Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming in you shirtless,
Speaker 1: severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast.
Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, Chris, you might revisiting a conversation
Speaker 1: we had real quick, not at all. Uh Rich Pounder
Speaker 1: and I were wondering, if you're eating an apple in
Speaker 1: the woods, you like, stop for a moment. Then you
Speaker 1: eat an apple, You finish your apple, why do you
Speaker 1: throw it? Why do you throw the core instead of
Speaker 1: just dropping it? Why do you want it like you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be there. My theory was because, well, I
Speaker 1: think about it, like, I can't do that in my house.
Speaker 1: You have to take it over to the trash. Can
Speaker 1: you take the trash? You gotta open it and delicately
Speaker 1: place it in. But when you're outside you just huck it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels good. But if you were standing where like
Speaker 1: let's say you're eating an apple and you finish it
Speaker 1: and you huck it and where it lands, if you
Speaker 1: had eaten the apple where it landed, you'd huck it
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Yeah, you just huck it away from wherever
Speaker 1: you're at it. I'm gonna stop doing it, though, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start when I finish the apple. I'm sitting that.
Speaker 1: But you tried it and you didn't like it. The
Speaker 1: trash being near you. Yeah, I tried just setting just
Speaker 1: dropping the apple core since I'm not staying there anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just drop the apple core. But no, you're something about
Speaker 1: your body wants to curl. Huck. I want to make
Speaker 1: a throwing motion right now, and I don't. I am
Speaker 1: not even eating an apple. Uh. People like throwing ship
Speaker 1: they do certain kinds of things. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: the core is visually unpleasant. You don't want that sitting next.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we really it might attract insects,
Speaker 1: and that's not why you throw a core. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you're saying you don't know exactly why, but it
Speaker 1: might be like oh in your deep down, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: your deep down that a part Is that a part
Speaker 1: of you? Your deep down? If I told you I
Speaker 1: was gonna grab your deep down like the mammalian brain, yeah,
Speaker 1: like how little kids come pre wired fear snakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're prewired to distribute apple seeds. Yeah, just like
Speaker 1: a bird. Interesting, I'm comfortably moving on. Is that very good?
Speaker 1: Of course? Uh? You know what's funny I'll point out, well,
Speaker 1: god us talking about apple Core hawking was not an
Speaker 1: apple Core damn bananippele m hm. Because you don't want
Speaker 1: to slip, know you just don't. You don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want that thing around you. You want to like clean
Speaker 1: little space. Has anyone writing that you know ever slipped
Speaker 1: on a banana pele? Do we know anyone here who
Speaker 1: has actually done that? You know? I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: we had a good laugh about someone once slipping on
Speaker 1: a banana pel The writer Chris off It once said
Speaker 1: to me he didn't make this up, but talked about
Speaker 1: someone having one ft out the door and one on
Speaker 1: a branana peel or something like that. But now I
Speaker 1: haven't Maybe I like where did that start? Is that
Speaker 1: like a cartoon visualization that has now seeped into like
Speaker 1: all of our But yeah, it's the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that you know from its representation rather than its individual reality. Uh.
Speaker 1: Great story we heard dar night, and I think we
Speaker 1: can all put it together right Uh, And then we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into a couple of listening issues before we
Speaker 1: get down to talk about what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 1: So a mug where you're having dinner with you dar
Speaker 1: at night. D what's his name's hunter? And he kind
Speaker 1: of defies my old thing that if you have a
Speaker 1: kid and you want him to hunt, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll name him a hunter and he'll become a hunter.
Speaker 1: And I've seen that backfire lot, but not on this dude.
Speaker 1: What was this dude's name, Ynni Hunter? Meek him? Need's
Speaker 1: meek him or meet him? He guides for Jay Scott
Speaker 1: and Dark Holburn and he's a lion man. He's a houndsman,
Speaker 1: comes from a long line of houndsman. Comes from a
Speaker 1: long line of famous houndsman who have a long line
Speaker 1: of famous hounds and Utah. I believe they hunt Utah.
Speaker 1: And his father and his uncle and his family does
Speaker 1: a lot of also helps out with a lot of
Speaker 1: research projects involved in lions. He's telling a story about
Speaker 1: his uncle goes up climbs up in a tree to
Speaker 1: tranquilize a mountain lion with a tramp gun and takes
Speaker 1: a poke with the gun and misses. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can say when it's a tranquilizer, but
Speaker 1: he shoots and misses the lion. So rather than you
Speaker 1: now he's gotta reload the tranquilizer gun. So he lowers
Speaker 1: the tranquilizer gun down on a rope to some kind
Speaker 1: of college kid who's helping out on this project. And
Speaker 1: the college kid, he made a big point to point
Speaker 1: out that it was a college kid. Uh, loads reloads
Speaker 1: of tranquilizer gun and ties it through the ties it
Speaker 1: through the trigger mm hmm. The trigger guard ties it
Speaker 1: to the trigger guard, so that once he starts hoisting
Speaker 1: the tranquilizer gun back up. Oh no, yeah, blouch hits
Speaker 1: him with the tranquilizer dart oh man, and he's out.
Speaker 1: His dad this under his dad packed his brother down
Speaker 1: off the on a on a mule tied to a
Speaker 1: mule will pack him down. He was out for sixteen hours. Whoa.
Speaker 1: And they had to keep him up and keep his
Speaker 1: tongue like keeping positions so his tongue wouldn't fall back
Speaker 1: in his head, which is exactly what they do with
Speaker 1: the lion, so they knew what to do. Could have
Speaker 1: very easily killed him. Tranked. Yeah, that'd be a good
Speaker 1: name for that movie. Um wow, this has happened recently. Uh.
Speaker 1: Game warden from Oklahoma gets the chit chatting on a bumble.
Speaker 1: How many guys around. How do you guys used bumble
Speaker 1: or have used bumble? I have Bridge Pounders used bumble? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Okale you've used bumble. Kenny, you've got no business on there?
Speaker 1: Now is that a hunting He's got no business on there?
Speaker 1: And Rick, you use bumble the dating app So game
Speaker 1: Warden is chatting up a woman on a bumble like
Speaker 1: fixing the data, and she mentions having just that she's
Speaker 1: doing good because she just shot a huge buck and
Speaker 1: he gets to ask her some questions about it and
Speaker 1: get suspicious and and doesn't do it as a dating
Speaker 1: as a date, but goes over there to do a
Speaker 1: little investigation. Sure enough, she'd poached a buck buster while
Speaker 1: trying to Roman answer on bumble. That's amazing in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: What's the moral of that story? Don't poach I to
Speaker 1: be don't date Rick? Before the show, I was asking
Speaker 1: real quick, um, like you gotta decide right now? Man,
Speaker 1: do you want like a plug? I really hope you do.
Speaker 1: You do? No, No, But I just I appreciate that
Speaker 1: you are looking out for me our friend here, our
Speaker 1: friend Rick. You're a great a photographer drone pilot we
Speaker 1: just found out also great a photographer drone pilot. Now
Speaker 1: that you don't want to mention that these are these
Speaker 1: are not positives in the world world. No women, if
Speaker 1: you you're like, oh, he's like a nature documentary photographer,
Speaker 1: but that would be appealing to women. Here's the issue, though,
Speaker 1: if you're into essential oils, do not call Rick you
Speaker 1: like multivitamins. Yeah, because here's a weird deal about here's
Speaker 1: a weird deal if you're if one was going to
Speaker 1: date Rick is like you could picture that Rick might
Speaker 1: lure in. He might lure in people who had habits
Speaker 1: that Rick is against because he wants to fix them. Well, like,
Speaker 1: he's very suspicious of vitamins, he's very suspicious of essential oils.
Speaker 1: He's a skeptic. But you could also see that the
Speaker 1: the ladies be lured would be drawn to Rick, who
Speaker 1: might have a crystal in some essential oils. I'm not
Speaker 1: against that. I mean, I'm really not. So those people
Speaker 1: can contact you as well. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't judge. Man, you're not in the market.
Speaker 1: You're not in the market. You're not out of the market.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not out of there. I'm in the market.
Speaker 1: He's here. He's lurking outside of the market. It's the
Speaker 1: good king outside. Yeah, No, lurking lurks not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get a choice, you're trying to
Speaker 1: get women to find a guy who don't use lurking.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's that's he's hovering. No, he's pathetically No.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought this was a hunting. We're getting lurking. Um,
Speaker 1: I hope you're gonna mention the little buck from your house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good story. That's a good story.
Speaker 1: You keep that in mine. So I'm working down. I'm
Speaker 1: working down through my notes. Here a couple of things
Speaker 1: about bucks. Uh did you finish pitching? Rick? Oh? Rick? Uh,
Speaker 1: he's too bashful. How how do they find you? So
Speaker 1: we have a lot of female listeners. Um, they want
Speaker 1: to find you. You know, they're like dying, they're dying
Speaker 1: to date Instagram. I feel like that's the way people
Speaker 1: find each other. Rick Smith Media, Rick Smith media slipping? No,
Speaker 1: not slipping? How did they say it? Slide in on
Speaker 1: Rick's d MS? Oh yea honest, you're pretty much your millennial,
Speaker 1: are you. Yeah, he's right on the edge, right, I
Speaker 1: don't have no idea. Yeah, yeah, that's not millennial, that's
Speaker 1: pretty millennial. Got an email. They contained the saddest line
Speaker 1: of all sad lines. And I've been thinking about this
Speaker 1: for a couple of days now. A woman wrote in
Speaker 1: a letter and her letter contained the line I'm a
Speaker 1: woman and I'm gay, and so it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to find to hunt with which I feel like going
Speaker 1: hunting weather Now sadestly I've ever heard um not an email.
Speaker 1: So she's saying like one compounds the other, which she's land.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm a woman, I'm a woman, and I'm gay.
Speaker 1: For me to find people to hunt with, that is
Speaker 1: a bummer. Guy wrote in we're talking about Santa Claus
Speaker 1: being a grade A hole because, uh, you know, moving
Speaker 1: around captive servants all over the place spreading disease. Guy
Speaker 1: wrote in about that that's not my idea, but he says, man,
Speaker 1: there should be a lot more scrutiny on Santa because
Speaker 1: he's gonna, like, imagine the disease vector that guy's got
Speaker 1: going on with his captive deer going to every house,
Speaker 1: every Christian household in the world, with his herd deer
Speaker 1: spread and lornels. What around. This guy says, if you
Speaker 1: really are in a hack on Santa, think about it
Speaker 1: like this. He says, My understand that deer can't see red.
Speaker 1: So the only way if all the other deer were
Speaker 1: so mean to Rudolph, the only way they would have
Speaker 1: known as if Santa told him that his nose was different.
Speaker 1: I think his nose as biggers like bullying. He sand,
Speaker 1: It's like you guys can't see it because you can't
Speaker 1: see red. You can't see that wavelength to check it out.
Speaker 1: I can see it, and that Randy is way different
Speaker 1: and y'all should be mean. It's very good points an
Speaker 1: interesting observation. Another thing on dear real quick Ryan a
Speaker 1: fear fear. He has something interesting to say. Um talking
Speaker 1: about Antler restrictions. So he says, prior to two thousand two,
Speaker 1: do you know this, Kenyan, I couldn't tell you that
Speaker 1: the numbers are at the top of the head, but
Speaker 1: I'm aware of the general and you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: about do you mind explaining what an Antler restriction is.
