread and hummus, if you're feeling very positive.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I feel like that's kind of the negative

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Speaker 2: version of the much deeper clash song death or Glory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Yeah, well, actually we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about some death or glory today, okay.

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Speaker 2: Story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't put it by asked them to have

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Speaker 1: going to talk about that time that millions of people

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Speaker 1: saying governance during the Russian Civil War of nineteen seventeen

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, lutily everyone dead, yes.

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Speaker 1: Including today's hero, although once again I'm going to remind

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Speaker 1: a woman military leader. She went from a self described

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Speaker 1: anarchist terrorist to becoming an art student and a French

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Speaker 1: the Germans and the Bolsheviks. She lived on as a

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Speaker 1: And honestly, her history is probably buried because of her gender. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: today we are talking about the legendary Maria Nikki Farova,

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Speaker 1: known also as Marusia, and that's what her friends called her,

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Speaker 1: and that's what everyone else called her. And she's Adamancha

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Speaker 1: to history if she exists at all.

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Speaker 2: That's such a cool name.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: The more famous figure in all of this history is

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Speaker 1: a man named Nestr Makno. And when I first wrote

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Speaker 1: the script, I was expecting to use a different guest.

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Speaker 1: So at this point and I would reference people to

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Speaker 1: go listen to Robert Evans disgusting nest Bakna. So if

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Speaker 1: you like the obscure podcast Behind the Bastards. You might

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Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, are one of our annual Christmas episodes where

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Speaker 2: we do with this show.

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Speaker 1: Does Yeah, which I totally wasn't inspired by what I know.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone knows that I'm making a joke. This

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Speaker 1: show exists because of the Christmas reverse episodes. Nestor Makha

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Speaker 1: is also going to be woven into today's story, but

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Speaker 1: go here. He absolutely earned and deserved his central role

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Speaker 1: Marusia stood like an angel in black on his shoulder,

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Speaker 1: the revolution without delay, because whenever anyone else was doubting,

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Speaker 1: including Nester mackno people, every now and then we're like,

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Speaker 1: immediately robbing the rich, we don't immediately rob the rich.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Mary Usia standing behind you, possibly with

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Speaker 1: And first I'm going to talk some shit on some historians.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it by name.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, clever.

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Speaker 1: There is a pattern I have noticed, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: use MARIUSI as an example. But there's a pattern where

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Speaker 2: Heard of that.

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Speaker 1: I know, well, there weren't any women in history or

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was that was my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean you could put a little footnote like

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Speaker 1: someone probably did the washing, like I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Of this stuff. Yeah, they had to have done the laundry. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: how could the pants be clean? Sure, yeah, exactly. It's

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Speaker 2: going to make someone unhappy.

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian nationalist historians don't write about her because she wasn't

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Speaker 1: a nationalist. Bolshevik historians don't write about her much because

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Speaker 1: she wasn't a Bolshevik. Sometimes, not the Bolshevik historians, but

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Speaker 1: the time, and mostly the Bolsheviks writing about her wrote

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Speaker 1: whether or not it was fair to just call her

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Speaker 1: a bandit. Most of them wrote that she was very

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Speaker 1: ugly and mannish and probably intersects. They did not use

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Speaker 1: that word. They used the word hermaphrodite, and other ones

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Speaker 1: the Bolsheviks writing about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the anarchists who fought alongside her wrote about her

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Speaker 1: anarchist historians currently write about her. The shit I'm about

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Speaker 1: Golden era anarchists of like, this earlier period absolutely had

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Speaker 1: lots of women leaders. They were active feminists in many ways,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the modern anarchists often the same way, and

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Speaker 2: No other than that, you know, when I did the

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Speaker 2: it was like, oh shit, No, I definitely did not,

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Speaker 2: because she probably wasn't in the books that you read. No, No,

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't. I want to think

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Speaker 2: I like deleted her myself. Yeah, and I hope I

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Speaker 2: reread the book since then, right, So I'm gonna hopefully

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Speaker 2: rather than I did it myself. But it's not impossible

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Speaker 2: that I did it myself.

