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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, Chris, you might revisiting a conversation

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Speaker 1: we had real quick, not at all. Uh Rich Pounder

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Speaker 1: and I were wondering, if you're eating an apple in

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Speaker 1: eat an apple, You finish your apple, why do you

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Speaker 1: You have to take it over to the trash. Can

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Speaker 1: you take the trash? You gotta open it and delicately

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Speaker 1: place it in. But when you're outside you just huck it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it feels good. But if you were standing where like

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Speaker 1: But you tried it and you didn't like it. The

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Speaker 1: just drop the apple core. But no, you're something about

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Speaker 1: not even eating an apple. Uh. People like throwing ship

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Speaker 1: and that's not why you throw a core. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean you're saying you don't know exactly why, but it

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Speaker 1: like how little kids come pre wired fear snakes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're prewired to distribute apple seeds. Yeah, just like

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Speaker 1: Of course? Uh? You know what's funny I'll point out, well,

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Speaker 1: god us talking about apple Core hawking was not an

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Speaker 1: apple Core damn bananippele m hm. Because you don't want

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Speaker 1: little space. Has anyone writing that you know ever slipped

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Speaker 1: Great story we heard dar night, and I think we

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Speaker 1: So a mug where you're having dinner with you dar

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Speaker 1: at night. D what's his name's hunter? And he kind

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Speaker 1: And I've seen that backfire lot, but not on this dude.

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Speaker 1: What was this dude's name, Ynni Hunter? Meek him? Need's

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Speaker 1: How many guys around. How do you guys used bumble

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Speaker 1: or have used bumble? I have Bridge Pounders used bumble? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: What's the moral of that story? Don't poach I to

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't judge. Man, you're not in the market.

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Speaker 1: You're not in the market. You're not out of the market.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely not out of there. I'm in the market.

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Speaker 1: He's here. He's lurking outside of the market. It's the

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Speaker 1: good king outside. Yeah, No, lurking lurks not good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's that's he's hovering. No, he's pathetically No.

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought this was a hunting. We're getting lurking. Um,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're gonna mention the little buck from your house.

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Speaker 1: find each other. Rick Smith Media, Rick Smith media slipping? No,

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Speaker 1: Rick's d MS? Oh yea honest, you're pretty much your millennial,

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Speaker 1: It's like you guys can't see it because you can't

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Speaker 1: and y'all should be mean. It's very good points an

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Speaker 1: fear fear. He has something interesting to say. Um talking

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Speaker 1: An Antler point restriction would be a regulation put in

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Speaker 1: It was good, um, but yeah, so Jay, I didn't

424
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: have no idea how time flies. But Jay said, this

425
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: is his twenty first year of doing this down here. Really, yeah,

426
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Jay Scott has glassed up the last time I asked

427
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: him this question, how many mountain lions he's ever glassed up?

428
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: The last time I talked to him, he was at

429
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: thirty two. It's like he spent so much time glassing.

430
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, look a through his binos or spot and

431
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: scopes his number. Now he's glassed up forty three. So

432
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: if you think you spent a lot of time out hunting,

433
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: add up how many mountain lions you've seen through your

434
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: binos and then consider that this man has glassed up

435
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: forty three mountain lions while looking for other jumps. Yeah,

436
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: if you're a Western hunters spent a lot of time

437
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: on the glass. This really wouldn't work for a do

438
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: that sits and tree stands. For a white tail, No,

439
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: you can wait a long time for mountainline to walk by.

440
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: But what Jay does? So Jay guides down. Jay guides

441
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: in Mexico. He guides elsewhere too, But he guides in Mexico,

442
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: and he guides for Gould's turkeys um and guides for

443
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Cou's deer. But also does give him give him the

444
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: give him the spiel, Ynny, you'll do a better job

445
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: of it. It's a he basically does like a d

446
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: I Y program for guys that want to come down

447
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: to Mexico and hunt Cou's deer, and so he the

448
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: hunt itself is completely d I Y. But he arranges

449
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: the ranch and then it helps with your paperwork for

450
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: crossing your firearms across the border, and then kind of

451
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: gives you, um, just lays out the whole process of

452
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: what it's going to take a cross the border going

453
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: both directions. But he'll basically secure a ranch and secure

454
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: deer tags for that ranch, and then um, you buy

455
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: those through j you know, but the ranch provides them.

456
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: And then he basically uh helps you get your firearm

457
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: permit for Mexico and then gives you like a real

458
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: clean rundown of like this is what you need if

459
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring a vehicle across the border. You need

460
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: the insurance and a letter that says that you're the

461
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: owner has had to then number this stat and the

462
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: other and then gives you real clear directions and he

463
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: also offers I think, um like what we call fixers

464
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: or like and translators like they can be at the

465
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: border to meet you, to help you through that process

466
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: to get you to your ranch. And once you have

467
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: to ranch, you on your own and it's like you're

468
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: it's like you have you it's like having a chunk

469
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: of national it's not national force because very much privately

470
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: owned land. But it's like it's like when you CROs

471
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: us the border and come down in here, not that

472
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: far man, it's like you've gone back like a hundred

473
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: years back in time, huge ranches. People still work cattle

474
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: on horseback. It's great, mon. I mean, I had a

475
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: very different idea of how this trip was going to

476
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: be when um I got the offer to jump on

477
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, this whole situation is really fantastic. And the

478
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: folks um that we've had helping us out here at

479
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: at the Rancho um are great. And it's just kind

480
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: of like it's nice watching uh and being around folks

481
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: who are living simply and um, you know, I kind

482
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: of feel like a bum because they were working, but

483
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, while we're tramping the hills. But it's it's

484
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: is nice. It it's kind of kind of relaxing. Oh yeah, man,

485
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: caught loose on like caught loose, winding around like a

486
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: giant chunk of property. Yeah, got a bunch of deer

487
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: hiding out in the mountains in it. Yeah, and it's

488
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: it's just been It's great too, because it's not like

489
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: you're not like walking down to some or not even

490
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: walking in some cases. You're not just like stepping out

491
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the door and looking at some center pivot that's fully

492
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: irrigated and chuck chuck chucking away and there's deer living

493
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: in there night and day. And um, you know I

494
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind having a spot or two like that. Well,

495
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't see any of the ranch, you know.

496
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been awesome because, um, you definitely

497
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: got to do some exploring and and checking out new stuff,

498
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's been great. It's been great. It's funny back

499
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: home hunting white tails. When you talk about a property

500
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: you can hunt. You know, if I said I got

501
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: a big property to hunt, I'd be like a hundred

502
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: fifty acres two acres. I would be really excited about that.

503
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: When you're talking about this kind of scale we have

504
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: out here, like you said, it does feel like national forest.

