WEBVTT - Tracie | Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Betrayal fans, I have exciting news to share. Season

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<v Speaker 1>three of Betrayal is now a docu series on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the gripping story of Stacy Tyler and the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>who betrayed them. See the voices You've come to know

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<v Speaker 1>in Betrayal Under His Eye, streaming now on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 2>The person that sent these letters out was saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>have proof. Unless you confess your sins and repent, then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to release some tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. A few months ago, we got an email

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<v Speaker 1>from a listener we're going to call Tracy. She grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the South in the eighties. Her mom was

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<v Speaker 1>a free spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a wonderful hippie like woman. We would just

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<v Speaker 2>have goats running around. They would jump on the porch.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tracy wasn't like her mom. She was always more

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<v Speaker 1>buttoned up.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was growing up, my mom would lay on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the roof to get some sun and she

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<v Speaker 2>would not have her clothes on. And when I was young,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be just so horrified by that. And my

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<v Speaker 2>mom would always say, Tracy, just loosen up, It's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm always like no.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tracy was fourteen, her mom met a new guy

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<v Speaker 1>and decided to move with him to Africa. She hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>fully worked out where Tracy would stay, but she had

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<v Speaker 1>some ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, you can move to New York with your grandma,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can move to California with your aunt. Or

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<v Speaker 2>you can move to Africa with me, or you can

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<v Speaker 2>move in with your dad. Whatever you decide now. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasantine at the time, and my dad I applaud this.

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<v Speaker 2>He stepped in and said, no, these are children. They

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<v Speaker 2>are not deciding which state and whom they live with.

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<v Speaker 2>They are coming to live with me.

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<v Speaker 1>So she moved in with her dad and his new wife.

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<v Speaker 2>So very happy, wholesome childhood, except that my dad did

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<v Speaker 2>drink too much and occasionally that would cause a little problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Things at home could feel out of control, and at

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<v Speaker 1>times that made her feel really lonely. That was until

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<v Speaker 1>her stepmom invited her into a new community, her church.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time Tracy went for a Sunday service.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so warm and welcoming and something I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never experienced before.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big Southern Baptist church, one that loomed

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<v Speaker 1>large in their small town, and after a few Sundays there,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knew her name.

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<v Speaker 2>That was something that I had been searching for because

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<v Speaker 2>my family is a very small unit and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>grow up with cousins, So that just felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>place I wanted to be. I wasn't even related to

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<v Speaker 2>these people, but they felt like family just automatically.

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<v Speaker 1>The church quickly became Tracy's second home. She started volunteering

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<v Speaker 1>and joined the youth group choir. Her dad didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>the appeal, but Racy did. She saw it as a

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<v Speaker 1>way to break a cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing my dad struggle with alcoholism. I definitely felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I stay in church, I'm going to end up

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<v Speaker 2>serving the Lord with someone who doesn't struggle with alcoholism.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt very safe.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time she was seventeen, Terracy was taking notes

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<v Speaker 1>during Sunday sermons.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was one of those teenagers that didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>into trouble because everything that was preached.

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<v Speaker 1>Baptist, and the person doing the preaching he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was funny, he was charismatic, he seemed to care about people.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Keith, or at least that's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to call him in this episode, and when she

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting in the pew on Sunday, Tracy looked up

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<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember feeling the energy that came from his

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<v Speaker 2>preaching and his dedication to serving the Lord. I really

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<v Speaker 2>admired that a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of other people admired Keith too. He'd built his

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<v Speaker 1>church into a huge community.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like thirty people in our church. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>this little church where everybody has behive hair. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand people in our church. It was principles, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the mayor, it was the police chief, very well

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<v Speaker 2>viewed citizens of our town.

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<v Speaker 1>The church was popular, but it also had rules, strict ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and Terracy was a rule follower.

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<v Speaker 2>I am wearing skirts all the time. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>wear pants. I don't listen to rock music. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>listen to any secular music. That's how deeply entrenched I was.

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<v Speaker 1>And the strictest rules were around dating.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very much praised. If you made it to

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<v Speaker 2>the altar and had never kissed, you don't live together,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have premarital sex, you don't go to the

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<v Speaker 2>movie theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>Tercy's favorite part of the church was the youth group choir.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a group of nearly one hundred teenagers who

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<v Speaker 1>would travel all around the South to perform.

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<v Speaker 2>Our youth group would sing and then Keith would preach.

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<v Speaker 2>We would go to churches all around far and wide.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we actually made tapes and like sold them.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a typical teenage experience. Instead of sneaking alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>with her friends, she joined the church's campaign against it.

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<v Speaker 2>Our county was a dry county and when there was

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<v Speaker 2>a vote to bring alcohol in, our church was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest adversaries to that and made it very loud,

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<v Speaker 2>took out billboards, had preaching on the corners about the

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<v Speaker 2>evils of alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>The message resonated with Tracy. It was personal, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also felt like she was part of something bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, being from a small town, it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>a movement of positivity.

