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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven

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Speaker 1: for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, Phil,

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Speaker 1: start the machinery started, machine is starting. Now, Explain this again.

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Speaker 1: Explain the sentence he used when you were turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: he said, He said, this is Michael Pecan farmer. I

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Speaker 1: I said, this ain't Tiley Winks. We gotta get out

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Speaker 1: don't know in today's society if you can say somebody's

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Speaker 1: like it was he brings out his wife, go to

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Speaker 1: I'm glad here that the Americans best at the French

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Speaker 1: hell where that comes from? The movie. There's a movie

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Speaker 1: there's like a Western or something. We're Josie Wales. What's

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Speaker 1: you're whistling Dixie m m, like they'd never best the North. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Josie Wales was the Confederate soldier. Yeah, just an outlaw

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Speaker 1: Patella Senior Michael wall The I understand now Pecan farmer,

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Speaker 1: Pecan farmer outdoor. Once upon a time, you still working

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Speaker 1: Krin's not sure if it happened or not yet, but uh,

423
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Speaker 1: you know he's had Hampton sides on and he's working

424
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Speaker 1: on a book about Captain Cook. Yes, they might have

425
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: found a ship. I didn't know it was missing, but

426
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Speaker 1: they might have found a ship. Did you know what's

427
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Speaker 1: missing Captain Cook? Ship? Is that the No? He was like, no, no,

428
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking Captain Hook. No, I'm I'm thinking of the

429
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: one where they were the pirate shirt they're protecting this ship.

430
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: What was that one that was and the kids got

431
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: the pixie dust and flies around? But I was like, no,

432
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: I met that guy. Yeah, Doctor Hook, Captain cap'n Cook

433
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Speaker 1: was I don't know what happened to him, Like this

434
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: thing is. I just know that he gets killed in Hawaii,

435
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: stabbed in the surf. But I never thought about what

436
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: happened to his ship after that. But apparently it goes missing.

437
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: So this is way way back. I mean, this is like,

438
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: what the hell you're Captain Cuttin Hook? What you're to

439
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: Captain Cook get killed? We got a clear a Doctor

440
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: Hook had great band. Captain Hook fictional captain. I did

441
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: meet him in Disney World. He's never got older, he's

442
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: doing good. We're talking about Captain Cook who uh was?

443
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: I guess like the the like a national hero right

444
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: for England and discovered all these new lands, including the

445
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: Sandwich Island Islands, which is the island chain of Hawaii.

446
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: Um I always screw that up. I keep learning that

447
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: and forgetting it. Yeah, Like when you see a reference

448
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: to the Sandwich Islands in the history, that's what they're

449
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: talking about. But Captain Cooks journey ended there in Hawaii

450
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: and then his ship and crew continued on. I didn't

451
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: under was it scuttled? Did they lose it in a

452
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: in a storm? I didn't understand that it was lost.

453
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was purposely sunk out there. From

454
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Speaker 1: an article in The Guardian, it says it was scuttled

455
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Speaker 1: in Newport Harbor by British forces in seventeen seven and

456
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Speaker 1: eight during the American War of Independence. That's right, block

457
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: the herb. Well, but why are the Australians mad? Then

458
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: they're just mad to still wearing mask I think this okay,

459
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like a joint group working on

460
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: recovering bits and pieces and saying for sure this is

461
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: the endeavor even though there's a bunch of ships scoutled

462
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: out there um. The reason that the Australian National Maritime

463
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: Museum is in a beef over this thing is because

464
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: even though they're a joint group, they came out and

465
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Speaker 1: they said this is for sure the endeavor. Even though

466
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: the joint group is pretty sure, but others in the

467
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: group are saying, we still got a little discovery. The

468
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: ozis jumped the gun on the whole thing. Ye can

469
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: you tell I didn't read the article. It's not obvious

470
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Speaker 1: and I correct my So the Aussee people are not aggravated.

471
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's their government is still frustrated about something.

472
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: Many Uh oh, this is good, this is this is

473
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: a joke, right, Yeah, we're talking about how to score

474
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Speaker 1: a squirrel. Boone and Crockett get a Boone and Crockett

475
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: score off a squirrel. And the guy rode in a

476
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Speaker 1: little diagram showing how to score it. He says he

477
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: found it years ago. So it's length of a buck

478
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: squirrel forehead to tip of tail, length of head behind

479
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: the ears to the tip of the nose, testicular circumference.

480
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: Come on, now, A plus B plus C equals your

481
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: squirrel's nut and chatter score. Now here's my issue with

482
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: that as we discussed my carp can came from Michael.

483
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that, uh, some squirrels will bite

484
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: the nuts off of other squirrels here? Oh yeah, I've

485
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: heard that cast right, you had a dominance or heard that?

486
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: With this scoring? Is that it measures? He went and

487
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of eggheads scientists who told that

488
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: the squirrels don't do that. I was gonna say, I

489
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: can't say I remember ever dressing a squirrel. I'm like, yep.

490
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: Squirrel doctor John Kopowski told us on this podcast they

491
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: don't chew the nuts off of other squirrels, but their

492
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: nuts are always ascending or descending up into their abdomen.

493
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: So at any point during squirrel season, you got a

494
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: percentage of squirrels run around out there who don't have

495
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: visible not right now because it's a squirrel rut right now,

496
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: well not right now, that's right, but like in fall,

497
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: they have their nuts up in their abdomen for the

498
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, but there's a big percentage of turkeys

499
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: that don't have spurs, and you like to uh score those.

500
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, but you wouldn't like kill

501
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: a white tail in March and then be like, well,

502
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: he's a zero because he doesn't have his handlers on

503
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: a good point. And it wouldn't be fair to score

504
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: Southern may and ice fishing for the first time. I'd

505
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: be unfair. I like the rest of it, but don't

506
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: agree with that measure. Oh here's our news item. I've

507
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: heard about this before. There's a there's a plant that

508
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: people plant in their yards. It's like a highly toxic

509
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: to wildlife, and they just had five otherwise healthy elk

510
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: died in the Wood River Valley, Cal's old stomping grounds

511
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: north of Haley and Idaho, where First Light is headquarters.

512
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: Someone points out eating ornamental landscaping the U plant toxic

513
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: to both wildlife and pets. Blaine County issued an ordinance

514
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: back in two thousand sixteen banning the planting of the

515
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: U plant because of how deadly it is the elk.

516
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: Fun fact for you, You plants are very common ornamental

517
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: plants around cemeteries, which kind of ties into the Yeah,

518
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: and you often see with brows lines, which is alarming.

519
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: They put it around cemeteries because we're trying to so death.

520
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think it's just like a hardy thing

521
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: that you know, doesn't need a whole lot of attention,

522
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: but it is common around cemeteries. Has who's read about

523
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the moose that that beat the living hell out of

524
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: the sled dog team? I saw that. I heard this

525
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: is an idea rode musher uh spend an hour stopping

526
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: the sled dog team. The musher empties her gun into

527
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: the moose, still keep stomping. Mm hmm. I saw that

528
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: actually on a on a news app, and I can't

529
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: believe I didn't read it, but the headline kind of

530
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: said enough. You know, he trampled the team and then

531
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: turned for us and charged us humans who sought refuge

532
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: behind our our machine. But unfortunately he turned around and

533
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: went back to the team and for nearly an hour continued.

534
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: So that's where all those twenty two bullets went when

535
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: they couldn't find any That's what she had trying to find, wondering.

536
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Eventually the moose died. One of the dogs is still

537
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: fighting for its life. Geez, you know your twenty two

538
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: shall comment because you know how she closes it out.

539
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: Might have been carry bigger gun. That's true. I've often

540
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: thought I said that one time actually at the Nashville

541
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: turch Federation. We were talking everybody. I had all my

542
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: friends that would come like, hey, man, what are you.

543
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: You've been able to get the AMMO? And I'm like,

544
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean I got some and everybody, and I'm sure

545
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: this happened out here. People is like, man, I've been

546
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: buying all the twenty twos I can And I'm like,

547
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: you ever thought of a three all three or eight

548
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: maybe thirty all six? I said, that's gonna be a

549
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: tough ord to fight with just twenty two, you know,

550
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: when that was going on. I mean it's still going on.

551
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: But when like the with the first animal shortage, it's

552
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: like I fell to the I became the same as

553
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: everybody else, like your whole life. You're going to you

554
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: like a box you'd buy like like like for Christmas,

555
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: you might get one of those little mini milk, those

556
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: little milk things, Like in your stocking. There'd be like

557
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: two of those milk things. You're like, okay, there's like

558
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: years twenty two shells and every order of those about

559
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: thirty shells end up in your carpet. Actually, that Christmas

560
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: day on three you started shooting that AMMO and enjoying it.

561
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: Once we got onto those tube fed Marlin twenty two.

562
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: We needed like more of those things. But anyway, so

563
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: then like the AMMO shortage comes. Then one day I'm

564
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: in Cabela's and they got a thing up that you're limited,

565
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: like you're limited to two cases or two cars, whatever

566
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: the hell it was long. That was the first time

567
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I ever bought a brick brick, first time I ever

568
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: brought a brick in my life. Is the minute someone

569
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: told me that's as much that, Like I could only

570
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: buy that many, I'm like, why better buy two? I

571
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: still I don't even know what I have to I

572
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: feel compelled to buy like that volume of you. You're

573
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: like maybe you know, you do a lot of promotions,

574
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: so you know, from different stores Cabella's, bass Pros to

575
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: independent dealers, and I catched myself. I I even saw

576
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: a sporting the store downtown last night, and I was thinking,

577
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: I promise you going and say if I got some

578
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: twenty two hurt. I think it's hilarious, Like you bring

579
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: up this idea like you used to be, like you

580
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: got that, and then he immediately started shooting. It was

581
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: an immediate need, immediate grati joined it. Don't want to

582
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: shoot it. Yeah, it's like I have a serious hatred

583
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: of ornamental towels. Yeah right, it's like, oh no, those

584
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: are the looking at the towels for you, right, And

585
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's like going, don't go cracking

586
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: in the twenty two shelves. I know what. I've got

587
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: four boys, and so they're you know, living on the

588
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: farm now, I mean they're just I love it because

589
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: they just out and about and they're squirrel hunting every

590
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: day or shooting at cans and stuff. And I caught myself,

591
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, okay, hey, family meeting, all right,

592
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: you little jerks. I counted I had seven thousand, four

593
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: hundred three bullets and I'm down to seven thousand. Who shot?

594
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: You know? I caught myself like what am I doing?

595
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do with all these twenty two shields?

596
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: But we got them. So if a war can be

597
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: one in America on twenty two shilds, nobody will mess

598
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: with us. Nobody got to talk to the mushroom and

599
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: get some feedback. Well this year, I mean, think of

600
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: the different all the duck hunting and run around I did.

601
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: I was exposed to more UH brands of shell manufacturers

602
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: than I ever have been in my life. And that's

603
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: where somebody who's been shooting a shotgun for a long

604
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: long time. Because more and more manufacturers were like sourced

605
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: and sought out and and and being successful, and well

606
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: you mean like the big the retailers were trying to

607
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: go anywhere they could go, anywhere they could go from

608
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: Turkey and and France and Spain and so like you're

609
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: buying like those what's that company foci? Yeah, Fioki. Here

610
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: here's something interesting to on the subject that that shows

611
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: that it is deep, Steve. Is the fact that I

612
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: get a call from Blake Shelton was a last year

613
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and he says, hey, what hell don't you work with

614
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: Houarnty and those guys? And I said, I do? I do?

615
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: He said, man, I I'd like to get some mammo

616
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: and um. And so getting back to the twenty twos,

617
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: he said, and you know he and Gwyn now Stefani,

618
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: who you wouldn't think of as a kind of a

619
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: conservative and hunting and fishing and she's kind of she

620
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: don't even eat meat, but yet she's super sweet, coolest

621
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: girl you ever seen in very like loves to see

622
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: Blake and he's hunting buddies and just treated us, my

623
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: wife and all everybody around Blake's friendship great. But even

624
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: she mentions, shouldn't we get some bigger AMMO than twenty twos?

625
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: And so so I'm asking Blake and and it's funny

626
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: to know that this twenty thing is really the first

627
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: thing I tell Blake, I said, Blake, Yeah, and those

628
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: guys would be glad to let you buy something, I

629
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: would assume, I said, But they don't make twenty twos.

630
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: He said, Man, I got a lot of twenty twos.

631
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: I need some six and two forty three. And I just,

632
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny, but it's so true. I

633
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: don't know what the I mean, nobody had to market

634
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: that round. It just hey, we should probably get some,

635
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: you know. A matter of fact, I'm like to leave

636
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: in a minute. IM gonna run that down there. Uh.

637
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: I want you to tell a story, Michael that I'm

638
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: sure you told a bunch of times, um, but I

639
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: haven't heard it from you. But just like it's sort

640
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, it's part of the legend of

641
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: Michael Waddell's you've gone on and have done. I don't know, man,

642
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: is it fair to say, decades of outdoor media, I

643
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: really have. You know, I started when I was eighteen,

644
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, working essentially at realtory through competition, turkey colling

645
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: and guide and so's all I really know is this industry.

646
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, and talk tell about like how the like

647
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: you kind of got like your sort of genesis was

648
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: a turkey calling contest. Yeah, walk me through how that

649
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: all went down. It was. It was crazy. Um, you know,

650
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: being from the South and you know, very similar to

651
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the Northeast, you know, where you grew up in Michigan,

652
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: while you got us here in Pennsylvania, everybody seemed to

653
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: hunting fish. And it was just a natural thing. It

654
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: wasn't something just did for a hobby. It's just like

655
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: it was a lifestyle. You didn't it's all you knew.

656
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: You just did it. I mean, you ate to meet

657
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, you had there was mounted deer heads and

658
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: almost everybody's home there in our restaurants, and so it

659
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: was never even a conversation of who didn't hunting fish.

