WEBVTT - Ep. 153: Viva Mexico, Bro 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.720 This is me eat your podcast coming in you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.600 severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:25.720 You can't predict anything, Chris, you might revisiting a conversation 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:30.160 we had real quick, not at all. Uh Rich Pounder 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.760 and I were wondering, if you're eating an apple in 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.680 the woods, you like, stop for a moment. Then you 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:42.920 eat an apple, You finish your apple, why do you 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.800 throw it? Why do you throw the core instead of 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.680 just dropping it? Why do you want it like you're 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:57.840 not gonna be there. My theory was because, well, I 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.360 think about it, like, I can't do that in my house. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.240 You have to take it over to the trash. Can 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.160 you take the trash? You gotta open it and delicately 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.360 place it in. But when you're outside you just huck it. Yeah, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.360 it feels good. But if you were standing where like 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.240 let's say you're eating an apple and you finish it 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.720 and you huck it and where it lands, if you 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.720 had eaten the apple where it landed, you'd huck it 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:28.240 somewhere else. Yeah, you just huck it away from wherever 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.520 you're at it. I'm gonna stop doing it, though, I'm 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.400 gonna start when I finish the apple. I'm sitting that. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.800 But you tried it and you didn't like it. The 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.479 trash being near you. Yeah, I tried just setting just 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.400 dropping the apple core since I'm not staying there anyway. Yeah, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.479 just drop the apple core. But no, you're something about 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:52.720 your body wants to curl. Huck. I want to make 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.480 a throwing motion right now, and I don't. I am 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.160 not even eating an apple. Uh. People like throwing ship 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.360 they do certain kinds of things. Yeah, I think it's 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.240 the core is visually unpleasant. You don't want that sitting next. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.799 I think that's why we really it might attract insects, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.760 and that's not why you throw a core. Well, I 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.680 mean you're saying you don't know exactly why, but it 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.720 might be like oh in your deep down, Yeah, in 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.040 your deep down that a part Is that a part 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.320 of you? Your deep down? If I told you I 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:29.440 was gonna grab your deep down like the mammalian brain, yeah, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.280 like how little kids come pre wired fear snakes. Yeah, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.920 and we're prewired to distribute apple seeds. Yeah, just like 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:45.440 a bird. Interesting, I'm comfortably moving on. Is that very good? 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.960 Of course? Uh? You know what's funny I'll point out, well, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.800 god us talking about apple Core hawking was not an 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:59.079 apple Core damn bananippele m hm. Because you don't want 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.640 to slip, know you just don't. You don't. I don't 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.960 want that thing around you. You want to like clean 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.519 little space. Has anyone writing that you know ever slipped 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.560 on a banana pele? Do we know anyone here who 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.480 has actually done that? You know? I feel like maybe 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.840 we had a good laugh about someone once slipping on 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.640 a banana pel The writer Chris off It once said 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.480 to me he didn't make this up, but talked about 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.280 someone having one ft out the door and one on 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.880 a branana peel or something like that. But now I 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.840 haven't Maybe I like where did that start? Is that 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.120 like a cartoon visualization that has now seeped into like 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.120 all of our But yeah, it's the kind of thing 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:46.520 that you know from its representation rather than its individual reality. Uh. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.240 Great story we heard dar night, and I think we 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:54.920 can all put it together right Uh, And then we're 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.720 gonna get into a couple of listening issues before we 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.240 get down to talk about what we're here to talk about. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.760 So a mug where you're having dinner with you dar 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.680 at night. D what's his name's hunter? And he kind 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.720 of defies my old thing that if you have a 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.160 kid and you want him to hunt, you're like, oh, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.840 I'll name him a hunter and he'll become a hunter. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.560 And I've seen that backfire lot, but not on this dude. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.160 What was this dude's name, Ynni Hunter? Meek him? Need's 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.640 meek him or meet him? He guides for Jay Scott 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:26.680 and Dark Holburn and he's a lion man. He's a houndsman, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.760 comes from a long line of houndsman. Comes from a 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.880 long line of famous houndsman who have a long line 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:39.800 of famous hounds and Utah. I believe they hunt Utah. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:44.200 And his father and his uncle and his family does 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.800 a lot of also helps out with a lot of 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.560 research projects involved in lions. He's telling a story about 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.520 his uncle goes up climbs up in a tree to 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.320 tranquilize a mountain lion with a tramp gun and takes 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:04.520 a poke with the gun and misses. So I don't 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.880 know if you can say when it's a tranquilizer, but 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.920 he shoots and misses the lion. So rather than you 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.839 now he's gotta reload the tranquilizer gun. So he lowers 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.039 the tranquilizer gun down on a rope to some kind 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.719 of college kid who's helping out on this project. And 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.800 the college kid, he made a big point to point 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.480 out that it was a college kid. Uh, loads reloads 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.880 of tranquilizer gun and ties it through the ties it 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:40.039 through the trigger mm hmm. The trigger guard ties it 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.880 to the trigger guard, so that once he starts hoisting 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:51.919 the tranquilizer gun back up. Oh no, yeah, blouch hits 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.040 him with the tranquilizer dart oh man, and he's out. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.159 His dad this under his dad packed his brother down 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.320 off the on a on a mule tied to a 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.320 mule will pack him down. He was out for sixteen hours. Whoa. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.200 And they had to keep him up and keep his 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.880 tongue like keeping positions so his tongue wouldn't fall back 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.080 in his head, which is exactly what they do with 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.160 the lion, so they knew what to do. Could have 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:30.560 very easily killed him. Tranked. Yeah, that'd be a good 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:38.719 name for that movie. Um wow, this has happened recently. Uh. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.919 Game warden from Oklahoma gets the chit chatting on a bumble. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.280 How many guys around. How do you guys used bumble 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:52.080 or have used bumble? I have Bridge Pounders used bumble? Yeah, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.560 Okale you've used bumble. Kenny, you've got no business on there? 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.800 Now is that a hunting He's got no business on there? 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.800 And Rick, you use bumble the dating app So game 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.120 Warden is chatting up a woman on a bumble like 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.200 fixing the data, and she mentions having just that she's 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.560 doing good because she just shot a huge buck and 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.480 he gets to ask her some questions about it and 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.760 get suspicious and and doesn't do it as a dating 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.760 as a date, but goes over there to do a 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:29.240 little investigation. Sure enough, she'd poached a buck buster while 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:35.720 trying to Roman answer on bumble. That's amazing in Oklahoma. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:41.960 What's the moral of that story? Don't poach I to 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.000 be don't date Rick? Before the show, I was asking 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.720 real quick, um, like you gotta decide right now? Man, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.000 do you want like a plug? I really hope you do. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.120 You do? No, No, But I just I appreciate that 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.400 you are looking out for me our friend here, our 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.160 friend Rick. You're a great a photographer drone pilot we 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.120 just found out also great a photographer drone pilot. Now 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.160 that you don't want to mention that these are these 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:16.160 are not positives in the world world. No women, if 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.160 you you're like, oh, he's like a nature documentary photographer, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.520 but that would be appealing to women. Here's the issue, though, 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.040 if you're into essential oils, do not call Rick you 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.520 like multivitamins. Yeah, because here's a weird deal about here's 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.719 a weird deal if you're if one was going to 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.240 date Rick is like you could picture that Rick might 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.880 lure in. He might lure in people who had habits 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.840 that Rick is against because he wants to fix them. Well, like, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.560 he's very suspicious of vitamins, he's very suspicious of essential oils. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.640 He's a skeptic. But you could also see that the 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.719 the ladies be lured would be drawn to Rick, who 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.640 might have a crystal in some essential oils. I'm not 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.160 against that. I mean, I'm really not. So those people 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.760 can contact you as well. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.760 I don't. I don't judge. Man, you're not in the market. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.920 You're not in the market. You're not out of the market. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.360 I'm definitely not out of there. I'm in the market. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.400 He's here. He's lurking outside of the market. It's the 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.800 good king outside. Yeah, No, lurking lurks not good. Yeah, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.959 when you're trying to get a choice, you're trying to 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.600 get women to find a guy who don't use lurking. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:42.079 That's right, that's that's he's hovering. No, he's pathetically No. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:48.440 I thought I thought this was a hunting. We're getting lurking. Um, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.240 I hope you're gonna mention the little buck from your house. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.360 Oh yeah, that's a good story. That's a good story. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.280 You keep that in mine. So I'm working down. I'm 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.520 working down through my notes. Here a couple of things 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.480 about bucks. Uh did you finish pitching? Rick? Oh? Rick? Uh, 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.760 he's too bashful. How how do they find you? So 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.240 we have a lot of female listeners. Um, they want 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.840 to find you. You know, they're like dying, they're dying 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.760 to date Instagram. I feel like that's the way people 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:24.079 find each other. Rick Smith Media, Rick Smith media slipping? No, 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.920 not slipping? How did they say it? Slide in on 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:32.760 Rick's d MS? Oh yea honest, you're pretty much your millennial, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.800 are you. Yeah, he's right on the edge, right, I 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:43.560 don't have no idea. Yeah, yeah, that's not millennial, that's 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.880 pretty millennial. Got an email. They contained the saddest line 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.000 of all sad lines. And I've been thinking about this 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.199 for a couple of days now. A woman wrote in 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.400 a letter and her letter contained the line I'm a 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.040 woman and I'm gay, and so it's hard for me 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.760 to find to hunt with which I feel like going 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:10.080 hunting weather Now sadestly I've ever heard um not an email. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.960 So she's saying like one compounds the other, which she's land. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.320 She's like, I'm a woman, I'm a woman, and I'm gay. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.920 For me to find people to hunt with, that is 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.880 a bummer. Guy wrote in we're talking about Santa Claus 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:34.000 being a grade A hole because, uh, you know, moving 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:40.840 around captive servants all over the place spreading disease. Guy 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.600 wrote in about that that's not my idea, but he says, man, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.680 there should be a lot more scrutiny on Santa because 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.480 he's gonna, like, imagine the disease vector that guy's got 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.520 going on with his captive deer going to every house, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.320 every Christian household in the world, with his herd deer 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.679 spread and lornels. What around. This guy says, if you 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.040 really are in a hack on Santa, think about it 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:08.000 like this. He says, My understand that deer can't see red. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.360 So the only way if all the other deer were 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.839 so mean to Rudolph, the only way they would have 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.440 known as if Santa told him that his nose was different. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:30.000 I think his nose as biggers like bullying. He sand, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.720 It's like you guys can't see it because you can't 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.000 see red. You can't see that wavelength to check it out. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.560 I can see it, and that Randy is way different 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.440 and y'all should be mean. It's very good points an 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.640 interesting observation. Another thing on dear real quick Ryan a 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:51.080 fear fear. He has something interesting to say. Um talking 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.520 about Antler restrictions. So he says, prior to two thousand two, 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.559 do you know this, Kenyan, I couldn't tell you that 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:58.880 the numbers are at the top of the head, but 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.599 I'm aware of the general and you're gonna tell me 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.599 about do you mind explaining what an Antler restriction is. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.719 An Antler point restriction would be a regulation put in 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.160 place by a state requiring a certain number of Antler 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.520 points on a deer's antler for you to be able 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.559 to legally shoot it. So in Pennsylvania, I think in 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.240 most parts of the state they put an a p 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.480 R for short. They put an APR in place of 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.800 four points on a side for buck to be legal. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.560 Oh man, and that was the bantler restriction. He's gotta 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.960 be a Michigan eight. Yeah. And I not from Pennsylvania, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.199 So there might have been a part of the state 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:36.640 there was a three point on one side part of 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.719 the state with his four point on one side. That 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.520 might be the case. Um, but I believe the Seth 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.319 sickly Seth is uh too sick to even have a 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.320 head point on. But most states through on one side. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.240 Some of the states four in the one side. Okay, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.320 So I've got an uncle who hunts in the four 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.480 on a side part, which is why I know the story. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.920 But it was with a stated goal of trying to 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.880 help the more one half year old bucks make it 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.760 to an older age class. Yeah, he he wrote in 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.839 because we're having this conversation where I was saying, I 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.679 don't have any data to support this, but I was saying, man, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.360 like all the damn bucks when I was a kid, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.280 we're a year and a half old. I mean virtually 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.360 all of them. You mean all the bucks taken. Yeah, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.839 it's like everybody he shot box and they were all 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.880 the same spikes, forks, little sixers, right, just little like 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.600 not you know, they're year and a half old bucks. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.720 It was a real rarity. Like I remember when the 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.480 old man shot a buck that was not It was 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.840 like a giant, you know, in our mind. But he 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.680 was saying, he doesn't he didn't have any statistics off 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:41.640 the at his fingertips for um Michigan. But he's saying 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.480 prior to two thousand two, when Pennsylvania introduced mandatory and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:51.560 the restrictions, they're n of the bucks harvested were one 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.560 and a half years old. So, if you folks aren't 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.680 quick at math, nine out of ten bucks rolling a 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:05.440 year in a half old. Of that, eighty percent of 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.080 those were killed on the opening day of guns season. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:18.760 That's pretty amazing. I'm gonna let that sink in for 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.120 a minute. Then he goes down to say this. He says, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.640 in a nutshell, the biggest part of our annual buck harvest, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.160 you know, we killed all of our blocks basically in 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.400 two days of the season. Of those were one and 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.920 a half years old. At the time, they were about 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.160 one point to one point two million license hunters in Pennsylvania. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.600 That trend, he says, with the norm in those days 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.800 in two thousand and fifteen, was the first time in 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.880 our nation's hunting history. So we're outside of Pennsylvania now, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.120 two thousand and fifteen was the first time in our 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.560 nation's hunting history that we saw that trend change. As 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.280 a nation of hunters, we harvested more three and a 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.400 half year old olds than one and a half year 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.320 old in two thousand fifteen. Does that surprise you, Mark 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.320 Kenyan Wired to Hunt? It doesn't. I've been following that 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.680 trend for for prior deca now, and it's been moving 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.080 that direction more and more. And and I just got 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.600 the data here from this this year, looking back at 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.600 the most recent datas that would have been from the 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.640 two thousand seventeen eighteen season would be the most recent data, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.080 and that shows that still we're at the lowest record 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.120 lowest harvest levels four year and a half old's nationally still, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.880 So in Pennsylvania you mentioned nine ten bucks kill a 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.640 year and a half old. Now nationally, only thirty of 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.640 bucks harvested a year and a half old. Why, Yeah, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.200 so pretty interesting and thirty four percent we're three year older, 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.840 three and a half older. Somebody tell me what's going on. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.520 I'll say, what's going on? Rick? People, you should shoot 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.680 a lot of dinkers now they're shooting Biggins. Yeah. But 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:03.560 but the why I understand the I didn't need a recap. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:10.520 I needed someone elsis I needed a recap. I'm really happy. Yeah, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.160 I don't know about move on. Rick's got a good question, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:19.440 But Mark, tell them what happened. Well, yeah, there's a 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.440 little bit of like a egg and chicken kind of 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.560 thing here. But probably the biggest thing going on here's 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.840 has been change in culture around white tailed deer hunting 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.600 in that a lot of hunters started to to see 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.600 and learn and hear about the benefits of letting young 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.919 deer reach older eight older age classes. And a lot 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.760 of that is to um to the credit of of 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.879 Ryan's employer of the Quality Deer Management Association, who's done 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.359 a pretty cool job of talking about a lot of 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.359 different things that we can do is deer hunters and 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.320 managers to try to, you know, manage for more natural 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.240 balanced deer herd of course, though to Steve's point that 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.440 he makes sometimes, which is true hunters, we get a 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.240 kick out of a big deer too. So a lot 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.160 of people realize that, hey, if I can make decisions 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.600 that help the deer herd and help me see and 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.600 maybe kill some bigger bucks, that's like a fun, beneficial 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.280 thing to do. So a lot more people saw those 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.679 benefits and started passing you younger deer, and they started 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.840 doing things to improve the habitat, did my health, deer 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.640 get bigger, um, and a slew of other things over 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.320 the years that the last ten fifteen years have have 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.960 really changed the landscape when it comes to deer across America. So, yeah, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.000 there's a lot more older deer and a lot more 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.440 deer that are bigger too. Dude, row it in. You're good, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.280 Ricky cool? Yeah, I mean is that satisfied? Yeah? I 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.119 can ask some questions please. Well, I mean, I just 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.560 don't have any idea. But as the deer get older, 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.600 does that change the like what is it? How is 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.360 that affecting the the population area or herds? How does 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.560 it benefit Can we put that off yeah to a 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.240 future episode. Yeah, no, well we're gonna have We're gonna 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.840 focus on that in a future episode. It's okay with you, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.760 be honest, I'll tell you when it comes out. Alright. Yeah, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.560 that's the only way I learned about hunting by listening 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:19.160 to the podcast. So everyone good, I am. Guy says 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.040 he's got a real beef with me. He says that, um, 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.960 he says, I got kyot cooking all wrong. He says open. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.600 He's saying that. Uh. He saw me cook Kyle where 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.560 we roasted it with the skin on, and he said 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.560 that's a sure way to ruin any game animal. That 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.240 would make even squirrel taste awful. This is him talking, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.440 and then he goes on to say I very much 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.119 enjoy kyote meat and prefer to chunk it up and 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.280 fry it dusted and flour It tastes like a mild 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.360 combination of lamb and pork, and it's a great way 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.199 to add variety to the dinner table. I would love 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.800 to see you guys give it another try with the 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:04.960 care the meat deserves. That's good, that's fine. But I have, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.320 contrary to this man's opinion, I have had wonderful squirrel 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:15.080 cooked where you burned the hair off of the squirrel 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.560 and then roast the squirrel with its skin on. In Vietnam, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:26.840 I had wonderful, uh kind of weird squirrel possum looking 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.159 marsupio critter that a guy had shot out of a 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.560 tree with a air rifle, that he burned all the 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:39.320 hair off and then roasted with its skin. If you 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.800 read about the Planes tribes, they would cook domestic dog 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.199 that way, by burning all the hair off and roasting 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:52.159 in the skin. I've had wild pork, wild pig by 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.520 burning all the hair off and roasting in the skin, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.159 and that was delectable. As for Kyle being good, how 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.280 many guys have had high out, Yeah, and he've had 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:09.399 a little nibble nibble last one. We should go kill 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:14.360 some nooks. I want to try Mandrick's recipe too. Ye, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.240 we should give it a try. Oh yeah, I haven't 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.760 touched one since I ate my last one. A guy 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.800 wrote in he had hunted in Bolivia. He was down 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.240 hunting with some Uh indigenous people in Bolivion. He was 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.880 marveling how they two things. They went out to hunt 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.960 tape here, and they had a sixty engage shell and 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.119 they cut it open and put some kind of on 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.000 their own little They cut it open and took the 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.879 shot out and made their own little slugs somehow and 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.440 put it in there and use it to kill a 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.760 tape here. And he he said that they corded it 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.040 with the skin on, salted it like crazy. But it 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:53.800 reminded me of think about like this talk about shot 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:57.119 guns remind me thing. I was with some guys in 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:02.880 South America that had a sixteen gage shotgun, but they're 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:10.119 only ammo was twelve gauge shotgun shells. So they were 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.600 going out night hunting and they would take their cut 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:19.080 open their twelve gage shell and cut open their sixteen back. 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.200 Let me back up. Yeah, they had a sixteen gage 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.080 shotgun and a bunch of spent shells, and they had 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:32.760 a box of good twelve gage shells. So they laid 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.399 out some leaves like bowl shaped leaves, cut the twelve 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:44.119 gage shell open, don't the shot into a leaf, pulled 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:49.720 the wad out, poured the powder out, knocked the primer 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.960 out of the twelve gage shell, put the primer into 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:59.040 the sixteen gage shell, poured the powder in there, took 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.560 toilet paper and made a wadding and packed the wide down, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.919 poured the shot and got a candle out and wax 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:13.239 sealed the things shot and they'd get two or three 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:14.440 and that was made up, and then it was time 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:19.280 to go hunting. Wow. Yeah. And one night they go 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.960 out and they come back with a couple of birds 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:26.000 and they had a a an aquatic road that they'd killed, 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.240 and they didn't have enough, and so they went through 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.199 this whole process and made one more shell and then 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.960 went back out in their boat and a while later 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:39.879 came back near dun hunting. Wow. Good stuff. That is 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:45.160 good stuff. Okay, we got it good, don't we? Where 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:57.159 where you beginning to Molly's Oh we're um. We're just 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:03.280 finishing up a hunt in Sonora, Mexico. Um, not far 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.480 from you know, ways off, not far from the US border. 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:12.280 You can see land features across the line in the US. 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.560 And it's kind of an auspicious time to be down 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.920 here hunting, because you know, we're engaged in a great 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:25.760 national debate about the um ramifications and costs and merits 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.480 of constructing a border wall. So it's been funny to 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.480 be down flirting with the border and seeing the border 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.119 and and and and being down here hunting. It's been 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.359 like more I've come down here a number of times 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.000 over the years to hunt, and it's been more sort 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:46.800 of I don't know, the geopolitics around my mind now 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:52.000 more than normal being down in Mexico um Cou's deer. 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.920 But I felt just the same as years passed, the hunting, 0:24:55.680 --> 0:25:01.879 the land well and the the whole travel in the process. No, 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.560 no problem, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting that I'm not. Yeah, 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.000 I didn't mean to suggest that it was problematic in anyway. 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.320 You weren't. I was just adding that, yeah, now that 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.680 it was problematic anyway, It was just like an interesting time, 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:17.960 right absolutely to come down and hunt and Couzier. It's 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:24.000 Umku's deer also pronounced Cow's deer. A kind of a 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:28.439 weird dude with a real weird personal history. Elliott Cous' 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.680 is a guy whose name was applied to these deer 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.359 and you're hearing called desert white tails, a little dinky, 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.040 nine hundred pound white tails that live in the mountainous 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:43.920 desert and the Sky Island mountain chains. Some in New Mexico, 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.760 a great many in Arizona. And then this is kind 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:48.399 of like the good old days down here in Mexico. 