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Speaker 1: Well, in most of the things that I have read

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Speaker 1: about Manknomm. I've read more books about while there's a

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Speaker 1: book and a half about Marie Niki Farova in English, sure,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of the books about Macknow, if they

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Speaker 1: mention her, it's a little bit like prowaway lines and

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Speaker 1: a paragraph here or there. And it's our job as

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Speaker 1: pop historians, you knows, as entertainers to delete the characters

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Yeah, I just watched the Jerry Seinfeld

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Speaker 1: Where they just don't bother including people's names.

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Speaker 2: No, where they just introduce little minor characters that seem

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Speaker 1: but it's a fun fact, So I want to reiterate it.

435
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: During the pogroms by the right wing during the Revolution,

436
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: the anarchist neighborhood of Biali Stock in what's now Poland

437
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: was the one place in that area that the right

438
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: wing dared not go and they couldn't go harass the

439
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: Jews there because most of those Jews were anarchists and

440
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: they had bomb factories, and it's very hard to mess

441
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: with a neighborhood that does that.

442
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bomb factory neighborhood is probably not where you

443
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: want to start shit.

444
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: No, although I mean, on the other hand, it sounds

445
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of explosive. It sounds like flammable.

446
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's one of those it's that you know,

447
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: that version of the don't tread on Me flag. It's

448
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: just a snake wrapped around the hand grenade that says

449
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: fuck with me and I'll kill us all. You know.

450
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: It's that. It's the it's the same thing as like

451
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: sticking a fucking propane tank on the side of your

452
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: bicycle and being like, hit meet cars. What do you

453
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: want to do in a way it's respectable. That is

454
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: in that is two paragraphs from now that is going

455
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: to happen. Okay, good Marosia and Nikki Farova. She's like

456
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: roughly twenty at this point, right, depending on when she

457
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: was born, which Matthew, you believe in, and she is

458
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: all in on this shit. She helped bomb a train

459
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: full of rich people, which didn't actually hurt anyone, but

460
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: it scared the shit out of everyone. Well, good, that

461
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: sounds non problematic. Yeah, I know. It's non violent bombing

462
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: of non violent terror bombing.

463
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it might have been an unsuccessful that might

464
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: have been.

465
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: It's probably more accurate.

466
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: She bombed one factory owner and turned him from a

467
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: person into a ghost. Then she bombed the commercial offices

468
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: of another factory, killing the manager and a security guard

469
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: before robbing seventeen thousand rubles, which this time got mathed

470
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: to fourteen thousand dollars. Who knows.

471
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: Again, everything sounds impressive except for the money, he know,

472
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: it seem like, Yeah, she killed a nine to eleven's

473
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: worth of people and blew up a city block. And

474
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: also she did forty six dollars in damage to the

475
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: local seven eleven.

476
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she walked away with a cool crisp twenty yea.

477
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: This last one, the different problem happened. When I say

478
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: that they robbed a seventeen thousand rubles, they did not

479
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: get away with seventeen thousand rubles, because they did not

480
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: get away at all. Soon the cops show up and

481
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: she's surrounded, and she's like, fuck this. I saw that

482
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: movie Aliens, and I'm just gonna grip this grenade and

483
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: take out a bunch of the cops with me. But

484
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: the bomb didn't go off. Otherwise probably I wouldn't. She'd

485
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: be a footnote if I knew her name at all.

486
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: The bomb didn't go off, and she goes off to prison.

487
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: In nineteen oh eight, she is convicted of killing a

488
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: cop and a four counts of armed robbery, and first

489
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: they give her the death penalty, and then they're like, well,

490
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: you're only twenty, so we're going to commute it to

491
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: twenty years of forced labor.

492
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Because you'd get more than that today for that. Yes,

493
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: that is the thing whenever you go back to these

494
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: like right, if you rebel against the Russian imperial government,

495
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: you either get executed and dumped into a mass grave

496
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: or get like a quarter of the sentence you'd get

497
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: today for the same crimes. So it's one of the two.