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<v Speaker 1>After high school, Tracy enrolled in a college about an

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<v Speaker 1>hour away. She went for a teaching degree, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was still active in Keith's church. She went on weekend

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<v Speaker 1>trips to perform with her youth choir. After one of

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<v Speaker 1>those weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Trips, when I returned back to my college dorm, it

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<v Speaker 2>was about two o'clock in the morning, and my answer

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<v Speaker 2>machine is flashing, so I put and it's Keith's voice,

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<v Speaker 2>and all he's doing is asking did I get home safely?

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<v Speaker 2>And could I please call him at his home to

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<v Speaker 2>let him know I got home safely.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith, the head passed her was like a celebrity. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though she dedicated so much time to his church, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>never talked to him directly. To talk to Keith one

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<v Speaker 1>on one, he needed an appointment, and now he was

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<v Speaker 1>calling her in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>I really felt like that was super odd. That had

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<v Speaker 2>never happened before. Actually, I didn't even know if he

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<v Speaker 2>really even knew me. Of course he saw me, but

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<v Speaker 2>we never spoke.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was the leader of her church. So she

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<v Speaker 1>called him right back.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is now two thirty in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and gave him a call and he said, I just

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to check on you to make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>got there safely, And then the conversation switched to, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just wondering if you would ever consider going

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<v Speaker 2>out on a date with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy felt a rush of emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>When he asked me out. I just started crying. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it was all that I could ever wish for.

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<v Speaker 1>In Keith's church, asking someone on a date signaled a

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<v Speaker 1>very serious intention, a holy intention, with marriage as the

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<v Speaker 1>end goal.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt immediately very complimented that someone who's serving the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord in such a way would even consider asking me out.

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<v Speaker 1>This was someone who not only shared her values, but

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<v Speaker 1>preached them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always going to be serving people and caring for others.

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<v Speaker 2>He's never going to hurt people. I could have a

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<v Speaker 2>man that's never going to drink too much. He's never

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<v Speaker 2>going to cheat on me.

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<v Speaker 1>It made her feel safe, but it was still so surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy had never thought of Keith romantically. He was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five and she had just turned twenty. She didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know much about him.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't pay any attention to him other than being

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<v Speaker 2>the pastor that was energetic, charismatic. It never even crossed

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<v Speaker 2>my mind to think of him in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing she did know about him was that his

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<v Speaker 1>wife had recently walked out of their marriage. He was

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<v Speaker 1>open about this journey with his congregation.

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<v Speaker 2>She left suddenly and moved in with a younger man

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<v Speaker 2>and left the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith had three daughters that he was now parenting on

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<v Speaker 1>his own. The youngest was only a year old. It

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<v Speaker 1>was hard on him emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>He really preached a lot about his wife leading him

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<v Speaker 2>and how he stays up at night with the baby crying,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the girls cry for someone to be

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<v Speaker 2>in their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of women in the church felt sorry for him.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted a partner, so when he asked Tracy out

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<v Speaker 1>on a date, she knew what it meant. Keith had

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<v Speaker 1>chosen her.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, what better opportunity would I have for a

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<v Speaker 2>man that could be good in my life? Like this

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<v Speaker 2>has got to be it. It's like being offered the best.

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<v Speaker 2>What else could there be? That's what it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to meet for a picnic. On the date.

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<v Speaker 1>She expected Keith to be strict and chased no handholding,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no kissing. She'd been following those rules for the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years. But on the day of their date.

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<v Speaker 2>We met and went to a scenic area that was alone,

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<v Speaker 2>and he actually pushed me down and kissed me.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith could see that Tracy was taken aback. He tried

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<v Speaker 1>to explain, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness, I'm so sorry I did this. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just overcome because I just really care about you. It

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<v Speaker 2>felt like an impulse that couldn't be controlled. I felt elated.

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<v Speaker 2>I must be the person who really cares about in

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<v Speaker 2>order for him to cross that line, a line that

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<v Speaker 2>I so carefully for the past four years never crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, they spent hours sitting in Keith's car just chatting.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he had been my pastor for four years, him

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<v Speaker 2>talking and me listening was just a natural part of

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship, and he just told me how much he

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<v Speaker 2>cared for me. It just felt very safe and I

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<v Speaker 2>felt very special.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the beginning of a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>From there, we continued to date in a secretive way

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<v Speaker 2>for about a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy knew that if her parents found out about the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have burned the college down to keep me

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<v Speaker 2>from being with Keith. My mom and my dad, who

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<v Speaker 2>did not go to church with his wife, was very

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<v Speaker 2>much against it. In my mind, that would be the

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<v Speaker 2>most horrible thing that I could tell them would be

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<v Speaker 2>that I was dating a very conservative pastor. And for Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>part of the secrecy was because he wasn't ready to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to his girls about it yet, even though he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to remain somewhat stable to them looking so that

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<v Speaker 2>really played a huge part in me feeling sorry for

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<v Speaker 2>him and trying to be what he needed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>They were both willing to do whatever it took to

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<v Speaker 1>be together, even if it meant being discreet.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd often drive an hour or two hours to meet,

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<v Speaker 2>like at a rest stop, or pick up some food

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<v Speaker 2>and eat at a scenic spot. Did that for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>They fell hard for one another.