Speaker 1: An Antler point restriction would be a regulation put in
Speaker 1: place by a state requiring a certain number of Antler
Speaker 1: points on a deer's antler for you to be able
Speaker 1: to legally shoot it. So in Pennsylvania, I think in
Speaker 1: most parts of the state they put an a p
Speaker 1: R for short. They put an APR in place of
Speaker 1: four points on a side for buck to be legal.
Speaker 1: Oh man, and that was the bantler restriction. He's gotta
Speaker 1: be a Michigan eight. Yeah. And I not from Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: So there might have been a part of the state
Speaker 1: there was a three point on one side part of
Speaker 1: the state with his four point on one side. That
Speaker 1: might be the case. Um, but I believe the Seth
Speaker 1: sickly Seth is uh too sick to even have a
Speaker 1: head point on. But most states through on one side.
Speaker 1: Some of the states four in the one side. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've got an uncle who hunts in the four
Speaker 1: on a side part, which is why I know the story.
Speaker 1: But it was with a stated goal of trying to
Speaker 1: help the more one half year old bucks make it
Speaker 1: to an older age class. Yeah, he he wrote in
Speaker 1: because we're having this conversation where I was saying, I
Speaker 1: don't have any data to support this, but I was saying, man,
Speaker 1: like all the damn bucks when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: we're a year and a half old. I mean virtually
Speaker 1: all of them. You mean all the bucks taken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like everybody he shot box and they were all
Speaker 1: the same spikes, forks, little sixers, right, just little like
Speaker 1: not you know, they're year and a half old bucks.
Speaker 1: It was a real rarity. Like I remember when the
Speaker 1: old man shot a buck that was not It was
Speaker 1: like a giant, you know, in our mind. But he
Speaker 1: was saying, he doesn't he didn't have any statistics off
Speaker 1: the at his fingertips for um Michigan. But he's saying
Speaker 1: prior to two thousand two, when Pennsylvania introduced mandatory and
Speaker 1: the restrictions, they're n of the bucks harvested were one
Speaker 1: and a half years old. So, if you folks aren't
Speaker 1: quick at math, nine out of ten bucks rolling a
Speaker 1: year in a half old. Of that, eighty percent of
Speaker 1: those were killed on the opening day of guns season.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing. I'm gonna let that sink in for
Speaker 1: a minute. Then he goes down to say this. He says,
Speaker 1: in a nutshell, the biggest part of our annual buck harvest,
Speaker 1: you know, we killed all of our blocks basically in
Speaker 1: two days of the season. Of those were one and
Speaker 1: a half years old. At the time, they were about
Speaker 1: one point to one point two million license hunters in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: That trend, he says, with the norm in those days
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, was the first time in
Speaker 1: our nation's hunting history. So we're outside of Pennsylvania now,
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen was the first time in our
Speaker 1: nation's hunting history that we saw that trend change. As
Speaker 1: a nation of hunters, we harvested more three and a
Speaker 1: half year old olds than one and a half year
Speaker 1: old in two thousand fifteen. Does that surprise you, Mark
Speaker 1: Kenyan Wired to Hunt? It doesn't. I've been following that
Speaker 1: trend for for prior deca now, and it's been moving
Speaker 1: that direction more and more. And and I just got
Speaker 1: the data here from this this year, looking back at
Speaker 1: the most recent datas that would have been from the
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen eighteen season would be the most recent data,
Speaker 1: and that shows that still we're at the lowest record
Speaker 1: lowest harvest levels four year and a half old's nationally still,
Speaker 1: So in Pennsylvania you mentioned nine ten bucks kill a
Speaker 1: year and a half old. Now nationally, only thirty of
Speaker 1: bucks harvested a year and a half old. Why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so pretty interesting and thirty four percent we're three year older,
Speaker 1: three and a half older. Somebody tell me what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'll say, what's going on? Rick? People, you should shoot
Speaker 1: a lot of dinkers now they're shooting Biggins. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: but the why I understand the I didn't need a recap.
Speaker 1: I needed someone elsis I needed a recap. I'm really happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about move on. Rick's got a good question,
Speaker 1: But Mark, tell them what happened. Well, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of like a egg and chicken kind of
Speaker 1: thing here. But probably the biggest thing going on here's
Speaker 1: has been change in culture around white tailed deer hunting
Speaker 1: in that a lot of hunters started to to see
Speaker 1: and learn and hear about the benefits of letting young
Speaker 1: deer reach older eight older age classes. And a lot
Speaker 1: of that is to um to the credit of of
Speaker 1: Ryan's employer of the Quality Deer Management Association, who's done
Speaker 1: a pretty cool job of talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: different things that we can do is deer hunters and
Speaker 1: managers to try to, you know, manage for more natural
Speaker 1: balanced deer herd of course, though to Steve's point that
Speaker 1: he makes sometimes, which is true hunters, we get a
Speaker 1: kick out of a big deer too. So a lot
Speaker 1: of people realize that, hey, if I can make decisions
Speaker 1: that help the deer herd and help me see and
Speaker 1: maybe kill some bigger bucks, that's like a fun, beneficial
Speaker 1: thing to do. So a lot more people saw those
Speaker 1: benefits and started passing you younger deer, and they started
Speaker 1: doing things to improve the habitat, did my health, deer
Speaker 1: get bigger, um, and a slew of other things over
Speaker 1: the years that the last ten fifteen years have have
Speaker 1: really changed the landscape when it comes to deer across America. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more older deer and a lot more
Speaker 1: deer that are bigger too. Dude, row it in. You're good,
Speaker 1: Ricky cool? Yeah, I mean is that satisfied? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: can ask some questions please. Well, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't have any idea. But as the deer get older,
Speaker 1: does that change the like what is it? How is
Speaker 1: that affecting the the population area or herds? How does
Speaker 1: it benefit Can we put that off yeah to a
Speaker 1: future episode. Yeah, no, well we're gonna have We're gonna
Speaker 1: focus on that in a future episode. It's okay with you,
Speaker 1: be honest, I'll tell you when it comes out. Alright. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the only way I learned about hunting by listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast. So everyone good, I am. Guy says
Speaker 1: he's got a real beef with me. He says that, um,
Speaker 1: he says, I got kyot cooking all wrong. He says open.
Speaker 1: He's saying that. Uh. He saw me cook Kyle where
Speaker 1: we roasted it with the skin on, and he said
Speaker 1: that's a sure way to ruin any game animal. That
Speaker 1: would make even squirrel taste awful. This is him talking,
Speaker 1: and then he goes on to say I very much
Speaker 1: enjoy kyote meat and prefer to chunk it up and
Speaker 1: fry it dusted and flour It tastes like a mild
Speaker 1: combination of lamb and pork, and it's a great way
Speaker 1: to add variety to the dinner table. I would love
Speaker 1: to see you guys give it another try with the
Speaker 1: care the meat deserves. That's good, that's fine. But I have,
Speaker 1: contrary to this man's opinion, I have had wonderful squirrel
Speaker 1: cooked where you burned the hair off of the squirrel
Speaker 1: and then roast the squirrel with its skin on. In Vietnam,
Speaker 1: I had wonderful, uh kind of weird squirrel possum looking
Speaker 1: marsupio critter that a guy had shot out of a
Speaker 1: tree with a air rifle, that he burned all the
Speaker 1: hair off and then roasted with its skin. If you
Speaker 1: read about the Planes tribes, they would cook domestic dog
Speaker 1: that way, by burning all the hair off and roasting
Speaker 1: in the skin. I've had wild pork, wild pig by
Speaker 1: burning all the hair off and roasting in the skin,
Speaker 1: and that was delectable. As for Kyle being good, how
Speaker 1: many guys have had high out, Yeah, and he've had
Speaker 1: a little nibble nibble last one. We should go kill
Speaker 1: some nooks. I want to try Mandrick's recipe too. Ye,
Speaker 1: we should give it a try. Oh yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: touched one since I ate my last one. A guy
Speaker 1: wrote in he had hunted in Bolivia. He was down
Speaker 1: hunting with some Uh indigenous people in Bolivion. He was
Speaker 1: marveling how they two things. They went out to hunt
Speaker 1: tape here, and they had a sixty engage shell and
Speaker 1: they cut it open and put some kind of on
Speaker 1: their own little They cut it open and took the
Speaker 1: shot out and made their own little slugs somehow and
Speaker 1: put it in there and use it to kill a
Speaker 1: tape here. And he he said that they corded it
Speaker 1: with the skin on, salted it like crazy. But it
Speaker 1: reminded me of think about like this talk about shot
Speaker 1: guns remind me thing. I was with some guys in
Speaker 1: South America that had a sixteen gage shotgun, but they're
Speaker 1: only ammo was twelve gauge shotgun shells. So they were
Speaker 1: going out night hunting and they would take their cut
Speaker 1: open their twelve gage shell and cut open their sixteen back.
Speaker 1: Let me back up. Yeah, they had a sixteen gage
Speaker 1: shotgun and a bunch of spent shells, and they had
Speaker 1: a box of good twelve gage shells. So they laid
Speaker 1: out some leaves like bowl shaped leaves, cut the twelve
Speaker 1: gage shell open, don't the shot into a leaf, pulled
Speaker 1: the wad out, poured the powder out, knocked the primer
Speaker 1: out of the twelve gage shell, put the primer into
Speaker 1: the sixteen gage shell, poured the powder in there, took
Speaker 1: toilet paper and made a wadding and packed the wide down,
Speaker 1: poured the shot and got a candle out and wax
Speaker 1: sealed the things shot and they'd get two or three
Speaker 1: and that was made up, and then it was time
Speaker 1: to go hunting. Wow. Yeah. And one night they go
Speaker 1: out and they come back with a couple of birds
Speaker 1: and they had a a an aquatic road that they'd killed,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have enough, and so they went through
Speaker 1: this whole process and made one more shell and then
Speaker 1: went back out in their boat and a while later
Speaker 1: came back near dun hunting. Wow. Good stuff. That is
Speaker 1: good stuff. Okay, we got it good, don't we? Where
Speaker 1: where you beginning to Molly's Oh we're um. We're just
Speaker 1: finishing up a hunt in Sonora, Mexico. Um, not far
Speaker 1: from you know, ways off, not far from the US border.
Speaker 1: You can see land features across the line in the US.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of an auspicious time to be down
Speaker 1: here hunting, because you know, we're engaged in a great
Speaker 1: national debate about the um ramifications and costs and merits
Speaker 1: of constructing a border wall. So it's been funny to
Speaker 1: be down flirting with the border and seeing the border
Speaker 1: and and and and being down here hunting. It's been
Speaker 1: like more I've come down here a number of times
Speaker 1: over the years to hunt, and it's been more sort
Speaker 1: of I don't know, the geopolitics around my mind now
Speaker 1: more than normal being down in Mexico um Cou's deer.
Speaker 1: But I felt just the same as years passed, the hunting,
Speaker 1: the land well and the the whole travel in the process. No,
Speaker 1: no problem, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting that I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to suggest that it was problematic in anyway.