505
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: It's vast, it seems unending almost tens of thousands of

506
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: acres completely undeveloped, like all day never cross the border. Yeah, completely,

507
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: like just like not developed. It's just a different it's

508
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: just different. The way you hunt Cousier. As you get

509
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: up this is the This isn't the way it has

510
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: to happen. But typically you get up on the kind

511
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: of the biggest highest peaks around it you can find,

512
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and um, and you have to just watch the surrounding

513
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: hillside is very very very carefully extremely hard to pick up.

514
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: The brush is tall and the animal is small. And

515
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: it like, for me, one thing uh that really struck

516
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: me and something that I had to kind of like

517
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: recalibrate my brain over and over again too, is um

518
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: was it when when any animal stands out in the

519
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: wide open, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, there he is,

520
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: and they seem like bigger than life. But when they're

521
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: in that brush, these things are so small that UM.

522
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Free handing my binoculars at often many times throughout this hunt,

523
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: free handing my binoculars would be frustrating to the point

524
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: where I thought it was pointless, Like I had to

525
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: have them on on the tripod because so many times

526
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: I like looked at a deer and the only reason

527
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: that I caught it was because of the motion of

528
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: the deer. And that could be like the chin moving

529
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: as it's chewing its cut, like little white flashes from

530
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: its chin moving, or just an ear flicker, or you know,

531
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: maybe in a generous way, it'd be like a big

532
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: white tail given a flap um. And so if your

533
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: binoculars were moving at all, you know, at yards um,

534
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss that little bit of motion. It was

535
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: just amazing at like, I had a hard time giving

536
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: them the credit that they would due as far as

537
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: their ability to disappear. Yeah, go ahead, well, I was

538
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna say. And then to compound on that, if you

539
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: were to somehow you know, well, if even if you

540
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: had him on tripod, if you bumped them or in

541
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: any way left that singular focus on that little bit

542
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: of movement, you almost never find it again. So if

543
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: you're handheld, you're stuck. Yeah, that's a good point, because

544
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: you look at it like a sea of brushy slopes.

545
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: And oftentimes you'll be sitting there with you with your

546
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: bodies at your hunting with and you'll be like, oh,

547
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 1: got one, and they'll be like where like I can't,

548
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't, I can't tell you, I don't know, I

549
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: don't want. I can't take my eyes off it to

550
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: get the context, and you can't. You know that the

551
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: minute you move your eye to figure out where it is,

552
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: that your binoculars are centered on it in order to

553
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: explain it that something's gonna happen, You're gonna lose track

554
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: of the deer. It's like the world's best game of

555
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Where's waldo? Oh. It's fun, but it's like it's they

556
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: just vanish. Then you see him and oftentimes you like

557
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: catch them and you never catch him again. He went

558
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: into that never mind and you never see him again,

559
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: and we're hunt him during the rut. So you and

560
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: you don't even watched two Dear Make Love. That's the

561
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: second time I've seen that happened this year. I was

562
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: commenting on the strong oral component. Yes, said love making

563
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: a lot of beforehand. After Yeah, you k that needs

564
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: to be further defined. I don't want it to find

565
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: we got down family. It's a family program. Uh, there's

566
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: two like there's two things. And you know I've heard

567
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: uh guys like big white tail guys talking to you. Mark,

568
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: You're the kind of the main one I know, um

569
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: talking about bucks being locked down. Yeah, lockdown being that

570
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: that there's a period like in the breeding cycle when

571
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: you can't find any big box because the big box

572
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: are just standing there. Body, don't you're not doing anything.

573
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: They're just hanging out with the dough and man like,

574
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: we saw two kinds of buck activity box that were

575
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: just moving so fast and so much that it was

576
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: like you couldn't go get him if you wanted them,

577
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: because they just come in and out of your life.

578
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, well, there is you kind of where you

579
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: watch him, you losing me, watching me lose me, watch

580
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: me losing in precent his way the hell down the

581
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: hill and he's gone and he's just gone. Or you

582
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: catch a glimpstom and he goes into some giant sea

583
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: of brush and never comes back out and he's gone

584
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: out of your life. But then the ones we got, no,

585
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's not really true. Yeah, So the

586
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: best opportunities were bocks that were that were so intensely

587
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: focused on a single dough that they would allow We

588
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: watch one today that would go twenty minutes not moving

589
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: his feet and not taking a bite to eat. But

590
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: just stand there for twenty minutes and watch a dough

591
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: feed ten twenty yards away from him, and like all

592
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: that's on his mind is standing there. They like to

593
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: be a little higher standing, and SE's like they like

594
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: to be a little teeny bit higher than the dough

595
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: and just stand there and stare at her. He was

596
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: a very it was very familiar white tailed behavior in

597
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: that regard. That seemed like something that makes sense. You

598
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: saw some number of bucks cruising, which was that first

599
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: behavior you talked about, just moving around trying to find

600
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: that dough. And then when a buck did have a doll,

601
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: sometimes several bucks all trying to be close that doll.

602
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: But typically there's that one that is with a doll

603
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: that's ready to breed. You have that lockdown phenomena. And yeah,

604
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean we all I think saw situations like that.

605
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Their patients is kind of amazing or whatever. It is

606
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: their focus, especially when you get a look at the

607
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: parasite load on these things. Yeah, they have dozens of

608
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: per I think if you looked at a patch of

609
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: their hide three inches by three inch, twenty or so ticks,

610
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: you look around the bald spot just around their anus,

611
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: the hairless patch around there, crawling with ticks. They have

612
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: nasal bots living in the back of their throat that

613
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: could be the size of like the end of your pinky.

614
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: Their fore legs are perforated with cactus thorns and all that,

615
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: and they can stand there staring at a lady. I

616
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: think we've all been there. I don't. Oh man, that's

617
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Yeah, focused on the press markets crabs,

618
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: but you know that bucks thinking the exact same thing

619
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: we're thinking when we're looking through the spatting scope for

620
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: the binoculars though, right, He's like, man, if I take

621
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: my eyes off of her, I may never see her. Yeah,

622
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: he knows he's gonna lose her. Yeah, it's kind of

623
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: It's kind of become one of my favorite types of hunting.

624
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Those the hunt COO's dear man. I loved every minute,

625
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: like and never I never had a moment where I

626
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: was like, God, I hope I filled this tag. It

627
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: was always like, well, this goes on another day. I'm

628
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: all right with that. Yeah, what what I think happened

629
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: with the with the buck you got? The first time

630
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: I've ever seen it happen with a couisier I think,

631
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: is uh kind of stumbling into a buck, yes, very much,

632
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: went up to a glass and knob and then found

633
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah. And you know what's extremely unique about

634
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: that for me is ah, I can count on one

635
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: hand the amount of times I've filled my tag before

636
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: everybody else in camp has filled their tag, like I

637
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: always mostly by choice, and the last person to fill

638
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: my tag. It's kind of where I feel more comfortable,

639
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: I think, mostly from growing up doing the guiding thing.

640
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: But Steve had purposely walked away without his gun, without

641
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: more binoculars, and and we saw it. But I wasn't.