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<v Speaker 2>We definitely expressed great love for each other very early on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was deeply, deeply, deeply committed.

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<v Speaker 1>To him, even though it was against church rules. Their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship progressed physically.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not cross all the boundaries, but we certainly

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<v Speaker 2>did cross a lot of them. He just told me

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<v Speaker 2>that the reason that he couldn't control his impulses with

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<v Speaker 2>me was because he already felt like I was his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>She felt like she was breaking the rules, but Keith

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who made the rules.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows God, and if God is telling him that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the person who am I to try to figure

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<v Speaker 2>that out when I don't know, Like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what God says, like he runs a church and I

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<v Speaker 2>can see God answering prayers for him every week at church.

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<v Speaker 2>How could I no better?

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<v Speaker 1>Keith had direct communication with God, and that came with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of power.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't God, but he was the closest thing in

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<v Speaker 2>our church to God. Meaning if he said it, it went,

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<v Speaker 2>If he thought it, it happened. If he wanted it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be worked through by all the

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<v Speaker 2>people in the church to make it happen. There was

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<v Speaker 2>no questioning his authority. There was no checks and balances

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<v Speaker 2>in our church. We had deacons, but the deacons were

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<v Speaker 2>to do good to the widows and they just followed Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>If you did question him, you were quickly moved down

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<v Speaker 2>the church by others.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years into their relationship, Keith said he was ready

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<v Speaker 1>to make their commitment public.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when he sat down and talked to the deacons

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the deacons approved that they started going out

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<v Speaker 1>together in public. She would join him and his children

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<v Speaker 1>for lunch after church on Sundays.

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<v Speaker 2>When we went public, I was proud because it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like I was no longer a secret, and it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he was taking a stand on our future together.

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<v Speaker 1>One Saturday, Keith was determined to take Tracy to the

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<v Speaker 1>beach for a date.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly after we got to the beach, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>heard the plane and I could see that it was

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<v Speaker 2>dragging one of those signs behind it, saying Tracy, will

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<v Speaker 2>you marry me? Love Keith, And then he just pulled

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<v Speaker 2>out a ring and he said, will you marry me.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't actually feel like a question. It felt like

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<v Speaker 1>the decision had already been made.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt immediately honored that I could be his wife

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<v Speaker 2>and we could do this movement together. And at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time I felt like, oh, no, is this exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what I think it is? But it had gone too far,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had already spoken to the deacons and it

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<v Speaker 2>was already public in the church. I just felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>who am I to question this? If he feels like

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<v Speaker 2>this is what has to happen and I love him

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<v Speaker 2>very much, then this is what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the proposal, Keith hadn't talked to Tracy's dad, so

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<v Speaker 1>when word got back to her father.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was very frustrated and he felt that there

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<v Speaker 2>was an imbalance of power and that Keith was taking

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of his daughter. So my dad had tried to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him, but he would not.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Keith wouldn't meet with him. Tracy's dad decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Keith, and there was one place he knew

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad actually showed up at our church during one

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<v Speaker 2>of the services and he walked inside and he said, Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to and I mean there's hundreds of people there,

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<v Speaker 2>and Keith said, what are you doing. You're interrupting the service.

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<v Speaker 1>Tercy's dad confronted Keith in the middle of his sermon

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<v Speaker 1>while hundreds of parishioners watched in confusion. It was a spectacle.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately, the deacons surrounded my dad and rushed him out

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<v Speaker 2>of the church. Later, my dad told me, he said, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know that that was difficult for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was the only way that I knew to

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<v Speaker 2>try to get his attention and try to let people

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<v Speaker 2>know how bad I think this is. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually had a gun in my car and I locked

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<v Speaker 2>it in my car so I could not run back

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<v Speaker 2>and get it, because if I had my way, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have used it that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy was determined to marry Keith. They set a date

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<v Speaker 1>for right after she graduated college, and despite her dad's

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<v Speaker 1>public outburst, he showed up for the wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad walked me down the aisle, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the hardest things he's ever done, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>But in support of his daughter, regardless of who she

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<v Speaker 2>was marrying, he wanted to be there for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The wedding was on a Sunday night, with hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>people in attendance, from parishioners to family and friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was always done over the top, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>our wedding would also be over the top. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>this was a big wedding, big, big wedding. I had

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<v Speaker 2>like eight bridesmaids, He had like eight groomsmen, and my

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<v Speaker 2>little brother was dressed just like Keith, little white tucks

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<v Speaker 2>and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>While they were standing at the altar, Keith surprised her

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<v Speaker 1>with a personal rendition of a Johnny Mathis song.