Speaker 1: You weren't. I was just adding that, yeah, now that
Speaker 1: it was problematic anyway, It was just like an interesting time,
Speaker 1: right absolutely to come down and hunt and Couzier. It's
Speaker 1: Umku's deer also pronounced Cow's deer. A kind of a
Speaker 1: weird dude with a real weird personal history. Elliott Cous'
Speaker 1: is a guy whose name was applied to these deer
Speaker 1: and you're hearing called desert white tails, a little dinky,
Speaker 1: nine hundred pound white tails that live in the mountainous
Speaker 1: desert and the Sky Island mountain chains. Some in New Mexico,
Speaker 1: a great many in Arizona. And then this is kind
Speaker 1: of like the good old days down here in Mexico.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be more couzier down here than in all
Speaker 1: of Arizona when don't you guess? Yeah, in all Sonora,
Speaker 1: lots of cous dear, lots of cuse dear. So came
Speaker 1: down and we were the way. I've never hunted down
Speaker 1: here anyway, but this way, but we've never come down
Speaker 1: not with working with Talk about Jay how I used
Speaker 1: to work for him, my buddy Ja. Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to work for him as a fishing guide. He was
Speaker 1: a client of mine. That's how we met. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that you guys met that way floating down the
Speaker 1: old Eagle Eagle River mm hmm. So you guided him
Speaker 1: fishing and then you started guiding for him. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: right in Arizona, a little bit down here and those
Speaker 1: big famous elk units in Arizona. That's right. Good times,
Speaker 1: And you'd like to add about that, you're being awful.
Speaker 1: Kurt had a lot of fun hanging out. I always
Speaker 1: when I see dark down here, I always think back
Speaker 1: on those times and uh miss him because Darna used
Speaker 1: two got together and I have a lot of good laughs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I don't know what to add about it.
Speaker 1: It was good, um, but yeah, so Jay, I didn't
Speaker 1: have no idea how time flies. But Jay said, this
Speaker 1: is his twenty first year of doing this down here. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jay Scott has glassed up the last time I asked
Speaker 1: him this question, how many mountain lions he's ever glassed up?
Speaker 1: The last time I talked to him, he was at
Speaker 1: thirty two. It's like he spent so much time glassing.
Speaker 1: You know, look a through his binos or spot and
Speaker 1: scopes his number. Now he's glassed up forty three. So
Speaker 1: if you think you spent a lot of time out hunting,
Speaker 1: add up how many mountain lions you've seen through your
Speaker 1: binos and then consider that this man has glassed up
Speaker 1: forty three mountain lions while looking for other jumps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a Western hunters spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the glass. This really wouldn't work for a do
Speaker 1: that sits and tree stands. For a white tail, No,
Speaker 1: you can wait a long time for mountainline to walk by.
Speaker 1: But what Jay does? So Jay guides down. Jay guides
Speaker 1: in Mexico. He guides elsewhere too, But he guides in Mexico,
Speaker 1: and he guides for Gould's turkeys um and guides for
Speaker 1: Cou's deer. But also does give him give him the
Speaker 1: give him the spiel, Ynny, you'll do a better job
Speaker 1: of it. It's a he basically does like a d
Speaker 1: I Y program for guys that want to come down
Speaker 1: to Mexico and hunt Cou's deer, and so he the
Speaker 1: hunt itself is completely d I Y. But he arranges
Speaker 1: the ranch and then it helps with your paperwork for
Speaker 1: crossing your firearms across the border, and then kind of
Speaker 1: gives you, um, just lays out the whole process of
Speaker 1: what it's going to take a cross the border going
Speaker 1: both directions. But he'll basically secure a ranch and secure
Speaker 1: deer tags for that ranch, and then um, you buy
Speaker 1: those through j you know, but the ranch provides them.
Speaker 1: And then he basically uh helps you get your firearm
Speaker 1: permit for Mexico and then gives you like a real
Speaker 1: clean rundown of like this is what you need if
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring a vehicle across the border. You need
Speaker 1: the insurance and a letter that says that you're the
Speaker 1: owner has had to then number this stat and the
Speaker 1: other and then gives you real clear directions and he
Speaker 1: also offers I think, um like what we call fixers
Speaker 1: or like and translators like they can be at the
Speaker 1: border to meet you, to help you through that process
Speaker 1: to get you to your ranch. And once you have
Speaker 1: to ranch, you on your own and it's like you're
Speaker 1: it's like you have you it's like having a chunk
Speaker 1: of national it's not national force because very much privately
Speaker 1: owned land. But it's like it's like when you CROs
Speaker 1: us the border and come down in here, not that
Speaker 1: far man, it's like you've gone back like a hundred
Speaker 1: years back in time, huge ranches. People still work cattle
Speaker 1: on horseback. It's great, mon. I mean, I had a
Speaker 1: very different idea of how this trip was going to
Speaker 1: be when um I got the offer to jump on
Speaker 1: and yeah, this whole situation is really fantastic. And the
Speaker 1: folks um that we've had helping us out here at
Speaker 1: at the Rancho um are great. And it's just kind
Speaker 1: of like it's nice watching uh and being around folks
Speaker 1: who are living simply and um, you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like a bum because they were working, but
Speaker 1: you know, while we're tramping the hills. But it's it's
Speaker 1: is nice. It it's kind of kind of relaxing. Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: caught loose on like caught loose, winding around like a
Speaker 1: giant chunk of property. Yeah, got a bunch of deer
Speaker 1: hiding out in the mountains in it. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just been It's great too, because it's not like
Speaker 1: you're not like walking down to some or not even
Speaker 1: walking in some cases. You're not just like stepping out
Speaker 1: the door and looking at some center pivot that's fully
Speaker 1: irrigated and chuck chuck chucking away and there's deer living
Speaker 1: in there night and day. And um, you know I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind having a spot or two like that. Well,
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't see any of the ranch, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been awesome because, um, you definitely
Speaker 1: got to do some exploring and and checking out new stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's been great. It's been great. It's funny back
Speaker 1: home hunting white tails. When you talk about a property
Speaker 1: you can hunt. You know, if I said I got
Speaker 1: a big property to hunt, I'd be like a hundred
Speaker 1: fifty acres two acres. I would be really excited about that.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about this kind of scale we have
Speaker 1: out here, like you said, it does feel like national forest.
Speaker 1: It's vast, it seems unending almost tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: acres completely undeveloped, like all day never cross the border. Yeah, completely,
Speaker 1: like just like not developed. It's just a different it's
Speaker 1: just different. The way you hunt Cousier. As you get
Speaker 1: up this is the This isn't the way it has
Speaker 1: to happen. But typically you get up on the kind
Speaker 1: of the biggest highest peaks around it you can find,
Speaker 1: and um, and you have to just watch the surrounding
Speaker 1: hillside is very very very carefully extremely hard to pick up.
Speaker 1: The brush is tall and the animal is small. And
Speaker 1: it like, for me, one thing uh that really struck
Speaker 1: me and something that I had to kind of like
Speaker 1: recalibrate my brain over and over again too, is um
Speaker 1: was it when when any animal stands out in the
Speaker 1: wide open, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, there he is,
Speaker 1: and they seem like bigger than life. But when they're
Speaker 1: in that brush, these things are so small that UM.
Speaker 1: Free handing my binoculars at often many times throughout this hunt,
Speaker 1: free handing my binoculars would be frustrating to the point
Speaker 1: where I thought it was pointless, Like I had to
Speaker 1: have them on on the tripod because so many times
Speaker 1: I like looked at a deer and the only reason
Speaker 1: that I caught it was because of the motion of
Speaker 1: the deer. And that could be like the chin moving
Speaker 1: as it's chewing its cut, like little white flashes from
Speaker 1: its chin moving, or just an ear flicker, or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe in a generous way, it'd be like a big
Speaker 1: white tail given a flap um. And so if your
Speaker 1: binoculars were moving at all, you know, at yards um,
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss that little bit of motion. It was
Speaker 1: just amazing at like, I had a hard time giving
Speaker 1: them the credit that they would due as far as
Speaker 1: their ability to disappear. Yeah, go ahead, well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. And then to compound on that, if you
Speaker 1: were to somehow you know, well, if even if you
Speaker 1: had him on tripod, if you bumped them or in
Speaker 1: any way left that singular focus on that little bit
Speaker 1: of movement, you almost never find it again. So if
Speaker 1: you're handheld, you're stuck. Yeah, that's a good point, because
Speaker 1: you look at it like a sea of brushy slopes.
Speaker 1: And oftentimes you'll be sitting there with you with your
Speaker 1: bodies at your hunting with and you'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: got one, and they'll be like where like I can't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I can't tell you, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't want. I can't take my eyes off it to
Speaker 1: get the context, and you can't. You know that the
Speaker 1: minute you move your eye to figure out where it is,
Speaker 1: that your binoculars are centered on it in order to
Speaker 1: explain it that something's gonna happen, You're gonna lose track
Speaker 1: of the deer. It's like the world's best game of
Speaker 1: Where's waldo? Oh. It's fun, but it's like it's they
Speaker 1: just vanish. Then you see him and oftentimes you like
Speaker 1: catch them and you never catch him again. He went
Speaker 1: into that never mind and you never see him again,
Speaker 1: and we're hunt him during the rut. So you and
Speaker 1: you don't even watched two Dear Make Love. That's the
Speaker 1: second time I've seen that happened this year. I was
Speaker 1: commenting on the strong oral component. Yes, said love making
Speaker 1: a lot of beforehand. After Yeah, you k that needs
Speaker 1: to be further defined. I don't want it to find
Speaker 1: we got down family. It's a family program. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: two like there's two things. And you know I've heard
Speaker 1: uh guys like big white tail guys talking to you. Mark,
Speaker 1: You're the kind of the main one I know, um
Speaker 1: talking about bucks being locked down. Yeah, lockdown being that
Speaker 1: that there's a period like in the breeding cycle when
Speaker 1: you can't find any big box because the big box
Speaker 1: are just standing there. Body, don't you're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: They're just hanging out with the dough and man like,
Speaker 1: we saw two kinds of buck activity box that were
Speaker 1: just moving so fast and so much that it was
Speaker 1: like you couldn't go get him if you wanted them,
Speaker 1: because they just come in and out of your life.
Speaker 1: You know, well, there is you kind of where you
Speaker 1: watch him, you losing me, watching me lose me, watch
Speaker 1: me losing in precent his way the hell down the
Speaker 1: hill and he's gone and he's just gone. Or you
Speaker 1: catch a glimpstom and he goes into some giant sea
Speaker 1: of brush and never comes back out and he's gone
Speaker 1: out of your life. But then the ones we got, no,
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's not really true. Yeah, So the
Speaker 1: best opportunities were bocks that were that were so intensely
Speaker 1: focused on a single dough that they would allow We
Speaker 1: watch one today that would go twenty minutes not moving
Speaker 1: his feet and not taking a bite to eat. But
Speaker 1: just stand there for twenty minutes and watch a dough
Speaker 1: feed ten twenty yards away from him, and like all
Speaker 1: that's on his mind is standing there. They like to
Speaker 1: be a little higher standing, and SE's like they like
Speaker 1: to be a little teeny bit higher than the dough
Speaker 1: and just stand there and stare at her. He was
Speaker 1: a very it was very familiar white tailed behavior in
Speaker 1: that regard. That seemed like something that makes sense. You
Speaker 1: saw some number of bucks cruising, which was that first
Speaker 1: behavior you talked about, just moving around trying to find
Speaker 1: that dough. And then when a buck did have a doll,
Speaker 1: sometimes several bucks all trying to be close that doll.