660
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: It's just everybody did. And so growing up, you know,

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I started just like everybody else. Squirrel rabbit, you know,

662
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: didn't lead the deer. And then when I was around

663
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen the the state introduced wild turkeys to

664
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: our area in Georgia, and I guess we had been

665
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: wiped out down there. They had pretty much been wiped

666
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: out because there was a few counties that had a

667
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: decent population. But I lived in in an area called Maryweth,

668
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: a County, Georgia, and we didn't really have any turkeys

669
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: and never had seen one of my life. Didn't realize

670
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: that they had to do that. They actually had to

671
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: augment the population down there. They did. They did a

672
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of Nationale turch Federation was very involved. Now there's

673
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: an organization called Turkeys for Tomorrow that's doing it. But

674
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: they're they're doing all these uh you know. The most

675
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: successful way they found they would never turkeys in one

676
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: area in Georgia, and in some cases they might bring

677
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: them in from Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania restocked a lot of

678
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: the Southern states, so it was a pretty cool story

679
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: of what they did. But certain areas did have a

680
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: decent amount of turkeys and so, but our area didn't.

681
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: So when they introduced him. I remember my uncle Morgan

682
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: come in one day and he's like, you ain't gonna

683
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: believe what I saw down at the corner stand and

684
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm like, you know, I'm like twelve,

685
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, like you know everything, no wild turkey, and

686
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: it was just like a unicorn or something. And so

687
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's like another spring goes by my dad

688
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: A literally we we start turkey hunting. Well, I just

689
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: fell in love with it. And the first time that

690
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: my dad and I went together, um, we were successful

691
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: and we got a turkey, and I just thought that

692
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: it was the coolest thing ever to interact and and

693
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: call and talk. And so quickly into that, I started

694
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: really just getting into the turkey hunters and the turkey

695
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: callers and and a lot of these grand national champions

696
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: like the Walter Parrott from Missouri. UM. You had you know,

697
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: callers like Terry Ram who were just world champions and

698
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: and just some of the best Paul Butsky who's from

699
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: New York, UM anyway, and I just immediately I remember

700
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: going to the sports shows like anywhere, and I'd be

701
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: like hoping I could run into one of those guys

702
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: who shake their hand, and then they were all these

703
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: turkey calling contests. So I just started practicing up and

704
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: a guy named del Rom not right there from your area.

705
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: He uh he. He was just a manufacturer that that

706
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: built a lot of calls. He had a lot of

707
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: amish there in the area that was building some unbelievable

708
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: box calls and stuff. And so he just kind of

709
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: took me under his wing and said, hey, you're a

710
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: pretty good caller. You need to get in the contest.

711
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: And and he sent me a box of turkey calls

712
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: for free, and I couldn't believe it. He said, but

713
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: I'm only sending these because I want you to compete.

714
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: The first contest ever got into was a Georgia state

715
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: championship and then I got like, I was like third place.

716
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: So it freaked me out. And I'm calling against these

717
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: guys that are my heroes, like I'm intimidated to be

718
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: around him. And when it comes to this turkey calling

719
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: world or circle and um and back then we'd go

720
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: to contest, even it'd be anywhere from five hundreds to

721
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: thousand people watching a contest. You know, it was kind

722
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: of intriguing. So I started doing good and really I

723
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: was seventeen eighteen, and that's where I met the people

724
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: at Real Tree. I started meeting other people in the industry,

725
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: other personalities and and things like that, and that just

726
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: led to actually first being a guy. I remember Bill

727
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: Jordan's Uh he Happened? Real Tree was based in Columbus, Georgia,

728
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: which was only about an hour from where I grew up.

729
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: And so David Blanton, who was their producer, and back

730
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: then they had their show on t n N, the

731
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Nashville Network, and it kind of got put away and

732
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: UM changed pass far as that network, and UM they

733
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: were doing writers, so outdoor writers and media that was

734
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: the media for writing. You know, they didn't have the

735
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: TV shows and obviously not podcasts like this to get

736
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: the word out. Message. It was all through the writers.

737
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: And so we would have a realtory would have these

738
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: big writer hunts and then have all these writers from

739
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Brad had Herned into you know, Bubba Phillips to you know,

740
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: Laurleie Dovie, all these writers, you know, even Jim Shocky

741
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: and people like that, would would come down in Turkey

742
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: hunt for articles that they could turn around and sell

743
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: to these publications. And obviously Bill getting this message about

744
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: this camouflage, so they invited me to help guide on

745
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: some of those hunts, to guide the writers, and I

746
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: just I couldn't believe it. I remember I showed up

747
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: and uh, two things I couldn't believe that. One is

748
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: it buy my dinner at night, like Bill would buy

749
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: my dinner, and I remember, you know, and then then

750
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: we would go hunting, and I remember like after the hunt,

751
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: we never talked about it, but I remember David Blanton said, hey,

752
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I need you so security number. Like what did I do?

753
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I thought I got in trouble. He said, no, man,

754
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay We're gonna pay you. And I'm like, whine, dude,

755
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I had a blast. You guys

756
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: bought my dinner and you know, and stuff like that,

757
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: and no, man, we're gonna pay you a hundred dollars

758
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: a day to help help guide these writers. Man, we

759
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: appreciate it. So dude, I man. I was literally like

760
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: Red wrote, load up the truck and go to Beverly Hills.

761
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it, this is it. And through

762
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: that I just started meeting know a lot of personalities

763
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: that I looked up to, like I remember Dale Earnhardt

764
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: coming down and and I remember Tomboud Intimidate and I

765
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: had won the world championship. That year, me and a

766
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: guy named Ricky Joe Bishop would want to two man

767
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: team like scenario deal and we we want it and

768
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: one I don't know, it's like a thousand bucks we won.

769
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: And you know in these cool you know, world champion

770
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: titles or whatever, and who was that put on by?

771
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: That was put on at the time by mass joke

772
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: down in Birmingham, Alabama. They had it every year. And

773
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: then obviously the Grand Nationals was put on by the

774
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: Nationale Turkey Federation. And then they had another thing called

775
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: the US Open, like it's some golf that it was

776
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Turkey and UM, and so that was the one. You

777
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: had three big prestigious titles and uh two of those

778
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: I was able to win UM in a in a

779
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: two man team Grant Championship. And then the US Opened

780
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: the best ever done with sacking place. And so through

781
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: that I kind of met a lot of people. And

782
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: obviously I still love to the deer hunt stuff like that.

783
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: But what was so funny was is um when I

784
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: look back on those days, man, I just like again,

785
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I just thought everybody knew about these things things in

786
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: the galaxy. I was just in my own little bubble

787
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: and in the Corin Corina and I were talking a

788
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: little bit prior to this podcast. It was just so

789
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: amazing to see all the other cultures because I'd only

790
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: seen the small area in the south, and I was

791
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: meeting people from the Northeast for the first time, getting

792
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: to be buddies with Dale Rahm and Terry Rahm, and

793
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I was meeting people like Paul Butsky from Niagara Falls,

794
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: New York, meeting people like Dick Kirby, who was a legend,

795
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I just one is I realized the

796
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: different cultures and what you ate what you saw, and

797
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: then I started seeing going to these different places, I

798
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: started realizing that there was a lot of people that

799
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: didn't kind of like my kind, not necessarily my kind,

800
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: but just any of us who hunted and fish. And

801
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: I was actually kind of just kind of tore up

802
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: about it, like I couldn't unders. Yeah, I was. I

803
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: went to a workshop one time to learn how to

804
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: edit in Rockport, Maine, and um, yeah, it was put

805
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: on as an international Felmine Arts. Still, I don't know

806
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: how they found this. I thought it was kind of

807
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: tortured just to throw me into the like not through

808
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: like writers association. No no, no, this was later, so yeah,

809
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: I kind of got a head in the story. So

810
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: so basically what happened was I was guiding and I

811
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: started doing that, and um, a lot of the writers

812
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: become buddies, and a lot of these you know, different

813
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: celebrities to come in. They got to be friends and

814
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: and one of the most intimidating things that ever happened

815
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: to me early on far as kind of when you

816
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, when you're trying to be quarterback, I guess

817
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: or you put in to be a quarterback. Remember Dale

818
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: Earnhardt was down and uh and Dale was kind of

819
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: very intimidating kind of guy, and he said, uh, we

820
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: had hunted together one time before and killed a turkey.

821
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: And so he gets down there and I'm I'm nineteen

822
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: years old, twenty one maybe. And Dale gets down there

823
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: and that morning before he says, hey, I'm want I

824
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: want to go with that young world champion. And I

825
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm Michael, you know, and He's like, yeah,

826
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: I want, I'm going with you. And somebody said and

827
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: somebody else like, now I was gonna take it note,

828
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I ain't going to I said, I know he'll get

829
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: me a turkey, said, boy, you're gonna get me a turkey.

830
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't yes run out to the trust,

831
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: Come rum man, I gotta get deal with turkey. Thank

832
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: god we did. And so to the day he passed

833
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: away in that dreadful accident Daytona, he had always come

834
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: down and he'd want to hunt with me and David

835
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Blanton and another guy named Glenn Garner, and he just

836
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: had complete confidence that we'd would, you know, get a turkey.

837
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: And so I think for me as a young man,

838
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: started building confidence that first of all, like, man, this

839
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: is fun, this is awesome, and that that first place

840
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: of I played sports and stuff, and and it led

841
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: to Bill Jordan and David offered me a full time

842
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: job to UH to work in production, to to video

843
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: and guide. So I never was hired to be this

844
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: creative production guy. I was hiring more to in those days.

845
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: Just like a lot of times still in your world, Steve,

846
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have somebody that's interested in the space.

847
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: It could be a celebrity and and so at that

848
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: particular time, it could have been a country singer or

849
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: somebody that wasn't that good, but they enjoyed it and

850
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: of course it was a good marketing platform for them

851
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: in the T n N days too, for Mark Chestnut

852
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: or Sammy Kershaw or Hank Williams Jr. To be on

853
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: that particular TV show, especially with the connection in the

854
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: day with Nashville Network and hunting shows that come in

855
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: that Sunday night block. So we'd follow NASCAR race. Well

856
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: there'd be millions of people watching this outdoor programming, and

857
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: so so we would go and a lot of times

858
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: they would say, hey, we're gonna send you with Michael.

859
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: So they know they knew I wasn't like the most

860
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: creative guy, but they knew I could keep things in

861
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: focus and I could kind of coach them along, like hey,

862
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, push your safety off. Now, Hey don't move,

863
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: but you know he's coming closer, you know. So so

864
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: I was kind of guiding slash you know, Slash video

865
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: and and and so with that, I just fell in

866
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: love with the job. And I didn't know anything about editing,

867
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: and that's when they David Blanton said, man, we need

868
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: to teach you how to edit. And at the time,

869
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: that was when everything was going from linear to non

870
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: linear digital and the Avid and all the different software

871
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: writing edit right, Well, yeah, I I when it was

872
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: coming to editing with me. You know, first of all,

873
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I still I'm pretty good writing, but I had to

874
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: have a really good editor because I I'll write like

875
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: I talked, so I need I don't know where to

876
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: put the commas and all every time. But when it

877
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: comes to you know, video editing, they sent me to

878
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: this place in Maine, Rockport, Maine. I don't know if

879
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: it's still happening. They used to have these crash courses,

880
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: like for a week or two week courses if you

881
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: wanted to learn how to you know, cinem photography or

882
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: on six temimeter film or you know. I'm sure it's changed.

883
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: This was back in the early nineties. But I remember

884
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: going up there and they sent me to school for

885
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: nine linear or editing. And I remember what was the

886
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway. Everything was shot on these big beta tapes

887
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: and so for me, my buddies couldn't believe I had

888
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: access to this footage of back then the Monster Bucks

889
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: videos and all Stars of Sprame videos that Realtrey was

890
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: setting in Walmart stuff. So I took all these masters

891
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: are dub of these masters of all these hunts. So

892
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be like this hero, like

893
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna show up and they ain't gonna believe this.

894
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Young kids got all this awesome his great cameras, you know,

895
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, if I showed up there, you know,

896
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: with my buddies, you know, up with me, either're like, hey, yeah,

897
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: we got something good. If we've all been young learning,

898
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: if this stuff, will I show up? Man, I might

899
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: as well have been to Antichrist. And they're like, and

900
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: I remember what's sitting in class. And I told the teacher,

901
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I said, I said, man, I worked for a company,

902
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to do it. I said,

903
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good tape to tape, I said, but obviously

904
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: this is the way things are going. And they sent

905
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: me here to learn, and it was a seven day

906
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: course and and I remember saying, I got some unbelievable footage.

907
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: And they had everything was on high eight and VHS,

908
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: and so they were struggling to get content to digitize

909
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: into computers. I said, man, I got some really nice stuff,

910
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: but you know, if you'd like to see it. And

911
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: so the instructor or the professor teacher, he said, I'd

912
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: like to see it. So I showed him he was, Oh,

913
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: my god, are y'all shooting us on the b VP

914
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: ninety And I'm like, yeah, I think that's the name

915
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: of it. Man, that's a sixty tho all the camera,

916
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: I said, I know, many what do y'all do? So

917
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: he's really intrigued. I said, well, my boss, you know,

918
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: they got to show on t n N and I'm

919
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: just a guy slash camera guy. But you know, this

920
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: is the stuff. And I said, and they sent me

921
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: here to learn how to edit hunts and to get better,

922
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: so I can obviously post and send this to t

923
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: n N. You know, I said, I just I don't

924
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: know nothing about c G. I don't know. I don't

925
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: know the the the way, the right way, or the

926
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: code of of certain things. And we had cutaways and

927
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So anyway, I'm learning. Well, he shares

928
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: it with the class, and he remember the first time

929
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: ever i'd heard somebody quickly making an excuse like you said, look,

930
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys are not gonna agree with this,

931
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, no, nobody's not. I mean, don't these

932
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: guys eat. Don't these guys eat? You know, like for

933
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: sure you know? And anyway, sure enough, I remember a

934
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: couple of the girls got up and said I stood

935
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: up in the class and said I want to have

936
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: anything to do with that. And I'm like, man, and

937
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you want to talk about feeling

938
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: like the dumb he'll billy redneck from Georgia. I did

939
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: then because I'm like, man, I'm sorry. You know, I

940
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is And finally I started getting

941
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: piste off. I'm like, look, I'm here to do a job.

942
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I got a job. Mom and Daddy

943
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: didn't send me up here. Hell, I'm here because I

944
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: got I got a job and I'm gonna learn that

945
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: it this. And I told instructor, I said, look, if

946
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: you knew me, just you know, hang out and go

947
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: catch lobster out here in the port and help with

948
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: the fisherman there. In the meantime, I'll come back. You

949
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: can teach me how to edit this, dear foot, but

950
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: I gotta learn how to hit these hunts. And uh.

