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Speaker 1: A there, folks, it is Saturday, December twentieth, and we

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Speaker 1: are shaking our heads and our mouths are dropped at

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Speaker 1: an absolutely ridiculous story. Out of all places, Finland the country,

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Speaker 1: the leader has had to apologize to Asian countries essentially

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Speaker 1: all of them. Why because there's something a beauty pageant

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Speaker 1: contestant did.

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Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy A TJ. Rodes.

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Speaker 1: You pointed this story out to me and I didn't

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Speaker 1: think it was that big of a deal, but this

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Speaker 1: is this is nuts, folks. To explain what's going on.

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Speaker 1: A Miss Finland lost her title because of a social

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Speaker 1: media post.

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Speaker 3: Fair to say, yes, she was Miss Finland.

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Speaker 4: Her name is Sarah joff I'm trying to figure how

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Speaker 4: to say it's job se okay joff Set, Let's go with.

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Speaker 3: It, Sarah joff Set.

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Speaker 4: But we'll just refer to her as the former Miss

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Speaker 4: Finlay and from now on. But it's one thing to

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Speaker 4: read about what she did in the social media post

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Speaker 4: and to hear her I'm sorry lame defense of why.

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Speaker 2: She says, oh, let's give her a break.

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Speaker 4: But when you look at the photo that was posted,

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Speaker 4: and then you look at what happened afterwards. It actually

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Speaker 4: is something you have to see to believe, because you

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Speaker 4: can't believe, at least I can't in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: knowing that you are a international figure now representing your

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Speaker 4: and then you're defended.

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Speaker 2: So sh wait. A couple things.

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Speaker 1: She won Miss Finland, she did okay, and she participated

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Speaker 1: in the Miss Universe. She did pagine right, okay, So

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Speaker 1: this is who we're talking about, folks, and she has

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Speaker 1: lost her title because.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Controversy one was the fact that she posted, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: a picture got out that was posted on social media

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Speaker 1: of her pulling the corners of her eyes, and the

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Speaker 1: caption to remind me said.

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Speaker 3: What eat like a Chinese? Yes, eat with the Chinese?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, eating with the Chinese. There it is, eating with

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Speaker 1: the Chinese, is what it said. Now you can put

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Speaker 1: together from the description I just gave about the picture

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Speaker 1: what they were trying to do and how they thought

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Speaker 1: they were being funny. Now, Robes, this is a twenty

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Speaker 1: two year old woman. She this is how she explained,

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Speaker 1: at least for a moment. We'll explain how she explained

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Speaker 1: what happened. She says she was at dinner with a

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Speaker 1: friend and she had a headache and she was pulling

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Speaker 1: or gesturing at the corner of her eyes, kind of

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Speaker 1: trying to relieve the headache, if you will. The friend

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Speaker 1: that caption, and the beauty contestant says she had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with it, but that thing went around and

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Speaker 1: went viral. Now that's not why the Finnish Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: is apologizing. He's having to do that because some people

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Speaker 1: came to her defense Robes after she lost her title

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Speaker 1: in a huge racism controversy. Correct, some came to her defense,

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Speaker 1: Some leaders came to her defense, and the controversy continues

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Speaker 1: because of how they chose to show their support.

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Speaker 4: Yes, several members of parliament, they've been described as right

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Speaker 3: Let's going far right, far right, okay, far right members

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Speaker 4: I don't have an exact number, but I've seen, and

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Speaker 4: you've seen four different pictures of lawmakers elected officials in

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Speaker 4: the country of Finland decided in solidarity in support of

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Speaker 4: They too posted pictures of themselves on social media, pulling

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Speaker 4: it's insane to see that they felt totally comfortable and

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: They yeah, they didn't get caught doing They intentionally did

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Speaker 1: this to show, what they say, support for her. But

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Speaker 1: how do you show support for her when she's even

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Speaker 1: apologizing for what she's doing as being racist.

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Speaker 4: It's weird because you had Miss Finland say that basically

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Speaker 3: I had nothing to do with this.

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean for it to look like I was

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Speaker 3: My friend did it.

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Speaker 4: But then she did apologize, so at least there's that

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Speaker 1: Yes, her quotes here, one of the most important things

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Speaker 1: I take responsibility for my actions and we'll learn from this. Now, Robes,

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Speaker 1: let's take a couple of things here. You know what

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Speaker 1: you listened to it, I wasn't paying as close of attention.