Speaker 1: But typically there's that one that is with a doll
Speaker 1: that's ready to breed. You have that lockdown phenomena. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we all I think saw situations like that.
Speaker 1: Their patients is kind of amazing or whatever. It is
Speaker 1: their focus, especially when you get a look at the
Speaker 1: parasite load on these things. Yeah, they have dozens of
Speaker 1: per I think if you looked at a patch of
Speaker 1: their hide three inches by three inch, twenty or so ticks,
Speaker 1: you look around the bald spot just around their anus,
Speaker 1: the hairless patch around there, crawling with ticks. They have
Speaker 1: nasal bots living in the back of their throat that
Speaker 1: could be the size of like the end of your pinky.
Speaker 1: Their fore legs are perforated with cactus thorns and all that,
Speaker 1: and they can stand there staring at a lady. I
Speaker 1: think we've all been there. I don't. Oh man, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Yeah, focused on the press markets crabs,
Speaker 1: but you know that bucks thinking the exact same thing
Speaker 1: we're thinking when we're looking through the spatting scope for
Speaker 1: the binoculars though, right, He's like, man, if I take
Speaker 1: my eyes off of her, I may never see her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows he's gonna lose her. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: It's kind of become one of my favorite types of hunting.
Speaker 1: Those the hunt COO's dear man. I loved every minute,
Speaker 1: like and never I never had a moment where I
Speaker 1: was like, God, I hope I filled this tag. It
Speaker 1: was always like, well, this goes on another day. I'm
Speaker 1: all right with that. Yeah, what what I think happened
Speaker 1: with the with the buck you got? The first time
Speaker 1: I've ever seen it happen with a couisier I think,
Speaker 1: is uh kind of stumbling into a buck, yes, very much,
Speaker 1: went up to a glass and knob and then found
Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah. And you know what's extremely unique about
Speaker 1: that for me is ah, I can count on one
Speaker 1: hand the amount of times I've filled my tag before
Speaker 1: everybody else in camp has filled their tag, like I
Speaker 1: always mostly by choice, and the last person to fill
Speaker 1: my tag. It's kind of where I feel more comfortable,
Speaker 1: I think, mostly from growing up doing the guiding thing.
Speaker 1: But Steve had purposely walked away without his gun, without
Speaker 1: more binoculars, and and we saw it. But I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't considering myself to be up anyway. Well that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, I mean to me, I was thinking in
Speaker 1: my mind, I was you were up. It helped my
Speaker 1: decision making so so much because you had your your
Speaker 1: toilet tree hit in your hand. I was going over
Speaker 1: to find a rock that I was going to flip
Speaker 1: over and then do some something, then flip that rock
Speaker 1: back over on top of it and come back and
Speaker 1: check on y'all. And I was just it was like
Speaker 1: the perfect the perfect green light for me because I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well this isn't even an argument
Speaker 1: at this point because my inclination would have been like, Steve,
Speaker 1: get your gun. No, I would have said no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I ain't just attest to what an amazing the stealthy
Speaker 1: crew you get to run around with seven en of
Speaker 1: us just waltz right up to two yards and they
Speaker 1: were able to film at all. It's hard to using
Speaker 1: the hand signals all day and being non verbal and
Speaker 1: sneaky like that. You spotted him too, didn't you. It's like,
Speaker 1: as soon I remember, as soon as we got up there,
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, the eagle. Why do I think
Speaker 1: we call him the eagle? Dude? You cannot mess with
Speaker 1: the eagle. Why do you think he gets the work
Speaker 1: here because he's the eagle. It's not because his sass,
Speaker 1: it's not. We don't keep him for his sass? What
Speaker 1: about his What about his shoulders? Yes, the big beefy
Speaker 1: shoulders helps a lot. His lack of verbosity, um right now,
Speaker 1: is not helping him. But the eagle. How many words
Speaker 1: one uses? But um, the eagle is the eagle? Man
Speaker 1: like a very if you said he gave me a
Speaker 1: very verbose explanation, be like a little lots there, yeah,
Speaker 1: lots there, lots there loquacious one that when he does strike,
Speaker 1: he strikes. Now with Mark's buck, Marks buck, we spotted
Speaker 1: up some bucks. So that was a non trad CU's dear.
Speaker 1: That was a non Tradu's deer. That was the first
Speaker 1: time I've seen that happen. It was the first time
Speaker 1: in the my buck last year that way. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: last year last year with John and I John snow
Speaker 1: and I forgot about last year. M hm, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, you weren't. So the ones I've been
Speaker 1: in on, I've never seen a play out where um,
Speaker 1: it's always played out where you see it far off
Speaker 1: and then have to do some things to get over
Speaker 1: and getting to get a crack at it. The ones
Speaker 1: I've been in on, which is a good handful. Um,
Speaker 1: it was the first of my scene where we where
Speaker 1: we actually kind of came on, came upon one Marx
Speaker 1: was more classic cousier situation. YEA spied him from about
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and then you have the work downhill
Speaker 1: and get you know, yards closer. Yeah, first time I
Speaker 1: ever done anything like that, because I think it's telling Yanni.
Speaker 1: I've never muled deer, hunted, never cous deer hunted. I've
Speaker 1: only ever both hunted five percent of the time for
Speaker 1: white tails, occasionally us a shotgun muzzle loader to shoot
Speaker 1: the hundred yard shots max. So this is way outside
Speaker 1: of my ballpark of of experience, and it was all
Speaker 1: the all the hunting this guy's done. That was the
Speaker 1: longest shot he's ever taken. Oh yeah, and the longest
Speaker 1: shot before that was my shot last year on the
Speaker 1: care Boo. So you guys have stretched and prior to
Speaker 1: that it was probably nine yards, so you guysn't really
Speaker 1: stretched me. Um when it comes to firearms. Was just good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we spotted that bucket a thousand yards or
Speaker 1: so and decided that we thought he was a shooter.
Speaker 1: And uh, Yanni and myself and and Seth went tearing
Speaker 1: down the hill and went down the steep canyon at
Speaker 1: about three yards, came up to this little rise at
Speaker 1: the bottomless valley. There's a small kind of knoll, and
Speaker 1: we got to the top of that rise shooting up,
Speaker 1: shooting up, and uh, can I interject real quick? I
Speaker 1: want to point out an important part of who's your hunt.
Speaker 1: When you're watching a cou's doing, you're thinking like you're
Speaker 1: gonna go after it. That's great, you found a buck,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go after it. But the tricky question is
Speaker 1: what we're exactly you're gonna go because it doesn't really work. Generally,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work to get on his slope. You gotta
Speaker 1: find a little perch or something where you can shoot
Speaker 1: over into his area, like some kind of train feature
Speaker 1: where you might plausibly like get there and look into
Speaker 1: his brushy little zone. You can't get on his his
Speaker 1: not that you can't, but typically would not work to
Speaker 1: get on his slope in this bout set up perfectly
Speaker 1: in that way because you had a little perch, had
Speaker 1: a shooting shooting shooting up. Yeah, And the other thing
Speaker 1: that's important to point out. I think that it was
Speaker 1: a thing I learned from this trip was the importance
Speaker 1: of before taking making that stock, you really need some
Speaker 1: reference points locked in as far as where you saw
Speaker 1: that dear last, because you're gonna lose it. You change perspective,
Speaker 1: really flips them's around. So so we remember seeing that
Speaker 1: there's a really thick patch of junipers, especially thick on
Speaker 1: this hillside, and so we remember I remember seeing the
Speaker 1: buck in the dough in that on the the right
Speaker 1: side of that thick patch last. But then it was
Speaker 1: actually Seth who had made the very most important reference
Speaker 1: point was the fact that we had last seen the
Speaker 1: buck and Do next to a tree with a very
Speaker 1: unique white circle on it. So when we ended up
Speaker 1: getting back to that shooting knob, we found the thick
Speaker 1: patch of junipers, and then we could narrow down our
Speaker 1: point of focus even further by looking for that tree
Speaker 1: with the white circle on us. So we really could
Speaker 1: zero it on where they were last, and they were
Speaker 1: very locked down, like we were talking about earlier, they
Speaker 1: hadn't moved very much at all, and we had come
Speaker 1: up with a little We had come up with a
Speaker 1: very rudimentary signaling system using Yanni's Blaze Orange How to
Speaker 1: Go to Do Your Bandana UM available at the mediator
Speaker 1: dot com currently out of stock, I believe, but coming
Speaker 1: back in stock soon. UM a little signaling system where
Speaker 1: if need be, like we agreed that if I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything, that meant nothing had changed into if I
Speaker 1: can interject, I kind of wished that there was another
Speaker 1: say know that we had had, which meant we're not
Speaker 1: trying here. We were getting that from you many times
Speaker 1: when we looked at you, but we were not sure
Speaker 1: if you were just doing that because you didn't see
Speaker 1: us I got bored, or if you were doing it
Speaker 1: because the deer was still doing what was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I got you. So we need some kind of confirmation
Speaker 1: that you actually saw us and realized that we were
Speaker 1: asking for the update. There's no update. Yeah, buck hadn't moved,
Speaker 1: but we need to confirmation. So I'm perched up watching
Speaker 1: the buck from afar and you're coming in. And our
Speaker 1: agreement was if I don't do anything, there's nothing you
Speaker 1: need to know for me. If if not, I was
Speaker 1: going to take a orange bandin and tied to a
Speaker 1: pole and uh point from my perspective what direction the
Speaker 1: deer went on the face of the slope, but never
Speaker 1: needed to do it. So, you know, I look back
Speaker 1: at your handful of times and you were doing anything.
Speaker 1: So the assumption was the deer was still in there,
Speaker 1: just a dead stair on my face, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it was. And came up to the top of that
Speaker 1: first knob, creeped up. Really we crawled to the top
Speaker 1: of that knob, but it was about three yards I
Speaker 1: think at that point, and just could not see anything.
Speaker 1: Just we we We stayed there a good decent bit
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty minutes at least, maybe even more
Speaker 1: glass and glass and glassing, but no movement. Um. So
Speaker 1: finally we could see that there was still more of
Speaker 1: that ridge that was hidden by the furthest edge of
Speaker 1: our glassing knob. There's a slight rise and we just
Speaker 1: couldn't see beneath that, and so we assumed, then, if
Speaker 1: this box is still in there, it's got to be
Speaker 1: beneath the rise. So we had to make a final
Speaker 1: like seventy yard creep, and finally decided to do that.
Speaker 1: We crept in, got right to the kind of highest
Speaker 1: point of that little rise, got down on hands and knees,
Speaker 1: and and that's when I spotted the dough. It stops glass,
Speaker 1: see the dough. Um kind of made a game plan
Speaker 1: for what we're gonna do next. Knew that there must
Speaker 1: be the buck somewhere nearby. And Um, then I spotted
Speaker 1: the buck not too far away in the brush like
Speaker 1: just you know, thick junipers and whatever other junks down there, ok,
Speaker 1: oak um, And I remember, in the first fleeting glance
Speaker 1: of him, I remember thinking it doesn't quite look like
Speaker 1: the buck we saw originally, and they turned to you.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if it's the same buck.