642
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't considering myself to be up anyway. Well that

643
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, I mean to me, I was thinking in

644
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: my mind, I was you were up. It helped my

645
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: decision making so so much because you had your your

646
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: toilet tree hit in your hand. I was going over

647
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: to find a rock that I was going to flip

648
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: over and then do some something, then flip that rock

649
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: back over on top of it and come back and

650
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: check on y'all. And I was just it was like

651
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the perfect the perfect green light for me because I

652
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well this isn't even an argument

653
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: at this point because my inclination would have been like, Steve,

654
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: get your gun. No, I would have said no, no, no, no, no, no,

655
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I ain't just attest to what an amazing the stealthy

656
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: crew you get to run around with seven en of

657
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: us just waltz right up to two yards and they

658
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: were able to film at all. It's hard to using

659
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the hand signals all day and being non verbal and

660
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: sneaky like that. You spotted him too, didn't you. It's like,

661
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: as soon I remember, as soon as we got up there,

662
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, the eagle. Why do I think

663
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: we call him the eagle? Dude? You cannot mess with

664
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: the eagle. Why do you think he gets the work

665
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: here because he's the eagle. It's not because his sass,

666
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: it's not. We don't keep him for his sass? What

667
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: about his What about his shoulders? Yes, the big beefy

668
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: shoulders helps a lot. His lack of verbosity, um right now,

669
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: is not helping him. But the eagle. How many words

670
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: one uses? But um, the eagle is the eagle? Man

671
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: like a very if you said he gave me a

672
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: very verbose explanation, be like a little lots there, yeah,

673
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: lots there, lots there loquacious one that when he does strike,

674
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: he strikes. Now with Mark's buck, Marks buck, we spotted

675
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: up some bucks. So that was a non trad CU's dear.

676
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: That was a non Tradu's deer. That was the first

677
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: time I've seen that happen. It was the first time

678
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: in the my buck last year that way. No, yeah,

679
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: last year last year with John and I John snow

680
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: and I forgot about last year. M hm, yeah, but

681
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, you weren't. So the ones I've been

682
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: in on, I've never seen a play out where um,

683
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: it's always played out where you see it far off

684
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: and then have to do some things to get over

685
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: and getting to get a crack at it. The ones

686
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I've been in on, which is a good handful. Um,

687
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: it was the first of my scene where we where

688
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: we actually kind of came on, came upon one Marx

689
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: was more classic cousier situation. YEA spied him from about

690
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and then you have the work downhill

691
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: and get you know, yards closer. Yeah, first time I

692
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: ever done anything like that, because I think it's telling Yanni.

693
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: I've never muled deer, hunted, never cous deer hunted. I've

694
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: only ever both hunted five percent of the time for

695
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: white tails, occasionally us a shotgun muzzle loader to shoot

696
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: the hundred yard shots max. So this is way outside

697
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: of my ballpark of of experience, and it was all

698
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: the all the hunting this guy's done. That was the

699
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: longest shot he's ever taken. Oh yeah, and the longest

700
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: shot before that was my shot last year on the

701
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: care Boo. So you guys have stretched and prior to

702
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: that it was probably nine yards, so you guysn't really

703
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: stretched me. Um when it comes to firearms. Was just good.

704
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, we spotted that bucket a thousand yards or

705
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: so and decided that we thought he was a shooter.

706
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: And uh, Yanni and myself and and Seth went tearing

707
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: down the hill and went down the steep canyon at

708
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: about three yards, came up to this little rise at

709
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: the bottomless valley. There's a small kind of knoll, and

710
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: we got to the top of that rise shooting up,

711
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: shooting up, and uh, can I interject real quick? I

712
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: want to point out an important part of who's your hunt.

713
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: When you're watching a cou's doing, you're thinking like you're

714
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna go after it. That's great, you found a buck,

715
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna go after it. But the tricky question is

716
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: what we're exactly you're gonna go because it doesn't really work. Generally,

717
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't work to get on his slope. You gotta

718
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: find a little perch or something where you can shoot

719
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: over into his area, like some kind of train feature

720
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: where you might plausibly like get there and look into

721
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: his brushy little zone. You can't get on his his

722
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: not that you can't, but typically would not work to

723
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: get on his slope in this bout set up perfectly

724
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: in that way because you had a little perch, had

725
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: a shooting shooting shooting up. Yeah, And the other thing

726
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: that's important to point out. I think that it was

727
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: a thing I learned from this trip was the importance

728
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: of before taking making that stock, you really need some

729
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: reference points locked in as far as where you saw

730
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: that dear last, because you're gonna lose it. You change perspective,

731
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: really flips them's around. So so we remember seeing that

732
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: there's a really thick patch of junipers, especially thick on

733
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: this hillside, and so we remember I remember seeing the

734
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: buck in the dough in that on the the right

735
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: side of that thick patch last. But then it was

736
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: actually Seth who had made the very most important reference

737
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: point was the fact that we had last seen the

738
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: buck and Do next to a tree with a very

739
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: unique white circle on it. So when we ended up

740
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: getting back to that shooting knob, we found the thick

741
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: patch of junipers, and then we could narrow down our

742
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: point of focus even further by looking for that tree

743
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: with the white circle on us. So we really could

744
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: zero it on where they were last, and they were

745
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: very locked down, like we were talking about earlier, they

746
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: hadn't moved very much at all, and we had come

747
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: up with a little We had come up with a

748
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: very rudimentary signaling system using Yanni's Blaze Orange How to

749
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Go to Do Your Bandana UM available at the mediator

750
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: dot com currently out of stock, I believe, but coming

751
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: back in stock soon. UM a little signaling system where

752
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: if need be, like we agreed that if I didn't

753
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: do anything, that meant nothing had changed into if I

754
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: can interject, I kind of wished that there was another

755
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: say know that we had had, which meant we're not

756
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: trying here. We were getting that from you many times

757
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: when we looked at you, but we were not sure

758
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: if you were just doing that because you didn't see

759
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: us I got bored, or if you were doing it

760
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: because the deer was still doing what was supposed to do.

761
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I got you. So we need some kind of confirmation

762
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: that you actually saw us and realized that we were

763
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: asking for the update. There's no update. Yeah, buck hadn't moved,

764
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: but we need to confirmation. So I'm perched up watching

765
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: the buck from afar and you're coming in. And our

766
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: agreement was if I don't do anything, there's nothing you

767
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: need to know for me. If if not, I was

768
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: going to take a orange bandin and tied to a

769
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: pole and uh point from my perspective what direction the

770
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: deer went on the face of the slope, but never

771
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: needed to do it. So, you know, I look back

772
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: at your handful of times and you were doing anything.

773
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: So the assumption was the deer was still in there,

774
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: just a dead stair on my face, Yeah, that's what

775
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: it was. And came up to the top of that

776
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: first knob, creeped up. Really we crawled to the top

777
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: of that knob, but it was about three yards I

778
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: think at that point, and just could not see anything.