0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Keith got the guitar from behind and surprised me singing

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth of Never. I'll love you till the twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>of Never. And they actually cut a hole in the

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<v Speaker 2>ceiling of the church and dropped all these balloons down

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<v Speaker 2>on top of us when they announced that we were

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<v Speaker 2>husband and wife.

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<v Speaker 1>After the honeymoon, Tracy moved into the house, Keith and

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<v Speaker 1>his daughters already lived in She got a job teaching

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<v Speaker 1>at a Christian school run by Keith's church.

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<v Speaker 2>And by just dove right in. So our life seven

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<v Speaker 2>days a week revolved around church, whether it was visitation

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<v Speaker 2>or bus ministry or running to this church on a

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night so that the youth choir could sing. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>revolved around church, and that was our entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>After the wedding, Keith's life didn't change that much. Tracy's

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<v Speaker 1>did because now she was the stepmother to Keith's three

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 1>young daughters.

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<v Speaker 2>I instantly loved the kids because I felt like they

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<v Speaker 2>were just being tossed about given the situation with their

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>mom not living with them. So I was happy to

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<v Speaker 2>take that on and I actually thought, I am okay

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<v Speaker 2>with not having children of my own. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to raise.

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<v Speaker 1>His Tracy also became the first lady of the church,

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<v Speaker 1>which had some upsides.

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<v Speaker 2>You are his wife, You drive the best cars, you

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<v Speaker 2>live in the big house on the hill, You have

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<v Speaker 2>inner workings of what his life is, and you are

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<v Speaker 2>privy to all of it, and you should be very

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<v Speaker 2>very grateful that you're in it. And for the first

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, that's exactly how it went. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a lovely time with his family.

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>She even loved the little moments, the everyday tasks of parenting.

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.359
<v Speaker 2>I would get the kids up for school and they

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<v Speaker 2>would travel with me. I taught at the same school

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<v Speaker 2>that they went to. Then after school, I would bring

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<v Speaker 2>them home. They would play and do and I would

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>cook dinner or make something for dinner, and then we'd

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<v Speaker 2>get ready for church. So it's just a very busy time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I felt like I was exactly where I needed to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be plause she was able to continue serving the community.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like she had a larger purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>I really thrived in the position as a preacher's wife.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed teaching in a Christian school. I enjoyed working

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<v Speaker 2>with people where I could go visit them and bring

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<v Speaker 2>them groceries and help them figure out how to do

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<v Speaker 2>their child care or whatever they needed. I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to help people and live for other people. That was

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<v Speaker 2>something that I really wanted.

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Keith treated her like a prize. He gushed about their

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<v Speaker 1>happy marriage in his Sunday sermons.

0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I felt very much like he was as devoted to

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<v Speaker 2>me as I was him, and he would make that

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<v Speaker 2>very apparent. He would talk about me in his messages.

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<v Speaker 2>He would use humor about our relationship. He would always

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<v Speaker 2>brag on me being his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>As time went on, Tercy started noticing some odd behavior

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<v Speaker 1>from Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>We would pull up and get gas and somebody would

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.640
<v Speaker 2>pump our gas and they would say, hey, what' chulp

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and doing all day? And Keith would make up something

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<v Speaker 2>that we weren't even doing. Like it just I started

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that not telling the truth was something that came

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<v Speaker 2>very easily to him, and that surprised me over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>And behind the scenes, she was seeing how he ran

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<v Speaker 1>the church, and at times it was off putting. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>it was little things, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Very movies that he would talk against from the pulpit.

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<v Speaker 2>We would watch it home and he would say he

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<v Speaker 2>was studying it.

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<v Speaker 1>She saw that Keith could be materialistic, so for.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor appreciation Day he would be like, whatever you want,

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.800
<v Speaker 2>But behind the scenes he was like, I want this

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 2>color car made of this model with this kind of seat,

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and I want this kind of trim and it needs

0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:24.320
<v Speaker 2>to have XYZ on it. So I was constantly questioning

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 2>in my heart, how does this work? Because, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't raised in a church environment. He's the only

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<v Speaker 2>pastor I've ever had. It just was contradictory to what

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<v Speaker 2>I expected life to be with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, there were other times where his actions really give

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<v Speaker 1>her pause.