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.919 There's gotta be more couzier down here than in all 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:58.680 of Arizona when don't you guess? Yeah, in all Sonora, 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:06.720 lots of cous dear, lots of cuse dear. So came 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.239 down and we were the way. I've never hunted down 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.639 here anyway, but this way, but we've never come down 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:19.000 not with working with Talk about Jay how I used 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.720 to work for him, my buddy Ja. Yeah, I used 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.359 to work for him as a fishing guide. He was 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.120 a client of mine. That's how we met. I didn't 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.000 realize that you guys met that way floating down the 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:36.520 old Eagle Eagle River mm hmm. So you guided him 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:42.840 fishing and then you started guiding for him. Yeah, that's 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:48.880 right in Arizona, a little bit down here and those 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:54.679 big famous elk units in Arizona. That's right. Good times, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.800 And you'd like to add about that, you're being awful. 0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.440 Kurt had a lot of fun hanging out. I always 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.080 when I see dark down here, I always think back 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.959 on those times and uh miss him because Darna used 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.000 two got together and I have a lot of good laughs. 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:14.159 So yeah, no, I don't know what to add about it. 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:19.320 It was good, um, but yeah, so Jay, I didn't 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.960 have no idea how time flies. But Jay said, this 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.760 is his twenty first year of doing this down here. Really, yeah, 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.600 Jay Scott has glassed up the last time I asked 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.199 him this question, how many mountain lions he's ever glassed up? 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:36.720 The last time I talked to him, he was at 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.960 thirty two. It's like he spent so much time glassing. 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.520 You know, look a through his binos or spot and 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:48.920 scopes his number. Now he's glassed up forty three. So 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:50.760 if you think you spent a lot of time out hunting, 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.280 add up how many mountain lions you've seen through your 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:58.280 binos and then consider that this man has glassed up 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:04.760 forty three mountain lions while looking for other jumps. Yeah, 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.280 if you're a Western hunters spent a lot of time 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.159 on the glass. This really wouldn't work for a do 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.480 that sits and tree stands. For a white tail, No, 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.560 you can wait a long time for mountainline to walk by. 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.960 But what Jay does? So Jay guides down. Jay guides 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.600 in Mexico. He guides elsewhere too, But he guides in Mexico, 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:28.000 and he guides for Gould's turkeys um and guides for 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:33.000 Cou's deer. But also does give him give him the 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:34.760 give him the spiel, Ynny, you'll do a better job 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.560 of it. It's a he basically does like a d 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.760 I Y program for guys that want to come down 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:46.920 to Mexico and hunt Cou's deer, and so he the 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.880 hunt itself is completely d I Y. But he arranges 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:54.480 the ranch and then it helps with your paperwork for 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.520 crossing your firearms across the border, and then kind of 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.560 gives you, um, just lays out the whole process of 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.320 what it's going to take a cross the border going 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.200 both directions. But he'll basically secure a ranch and secure 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:12.720 deer tags for that ranch, and then um, you buy 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.160 those through j you know, but the ranch provides them. 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.920 And then he basically uh helps you get your firearm 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.640 permit for Mexico and then gives you like a real 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.160 clean rundown of like this is what you need if 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.680 you're gonna bring a vehicle across the border. You need 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.880 the insurance and a letter that says that you're the 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.240 owner has had to then number this stat and the 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.680 other and then gives you real clear directions and he 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.760 also offers I think, um like what we call fixers 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.360 or like and translators like they can be at the 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.120 border to meet you, to help you through that process 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.440 to get you to your ranch. And once you have 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.440 to ranch, you on your own and it's like you're 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.320 it's like you have you it's like having a chunk 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.360 of national it's not national force because very much privately 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.920 owned land. But it's like it's like when you CROs 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.560 us the border and come down in here, not that 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:05.280 far man, it's like you've gone back like a hundred 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:11.000 years back in time, huge ranches. People still work cattle 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:18.600 on horseback. It's great, mon. I mean, I had a 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:22.480 very different idea of how this trip was going to 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.240 be when um I got the offer to jump on 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:33.440 and yeah, this whole situation is really fantastic. And the 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:38.680 folks um that we've had helping us out here at 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:43.360 at the Rancho um are great. And it's just kind 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:49.560 of like it's nice watching uh and being around folks 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.920 who are living simply and um, you know, I kind 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.120 of feel like a bum because they were working, but 0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.920 you know, while we're tramping the hills. But it's it's 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:06.160 is nice. It it's kind of kind of relaxing. Oh yeah, man, 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.880 caught loose on like caught loose, winding around like a 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.720 giant chunk of property. Yeah, got a bunch of deer 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.840 hiding out in the mountains in it. Yeah, and it's 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.760 it's just been It's great too, because it's not like 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.040 you're not like walking down to some or not even 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.400 walking in some cases. You're not just like stepping out 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.960 the door and looking at some center pivot that's fully 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:34.160 irrigated and chuck chuck chucking away and there's deer living 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.120 in there night and day. And um, you know I 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.360 wouldn't mind having a spot or two like that. Well, 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.520 then you wouldn't see any of the ranch, you know. 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:48.760 I mean, this has been awesome because, um, you definitely 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.440 got to do some exploring and and checking out new stuff, 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:56.040 and it's been great. It's been great. It's funny back 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.720 home hunting white tails. When you talk about a property 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.360 you can hunt. You know, if I said I got 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.320 a big property to hunt, I'd be like a hundred 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.240 fifty acres two acres. I would be really excited about that. 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.080 When you're talking about this kind of scale we have 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.720 out here, like you said, it does feel like national forest. 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.840 It's vast, it seems unending almost tens of thousands of 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:22.000 acres completely undeveloped, like all day never cross the border. Yeah, completely, 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.239 like just like not developed. It's just a different it's 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.920 just different. The way you hunt Cousier. As you get 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.960 up this is the This isn't the way it has 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.360 to happen. But typically you get up on the kind 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.880 of the biggest highest peaks around it you can find, 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:42.960 and um, and you have to just watch the surrounding 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.880 hillside is very very very carefully extremely hard to pick up. 0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:54.200 The brush is tall and the animal is small. And 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:04.800 it like, for me, one thing uh that really struck 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.160 me and something that I had to kind of like 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.320 recalibrate my brain over and over again too, is um 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:16.040 was it when when any animal stands out in the 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.240 wide open, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, there he is, 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.320 and they seem like bigger than life. But when they're 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.000 in that brush, these things are so small that UM. 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:33.560 Free handing my binoculars at often many times throughout this hunt, 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.720 free handing my binoculars would be frustrating to the point 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.520 where I thought it was pointless, Like I had to 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.840 have them on on the tripod because so many times 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:51.800 I like looked at a deer and the only reason 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.400 that I caught it was because of the motion of 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.600 the deer. And that could be like the chin moving 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.520 as it's chewing its cut, like little white flashes from 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.280 its chin moving, or just an ear flicker, or you know, 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.520 maybe in a generous way, it'd be like a big 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.480 white tail given a flap um. And so if your 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:18.040 binoculars were moving at all, you know, at yards um, 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.920 you're gonna miss that little bit of motion. It was 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.720 just amazing at like, I had a hard time giving 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.000 them the credit that they would due as far as 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.759 their ability to disappear. Yeah, go ahead, well, I was 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.600 gonna say. And then to compound on that, if you 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.120 were to somehow you know, well, if even if you 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.440 had him on tripod, if you bumped them or in 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.120 any way left that singular focus on that little bit 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.080 of movement, you almost never find it again. So if 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.239 you're handheld, you're stuck. Yeah, that's a good point, because 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.560 you look at it like a sea of brushy slopes. 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.239 And oftentimes you'll be sitting there with you with your 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.200 bodies at your hunting with and you'll be like, oh, 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.959 got one, and they'll be like where like I can't, 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:05.279 I don't, I can't tell you, I don't know, I 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:06.880 don't want. I can't take my eyes off it to 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.920 get the context, and you can't. You know that the 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.040 minute you move your eye to figure out where it is, 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.480 that your binoculars are centered on it in order to 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.280 explain it that something's gonna happen, You're gonna lose track 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.000 of the deer. It's like the world's best game of 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:27.279 Where's waldo? Oh. It's fun, but it's like it's they 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.080 just vanish. Then you see him and oftentimes you like 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.680 catch them and you never catch him again. He went 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.719 into that never mind and you never see him again, 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.719 and we're hunt him during the rut. So you and 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:45.600 you don't even watched two Dear Make Love. That's the 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.080 second time I've seen that happened this year. I was 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:55.040 commenting on the strong oral component. Yes, said love making 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.359 a lot of beforehand. After Yeah, you k that needs 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.839 to be further defined. I don't want it to find 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:09.239 we got down family. It's a family program. Uh, there's 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.200 two like there's two things. And you know I've heard 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:17.000 uh guys like big white tail guys talking to you. Mark, 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:18.799 You're the kind of the main one I know, um 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:25.719 talking about bucks being locked down. Yeah, lockdown being that 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.560 that there's a period like in the breeding cycle when 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:31.560 you can't find any big box because the big box 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.760 are just standing there. Body, don't you're not doing anything. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.080 They're just hanging out with the dough and man like, 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.160 we saw two kinds of buck activity box that were 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.400 just moving so fast and so much that it was 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.520 like you couldn't go get him if you wanted them, 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.399 because they just come in and out of your life. 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.880 You know, well, there is you kind of where you 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.000 watch him, you losing me, watching me lose me, watch 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:55.759 me losing in precent his way the hell down the 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.880 hill and he's gone and he's just gone. Or you 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.040 catch a glimpstom and he goes into some giant sea 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.000 of brush and never comes back out and he's gone 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:08.239 out of your life. But then the ones we got, no, 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.440 that's kind of that's not really true. Yeah, So the 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:18.080 best opportunities were bocks that were that were so intensely 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:25.640 focused on a single dough that they would allow We 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:31.560 watch one today that would go twenty minutes not moving 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.960 his feet and not taking a bite to eat. But 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.439 just stand there for twenty minutes and watch a dough 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:43.359 feed ten twenty yards away from him, and like all 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:47.080 that's on his mind is standing there. They like to 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.800 be a little higher standing, and SE's like they like 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.480 to be a little teeny bit higher than the dough 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.800 and just stand there and stare at her. He was 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.719 a very it was very familiar white tailed behavior in 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.560 that regard. That seemed like something that makes sense. You 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.439 saw some number of bucks cruising, which was that first 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:08.000 behavior you talked about, just moving around trying to find 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.879 that dough. And then when a buck did have a doll, 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.480 sometimes several bucks all trying to be close that doll. 