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Speaker 1: But now we know the controversy. But you went back

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Speaker 1: how why would you why should you be Miss Universe?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 4: So this is in the days leading up, and we

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Speaker 4: watched the Miss Universe pageant actually, and it was it

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Speaker 3: We actually saw it all in Spanish and still oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: enjoyed our school. It was in telemovie who was putting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I watched a pre pageant day interview with

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Speaker 4: her with some of the members of Asian Press. I

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Speaker 4: mean they were in an Asian country. They were in Bangkok. Yes,

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Speaker 4: reporters asking her questions. They were all doing it in English,

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Speaker 4: obviously that was their way to communicate. But she talked

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Speaker 4: found that very oh so a generic but be ironic

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go into her explanation, right, she has, and

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Speaker 1: she fully apologized, and they took the title from her,

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Speaker 1: took the crown. Fine, but we've seen the picture. Is

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Speaker 1: there any way we can buy What she's saying is

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Speaker 1: that I had a headache and I was just gesturing,

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Speaker 1: almost saying her temples. We've all done that before. But

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Speaker 1: given what we saw, do you buy? Should we leave

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Speaker 3: Here's my guess. I'm listening, and this to me makes

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Speaker 4: I think when people lie, or when they're trying to

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Speaker 3: A morsel of truth. So my guess is maybe.

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Speaker 4: At that dinner, they had had a little bit to drink,

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Speaker 4: have had a headache and she might have been doing that,

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Speaker 4: of it. Because she's laughing, so she's she's pulling her

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Speaker 4: She's not touching the temples of her head anymore. She

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Speaker 4: is I am a headache, offfer I know what you

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Speaker 4: do when you have a throbbing headache.

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Speaker 3: You hit the temples. You're not pulling your eyes.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And she has a huge smile on her face. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I am looking at the same photo.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who's listening to us, if you have not looked

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Speaker 4: at these photos, please do so because you will be

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Speaker 4: able to make your own assessment and then make sure

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Speaker 4: you look at the lawmakers who then because those pictures

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Speaker 4: are significantly worse at least one of them.

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Speaker 1: Is what is this here that this part of your

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Speaker 2: That's an eyelid.

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Speaker 3: That's your eyelid.

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Speaker 2: Nobody has a headache and grab your eyelid. She's pulling

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Speaker 3: She's not pushing against her temples.

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Speaker 2: Big smile and she's not pulling.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if you have a headache and you're suffering and

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Speaker 4: you're trying to relieve pain, you're not smiling.

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Speaker 3: So my guess is she.

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Speaker 4: Might have been doing that, and in doing so, her

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Speaker 4: that's why her friend posted it thinking it was funny.

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Speaker 4: That is how I would. So she's saying, oh, I

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Speaker 4: but then obviously it went further and they did.

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Speaker 3: That's not releaving a headache.

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Speaker 2: Pulling your eyelids, that's the part. If she had a headache,

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Speaker 2: I don't give a damn. If she had a migraine,

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Speaker 2: you cannot. This is don't talk to me like I'm stupid.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the picture exactly. Okay, So just own it.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to own it, yes, but don't tell

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Speaker 1: me I don't. Yeah, y'all, just don't get it. I

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Speaker 1: had a headache. Folks, if you see this picture, it's

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, I'm embarrassed for her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no way that that's what that picture depicts. And

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Speaker 4: to then throw your friend under the boss and say,

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Speaker 4: I mean and all of that might be somewhat true.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I think there's always like some morsel

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Speaker 3: What they did.

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Speaker 4: And I do give her credit that at least she

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Speaker 1: And again it rises to a level when you have politicians. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about finished politics, obviously we don't

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Speaker 1: keep up with that, but this is it happening everywhere?

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Speaker 1: Do you have these folks everywhere politicians? Do you have

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Speaker 1: but how it comes off.

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Speaker 2: My supporters don't give a damn.

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Speaker 1: They did this with not being necessarily worried or what's

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Speaker 4: No, it's one thing to if someone asks you about

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Speaker 4: it and you say something you regret, or you react

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Speaker 4: in a way that you didn't have time to prepare for.

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Speaker 4: This was a staged plan thing where they deliberately went

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Speaker 4: So that was a choice, and they had time to

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Speaker 4: think about it, and they yes, did not fear any

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Speaker 3: They feared zero consequences.

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Speaker 1: There could be some consequences, robes. I didn't realize they

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Speaker 1: had such a huge Asian tourism business going over there

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Speaker 1: in Finland. So this is now folks are throwing around

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Speaker 1: the word boycott. Yes, so hey this could cost the country.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it's not a huge country. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure tourism is not overwhelming. But still they would like

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Speaker 1: to keep what they have. So this could have now

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Speaker 1: financial consequences or is this just going to go away.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we learn other than this young lady,

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Speaker 1: she's twenty two years old. Maybe she learned something from this.

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Speaker 4: But the problem is you can't just dismiss this as

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Speaker 3: That's what I think a lot of folks are upset about.