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<v Speaker 2>When a church member would call and say their child

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 2>was in a car wreck. Could he go to the

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<v Speaker 2>hospital to visit them and pray with them? He would

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 2>say he was busy, and he would hang up the

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<v Speaker 2>phone and he would save, Tracy, let's go jump in

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:01.919
<v Speaker 2>the pool. And I would say, Keith, that church member

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>just asked if you could go see their son who

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<v Speaker 2>just was in a terrible car wreck. And he would say, Tracy,

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't do everything everybody wants. I can't be on

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seven and here I am fifteen years

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>younger than him, going that doesn't make sense. But what

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>do I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Every time she had questions about Keith's behavior, this is

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>what she came back to. He knows more about how

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<v Speaker 1>to run the.

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<v Speaker 2>Church, and all was good. Until about nineteen ninety.

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Six, four years into their marriage, Tracy and Keith's life

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>was well established. They ran a few businesses through the church,

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>like a summer camp in a bookstore. It was at

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that bookstore where Tracy began to notice another strange pattern

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>in Keith's behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a young lady that worked there who was

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>in high school. She was very friendly, very sweet, and

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed her company. However, if I walked in and

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Keith was there, they would instantly move apart, like they

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>would be close together, like a foot apart from each other,

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.679
<v Speaker 2>and then they would step away. And I remember that

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 2>catching my attention because that's exactly how he and I

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 2>did it when we were secretly meeting. So I just

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 2>started paying attention.

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>She watched for a few weeks, and she saw Keith

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>behaving strangely every time he was in the same space

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>as the girl. Eventually, Racy decided to address it with him.

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I talked to Keith about it, and I said, Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel an attraction to this girl, I want

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>you to remember that she is a young girl and

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<v Speaker 2>just move on, pray about it, and be done with it.

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I was conditioned to believe that men cannot help their impulses,

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and I just felt like I need to remind him

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to check himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy thought that conversation would be the end of it,

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>but Keith didn't react well.

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>He would instantly put me in my place and say

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. It

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>was a very direct, accusatory flip the script to how

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.159
<v Speaker 2>dare you to where you're apologizing to him at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it, like, oh, I'm so sorry, how could

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I ever think that?

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And Keith made it clear he didn't take orders from Tracy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm God's man. It's none of your business. God will

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 2>keep me in check, that was his answer.

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Talking directly with the girl at the bookstore wasn't an

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 1>option because Tracy didn't have any proof. She only had

0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a gut feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>I ever said anything to her, of course, you know

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>it was I would never. I would never say anything

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't sure right, I was just seeing it.

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I wasn't seeing it. So that's how the next

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>two years went.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>During that time, Tracy's got feeling grew into a certainty

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>something was going on.

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I knew he had intraction for that young lady. I

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 2>could feel it. I could even feel when he dressed

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>differently because he was going to be around her. So

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I would bring those fears or those thoughts to him

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>as rationally as I could and say, Keith, I know

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>you're going to see this young lady today, and he'd say,

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>how you know that? And I'd say, because you're doing

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 2>this this, You're wearing this cologne, or you put on

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>these clothes. I could tell the difference because I knew

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.399
<v Speaker 2>him and I just watched him so for four years

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>before I even dated him. I observed him every week,

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 2>many times a week, and I knew his patterns. And then,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>most disturbing of all, when we would have intimacy, there

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 2>was oftentimes that he would call me her name, and

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 2>she's sixteen seventeen and he's forty four.

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>The first time that happened, Tracy was horrified and embarrassed.

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 1>She felt sick to her stomach.

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>When I realized that he actually had a true attraction

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 2>for someone that was so young, it was devastating to me.

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>It was such a contradiction between what was being preached

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and what I saw happening. I actually considered just walking away,

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>walking into the woods, and just disappearing because I had

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 2>no power, I had no credit card. I thought everyone

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>would hate me and blame me. Yet I was just

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 2>completely powerless, and so the only way to get away

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>would be to just walk away and just disappear.

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Leaving would mean abandoning everything she built, the kids, she'd

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>helped raise, the congregation she loved. The only way she'd

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>be able to walk away is if she had concrete

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>proof of Keith's actions.

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 2>It had been very clear that things had gotten out

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 2>of control, but up until that point, no proof had

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>been put in front of me.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>She knew it would take a lot more than her

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>word to bring down God's right hand man. Tracy felt

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>so trapped that she considered taking her own life.

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I felt so alone, so ostracized, and I was so

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 2>doubting my own understanding of exactly what I was seeing,

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and unable to find help.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>To give herself a purpose, she became laser focused on

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>things she could control, like raising the kids and supporting

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the congregation.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I just started throwing myself into what the good was

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and trying to just ignore the other stuff. And I

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>felt literally crazy. And yet I needed to hold the

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>church together. I needed to not fall apart. I needed

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 2>to be acting like I was completely behind Keith and

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>saw nothing wrong. And that worked until Nathan came into

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the picture. One of the deacons came up to me

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and told me that he had been receiving letters from

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>someone who called himself Nathan.