951
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: And there was one dude from Ontario that was there

952
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: that stood up and said, hey, I agree with Michael.

953
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: You know I grew up hunting the fishing and all.

954
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: You don't understand it. But uh. And at the end

955
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: of it, they made us edit this this piece together

956
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: from the footage that it looked like all the animals

957
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: had gotten away, and um, because they made us edited

958
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: that way. And I was mad. And for some reason,

959
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: for some dumb reason, I never done any public speaking,

960
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: but every night I had just turned twenty at that point.

961
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: You hadn't done public speaking. I hadn't done any public

962
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: speaking at that point none. And for some reason the instructor,

963
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: he and I, I guess because I was spent a

964
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: lot of one on one time just because I was anxious,

965
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, just I really was. I wanted to

966
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: come back and be able to press David and Bill

967
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: and let them know, hey, I'm ready, I can do this.

968
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: And at the time we had just bought and put

969
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: in a studio there in Columbus, Georgia with a non

970
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: linear system, all the hard drives, and and nobody knew

971
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: how to run it, like, didn't really know how to

972
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: turn it on. Even our main editor, who actually had

973
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: worked at NASA. He was had the big you know,

974
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: like a cockpit and all these machine to tape to

975
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: tape and and c G and you you know, hit

976
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: this button, something flew in so nobody knew this. This

977
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: is back in there, like I said, early nineties, right

978
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: when the Avid come out. So I was really really

979
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: anxious to get back and say, hey, guys, I know

980
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: how to turn on. I know the basics, and I

981
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: can teach you all this and then we can we

982
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: can roll, you know. And so for me being this

983
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: Turkey calling guide, I was like, man, I'm finally gonna

984
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: have some technical prowess when I come back. Well I

985
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: get well, well, that's so I'll spent a lot of

986
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: time with the instructor or teacher. And um, so at

987
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: the end of it, each class, um, at the whole,

988
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: at the end of this school, when everybody graduated, they

989
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: had had this big dinner and every night we had

990
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: a mess hall. We can go in there, and um

991
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: there was a vegetarian line which I never had seen

992
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: anything like that. I mean, I on Golden Corrawl, by god,

993
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, when you're done, you made that dawn ice cream,

994
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, trying to throw it back and so all

995
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: it was so new man, and I'm like, man, hey,

996
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: what is this Like, Man, You're in the wrong line

997
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: of why hell, this is where the you know, get

998
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: you a little prime real right, okay, And the most

999
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: importantly they had I just earned twenty one and they

1000
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: had a draft beer that you could drink free. If

1001
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: you're twenty one, you could have rolling rock beer. So

1002
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: I might never had a roll around. Yeah, And I

1003
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: was drinking. I mean, I was drinking it every night.

1004
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: And so that last night, you know, I know that

1005
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: we get to show our project. And so the instructor

1006
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: literally says, hey, you know, we had a great class

1007
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: and you don't want to introduce you And they called

1008
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: all our names up and there was a class of

1009
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: about twenty of us. It was in his class. And

1010
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 1: then he says, and also too, we're really really cool

1011
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: that we had a guy that is working for an

1012
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: outdoor company and so um we better. Yeah, I said,

1013
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: we want you to come introduce this project. And it's

1014
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: called the One that Got Away. So it was all

1015
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: this footage from Dale Earnhart to Larry why Soon of

1016
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: we hunted with a lot of biologists back then and

1017
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: writers and uh and I remember and he said, but

1018
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to get one of our class members of

1019
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: Michael Watt Hill to come up here and talk and

1020
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: that now I'm sorry and got a little buzz you.

1021
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: I might think, Man, I'm eating lobsters last night and

1022
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not ready for it. So I get up there,

1023
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: and I remember I got up on the mic and

1024
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: made the comment. I said, hey, I said, man, it's

1025
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: such a cool honor to be here, and thank you

1026
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: all for the hospitality. I didn't know what to say,

1027
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: but I remember I said, but yeah, this is pretty

1028
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: this is pretty neat to be able to edit this together.

1029
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: And I said, we did it with our classmates. And

1030
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: I said, and uh, it's called the One that Got Away.

1031
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: And for some reason I went to and I said,

1032
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: I hope you all enjoy. And then I went to

1033
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: step off, and I stepped right back and said, but

1034
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: by the way, every day on one of them are dead.

1035
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: And and I walked off. And so some of the

1036
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: ladies and girls in one dude in particularly, he was

1037
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: so pissed. They just glaring at me. I said, truth,

1038
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I didn't grow up blind. Now, I said,

1039
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: that's I said, I just ain't Quentin Tarantino. This stuff

1040
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: is really dead. This is ain't fake. And so the

1041
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: people working, oh wow, there's deal earn hurt. Yeah, some

1042
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: some of them were, but they were more like appaul

1043
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: to and like I said, you know, and I heard

1044
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: y'all talk a lot deep on that, and and I

1045
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: love the documentary I'll put together. I text you on

1046
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: that the that's on Netflix, and um, I thought that

1047
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: explained it. Well, yes, oh my god. And I loved

1048
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: how you know, he was able to interview the people

1049
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: that was probably on the fringe of, you know, not

1050
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: even understanding hunting, but forcing them to look deep. And

1051
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes us as hunters, we have to

1052
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: look deep and see that maybe maybe we did grow

1053
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: up different and we understand it. But I think once

1054
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: we can help explain why we do it and how

1055
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: we do it and the different reasons, then it makes it,

1056
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, clear. And so for me, that was a

1057
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: huge learning experience because I didn't I really didn't know.

1058
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: I honestly was completely ignorant. I wasn't dumb. I was

1059
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: ignorant to the fact that I just everybody I had

1060
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: met was like meeting Seth. It was like meeting you.

1061
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: Was like, even though we might not enjoy the same things,

1062
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: we still like you know you ice fish well, I

1063
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: catch you call it crappy. I call it crappy, and

1064
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, we we fish in the spring and and

1065
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, and y'all fish on the ice. But they

1066
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: still was this common bond. And so for me, I

1067
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: was completely like I was calling my dad and like, Dad,

1068
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna believe this. There's folks they don't hunt.

1069
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: They don't even like it. They don't like it, they

1070
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: don't even they they hate me. I quartered a couple

1071
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: of times. But uh, a guy that comes on the

1072
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: show off and named Patrick Dirk and who grew up

1073
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: in the community in Wisconsin. And he described it once

1074
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: in a piece of his writing where he said, if

1075
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: you're not a deer hunter, you share a bed with one. Yes,

1076
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: of where you know, of where he grew up, right,

1077
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: I know Pat, he is a great guy. And that

1078
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: is a hell of a quote. I haven't heard that,

1079
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: but that is true. Though that's true. What do you

1080
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: think of say that all hadn't happened, What do you

1081
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: think you would have wind up doing for a living? Honestly,

1082
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: I think I would have. I would have been out

1083
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: there working with my hands. My dad was a contractor.

1084
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: Um I went to heating and air school in the

1085
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: process of working at realtory, so I would there was

1086
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: a part of me that I thought that what I

1087
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: was doing in the hunting space and guiding and getting

1088
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: to do and run a camera, I really there was

1089
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: a part of me because of the system I grew

1090
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: up in. I thought that that was almost similar to

1091
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: getting the guitar and moving to Nashville, or going to

1092
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: l A and saying you're gonna be a model and

1093
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe you met somebody. I didn't really think i'd make

1094
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: a living at it. I just knew at this particular

1095
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: time that I was young and and had really not

1096
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility other than one day being independent

1097
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: pay my own bills. I had went to heating and

1098
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: air school and learned heating and air technology that I

1099
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: didn't know, but so I thought, you did that, but

1100
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: you working with realtary guiding And then and then after

1101
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I had started kind of a guiding and doing that stuff,

1102
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: I would I I would leave and I didn't have

1103
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: a full time job at Real Tree. I was just

1104
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: guiding some during deer in Turkey season, running cameras a freelancer,

1105
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: so per per day type of work and um, and

1106
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: then I would go back and I'd work with my dad,

1107
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: and then I worked full time for over a year

1108
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: in heating and air, just doing residential residential, just troubleshooting

1109
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: installing heating and air units, and and that was also

1110
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: a kind of a new fad where everybody was doing

1111
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: the refrigerment reclaiming. And so I had gotten certified in

1112
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: that where you know, used to he just cut the

1113
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: lines if he changed out of unit, and all the

1114
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: free on would go up in an atmosphere, and so

1115
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: that was in the process to where you know, he

1116
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: was reclaiming this. And so I was. I was young,

1117
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: and I knew how to work all that new equipment.

1118
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, had a chance to help

1119
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: even order it for some of the the people I

1120
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: were working for and telling what was the best system,

1121
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: because I had just come from this tech school learning it.

1122
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: And I remember even that just being young and enjoying that,

1123
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: and I thought that that would be what I would do.

1124
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: And I was always kind of driven that I wanted

1125
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: to try to be the best at something. And I

1126
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I don't know if I'll always work as

1127
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: a heating and air guy, but maybe one day I

1128
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: can own my own heating and air business and work

1129
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: in conjunction with my dad. And my dad, you know,

1130
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: grew up very country and actually uh quit school when

1131
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: he was sixteen and really has about a night grede education.

1132
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: And um, my dad was barely literate, like you still

1133
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: can't read and write a lot. And so I've never

1134
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: seen somebody work so hard in my life. But I

1135
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: also realized that my dad just had struggle even writing

1136
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: checks and taking notes and stuff like that. But he

1137
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: could build Empire State building. I mean, he could build

1138
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: anything here in Bozeman. So I remember early on thinking, Okay,

1139
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: I got this heat in and air background. My dad

1140
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: knows all the bells and whistles how to build, So

1141
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe I can try to be a better business person

1142
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and help my dad from the parts that he was missing.

1143
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: And I knew I had my dad there from the

1144
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: work ethic of pushing me to you know, if you

1145
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: had to be there at eight, my dad be out

1146
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: there with a light at six, you know, harmon and working.

1147
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: And so that's what I thought I would do. And

1148
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: I and um and as and as time went on.

1149
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: After about a year or two of doing this with

1150
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: real tree kind of guiding and running camera on the side,

1151
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: David Blanton in off from me a full time job

1152
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: to work there in the video production and uh. And

1153
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: at that time it was eighteen thousand dollars a year

1154
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: on salary, and he could have said, he could have

1155
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: said three thousand dollars a year. I'm like, man, I'm

1156
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: working at Real Tree. Did your dad think it was

1157
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: frivolous or do you think it was cool? My dad

1158
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: was the only one who thought it was cool. Um.

1159
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: I remember my grandmom and really blue collar. I mean

1160
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: we were really blue collar. Like my my family was

1161
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: so proud because I had the service van with my

1162
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: name on it, my gaugees hung up in this truck.

1163
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: So by the system that most all of us are

1164
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: raised in, this conservative you made it in life that

1165
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: he's got a good job. You know, Man, he's making

1166
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars an hour and they said they're gonna get

1167
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: benefits and they might even have a four one K

1168
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: next year. I had made it like what Ell is

1169
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: doing good and I'm so proud of you and um.

1170
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: But when I did mention it to my dad, my

1171
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: dad was like, that'd be good. You know. He had

1172
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: met Bill Jerden, he had met Real Tree, and he

1173
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: saw the money because he was the one that would

1174
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: take me to these turkey calling contests when I was young,

1175
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: and he saw that it was an industry, and uh,

1176
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: he saw that there was an opportunity that you if

1177
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: it's an industry, well obviously there was working it. And

1178
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: so he was really the only one. My uncle's and

1179
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: my grandmama. You would have thought that I had gotten

1180
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: on drugs and was going to play with the doors,

1181
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm gonna play backup base for the doors.

1182
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: You know, I really thought that's what it was. And

1183
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: I was just, you know, like God, he had it,

1184
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: got this solid thing. Yeah, he's going to Montana to

1185
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: put up Montana tent canvas tents with Steve and what

1186
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: do you know. It's like, what's going on? And so

1187
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: uh and they just couldn't fathom that you can make

1188
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: a living hunting and fishing. But I couldn't never get

1189
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: across to them that it was more than me just

1190
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing. It was it was celebrating the space,

1191
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: and we were selling products and there was bows. They

1192
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: were Arabs, you know, in this case, there was I'm

1193
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: a flage and Bill and his licensing program was doing

1194
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: receptionally well, was making VHS tapes at the time that

1195
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: led the DVDs and producing shows and so even for me,

1196
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: I was taking all this in real quick, but it

1197
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: was hard for me to go and tell my family,

1198
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: and so, uh, it was a big change and quickly. Man,

1199
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: I just was blown away just getting a chance to

1200
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: go to Las Vegas of the Shot Show, going to

1201
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: the Archild trade show, these big conventions and uh, talking

1202
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: to Karen the other day. You know, I didn't know

1203
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: what to do with myself because I didn't know should

1204
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: I talk like I'm talking to y'all now, or should

1205
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: I should I wear khakis? And you know, you know,

1206
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: we need to see you coming in and you know

1207
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: you've been catching beavers this morning, so that okay, this

1208
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: is real real, Yeah, that's yeah. And so I was,

1209
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know it like you man, you know,

1210
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: what what do I wear? And Real Tree would buy

1211
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: you all these pants and new breeches and shirts and

1212
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: little wolf vests and stuff, you know, because we had

1213
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: an outfit. When can go to a t a go

1214
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: to the Shot Show? All right, coded, we're gonna wear this, everybody,

1215
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna wear this, And everybody was moaning and complaining.

1216
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: I was like, man, they bought me some brand new L. L.