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.960 But typically there's that one that is with a doll 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.120 that's ready to breed. You have that lockdown phenomena. And yeah, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.080 I mean we all I think saw situations like that. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.800 Their patients is kind of amazing or whatever. It is 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:31.040 their focus, especially when you get a look at the 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:38.440 parasite load on these things. Yeah, they have dozens of 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:43.080 per I think if you looked at a patch of 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:47.640 their hide three inches by three inch, twenty or so ticks, 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.360 you look around the bald spot just around their anus, 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:58.759 the hairless patch around there, crawling with ticks. They have 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.840 nasal bots living in the back of their throat that 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.680 could be the size of like the end of your pinky. 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.440 Their fore legs are perforated with cactus thorns and all that, 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.400 and they can stand there staring at a lady. I 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.359 think we've all been there. I don't. Oh man, that's 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:25.680 a lot of stuff. Yeah, focused on the press markets crabs, 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:32.359 but you know that bucks thinking the exact same thing 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.000 we're thinking when we're looking through the spatting scope for 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.080 the binoculars though, right, He's like, man, if I take 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.319 my eyes off of her, I may never see her. Yeah, 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.840 he knows he's gonna lose her. Yeah, it's kind of 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:45.959 It's kind of become one of my favorite types of hunting. 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:50.080 Those the hunt COO's dear man. I loved every minute, 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:55.080 like and never I never had a moment where I 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.200 was like, God, I hope I filled this tag. It 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.319 was always like, well, this goes on another day. I'm 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:06.120 all right with that. Yeah, what what I think happened 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.799 with the with the buck you got? The first time 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.440 I've ever seen it happen with a couisier I think, 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.759 is uh kind of stumbling into a buck, yes, very much, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.360 went up to a glass and knob and then found 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:23.520 a buck. Yeah. And you know what's extremely unique about 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:29.839 that for me is ah, I can count on one 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.960 hand the amount of times I've filled my tag before 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:39.360 everybody else in camp has filled their tag, like I 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:45.520 always mostly by choice, and the last person to fill 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.240 my tag. It's kind of where I feel more comfortable, 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.120 I think, mostly from growing up doing the guiding thing. 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:56.120 But Steve had purposely walked away without his gun, without 0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:01.319 more binoculars, and and we saw it. But I wasn't. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:06.800 I wasn't considering myself to be up anyway. Well that 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:10.759 doesn't matter, I mean to me, I was thinking in 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.719 my mind, I was you were up. It helped my 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.560 decision making so so much because you had your your 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.600 toilet tree hit in your hand. I was going over 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.840 to find a rock that I was going to flip 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:30.719 over and then do some something, then flip that rock 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.480 back over on top of it and come back and 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.520 check on y'all. And I was just it was like 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.480 the perfect the perfect green light for me because I 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:43.920 was like, all right, well this isn't even an argument 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.600 at this point because my inclination would have been like, Steve, 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:51.040 get your gun. No, I would have said no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:56.719 I ain't just attest to what an amazing the stealthy 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.239 crew you get to run around with seven en of 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:06.200 us just waltz right up to two yards and they 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.399 were able to film at all. It's hard to using 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:13.400 the hand signals all day and being non verbal and 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.279 sneaky like that. You spotted him too, didn't you. It's like, 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.120 as soon I remember, as soon as we got up there, 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.759 you were like, oh, the eagle. Why do I think 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.480 we call him the eagle? Dude? You cannot mess with 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.200 the eagle. Why do you think he gets the work 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.640 here because he's the eagle. It's not because his sass, 0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:34.880 it's not. We don't keep him for his sass? What 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:39.400 about his What about his shoulders? Yes, the big beefy 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:45.279 shoulders helps a lot. His lack of verbosity, um right now, 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.680 is not helping him. But the eagle. How many words 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:54.160 one uses? But um, the eagle is the eagle? Man 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.120 like a very if you said he gave me a 0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:02.719 very verbose explanation, be like a little lots there, yeah, 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:10.080 lots there, lots there loquacious one that when he does strike, 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:16.880 he strikes. Now with Mark's buck, Marks buck, we spotted 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:21.759 up some bucks. So that was a non trad CU's dear. 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.040 That was a non Tradu's deer. That was the first 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.239 time I've seen that happen. It was the first time 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:31.160 in the my buck last year that way. No, yeah, 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.719 last year last year with John and I John snow 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.960 and I forgot about last year. M hm, yeah, but 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.279 I wasn't there, you weren't. So the ones I've been 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.480 in on, I've never seen a play out where um, 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.239 it's always played out where you see it far off 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.359 and then have to do some things to get over 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:57.759 and getting to get a crack at it. The ones 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.600 I've been in on, which is a good handful. Um, 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:04.719 it was the first of my scene where we where 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:09.800 we actually kind of came on, came upon one Marx 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:15.720 was more classic cousier situation. YEA spied him from about 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:21.840 a thousand yards and then you have the work downhill 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:28.960 and get you know, yards closer. Yeah, first time I 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.120 ever done anything like that, because I think it's telling Yanni. 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.239 I've never muled deer, hunted, never cous deer hunted. I've 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.480 only ever both hunted five percent of the time for 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.200 white tails, occasionally us a shotgun muzzle loader to shoot 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.560 the hundred yard shots max. So this is way outside 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:48.920 of my ballpark of of experience, and it was all 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.640 the all the hunting this guy's done. That was the 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:54.200 longest shot he's ever taken. Oh yeah, and the longest 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.279 shot before that was my shot last year on the 0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:00.279 care Boo. So you guys have stretched and prior to 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.279 that it was probably nine yards, so you guysn't really 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.759 stretched me. Um when it comes to firearms. Was just good. 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.120 But yeah, we spotted that bucket a thousand yards or 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.120 so and decided that we thought he was a shooter. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.560 And uh, Yanni and myself and and Seth went tearing 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.279 down the hill and went down the steep canyon at 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.160 about three yards, came up to this little rise at 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.000 the bottomless valley. There's a small kind of knoll, and 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.279 we got to the top of that rise shooting up, 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:33.520 shooting up, and uh, can I interject real quick? I 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.520 want to point out an important part of who's your hunt. 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.040 When you're watching a cou's doing, you're thinking like you're 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.080 gonna go after it. That's great, you found a buck, 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.400 you're gonna go after it. But the tricky question is 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:52.640 what we're exactly you're gonna go because it doesn't really work. Generally, 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.719 it doesn't work to get on his slope. You gotta 0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:01.400 find a little perch or something where you can shoot 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:05.960 over into his area, like some kind of train feature 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.959 where you might plausibly like get there and look into 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:14.279 his brushy little zone. You can't get on his his 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.040 not that you can't, but typically would not work to 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.840 get on his slope in this bout set up perfectly 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.600 in that way because you had a little perch, had 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.400 a shooting shooting shooting up. Yeah, And the other thing 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:30.279 that's important to point out. I think that it was 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.840 a thing I learned from this trip was the importance 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:36.520 of before taking making that stock, you really need some 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.239 reference points locked in as far as where you saw 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.640 that dear last, because you're gonna lose it. You change perspective, 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.560 really flips them's around. So so we remember seeing that 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.400 there's a really thick patch of junipers, especially thick on 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.640 this hillside, and so we remember I remember seeing the 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.200 buck in the dough in that on the the right 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.080 side of that thick patch last. But then it was 0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:00.480 actually Seth who had made the very most important reference 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.560 point was the fact that we had last seen the 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.200 buck and Do next to a tree with a very 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:08.239 unique white circle on it. So when we ended up 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.480 getting back to that shooting knob, we found the thick 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.040 patch of junipers, and then we could narrow down our 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.399 point of focus even further by looking for that tree 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.239 with the white circle on us. So we really could 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.600 zero it on where they were last, and they were 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:21.600 very locked down, like we were talking about earlier, they 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.040 hadn't moved very much at all, and we had come 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:25.440 up with a little We had come up with a 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:32.040 very rudimentary signaling system using Yanni's Blaze Orange How to 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:36.120 Go to Do Your Bandana UM available at the mediator 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.719 dot com currently out of stock, I believe, but coming 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:45.400 back in stock soon. UM a little signaling system where 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:50.400 if need be, like we agreed that if I didn't 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:55.759 do anything, that meant nothing had changed into if I 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.960 can interject, I kind of wished that there was another 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.680 say know that we had had, which meant we're not 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.919 trying here. We were getting that from you many times 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.000 when we looked at you, but we were not sure 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.120 if you were just doing that because you didn't see 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.400 us I got bored, or if you were doing it 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.520 because the deer was still doing what was supposed to do. 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.480 I got you. So we need some kind of confirmation 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.640 that you actually saw us and realized that we were 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:26.399 asking for the update. There's no update. Yeah, buck hadn't moved, 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.600 but we need to confirmation. So I'm perched up watching 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:34.680 the buck from afar and you're coming in. And our 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.440 agreement was if I don't do anything, there's nothing you 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.840 need to know for me. If if not, I was 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.600 going to take a orange bandin and tied to a 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:51.000 pole and uh point from my perspective what direction the 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.440 deer went on the face of the slope, but never 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:58.160 needed to do it. So, you know, I look back 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.560 at your handful of times and you were doing anything. 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.520 So the assumption was the deer was still in there, 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.880 just a dead stair on my face, Yeah, that's what 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.680 it was. And came up to the top of that 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.879 first knob, creeped up. Really we crawled to the top 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.680 of that knob, but it was about three yards I 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.080 think at that point, and just could not see anything. 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.200 Just we we We stayed there a good decent bit 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.680 I don't know, twenty minutes at least, maybe even more 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.480 glass and glass and glassing, but no movement. Um. So 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.120 finally we could see that there was still more of 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:34.160 that ridge that was hidden by the furthest edge of 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.640 our glassing knob. There's a slight rise and we just 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.839 couldn't see beneath that, and so we assumed, then, if 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:42.880 this box is still in there, it's got to be 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.640 beneath the rise. So we had to make a final 0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.360 like seventy yard creep, and finally decided to do that. 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.160 We crept in, got right to the kind of highest 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.320 point of that little rise, got down on hands and knees, 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.720 and and that's when I spotted the dough. It stops glass, 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:02.560 see the dough. Um kind of made a game plan 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.719 for what we're gonna do next. Knew that there must 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.200 be the buck somewhere nearby. And Um, then I spotted 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.440 the buck not too far away in the brush like 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:17.560 just you know, thick junipers and whatever other junks down there, ok, 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:22.240 oak um, And I remember, in the first fleeting glance 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.320 of him, I remember thinking it doesn't quite look like 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.279 the buck we saw originally, and they turned to you. 