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It was a pseudonym, one that anyone in the church

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>would recognize, and came from a Bible story about a

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>prophet named Nathan who was sent by God to confron

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>King David. King David had committed adultery and he was

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>using his power to hide it, so God sent Nathan

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>to confront the king. Whoever wrote this letter was sending

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>a clear message that even the most powerful leaders are

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>not above God's law.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>The person that sent these letters out was saying to Keith,

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>what would you do if someone's committing adultery in your church?

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>And then it said you are that person, and I

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>know you are.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I have proof in the Bible story. King David immediately

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>acknowledged his own actions and repented for his sins.

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Nathan used that parable specifically to give

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Keith the chance to correct and not make it public.

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>This letter writer also had some leverage.

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Then it said, unless you confess your sins and repent,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to release some tapes.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Letters had been sent to the church deacons and to

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Keith himself, but after Keith read the letter, he threw

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it away.

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, Keith did not take that seriously. She didn't believe

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>that this person that called themselves Nathan really had anything.

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Tracey saw her whole life on the brink of collapse.

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm thinking it's coming down. This is the hammer's falling,

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>is what I'm thinking.

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>And she believed Nathan, whoever he was, Nathan meant what

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>he said when he said, I will make it public

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>if you don't correct yourself. And so when Keith blew

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>off Nathan's demands.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Our phone had been tapped and the tapes were released.

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Tracy and Keith's life was hanging in the balance when

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 1>someone in their church mailed out anonymous letters. The letter

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>writer called himself Nathan. He said he had evidence of

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Keith committing adultery.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>The letter first came to Keith, and then the letters

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>were sent to the deacons to try to put their

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>King David in line, and nothing seemed to have been done,

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>And so then the tapes were released.

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Whoever Nathan was, he had tapped Keith and Tracy's home phone.

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>He'd been recording the line and making tapes of Keith's

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>private conversations. The David tapes were sent out, Keith was

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>nowhere to be found.

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It happened all so quickly. At this point, Keith is

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>now somewhere in the woods praying, like he's gone to

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a quiet place to go pray.

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>But Racy was in the eye of the storm. She

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>found out about the tapes when a member of their congregation,

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a friend of hers, came speeding into the church parking lot.

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, Tracy, I need to talk to you.

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>His wife, Michelle, was also a friend of theirs and

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a member of the congregation.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Michelle was actually around my age. She would hang around.

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 2>We all hung around each other. We'd play volleyball after

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 2>church all Wednesday nights, and you know, it was just

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>all fun and games.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Tercy had noticed something funny about her husband, Keith and Michelle.

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>He and this woman would back away from each other,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>and then I started noticing that they would wear the

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 2>same colors, like on Sunday mornings.

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Now, Michelle's husband was in front of her with a

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>cassette tape in his hand. He had received a tape

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>at his office. It was from Nathan.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>He opened it up, you know, he was like, what

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>is this. Let me you know. There was no markings

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>on it whatsoever. Nothing, It said nothing, and he just

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>popped it into the recorder. He's horrified because he's literally

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>hearing his wife on these tapes and Keith in very

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>intimate situations, and so he turned it off real quick,

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and that is when he came to find me and

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>he told me what was on the tape.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>The tapes exposed that Keith and Michelle had a secret routine,

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>one that they kept from their spouses for months.

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>It would happen as soon as I would leave to

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>go to work in the morning. I would take the

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>girls to school and I would go to my class

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 2>to teach, and Keith and Michelle would get on the

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 2>phone and that's when they would do. This is when

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 2>the kids were in school and the spouses where at work.

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>The tapes were recordings of Keith and Michelle having phone sex.

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 2>On this tape was many many weeks of spliced discussions

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 2>between Keith and Michelle.

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Michelle's husband was horrified at what he'd heard.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>He's crying, he's embarrassed. It's very clear that he's as

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 2>shocked about it as I am.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to listen to the tapes together with Tracy.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I just refused. I said, I'm not interested in listening

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to it. I don't need to hear it, but I

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>do want to talk to you about what was going

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 2>to happen from there.

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Before they confronted their spouses, Michelle's husband wanted to investigate

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>for himself. He needed to know how far this affair went,

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't take long for him to find an answer.

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 2>He personally had seen the ledgers of teeth signature signing

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>in to hotels.

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>This proved Keith's affair went far beyond phone conversations. It

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was life altering for Tracy and also from Michelle's husband,

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 1>but it had huge implications for the church.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I just could not bear it. I mean, we had

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the most beloved congregation of people that I knew this

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>was gonna absolutely devastate.

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>It was time to feace the music. But as word

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>began spreading through the community Keith was missing.

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>It became a very real fact to everyone that Keith

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 2>was cheating on me and it was someone that was

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>within the church. It was just full like a firestorm

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>across our town.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Everyone was shocked to find out that Keith was living

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>a double life, everyone except Tracy's dad. He still lived

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>in town for years. He'd been waiting for the other

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>shoe to drop.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 2>My dad owns the pool hall across the street from

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the church, so he literally has a front row seat

0:37:58.160 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to the chaos that is instill.