498
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and adulthood for legal responsibility was twenty one

499
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: in Czaris Russia. So Czarist Russia, one of the worst

500
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: despotic governments of all time, substantially better about juvenile offenders

501
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: than yeah, well he's a can't go. Yeah, look, we'll

502
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: starve him in his entire family, We'll conscript him to

503
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: go die against the Austrians. But you know, you got

504
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: to have some mercy when it comes to prison sentences.

505
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And uh So, in nineteen oh nine,

506
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: she and twelve other prisoners in the women's prison try

507
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: to bust out, and I wish, I so wish I

508
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: knew more about so many things that are about to happen.

509
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: She tried to bust out, she failed, and so the

510
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: state is like, all right, get the fuck to Siberia,

511
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. You're too much to handle.

512
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: So they sent her off to Siberia, where a lot

513
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: of revolutionaries waited out until nineteen seventeen, when the revolution

514
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: freed them all. Not Maria Niki Farova. She stages a

515
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: riot and escapes. Her and her fellow prisoners riote and

516
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: break out, and then, according to one biography, the revolution

517
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: without delay, she quote fled through the Taiga to reach

518
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: the Trans Siberian Railway. She finally reached Vladivostok, then Japan.

519
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: Helped by local anarchist students who paid for a ticket,

520
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: she managed to arrive in the United States. There she

521
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: found temporary housing among the many anarchist migrants from the

522
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Russian Empire, most of them of Jewish descent, who had

523
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: established themselves in New York and Chicago. Other historians are like, no,

524
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: it was Chinese anarchist students who bought her ticket to

525
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: the US. But the overall nothing has a lot of details.

526
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: But she circumnavigated the world through escape and solidarity.

527
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: And she winds up in the good country finally.

528
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I know she's not going to stay.

529
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: Actually, well it's usually that's actually not an unwise decision.

530
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, she would have been Well, it's funny she

531
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: would have ended up back in Russia in nineteen seventeen anyway,

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: because the group that she falls in with is the

533
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: same group that the first Red Scare is about the

534
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: union of Russian workers who, like a ton of them,

535
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: including Emma Goldman and some other folks that we covered

536
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: last time, get deported back to Russia in nineteen seventeen,

537
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen, some year that I should know when I don't.

538
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: But by nineteen twelve she's like, I don't know. Oh

539
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: if I want to be in the States, like I

540
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: just I have literally no idea motive for going back

541
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: to Europe. I could conjecture I'm going to say that

542
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: the States was boring, So comrades smuggle her back into Europe.

543
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: She tries going to London, then Germany, than Switzerland, and

544
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: then she's like, nah, it's Paris. I gotta be a

545
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: Parisian because now she goes to art school. She fucking

546
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: breaks out of prison. She's a sixteen year old terar.

547
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

548
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think that's where this was going.

549
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: I know, usually people go the opposite direction.

550
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: Art school to become terror sixteen year old terrorist, sure,

551
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: who breaks out of prison, circumnavigates the world, writes for

552
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 5: newspapers in New York City, gets to Paris and goes

553
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: to art school and gets really into sculpture and painting.

554
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: And this is the city where you're supposed to fall

555
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: in love, and she did. She married a Polish anarchist

556
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: named what told Bezosteck, and most accounts emphasize it was

557
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: a marriage of convenience. I think they did this because

558
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: anarchist historians are really annoying and they all have takes

559
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and discourse infuses history, and you're like not supposed to

560
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: get married as an anarchist at this time, and so

561
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: in some ways.

562
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: It's like a hierarchy thing.

563
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, no, totally, it's like it's a feminist thing.

564
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: It's a specific feminist thing where a lot of leftists,

565
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: including a lot of communists, they're not getting married at

566
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: this time. You have Emma Goldman saying those who married

567
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: you ill, and you have like all of this stuff

568
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: around because marriage is a property relationship.

569
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is largely. It's also like

570
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: a thing people basically do in every society. It doesn't

571
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: mean the same thing every time, but like, yeah, I

572
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: get it, I get it out exactly. And anarchists have

573
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 2: also been getting married the whole time, despite what the

574
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: anarchy rules say they're supposed to do. So people present

575
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: this as a marriage convenience because she keeps her own

576
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: last name and he doesn't always he's not always in

577
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: the same place with her as her. Okay, but as

578
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: best as I understand, and I've I've read some accounts

579
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: of the end of this story, and.