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:29.400 I said, I don't know if it's the same buck. 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.759 It looks like at shorter times. But then he moved 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.160 off and crawled further and kind of got in position 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:38.359 to where I could get a shot in that general 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:41.480 are So we got positioned looking for them again, looking 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.120 for them again, and then I'm like, hey, I got 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.400 the buck again. I could see this buck standing underneath 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.839 that exact tree we had referenced earlier, the strange white 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:53.319 circle tree. He was right there underneath that tree again 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.680 in the shade in the tangle. And I just remember saying, hey, 0:50:56.719 --> 0:51:02.040 there's a buck and arrange him two thirty yards so 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:06.399 within range, and uh, I'm looking at him and he's 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:09.919 dark handlered, and he's seemed wide ish. I just could 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:14.560 not see time length, and I'm thinking to myself, God, 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.040 I think this buck had longer times we saw earlier. 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:21.319 I don't know this bucks in range. Um. I can't 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.520 remember if we looked back. I think Seth was trying 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:25.400 to get a camera on it, and we asked him, like, 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:27.560 can you see him? Is he look Is it that buck? 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.120 And he's he's like, I just shoot it. If it 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:34.520 was me, and everything was kind of lined up. You know, 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.440 it worked out well for the crew with the audience 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:41.160 seth were there and it was my first cuse deer 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:46.400 buck and pretty sweet. So I got settled on him, 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:47.920 and like you know, like you mentioned earlier, that was 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.480 my longest shot ever on a on an animal. So 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.840 I took my time getting really settled in nicely and 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.640 had a bipod on the rifles set in my backpack 0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.560 and put a patternneath my right elbow and just slowed 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.320 it down as best as I could. Um took the 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.239 shot well as funny as I was watching the other 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.719 buck through a spot and scope on a pretty narrow well, 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.200 we haven't yet pointed out the fact that this was 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:17.600 not the original It doesn't matter, which is funny that 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.719 I was, Yeah, okay, so go on. Well yeah, so 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:23.520 the point being that the buck I end up shooting 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:25.680 was not the original one was not what was not 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.400 the one I was watching to see what it would do. 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.239 But I'm staring at it through a spotting scope, the 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.000 one that we had always been looking at, and I 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.960 hear a shot and all of a sudden, the bark 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.400 runs into my field of view and through my spotting 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:45.160 scope and within a second falls over dead right in 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.080 front of the buck I've been watching for all that time, 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.799 and that buck seemed to not care about that at all. 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.000 But then she got like, yo, he had kind of 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.400 had an attitude like that bettered him to me. And 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.960 then he went up and over top of the ridge 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:03.480 and out of our lives. I don't know how we 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.480 never saw that other buck, because you said it was 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.040 so close, right, I can't see anything, man, confusing. We 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.319 talked about when he grunted right beneath us there yet 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.080 all kinds of weird stuff happened, but we couldn't see him. 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:16.960 But just because he was like the same reason we 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.200 couldn't see the other deer before we moved. I think 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:26.799 it was just below, yeah, the plane that we could see. Yeah. 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.560 I feel bad too, man, because I was so badly 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.840 wanted to help out and like look and stuff, but 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:35.279 I was running a camera and I'm always so torn, 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.640 and I always rather just throw that camera in the ditch, 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.239 just glass and be like there he is, don't you 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.000 shoot whatever, But man, I gotta sit there and try 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:48.440 to get my coverage. It's tough, man. You did good work. Well. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.600 We don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I guess that's Mark's 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.359 hunt might and be included in the episode. We'll see. 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.920 It was the first the first hunt you filmed. No, no, 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:03.719 how long has it been since you a little bit? 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:10.400 This fault hunt? Yeah with Mark? Actually was that with you? 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:19.040 That was you? And I oh yeah yeah, and then uh, 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:21.800 I do a little bit here and there, and I 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.879 think he did another one. You pick up a camera 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.640 pretty often, but I feel you on the like not 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.120 being able to look and see what's going on. I mean, 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.480 and I want, I often want to see what's happening, 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.080 but I'm I'm just stuck in the lens of my camera, 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:39.800 like I'm not I don't see where the animal is. 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.960 I don't get to pull out my binoculars. So it's 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:47.879 all like almost imaginary. Everybody's really excited about something I'm 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.799 not looking at. I'm like looking in the opposite direction, dude. 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.280 But this trip, I was like, normally I'm like super 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.560 super excited to shoot, and I was you had to 0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:04.040 film Yeah, good clarification, m But like normally we'll film 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.120 as every like hunter is getting into getting settled and 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.359 pulling out their binoculars, and I just wanted that part 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:11.839 to get done so then I could sit down, put 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.560 out my binoculars and start looking around. You spot it 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.399 up a couple of deer, Yeah, I'll get a lot better. Yeah, 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.200 but a lot yeah more on this trip and Sid 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.440 he still had mama's milk on your lip when we 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.960 picked you up, dude, the first thing talking about that today, 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:36.640 nice old game spotter. Uh yeah. The buck I got 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:40.840 was kind of like real standard sort of who's deer situation? 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:43.799 There was. I think there's a good example in there though, 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:48.480 because I was thinking about it because um the terrain, Um, 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:54.160 your buck was locked lockdown when we took off. But 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.399 we did a lot of walking and sneaking and trying 0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:01.960 to get around for for quite a while. Yeah. You 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:03.680 go way the hell out of your way to try 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.000 to eventually wind up in a spot where you're in 0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:08.560 his zone without him knowing you got into his zone. Yeah, 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.399 and and really didn't shave off, you know. I think 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.800 I arranged him before when we made the decision to go, 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.320 and it was like five hundred and eighty four yards 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:24.800 and then twenty minutes of hiking around and sneaking, we 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:28.600 were at five hundred and forty four yards. Like we 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.000 just we did a lot of moving around to try 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.280 to get to a spot where we could close distance. 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:42.000 And then um and we weren't. We weren't effectively narrowing 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.439 down that yardage. And then once we got in there, 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:50.080 um it. You know, it was a great stock, great 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:54.120 hunt because there's always that apprehension of like, oh man, 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.080 this this cannot work out, this cannot work out because 0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:00.200 of the angle. Once we in order to it was 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:04.359 that yard is down to a comfortable shooting situation. Um 0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:10.000 it made the angle to the buck very difficult, made 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.719 it a very difficult killing situation, even though it was 0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:15.800 within effective range. And this is kind of for a 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.640 lack of a glass of a shooting knob, right, I 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.160 bet you found a shooting nob. Though we had to 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:27.760 poke and pride to find a knob. They would let 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.520 you look up into his little spot there. There's a 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:35.000 lot going on with there too. At one point you 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.200 guys had KU's deer, have len and a coyote. Yeah, 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:41.040 me and Seth were we stuck back and glassed from 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:44.080 the original distance. And yeah, that that buck the unit 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.920 up shooting was locked down with the doll. Four other 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.680 bucks were kind of circling trying to move in on 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:51.600 that doll, and it was pretty cool as that year 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.400 buck would run one of those bucks off, run off 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.040 thirty forty yards and then storm right back to the doll, 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:58.960 make sure she was still there, and then he'd run 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.200 off with the buck run right back. Um, and then 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.439 you have have linings came passing right through, maybe twenty 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:07.440 yards beneath at one point, right around the same time 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.080 the coyote trolled through in that buck stated right next 0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:11.520 to the dough. They you can see all the deer, 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:14.240 just their eyes following that coyote the whole path he took, 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:16.080 and then he left and then it was right back 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.640 to the doll. It's kind of a fun little wildlife 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:21.880 watching situation I had there while you were talking in 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:26.920 it's amazing that at least I won't see that footage 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:34.840 until who knows long time from now. Yeah, and then 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.480 you'll be like, oh, that's right, that was cool a 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.320 couple of months now. I always like it's fun to 0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.080 have that stuff. Um, people be like, hey, did you 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.240 take in your any photos from your trip? Like I 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:51.280 took a TV show on my trip, must be nice. 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:56.840 That was a very fun hunt, though, that was a 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:58.880 good one. Who wants to be in charge of talk 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:02.720 about how you make tomorle hold on? Aren't you guys 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:06.360 say about tell everybody how you got to shoot my 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.720 buck for me too? You go ahead and tell that story. 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.760 You just not like say anything you call go ahead. 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:19.680 It's hard to say things. It's tired. Everybody's I'm looking 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:25.000 looking a lot of it's just a lot of other 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:30.440 folks talking um. But no. After Steve shot his buck, 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:36.080 Steve and Chris walked up the hill to go retrieve it, 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:40.360 find it, recover it, and uh, callen ire waiting down there, 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.000 and I forget did you just look up and go, oh, 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:47.960 there's another buck standing out there? It was it was 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.680 just locked in place, but did you see it? There 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:58.040 was chasing the dough, two bucks chasing that dough. And 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:01.520 then yeah, and then I another buck like bombed in 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:07.000 and they eventually chased the dough and right through where 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:12.720 your buck expired. Steve's buck expired, and I was kind 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:15.880 of like, oh my god, hopefully one of these dear 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.880 isn't Steve's buck that just magically got up and ran away. 1:00:19.960 --> 1:00:22.440 But yeah, then that buck was down there in the 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:26.760 peripheral view. He just showed up. I don't know. A 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.920 woman in the market spotted him earlier in the same buck. Anyways, 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.600 he standing in there looking down at us and in 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:34.880 our from what from our point of view, it looks 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:39.000 like he's thirty yards to the left of Chris and 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.680 Steve and you guys are up there making television. So 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:45.680 Steve's not talking in a quiet voice. He's doing his thing, 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:50.520 recovering the animal. And uh, finally you guys get done 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:52.600 doing what you're doing, and Steve yelling is yelling down 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.120 on us like, hey, come on up here. You weren't 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:58.480 what were you yelling on the side of we did 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.800 we got a whoop or something like that? Yeah, you 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:09.760 got our attention. Okay, well a voice from up did 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:16.600 I have occasion to go? Who not? Typically not time. 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.400 I do remember cal you up. You guys might have 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:25.160 heard us talking, because when you're like, when we were 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:28.120 up there, you could we were projecting pretty loud going 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:33.240 Probably not whoop. I don't remember a whoop, but he 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:36.600 that might have been me. Actually, hey, it might have 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:41.120 been me. All of a sudden, you guys, are you 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:45.160 guys recovered? Recovered? You made a little tide a little 1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:50.080 scene and then and then, and then I remember hearing 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:54.840 cal being like, hey, can you guys take a couple 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.600 of steps to your left or whatever, to the north 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.240 or whatever? You said, go north? I went south. Yeah, 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:05.240 go north. We went the robe specified a hundred yards 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:08.480 and started yelling because you guys didn't have a radio, 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:12.760 We just started yelling, we have a bucket two some yards. 