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Tracy's dad decided to make the most of Keith's public humiliation.

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>My dad bought five hundred bumper stickers that he had

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 2>printed up that said in bright bold letters, I am

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Nathan and proud of it, and he handed him out

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 2>to the patrons of his business and his friends.

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Tracy's dad wasn't Nathan. He was just thrilled someone was

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>exposing Keith. But for Tracy, the public humiliation was more

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>complicated because the night she found out about the tapes, I.

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Get a call from the young lady.

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>It was the girl who used to work in the bookstore.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>She was now in her early twenties, but she was

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>calling Tracy because she just heard the news about Keith

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and Michelle's affair.

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 2>She is as hurt as I am because she thought

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 2>she was the only one and now she realizes that

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>he has done this with another woman.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>This phone call validated Tracy's suspicions from years before. Even

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>though Keith had vehemently denied it, the truth was coming out.

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>He had been romantically involved with this girl back when

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>she was a teenager.

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 2>She read to me the poetry that Keith had written

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to her, and she validated everything. She said, Yes, we

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>did this, we did that. He wrote me this, and

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 2>she was telling me because she was so hurt that

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he had done this with Michelle, which is so ironic

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>that I am the wife. They all did it too.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Terracy could finally put together a timeline. After this girl

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>graduated high school and went off to college, Keith picked

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>up with Michelle. He spun a complicated web of betrayals,

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>one that damaged and devastated many people, and he left

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Tracy to pick up the pieces.

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>She was coming to me from a place of deep hurt,

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>saying that she should have told me, you know, two

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 2>years prior. I really couldn't console her at that point.

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 2>I was so shocked that I don't remember what I

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 2>said to her, but I did end up throwing the

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 2>phone across the room. Since then, I have reached out

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>to her to tell her that she was a young

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 2>lady that was also manipulated, and I've tried to help

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>her realize that I have no hurt toward her at all.

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>After the tapes were set out, the girl told her

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>parents about how Keith pursued her, and they went to

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the police.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 2>The young ladies parents learned of the affair between her

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>and Keith, and they brought a lawsuit against him, but

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>turned out that the age of consent in that state

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>she had just reached that age, so the lawsuit could

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>not go any further.

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>When Keith came back from his time praying in the woods,

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>he resumed his position as head of the church.

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>The church still let Keith preach every Sunday. And the

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 2>reason they did that was because a manipulator, when they're caught,

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>they don't just come clean. They blame everyone else and

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 2>they say that it's been twisted and turned and they

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>continue to manipulate. And that's exactly what happened. These people

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>did not want to believe that Keith was doing this,

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 2>even though they were faced with it.

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Many people in town had the motivation to do what

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Nathan did, especially the teenage girl and her parents, but

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they weren't behind the Nathan letters. So it left a

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>question hanging over the whole congregation. Who was Nathan.

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>At the time, I had no idea. There was a

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of speculation of who it could be, and a

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of blaming, like this person's probably doing it. In fact,

0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Keith was trying to bring a lawsuit against whoever Nathan

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>was for tapping his phone lines because it would be

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>illegal to do that.

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Instead of sitting through Keith's first sermon back at the pulpit,

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Tracy got a one way ticket to California.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I felt so much shock and hurt that I didn't

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 2>stick around for the fallout of it.

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I flew to.

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>San Diego and I was on the other side of

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the country with my head in the sand, just trying

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to breathe.

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Back at church, Keith had started preaching a lesson in

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>forgiveness about how Tracy needed to forgive him.

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>During that time, Keith actually announced my phone number from

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>the pulpit and told everyone to give me a call

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and just begged me to come back. It was the

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>most bizarre and ridiculous thing ever. Hundreds of phone calls,

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>just over and over, just people saying we love you, Tracy,

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 2>We're praying for you. Other people would say, how dare

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 2>you do this to God's man? How can you betray him?

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>You need to get back over there and fight the

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>good fight. Just on and on and finally the pressure

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>was so much that I decided, for his kid's sake

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and for those people that were hurting, that I could

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>give him another chance. So after about four months, I

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>ended up going back to Keith. Not because I felt

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>like it was necessarily the best thing for me, but

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I felt like it was the best thing for the

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>church and the people, and I was their preacher's wife,

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like I needed to heal all the

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>hurt that had happened through this.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Keith also promised Tracy's something she really wanted if she

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:50.760
<v Speaker 1>came back.

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.359
<v Speaker 2>If you remember, I had agreed that I would raise

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>his children and not have any of my own. But

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>as I grew through the decade, I started wanting children.

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 2>But I just kept pushing it back, saying, you know

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>it's okay, I'll just rap you know. I'll raise his

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I love them well. When I left him, that was

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>one of his buying points is we can have a

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 2>child of our own if you come back.