Speaker 1: It looks like at shorter times. But then he moved
Speaker 1: off and crawled further and kind of got in position
Speaker 1: to where I could get a shot in that general
Speaker 1: are So we got positioned looking for them again, looking
Speaker 1: for them again, and then I'm like, hey, I got
Speaker 1: the buck again. I could see this buck standing underneath
Speaker 1: that exact tree we had referenced earlier, the strange white
Speaker 1: circle tree. He was right there underneath that tree again
Speaker 1: in the shade in the tangle. And I just remember saying, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a buck and arrange him two thirty yards so
Speaker 1: within range, and uh, I'm looking at him and he's
Speaker 1: dark handlered, and he's seemed wide ish. I just could
Speaker 1: not see time length, and I'm thinking to myself, God,
Speaker 1: I think this buck had longer times we saw earlier.
Speaker 1: I don't know this bucks in range. Um. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if we looked back. I think Seth was trying
Speaker 1: to get a camera on it, and we asked him, like,
Speaker 1: can you see him? Is he look Is it that buck?
Speaker 1: And he's he's like, I just shoot it. If it
Speaker 1: was me, and everything was kind of lined up. You know,
Speaker 1: it worked out well for the crew with the audience
Speaker 1: seth were there and it was my first cuse deer
Speaker 1: buck and pretty sweet. So I got settled on him,
Speaker 1: and like you know, like you mentioned earlier, that was
Speaker 1: my longest shot ever on a on an animal. So
Speaker 1: I took my time getting really settled in nicely and
Speaker 1: had a bipod on the rifles set in my backpack
Speaker 1: and put a patternneath my right elbow and just slowed
Speaker 1: it down as best as I could. Um took the
Speaker 1: shot well as funny as I was watching the other
Speaker 1: buck through a spot and scope on a pretty narrow well,
Speaker 1: we haven't yet pointed out the fact that this was
Speaker 1: not the original It doesn't matter, which is funny that
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, okay, so go on. Well yeah, so
Speaker 1: the point being that the buck I end up shooting
Speaker 1: was not the original one was not what was not
Speaker 1: the one I was watching to see what it would do.
Speaker 1: But I'm staring at it through a spotting scope, the
Speaker 1: one that we had always been looking at, and I
Speaker 1: hear a shot and all of a sudden, the bark
Speaker 1: runs into my field of view and through my spotting
Speaker 1: scope and within a second falls over dead right in
Speaker 1: front of the buck I've been watching for all that time,
Speaker 1: and that buck seemed to not care about that at all.
Speaker 1: But then she got like, yo, he had kind of
Speaker 1: had an attitude like that bettered him to me. And
Speaker 1: then he went up and over top of the ridge
Speaker 1: and out of our lives. I don't know how we
Speaker 1: never saw that other buck, because you said it was
Speaker 1: so close, right, I can't see anything, man, confusing. We
Speaker 1: talked about when he grunted right beneath us there yet
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff happened, but we couldn't see him.
Speaker 1: But just because he was like the same reason we
Speaker 1: couldn't see the other deer before we moved. I think
Speaker 1: it was just below, yeah, the plane that we could see. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel bad too, man, because I was so badly
Speaker 1: wanted to help out and like look and stuff, but
Speaker 1: I was running a camera and I'm always so torn,
Speaker 1: and I always rather just throw that camera in the ditch,
Speaker 1: just glass and be like there he is, don't you
Speaker 1: shoot whatever, But man, I gotta sit there and try
Speaker 1: to get my coverage. It's tough, man. You did good work. Well.
Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I guess that's Mark's
Speaker 1: hunt might and be included in the episode. We'll see.
Speaker 1: It was the first the first hunt you filmed. No, no,
Speaker 1: how long has it been since you a little bit?
Speaker 1: This fault hunt? Yeah with Mark? Actually was that with you?
Speaker 1: That was you? And I oh yeah yeah, and then uh,
Speaker 1: I do a little bit here and there, and I
Speaker 1: think he did another one. You pick up a camera
Speaker 1: pretty often, but I feel you on the like not
Speaker 1: being able to look and see what's going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I want, I often want to see what's happening,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm just stuck in the lens of my camera,
Speaker 1: like I'm not I don't see where the animal is.
Speaker 1: I don't get to pull out my binoculars. So it's
Speaker 1: all like almost imaginary. Everybody's really excited about something I'm
Speaker 1: not looking at. I'm like looking in the opposite direction, dude.
Speaker 1: But this trip, I was like, normally I'm like super
Speaker 1: super excited to shoot, and I was you had to
Speaker 1: film Yeah, good clarification, m But like normally we'll film
Speaker 1: as every like hunter is getting into getting settled and
Speaker 1: pulling out their binoculars, and I just wanted that part
Speaker 1: to get done so then I could sit down, put
Speaker 1: out my binoculars and start looking around. You spot it
Speaker 1: up a couple of deer, Yeah, I'll get a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a lot yeah more on this trip and Sid
Speaker 1: he still had mama's milk on your lip when we
Speaker 1: picked you up, dude, the first thing talking about that today,
Speaker 1: nice old game spotter. Uh yeah. The buck I got
Speaker 1: was kind of like real standard sort of who's deer situation?
Speaker 1: There was. I think there's a good example in there though,
Speaker 1: because I was thinking about it because um the terrain, Um,
Speaker 1: your buck was locked lockdown when we took off. But
Speaker 1: we did a lot of walking and sneaking and trying
Speaker 1: to get around for for quite a while. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: go way the hell out of your way to try
Speaker 1: to eventually wind up in a spot where you're in
Speaker 1: his zone without him knowing you got into his zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and really didn't shave off, you know. I think
Speaker 1: I arranged him before when we made the decision to go,
Speaker 1: and it was like five hundred and eighty four yards
Speaker 1: and then twenty minutes of hiking around and sneaking, we
Speaker 1: were at five hundred and forty four yards. Like we
Speaker 1: just we did a lot of moving around to try
Speaker 1: to get to a spot where we could close distance.
Speaker 1: And then um and we weren't. We weren't effectively narrowing
Speaker 1: down that yardage. And then once we got in there,
Speaker 1: um it. You know, it was a great stock, great
Speaker 1: hunt because there's always that apprehension of like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this this cannot work out, this cannot work out because
Speaker 1: of the angle. Once we in order to it was
Speaker 1: that yard is down to a comfortable shooting situation. Um
Speaker 1: it made the angle to the buck very difficult, made
Speaker 1: it a very difficult killing situation, even though it was
Speaker 1: within effective range. And this is kind of for a
Speaker 1: lack of a glass of a shooting knob, right, I
Speaker 1: bet you found a shooting nob. Though we had to
Speaker 1: poke and pride to find a knob. They would let
Speaker 1: you look up into his little spot there. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on with there too. At one point you
Speaker 1: guys had KU's deer, have len and a coyote. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Seth were we stuck back and glassed from
Speaker 1: the original distance. And yeah, that that buck the unit
Speaker 1: up shooting was locked down with the doll. Four other
Speaker 1: bucks were kind of circling trying to move in on
Speaker 1: that doll, and it was pretty cool as that year
Speaker 1: buck would run one of those bucks off, run off
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards and then storm right back to the doll,
Speaker 1: make sure she was still there, and then he'd run
Speaker 1: off with the buck run right back. Um, and then
Speaker 1: you have have linings came passing right through, maybe twenty
Speaker 1: yards beneath at one point, right around the same time
Speaker 1: the coyote trolled through in that buck stated right next
Speaker 1: to the dough. They you can see all the deer,
Speaker 1: just their eyes following that coyote the whole path he took,
Speaker 1: and then he left and then it was right back
Speaker 1: to the doll. It's kind of a fun little wildlife
Speaker 1: watching situation I had there while you were talking in
Speaker 1: it's amazing that at least I won't see that footage
Speaker 1: until who knows long time from now. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, that's right, that was cool a
Speaker 1: couple of months now. I always like it's fun to
Speaker 1: have that stuff. Um, people be like, hey, did you
Speaker 1: take in your any photos from your trip? Like I
Speaker 1: took a TV show on my trip, must be nice.
Speaker 1: That was a very fun hunt, though, that was a
Speaker 1: good one. Who wants to be in charge of talk
Speaker 1: about how you make tomorle hold on? Aren't you guys
Speaker 1: say about tell everybody how you got to shoot my
Speaker 1: buck for me too? You go ahead and tell that story.
Speaker 1: You just not like say anything you call go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say things. It's tired. Everybody's I'm looking
Speaker 1: looking a lot of it's just a lot of other
Speaker 1: folks talking um. But no. After Steve shot his buck,
Speaker 1: Steve and Chris walked up the hill to go retrieve it,
Speaker 1: find it, recover it, and uh, callen ire waiting down there,
Speaker 1: and I forget did you just look up and go, oh,
Speaker 1: there's another buck standing out there? It was it was
Speaker 1: just locked in place, but did you see it? There
Speaker 1: was chasing the dough, two bucks chasing that dough. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, and then I another buck like bombed in
Speaker 1: and they eventually chased the dough and right through where
Speaker 1: your buck expired. Steve's buck expired, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, hopefully one of these dear
Speaker 1: isn't Steve's buck that just magically got up and ran away.
Speaker 1: But yeah, then that buck was down there in the
Speaker 1: peripheral view. He just showed up. I don't know. A
Speaker 1: woman in the market spotted him earlier in the same buck. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he standing in there looking down at us and in
Speaker 1: our from what from our point of view, it looks
Speaker 1: like he's thirty yards to the left of Chris and
Speaker 1: Steve and you guys are up there making television. So
Speaker 1: Steve's not talking in a quiet voice. He's doing his thing,
Speaker 1: recovering the animal. And uh, finally you guys get done
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and Steve yelling is yelling down
Speaker 1: on us like, hey, come on up here. You weren't
Speaker 1: what were you yelling on the side of we did
Speaker 1: we got a whoop or something like that? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got our attention. Okay, well a voice from up did
Speaker 1: I have occasion to go? Who not? Typically not time.
Speaker 1: I do remember cal you up. You guys might have
Speaker 1: heard us talking, because when you're like, when we were
Speaker 1: up there, you could we were projecting pretty loud going
Speaker 1: Probably not whoop. I don't remember a whoop, but he
Speaker 1: that might have been me. Actually, hey, it might have
Speaker 1: been me. All of a sudden, you guys, are you
Speaker 1: guys recovered? Recovered? You made a little tide a little
Speaker 1: scene and then and then, and then I remember hearing
Speaker 1: cal being like, hey, can you guys take a couple
Speaker 1: of steps to your left or whatever, to the north
Speaker 1: or whatever? You said, go north? I went south. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go north. We went the robe specified a hundred yards
Speaker 1: and started yelling because you guys didn't have a radio,
Speaker 1: We just started yelling, we have a bucket two some yards.