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Speaker 4: This isn't something that's funny or childish or immature.

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Speaker 4: Back then it's sixteen Candles, okay, so and it was

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Speaker 1: Maybe in the eighties, there is zero chance you could

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Speaker 4: Every time he spoke there would be like, you know

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Speaker 3: It was everything stereotypical you could think.

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Speaker 3: But yes, everyone laughed, everyone laughed.

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Speaker 1: But you think about I'm seeing what these politicians are doing.

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Speaker 4: We get it.

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Speaker 4: So then you have other Asian countries who are now saying,

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Speaker 4: There are already businesses saying they've had cancelations.

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Speaker 4: That Asian tour groups are saying, no, thank you, we're

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Speaker 3: And I get that. That makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: You're in a place that you don't feel welcome, right

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Speaker 1: of course, not now because of the controversial excuse me

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Speaker 2: Do you buy this statement here?

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Speaker 1: That I mean the finished Prime Minister had to come

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Speaker 4: I think it's important the Prime Minister had to say something,

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Speaker 3: Does it go far enough? Is the question? He may

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Speaker 4: If if I were from the outside looking in and

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Speaker 1: We're good statement. I mean, it was standard stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: The Finnish government takes racial discrimination seriously and is committed

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Speaker 4: Racism and discrimination have no place in finished society. YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 2: That's fine. You put out what you have to.

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Speaker 1: But folks, there is at least one way I will

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Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back, everybody to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: We prepped, and we were ready and we were gonna

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about Miss Finland. Former Miss Finland now

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Speaker 1: She's apologized, but robes Her reasoning was that she had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you look at the picture, there's no

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Speaker 3: It's terrible. I actually feel sick.

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean, you don't know whether or not because

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Speaker 3: You don't even know.

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Speaker 4: How to like emotionally respond to it. That's how that's

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Speaker 1: It's just over the top and what I cannot believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who you are in society. I can't

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Speaker 2: Yes, I could see.

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Speaker 4: Someone getting drunk and with like a best friend who

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Speaker 4: While you while you're a leader of your country, you

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Speaker 3: But this, actually, we have talked about all of this

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Speaker 4: Amount of racial issues in our country. We get that,

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Speaker 4: But I have you seen anything this blatant and this

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Speaker 2: But there's also a human decency.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine being that mean to an entire group

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Speaker 1: I don't know that guy from a Man on the Moon.

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Speaker 2: This was tired, it was lazy.

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Speaker 4: It's tired and lazy. That I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 4: And look, this is Finland did the right thing, and

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Speaker 1: So we haven't talked about this ahead of time, so

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Speaker 1: I'll throw this out. We haven't discussed, so I don't

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Speaker 2: Does that make any sense? Yes, she's twenty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I am surprised, even shocked sometimes at how

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Speaker 2: Was that right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are right, and it had to do with

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. And I didn't know

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Speaker 3: So, yes, I do think age has something to do

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Speaker 4: I also think that, and I'm not defending the politicians

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Speaker 4: They think they know so much because of social media.

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Speaker 4: They have this false sense of security that they somehow

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Speaker 1: That's hard to accept because they are engaged constantly.

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Speaker 2: At least they feel.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they feel like they have more information than anyone

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Speaker 4: You think you're you're looking at everything and hearing from everyone,

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Speaker 4: but you're actually you're actually the product of an algorithm.

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Speaker 1: And obviously these are incredible tools that have been wonderful

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Speaker 1: and they do. It's wonderful they have more access to information,

448
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Speaker 1: but sometimes we worry about the information they have access

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Speaker 1: too and if they are looking at the stuff they

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Speaker 1: should be looking at. And again, what that is just

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Speaker 1: a diversity sometimes and a diversity of information. Look, if

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Speaker 1: this story can help bring it to somebody else's attention,

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Speaker 1: like oh I didn't know people would offended by that,

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Speaker 1: or oh I didn't know that word was a bad word,

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Speaker 1: than fine. But we have to keep speaking on it,

456
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Speaker 1: not being angry and just talking this out when it comes.

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Speaker 1: But this is one you brought to my attention. And

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Speaker 1: when I first heard it, Miss Finland, I don't care

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Speaker 1: anything about Miss Finland. And then you told me the

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Speaker 1: next detail, and then the next detail like oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then we looked at the pictures and then it

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Speaker 4: was like holy, holy Moly, this is insane.

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Speaker 3: But you know it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at some of the comments on some

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Speaker 4: of the social media posts, and a lot of people

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Speaker 4: are defending it, saying the world's gone mad, no one

467
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Speaker 4: can joke and have fun anymore. I used to make

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Speaker 4: my eyes bigger to mak the round eyed whites. So

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Speaker 4: some of the Asian folks are even saying, hey, we

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Speaker 4: even do this in our own photos.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yes, obviously people, but there are still maybe even younger

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Speaker 4: I don't know who.