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>So she went back, but this time Tracy drew a

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>firm boundary.

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:28.240
<v Speaker 2>I told Keith, I am back. However, if you ever

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>do this to me again, you will have zero access

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to me and I will not look back.

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And so She went on optimistic that Keith would change,

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>but six months later.

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Some people came up to me and said, Keith is

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 2>having another affair. I said, put proof in my hands

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 2>and I will leave him and that will be it.

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And I ended up getting proof put in my hands

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.040
<v Speaker 2>that he was doing marriage counseling with a woman and

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 2>her husband. He ended up having an affair with her,

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and that night I drove out of town and on

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day two thousand, I joined the military. I walked

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 2>into her recruitment office and I said, can I take

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the ASPAB right now?

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>That's the entrance exam for the military.

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 2>They were like, who are you? And yes, yes, come

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>sit down, and I took it. And because I'd been

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>a school teacher for middle school math at that point,

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I aced it.

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>She was sent to basic training.

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Straight from being a school teacher and a preacher's wife

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.959
<v Speaker 2>to putting my head in the defel bag and low

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 2>crawling to go get my food. I joined the military

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 2>because that was the only way to break away. It

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>was the only way that I knew how to get

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 2>away from Keith, and to do it in a way

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>where I was financially independent. Because being a good preacher's wife.

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>I didn't save a rainy day fund because that means

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 2>you're halfway out.

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>After basic training, Tracy was offered a position as an officer,

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>but she wanted something more short term.

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I was thirty one. I said, you know what,

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do any of that. I just

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 2>want a short term enlistment period because I know that

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to have a family one day. So I

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 2>just joined for three years and I spent my whole

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>time in Kaiserslater in Germany at Lonstore Regional Medical Center.

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>It's actually an air ambulance to thirty six Air Ambulance,

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and I had a ball and totally restarted my life.

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Met a wonderful man there and we have a son together.

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Today, Tracy works as a bogue captain in a small

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>southern town where she lives with her son. It's been

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years since the Nathan tapes were sent out

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and Keith's betrayals were exposed. But what remains a mystery

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 1>is Nathan's true true identity.

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 2>No one has ever stepped up and said that they

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.799
<v Speaker 2>are Nathan. Now, I feel like I have a very

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>good idea and other people we've talked about it, and

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>we feel like it could be this person. So I

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 2>feel ninety nine percent sure that I know who it was.

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, Tracy's never needed to know.

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter to her who Nathan really was. She's

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>just grateful to him for breaking the silence. It wasn't

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.919
<v Speaker 2>just me, it's all of these people that went through

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>this and have never been told the truth. And I

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 2>did not stand up and tell the truth for several

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.839
<v Speaker 2>reasons because I didn't want to hurt them. I didn't

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>want to expose things. And I've been I would say, brainwash,

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>manipulated into thinking that I am partaking in part of

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 2>the guilt and the shame if I do speak now,

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it's been twenty four years and I can speak.

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 1>After Teresa left for the final time, Keith kept right

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.359
<v Speaker 1>on preaching. She got worried about how he addressed it

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:07.359
<v Speaker 1>with the congregation.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>He did not address anything. He did not say what

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.919
<v Speaker 2>had happened, He did not explain anything. He didn't say

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 2>why I left. All he said was, don't believe everything

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you're going to hear. I've heard from other people that

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 2>he said directly that, oh, Tracy left because she wanted

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 2>a baby, and we couldn't have one.

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Keith is still preaching to this day.

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 2>He's built a new building, he has a new congregation,

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 2>He's remarried. They know nothing about me or all that

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 2>has happened. The lawsuit, the three women finding his name

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 2>on a hotel roster, the tapes that were sent out

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>of him having phone sex. They know nothing about that stuff.

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>And Tracy hasn't been back to church since.

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 2>For me, going into a church and sitting I can

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 2>see what could be happening in the background, and that's

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 2>really distracting to me. I wish I had that innocence

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 2>again of just walking in, but I don't have that anymore.

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.840
<v Speaker 1>We end all of our weekly episodes with the same question,

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 1>why do you want to share your story?

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I've actually thought about it for a very long time.

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>How to ever tell the truth and the story that

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I have because I felt like it needed to be told.

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I always felt manipulated and guilty to stay quiet. Even

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>now there's a lot of pressure to do that. But

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I understand that the pathway to peace and understanding is

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 2>by claiming your experiences and dealing with them. It turned

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 2>my life upside down, but you move forward and I've

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 2>definitely learned that I'm stronger than I thought I could be,

0:49:55.640 --> 0:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and I believe the truth sets us free. I decided

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>to tell.

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Us on the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 3>If this could be true about my brother, and I

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 3>could have no idea how on earth would I ever

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.359
<v Speaker 3>know who the monsters.

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:28.440
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