1217
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: Bean bridges. You know. Man, them suckers are seventy dollars

1218
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: a piece. You know, I'll take, you know, And we'd

1219
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: have olive in a khaki and a brown and I

1220
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: thought it was a coolness. I'd be the first one,

1221
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: Oh dude, But it was occer because I'm standing there,

1222
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, and you like, I don't know. It's kind

1223
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: of like on Talla Day and nice. I didn't know

1224
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: what to do with my hands. I didn't know how

1225
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: to come across, you know, It's really I was I

1226
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: was smiling, I was happy, but I didn't know how

1227
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: to celebrate certain things. And then finally, um, I think

1228
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: the biggest turning point in my whole career was that

1229
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: first year. I remember we went to a big meeting

1230
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: up in Nashville, Tennessee, and Viacom had just bought tenn Or. Honestly,

1231
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: I might be ignor. I don't know if they just

1232
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: bought it, but in Viacom might have always been a

1233
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: big part of the national network. But I do know

1234
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: that Viacom at that time on t n N they

1235
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: also owned uh They owned uh MTV, a bunch of networks,

1236
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: and obviously who's that guy he used to run via

1237
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: comback in those days. He married like Cathy for like

1238
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 1: a wellness person, Kathy for us than what. I can't

1239
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: remember it, but I remember I didn't know. I didn't

1240
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: know about then or workings, you know, but I remember

1241
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: being very excited to go to this producer's meeting. And

1242
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: at the time, there was a lot of people that

1243
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: I really looked up to, you know, people like Hank

1244
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Parker who had a show, Mark Sosa who had a

1245
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: fishing show on the network, and then really the only

1246
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: big networks that was celebrating hunting and fishing at that

1247
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: level was TENN and ESPN and UM. And so anyway,

1248
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: I went, and I was just like, couldn't believe I

1249
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: was getting a chance to go to this to be

1250
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: around these peers. Jackie Bushman uh was there, which you know,

1251
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: that phenomenon in the nineties, that whole Buckmaster thing was growing,

1252
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: and and anyway, it was just I was just kind

1253
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: of flatter. And I remember I met this guy from

1254
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: MTV and UM and he he was really condescending, not

1255
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: just to me, but he was so you guys, y'all,

1256
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: the y'all, the BANDI Killers and was smirking to hit it,

1257
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: and dude, my inner just country boy. Try. I just

1258
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: wanted to knock him the hell out. I remember just

1259
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: wanting to hit him so bad, like and probably in

1260
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: another setting I would have, but I realized I was

1261
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: representing real tree and boy, it just pissed me off.

1262
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: And every time I tried to talk to him and

1263
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: I was eager, I was like, dude, man, I'm a

1264
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: big fan at that time. Paul Shot remember Polly Short. Yeah, like, yeah,

1265
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm country, but I'm watching this every episode and so

1266
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, what it was like Martha something, Kurt Loder.

1267
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: Kurt Loder remember all these yeah, math totals, there's like

1268
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: a major Like he was like a podcasting pioneer, right, Adam.

1269
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: It was like he had the Feathered Minutes and this

1270
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: should have been ninety six, and all these people came

1271
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: out of came out of there and went out to

1272
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: do all these different media things. They were like they

1273
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: even coined there on terms like VJs. Remember that video

1274
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: video jockeys. Well, I I was. I was for some reason.

1275
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: I guess what really led to a little let down,

1276
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: And it wasn't all the MTV crew. It's This was

1277
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: one guy in particularly, I've never even got his name,

1278
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: but it was very obvious that he felt he was

1279
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 1: a little smarter and we were the red next step

1280
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: children there because we were the hunter and we were

1281
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: the outdoors man. It was important to him that you

1282
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: knew this. It was important that yeah. Yeah. And so

1283
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: as I got to talking to him, I I said, well,

1284
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: I said, man, I can tell you ain't a hunter.

1285
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,919
Speaker 1: I said, but ma, I would tell you, buddy, I said,

1286
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: if you ever come to my neck and woods, I said,

1287
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: you would enjoy what I get to do every day.

1288
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: And I said, uh, and I know you've got some

1289
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: heroes in this room, but I do too. And I

1290
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: was pointing out, I want to say, even Babe Winkelman

1291
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: was there. And I said, you know these guys right

1292
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: here in my world that I know. I said, I

1293
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: respect him. And I said, and uh, I respect y'all,

1294
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: but you might not respect me. And I said, but

1295
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: if you ever come around my woods, I said you

1296
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: you would enjoy it and you'd be treated with great respect.

1297
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: And uh, and I think you'd walk way of different.

1298
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: And I remember it didn't really hit home. He say, oh,

1299
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of walked away, and I remember

1300
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't And when I said that, it kind of

1301
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: I said it. It defused my anger of wanting to

1302
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: hit him literally, because for me, I'm a culture guy.

1303
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: Like if if you're in my family or on my team,

1304
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: you can make fun of me. I I told you

1305
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: I'll beginning the podcast, y'all can say what you want

1306
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: to me. I'm just real funny about the people I love.

1307
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: And if you you know, it's kind of like your

1308
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: brother's sister, you know, we can talk about him like

1309
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: I swear, they are you hitting on nothing? But then

1310
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: somebody else says you ready to fight? And so for me,

1311
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: I felt like he was slapping at a Bill Jord,

1312
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: and he was slapping at a Cuss Strickland or Toxic

1313
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: Hayes or these pioneers of these companies and and um,

1314
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: and I remember walking away, and I remember telling Bill

1315
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: that night, Bill Jordan, because Bill would always just the

1316
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: nicest guy, would never want to offend anybody, and said Bill,

1317
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: I said, man, I walked the tight rope, you know,

1318
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: And I said I didn't want to be too country.

1319
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: And Karna and I were talking about this yesterday, and Um,

1320
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I said and I realized that all I can think

1321
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: about is I don't want to be around folks like that.

1322
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: I want to be back home on the IT Road

1323
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: in Georgia. You know, we're somewhere out in Nebraska and

1324
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: with my buddies, these farmers, these ranchers and people that

1325
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: understand the balance and the good Lord's renewable resource. And

1326
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm realizing more and more through that condescending nature and

1327
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: how they judging that we are some of the best

1328
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: people and best organizations and best assets to America this

1329
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: out there. And I said, and I will no longer,

1330
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, make any excuses for what we do. I said, Bill,

1331
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: you are a hell of an entrepreneur, and you made

1332
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money. And I said, and and the

1333
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: people that support And at the time, I think we

1334
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: had about thirteen or fourteen million license hunters. I'm not

1335
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: sure exactly what that number is now. And I said,

1336
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: and this up to us to to stand up for

1337
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: it when I'm making excuses, And I said, I catched

1338
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: myself this whole night feeling like I need to shake

1339
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: somebody's hand to make an excuse that we're the hunter. Sorry,

1340
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: And it bothered me. You know, here I am two,

1341
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Steve, you've been in some certain situations

1342
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: like that. And I walked away. And I think that

1343
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: was the biggest part of my career because I started realizing,

1344
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: I got very comfortable about who I was, who who

1345
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: meant the most too and and uh and like I said,

1346
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: there was everybody that was part of my team and

1347
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: that I knew have become friends with, from people that

1348
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: truly hunted just for substance and and to put meat

1349
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: on their table. I knew a lot of trophy hunters,

1350
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: I knew conservationists, I knew environmentalists. I knew just a

1351
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: good old boys who just wanted to drink a bud

1352
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: wise and sitting on a dove stool, you know. And

1353
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: I knew people at that point, you know, up in

1354
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: Michigan and Pennsylvania. And I started putting it all together.

1355
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: And I think that was when I really become proud

1356
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: of the culture and really started I shouldn't say fighting

1357
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: for it, but just being able to know that I

1358
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: could go head to head with anybody that would try

1359
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: to downgrade the culture, not not just what I like

1360
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: to do, but all of us like to do. I mean,

1361
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, some of us, like d I y, some

1362
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: of us work all week and maybe it is a

1363
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: an outfitter that you trust in to take you hunting. Um.

1364
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: You know, some people like to chase a big trophy,

1365
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: mature animal. Some people literally want to shoot a dough

1366
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: just to have some skill at meat and grind some

1367
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: burger for their family, especially among what we see and now.

1368
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: And so I think that was the biggest change in

1369
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: part though, and that was ninety six, and slowly I

1370
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: think that led to the less I really cared and

1371
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: just become more comfortable as a personality because I never

1372
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: dreamed of being a personality. I just I couldn't believe

1373
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: I was hunting, fishing and doing these things. And I

1374
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: think that's when people could either hate me or like me,

1375
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: but potentially at least respect me maybe and UM, and

1376
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: so that was that was a turning point for sure, stive,

1377
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: no doubt. I came up. I came across a lot

1378
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: of that same disapproval you're talking about, UM back in

1379
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: various circles. Because through book publishing, you know, I was

1380
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: just introduced to New York, and through TV I was

1381
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: introduced to Los Angeles, and I found that a couple

1382
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: of things would happen where I would talk to people

1383
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: and they would be we would get into like hunting

1384
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: one on one, and they would be pleasantly surprised to

1385
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: learn that there were hunting regulations. Yeah, pleasantly surprised. Like

1386
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: that's how sort of like they that in their mind

1387
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: you just like went into the woods and just whatever something. Yeah,

1388
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh, no, Hormett, because here's this. Let me,

1389
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: let's explain this whole thing. There's these things called like biologists, right,

1390
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: and they do like these wildlife surveys and they issue

1391
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, no ship. And that made me

1392
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: realize the value of having some amount of conversation. And

1393
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: the other thing I would realize is that growing up

1394
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: in a rural area, um, we would do the same

1395
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: thing to people that lived in cities. Is what we thought.

1396
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: People live in cities do us like everything's filthy, Um,

1397
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: everything's rats every you know what I mean, You're gonna

1398
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: you get robbed, you know. It looks like I was like, yeah,

1399
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: you know what, I guess I got it like an

1400
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: all fairness. I gotta look and be like, man, we

1401
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: have stereotype, like we grew up in the west side

1402
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: of Michigan. Um, it was just like taken as a

1403
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: The only time I every went over to Detroit is

1404
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: we had to go over there for a school event

1405
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: one time, and we went over there like if we

1406
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: could have brought shotguns, we would have brought shotguns. There's

1407
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: no coming back a lot from a school event, you know,

1408
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: like from a school event Troit. So it does like

1409
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it does cut both ways, but

1410
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: there is that there is that little bit of um,

1411
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: you know. I attribute it more to like I treated

1412
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: more like there's sort of like assholes in every walk

1413
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: alife and that that thing where someone's gonna go like,

1414
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: oh okay, dear slayer, okay, baby killer. You're like, you

1415
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: know what, man, even if you lived, even if you

1416
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: were a hunter, you'd still be an asshole. Yeah, you

1417
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: would be probably probably deep down an you gotta be that.

1418
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: You gotta have it be that. Um you got everyone's number,

1419
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: like you see through everyone or you know, like you

1420
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: know what's really going on and hey, I want to

1421
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: ask they think about how many kids do you you have?

1422
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: I got five, four boys, one girl, I got one girl. Yep,

1423
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: four boys? Yet do you um do you lean on

1424
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: them about what you want them to do, or do

1425
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: you take the same approach that you wish people would

1426
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: have had with you when you were a kid. You No,

1427
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: I definitely take um a different approach, I would say,

1428
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: because I think I learned. I think all of us

1429
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: sitting here realized that we're being able to do something

1430
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: that's very all American, like holy cow. I mean think

1431
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: about today. It's a was it Thursday during the day

1432
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: and we're sitting here getting a chance to just talk.

1433
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: This is something we do around the campfire and share

1434
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: it with the world. So I definitely push my kids

1435
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: too to not worry about The safe conservative route is

1436
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: to is to look and right now while you're young.

1437
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to break it into statistics

1438
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: or percentages, you know you got You know, if you

1439
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: look at say an entertainer Bruno Mars or the uh

1440
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: those guns and Roses and those people that play in

1441
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: band or actors and actresses and even people get do

1442
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: what we do. Um. Obviously, it's tough to get there.

1443
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: A lot of doors have to be open. You have

1444
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: to have a ability, you have to have talent, you

1445
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: have to have so many things that happen you have

1446
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: to have good Lord's blessing and and the will be done. However,

1447
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: if you don't go for it, then you might be

1448
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: better later in life. So I tell them, now, push

1449
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: for the things that you think are unachievable, and I'll

1450
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: support you. You know, go for that ten percentile, because

1451
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: think about it, if you break it down into the percentages.

1452
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: If there's a ten percent chance that I can be

1453
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: on a podcast with the Meat Eater Crew, or be

1454
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: like those guys, or possibly create a company like Bone Collector,

1455
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: or maybe make it as a country singer or an

1456
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: actor and actress. Whatever, well, if you don't make it,

1457
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: and you really wholeheartedly tried, guess what you got a

1458
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: ninety chance of going and getting the job at Afflack

1459
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: and sell an Insurance. Yeah. And and like I said,

1460
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm not even downgrading that. I'm not even downgrade anybody

1461
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: that does that. But I know all of us here

1462
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: would be pretty miserable if we'd never tried this. I mean,

1463
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: I think right now, I think the common ground all

1464
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: of us setting here, I guarantee you if we had

1465
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: to go work at Sonic tomorrow, we would think bang, like,

1466
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: holy cow man, what a heck of a ride man.

1467
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: We did some things, and we achieved some things. I

1468
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: got something on Netflix. I did a hunting documentary talking

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: about the culture. You know what, I feel good about

1470
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: flipping this burger right now. But I did it. But

1471
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: if we would have never done it and thought we

1472
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: had the potential, I think that'd be catastrophic and psychologically damaging.

1473
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes people don't go for it enough.

1474
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, if you are forty eight,

1475
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: you say, I'm forty eight and I've got five kids,

1476
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: and I tell my wife, hey, I think I'm on.

1477
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: I know what I'm gonna do. Getting back to the

1478
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: sling Blade comment, I'm gonna call the boys and I'm

1479
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: heading to Nashville. I'm getting the band. Watch out, Zach Brown,

1480
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: here I come. You know I can't do that. I

1481
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: got a mortgage, I got insurance to pay. I got cars.

1482
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 1: You know, you got all this stuff. You got kids,

1483
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: and with five kids, you know, four boys, my god,

1484
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: they eat Yea, we have to eat a lot of

1485
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: wild game. I understand your message, because we have to

1486
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: eat a lot just because getting Ford ribis for all

1487
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: these state night is when me and mama are alone.

1488
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, With that said, I do push them stive

1489
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: to say go for it, man, don't be afraid. Don't

1490
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: be afraid, you go for it. Like my son is

1491
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: a really good guitar player and singer. He's twenty one,

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: about to graduate college. He's on a fishing scholarship at

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: Manafalu University. He's like, Dad, what would you think if

1494
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: I went to Nashville fishing scholarship? And um, they they

1495
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: they I've been so proud of him and it's been amazing.