Speaker 1: You guys are t hundred yards and yards from the
Speaker 1: buck and we're going, hey, can you move a couple
Speaker 1: hundred yards to our right? And you yell back why,
Speaker 1: We're like, well, there's a deer up there. Ya. He's
Speaker 1: gonna shoot him if you guys can walk like way
Speaker 1: to hell off of that slope. So that's so we did.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't, and the bucks stood there through the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Conversation is like, well, boy, it's nice buck,
Speaker 1: it's right there. This would be you know, we only
Speaker 1: have so much time to uh, you know, fill the tag.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if I just yell at those
Speaker 1: guys and he stays there, kind of kind of gotta
Speaker 1: take him, right, Yeah, we figured be worth a try, right.
Speaker 1: We figured since we started yelling, you know, the buck
Speaker 1: would just scatter leave the hill. But it's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine what was what was going on with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that dough was just he knew he was
Speaker 1: the second biggest buck on the slope. It was batter
Speaker 1: up time for him because the first biggest buck was
Speaker 1: out of the equation and those two smaller bucks were
Speaker 1: now chasing that dough. But you and Pounder, we're in
Speaker 1: between him and that dough. And he was like, really,
Speaker 1: he found himself in a very contemplative situation. He did
Speaker 1: not move a muscle. No, no, it isn't really interesting though,
Speaker 1: I've never seen this before. Obviously, since I've never been
Speaker 1: in a situation like this. We were watching someone shooting
Speaker 1: an animal from a DC and bit away, but we
Speaker 1: I was glassing this whole thing, watching it through my
Speaker 1: binose and both with your bucks, Steve and Janice. I
Speaker 1: saw the deer react to the bullet before I heard
Speaker 1: the gunshot go off. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was cool. I was like, oh, what's he doing and
Speaker 1: then boom, yes that yeah, yeah, they're just still over. Well,
Speaker 1: neither of them fell over. Yeah, my shot wasn't quite
Speaker 1: on the mark, missed him just the hair right. I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you. I shouldn't tell what went on in there, man,
Speaker 1: because one shoulder was completely just annihilated to the point
Speaker 1: where I didn't even bother trying to trim me. Well,
Speaker 1: we took the shank, that's how much was good at
Speaker 1: It was still, you know, edible, and there was a
Speaker 1: hole going into the body cavity on the inside of
Speaker 1: that shoulder. But anyways, the thing wasn't quite ready to die.
Speaker 1: So Steve walked over to it and UH had to
Speaker 1: sort of run it down, chasing downhill. Yeah, finally got
Speaker 1: one in its neck, killed it. Dream one's ready to
Speaker 1: talk about Tomores. I like that Gray Fox. Oh that
Speaker 1: was cool. Fox Like, I like asking the boys up
Speaker 1: down here about running the jaguars, which happens. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it does happen. Jay said, we would have probably seen
Speaker 1: the mountain lion that didn't end up happening. I didn't
Speaker 1: see mountainlin I didn't even cut a track. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw one maybe kind of mushed track of a line.
Speaker 1: The impression these guys run these cats like if they
Speaker 1: hear of a cat, one of these uh Vakiras sees
Speaker 1: one sees a track or something that whoever they know
Speaker 1: what dogs is gonna run that thing. They got a
Speaker 1: stuffed one here, kind of I don't know if you
Speaker 1: call that even a stuff one, but very like Bay,
Speaker 1: it's an attempt at tax during we have a lion
Speaker 1: outside there. Um Yeah, to Molly's. So we made so
Speaker 1: today we made venison to Molly's yesterday and today with
Speaker 1: guidance from Carolina. Yes, uh, we took four shoulders for
Speaker 1: chunking neck. And keep in mind accou'sti your buck only ways.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, hun pounds and these things are lean,
Speaker 1: unreal lean gen right now, man, they look like greyhounds
Speaker 1: because they've been rutting for a while. I think they
Speaker 1: must have. I think we're kind of towards the tail
Speaker 1: end of the They got no fat on him. Imagine
Speaker 1: taking a rolling pan and smashing out a chunk of
Speaker 1: Wrigley spearmint and gum and laying it out, smoothing it
Speaker 1: out flat. That piece of gum that is now flat
Speaker 1: after it's been chewed a little bit around. No, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: right out of the rapper and just smashed that thing out.
Speaker 1: That's how much fat my buck hat on it. I
Speaker 1: was amazed, you know, the fat. They get around like
Speaker 1: inside their pelvis like a kidney fat and stuff. A
Speaker 1: couple of little mini globs of fat there, you know,
Speaker 1: in the lower like in the lower digestive like outside
Speaker 1: of the lower digestive digestive track, you'll find like some fat.
Speaker 1: He had some fat there, some fat around his kidneys.
Speaker 1: Nobody fat the one I got, the one we skinned out.
Speaker 1: Were you skinned with me? Yea in between the anus
Speaker 1: and like the end of the tender one right there.
Speaker 1: Get some fat there, but nothing on the top of
Speaker 1: his not lick. And when they're landed, they look like
Speaker 1: it's like it's looks like a greyhound land there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just amazed. Just man. They work hard. They don't eat.
Speaker 1: The bucks don't eat when they're rutting. I was worried
Speaker 1: the beat was gonna taste that good. I was. I was.
Speaker 1: I thought for sure it'd be tougher in hell, like
Speaker 1: a poor condition or something. But oh, go ahead, Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna add. I believe I'm right on this number.
Speaker 1: That white tail deer up in my neck of the woods.
Speaker 1: The number that I heard is that a bucked her
Speaker 1: in the rut up there can lose up to thirty
Speaker 1: of their body weight, no ship who somewhere in there
Speaker 1: give a take. That's amazing. That's like me hunting doll sheet.
Speaker 1: How much you lost? Uh? So we took four full
Speaker 1: front quarters, so four front legs, boned out neck meat.
Speaker 1: What else were throwing there? We'll cook some tongue the
Speaker 1: night before, real crispy little tongue, little crispers. What would
Speaker 1: you call those? I think just cilantro, white onion and
Speaker 1: a bunch of lime in there, like tongue cracklings. That's
Speaker 1: a different meal. But we took uh, four deer quarters
Speaker 1: neck meat, and then Carolina boiled it in a pot
Speaker 1: for six hours until the bones come out of the
Speaker 1: pot just clean. Yeah. She put a couple of heads
Speaker 1: of gar like putter, and we picked all that meat.
Speaker 1: Didn't take long at all, picked all that meat, picked out,
Speaker 1: there's no fat to pick out, barely to speak of,
Speaker 1: picked out the sinew. It wound up with two big
Speaker 1: imagine like a big gass salad bowl. Household big gass
Speaker 1: salad bowl. Two of those full of pick meat. And
Speaker 1: then we had all that picked and then we took
Speaker 1: the boil the corn. It's like boiled corn. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's bloated. It's yeah, yeah, it's it's soaked up a
Speaker 1: bunch of water. That's what they call homony, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: except for this isn't harmony is a part of the kernel.
Speaker 1: The harmony is a part of a kernel, that's right.
Speaker 1: And but so this isn't like a ruptured This hasn't
Speaker 1: been soaking in water long enough to where the kernel
Speaker 1: is split. It's it's just the whole. Just to imagine,
Speaker 1: like a bloated corn kernel ran up through a grinder
Speaker 1: looks like a meat grinder. Like at a passing glance,
Speaker 1: you think you look at a meat grinder, But it's
Speaker 1: these two plates that that mashed together, and the auger
Speaker 1: runs the corn out and you just mash and it
Speaker 1: winds up being like a wet corn meal. Yes, then
Speaker 1: you take all that meat juice that you use for
Speaker 1: boiling down the meat and wetton what that even more,
Speaker 1: put in a tunnel lard, healthy dose, put in salt,
Speaker 1: put in way more chili potter than you'd ever think
Speaker 1: you'd put in there, and blend that batter all up.
Speaker 1: Got a part. Then you take your button eat and
Speaker 1: so you got your pick meat. You take a pot
Speaker 1: and you melt all your lard in the pot and
Speaker 1: put garlic and onion in that pot and cook it
Speaker 1: and then discard the onion, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: Then put all the meat in, put in buck meat, water,
Speaker 1: chili powder, lard, and make chili colorado again, a lot
Speaker 1: of chili powder. So you gotta pot that's got chili colorado.
Speaker 1: And then you gotta pop that's got your mashed up
Speaker 1: corn meal. Then you take corn husks, soaked those in
Speaker 1: warm water so they repliable, and you lay out the
Speaker 1: corn husk, and you take a spoon and put a
Speaker 1: big healthy doll up of the batter the corn meal
Speaker 1: bat around there and spread it all around. Then you
Speaker 1: take the chili colorado and lay it in there like
Speaker 1: you're laying a hot dog on a bun, and you
Speaker 1: roll it up folded, real special, and then you stack
Speaker 1: them into a pot and steam them. Man, those suns
Speaker 1: bitches good. Yeah, that was good. How many do we make? Good?
Speaker 1: A lot? About seventy seventy two Molly's and had left
Speaker 1: over meat? Or do we use all of our meat?
Speaker 1: That's right deep fried up? Jimmy Chong? Did that use
Speaker 1: up all the meat? No? No, really, there's a lot
Speaker 1: still more. Yeah, Caroline has probably taking five to ten
Speaker 1: pounds on them of the chili colorado, just the meat,
Speaker 1: the piston, just the shred of meat. You know. That's
Speaker 1: what's always tough on the tomaw as your ratio of
Speaker 1: the um my ease is it my man to Folks
Speaker 1: call it corn or massa uh to to the meat,
Speaker 1: you know, um, because you always feel like you're stung
Speaker 1: if you get nothing but the but the asa. Um.
Speaker 1: So they don't. They don't use up as much carna
Speaker 1: as you think. Um. But holy yeah. And I went
Speaker 1: round to this evening with several of us. Get yeah,
Speaker 1: when you cross the border back in the US, you
Speaker 1: can you take your meat home. You can take your
Speaker 1: meat home on the bone. You can take it home
Speaker 1: off the bone. What you can't, but you gotta clean that.
Speaker 1: If you want to bring a skull back, you gotta
Speaker 1: bring the skull back clean. You can't bring a skull
Speaker 1: across it's not clean, So you gotta boil it and
Speaker 1: clean it. The meat can go across on the bone.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring our Tamali's across, no problem. The tricky
Speaker 1: part is bringing You can't bring a hide, not that
Speaker 1: you can't remember all talking about all those ticks. If
Speaker 1: you want to travel back in the US and bring
Speaker 1: a cape, like you want to get the deer mounted,
Speaker 1: you need to get it that every single tick on
Speaker 1: that cape is gone, and the customs people will check
Speaker 1: that thing they find a tick, you're back across the border.
Speaker 1: That seems impossible, but I think most of Jay's clients
Speaker 1: a cross with their capes. Just get there and pick
Speaker 1: all them ticks. Yeah haven't haven't picked Give someone twenty
Speaker 1: to pick ticks. You think it's a high percentage. Evacuate
Speaker 1: the cape once that animals been dead for a while.
Speaker 1: Sure that happens a little bit. Yeah, maybe if they
Speaker 1: haven't attached themselves yet. But I think most of the
Speaker 1: ones I saw are so bloated they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: I think a trick is to freeze them for a
Speaker 1: little while, make them real cold, you know, and then
Speaker 1: maybe they come off easier or something. But you've got
Speaker 1: to go through there. Literally what they find tooth comb
Speaker 1: and a pair of tweezers for a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: I've seen a pint and jar full after one okape,
Speaker 1: someone filled a pint jar with ticks. That's cool, uh man,
Speaker 1: I would never I mean, you know, nothing against anyone
Speaker 1: that does. Just personally, I would never mess with that.