779
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: Just we we We stayed there a good decent bit

780
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty minutes at least, maybe even more

781
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: glass and glass and glassing, but no movement. Um. So

782
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: finally we could see that there was still more of

783
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: that ridge that was hidden by the furthest edge of

784
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: our glassing knob. There's a slight rise and we just

785
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: couldn't see beneath that, and so we assumed, then, if

786
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: this box is still in there, it's got to be

787
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: beneath the rise. So we had to make a final

788
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: like seventy yard creep, and finally decided to do that.

789
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: We crept in, got right to the kind of highest

790
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: point of that little rise, got down on hands and knees,

791
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: and and that's when I spotted the dough. It stops glass,

792
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: see the dough. Um kind of made a game plan

793
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: for what we're gonna do next. Knew that there must

794
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: be the buck somewhere nearby. And Um, then I spotted

795
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: the buck not too far away in the brush like

796
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: just you know, thick junipers and whatever other junks down there, ok,

797
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: oak um, And I remember, in the first fleeting glance

798
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: of him, I remember thinking it doesn't quite look like

799
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the buck we saw originally, and they turned to you.

800
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if it's the same buck.

801
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: It looks like at shorter times. But then he moved

802
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: off and crawled further and kind of got in position

803
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: to where I could get a shot in that general

804
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: are So we got positioned looking for them again, looking

805
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: for them again, and then I'm like, hey, I got

806
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: the buck again. I could see this buck standing underneath

807
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: that exact tree we had referenced earlier, the strange white

808
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: circle tree. He was right there underneath that tree again

809
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: in the shade in the tangle. And I just remember saying, hey,

810
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a buck and arrange him two thirty yards so

811
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: within range, and uh, I'm looking at him and he's

812
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: dark handlered, and he's seemed wide ish. I just could

813
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: not see time length, and I'm thinking to myself, God,

814
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: I think this buck had longer times we saw earlier.

815
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I don't know this bucks in range. Um. I can't

816
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: remember if we looked back. I think Seth was trying

817
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: to get a camera on it, and we asked him, like,

818
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: can you see him? Is he look Is it that buck?

819
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: And he's he's like, I just shoot it. If it

820
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: was me, and everything was kind of lined up. You know,

821
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: it worked out well for the crew with the audience

822
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: seth were there and it was my first cuse deer

823
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: buck and pretty sweet. So I got settled on him,

824
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: and like you know, like you mentioned earlier, that was

825
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: my longest shot ever on a on an animal. So

826
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: I took my time getting really settled in nicely and

827
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: had a bipod on the rifles set in my backpack

828
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: and put a patternneath my right elbow and just slowed

829
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: it down as best as I could. Um took the

830
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: shot well as funny as I was watching the other

831
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: buck through a spot and scope on a pretty narrow well,

832
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: we haven't yet pointed out the fact that this was

833
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: not the original It doesn't matter, which is funny that

834
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, okay, so go on. Well yeah, so

835
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: the point being that the buck I end up shooting

836
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: was not the original one was not what was not

837
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: the one I was watching to see what it would do.

838
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: But I'm staring at it through a spotting scope, the

839
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: one that we had always been looking at, and I

840
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: hear a shot and all of a sudden, the bark

841
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: runs into my field of view and through my spotting

842
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: scope and within a second falls over dead right in

843
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: front of the buck I've been watching for all that time,

844
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: and that buck seemed to not care about that at all.

845
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: But then she got like, yo, he had kind of

846
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: had an attitude like that bettered him to me. And

847
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: then he went up and over top of the ridge

848
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: and out of our lives. I don't know how we

849
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: never saw that other buck, because you said it was

850
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: so close, right, I can't see anything, man, confusing. We

851
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: talked about when he grunted right beneath us there yet

852
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff happened, but we couldn't see him.

853
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: But just because he was like the same reason we

854
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: couldn't see the other deer before we moved. I think

855
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: it was just below, yeah, the plane that we could see. Yeah.

856
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: I feel bad too, man, because I was so badly

857
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: wanted to help out and like look and stuff, but

858
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I was running a camera and I'm always so torn,

859
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: and I always rather just throw that camera in the ditch,

860
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: just glass and be like there he is, don't you

861
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: shoot whatever, But man, I gotta sit there and try

862
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: to get my coverage. It's tough, man. You did good work. Well.

863
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I guess that's Mark's

864
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: hunt might and be included in the episode. We'll see.

865
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: It was the first the first hunt you filmed. No, no,

866
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: how long has it been since you a little bit?

867
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: This fault hunt? Yeah with Mark? Actually was that with you?

868
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: That was you? And I oh yeah yeah, and then uh,

869
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: I do a little bit here and there, and I

870
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: think he did another one. You pick up a camera

871
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: pretty often, but I feel you on the like not

872
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: being able to look and see what's going on. I mean,

873
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: and I want, I often want to see what's happening,

874
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm just stuck in the lens of my camera,

875
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: like I'm not I don't see where the animal is.

876
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't get to pull out my binoculars. So it's

877
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: all like almost imaginary. Everybody's really excited about something I'm

878
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: not looking at. I'm like looking in the opposite direction, dude.

879
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: But this trip, I was like, normally I'm like super

880
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: super excited to shoot, and I was you had to

881
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: film Yeah, good clarification, m But like normally we'll film

882
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: as every like hunter is getting into getting settled and

883
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: pulling out their binoculars, and I just wanted that part

884
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: to get done so then I could sit down, put

885
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: out my binoculars and start looking around. You spot it

886
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: up a couple of deer, Yeah, I'll get a lot better. Yeah,

887
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: but a lot yeah more on this trip and Sid

888
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: he still had mama's milk on your lip when we

889
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: picked you up, dude, the first thing talking about that today,

890
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: nice old game spotter. Uh yeah. The buck I got

891
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: was kind of like real standard sort of who's deer situation?

892
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: There was. I think there's a good example in there though,

893
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: because I was thinking about it because um the terrain, Um,

894
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: your buck was locked lockdown when we took off. But

895
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: we did a lot of walking and sneaking and trying

896
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: to get around for for quite a while. Yeah. You

897
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: go way the hell out of your way to try

898
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: to eventually wind up in a spot where you're in

899
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: his zone without him knowing you got into his zone. Yeah,

900
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: and and really didn't shave off, you know. I think

901
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I arranged him before when we made the decision to go,

902
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: and it was like five hundred and eighty four yards

903
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: and then twenty minutes of hiking around and sneaking, we

904
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: were at five hundred and forty four yards. Like we

905
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: just we did a lot of moving around to try

906
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: to get to a spot where we could close distance.