1496
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: Does he want to continue with that? You know, he

1497
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: loves fishing. I don't think he does want to stay

1498
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: at the level of trying to be saying elite pro

1499
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: He's been around all of this, like he he was

1500
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: very pumped. I was gonna be up here with you

1501
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: guys today because he follows you all. A matter of fact,

1502
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: the whole whole university. I mean, I have to give

1503
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: you guys a hell of a lot of props on

1504
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: what y'all been able to do, especially with the younger generation.

1505
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean all I mean, I got a lot of

1506
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: my buddies, uh, I mean I say my buddies, But

1507
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: these kids at these schools are gonna they're gonna be

1508
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: jack when they I can say, hey, man, I was

1509
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: on meet either pod kidding me, you know. And and

1510
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: so if it comes old man talking speaks, let me

1511
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: tell you about my fake gains in this Turkey how

1512
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: ye with so so yeah, it's it's amazing. But those

1513
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: kids are are amazing, and I know they got that opportunity.

1514
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: And I think Mason being around this space, even though

1515
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: he loves the competition part of it, I think he's

1516
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: more interested in the path of you know, media and

1517
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: and just the business parts of it and and seeing

1518
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: the the pr and the opportunity. Being that he grew

1519
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: up around real tree, He grew up around the clothing manufacturers,

1520
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: these farm companies, the bow and arrow manufacturs, personalities like yourself, um,

1521
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: you know in Fisherman. I think he is more intrigued

1522
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: to maybe do something deeper with the people of the

1523
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,520
Speaker 1: in the person not necessarily have to be a personality,

1524
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: but just I think he really respects the space, and

1525
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: so I think that's what he do. But right now

1526
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: he's he's really good at singing and playing and I

1527
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: and through our working met a lot of country singers

1528
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, you already get your boy, come

1529
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: up here and we jam and stuff like, I said, Mason,

1530
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: you are to do that? I said, what think of

1531
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: about it? Dude? What have you got right out of school?

1532
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: What have you got to do? You can get your

1533
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,440
Speaker 1: job anything, just scratching up a little a little opportunity

1534
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: for for a beer on a Friday night and play

1535
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: guitars with people like ire Dean and Red Akins. And

1536
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe if Blake comes to town. I said, you know

1537
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: you can call in Mason, you hang out. And I said,

1538
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do that and see where it leaves

1539
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: and just have fun, enjoy and learn from the experiences.

1540
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: So I am if you want to say, everybody would

1541
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: look at me and say, this old redneck is gonna

1542
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: be the ultimate conservative. Boy. Get you a job and

1543
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to work. Get this shovel and go

1544
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: to work. But and I do want them to work.

1545
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm big gonna work ethic. But now's the time because

1546
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: once you get married, you got a kid on the way,

1547
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: and you got that mortgage. Uh, that's a different day.

1548
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: Like I ain't paying for it, get you back back.

1549
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, you better figure out how to pay for this.

1550
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: And funny you say, a very good friend of mine

1551
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: growing up. He followed you know, all on the wild cards, right,

1552
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: and he ended up going into the tech industry full time.

1553
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: His dad, who just recently retired from the railroad here

1554
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: um very similar to to your father's growing up, right,

1555
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: It's like, oh boy, oh boy, Well, tech job takes off.

1556
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: He ends up getting a big paycheck, has it like

1557
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: three months of not working right, and his dad's just

1558
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: losing it, and finally has a talk with him and

1559
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, you did all that. Uh, there's a

1560
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: job with the city opening up. Time to get that

1561
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: pension there you go, right, and it's just like it's

1562
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: still just like yeah, it's like this is concrete. You

1563
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: followed the thing. You got a big paycheck. That's neat.

1564
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: He's like, but this is what we know as like

1565
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: safe that you know, it's funny that brings up in that.

1566
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm here, you know, talking and

1567
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: y'all asking questions about what I act you have to do.

1568
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: But I've often found an interesting because you know, Steve,

1569
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: I know you probably run into this. Probably the one

1570
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: thing I noticed as getting the chance to shake hands

1571
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: and meat hunters across the country is. It's it's like

1572
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: a love Hey. They're like, what's up? You know? And

1573
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen him with Steve and I used

1574
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: at nw KEFF last year or the year that last year,

1575
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: they had it in there what's up me? D oh?

1576
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: And you can tell what they're doing. It's like love you,

1577
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: but you know, somebody got to paint this house. Somebody

1578
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: still got to work in the concrete business on the bullfloat.

1579
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: But hey, good glad, y'all having fun? You know, Hey glad,

1580
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: you called a beaver this morning. What you guys call work? Yeah,

1581
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: what you got? And so so it's almost like I

1582
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: catch myself like hugging them, like, hey, man, I get it.

1583
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: I would hate me. I would I would hate me

1584
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: too if I'm you. But at the same time, you

1585
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: can tell those respect, you know, And that was awesome

1586
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: at and so it hit me I thinking, man, there

1587
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a problem. And I don't

1588
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: know if it's parenting or what it is, but I

1589
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: feel like the more you love something, the more you

1590
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: push it into this conservative very safe and I certainly

1591
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: saw it with COVID to where it just hit me

1592
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: how afraid fole are of everything? Everything and I mean

1593
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: making a living, the insurance or hey, you ain't got

1594
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: health insurance, or you ain't got this, you ain't got that,

1595
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: and you and I'm thinking, well, first of all, you know,

1596
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm a praying man and I believe in God. And

1597
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, you know, you know, there's a certain

1598
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: part of this to where I shouldn't worry about this,

1599
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: no way, And I understand wherey and planning. But then

1600
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: I think we are all kind of raised up to say,

1601
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: all right, go to college, get you a good job.

1602
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: And in the process of everything, where where are we

1603
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: really living and following certain dreams? And I found that

1604
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people that's very frustrated and

1605
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: and bitter and almost depressed, not because they didn't make it,

1606
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: because they never really even tried. They made it their

1607
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: upper middle class making good money. You know, they're going

1608
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: to their girls dance recital every year. You know, they're

1609
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: coaching tea ball and stuff like that and doing good

1610
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: and that is the American dream. But yet they'll shake

1611
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: Steve and I hand and like, hey, must be nice.

1612
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: But then I want to say, well, you don't realize

1613
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: I didn't get ever get the chach I coached tea

1614
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: ball for the first time last year. I'm forty eight,

1615
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 1: I got four boys, and last year was the first

1616
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: time that I said no enough to things that I'm like, no,

1617
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm coaching t ball. I got you know, I got

1618
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: a five year old, and and all my other kids

1619
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: are seventeen fourteen. I'm gonna coach ball. I'm just gonna

1620
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: say no to some things. And and so I did

1621
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: miss that part of it, you know, I missed. I

1622
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: remember people talk about Seinfeld and friends. I never saw.

1623
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't have told you who in the National Championship

1624
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: in the nineties because I was work, I was gone,

1625
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: and the Elk camp going anywhere and everywhere. I couldn't

1626
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: have told you what a friend's episode was like. So

1627
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: the mundane that most moms and dads could sit down

1628
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: and get your kids bedy and watch Seinfeld, I didn't

1629
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: even know. I didn't even know it exists. And I

1630
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: didn't even owe a Super Bowl that might be the

1631
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: only NFL game you watch because you're just working in

1632
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: your grinding. So I do realize that we're blessed, but

1633
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: we did work hard to get here, and we possibly

1634
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: could have fell on our face and and and where

1635
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: I look at it is sometimes I wish people would

1636
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: be more motivated, especially early in life, to just go

1637
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: far it just try, because what have you got to lose?

1638
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: I never I never had to deal with any of

1639
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: that crap from my folks, and um they were my

1640
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: dad never. You know, he didn't finish high school. He

1641
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: left high school to fighting the war. Um, he was

1642
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: just elated and had really overestimated what I had done

1643
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: by the time he died. So he was he was

1644
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: on like a six month They're like, you have six

1645
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: months lived from cancer and I had done one story

1646
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: and outside and I've done like two things for field

1647
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: and stream and he was dying and we went down

1648
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: to Florida to fish. I remember going into a you

1649
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: know where you're going to buy like a bucket of shrimp.

1650
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, him basically coming in through the door being like,

1651
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: have I got a surprise for you guys. He gets

1652
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: just mettled in Michigan. He's did three articles and fielding

1653
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: streams like you're talking, that's amazing. He was just beside

1654
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: himself with excitement. You know, it was nice to not

1655
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: have to deal in that garbage. But when you up

1656
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: we kind of talked a little bit how you got

1657
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: going when you went to start your own thing and

1658
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: and do bone collect did you have like burn bridges

1659
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: and piss everybody off and everything? They're like, hey, good luck.

1660
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: You know what I didn't feel like when I was

1661
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: doing it, I was burning bridges. But I think there

1662
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: was an optic that maybe I was because I was

1663
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: working full time at Realtory and I've had the show,

1664
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: a show called Realtrey Road Trips that I just I

1665
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: don't even know how I got lucky enough to do

1666
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: that show. But it got more around the whole standpoint

1667
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 1: of just the fun and the campfires, and I realized

1668
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: that a lot of these personalities were super funny and

1669
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,879
Speaker 1: cool and and and back. The NTNN was very starch,

1670
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: very perfect. Every hunt scenario is perfect. Everything everybody said

1671
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: it was perfect. So I thought that they might be

1672
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: a good lane for for the for the fun of

1673
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: of hunting in this camp and that venture and so

1674
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: um when I pitched that idea to Bill Jordan and

1675
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: David Blanton for Outdoor Channel, because Outdoor Channel was brand new,

1676
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: and that was when you'd go to the Golden Muse

1677
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: Awards and literally there was beer in a bathtub and

1678
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: it was in somebody Sweet, you know, and um and

1679
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: so at the time, you know, the politics are getting

1680
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of strange at t n N and it went

1681
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: away at that time. Realtory Our Outdoors was on ESPN

1682
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: at the time, and it was very strict. You couldn't

1683
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: show any impact shots. Um and and they you could

1684
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: like a blood prohibition, very big, like to the point

1685
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: to where you couldn't even have your own creative vibe

1686
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: or style. How we were blessed. Now we can still

1687
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of say this is kind of what I want,

1688
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: this is a portrait, and we we produce it and

1689
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: paint it and we put it on a network. Even

1690
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: what you're doing on Netflix, it's still what you wanna do.

1691
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: It's not dictated. Within ESPN would dictated. They told you

1692
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: how your show was gonna look. And I always thought

1693
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: it was kind of strange. And so I remember early

1694
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: on and saying we should do something. We're on Outdoor

1695
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: Channel and Bill and David agreed, and so I pitched

1696
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: him this idea of that real Tree road trips and

1697
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: they said, well, yeah you should, that's one we should produce.

1698
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: And they said, I don't know who we get to

1699
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: host it. I don't even know if it needs a host,

1700
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: but I think if we could just have a spinoff

1701
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: show off this TNN show, you know, if we had

1702
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: these guests, because I remember, you know, going and have

1703
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot of writers, Pat Dirk and being one on.

1704
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 1: We'd all go to hunting camps and stuff and we're

1705
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: looking for articles. Remember Jim Shocky would be there, and

1706
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was it was cool. But obviously we'd

1707
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: hunt deer and we'd built a big fire and you know,

1708
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 1: we eat a good food and and so I remember

1709
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: there's all this fun stuff happening, and uh, and I

1710
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: thought that that could really be a tactful way to

1711
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: present the fun and the real camp life. And so

1712
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: that was road Trips And so Bill and David said,

1713
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: well you host it all right? Well no, I didn't

1714
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: pitch this for me to to be on TV um.

1715
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: Bill and David were letting me hunt a little bit

1716
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: as a reward. That was my Christmas bonus, Like, hey man,

1717
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we let that old kid wont

1718
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: he alred to run? Let him go to Texas this

1719
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: year and try to shoot a deer. And they's like, hey,

1720
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: you got something to tell you. And it'd be like

1721
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, try to get the cracker Jack prize,

1722
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: prize out of cracker Jacks. My get go to Incinatus.

1723
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you both hunter deer down there, you know. Man,

1724
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: just be so excited. And so I got to hunt

1725
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I was getting a chance to

1726
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: do some turkey calling like tips, you know, because I

1727
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: know I was getting some on camera. So I wasn't

1728
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: like hired as a personality, as highed as a producer

1729
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: or editor or whatever, you know, jack of all trades,

1730
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: I guess. But when we had come against the wall

1731
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: and have a partner or turkey calling partner or something

1732
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: around turkey, that's like, we need a good turkey tip

1733
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: in this episode. But here's the thing, because but you

1734
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: were already like you're already a champion caller, and and

1735
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: that kind of led to that. And even before I

1736
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: think you'd have gone think had I guess no one knew,

1737
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: I would have think you'd gone right into being like

1738
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 1: a forward facing person. Yeah, and I wasn't. I definitely

1739
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: what my thinking. I had always been very humble but

1740
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: also very confident. You know. It's like there's a fine

1741
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: line there is, you know where I never thought much

1742
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: about it. It was never on top up of mind, like, man,

1743
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: one day, one day, I'm gonna be a hunting show host.

1744
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, Man, I hope I get to hunt.

1745
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh I'd love to hunt Saskatchewan. God, it would be

1746
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: unbelievable to Alaska hunt moves? Are you kidding? Made up?

1747
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Be a dream? And I always think about how could

1748
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I save enough money or how would I get lucky

1749
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: to do it? Never did I think I'd get to

1750
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: do it and present it on a show and so

1751
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: h but I think I think, Um, you know, what

1752
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: happened was is as everything got to grow and I

1753
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: just got these opportunities to to do things that I

1754
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: never dreamed of. And and so for me, I'm still

1755
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: humbled and and I pinched myself with it. And I wouldn't.

1756
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: I was not expecting of it at all. For sure,

1757
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I didn't plan it. What year was that?