580
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't know all of it yet. I might have

581
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: more details by the time we record the next Purse

582
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: three and four. Okay, he dies in her command like

583
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: it's kinky, like he joins her military command later and

584
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: he is executed for the crime of being married to her.

585
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow wow, And that doesn't sound like a marriage

586
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: of convenience. See, that seems really inconvenient to me. Actually,

587
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: Marcur I know.

588
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: I think that they were in love and they were anarchists,

589
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: so she kept her own name and he didn't think

590
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: he owned her. And they went different places at different times,

591
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: and they spent all their time trying to figure out

592
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: how to be together, and they died together. And it

593
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: is beautiful. I love this anarchist love story. I know

594
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: almost something about.

595
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I do think, just as a general rule, you shouldn't

596
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: call it a marriage of cannvenience if it kills one

597
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's not convenient at all. Yeah.

598
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: And so because he is the he has the ultimate

599
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: wife guy fate.

600
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that, that's his wife. Guys.

601
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: It gets yeah, and we stand anarchis wife guys of history.

602
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: So that's another podcast we'll start soon.

603
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. She is one hundred percent part of the movement,

604
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: even when she's like in art school and getting married

605
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, doing all these things is waste

606
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: a time with art and love. While she's wasting her

607
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: time with art and love, she travels to Spain and

608
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: she's like, y'all think that's how you rob a bank.

609
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Let me show you how to rob a bank. But

610
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: she gets wounded in Spain while robbing a bank, and

611
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: she's spirited away back to Paris to recover, okay, and

612
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: this is where no one knows whether or not she's

613
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: in her sex. One version of this history, okay, is

614
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: that while she's in recovery in Paris, she has some

615
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of corrective surgery around her intersex condition.

616
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: Did they have that?

617
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they have been doing like to infants for

618
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: a very long time. I don't have all of this information,

619
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: but like this is also the era where you start

620
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: having the very first gender firming surgeries are happening in

621
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: a few years ago.

622
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that, and like in Germany, Yeah, I.

623
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: Just yeah, okay, I do not know if this part

624
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: of it is true. There's very little information about this part.

625
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: And then if it did happen, we don't know. If

626
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: it was alike, well, you were injured and while we're

627
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: down there, we did this thing without your consent, as

628
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: happens to intersex people all the time, or whether she

629
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: was like, why you're down there, won't we do this thing?

630
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, or if it happened at all, or

631
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: if she was intersex at all, it's conjecture from her

632
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: being ugly is some of the ways that it whatever.

633
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed at all this history, but she's so

634
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: fucking interesting and cool. Again, not the best time to

635
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: go go to Europe is nineteen thirteen. No, World War

636
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: one soon breaks out? And do you know what my

637
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: least favorite historical anarchist discourse of all time is?

638
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Uh?

639
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: No, actually world War One? And whether or not anarchists

640
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: were supposed to support it?

641
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how is that a discourse because there's nothing, there's

642
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: nothing to support in World War One? Right? Well, what

643
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: happened was maybe Belgium, I don't know.

644
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the majority of the anarchist movement, as well as

645
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: I think the leftist and movement in general was like,

646
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: workers shouldn't kill workers, we shouldn't go to war, and

647
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: we will refuse the draft and we will be in

648
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: this context pacifists, because actually it's funny because passifist now

649
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: usually means like also nonviolent protest, whereas a historically pacifism

650
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: also sometimes just means anti war. You know, several major

651
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: anarchist thinkers supported the Allies in World War One, including

652
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Peter Kopak and one of the people I've talked about

653
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: a ton on this show who was as anarchist biologist,

654
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: who I find very fascinating and cool. A lot of

655
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: people are mad now at this. However, a lot of

656
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: people in France were like, we don't want to get invaded,

657
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: so we should join the French army to stop the

658
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: German army. And this is the kind of discourse that's happening,

659
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: and it's a discourse that costs a lot of people

660
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: their lives because people go and join the French army.