Speaker 1: Just bring to school home, set it on a school shelf.
Speaker 1: So what else we have to do ni, because we
Speaker 1: still have to do that tonight. As far as like
Speaker 1: being legal beagle going across the border with they're just
Speaker 1: in paperwork. We get to fill out that says what
Speaker 1: we're bringing across, how much meat? And there is a tag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you put a tag on the andlers. Is that just
Speaker 1: a customs tag or is that like an actual like
Speaker 1: game agency tag. Yeah, it comes from the Mexican government.
Speaker 1: Really okay tag. But then the US guys will check it.
Speaker 1: And when they asked to inspect our meat, let's pull
Speaker 1: out our tamali's. Yeah. Like right, dear boy, be like
Speaker 1: I counted those sens of bit Yeah, that should be
Speaker 1: about it. But I was gonna say, yeah, that Carolina
Speaker 1: man that helped us make these tamales. Uh. That's something
Speaker 1: that Jay set up to you know, That's something I
Speaker 1: think that anybody can get that comes down here and
Speaker 1: doesn't huntle with Jay is you can just request that
Speaker 1: he uh um gets you a cook. So for a
Speaker 1: very affordable price. We ate some like super good authentic
Speaker 1: Mexican food. Not every night. We brought a lot of
Speaker 1: our own food, but I think she cooked her own,
Speaker 1: like recipes. What three nights? What else do we have?
Speaker 1: How many tortosado? We had Italian one night and I
Speaker 1: put a tortilla in it and I brought down I
Speaker 1: brought down um some fish jack and she cooked that
Speaker 1: fish for ut treo trees or trees on eggs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she made it hunt rids of tortillas. So and she
Speaker 1: made a big pot of which was amazing, feel like
Speaker 1: good soup. And what else? We have Chili colorado the
Speaker 1: first night? The trees though, which is really good dinner
Speaker 1: and breakfast Papa yes, which is the same on both
Speaker 1: sides of the border. Yeah, but there's some different. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the fire. She fried him over a
Speaker 1: huge fire outside. Well, okay, the fried potatoes fire fried potatoes.
Speaker 1: But that was great because it really lets us to
Speaker 1: focus on the hunting and the production. Yeah, really was.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was like, why are we getting
Speaker 1: to bed so early? And it was because somebody was
Speaker 1: here getting food ready by the time I got back.
Speaker 1: And you'll be able to you'll be able to watch
Speaker 1: and see we filmed it, and I presumably filmed beautifully. Dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the kind of beautiful process of making to Molly's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to Molly production. It was a nice scene. You could
Speaker 1: do it in a day, but it took to It's
Speaker 1: something it really should be done over two days. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we did it, uh like an outdoor kitchen area
Speaker 1: over wood fire, a lot of it. Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's just I can't wait to put I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a really cool scene. Man, It's gonna be
Speaker 1: really cool scene. Karlyn is awesome, even though she didn't
Speaker 1: say much. She's kind of like a cool like Grandma
Speaker 1: style guide passing on the knowledge of to Molly making,
Speaker 1: which is good laborers. I think he appreciated it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she gave you the unskilled are laughing at us? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, couple. Yeah. I had a long time ago,
Speaker 1: had a bunch of musk ox meat and gave musk
Speaker 1: ox meat to a Guatemalan woman. And our deal that
Speaker 1: we struck was I would get half my musk ox
Speaker 1: meat back into Molly's, which is a good deal because
Speaker 1: you wanted to getting a bigger pile of stuff back
Speaker 1: then you gave like I gave her like I think
Speaker 1: I gave her like twenty pounds of musk ox meat
Speaker 1: and I got ten pounds, which is a ton of
Speaker 1: to Molly's ten pounds meat. And I had wrapped them
Speaker 1: all up and wrapped them all up and put in
Speaker 1: my freezer and I just pull thettle suckers out and
Speaker 1: eat them. They were good, even frozen, even you know, frozen,
Speaker 1: thawed and warmed up, We're wonderful. What's the best way
Speaker 1: to warm it to Molly? Like reheat it to Molly.
Speaker 1: I feel like what I was doing, if I remember,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was sticking them in my oven. Mm. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was micro and him. I think
Speaker 1: I was throwing him in my oven. I wrapped him
Speaker 1: in foil, yeah, or just steam him again? Did we
Speaker 1: steam him? Yeah? That's gonna be yeah, office, I might
Speaker 1: even have to have another one before I go to bed.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll do oh yeah, night. Yeah. All right, Well, Rick,
Speaker 1: what's your um? You know your clothing? Thought? Your concluded?
Speaker 1: All right? You can go back to you can go
Speaker 1: back to luring in ladies. No, No, this is that drone. No,
Speaker 1: is that how much fun we had on the mountain.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a while since I've worked on
Speaker 1: one of these, uh one of the shows. I was
Speaker 1: busy this fall, so I sadly didn't get to go
Speaker 1: on any of the adventures. I missed out on a
Speaker 1: fog nack happily. Um. But the first hunt I filmed
Speaker 1: it was Accous deer Hunt with Remy Warren. That was
Speaker 1: your first foray into film and hunts. Yep, yep, it
Speaker 1: was yeah, like I've never done it, and I thought
Speaker 1: it sounds like it would be a good experience, But
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it would be. It would be
Speaker 1: such a something that I look forward to, you know,
Speaker 1: regard it as lowly No, it's actually I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of in a lot of ways. It's like everything
Speaker 1: that I like about filmmaking distilled into a very pure form.
Speaker 1: Does it does it because because you come out of
Speaker 1: nature documentaries and whatnot? Does it mean those dudes frown
Speaker 1: on you? Does that community frown on you because you
Speaker 1: go out? I don't know, do the savagery I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really check in. You don't you know what?
Speaker 1: They don't care about their opinion on it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I I feel like I'm more a
Speaker 1: part of just a filmmaking or documentary community. And then
Speaker 1: I have a niche, but I jump, I do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. But I feel that it's it's
Speaker 1: just a challenging thing to do to to document these
Speaker 1: hunts in a way that conveys the aesthetic, the narrative,
Speaker 1: everything you guys feel about the hunt. So there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of complicated factors and you just have to hike,
Speaker 1: hike and keep up. So which I enjoy, I mean
Speaker 1: compared to a lot of the jobs I'm on. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're in hotels or you just feel pretty bad
Speaker 1: at the end of every day, Like, yeah, you feel bad.
Speaker 1: And at the end of these days you might feel tired,
Speaker 1: but you feel like, I don't know, if you feel
Speaker 1: like super Yeah, more like you're on vacation than you're
Speaker 1: at work. Dude. The other day, we did sorry, we
Speaker 1: did the we did a hunt, successful hunt, came back,
Speaker 1: did push up, little lunch break club, the Hondo Club.
Speaker 1: Everybody got to a Hondo and then we went back
Speaker 1: out for an evening hunt, hiking all around. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then if yeah, you feel better at the end. I
Speaker 1: mean we're going to tu dear, just the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole deal. I mean, accuse, you're easily one of my
Speaker 1: favorite animals to watch, or at least it's my favorite
Speaker 1: hunt that I've filmed. I just really liked the process
Speaker 1: glass and it's very there's a lot of patients involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I was. I was happy to get to
Speaker 1: come back, and it's this is my third goose deer hunt.
Speaker 1: So we're filming, you know which, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm part of the part of the hunt itself. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. I really I really liked the just visually, Uh,
Speaker 1: this part of Mexico is really beautiful and different than
Speaker 1: I thought. Uh every morning and every evening you get
Speaker 1: just the yeah, great light really now a lot of
Speaker 1: lots and everything spiny, really cool plat, I mean, everything's
Speaker 1: cool about it. Yeah. So we're glad you had fun, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like coming along. Thanks. Thanks, And I mean and Cal.
Speaker 1: You know, I got to hang out with Cal most
Speaker 1: of the time, and he brought him coffee every day,
Speaker 1: so I've always had a warm cup. I mean it
Speaker 1: just treats me. I mean in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a it's the relationship between a cameraman
Speaker 1: and whoever they're filming. It's this interesting dynamic, but especially
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where I really am a
Speaker 1: I'm non hunter, I don't really know what I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not expert. I've you know, I try. I do
Speaker 1: my best. But having Cal being like, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, he's very patient, like explains the process
Speaker 1: or and he does it both on camera to the
Speaker 1: potential viewer but also to me, So I think he um,
Speaker 1: I just really enjoy kind of being able to hang
Speaker 1: out with somebody that it's kind of guiding me through
Speaker 1: the process and hopefully that translates to good TV. Two.
Speaker 1: Uh and you know takes the viewer along for a ride.
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed one around with Cal out there. Actually
Speaker 1: mostly we just sat stared and you spotted some deer,
Speaker 1: very few. I felt bad. I tried hard, but I
Speaker 1: didn't have a tripod for my It was great. It's
Speaker 1: super fun. Yeah, dude, I feel bad too every day
Speaker 1: we're not spotting there here. Yeah, you know, they're there,
Speaker 1: that's what it's not. Yeah, they were there and I'm
Speaker 1: just mitten not seeing them. But I know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is you're not alone. Even after a dozen of
Speaker 1: you guys are good at it, I still feel that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I did like when you guys couldn't amongst one another,
Speaker 1: because it happens to tell us, because we just don't
Speaker 1: spend that much time behind binoculars, or maybe as much time.
Speaker 1: Is when you couldn't find the animal that somebody else sees,
Speaker 1: it gives me. It's not it doesn't give me pleasure,
Speaker 1: but because I often feel that, like somebody else sees something,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just can I don't know where you're looking.
Speaker 1: You could explain very clearly where it should be, and
Speaker 1: you just can't see it. What's what's happening there? A
Speaker 1: lot of times the one that sees it catches the movement, yeah,
Speaker 1: or catches it out in the open, right, and so
Speaker 1: then they got a lock on it, and then it
Speaker 1: moves into a shitty spot yeah, and then other people,
Speaker 1: like the original finder, it gets to the spot where
Speaker 1: the original finder wouldn't be able to find it either
Speaker 1: if they didn't already know it was there, and then
Speaker 1: it gets really frustrating. Yeah, But didn't happen to me,
Speaker 1: But you thought what I'm saying because you want to
Speaker 1: be like, well, okay, but he's kind of behind that
Speaker 1: bush and you look, you'll see his foot sticking out.
Speaker 1: It just something about once you notice something, it becomes
Speaker 1: visually more obvious than But I like seeing that dynamic
Speaker 1: unfold because you guys are all very good at spotting things,
Speaker 1: and so when you get frustrated and not being able
Speaker 1: to But I think you're specifically talking about because I
Speaker 1: feel that way. Talking in Yeah, talking in the whole
Speaker 1: process is just like I regard that as um, this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna sound bold, but I think that uh,
Speaker 1: I regret that as one of my specialties talking people,
Speaker 1: I feel that I'm I I feel that I do
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of trying to talk people into
Speaker 1: where I'm looking. You know why, because I take the time.