1758
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: What what year was the first uh bone collector you know,

1759
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: first bone collector property that came out? It was a

1760
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: two thousand seven was when I left Realtrey. And and

1761
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: the reason to even getting back to that at the

1762
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: road trips that created a good bit of success for

1763
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: not only the company but for myself. And so I

1764
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 1: was getting opportunities at that time during road trips, working

1765
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: full time as an employee. And Real Tree was a

1766
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: pretty big corporation, um, even though it's privately on but

1767
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: we had you know, a handbook, you know, HR department,

1768
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and we had policies and parameters of what you could

1769
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: and couldn't do. And one of the things you couldn't

1770
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: do is is certainly accept any money from any of

1771
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: the partners, um from these licensee where a licensee based

1772
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: company to where you know, if it was a clothing company, UM,

1773
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: they would pay a royalty to put that camel pattern

1774
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: on their products. So you know, in your case take

1775
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 1: a first light. They couldn't have paid me to say, Hey,

1776
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: why l could you come to an appearance for us

1777
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: at Cabella's you know you know which you know like, no,

1778
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: I can't accept that money. So what happened was I

1779
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: was starting to get all these requests and opportunities mainly

1780
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: from the partners or road trips, and I kept bringing

1781
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: it to Bill, Jordan and David and they said, man,

1782
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't accept that. You can't accept that money.

1783
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, how do we handle this? And even

1784
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: Real Try at the time didn't know how to handle it,

1785
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: you know, because it was just really exciting, but also like,

1786
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: holy cow, I can't do this. This is against the

1787
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: company rules. And so I kind of feel like I'd

1788
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: like all these guys here to leave the room real quick.

1789
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And so I remember, I remember, um, I'm

1790
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: very interested it was, but I remember setting. I remember

1791
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: sitting these managers meeting. They have managers meeting every Monday,

1792
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: and um, and it was a big enough topic that

1793
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: I was getting companies call and I had a guy

1794
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: he helped me tremendous. The guy's name was Shawn Perry

1795
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,480
Speaker 1: and he was from Endeavor Company. Now Philip Morris Endeavor California,

1796
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: you might know sean great guy. And so I mean,

1797
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: I get a call like at real Tree on my

1798
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: little desk and cubicle, and I said Endeavor and I

1799
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: pick it up. He's hey, man, Shawn Perry. I'm an

1800
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: agent out in California. Man, what are you doing right away?

1801
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: Just cut to the chase. That dude, you wouldn't know it,

1802
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm an agent. I worked with a lot

1803
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: of stars and I'm just interested. I'm a big fan

1804
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: of show. He said, I'm one of the few guys

1805
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: out here that hunt. I love to hunt. And um. Anyway,

1806
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: and he says, I have talked to this guy. He's

1807
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: a great guy. Man, he's a cool cat. And uh

1808
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: and anyway, he says, well, what are you making? And

1809
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I said, right down to it? And he said, do

1810
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: you have any things people are calling about? And stuff?

1811
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: He says, I love Real Tree. I'm a big man

1812
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: of Real Tree. And I remember thinking, holy cow, I

1813
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I'm looking on my shoulder like

1814
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the company phone here, you know. And anyway,

1815
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: and he says, man, you need a book, you need this,

1816
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: and you should be doing this. He said, I think

1817
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you can do more. And and I said, well, I

1818
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: got these couple opportunities. And I said, but I don't

1819
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: know how to handle him. I can't do this a

1820
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Real Tree. So well, you would have to leave Real Tree.

1821
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,919
Speaker 1: He said, you don't need to go against the corporate policies.

1822
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: It is what it is. But you're I think you're

1823
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: strong enough. You could be on your own. And so

1824
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy cow, this is a whole another level

1825
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: of getting back to the whole family talk. Now working

1826
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: in unde fishing, but I got a corporate job, man,

1827
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: don't shake that up. And so anyway, he he said,

1828
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: we'll send me those contacts, and that day literally I

1829
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 1: sent him over a couple of phone numbers of marketing people.

1830
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: He calls me back that day said all of them

1831
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: said yes. He said, I got you like a couple

1832
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: hun grand if you want to do it as a

1833
01:29:54,720 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: two year deal. And I'm I'm freaking quick, that quick,

1834
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: like no sort of talk about what the commission would

1835
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: look like. Nothing, he said, I don't. He even told

1836
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: me so, I don't need I don't need your money,

1837
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: because I think he did minimize it from the standpoint

1838
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking at this kid from Booger Bottom being

1839
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio. He knew that he spend his time getting

1840
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: this film with dream works for him. But you know, hey, man,

1841
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: I can get this kid a book deal. I can

1842
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: do this, and I can especially when I told him

1843
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: as I'm making about fifty a year at the time

1844
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: and and uh, which which I was toockled to death,

1845
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: but I realized there's more opportunity so right now, you're

1846
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 1: in the spot. Yeah, and and and I'm yeah, and

1847
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm happy, and I'm in this hell of

1848
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: a spot. I don't know how to handle it, and

1849
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to be too big for my riches,

1850
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: you know. And so I go down to the manager's

1851
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: meeting one day, smell, I like, talk to you guys

1852
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: about something. I got some opportunity, but I don't want

1853
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: to you know what, You'll think I'm being ungrateful of

1854
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: my opportunity here. And at first it rattled some change

1855
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and they were kind of tough on me, like it

1856
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: was pretty hard, like I'm like, man. And then later

1857
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: as I started showing to some of the opportunities, it

1858
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,839
Speaker 1: was Bill Jordan and said, hey, you gotta just leave Realtory.

1859
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: You gotta be your own man. You gotta leave the realstory,

1860
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: but we'll support you. And and I'm like, and I'm like,

1861
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: he said, but you can't. I can't allow you to

1862
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 1: do this when I can allow other people in the

1863
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: company not to do it. He said, So you gotta leave,

1864
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: and that means giving up your benefits, You're not coming

1865
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: into work every day. And so I left, and my

1866
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: first gig was with Gander Mountain and they hired me

1867
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: to host this show called We Live Outdoors and uh

1868
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: and it was an awesome opportunity and and I made

1869
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: good money. And then within a month or two, Realtory

1870
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: we come back and we sat down and put a

1871
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: subcontracting type of contract together where I was still hosting

1872
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: the Realtory road trips. And so from that I was excited.

1873
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: I was kind of set. I knew for two years.

1874
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: But I also remember, um I created one of the

1875
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: things that Ganner Mountain had had me do. They said, look,

1876
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: we want to reform at our show and make it

1877
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: more around you know, what you think would be cool

1878
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: for your personality. And at that time, it seems like

1879
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: that there's always these stages in the industry, you know, um,

1880
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: you know where where certain things are happening. At that time,

1881
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: I felt like we was having to make a whole

1882
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: lot of excuse, you know, for for hunting. It was

1883
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: weird it was having to do that. So for me

1884
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: bone Collector, that was a crazy, almost in your face

1885
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: to approach. The reality was it was really wasn't as

1886
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 1: you know this you know, muscle man and high fiving

1887
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: and killing everything as as it seemed like it was.

1888
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: So it was a little bit of a little trickery

1889
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that I wanted to almost offend a

1890
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: little bit and be in your face, but in reality,

1891
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: when you got behind the scenes, you just saw a

1892
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: bunch of smiling guys that just had fun and you

1893
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:29,560
Speaker 1: just wanted to be in our camp. So it was

1894
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of a we make no excuses. Where

1895
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: a hunter, where predator. It's the way I was born.

1896
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm a bone collector. So that was the school dude,

1897
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: a guy in Alabama. I had this idea, and I

1898
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: wrote this little creed and and actually all of that. Ironically,

1899
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I put this whole treatment for the show for Gander

1900
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Mountain and we sat down at their board and they

1901
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: said it was too racy and they didn't want to

1902
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: do it, and they stuck, we live outdoors, and so

1903
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: literally right at the meeting, I wasn't even deflated. I

1904
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: just thought, well, okay, And then I asked him, I said, well, look,

1905
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 1: would you have a problem if I trademark that myself

1906
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: and start it. They said not at all. They thought

1907
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: the drawing was raising. Well, they didn't have I didn't

1908
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: have the draw and I just told them. I just

1909
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: told them this big creative idea I had for Bone Collector.

1910
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: And I said, and it wasn't even at the time

1911
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: bone Collector, it was that that creed. I said, I think,

1912
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: what's happening. I think my exact pitch to them at

1913
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: the time was Gander Mountain was a little bit struggling.

1914
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Um and and I felt like they were kind of

1915
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: riding the fence. You know, you didn't know if you

1916
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be kind of more if you want to

1917
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: use the word granola, I know that can be offense

1918
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: to somebody, but but but do you want to be

1919
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: hardcore here? You want to be hardcore there? I felt

1920
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: like they were straddling the fences. I think you just

1921
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: started just jump into it and be a big corporation

1922
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: that really jumps into the fishing and hunting. So they

1923
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if they wanted to go like hike and biking,

1924
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: yes they want to be already, or they wanted to

1925
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 1: walk through a bunch of zip off pants get to

1926
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: the shotgun section. You're exactly right, and and and I

1927
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 1: was just trying my best not defend, but also just

1928
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: trying to do my as creative is to say here's

1929
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: what I see as it reflects back to what I

1930
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: think and the people I'm meeting doing appearances in your store.

1931
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: And I threw him this idea of like, let's just

1932
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: make excuses. Let's let gander mount and be the foremost

1933
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: hardcore cater to the die hard ice fisherman, to the

1934
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: die hard duck hunter waterfowler as well as hiker. But

1935
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: we make no excuses for anything we're involved in. And

1936
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: so you know, and if I'm your guy, why don't

1937
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: we just kinda and with a smile, just say, don't

1938
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: worry about it, don't make no excuses who you are.

1939
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 1: This is what you enjoy doing, and it's legal and

1940
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: it's safe, and we're putting back and hunting God's renewable

1941
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: resources and fishing for him. So that was kind of

1942
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 1: my idea. And so when they said no to it,

1943
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: let's just kind of sticking this kind of Manila very

1944
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: safe lane. If we Live Outdoors, um, which was a

1945
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: pretty good show, but it was like everything else and UM.

1946
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: So then I said, hey, you mind if I do it?

1947
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: And so I was so busy with with road trips

1948
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 1: and the wee Live Outdoor, I knew that I couldn't

1949
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: do the shows myself, and so I knew Nick Mutt

1950
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: who was I was gonna I was gonna ask how

1951
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: it went like t Bon, like how that Nick was

1952
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: a guide out in Wyoming, and I just he and

1953
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I were the same age, and just love the dude. Man.

1954
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: He's just a good hunter, a good people person. Obviously

1955
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with a lot of clients,

1956
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: taking them hunting and fishing, and just funny, just funny,

1957
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: almost like a Jim Carrey type of guy. And uh,

1958
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: he's now married, so he don't cut up as much

1959
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: as he used to. He's had to get serious in life.

1960
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: But and then t Bone was always He won the

1961
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: world championship of boat a s A and he on

1962
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: an archery shop right right above where I lived, and

1963
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: was probably the foremost bow wrench. And if you had

1964
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: a problem with your bow and he was having problems shooting,

1965
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: t Bone could have you, I mean, like hitting stuff

1966
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 1: and doing things that you was blown away because he

1967
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 1: was just a phenomenal at understanding the mechanics of bose.

1968
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: But he was also this this jolly, fun dude who

1969
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: loved to hunt, who obviously wasn't gonna be a Cameron

1970
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 1: Haynes and run to the top of the mountain first.

1971
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: But just a great fun of dude. And you know

1972
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: he might be standing on the top of the mount

1973
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: and got a helicopter rride. When he got there, he

1974
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: gave you a Swiss cake roll. Come on steam. You

1975
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: don't like his buddy, you want to what you want?

1976
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Were there's candy or Swiss cake roll buddy here and

1977
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: you go, you know, and and you just loved him.

1978
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: Everybody loved him and um always smiling, and so I thought, man,

1979
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: these guys, I think they can help out a lot.

1980
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: And there was consummate professionals and knew the space and

1981
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: so I talked to them about coming on and helping

1982
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: with that. And that's that's really what it was. Yeah,

1983
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: And so it was just crazy and amazing and and

1984
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: and such a blessing. And it still is. And even

1985
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: though I'm a little older now, grayer in my beard,

1986
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: I still feel like a twelve year old. I really do.

1987
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I was so excited, so excited to come up here

1988
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: and chat with you guys. I mean, I just I

1989
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: don't take anything for granted. And uh, you know here

1990
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: recently te bon Us, we was Yeah, I don't who

1991
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: who when you mentioned that, I didn't know that this

1992
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: was I didn't know he was going through that. I know, um,

1993
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: right when I come in, right the right, the front desk. Um,

1994
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. He uh. This past summer

1995
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: he noticed not that was starting to grow on his leg.

1996
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: He's crazy how it happened. I remember he knelt down

1997
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: to take a picture of a deer that Nick had shot.

1998
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 1: I think it was in Wisconsin, and we're just gonna

1999
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: take a you know, grabbing grand photo with our buddies.

2000
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: And when he knelt down in the snow, a stob

2001
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: hit him on his shin and like he gave him

2002
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: a big bruise, you know, one of those kind of

2003
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: stone bruise, and like KAILI and um, like that shouldn't

2004
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: have done that. Yeah, that hurt, but it was like

2005
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 1: a quickly an come up and right on that you

2006
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: know that there's no room for anything there on that

2007
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: bone and it hurts. And um. Well, over time it

2008
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: just was a knot that wouldn't go away. Well, this

2009
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: past summer it started growing and literally started growing so

2010
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: big it popped through his skin from inside to out,

2011
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: and it was just a terrible sarcoma that grew, and

2012
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 1: what the hell did they have to do with the

2013
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't know and that, and we're still trying to

2014
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: figure it out. I guess it's just the circulation and

2015
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: that somehow, you know. I don't know how all this

2016
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 1: tumor and cancer starts, but I guess lack of circulation

2017
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: certain things and it just becomes. But they mean, I

2018
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: know this isn't like a medical show, But is it

2019
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: the that revealed the problem? I don't know. I don't know.

2020
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: It's it's wild and and that's why t bon like

2021
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: this past October, I noticed he was being real quiet

2022
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and he wasn't saying anything, and he had told me

2023
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I was having some problems with his leg, his right leg.

2024
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: And then later we were doing an event up at

2025
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: our friend's place, Derek Caraway's got Whittaker gunning up in

2026
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: Kentucky and were just having a big promotion and just

2027
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 1: sporting good store fun time and Tibon I noticed that

2028
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 1: he was setting down and the one thing I'd always

2029
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 1: made a commitment to, and I got I got really

2030
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: choked up. We did a little podcast talking to t

2031
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Bon is I had made a commitment two when I

2032
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: saw that, man, they would actually people show up and

2033
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: want to shake our hand, like like you know, Seth

2034
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and I met years ago, and if you and the

2035
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed were all standing. I said, look, yeah,

2036
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: exactly remember well after the photo for sure, But but

2037
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: I remember I told these guys a man, I said,

2038
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: we should never I said, I don't think we should

2039
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: ever sit down. I said, if some if a grown man,

2040
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 1: thanks enough to come by and shake our hand, uh,

2041
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, because that can be hard. There's a lot

2042
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: of pride and ego in a man's world. And I said, man,

2043
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: I want to make sure if they want a man

2044
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: hug of high five will look at trail camp pictures.