907
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: And then um and we weren't. We weren't effectively narrowing

908
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: down that yardage. And then once we got in there,

909
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: um it. You know, it was a great stock, great

910
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: hunt because there's always that apprehension of like, oh man,

911
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: this this cannot work out, this cannot work out because

912
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: of the angle. Once we in order to it was

913
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: that yard is down to a comfortable shooting situation. Um

914
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: it made the angle to the buck very difficult, made

915
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: it a very difficult killing situation, even though it was

916
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: within effective range. And this is kind of for a

917
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: lack of a glass of a shooting knob, right, I

918
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: bet you found a shooting nob. Though we had to

919
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: poke and pride to find a knob. They would let

920
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: you look up into his little spot there. There's a

921
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: lot going on with there too. At one point you

922
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: guys had KU's deer, have len and a coyote. Yeah,

923
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: me and Seth were we stuck back and glassed from

924
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: the original distance. And yeah, that that buck the unit

925
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: up shooting was locked down with the doll. Four other

926
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: bucks were kind of circling trying to move in on

927
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: that doll, and it was pretty cool as that year

928
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: buck would run one of those bucks off, run off

929
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards and then storm right back to the doll,

930
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: make sure she was still there, and then he'd run

931
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: off with the buck run right back. Um, and then

932
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: you have have linings came passing right through, maybe twenty

933
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: yards beneath at one point, right around the same time

934
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: the coyote trolled through in that buck stated right next

935
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: to the dough. They you can see all the deer,

936
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: just their eyes following that coyote the whole path he took,

937
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: and then he left and then it was right back

938
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: to the doll. It's kind of a fun little wildlife

939
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: watching situation I had there while you were talking in

940
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing that at least I won't see that footage

941
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: until who knows long time from now. Yeah, and then

942
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, that's right, that was cool a

943
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: couple of months now. I always like it's fun to

944
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: have that stuff. Um, people be like, hey, did you

945
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: take in your any photos from your trip? Like I

946
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: took a TV show on my trip, must be nice.

947
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: That was a very fun hunt, though, that was a

948
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: good one. Who wants to be in charge of talk

949
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: about how you make tomorle hold on? Aren't you guys

950
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: say about tell everybody how you got to shoot my

951
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: buck for me too? You go ahead and tell that story.

952
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: You just not like say anything you call go ahead.

953
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to say things. It's tired. Everybody's I'm looking

954
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: looking a lot of it's just a lot of other

955
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: folks talking um. But no. After Steve shot his buck,

956
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: Steve and Chris walked up the hill to go retrieve it,

957
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: find it, recover it, and uh, callen ire waiting down there,

958
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: and I forget did you just look up and go, oh,

959
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: there's another buck standing out there? It was it was

960
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: just locked in place, but did you see it? There

961
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: was chasing the dough, two bucks chasing that dough. And

962
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: then yeah, and then I another buck like bombed in

963
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: and they eventually chased the dough and right through where

964
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: your buck expired. Steve's buck expired, and I was kind

965
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, hopefully one of these dear

966
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: isn't Steve's buck that just magically got up and ran away.

967
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, then that buck was down there in the

968
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: peripheral view. He just showed up. I don't know. A

969
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: woman in the market spotted him earlier in the same buck. Anyways,

970
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: he standing in there looking down at us and in

971
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: our from what from our point of view, it looks

972
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: like he's thirty yards to the left of Chris and

973
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: Steve and you guys are up there making television. So

974
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: Steve's not talking in a quiet voice. He's doing his thing,

975
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: recovering the animal. And uh, finally you guys get done

976
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, and Steve yelling is yelling down

977
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: on us like, hey, come on up here. You weren't

978
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: what were you yelling on the side of we did

979
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: we got a whoop or something like that? Yeah, you

980
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: got our attention. Okay, well a voice from up did

981
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: I have occasion to go? Who not? Typically not time.

982
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I do remember cal you up. You guys might have

983
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: heard us talking, because when you're like, when we were

984
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: up there, you could we were projecting pretty loud going

985
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Probably not whoop. I don't remember a whoop, but he

986
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: that might have been me. Actually, hey, it might have

987
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: been me. All of a sudden, you guys, are you

988
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: guys recovered? Recovered? You made a little tide a little

989
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: scene and then and then, and then I remember hearing

990
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: cal being like, hey, can you guys take a couple

991
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: of steps to your left or whatever, to the north

992
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: or whatever? You said, go north? I went south. Yeah,

993
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: go north. We went the robe specified a hundred yards

994
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: and started yelling because you guys didn't have a radio,

995
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: We just started yelling, we have a bucket two some yards.

996
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: You guys are t hundred yards and yards from the

997
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: buck and we're going, hey, can you move a couple

998
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards to our right? And you yell back why,

999
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: We're like, well, there's a deer up there. Ya. He's

1000
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna shoot him if you guys can walk like way

1001
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: to hell off of that slope. So that's so we did.

1002
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: You guys didn't, and the bucks stood there through the

1003
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: whole thing. Conversation is like, well, boy, it's nice buck,

1004
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: it's right there. This would be you know, we only

1005
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: have so much time to uh, you know, fill the tag.

1006
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if I just yell at those

1007
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: guys and he stays there, kind of kind of gotta

1008
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: take him, right, Yeah, we figured be worth a try, right.

1009
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: We figured since we started yelling, you know, the buck

1010
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: would just scatter leave the hill. But it's hard to

1011
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: imagine what was what was going on with him. Yeah,

1012
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: I think that dough was just he knew he was

1013
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: the second biggest buck on the slope. It was batter

1014
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: up time for him because the first biggest buck was

1015
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: out of the equation and those two smaller bucks were

1016
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: now chasing that dough. But you and Pounder, we're in

1017
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: between him and that dough. And he was like, really,

1018
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: he found himself in a very contemplative situation. He did

1019
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: not move a muscle. No, no, it isn't really interesting though,

1020
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen this before. Obviously, since I've never been

1021
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: in a situation like this. We were watching someone shooting

1022
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: an animal from a DC and bit away, but we

1023
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: I was glassing this whole thing, watching it through my

1024
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: binose and both with your bucks, Steve and Janice. I

1025
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: saw the deer react to the bullet before I heard

1026
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: the gunshot go off. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, that

1027
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: was cool. I was like, oh, what's he doing and

1028
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: then boom, yes that yeah, yeah, they're just still over. Well,

1029
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: neither of them fell over. Yeah, my shot wasn't quite

1030
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: on the mark, missed him just the hair right. I

1031
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you. I shouldn't tell what went on in there, man,

1032
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: because one shoulder was completely just annihilated to the point

1033
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: where I didn't even bother trying to trim me. Well,

1034
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: we took the shank, that's how much was good at

1035
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: It was still, you know, edible, and there was a

1036
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: hole going into the body cavity on the inside of

1037
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: that shoulder. But anyways, the thing wasn't quite ready to die.

1038
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: So Steve walked over to it and UH had to

1039
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: sort of run it down, chasing downhill. Yeah, finally got

1040
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: one in its neck, killed it. Dream one's ready to

1041
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: talk about Tomores. I like that Gray Fox. Oh that

1042
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: was cool. Fox Like, I like asking the boys up

1043
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: down here about running the jaguars, which happens. Yes, yes,

1044
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: it does happen. Jay said, we would have probably seen

1045
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: the mountain lion that didn't end up happening. I didn't

1046
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: see mountainlin I didn't even cut a track. Yeah, I

1047
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: saw one maybe kind of mushed track of a line.