661
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of comparisons you can make about

662
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: like that. And how you know, in Ukraine right now

663
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: there are anarchist units fighting embedded in the regular Ukrainian

664
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: military against Russian invasion.

665
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: Yea.

666
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Now in that case, Ukraine is not historically a colonial power.

667
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: It sure is not. It's literally the opposite. Yeah, exactly,

668
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: because I can get the whole like, well, you know, Germany,

669
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: if you're trying to apportion war or guilt, it's certainly

670
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: not like World War Two where it's really clear. But

671
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: you do have Germany fucking up Belgian neutrality from a

672
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: perspective of like, am I willing to suggest people go

673
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: die for Belgian neutrality? Well, Belgium is basically just kind

674
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: of ended the process of committing the greatest war crimes

675
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: in the history or the greatest crimes in the history

676
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: of African colonialism. So like, I don't know, I don't

677
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: give a shit about their neutrality really, and neither shit

678
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: anybody who was that informed on the matter.

679
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense to me. The majority of

680
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: anarchists and I believe communists and other leftists and stuff

681
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: at the time were like, we want to try and

682
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: get out of this war. We want to sit this

683
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: war out as much as possible. But Maurusia joined the

684
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: French army and went to go fight against the imperial

685
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: German invasion. As you know, as I believe she perceived it,

686
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: and I have no idea the means by which she

687
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: did this, And I am so mad that I don't

688
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: know how a woman joined the French Foreign Legion to

689
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: go fight on the front lines against Germany. I don't

690
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: know whether this means she was like a nurse. I

691
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know whether I mean she was cross dressed. The

692
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: most likely thing I think is as she cross dressed

693
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: or I mean, were you used that?

694
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: Definitely people did that. I mean they did in the

695
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: Civil War too, yeah, absolutely, So all I know is

696
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: she goes and fights, and you know, anarchist armies not

697
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: a huge deal to be a woman.

698
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: It's still not the norm at this time, right, but

699
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, she fought at the front for the French army.

700
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: And then in nineteen seventeen Russia famously had a bit

701
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: of a revolution, and at first this time it was

702
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: the right time to do it. Yeah, totally. It almost

703
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: worked out. This time they got further along the process

704
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: to create a free society and had a bit of

705
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: a revolution. And at the first sign of this, she's like,

706
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: I I'm done with the French Foreign Legion. I'm going

707
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: back to Ukraine. And so once again, like it's probably

708
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: not an easy thing to desert the front lines and

709
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: go to Ukraine. Yeah, in this case Russia first. Actually

710
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: she goes yeah, but there's not a lot that Marcia

711
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: cannot do, so she does that. At this point, we're

712
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: gonna have to cliff notes the Russian Revolution, even though

713
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: he did a six parter on it, but first we

714
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: want a cliff notes.

715
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: All of these.

716
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: Ads, including John Cages for.

717
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: These ads will be over as fast as the rest

718
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: of the tsar's life.

719
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: And we're back. And for some reason, people killed the

720
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: kids of these ads too. So you ever heard of

721
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: the Russian Revolution? Yes, there was a czar. He was

722
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: an autocrat. Some women had a strike on International Women's

723
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: Day in nineteen seventeen. The strike generalized. The military was like, yeah, fuck,

724
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: it will help you overthrow the czar, and the tzar

725
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: came tumbling down. This was called the February Revolution because

726
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: it happened with the rest of the world called March.

727
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: Russia was then controlled by what was called dual power.

728
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: There's the moderate socialist provisional government. It's full of folks

729
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: who've been elected to a powerless Congress five years earlier.

730
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: And then there's the Soviets, which start off kind of cool,

731
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: are really interesting, which is a federation of bottom up,

732
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: directly democratic workers' councils. Basically, they're not all necessarily the

733
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: most cool and radical. They're the people who've been elected

734
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: in these areas. Yeah, the two groups pretended like they

735
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: were going to share power. Really they just were vying

736
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: for power against each other for a while. In the

737
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: big picture. In October, a bunch of communists people who

738
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: like the Communes, including the Bolsheviks and the anarchists, use

739
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: guns and gunboats and shit to take power in the

740
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: name of the Soviets. This is called the October Revolution,

741
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: or which happened in November. But again, whatever, I don't

742
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: know why, I like keep liking pointing out that the

743
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: October Revolution happened November.