2045
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I want to stand right there on this side of

2046
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: the table. And and so we made that commitment, and

2047
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 1: I and Tibon and told me, Michael, I'm really worried.

2048
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 1: He said, uh, my leg is really jacked up. They said,

2049
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: I can't walk, an't stand real good. He said, I'm

2050
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 1: in a lot of pain, and and he showed me

2051
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: some pictures and I'm like, oh my god, t Bon,

2052
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: well he's sit down the whole time. So we're doing

2053
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: this promotion and Nick and I are standing outside and

2054
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: I look back there and t Bones kind of stand

2055
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: behind the counter. Man. I got welped up because I

2056
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: knew for t Bone to not be out there with

2057
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: us and to be able to because he's such a

2058
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: people person. He he don't want anybody to be disappointed.

2059
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: And uh, and dude, I got you. I knew he's

2060
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: going through something. Then later, my wife is an oncology nurse,

2061
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: and so he told my wife, he said, don't tell anybody,

2062
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: said it's cancerous. And one thing led to another, and

2063
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: they quickly knew that there was gonna have to amputate

2064
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: his right leg and so to stop the sarcoma. And

2065
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 1: they had found a little nodule and he's long, and

2066
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: so they did the typical chemotherapy to to try to

2067
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: hopefully that that sarcoma didn't spread to his long and

2068
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: and that particular nodule actually shrunk a little bit. And

2069
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: so this past Monday he did have the amputation. He's

2070
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: in a lot of pain, but his attitude is beyond

2071
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: what I can even I don't know that I could

2072
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 1: handle it. And it's it's been so odd to talk

2073
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: to Tebon about it, because most of the time, you

2074
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: know when a friend calls you with a problem, is

2075
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: typically you that motivates them and reminds it could be

2076
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: if you call men. It's like Steve, hey, bro, keep

2077
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: your head up. You're doing this, and Bro, you know,

2078
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: you know you love you know this, And it's kind

2079
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: of that motivational And Tebone is calling us and talking

2080
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: about the sanputation, what he's going through, and he's having

2081
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: to motivate us, you know, like what do you say

2082
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 1: and what do you say? You know, and anyway, he's

2083
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: he's doing better, and uh, it really has helped remind

2084
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 1: me of that it's gonna be alright, Yeah, it's gonna

2085
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: be all right. I'm doing with this. I have peace

2086
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: and you know what, You're gonna be fine. Yeah, that's

2087
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: what he's doing. It's like, it's okay, Michael, I'm gonna

2088
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: be fine. I'm gonna have one leg. And and and

2089
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: we're starting to come around like like our crew we

2090
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: we uh and we're just cut ups, you know, just

2091
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: goofing off all the time and hard on each other.

2092
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: And so like the other day, our producer and Nick

2093
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: and I we look and we found him the old

2094
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: leg lamp you off Christmas Carol. So we're getting you.

2095
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: Hope you don't hear this before I get it to him,

2096
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 1: but we're definitely, you know, want to get him stuff

2097
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: like that. Remember we're sitting here and someone named Hillary

2098
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: came in the door and I said, I missed. Yes,

2099
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 1: she's from that town. Are you kidding me? And that

2100
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: house is a museum, no way, the Christmas Story House

2101
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: is a museum with that lamp in the window, Like

2102
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: you can go there and it's like there's the house

2103
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: on the street with the lamp from the window. I

2104
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: would love to say I love that. I don't even like,

2105
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I thought it was

2106
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 1: a fictitious town. Maybe it is, but either way that

2107
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: how you still go to wear that where they shot

2108
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: in video? Yeah, the whole thing. I don't know if

2109
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 1: that guy is still down to the basement beating on

2110
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: the beating on the cole for so, I don't want

2111
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: to get I know this is fresh. I don't wanna

2112
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: get you graphic, but you know how much look a

2113
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: lot of his leg they had to amputate middle of

2114
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: thigh so way up. And is he gonna get uh yeah,

2115
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: like with with a foot and everything on. I think

2116
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: so I think so he's t Bone is very much

2117
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: a thorough detailed guy. So he does a lot of

2118
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: research and he'll be ranching on that leg. Oh man,

2119
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: he will. He'll have something like robo man. I'm sure

2120
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Puts probably will. There's no telling, but um but yeah,

2121
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: you know. But then I've heard too that there's you know,

2122
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: and again maybe maybe somebody can comment, you know, and

2123
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: let us know. But I'd always heard too that there

2124
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: was a weight limit on a prosthetic, like you know

2125
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 1: that somebody says two hundred feet pounds, but I don't

2126
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: know the technology. But if anybody's unaware, yeah, and he

2127
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: feels pretty confident that. But like most of us men,

2128
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the way I've always handled tough

2129
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: times is I just minimize it and say, hey man,

2130
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna be good. And so I think Tibon is

2131
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: doing some of that. But man, his attitude and just

2132
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: it's been catastrophic in one way, but the love and

2133
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: the team has never been bigger because it it really

2134
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 1: like I was walking another day to squirrel hunting by

2135
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: myself and literally got choked up, man, and I got

2136
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: just thinking of not just with t Bon, but just

2137
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 1: everybody and all these campfires and all these fishing and

2138
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: just and dude, it just hit me hard, like, man,

2139
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, I've been blessed to take some big animals,

2140
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, and some of them I score, most of

2141
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: them I haven't. But what amazing adventures from from Africa

2142
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: to all over the world to all over the country

2143
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 1: that no way I was supposed to get to do that.

2144
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: But not just be there, but the people I met

2145
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: that I learned from that understand better their value of

2146
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 1: hunting and outdoors and being a conservationist to to my

2147
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: take on things, and then it's just amazing. And for

2148
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: me that was the biggest trophy. And one of those

2149
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: trophies is just all those fun times with t Bon

2150
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: just being the big guy that could take a joke,

2151
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 1: that could give a joke, that you can never piss

2152
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 1: him off, you can never not make him smile. It

2153
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 1: always had a positive attitude and and it just made

2154
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: me just love him even more, but not just him,

2155
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: just all my hunting buddies. And he kind of hit

2156
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: home because we can all lose folks. Man. We get

2157
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: so busy, we're running and going and then I think, man,

2158
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just you know, you gotta stop. And what's

2159
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 1: they'll saying, smell of roses and so that that definitely

2160
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: happened with this, and that the outpournal love across the

2161
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: space and just social media te bon. Every time he

2162
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: gets to talk about he starts crying, not because he's

2163
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: got cancer, because he just didn't even know he had

2164
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: that many people loved him and that would be there

2165
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: if he calls. So that was pretty phenomenal. When he's

2166
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: all up in batter, we should have him come up

2167
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: on the show. He would love he would love that.

2168
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: I'll make sure he brings his leg land when he comes.

2169
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: And we've already started cutting up like we worked with

2170
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,640
Speaker 1: third Good Boots and and uh and I remember, you know,

2171
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: we literally went from crying on the podcasts with t Bone,

2172
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 1: big questions, what we're gonna do with all these right

2173
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 1: foot at through a good boot. So you know, we

2174
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 1: we you know, what's the old saying to keep trying

2175
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 1: to laugh, keep from crying, And that's that's what we've

2176
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: been going through the last week or so. But he's

2177
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 1: doing good. And and definitely anybody that's made a comment

2178
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: or even listening here and watching, thank you all man.

2179
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,679
Speaker 1: It's you know it. The love has been so amazing

2180
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: to see and feel so thank for all the prayers

2181
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been cool. Uh. We joked about it earlier,

2182
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: the peak in farm. Yeah, Um, is that like a

2183
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Legit is that like a way out for you in

2184
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 1: the end, you know what when you kick back like man,

2185
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty five. That's what I'm doing right now,

2186
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: based on the money I've made on it, which has

2187
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: not been enough to even see the light in that,

2188
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I would say no, but but I do think. I

2189
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: do think I'm learning. It's just like anything else. I'm

2190
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,799
Speaker 1: learning to figure out a way to hopefully make a profit.

2191
01:45:55,880 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I think if anything, it's been a it's

2192
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: been a nice something to to jump into to try

2193
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 1: to master and learn and grow and and kind of

2194
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: a d stress to be honest with that part of it.

2195
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: I've loved, Like you know, I too love the trap

2196
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: as I know you do. And for me, trapping is

2197
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: a little different than hunting. It really is such a

2198
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 1: stress reliever for me to go trap. And um, but

2199
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: if you like being a twelve year old and and

2200
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: have fun right the toys when you get into that,

2201
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: I was just down in Sacramento Valley and they have

2202
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: a header that goes down in between the tree rows

2203
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: has got two big arms that are triangles with the

2204
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 1: spinning disk blade on the end of each tip of

2205
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: the triangle, and it goes down the rods and and

2206
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: prunes the trees, you know. And my first thought was,

2207
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 1: why isn't that on any of these stupid zombie movies.

2208
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: And my second thought was, I really, I really want

2209
01:46:58,320 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: to get in that and run up. I know, I

2210
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: know that is fun the toys. What's the nut that?

2211
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Um everybody's always talking about how water consumptive must not

2212
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: be a pecan, right pecans? And no, I think Alma

2213
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: is like the California gallons of water for every holme

2214
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know what it is, but can

2215
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 1: take a lot of you. They take a lot of water.

2216
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: I want to, but I don't know. You're growing them

2217
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: in the state that has a lot of water, though,

2218
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: well a lot of my my orchard is not irrigated. So,

2219
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, last year we got so

2220
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 1: much right in the South, I got too much water.

2221
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: So you're not dumping any water, and I'm not dumping

2222
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 1: any water. So maybe that's your marketing thing. Maybe it is.

2223
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: And if people are throwing out how water consumptive it

2224
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 1: is coming out of the Imperial Valley or coming out

2225
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,679
Speaker 1: of California, you should just have it be like um

2226
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: wid Dell's nine your game he can on a prayer. Yeah, dude,

2227
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I think you need to have it be that like Calistan.

2228
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: You need to happy that you buy a little ship

2229
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 1: in the bag, a lot going ship for peakans. I

2230
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: could go out to the ultra Southern voice. Hey, everybody,

2231
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: y'all line up if you won't pick hands come from

2232
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: straight God's bounty for harm brain because God saw it

2233
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:20,719
Speaker 1: fitting small batch artisan nine. My buddy Ronella only aged

2234
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: meat in these prayer pecans, that's right. And you you'd

2235
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: be like, if you think there's not enough peacans in

2236
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: this bag, it's because we had to make room for

2237
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 1: this nice handwritten note. Like the story. I could get

2238
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: the picture it and get seth and out of sign

2239
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: it and like, hey, he can started here like nowadays

2240
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: every energy bar when you read the bag, it has

2241
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: like the story. Yeah, so it'll be like peacans on

2242
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 1: the prayer began when I made a realization about water

2243
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: consumption in the American, and I thought to myself, I

2244
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,679
Speaker 1: could do better. I could do that. I can do better.

2245
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Are those the best tasting squirrels? The Peakan eaters? You

2246
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: know what they are for? To taste? I don't. I

2247
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't tell a big difference, but but

2248
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: psychologically it's got to be. Yeah, I feel, And maybe

2249
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: that's a whole another thing I could get into organic

2250
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: squirrel pecan pecan fed squirrels. They say that would ducks

2251
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: are the best tasting ducks because they eat so many

2252
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: nuts on their migration. So imagine there's something similar with squirrels.

2253
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: I imagine they would be and I do think, I mean,

2254
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, getting back into really for sure what Steve

2255
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: specializing is. I have certainly noticed the different that animals

2256
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: in certain regions definitely tastes better. Like you know, you

2257
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: shoot a white tail or mule deer that's been eating

2258
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 1: a lot of alfalfa, there's a noticeable difference, and that

2259
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: versus a sage mule deer versus you know, even ilk

2260
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 1: uh in our white tail around home, like in Montana,

2261
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: were hunt in the Milk River. I got those white tail.

2262
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean, we can shoot ten deer in Georgia illegally,

2263
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: So it's not like I hurt for meat. But every

2264
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: time I'm in Montana, I always fly my meat back

2265
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 1: because it's just the best. It's just such. It's like

2266
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 1: if it's the closest to grain fed beef. It feels

2267
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: like to eat with your eyes. Yeah, first, rat eat

2268
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: with your eyes first. When you cut open a deer

2269
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: that's been in an alfa offa field and it's just

2270
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: like overflowing with fat, your brain and immediately commits to

2271
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: the fact that you're like, this is gonna be the

2272
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: best testing deers, right, yeah, we can. We can vouch

2273
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 1: for mallards that has spent three weeks in the millet field.

2274
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 1: They were better, right, I mean yeah, when they get

2275
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 1: like I've seen them as the fat Yeah, eating hogs.

2276
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 1: I Marrow was in Savannah hunting hogs. I remember the

2277
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 1: old time where I was there. But he said one year,

2278
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: he said, these hogs ain't gonna be fitting neat This

2279
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 1: year it's been real drying. Theyd been eating a lot

2280
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: of snails out in the coast and um in anyway,

2281
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: and he said this year. I went back to this year,

2282
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: they're fat and they've been eating acre and he said

2283
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: take as many home as you can, so I did,

2284
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: and he was right that that sometimes, you know, whild

2285
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: hawk can be kind of gamey, you know, decently gamey.

2286
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 1: These were like the ones I remember my pap all

2287
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: raising up, you know and killing on the first frosty day,

2288
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like whole I was mad that I didn't

2289
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: bring more like because there was a noticeable difference than

2290
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 1: forging on acorns. And then he had a bunch of

2291
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 1: corn feeders versus them in that hungry because of the

2292
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 1: lack of acrons on this particular area in island that

2293
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: we were hunting on that they had to forge out

2294
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 1: there for snails and different things out there. Yeah, I

2295
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't know what's that in Italy? Don't they produce um?