Speaker 1: I take the time. I think Cal uh does some
Speaker 1: big leaps. He doesn't walk you through every tree. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then there's that tree, and then if you immediately go,
Speaker 1: then there's that tree. And then if you go six
Speaker 1: o'clock from him, there's that bush. Cal's like, oh and
Speaker 1: over one thing I would do more consistently. Is the
Speaker 1: is your o' clock method? O'clock is the only way
Speaker 1: to play if you don't run, if you're not running,
Speaker 1: center o' clock. To describe what we're talking about, you
Speaker 1: see some they try and tell people where it is.
Speaker 1: So I will I go to like a feature that
Speaker 1: everyone would agree with start with, and it could be anywhere.
Speaker 1: To start with something that everyone could agree with, like
Speaker 1: that big, huge rocky peak and people like got it,
Speaker 1: and then work from there. Okay, it's a good meth
Speaker 1: go towards seven o'clock. From there until you have an
Speaker 1: unfair advantage because you're such a you know, a natural
Speaker 1: teacher and a patient. That does help. It does help,
Speaker 1: no frustration, mark what you got. If you had to
Speaker 1: take the whole like one thing, one thing from the
Speaker 1: whole thing, what would that one thing be that has
Speaker 1: to be my concluder. Yeah, it's kind of like the
Speaker 1: spirit of concluders are you could come out of the
Speaker 1: left field. I don't know what you can talk about,
Speaker 1: Rick whatever, Well, well, my one thing is is kind
Speaker 1: of it's it's kind of two part I guess because
Speaker 1: the one thing that struck me the most about this
Speaker 1: what was so cool was the the taking of something
Speaker 1: that's so familiar to me and that I'm so passionate about,
Speaker 1: white tail deer, so known to me, and then throwing
Speaker 1: that into a situation in a landscape so unknown to me.
Speaker 1: So seeing this this my my my favorite game animal,
Speaker 1: without of doubt, white tail deer here in place that's
Speaker 1: so foreign, um and new. Was was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Everything was new about this, not just the place, but
Speaker 1: also as we talked about, you know, this type of hunt. Um,
Speaker 1: So that was really really fun, really interesting. Um. But
Speaker 1: what it did leave me with was a desire to
Speaker 1: go back to a little bit of the familiar, which
Speaker 1: was I wanted to be closer to these animals. Like
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about hunting white tails
Speaker 1: back home is being yards from them and hearing them
Speaker 1: and being afraid to move or make the slightest sound,
Speaker 1: different things like that. So coming out of this, I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing I'm taking away is is how
Speaker 1: awesome it was and how I want to try to
Speaker 1: bow hunt one of these suckers someday People do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just feel like an entirely different approach. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be so different, so difficult, but like this kind
Speaker 1: of leaves me charged with wanting to try that someday
Speaker 1: because it would just be neat to try to figure
Speaker 1: out some way to slip in really close to one.
Speaker 1: I think you'd want to get into a situation where
Speaker 1: you had a buck, you had like a like a
Speaker 1: some of that running activity where you got a doll
Speaker 1: and there's bucks chasing around, and just get down on
Speaker 1: that zone and see what happens. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, certainly the wind getting that
Speaker 1: zone and then just kind of try to just wait
Speaker 1: and see what opportunities or if he moves. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time having no idea where they
Speaker 1: were because you're on their slope with them. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you might hear something, but it would be tricky. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know people do it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like you know, the other day, after I shot
Speaker 1: my buck, you came up and we had seen this
Speaker 1: other deer, and then all of a sudden we heard
Speaker 1: the deer grunting and he came right by us. I mean,
Speaker 1: he must have been within yards probably, but you can
Speaker 1: never see him. He was downslope enough and that the
Speaker 1: brush was tall enough and he was small enough probably
Speaker 1: that right there, probably within bow range, no idea that
Speaker 1: where it was. Yeah, I had a bucket ten yards.
Speaker 1: We had to be jumping over a road going. He
Speaker 1: had a dainty, little bad it's a little little guy grunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so cool. And I just really appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: having me along. I mean, this is like a once
Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity probably for for me or a
Speaker 1: lot of people. And man, I enjoyed its man something
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, hand has my kids call him Cahan,
Speaker 1: Hey Cahan. Yeah, just a phenomenal trip, I guess. Observations
Speaker 1: just the um, the scale, like the grass isn't abnormally tall,
Speaker 1: the the deer just short, like it's knee high grass. Um.
Speaker 1: And I had I definitely had a hard time like
Speaker 1: making my brain put these these deer at the proper
Speaker 1: scale over and over again. Um. And they're gorgeous creators. Um.
Speaker 1: Really really had a good time. Really enjoyed the terrain,
Speaker 1: real ankle breaking hills out here though, like all that
Speaker 1: loose rock round rolling loose rock. Um U. I gotta
Speaker 1: see a coati which was pretty hilarious. And that that
Speaker 1: was a good Rick Smith we were hiking up the
Speaker 1: road and he's like, oh, you know, I think this,
Speaker 1: uh this poop here's a from a quality. Well, so
Speaker 1: there's a couple that different ways to pronounce it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hash it out, go ahead anyway, It's
Speaker 1: like a souped up raccoon monkey exactly, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: And uh. I was like, oh yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw one of those down on the yuk tan on
Speaker 1: on the side of the road one time. You see
Speaker 1: them out. They come out at night digging, like looking
Speaker 1: around beach or shellfish and really cool. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: later on that day, we're sitting on this ridge, um
Speaker 1: getting out smarted by these cus deer bucks and I
Speaker 1: stand up and look and uh, Rick was, you know,
Speaker 1: always a tent of like Rick always was. So he
Speaker 1: was locked in those binoculars down on the ground and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like Rick, you're and
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember the name, so I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: Mexican bush monkey, Rick, get up. Um. So that was
Speaker 1: super fun. It's just a great trip on all of it,
Speaker 1: just odd observations. At this point, I'm getting kind of tired.
Speaker 1: But the meat was fantastic. People were fantastic. I love
Speaker 1: the the the pace of life. And and uh, Beto
Speaker 1: and Carolina down here, we're huge parts of the trip.
Speaker 1: Carolina um and uh yeah, stellar crew. You know, one
Speaker 1: thing that I always love about running around the woods
Speaker 1: with photographer types is the fact they they like to notice.
Speaker 1: It's their job to notice. Also, like all the all
Speaker 1: the good extra stuff. You know, it's not just the deer,
Speaker 1: it's the sunrises, the sunsets, the big thorns, the um,
Speaker 1: the bonus critters um and uh, that's really enjoyable, rich powder,
Speaker 1: Viva Mexico. Bro, that's all I gotta say. Loving it,
Speaker 1: loving it. Sunsets, I mean it's fine, man. Yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: like filming that sunset, dude. Sunsets down here. We're big
Speaker 1: throbbing drowner dude. Spiritual awakenings in those things. Man, they're crazy.
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's really cool down here. Johnny's I think
Speaker 1: that's what they called you at the border. Johnny's something
Speaker 1: like that. No, actually, I think that the guy at
Speaker 1: the ID wanna we got our tourists visa. I think
Speaker 1: he actually pronounced it properly. No, man, I was standing
Speaker 1: there waiting for him to pronounce it. Because I was
Speaker 1: excited about what would happen, he said. Johnny's mhm, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought you did a better job than normal. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love cus here. What I like about it when
Speaker 1: I always leave, I like the fact that I still
Speaker 1: feel like a real beginner at this thing and um
Speaker 1: hunting them and uh it's great to have a a
Speaker 1: quarry out there that I'm unfamiliar with, and that every
Speaker 1: time I come down for a hunt of like, I
Speaker 1: feel really uh like like the odds are against me.
Speaker 1: We see a lot of little box I think if
Speaker 1: you just didn't care, you know, what kind of buck
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot, then I wouldn't feel that way because
Speaker 1: you probably could get that done in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: But if you set out to shoot something that's you
Speaker 1: know whatever, a little bit bigger than average, older than average,
Speaker 1: however you want to put it, it's uh, it's a
Speaker 1: real challenge and it's um not easy to do. And
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah. I like that, like being uh
Speaker 1: just to be just a beginner. It is the kind
Speaker 1: of thing where you're you're thinking, like, oh man, next year,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because it since you never feel like you
Speaker 1: gotta totally figured out. Yeah, I think we stayed down
Speaker 1: here for two more weeks and guided you know, four
Speaker 1: guys piece. That would add up pretty quick. Yeah, week
Speaker 1: at a time here and there, and yeah, don't great,
Speaker 1: it's instantly addicting. My favorite part of the trip was
Speaker 1: honestly making the watching the tomall He's get made. That
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you'd counter
Speaker 1: people in life, um that you're just not that that
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really know what their trip is, right,
Speaker 1: and they don't understand, like you don't really understand the
Speaker 1: details of their life, and you don't and you don't
Speaker 1: understand the details of their life, and you're probably not
Speaker 1: even equipped to understand the details of one another's lives.
Speaker 1: And then the language barrier makes it even that that
Speaker 1: you're especially not gonna understand the details of each other's lives. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was like an empathy there, like like a
Speaker 1: human empathy or desire to connect. And it's just cool
Speaker 1: to be able to spend a bunch of time with
Speaker 1: someone and like learn some food preparation like that, and
Speaker 1: and it winds up being that you get you just
Speaker 1: get the sense that like people are enjoying themselves and
Speaker 1: and feeling not entirely different, you know. And and that's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing, like, you know, to be in
Speaker 1: a situation where you've it's a strange relationship to have
Speaker 1: with someone, um, to make someone that you don't know
Speaker 1: and you you're you're down filming and so you hire
Speaker 1: someone to do some cooking for you, um, and you
Speaker 1: can't talk really that that that well, it's just an
Speaker 1: unusual relationship, right, It's like it's a relationship that that
Speaker 1: tends to make me like that kind of relationship makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortableoks. I feel like there's somehow like an unequal
Speaker 1: footing in some way. Um. But then to be able
Speaker 1: to hang out today doing that and watch someone do
Speaker 1: something and and and uh like do it well and
Speaker 1: do it very beautifully. I thought it was cool. It
Speaker 1: was a nice I mean, I love the hunting. You know,
Speaker 1: the hunting is great. Um, you know, come back many
Speaker 1: times to do it. We're already talking about come back
Speaker 1: next year. But like those little connection points I think
Speaker 1: are pretty cool. It would have been a completely different
Speaker 1: trip without that, yeah, just would have been and kind
Speaker 1: of her relationship to you know, attitude about dear meat.
Speaker 1: It's a coveted thing. Yeah, you know it was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was fun to watch. Man. Then just like the
Speaker 1: no measuring cups, just everything by just eye of ball,
Speaker 1: just like haven't done it and done it and done
Speaker 1: it and done it and done it and then um,
Speaker 1: a pair of hands that have seen a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of work, not specialized work work. Yeah, like work work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: m hands like that don't just happen. No. I like
Speaker 1: looking at all the guys, everybody's hands, they're all worth
Speaker 1: like a lot of time. Yeah, it's good man. It
Speaker 1: sets your head right. Some trips kind of set your
Speaker 1: head right. You know, it's fun, all right, thanks for listening.