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:16.640 You guys are t hundred yards and yards from the 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.800 buck and we're going, hey, can you move a couple 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:24.320 hundred yards to our right? And you yell back why, 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:28.440 We're like, well, there's a deer up there. Ya. He's 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:31.520 gonna shoot him if you guys can walk like way 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:34.840 to hell off of that slope. So that's so we did. 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:38.120 You guys didn't, and the bucks stood there through the 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:47.520 whole thing. Conversation is like, well, boy, it's nice buck, 1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:52.240 it's right there. This would be you know, we only 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:57.560 have so much time to uh, you know, fill the tag. 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:01.440 And it's like, well, if I just yell at those 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:06.400 guys and he stays there, kind of kind of gotta 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:09.760 take him, right, Yeah, we figured be worth a try, right. 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:12.000 We figured since we started yelling, you know, the buck 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:16.560 would just scatter leave the hill. But it's hard to 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.320 imagine what was what was going on with him. Yeah, 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:23.880 I think that dough was just he knew he was 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:28.000 the second biggest buck on the slope. It was batter 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:30.480 up time for him because the first biggest buck was 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:33.480 out of the equation and those two smaller bucks were 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:38.880 now chasing that dough. But you and Pounder, we're in 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:42.960 between him and that dough. And he was like, really, 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:48.720 he found himself in a very contemplative situation. He did 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:52.320 not move a muscle. No, no, it isn't really interesting though, 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:55.720 I've never seen this before. Obviously, since I've never been 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:59.120 in a situation like this. We were watching someone shooting 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:00.800 an animal from a DC and bit away, but we 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:02.880 I was glassing this whole thing, watching it through my 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:07.680 binose and both with your bucks, Steve and Janice. I 1:04:07.840 --> 1:04:10.920 saw the deer react to the bullet before I heard 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:14.280 the gunshot go off. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, that 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:15.680 was cool. I was like, oh, what's he doing and 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:21.800 then boom, yes that yeah, yeah, they're just still over. Well, 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:25.520 neither of them fell over. Yeah, my shot wasn't quite 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:28.800 on the mark, missed him just the hair right. I 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:31.440 couldn't tell you. I shouldn't tell what went on in there, man, 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:36.720 because one shoulder was completely just annihilated to the point 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:39.040 where I didn't even bother trying to trim me. Well, 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:41.480 we took the shank, that's how much was good at 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:45.000 It was still, you know, edible, and there was a 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:49.960 hole going into the body cavity on the inside of 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:55.080 that shoulder. But anyways, the thing wasn't quite ready to die. 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:57.800 So Steve walked over to it and UH had to 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:03.240 sort of run it down, chasing downhill. Yeah, finally got 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:10.640 one in its neck, killed it. Dream one's ready to 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:15.520 talk about Tomores. I like that Gray Fox. Oh that 1:05:15.720 --> 1:05:21.120 was cool. Fox Like, I like asking the boys up 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:25.720 down here about running the jaguars, which happens. Yes, yes, 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:28.640 it does happen. Jay said, we would have probably seen 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:30.800 the mountain lion that didn't end up happening. I didn't 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:34.280 see mountainlin I didn't even cut a track. Yeah, I 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:37.840 saw one maybe kind of mushed track of a line. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:42.400 The impression these guys run these cats like if they 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:47.840 hear of a cat, one of these uh Vakiras sees 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:50.320 one sees a track or something that whoever they know 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:54.040 what dogs is gonna run that thing. They got a 1:05:54.080 --> 1:05:55.680 stuffed one here, kind of I don't know if you 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:59.920 call that even a stuff one, but very like Bay, 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:01.840 it's an attempt at tax during we have a lion 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:06.760 outside there. Um Yeah, to Molly's. So we made so 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:11.200 today we made venison to Molly's yesterday and today with 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:20.680 guidance from Carolina. Yes, uh, we took four shoulders for 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:23.560 chunking neck. And keep in mind accou'sti your buck only ways. 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:27.640 He's like, you know, hun pounds and these things are lean, 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:32.400 unreal lean gen right now, man, they look like greyhounds 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:34.800 because they've been rutting for a while. I think they 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:36.520 must have. I think we're kind of towards the tail 1:06:36.640 --> 1:06:40.200 end of the They got no fat on him. Imagine 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:45.640 taking a rolling pan and smashing out a chunk of 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:50.880 Wrigley spearmint and gum and laying it out, smoothing it 1:06:50.960 --> 1:06:56.240 out flat. That piece of gum that is now flat 1:06:56.800 --> 1:07:00.800 after it's been chewed a little bit around. No, I'm saying, 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:03.600 right out of the rapper and just smashed that thing out. 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:07.720 That's how much fat my buck hat on it. I 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:12.280 was amazed, you know, the fat. They get around like 1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:17.240 inside their pelvis like a kidney fat and stuff. A 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:21.200 couple of little mini globs of fat there, you know, 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:24.680 in the lower like in the lower digestive like outside 1:07:24.720 --> 1:07:28.320 of the lower digestive digestive track, you'll find like some fat. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:31.400 He had some fat there, some fat around his kidneys. 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:34.320 Nobody fat the one I got, the one we skinned out. 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:36.800 Were you skinned with me? Yea in between the anus 1:07:37.000 --> 1:07:41.760 and like the end of the tender one right there. 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:45.000 Get some fat there, but nothing on the top of 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:49.040 his not lick. And when they're landed, they look like 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:51.800 it's like it's looks like a greyhound land there. Yeah, 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:56.400 just amazed. Just man. They work hard. They don't eat. 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:59.600 The bucks don't eat when they're rutting. I was worried 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:01.960 the beat was gonna taste that good. I was. I was. 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:04.000 I thought for sure it'd be tougher in hell, like 1:08:04.160 --> 1:08:08.480 a poor condition or something. But oh, go ahead, Well, 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:12.240 I was gonna add. I believe I'm right on this number. 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:15.600 That white tail deer up in my neck of the woods. 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:19.439 The number that I heard is that a bucked her 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:21.400 in the rut up there can lose up to thirty 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:28.519 of their body weight, no ship who somewhere in there 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:31.639 give a take. That's amazing. That's like me hunting doll sheet. 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:40.240 How much you lost? Uh? So we took four full 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:44.760 front quarters, so four front legs, boned out neck meat. 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:48.600 What else were throwing there? We'll cook some tongue the 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:54.559 night before, real crispy little tongue, little crispers. What would 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:57.320 you call those? I think just cilantro, white onion and 1:08:57.880 --> 1:09:02.240 a bunch of lime in there, like tongue cracklings. That's 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.719 a different meal. But we took uh, four deer quarters 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:10.439 neck meat, and then Carolina boiled it in a pot 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:16.320 for six hours until the bones come out of the 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:21.080 pot just clean. Yeah. She put a couple of heads 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:24.360 of gar like putter, and we picked all that meat. 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:27.280 Didn't take long at all, picked all that meat, picked out, 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:29.280 there's no fat to pick out, barely to speak of, 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.719 picked out the sinew. It wound up with two big 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:38.280 imagine like a big gass salad bowl. Household big gass 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:42.160 salad bowl. Two of those full of pick meat. And 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:45.280 then we had all that picked and then we took 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:48.840 the boil the corn. It's like boiled corn. Yeah, so 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:53.680 it's bloated. It's yeah, yeah, it's it's soaked up a 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:58.960 bunch of water. That's what they call homony, right, yeah, yeah, 1:09:58.960 --> 1:10:01.719 except for this isn't harmony is a part of the kernel. 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:05.920 The harmony is a part of a kernel, that's right. 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:09.960 And but so this isn't like a ruptured This hasn't 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:12.280 been soaking in water long enough to where the kernel 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.879 is split. It's it's just the whole. Just to imagine, 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:19.479 like a bloated corn kernel ran up through a grinder 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.759 looks like a meat grinder. Like at a passing glance, 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:25.200 you think you look at a meat grinder, But it's 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:28.639 these two plates that that mashed together, and the auger 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:31.000 runs the corn out and you just mash and it 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:35.639 winds up being like a wet corn meal. Yes, then 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:38.160 you take all that meat juice that you use for 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:42.920 boiling down the meat and wetton what that even more, 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:48.240 put in a tunnel lard, healthy dose, put in salt, 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:51.160 put in way more chili potter than you'd ever think 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:55.599 you'd put in there, and blend that batter all up. 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:02.439 Got a part. Then you take your button eat and 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.920 so you got your pick meat. You take a pot 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:07.960 and you melt all your lard in the pot and 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.320 put garlic and onion in that pot and cook it 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:12.639 and then discard the onion, which I thought was interesting. 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:17.920 Then put all the meat in, put in buck meat, water, 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:23.679 chili powder, lard, and make chili colorado again, a lot 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:27.680 of chili powder. So you gotta pot that's got chili colorado. 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:30.479 And then you gotta pop that's got your mashed up 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:37.320 corn meal. Then you take corn husks, soaked those in 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:42.320 warm water so they repliable, and you lay out the 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:44.400 corn husk, and you take a spoon and put a 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:46.920 big healthy doll up of the batter the corn meal 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:50.080 bat around there and spread it all around. Then you 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.160 take the chili colorado and lay it in there like 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:54.560 you're laying a hot dog on a bun, and you 1:11:54.840 --> 1:12:00.400 roll it up folded, real special, and then you stack 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:04.200 them into a pot and steam them. Man, those suns 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.439 bitches good. Yeah, that was good. How many do we make? Good? 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:13.080 A lot? About seventy seventy two Molly's and had left 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:15.200 over meat? Or do we use all of our meat? 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:21.840 That's right deep fried up? Jimmy Chong? Did that use 1:12:21.960 --> 1:12:25.639 up all the meat? No? No, really, there's a lot 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:29.640 still more. Yeah, Caroline has probably taking five to ten 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:32.679 pounds on them of the chili colorado, just the meat, 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.120 the piston, just the shred of meat. You know. That's 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:38.720 what's always tough on the tomaw as your ratio of 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:48.679 the um my ease is it my man to Folks 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:53.040 call it corn or massa uh to to the meat, 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:57.519 you know, um, because you always feel like you're stung 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:02.120 if you get nothing but the but the asa. Um. 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:05.120 So they don't. They don't use up as much carna 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:10.720 as you think. Um. But holy yeah. And I went 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:16.280 round to this evening with several of us. Get yeah, 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:18.640 when you cross the border back in the US, you 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:21.320 can you take your meat home. You can take your 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:24.200 meat home on the bone. You can take it home 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:27.040 off the bone. What you can't, but you gotta clean that. 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.639 If you want to bring a skull back, you gotta 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:30.679 bring the skull back clean. You can't bring a skull 1:13:30.720 --> 1:13:32.479 across it's not clean, So you gotta boil it and 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.559 clean it. The meat can go across on the bone. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:40.880 We're gonna bring our Tamali's across, no problem. The tricky 1:13:40.960 --> 1:13:44.000 part is bringing You can't bring a hide, not that 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:47.960 you can't remember all talking about all those ticks. If 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:50.360 you want to travel back in the US and bring 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.320 a cape, like you want to get the deer mounted, 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:57.080 you need to get it that every single tick on 1:13:57.240 --> 1:13:59.880 that cape is gone, and the customs people will check 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:03.280 that thing they find a tick, you're back across the border. 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:10.799 That seems impossible, but I think most of Jay's clients 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:15.439 a cross with their capes. Just get there and pick 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:21.599 all them ticks. Yeah haven't haven't picked Give someone twenty 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:27.240 to pick ticks. You think it's a high percentage. Evacuate 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:30.200 the cape once that animals been dead for a while. 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:34.680 Sure that happens a little bit. Yeah, maybe if they 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:37.439 haven't attached themselves yet. But I think most of the 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.599 ones I saw are so bloated they're not going anywhere. 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.040 I think a trick is to freeze them for a 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:46.400 little while, make them real cold, you know, and then 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:48.920 maybe they come off easier or something. But you've got 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:52.400 to go through there. Literally what they find tooth comb 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:55.280 and a pair of tweezers for a couple of hours. 