1048
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: The impression these guys run these cats like if they

1049
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: hear of a cat, one of these uh Vakiras sees

1050
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: one sees a track or something that whoever they know

1051
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: what dogs is gonna run that thing. They got a

1052
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: stuffed one here, kind of I don't know if you

1053
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: call that even a stuff one, but very like Bay,

1054
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: it's an attempt at tax during we have a lion

1055
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: outside there. Um Yeah, to Molly's. So we made so

1056
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: today we made venison to Molly's yesterday and today with

1057
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: guidance from Carolina. Yes, uh, we took four shoulders for

1058
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: chunking neck. And keep in mind accou'sti your buck only ways.

1059
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, hun pounds and these things are lean,

1060
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: unreal lean gen right now, man, they look like greyhounds

1061
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: because they've been rutting for a while. I think they

1062
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: must have. I think we're kind of towards the tail

1063
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: end of the They got no fat on him. Imagine

1064
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: taking a rolling pan and smashing out a chunk of

1065
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: Wrigley spearmint and gum and laying it out, smoothing it

1066
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: out flat. That piece of gum that is now flat

1067
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: after it's been chewed a little bit around. No, I'm saying,

1068
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: right out of the rapper and just smashed that thing out.

1069
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: That's how much fat my buck hat on it. I

1070
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: was amazed, you know, the fat. They get around like

1071
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: inside their pelvis like a kidney fat and stuff. A

1072
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: couple of little mini globs of fat there, you know,

1073
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: in the lower like in the lower digestive like outside

1074
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: of the lower digestive digestive track, you'll find like some fat.

1075
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: He had some fat there, some fat around his kidneys.

1076
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: Nobody fat the one I got, the one we skinned out.

1077
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: Were you skinned with me? Yea in between the anus

1078
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: and like the end of the tender one right there.

1079
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: Get some fat there, but nothing on the top of

1080
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: his not lick. And when they're landed, they look like

1081
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: it's like it's looks like a greyhound land there. Yeah,

1082
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: just amazed. Just man. They work hard. They don't eat.

1083
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: The bucks don't eat when they're rutting. I was worried

1084
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: the beat was gonna taste that good. I was. I was.

1085
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: I thought for sure it'd be tougher in hell, like

1086
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: a poor condition or something. But oh, go ahead, Well,

1087
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna add. I believe I'm right on this number.

1088
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: That white tail deer up in my neck of the woods.

1089
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: The number that I heard is that a bucked her

1090
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: in the rut up there can lose up to thirty

1091
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: of their body weight, no ship who somewhere in there

1092
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: give a take. That's amazing. That's like me hunting doll sheet.

1093
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: How much you lost? Uh? So we took four full

1094
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: front quarters, so four front legs, boned out neck meat.

1095
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: What else were throwing there? We'll cook some tongue the

1096
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: night before, real crispy little tongue, little crispers. What would

1097
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: you call those? I think just cilantro, white onion and

1098
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of lime in there, like tongue cracklings. That's

1099
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: a different meal. But we took uh, four deer quarters

1100
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: neck meat, and then Carolina boiled it in a pot

1101
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: for six hours until the bones come out of the

1102
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: pot just clean. Yeah. She put a couple of heads

1103
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: of gar like putter, and we picked all that meat.

1104
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: Didn't take long at all, picked all that meat, picked out,

1105
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: there's no fat to pick out, barely to speak of,

1106
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: picked out the sinew. It wound up with two big

1107
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: imagine like a big gass salad bowl. Household big gass

1108
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: salad bowl. Two of those full of pick meat. And

1109
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: then we had all that picked and then we took

1110
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: the boil the corn. It's like boiled corn. Yeah, so

1111
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: it's bloated. It's yeah, yeah, it's it's soaked up a

1112
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: bunch of water. That's what they call homony, right, yeah, yeah,

1113
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: except for this isn't harmony is a part of the kernel.

1114
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: The harmony is a part of a kernel, that's right.

1115
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: And but so this isn't like a ruptured This hasn't

1116
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: been soaking in water long enough to where the kernel

1117
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 1: is split. It's it's just the whole. Just to imagine,

1118
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: like a bloated corn kernel ran up through a grinder

1119
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 1: looks like a meat grinder. Like at a passing glance,

1120
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: you think you look at a meat grinder, But it's

1121
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: these two plates that that mashed together, and the auger

1122
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: runs the corn out and you just mash and it

1123
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: winds up being like a wet corn meal. Yes, then

1124
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: you take all that meat juice that you use for

1125
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: boiling down the meat and wetton what that even more,

1126
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: put in a tunnel lard, healthy dose, put in salt,

1127
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: put in way more chili potter than you'd ever think

1128
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: you'd put in there, and blend that batter all up.

1129
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Got a part. Then you take your button eat and

1130
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: so you got your pick meat. You take a pot

1131
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: and you melt all your lard in the pot and

1132
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: put garlic and onion in that pot and cook it

1133
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: and then discard the onion, which I thought was interesting.

1134
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: Then put all the meat in, put in buck meat, water,

1135
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: chili powder, lard, and make chili colorado again, a lot

1136
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: of chili powder. So you gotta pot that's got chili colorado.

1137
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: And then you gotta pop that's got your mashed up

1138
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: corn meal. Then you take corn husks, soaked those in

1139
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: warm water so they repliable, and you lay out the

1140
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: corn husk, and you take a spoon and put a

1141
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: big healthy doll up of the batter the corn meal

1142
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: bat around there and spread it all around. Then you

1143
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: take the chili colorado and lay it in there like

1144
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: you're laying a hot dog on a bun, and you

1145
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: roll it up folded, real special, and then you stack

1146
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: them into a pot and steam them. Man, those suns

1147
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: bitches good. Yeah, that was good. How many do we make? Good?

1148
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: A lot? About seventy seventy two Molly's and had left

1149
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: over meat? Or do we use all of our meat?

1150
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: That's right deep fried up? Jimmy Chong? Did that use

1151
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: up all the meat? No? No, really, there's a lot

1152
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: still more. Yeah, Caroline has probably taking five to ten

1153
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: pounds on them of the chili colorado, just the meat,

1154
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: the piston, just the shred of meat. You know. That's

1155
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: what's always tough on the tomaw as your ratio of

1156
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: the um my ease is it my man to Folks

1157
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: call it corn or massa uh to to the meat,

1158
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: you know, um, because you always feel like you're stung

1159
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: if you get nothing but the but the asa. Um.