2296
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: Isn't there like a ham or the only the pigs

2297
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 1: only to eat acorns? Really, I can't think what the

2298
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 1: hell it is though, But then they like cure it

2299
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: and all that, like a Serranos, like some kind of

2300
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: Serrano ham. I don't know. There's another angle for your pecans. Hey,

2301
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 1: we learned hogs on a prayer. Hey, Mike, Mike, talk

2302
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 1: about tell about how you're so so country that you're

2303
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 1: like trying to outgrow eating. Yeah, it is funny. It's funny. Uh,

2304
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: even speaking to t Bone, I grew up so dame country,

2305
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 1: like you know, I didn't even realize I did until

2306
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 1: and you hit the nail on the head Steve, when

2307
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 1: you were talking about how stereotypes of say us that

2308
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,799
Speaker 1: hunt whether you're in rural Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Georgia, Alabama,

2309
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,679
Speaker 1: Missippi wherever, we also had stereotype of New York City

2310
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: or say l A. And then I realized the first

2311
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: time I go, I had the most fun ever, you know, like, dude,

2312
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. I remember going to Las Vegas

2313
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 1: the first time, and I'm like, you know, holy cow,

2314
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty surreal and cool. You know, some things I

2315
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't like and people smoking cigarettes. Yeah, this is crazy. Man,

2316
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see that Michael Jackson. So man, I

2317
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: think fifty dollars, but it's fun. Or go see O

2318
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 1: and these these Broadway shows. And so I realized that, man,

2319
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: there's room for all of us to grow. But um,

2320
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: I grew up so country. I didn't. I didn't know

2321
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 1: about those things. I knew about what I knew, and

2322
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: it was so funny even eating wild game like my papa. Man,

2323
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 1: he was a big time he wouldn't. I never thought

2324
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: of him as a hunter. But he made a little

2325
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: corn liquor and he sold it and and he only

2326
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of lived off the land. I'd never remember him

2327
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,520
Speaker 1: having a job. This is your grandpa. Yeah, my grandpa

2328
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 1: completely illegally, but I knew it was not yea. But

2329
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: how ironically, the chief of police in Manchester would come

2330
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 1: back from old guy named Willie Starring. He'd be down

2331
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: there buying, buying corn liquor, you know, and I'd say

2332
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: he put in his car, Hey blue Boy. They called

2333
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,000
Speaker 1: me blue Boy because that was the first blue, blue

2334
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: eyed grand young and you know, hey blue boy, putting

2335
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 1: a little to Mason Jars the yeah conference, skating some

2336
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: liquor from the papa. And and so he taught me

2337
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot about like I remember the first turtle traps

2338
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: we ever had out fish baskets. He used to have

2339
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: quail basket hardcore hardcore, but never did he do it

2340
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 1: for sport, like I mean, no, no, he stuttered real

2341
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 1: bad and no, no, all Blue boy, Uh, come on down.

2342
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 1: Let's now, let's go check the traps. And so we'd

2343
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: go and it was. I remember going bass fishing with

2344
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: him and stuff like that, and he would catch every

2345
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 1: once in a while in a trap, we'd catch a possum.

2346
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 1: What possum will come back and he'd start feeding the corn.

2347
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: He'd feed out this possum or coon and we eat it.

2348
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: And so what's funny was like, uh, he changed his

2349
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 1: diet and completely changed us diet. Like he'd take a

2350
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: coon or possum and he had this like a rabbit

2351
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: pin and you might be two or three coons in

2352
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 1: there at any given time, or a possum and he

2353
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 1: would feed it. He'd feed it from table scraps to

2354
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 1: like corn bread. I never feed him corn bread. And

2355
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, possum obviously come to them. He cand feed

2356
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: him out for a couple of months and he could

2357
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: kill them and then eat them, just like just like

2358
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 1: the domestic pig. He had to feel. So I learned

2359
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: a lot about things and and also another thing, he

2360
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: was so fun and a lot of things he did illegal,

2361
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was illegal. Like we had

2362
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: quail in Georgia and he would have quail baskets out

2363
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 1: and we'd catch a whole cubby and it's completely illegal.

2364
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: But looking back, man, that night we would equail like

2365
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: we had all equal that night. Or we'd go fishing.

2366
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 1: And my papa, I'd never seen him in my life

2367
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: throw a bass back, never like a large amount. I mean,

2368
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 1: son of gonna. We went back scaled that sucker, and

2369
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 1: and he would never he never was freeze. He put

2370
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 1: it in um old tupperware bowl and had water, and

2371
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 1: he put salt in it. Just leave him soap and water.

2372
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: And not only would he cook him, but he uh,

2373
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: he was with a woman he wasn't. He married. Her

2374
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 1: name was Claudine, which is country, and held us just

2375
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 1: like a dollar. Pardon movie, Claudine, you're gonna take care

2376
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: of me. It just sounds like food. Come onto my

2377
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: grandma's house, Claudine. Okay, we're gonna eat good tonight. But

2378
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 1: he'd have him fish in a in a tupperware bowl,

2379
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: and we have four or five baths in there. And

2380
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 1: if it wasn't just if it's just him or Claudine,

2381
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: he'd take about two or three and he cooked him.

2382
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: He'd leave other in a bowl, and so to eat

2383
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 1: from him, we'd have goat milk in there. So I

2384
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 1: grew up eating some of this stuff with my poppa

2385
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 1: to realize that I did like deer and boy, I

2386
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: was gonna get me a good job so I could

2387
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 1: buy me a piece of chicken. So some of it

2388
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: was good and some of it. Like to this day,

2389
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: I cannot eat goat cheese. I can go to a

2390
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: fancy restaurant and I'm like, man, I have goat cheese,

2391
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, because I grew up smelling woman.

2392
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, having goat milk. It ain't nothing worse if

2393
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 1: you don't know what's getting into them. Poor a big

2394
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: old chug, you know, goat milk over your fruit loops

2395
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 1: in the morning. Man, this this ain't I don't think

2396
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 1: this is that homogenized. You know. I tell everybody, and

2397
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, no matter how good it is at the end, yeah,

2398
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 1: when it kind of like leaves your your mouth, Yeah,

2399
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 1: I taste goat dust, Yeah you do. It's kind of

2400
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: like eating have Alena. If you can eat a burrito

2401
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 1: and you ever, because I've seen you on your show,

2402
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 1: y'all eat have Alena stuff and then you eat it

2403
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 1: and it's good, and then all of a sudden, it'll

2404
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 1: be like two days later, it's like you feel it.

2405
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: You know. So again, my daughter I recently she was

2406
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 1: eating some McDonald's french fries. Later she commented that, um,

2407
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: she's like, how come when you burp up the food,

2408
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: it's always the good parts that you taste. I'm like,

2409
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 1: no one's ever observe that she associates it with mc burp.

2410
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know that might be like

2411
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: your own private experience. Have you ever seen what daddy

2412
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 1: tried to carry out? Uh? We one time, speaking of

2413
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 1: belt and stuff up, we were floating the river for

2414
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 1: ducks one time for a day and we had someone

2415
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 1: had taken a dry bag and put all the lunch ships.

2416
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: My buddy Eric put all the lunch ship in the

2417
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: dry bag, but also put um uh, not a fuel canister,

2418
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 1: but like you know, the white gas. Remember everybody use

2419
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: white gas for camp stoves because it's the wintertime. So

2420
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 1: he throws the white gas can in and the food

2421
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: and the sole all in the same rubber dry bag,

2422
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 1: and that white gas got out. Oh my god, and

2423
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: you could kind of like eat that. You'd sort of faintly. No,

2424
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: there's like a what it's almost like you're smelling white

2425
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: gas vault eating. But I'm not kiding you, man, I

2426
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: don't know what it was for hours afterwards, burping up

2427
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: like purely clear like it was so it felt like

2428
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: you could blow flame balls. Really the way that white

2429
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 1: gas whatever concentrate and belch back up and it was

2430
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 1: like you're like breathing out white gas fume. That is nuts. Yeah,

2431
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 1: I cannot smell that jump, you know, like if you

2432
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: get like a super sick on like Canadian Hunter when

2433
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: you're sixteen, you can never smell. You can never smell

2434
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 1: Canadian Hunter again when I smell white gas. Still this day,

2435
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 1: I still think of that, Still think of that. True amazing,

2436
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, because you see all this stuff about food

2437
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 1: and packaging, and you know now they're big on the

2438
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 1: bottle water and the plastic bottle you know, could cause

2439
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 1: cancer or whatever. It seems like everything calls cancer. But

2440
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 1: it was funny because the kids, you know, Halloween, I

2441
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: remember they had a bunch of peppermints and a couple

2442
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: like Reese's those little you know, Halloween pumpkin egg Reese's it. Man,

2443
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like I got a weak spot for them.

2444
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: I gotta eat it. But I remember just the other day,

2445
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 1: one had been sitting and Dow and I think, man,

2446
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 1: this this thing's got enough preservative. It survived at the

2447
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: landfield and still in this package. Like I'm eating this sucker,

2448
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 1: but it's been in a can like a peppermint, and

2449
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 1: when I ate it, it it tastes like a peppermint peanut butter.

2450
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:18,600
Speaker 1: H I think, wait a minute, if all this is

2451
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 1: air tight, I find that odd there do that? So

2452
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 1: maybe kind of that theory is correct, you know, you

2453
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 1: if it's around something just is the coffee this's in

2454
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 1: this cup? Is it pulling from this whatever? I don't know,

2455
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 1: but and I've never been one of those guys to

2456
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 1: think much about it, but to be all paranoid. But

2457
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 1: the term now is off gassing. It's off your furniture,

2458
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 1: off gases and poisons you. But also I think the

2459
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 1: product line of the farm's expanding. Yeah, yeah, I got peppermint,

2460
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 1: uh peanut, haven't met flavored prayer pace On the back

2461
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 1: of the story, You'll be like, one day I had

2462
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 1: my peppermint's mixed up with my what's what's the pepper

2463
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: peanut cup? Exactly? So uh, we're two things. You're gonna

2464
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: stick around for trivia? Yeah, I'll tell you, man, I'm

2465
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 1: excited about that. I don't get too excited because here's

2466
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 1: the thing. Guests, I don't know why it's I'm developing

2467
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,240
Speaker 1: the thing. Guests don't do well. They suck at it easily,

2468
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 1: and I'm starting to feel like, um, I don't I

2469
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 1: don't want to say, I've kind of already sat. You

2470
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 1: could be jumping the gun here. You might smoke it.

2471
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,600
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to feel like we buy it. There's

2472
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: like an osmotic cause at a word, what's what's? Can

2473
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 1: I get this before we go into it? And maybe

2474
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 1: it intrigue somebody come see how the dumb Georgia redneck

2475
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 1: does on this particular trivia. But what is the subject

2476
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 1: lines at all? Hunting and fish? I feel it's all

2477
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 1: hunting fishing stuff, and I feel like it's spread out

2478
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 1: around the country across discipline. But then there'll be people

2479
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 1: that come in like Jay Scott. I think Jay Scott

2480
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:55,440
Speaker 1: is like encyclopedic, yeah, knowledge about he's been like a

2481
02:00:55,480 --> 02:01:00,160
Speaker 1: guide for a million years fishes hunts, right, what do

2482
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 1: you get? I think he got zero. He's got a

2483
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 1: real narrow focus of like question in defense of our guests,

2484
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 1: gave you a run for the money. He came in second.

2485
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:19,160
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson beat me, gave beat I think he came

2486
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:25,360
Speaker 1: in third place. Tucker was pretty good in a hunting stuff. Man,

2487
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:27,960
Speaker 1: he beat me. He did well. Really there was a

2488
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 1: question where he was the only person get it right. Okay,

2489
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 1: never mind, we'll see, we'll see. I'm gonna say, that's

2490
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 1: what you shoot for beating Tucker. Now man we um

2491
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 1: you'll notice when we put him up the trivia Shilds,

2492
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:44,120
Speaker 1: we decided to go Roman numerals, which is boring right now,

2493
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 1: but we were talking about when we get into a

2494
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of them, it'll be like the super Bowl where

2495
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 1: you can't tell what super Bowl it is. You said

2496
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 1: to trust it is a lot it's super Bowl like

2497
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:58,520
Speaker 1: xx V. Why you know? So either way, never mind,

2498
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:01,840
Speaker 1: because Spencer just presented a lot of information to suggest

2499
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 1: there's not like a guest curse, and I think that

2500
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 1: it would be fairer in future Spencer, when considering a guest,

2501
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,280
Speaker 1: maybe like lean their way a little bit like when

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02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: raising peakns Now, I made this trivia, yes, spacing of

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Speaker 1: peak and trees is a four questions like that? Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I made this episode or I made this trivia yesterday

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02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 1: and a couple of questions. I was like, what else

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Speaker 1: gonna get this? Right? Very kind? Now I'm even more

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Speaker 1: nervous and anxious and excited. Yeah, like you're throwing You're

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Speaker 1: telling everybody you're throwing him a bone, and if he bombs,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like geez, they even leaned his way,

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Speaker 1: They leaned his way, and he's still bombed. Okay, Uh

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Speaker 1: tell us, uh tell everybody the best way to go

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Speaker 1: find bone Collector, to find you to find your peak

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Speaker 1: hands on a prayer, Yeah, exactly. Um, well, obviously social

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Speaker 1: media you can go to a bone collector. We're on Instagram, Facebook,

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02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 1: obviously I'm on Twitter, and then also just bone collect

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Speaker 1: dot com. So you guys got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, we do. We got a lot on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You know, we still air on Outdoor Channel and uh

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Speaker 1: obviously every nine o'clock Eastern time we air or you

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Speaker 1: guys libraries on my Outdoor TV two. Yes, we're on

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02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 1: MOTV bone Collector there, and then we got some other

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Speaker 1: stuff that we're doing over on wait Point as well.

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Speaker 1: Just just just trying to do our best to kind

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Speaker 1: of spread the good word of the outdoors and having

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Speaker 1: fun with it. Everybody knows us for everybody. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's there, y'all. Check it out for sure,

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Speaker 1: we'll trag them down. Um okay, trivia game on al right, okay,

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Speaker 1: so stick around, stay on the Meat Eater podcast feed,

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Speaker 1: and you will see game on Suckers Volume three very soon,

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Speaker 1: featuring Michael Waddell, the Pecan Farmer