1:14:56.439 --> 1:15:01.479 I've seen a pint and jar full after one okape, 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:09.439 someone filled a pint jar with ticks. That's cool, uh man, 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:12.280 I would never I mean, you know, nothing against anyone 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:14.120 that does. Just personally, I would never mess with that. 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.960 Just bring to school home, set it on a school shelf. 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.200 So what else we have to do ni, because we 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.080 still have to do that tonight. As far as like 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:26.880 being legal beagle going across the border with they're just 1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:29.160 in paperwork. We get to fill out that says what 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:35.519 we're bringing across, how much meat? And there is a tag. Yeah, 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:38.800 you put a tag on the andlers. Is that just 1:15:38.920 --> 1:15:41.160 a customs tag or is that like an actual like 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:47.519 game agency tag. Yeah, it comes from the Mexican government. 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:53.479 Really okay tag. But then the US guys will check it. 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:56.880 And when they asked to inspect our meat, let's pull 1:15:56.920 --> 1:16:01.200 out our tamali's. Yeah. Like right, dear boy, be like 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:07.880 I counted those sens of bit Yeah, that should be 1:16:07.960 --> 1:16:11.320 about it. But I was gonna say, yeah, that Carolina 1:16:11.360 --> 1:16:14.360 man that helped us make these tamales. Uh. That's something 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:16.600 that Jay set up to you know, That's something I 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:18.800 think that anybody can get that comes down here and 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:21.680 doesn't huntle with Jay is you can just request that 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:26.960 he uh um gets you a cook. So for a 1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:32.160 very affordable price. We ate some like super good authentic 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:34.200 Mexican food. Not every night. We brought a lot of 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.800 our own food, but I think she cooked her own, 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:40.240 like recipes. What three nights? What else do we have? 1:16:40.520 --> 1:16:45.479 How many tortosado? We had Italian one night and I 1:16:45.560 --> 1:16:48.680 put a tortilla in it and I brought down I 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:53.479 brought down um some fish jack and she cooked that 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:58.800 fish for ut treo trees or trees on eggs. Yeah, 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:03.240 she made it hunt rids of tortillas. So and she 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:08.320 made a big pot of which was amazing, feel like 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:12.560 good soup. And what else? We have Chili colorado the 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:16.679 first night? The trees though, which is really good dinner 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:24.439 and breakfast Papa yes, which is the same on both 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:30.400 sides of the border. Yeah, but there's some different. Yeah. 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:33.240 I think that's the fire. She fried him over a 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:43.200 huge fire outside. Well, okay, the fried potatoes fire fried potatoes. 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:48.360 But that was great because it really lets us to 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:54.400 focus on the hunting and the production. Yeah, really was. 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.559 Oh my gosh. I was like, why are we getting 1:17:57.560 --> 1:17:59.960 to bed so early? And it was because somebody was 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.200 here getting food ready by the time I got back. 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.160 And you'll be able to you'll be able to watch 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:09.639 and see we filmed it, and I presumably filmed beautifully. Dude. Yeah, 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:19.559 the kind of beautiful process of making to Molly's. Yeah, 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:22.400 to Molly production. It was a nice scene. You could 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:24.320 do it in a day, but it took to It's 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:27.679 something it really should be done over two days. Yeah. Yeah, 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:30.960 and we did it, uh like an outdoor kitchen area 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:35.839 over wood fire, a lot of it. Yeah, it's beautiful. 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:38.000 It's just I can't wait to put I think it's 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:39.840 gonna be a really cool scene. Man, It's gonna be 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:43.920 really cool scene. Karlyn is awesome, even though she didn't 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:47.240 say much. She's kind of like a cool like Grandma 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:51.559 style guide passing on the knowledge of to Molly making, 1:18:52.240 --> 1:18:55.639 which is good laborers. I think he appreciated it. Yeah, 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:59.840 she gave you the unskilled are laughing at us? Yeah, 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:03.120 all right, couple. Yeah. I had a long time ago, 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:08.120 had a bunch of musk ox meat and gave musk 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:12.840 ox meat to a Guatemalan woman. And our deal that 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:16.639 we struck was I would get half my musk ox 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:21.639 meat back into Molly's, which is a good deal because 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:23.439 you wanted to getting a bigger pile of stuff back 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:25.519 then you gave like I gave her like I think 1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:27.519 I gave her like twenty pounds of musk ox meat 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:32.560 and I got ten pounds, which is a ton of 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:37.320 to Molly's ten pounds meat. And I had wrapped them 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:39.360 all up and wrapped them all up and put in 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:42.200 my freezer and I just pull thettle suckers out and 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:46.080 eat them. They were good, even frozen, even you know, frozen, 1:19:46.120 --> 1:19:48.360 thawed and warmed up, We're wonderful. What's the best way 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:50.360 to warm it to Molly? Like reheat it to Molly. 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:52.559 I feel like what I was doing, if I remember, 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:55.519 I feel like I was sticking them in my oven. Mm. Well, 1:19:55.520 --> 1:19:57.000 I don't think I was micro and him. I think 1:19:57.040 --> 1:19:58.720 I was throwing him in my oven. I wrapped him 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:02.760 in foil, yeah, or just steam him again? Did we 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:08.439 steam him? Yeah? That's gonna be yeah, office, I might 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:10.479 even have to have another one before I go to bed. 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:17.760 I'll do it. I'll do oh yeah, night. Yeah. All right, Well, Rick, 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:21.400 what's your um? You know your clothing? Thought? Your concluded? 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:25.320 All right? You can go back to you can go 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:30.640 back to luring in ladies. No, No, this is that drone. No, 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:33.599 is that how much fun we had on the mountain. 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.320 I mean, it's been a while since I've worked on 1:20:37.400 --> 1:20:40.160 one of these, uh one of the shows. I was 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.400 busy this fall, so I sadly didn't get to go 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:47.240 on any of the adventures. I missed out on a 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:53.639 fog nack happily. Um. But the first hunt I filmed 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.560 it was Accous deer Hunt with Remy Warren. That was 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.600 your first foray into film and hunts. Yep, yep, it 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:03.519 was yeah, like I've never done it, and I thought 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:05.840 it sounds like it would be a good experience, But 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:08.439 I didn't realize that it would be. It would be 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:12.120 such a something that I look forward to, you know, 1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:15.360 regard it as lowly No, it's actually I think it's 1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:18.960 kind of in a lot of ways. It's like everything 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:22.559 that I like about filmmaking distilled into a very pure form. 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:25.280 Does it does it because because you come out of 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:29.719 nature documentaries and whatnot? Does it mean those dudes frown 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:32.840 on you? Does that community frown on you because you 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.920 go out? I don't know, do the savagery I don't. 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:38.560 I don't really check in. You don't you know what? 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:42.000 They don't care about their opinion on it. No, No, 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.760 I mean, yeah, I I feel like I'm more a 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:49.240 part of just a filmmaking or documentary community. And then 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:52.880 I have a niche, but I jump, I do a 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.920 lot of different things. But I feel that it's it's 1:21:56.000 --> 1:21:59.120 just a challenging thing to do to to document these 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:03.839 hunts in a way that conveys the aesthetic, the narrative, 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.280 everything you guys feel about the hunt. So there's just 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:09.920 a lot of complicated factors and you just have to hike, 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:15.360 hike and keep up. So which I enjoy, I mean 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:18.840 compared to a lot of the jobs I'm on. You know, 1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:22.439 if you're in hotels or you just feel pretty bad 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:27.000 at the end of every day, Like, yeah, you feel bad. 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:29.479 And at the end of these days you might feel tired, 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:32.479 but you feel like, I don't know, if you feel 1:22:32.520 --> 1:22:36.439 like super Yeah, more like you're on vacation than you're 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:41.720 at work. Dude. The other day, we did sorry, we 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:45.400 did the we did a hunt, successful hunt, came back, 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:50.880 did push up, little lunch break club, the Hondo Club. 1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:53.120 Everybody got to a Hondo and then we went back 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:57.280 out for an evening hunt, hiking all around. Yeah, and 1:22:57.320 --> 1:22:58.680 then if yeah, you feel better at the end. I 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.000 mean we're going to tu dear, just the whole, the 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:04.280 whole deal. I mean, accuse, you're easily one of my 1:23:04.360 --> 1:23:07.240 favorite animals to watch, or at least it's my favorite 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:11.040 hunt that I've filmed. I just really liked the process 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:16.519 glass and it's very there's a lot of patients involved. Yeah, 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:18.519 I'm just I was. I was happy to get to 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:23.080 come back, and it's this is my third goose deer hunt. 1:23:23.560 --> 1:23:26.479 So we're filming, you know which, but I feel like 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:30.559 I'm part of the part of the hunt itself. So um, yeah, 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:35.240 it was great. I really I really liked the just visually, Uh, 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:38.519 this part of Mexico is really beautiful and different than 1:23:38.600 --> 1:23:44.479 I thought. Uh every morning and every evening you get 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:49.400 just the yeah, great light really now a lot of 1:23:49.520 --> 1:23:53.479 lots and everything spiny, really cool plat, I mean, everything's 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:57.320 cool about it. Yeah. So we're glad you had fun, right, Yeah, 1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:00.400 I like coming along. Thanks. Thanks, And I mean and Cal. 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.519 You know, I got to hang out with Cal most 1:24:03.560 --> 1:24:06.559 of the time, and he brought him coffee every day, 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:09.560 so I've always had a warm cup. I mean it 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:11.360 just treats me. I mean in a lot of ways. 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.280 It's like it's a it's the relationship between a cameraman 1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:21.559 and whoever they're filming. It's this interesting dynamic, but especially 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.040 in a situation like this where I really am a 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:27.880 I'm non hunter, I don't really know what I'm like, 1:24:28.000 --> 1:24:31.040 I'm not expert. I've you know, I try. I do 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:35.760 my best. But having Cal being like, all right, we're 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:39.680 gonna do this, he's very patient, like explains the process 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:42.519 or and he does it both on camera to the 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:47.639 potential viewer but also to me, So I think he um, 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:50.800 I just really enjoy kind of being able to hang 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:53.680 out with somebody that it's kind of guiding me through 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:56.760 the process and hopefully that translates to good TV. Two. 1:24:57.240 --> 1:24:59.760 Uh and you know takes the viewer along for a ride. 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:03.719 But I enjoyed one around with Cal out there. Actually 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:08.160 mostly we just sat stared and you spotted some deer, 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:13.000 very few. I felt bad. I tried hard, but I 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:17.280 didn't have a tripod for my It was great. It's 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.120 super fun. Yeah, dude, I feel bad too every day 1:25:21.760 --> 1:25:24.400 we're not spotting there here. Yeah, you know, they're there, 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:27.280 that's what it's not. Yeah, they were there and I'm 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:29.320 just mitten not seeing them. But I know what I'm 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:32.720 saying is you're not alone. Even after a dozen of 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:36.040 you guys are good at it, I still feel that way. Yeah, 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:39.519 But I did like when you guys couldn't amongst one another, 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:41.920 because it happens to tell us, because we just don't 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:45.360 spend that much time behind binoculars, or maybe as much time. 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:48.400 Is when you couldn't find the animal that somebody else sees, 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:52.000 it gives me. It's not it doesn't give me pleasure, 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:55.840 but because I often feel that, like somebody else sees something, 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:58.240 I'm like, I just can I don't know where you're looking. 1:25:59.120 --> 1:26:01.920 You could explain very clearly where it should be, and 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:04.080 you just can't see it. What's what's happening there? A 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:09.280 lot of times the one that sees it catches the movement, yeah, 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.920 or catches it out in the open, right, and so 1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:15.120 then they got a lock on it, and then it 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:19.160 moves into a shitty spot yeah, and then other people, 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:21.960 like the original finder, it gets to the spot where 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:24.040 the original finder wouldn't be able to find it either 1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:25.760 if they didn't already know it was there, and then 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.560 it gets really frustrating. Yeah, But didn't happen to me, 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:33.120 But you thought what I'm saying because you want to 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:35.360 be like, well, okay, but he's kind of behind that 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.760 bush and you look, you'll see his foot sticking out. 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:41.000 It just something about once you notice something, it becomes 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:46.479 visually more obvious than But I like seeing that dynamic 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:49.760 unfold because you guys are all very good at spotting things, 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:51.880 and so when you get frustrated and not being able 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:54.560 to But I think you're specifically talking about because I 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:58.160 feel that way. Talking in Yeah, talking in the whole 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:02.720 process is just like I regard that as um, this 1:27:02.880 --> 1:27:06.320 is this is gonna sound bold, but I think that uh, 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:11.240 I regret that as one of my specialties talking people, 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.760 I feel that I'm I I feel that I do 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:15.680 a pretty good job of trying to talk people into 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:18.519 where I'm looking. You know why, because I take the time. 