1160
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: So they don't. They don't use up as much carna

1161
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: as you think. Um. But holy yeah. And I went

1162
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: round to this evening with several of us. Get yeah,

1163
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: when you cross the border back in the US, you

1164
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: can you take your meat home. You can take your

1165
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: meat home on the bone. You can take it home

1166
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: off the bone. What you can't, but you gotta clean that.

1167
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: If you want to bring a skull back, you gotta

1168
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: bring the skull back clean. You can't bring a skull

1169
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: across it's not clean, So you gotta boil it and

1170
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: clean it. The meat can go across on the bone.

1171
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring our Tamali's across, no problem. The tricky

1172
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: part is bringing You can't bring a hide, not that

1173
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: you can't remember all talking about all those ticks. If

1174
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: you want to travel back in the US and bring

1175
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: a cape, like you want to get the deer mounted,

1176
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: you need to get it that every single tick on

1177
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: that cape is gone, and the customs people will check

1178
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: that thing they find a tick, you're back across the border.

1179
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 1: That seems impossible, but I think most of Jay's clients

1180
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: a cross with their capes. Just get there and pick

1181
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: all them ticks. Yeah haven't haven't picked Give someone twenty

1182
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: to pick ticks. You think it's a high percentage. Evacuate

1183
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: the cape once that animals been dead for a while.

1184
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: Sure that happens a little bit. Yeah, maybe if they

1185
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: haven't attached themselves yet. But I think most of the

1186
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: ones I saw are so bloated they're not going anywhere.

1187
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: I think a trick is to freeze them for a

1188
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: little while, make them real cold, you know, and then

1189
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: maybe they come off easier or something. But you've got

1190
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: to go through there. Literally what they find tooth comb

1191
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: and a pair of tweezers for a couple of hours.

1192
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: I've seen a pint and jar full after one okape,

1193
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: someone filled a pint jar with ticks. That's cool, uh man,

1194
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: I would never I mean, you know, nothing against anyone

1195
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: that does. Just personally, I would never mess with that.

1196
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: Just bring to school home, set it on a school shelf.

1197
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: So what else we have to do ni, because we

1198
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: still have to do that tonight. As far as like

1199
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: being legal beagle going across the border with they're just

1200
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: in paperwork. We get to fill out that says what

1201
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: we're bringing across, how much meat? And there is a tag. Yeah,

1202
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: you put a tag on the andlers. Is that just

1203
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: a customs tag or is that like an actual like

1204
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: game agency tag. Yeah, it comes from the Mexican government.

1205
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: Really okay tag. But then the US guys will check it.

1206
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: And when they asked to inspect our meat, let's pull

1207
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: out our tamali's. Yeah. Like right, dear boy, be like

1208
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: I counted those sens of bit Yeah, that should be

1209
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: about it. But I was gonna say, yeah, that Carolina

1210
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: man that helped us make these tamales. Uh. That's something

1211
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 1: that Jay set up to you know, That's something I

1212
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: think that anybody can get that comes down here and

1213
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: doesn't huntle with Jay is you can just request that

1214
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: he uh um gets you a cook. So for a

1215
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: very affordable price. We ate some like super good authentic

1216
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: Mexican food. Not every night. We brought a lot of

1217
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: our own food, but I think she cooked her own,

1218
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: like recipes. What three nights? What else do we have?

1219
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: How many tortosado? We had Italian one night and I

1220
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: put a tortilla in it and I brought down I

1221
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: brought down um some fish jack and she cooked that

1222
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: fish for ut treo trees or trees on eggs. Yeah,

1223
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: she made it hunt rids of tortillas. So and she

1224
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: made a big pot of which was amazing, feel like

1225
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: good soup. And what else? We have Chili colorado the

1226
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: first night? The trees though, which is really good dinner

1227
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: and breakfast Papa yes, which is the same on both

1228
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: sides of the border. Yeah, but there's some different. Yeah.

1229
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: I think that's the fire. She fried him over a

1230
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: huge fire outside. Well, okay, the fried potatoes fire fried potatoes.

1231
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: But that was great because it really lets us to

1232
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: focus on the hunting and the production. Yeah, really was.

1233
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was like, why are we getting

1234
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: to bed so early? And it was because somebody was

1235
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: here getting food ready by the time I got back.

1236
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: And you'll be able to you'll be able to watch

1237
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: and see we filmed it, and I presumably filmed beautifully. Dude. Yeah,

1238
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: the kind of beautiful process of making to Molly's. Yeah,

1239
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: to Molly production. It was a nice scene. You could

1240
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: do it in a day, but it took to It's

1241
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: something it really should be done over two days. Yeah. Yeah,

1242
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: and we did it, uh like an outdoor kitchen area

1243
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,839
Speaker 1: over wood fire, a lot of it. Yeah, it's beautiful.

1244
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: It's just I can't wait to put I think it's

1245
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: gonna be a really cool scene. Man, It's gonna be

1246
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: really cool scene. Karlyn is awesome, even though she didn't

1247
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: say much. She's kind of like a cool like Grandma

1248
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: style guide passing on the knowledge of to Molly making,

1249
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: which is good laborers. I think he appreciated it. Yeah,

1250
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: she gave you the unskilled are laughing at us? Yeah,

1251
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: all right, couple. Yeah. I had a long time ago,

1252
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: had a bunch of musk ox meat and gave musk

1253
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: ox meat to a Guatemalan woman. And our deal that

1254
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: we struck was I would get half my musk ox

1255
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: meat back into Molly's, which is a good deal because

1256
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: you wanted to getting a bigger pile of stuff back

1257
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: then you gave like I gave her like I think

1258
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: I gave her like twenty pounds of musk ox meat

1259
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 1: and I got ten pounds, which is a ton of

1260
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: to Molly's ten pounds meat. And I had wrapped them

1261
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: all up and wrapped them all up and put in

1262
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: my freezer and I just pull thettle suckers out and

1263
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: eat them. They were good, even frozen, even you know, frozen,

1264
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: thawed and warmed up, We're wonderful. What's the best way

1265
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: to warm it to Molly? Like reheat it to Molly.

1266
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: I feel like what I was doing, if I remember,

1267
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: I feel like I was sticking them in my oven. Mm. Well,

1268
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I was micro and him. I think

1269
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: I was throwing him in my oven. I wrapped him

1270
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: in foil, yeah, or just steam him again? Did we

1271
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: steam him? Yeah? That's gonna be yeah, office, I might

1272
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: even have to have another one before I go to bed.

1273
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll do oh yeah, night. Yeah. All right, Well, Rick,

1274
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: what's your um? You know your clothing? Thought? Your concluded?

1275
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: All right? You can go back to you can go

1276
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: back to luring in ladies. No, No, this is that drone. No,

1277
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: is that how much fun we had on the mountain.