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Speaker 1: Say you explain that you do this all the time.

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Speaker 1: You tell me this all the time, And it's exactly

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Speaker 1: right to make some comparison that a minority group or

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Speaker 1: an underserved group is just as racist because they made

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Speaker 1: fun of a white person. It doesn't, It doesn't land

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Speaker 1: We have to accept it's not equal. This is not

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Speaker 1: equal footing we're on. This is an underserved group. And

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Speaker 1: if you're telling me a white person making their eyes

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Speaker 1: more round, excuse me, an Asian person trying to make

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Speaker 1: their eyes more around is racist to white people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a cultural appropriation.

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Speaker 4: If you have eyelid surgery to make your eyes look

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Speaker 4: more Caucasian, you're culturally appropriate.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not the same.

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Speaker 4: You cannot reverse it and the whole idea of reverse racism. Sorry,

489
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Speaker 4: but when you are white, you have privileges, You are

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Speaker 4: on a different you are on a different footing than

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Speaker 4: everyone else.

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Speaker 3: You just are.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, we're gonna historically speaking, we can all just

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Speaker 1: accept that. But some of the I just kind of

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Speaker 1: imagine anybody else you read through any other ways.

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Speaker 2: They defended.

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Speaker 3: Some people.

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Speaker 4: Well, someone said they're finished. I did see that, but

499
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Speaker 4: actually they're not. They're going to be just fine. All

500
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Speaker 4: those politicians are keeping their job, so they're not finished.

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Speaker 4: Someone said, we used to do that all the time

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Speaker 4: when we were kids and where there were no snowflakes

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Speaker 4: in the neighborhood. So okay, ooh she made a Chinese face.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, so what my god? She was just acting silly,

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Speaker 4: and so it's strange many Europeans do not know this

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Speaker 4: gesture is an insult to most Asians. Someone else said,

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Speaker 4: guess you would qualify to work in the Trump cabinet.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, people, people are going.

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Speaker 2: We almost got through an episode without the Trump damn it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: She is not racist for joking and We must be

512
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Speaker 4: able to joke about everything. Life should be fun. Don't

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Speaker 4: be so serious and grumpy all the time. This is

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Speaker 4: from a guy named Peter Jacobson. So with the two

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Speaker 4: s is so clearly he is finish and I can

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Speaker 4: see his picture. He's white, said ridiculous. She is not

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Speaker 4: racist for joking, and we must be able to joke

518
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Speaker 4: about everything. Life should be fun. Don't be so serious

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Speaker 4: and grumpy all the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not calling this young lady racist, but she

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Speaker 1: made a racist gesture exactly. And what she did is

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Speaker 1: pushed racism in what she's doing and made it more

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Speaker 1: mainstream and more Okay, not calling her a racist, but

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Speaker 1: to say this behavior is okay, I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: a difficult time with. And to say this is just joking.

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Speaker 1: We can do this and insult anybody anytime, Well, no

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Speaker 1: you can't, because the people who always get made fun

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Speaker 1: of are what non white?

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Speaker 2: This is what.

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Speaker 1: So, yes, everybody's screaming, hey, take a joke, when you're

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Speaker 1: the one making the goddamn joke exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's easy for It's easy for us to say.

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Speaker 4: It's easy for someone who looks like she does and

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Speaker 4: who operates in the world like she does and doesn't

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Speaker 4: even understand how different that world is.

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Speaker 3: It's a different world than it is.

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Speaker 4: And I just there's a lot of folks who I've

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Speaker 4: been reading, like, especially young folks who are Asian living

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Speaker 4: in Finland, and really this is broken open. Maybe it

540
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Speaker 4: creates a conversation that hasn't been had yet, and maybe that's.

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Speaker 3: A good thing.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, we will leave it at that, and Miss Universe,

543
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Speaker 1: they should just shut this patch down.

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Speaker 3: This is this was an insane year. Everything went wrong,

545
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Speaker 3: like everything, this.

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Speaker 1: Is just a cherry on top. Oh that's been a

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Speaker 1: mess at least, Miss West Mexico one.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that was a.

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Speaker 4: Nice That was actually a really nice full circle moment

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Speaker 4: how it began and how it ended.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, Well, as always, I appreciate you spending

552
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Speaker 1: some time with Oz. Hope your Christmas shopping is going

553
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Speaker 1: well and almost done.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm DJ Holme, the behalf of my dear

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Speaker 2: Amy Robot will talk the alson