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:24.479 I take the time. I think Cal uh does some 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:31.040 big leaps. He doesn't walk you through every tree. I'm like, okay, 1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:33.880 and then there's that tree, and then if you immediately go, 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.960 then there's that tree. And then if you go six 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:40.320 o'clock from him, there's that bush. Cal's like, oh and 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:49.240 over one thing I would do more consistently. Is the 1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:53.400 is your o' clock method? O'clock is the only way 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:56.439 to play if you don't run, if you're not running, 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:59.519 center o' clock. To describe what we're talking about, you 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:01.040 see some they try and tell people where it is. 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:05.160 So I will I go to like a feature that 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:09.640 everyone would agree with start with, and it could be anywhere. 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:13.240 To start with something that everyone could agree with, like 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:18.600 that big, huge rocky peak and people like got it, 1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:22.639 and then work from there. Okay, it's a good meth 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:26.640 go towards seven o'clock. From there until you have an 1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:29.439 unfair advantage because you're such a you know, a natural 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:33.880 teacher and a patient. That does help. It does help, 1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:38.200 no frustration, mark what you got. If you had to 1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:42.920 take the whole like one thing, one thing from the 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:45.559 whole thing, what would that one thing be that has 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:48.640 to be my concluder. Yeah, it's kind of like the 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:50.280 spirit of concluders are you could come out of the 1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:51.800 left field. I don't know what you can talk about, 1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:57.200 Rick whatever, Well, well, my one thing is is kind 1:28:57.240 --> 1:29:00.920 of it's it's kind of two part I guess because 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:02.720 the one thing that struck me the most about this 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:07.240 what was so cool was the the taking of something 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:09.360 that's so familiar to me and that I'm so passionate about, 1:29:09.400 --> 1:29:14.000 white tail deer, so known to me, and then throwing 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:18.800 that into a situation in a landscape so unknown to me. 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:22.439 So seeing this this my my my favorite game animal, 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:24.599 without of doubt, white tail deer here in place that's 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:28.679 so foreign, um and new. Was was a lot of fun. 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:31.120 Everything was new about this, not just the place, but 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:34.479 also as we talked about, you know, this type of hunt. Um, 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:39.479 So that was really really fun, really interesting. Um. But 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:43.080 what it did leave me with was a desire to 1:29:43.160 --> 1:29:46.200 go back to a little bit of the familiar, which 1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:50.680 was I wanted to be closer to these animals. Like 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:53.080 one of the things I love about hunting white tails 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:56.800 back home is being yards from them and hearing them 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:59.800 and being afraid to move or make the slightest sound, 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:02.920 different things like that. So coming out of this, I 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.479 think the biggest thing I'm taking away is is how 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:08.400 awesome it was and how I want to try to 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:11.760 bow hunt one of these suckers someday People do it. Yeah, 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:14.920 just just feel like an entirely different approach. Yeah, it 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:18.639 would be so different, so difficult, but like this kind 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:21.400 of leaves me charged with wanting to try that someday 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:24.960 because it would just be neat to try to figure 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:27.240 out some way to slip in really close to one. 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:30.080 I think you'd want to get into a situation where 1:30:31.240 --> 1:30:33.280 you had a buck, you had like a like a 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:37.160 some of that running activity where you got a doll 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:39.600 and there's bucks chasing around, and just get down on 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:42.080 that zone and see what happens. Yeah, I think it's 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:44.800 I mean, like you said, certainly the wind getting that 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:46.760 zone and then just kind of try to just wait 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:49.720 and see what opportunities or if he moves. Yeah, you've 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:53.200 spent a lot of time having no idea where they 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:56.560 were because you're on their slope with them. Yeah, and 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:58.920 you might hear something, but it would be tricky. But 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.599 I mean, I don't you know people do it. Yeah. Well, 1:31:01.640 --> 1:31:03.960 it's like you know, the other day, after I shot 1:31:04.040 --> 1:31:06.360 my buck, you came up and we had seen this 1:31:06.439 --> 1:31:07.639 other deer, and then all of a sudden we heard 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:10.439 the deer grunting and he came right by us. I mean, 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:14.840 he must have been within yards probably, but you can 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:17.160 never see him. He was downslope enough and that the 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:19.519 brush was tall enough and he was small enough probably 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:22.960 that right there, probably within bow range, no idea that 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:25.160 where it was. Yeah, I had a bucket ten yards. 1:31:25.200 --> 1:31:29.120 We had to be jumping over a road going. He 1:31:29.200 --> 1:31:34.360 had a dainty, little bad it's a little little guy grunt. Yeah, 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.880 but so cool. And I just really appreciate you guys 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:38.639 having me along. I mean, this is like a once 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:41.960 in a lifetime opportunity probably for for me or a 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:45.639 lot of people. And man, I enjoyed its man something 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:49.639 of it. Yeah, hand has my kids call him Cahan, 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:55.600 Hey Cahan. Yeah, just a phenomenal trip, I guess. Observations 1:31:55.720 --> 1:32:03.759 just the um, the scale, like the grass isn't abnormally tall, 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:11.200 the the deer just short, like it's knee high grass. Um. 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:14.360 And I had I definitely had a hard time like 1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:20.320 making my brain put these these deer at the proper 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:27.800 scale over and over again. Um. And they're gorgeous creators. Um. 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:30.599 Really really had a good time. Really enjoyed the terrain, 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:35.600 real ankle breaking hills out here though, like all that 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:42.639 loose rock round rolling loose rock. Um U. I gotta 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:46.720 see a coati which was pretty hilarious. And that that 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:50.920 was a good Rick Smith we were hiking up the 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.200 road and he's like, oh, you know, I think this, 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:59.240 uh this poop here's a from a quality. Well, so 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:01.920 there's a couple that different ways to pronounce it. I 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:04.639 don't want to hash it out, go ahead anyway, It's 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:09.240 like a souped up raccoon monkey exactly, yes, thank you. 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:12.880 And uh. I was like, oh yeah, you know, I 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:15.080 saw one of those down on the yuk tan on 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:17.000 on the side of the road one time. You see 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.439 them out. They come out at night digging, like looking 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:25.840 around beach or shellfish and really cool. And uh, you know, 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:29.280 later on that day, we're sitting on this ridge, um 1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:33.439 getting out smarted by these cus deer bucks and I 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:38.320 stand up and look and uh, Rick was, you know, 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:40.960 always a tent of like Rick always was. So he 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:45.000 was locked in those binoculars down on the ground and 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:48.880 I was like, oh my god, like Rick, you're and 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:50.519 I couldn't remember the name, so I'm like, you know, 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:57.439 Mexican bush monkey, Rick, get up. Um. So that was 1:33:57.479 --> 1:34:01.040 super fun. It's just a great trip on all of it, 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:04.439 just odd observations. At this point, I'm getting kind of tired. 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:10.920 But the meat was fantastic. People were fantastic. I love 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:19.400 the the the pace of life. And and uh, Beto 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:23.040 and Carolina down here, we're huge parts of the trip. 1:34:23.320 --> 1:34:29.920 Carolina um and uh yeah, stellar crew. You know, one 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:32.320 thing that I always love about running around the woods 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:37.719 with photographer types is the fact they they like to notice. 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:41.680 It's their job to notice. Also, like all the all 1:34:41.760 --> 1:34:44.960 the good extra stuff. You know, it's not just the deer, 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:50.120 it's the sunrises, the sunsets, the big thorns, the um, 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:58.160 the bonus critters um and uh, that's really enjoyable, rich powder, 1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:04.120 Viva Mexico. Bro, that's all I gotta say. Loving it, 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:11.960 loving it. Sunsets, I mean it's fine, man. Yeah, you'd 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:16.559 like filming that sunset, dude. Sunsets down here. We're big 1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:22.559 throbbing drowner dude. Spiritual awakenings in those things. Man, they're crazy. 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:28.000 It's cool. It's really cool down here. Johnny's I think 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:31.519 that's what they called you at the border. Johnny's something 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:35.519 like that. No, actually, I think that the guy at 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:41.000 the ID wanna we got our tourists visa. I think 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:44.160 he actually pronounced it properly. No, man, I was standing 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:46.240 there waiting for him to pronounce it. Because I was 1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:55.200 excited about what would happen, he said. Johnny's mhm, yeah, anyway, 1:35:56.000 --> 1:36:00.639 I thought you did a better job than normal. Uh. Yeah, 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:03.760 I love cus here. What I like about it when 1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:06.320 I always leave, I like the fact that I still 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:10.120 feel like a real beginner at this thing and um 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:16.240 hunting them and uh it's great to have a a 1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:19.479 quarry out there that I'm unfamiliar with, and that every 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:22.120 time I come down for a hunt of like, I 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:25.880 feel really uh like like the odds are against me. 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:28.040 We see a lot of little box I think if 1:36:28.080 --> 1:36:30.519 you just didn't care, you know, what kind of buck 1:36:30.520 --> 1:36:33.040 you're gonna shoot, then I wouldn't feel that way because 1:36:33.040 --> 1:36:35.000 you probably could get that done in a couple of days. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:38.280 But if you set out to shoot something that's you 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:41.880 know whatever, a little bit bigger than average, older than average, 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:44.800 however you want to put it, it's uh, it's a 1:36:44.920 --> 1:36:48.760 real challenge and it's um not easy to do. And 1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:53.320 I like that. Yeah. I like that, like being uh 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:55.680 just to be just a beginner. It is the kind 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:58.320 of thing where you're you're thinking, like, oh man, next year, 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:01.479 I'm gonna because it since you never feel like you 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:04.639 gotta totally figured out. Yeah, I think we stayed down 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:08.599 here for two more weeks and guided you know, four 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:12.360 guys piece. That would add up pretty quick. Yeah, week 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:20.120 at a time here and there, and yeah, don't great, 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:24.200 it's instantly addicting. My favorite part of the trip was 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:28.040 honestly making the watching the tomall He's get made. That 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.320 was great. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you'd counter 1:37:31.439 --> 1:37:37.640 people in life, um that you're just not that that 1:37:39.880 --> 1:37:41.640 you know, you don't really know what their trip is, right, 1:37:42.360 --> 1:37:44.680 and they don't understand, like you don't really understand the 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:47.439 details of their life, and you don't and you don't 1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:49.360 understand the details of their life, and you're probably not 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:52.200 even equipped to understand the details of one another's lives. 1:37:53.240 --> 1:37:55.439 And then the language barrier makes it even that that 1:37:56.160 --> 1:38:00.479 you're especially not gonna understand the details of each other's lives. Um. 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:03.280 But it was like an empathy there, like like a 1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:06.360 human empathy or desire to connect. And it's just cool 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:09.600 to be able to spend a bunch of time with 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:14.640 someone and like learn some food preparation like that, and 1:38:14.840 --> 1:38:16.840 and it winds up being that you get you just 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:20.000 get the sense that like people are enjoying themselves and 1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:25.639 and feeling not entirely different, you know. And and that's 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:27.439 the kind of thing, like, you know, to be in 1:38:27.479 --> 1:38:30.320 a situation where you've it's a strange relationship to have 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:34.120 with someone, um, to make someone that you don't know 1:38:34.400 --> 1:38:36.920 and you you're you're down filming and so you hire 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:41.240 someone to do some cooking for you, um, and you 1:38:41.320 --> 1:38:44.120 can't talk really that that that well, it's just an 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:47.040 unusual relationship, right, It's like it's a relationship that that 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:50.240 tends to make me like that kind of relationship makes 1:38:50.240 --> 1:38:53.080 me uncomfortableoks. I feel like there's somehow like an unequal 1:38:53.200 --> 1:38:57.680 footing in some way. Um. But then to be able 1:38:57.760 --> 1:39:00.200 to hang out today doing that and watch someone do 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:04.360 something and and and uh like do it well and 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:07.600 do it very beautifully. I thought it was cool. It 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:09.479 was a nice I mean, I love the hunting. You know, 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:13.320 the hunting is great. Um, you know, come back many 1:39:13.400 --> 1:39:14.920 times to do it. We're already talking about come back 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:18.120 next year. But like those little connection points I think 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:20.880 are pretty cool. It would have been a completely different 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:25.280 trip without that, yeah, just would have been and kind 1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:29.040 of her relationship to you know, attitude about dear meat. 1:39:30.479 --> 1:39:34.360 It's a coveted thing. Yeah, you know it was awesome. 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:36.600 It was fun to watch. Man. Then just like the 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:42.920 no measuring cups, just everything by just eye of ball, 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:44.720 just like haven't done it and done it and done 1:39:44.720 --> 1:39:47.920 it and done it and done it and then um, 1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:51.400 a pair of hands that have seen a tremendous amount 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:58.920 of work, not specialized work work. Yeah, like work work. Yeah, 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:04.880 m hands like that don't just happen. No. I like 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:08.000 looking at all the guys, everybody's hands, they're all worth 1:40:08.160 --> 1:40:13.800 like a lot of time. Yeah, it's good man. It 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:16.960 sets your head right. Some trips kind of set your 1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:21.599 head right. You know, it's fun, all right, thanks for listening.