744
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: It just entertains me.

745
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: It's a discernible reason.

746
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: But it's But it's better too write, like if I

747
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: if I were like responsible for I don't know, putting

748
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: together the propaganda or scripting this as like a movie

749
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: or something. November revolution just doesn't hit the same way

750
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: as October. I don't know why. I don't know why,

751
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: but it's better.

752
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Bolsheviks Eventually they centralized power, They disenfranchise

753
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the Soviets and become rulers of an authoritary, nightmare government

754
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: that paraded around in the skin of communism like some

755
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of nightmare man wearing the skin face of someone

756
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: you love.

757
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: Sure, but happen happens often, many such cases. Yeah, what

758
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet? Yeah, Marusia shows up in Russia. It's

759
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: still dual power times, and she is with the diehard

760
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: anarchists yelling all power of the Soviets, and they're among

761
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: the very first people using that slogan and meaning it.

762
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: Between nineteen oh eight nineteen seventeen, there weren't a lot

763
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: of committed revolutionaries in Russia because they'd all been killed, imprisoned,

764
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: or forced into exile. Some folks kept the torch alive.

765
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: Of course, there was a bunch of anarcho syndicalists in

766
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Kiev and Ukraine. But the nineteen seventeen revolution happened without

767
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: any of the ideologues, without the Bolsheviks, without the anarchists.

768
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: After the revolution, all the political prisoners were set free,

769
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: and they were really excited. They just spent ten years

770
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: in revolutionary finishing school aka prison. The Petrograd Federation of

771
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: Anarchist Groups soon had seventeen thousand active members, which again

772
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: is enough people to believe that everyone is on your

773
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: side except for five people who are mad at you. Yeah,

774
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: and they've got one big idea they want to present

775
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: to people. What if we just take all the rich

776
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: people's shit so that they're not richer than anyone else anymore. Okay,

777
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: because well, February Revolution had removed the aristocracy, it hadn't

778
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: fixed class relations. And one of the ways they did

779
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite things that always comes

780
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: up on the show Squatting. The Governor General of Moscow

781
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: had a summer home in the anarchist neighborhood of Saint Petersburg,

782
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: and so the anarchists were like, this isn't even this

783
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: guy's main house. This is definitely our house now, and

784
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: they set up a baker's union and childcare and a

785
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: library and meeting rooms, and the provisional government and a

786
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: Bolshevik controlled local Soviet are like, y'all can't take the

787
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: rich person's house, and the anarchists are like, but we

788
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: already did. It's our house now. There's a baker's union,

789
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: there's child care, so they barricaded themselves inside, and the

790
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: scary Kronshtat sailors came to protect them, and the supposedly

791
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: revolutionary government came and put them down, killing one defender,

792
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: sentencing a sailor to fourteen years of hard labor for

793
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: having too many grenades on him when they arrested him.

794
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: How many is took.

795
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm guessing one is considered too many grenades. It's kind

796
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: of like boeing whistleblowers to die. Yeah, like two is

797
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: a high number of whistleblowers to die. One is a

798
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: high number, much like hand grenades on you when you're arrested.

799
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

800
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: But don't worry. He broke out a couple weeks later.

801
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: This kicks off the July Days, which is like a

802
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: Russian Revolution one point five, where they tried to create

803
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: communism and equality despite what the Bolsheviks and the provisional

804
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: government had to say on the matter, and in order

805
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: to do that they needed the Kronstat sailors. These are

806
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: the like fighting pride force of the revolution, and they're

807
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: also all stubbornly politically pluralist. They're like, they're not the

808
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: crunched sailors, aren't the anarchists. They're not the SRS, they're

809
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: not the Bolsheviks, they're the like. Well, no one group

810
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: should be in power, and people should be able to

811
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: choose what they want. And the way that they ended up.

812
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Part of the July Days is that our girl Marushia,

813
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: the terrorist and sculptor, went over to the naval base

814
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventeen and gave speeches. Apparently another thing she's

815
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: good at. She didn't single handedly spark this revolt, but

816
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: she was part of it. Her power as a speaker

817
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: becomes sort of legendary. In particular, she's good at talking

818
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: to groups of armed men who are like the toughest

819
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: motherfuckers about why they should support the revolution instead of

820
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: doing whatever they were already doing. She's not a good

821
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: like go speak to the like liberal middle class. She's alike, Oh,

822
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: right wing dudes with guns. I'll tell them to change

823
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: their minds. Thousands of soldiers and workers armed the teeth

824
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: took the streets, demanding all power to the Soviets before

825
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: the Bolsheviks and the provisional government put them down. Lots

826
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: of revolutionaries had to flee after this, Most went in

827
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: nearby Finland. Marushia, though, she was like, I miss Ukraine.

828
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: It's been a while. I'm gonna go home. So in

829
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: July nineteen seventeen, after eight years and literally traveling all

830
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: the way around the world, fighting in a whole ass war,

831
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: breaking out of prison at least once, and hanging out

832
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: with anarchists from Japan and the US and Europe, she's like,

833
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to Ukraine, where I think I

834
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: haven't finished writing the script. I think everything was peaceful

835
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: and fine, and she lived out the rest of her

836
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: life as a sculptor, and I think that's probably what

837
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: we're going to cover in part two.

838
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: That sounds right, That's got to be part two.

839
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't think of anything else that happened.

840
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: How everything was fine forever.

841
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: No one read a history book between now and Wednesday.

842
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: One day, I'm going to just take one of these

843
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: and just go Have you ever been tempted to just

844
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: go entirely off the rails?

845
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like that happens accidentally sometimes, Robert.

846
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: You're asking Robert that question, like I would like one

847
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: day I'm going to make up a fictional character and

848
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: tell you all the story, and then they're just going

849
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: to like live out the rest of their days happy

850
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: after doing wild stuff.

851
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool people who got away with doing cool stuff.

852
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: We talked about Jose Muhika. He kind of was that

853
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: kind of guy, which is this is the president of

854
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: Uruguay who was an anarchist, terrorist, bank robber and then

855
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: became the president. Yeah that's true. Yeah, he was kind

856
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: of like it wasn't a perfect president, but no one

857
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: ever is. Yeah, no, and there.

858
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: Are plenty of people who do live out the rest

859
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: of their days happy. I just am always like tempted

860
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: to edit history as I go and I don't do it.

861
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: But I'm always the trouble with history. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But if people like history, do you have anything

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Speaker 1: that you could point them towards proberts?

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Speaker 2: Yes. History tells us that the one thing you can

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Speaker 2: do to make yourself happy is to read Margaret Killjoy's

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Speaker 2: new book, The Sapling Cage.

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Speaker 1: That's the only plug. But I'll take I'll take a

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Speaker 1: me plug.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I've got. That's my plug for this week, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I have a book called The Sapling Cage. We just

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Speaker 1: did the cover reveal today as we recorded.

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Speaker 2: This kind of stole my idea for a plug. But Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been thinking about starting a new show that's

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Speaker 1: the inverse of Cool People Did Cool Stuff. We're going

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Speaker 1: to call it Bad People Who Did Bad Things and

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Speaker 1: it's now available wherever you get your podcast and it's

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Speaker 1: hosted by me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sounds like the newest idea in podcasting. We'll check

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Speaker 2: that out, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, if you got anything to plug, like any

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Speaker 1: kind of new cool Zone Media podcasts or anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a new podcast called sixteenth Minute of

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Speaker 4: Fame that is live now on all the podcast apps.

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Speaker 4: It is a weekly podcast and Jamie Loftus has really

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Speaker 4: brought it. So check that out.

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Speaker 2: Wherever you get your podcasts, check it out.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, bye bye everyone.

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Speaker 4: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 4: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 4: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out

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Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 4: your podcasts.