1278
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a while since I've worked on

1279
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: one of these, uh one of the shows. I was

1280
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: busy this fall, so I sadly didn't get to go

1281
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: on any of the adventures. I missed out on a

1282
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: fog nack happily. Um. But the first hunt I filmed

1283
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 1: it was Accous deer Hunt with Remy Warren. That was

1284
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 1: your first foray into film and hunts. Yep, yep, it

1285
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: was yeah, like I've never done it, and I thought

1286
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: it sounds like it would be a good experience, But

1287
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it would be. It would be

1288
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: such a something that I look forward to, you know,

1289
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: regard it as lowly No, it's actually I think it's

1290
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of in a lot of ways. It's like everything

1291
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: that I like about filmmaking distilled into a very pure form.

1292
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: Does it does it because because you come out of

1293
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 1: nature documentaries and whatnot? Does it mean those dudes frown

1294
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: on you? Does that community frown on you because you

1295
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: go out? I don't know, do the savagery I don't.

1296
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't really check in. You don't you know what?

1297
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: They don't care about their opinion on it. No, No,

1298
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I I feel like I'm more a

1299
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: part of just a filmmaking or documentary community. And then

1300
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: I have a niche, but I jump, I do a

1301
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: lot of different things. But I feel that it's it's

1302
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: just a challenging thing to do to to document these

1303
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 1: hunts in a way that conveys the aesthetic, the narrative,

1304
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: everything you guys feel about the hunt. So there's just

1305
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of complicated factors and you just have to hike,

1306
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: hike and keep up. So which I enjoy, I mean

1307
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: compared to a lot of the jobs I'm on. You know,

1308
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: if you're in hotels or you just feel pretty bad

1309
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: at the end of every day, Like, yeah, you feel bad.

1310
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: And at the end of these days you might feel tired,

1311
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: but you feel like, I don't know, if you feel

1312
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: like super Yeah, more like you're on vacation than you're

1313
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: at work. Dude. The other day, we did sorry, we

1314
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: did the we did a hunt, successful hunt, came back,

1315
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: did push up, little lunch break club, the Hondo Club.

1316
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: Everybody got to a Hondo and then we went back

1317
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: out for an evening hunt, hiking all around. Yeah, and

1318
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: then if yeah, you feel better at the end. I

1319
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: mean we're going to tu dear, just the whole, the

1320
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: whole deal. I mean, accuse, you're easily one of my

1321
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: favorite animals to watch, or at least it's my favorite

1322
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: hunt that I've filmed. I just really liked the process

1323
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: glass and it's very there's a lot of patients involved. Yeah,

1324
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: I'm just I was. I was happy to get to

1325
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: come back, and it's this is my third goose deer hunt.

1326
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: So we're filming, you know which, but I feel like

1327
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm part of the part of the hunt itself. So um, yeah,

1328
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: it was great. I really I really liked the just visually, Uh,

1329
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: this part of Mexico is really beautiful and different than

1330
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: I thought. Uh every morning and every evening you get

1331
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: just the yeah, great light really now a lot of

1332
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: lots and everything spiny, really cool plat, I mean, everything's

1333
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: cool about it. Yeah. So we're glad you had fun, right, Yeah,

1334
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: I like coming along. Thanks. Thanks, And I mean and Cal.

1335
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: You know, I got to hang out with Cal most

1336
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: of the time, and he brought him coffee every day,

1337
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: so I've always had a warm cup. I mean it

1338
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: just treats me. I mean in a lot of ways.

1339
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: It's like it's a it's the relationship between a cameraman

1340
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: and whoever they're filming. It's this interesting dynamic, but especially

1341
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: in a situation like this where I really am a

1342
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm non hunter, I don't really know what I'm like,

1343
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm not expert. I've you know, I try. I do

1344
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: my best. But having Cal being like, all right, we're

1345
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna do this, he's very patient, like explains the process

1346
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: or and he does it both on camera to the

1347
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: potential viewer but also to me, So I think he um,

1348
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I just really enjoy kind of being able to hang

1349
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: out with somebody that it's kind of guiding me through

1350
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: the process and hopefully that translates to good TV. Two.

1351
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: Uh and you know takes the viewer along for a ride.

1352
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed one around with Cal out there. Actually

1353
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: mostly we just sat stared and you spotted some deer,

1354
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: very few. I felt bad. I tried hard, but I

1355
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: didn't have a tripod for my It was great. It's

1356
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: super fun. Yeah, dude, I feel bad too every day

1357
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: we're not spotting there here. Yeah, you know, they're there,

1358
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: that's what it's not. Yeah, they were there and I'm

1359
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: just mitten not seeing them. But I know what I'm

1360
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: saying is you're not alone. Even after a dozen of

1361
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: you guys are good at it, I still feel that way. Yeah,

1362
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: But I did like when you guys couldn't amongst one another,

1363
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: because it happens to tell us, because we just don't

1364
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: spend that much time behind binoculars, or maybe as much time.

1365
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Is when you couldn't find the animal that somebody else sees,

1366
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: it gives me. It's not it doesn't give me pleasure,

1367
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: but because I often feel that, like somebody else sees something,

1368
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just can I don't know where you're looking.

1369
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: You could explain very clearly where it should be, and

1370
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: you just can't see it. What's what's happening there? A

1371
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: lot of times the one that sees it catches the movement, yeah,

1372
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: or catches it out in the open, right, and so

1373
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: then they got a lock on it, and then it

1374
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: moves into a shitty spot yeah, and then other people,

1375
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: like the original finder, it gets to the spot where

1376
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: the original finder wouldn't be able to find it either

1377
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: if they didn't already know it was there, and then

1378
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 1: it gets really frustrating. Yeah, But didn't happen to me,

1379
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: But you thought what I'm saying because you want to

1380
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: be like, well, okay, but he's kind of behind that

1381
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: bush and you look, you'll see his foot sticking out.

1382
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: It just something about once you notice something, it becomes

1383
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: visually more obvious than But I like seeing that dynamic

1384
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: unfold because you guys are all very good at spotting things,

1385
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: and so when you get frustrated and not being able

1386
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: to But I think you're specifically talking about because I

1387
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: feel that way. Talking in Yeah, talking in the whole

1388
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: process is just like I regard that as um, this

1389
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: is this is gonna sound bold, but I think that uh,

1390
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: I regret that as one of my specialties talking people,

1391
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I feel that I'm I I feel that I do

1392
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of trying to talk people into

1393
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: where I'm looking. You know why, because I take the time.

1394
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: I take the time. I think Cal uh does some

1395
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: big leaps. He doesn't walk you through every tree. I'm like, okay,

1396
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: and then there's that tree, and then if you immediately go,

1397
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: then there's that tree. And then if you go six

1398
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: o'clock from him, there's that bush. Cal's like, oh and

1399
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: over one thing I would do more consistently. Is the

1400
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: is your o' clock method? O'clock is the only way

1401
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: to play if you don't run, if you're not running,

1402
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: center o' clock. To describe what we're talking about, you

1403
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: see some they try and tell people where it is.

1404
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: So I will I go to like a feature that

1405
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 1: everyone would agree with start with, and it could be anywhere.

1406
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: To start with something that everyone could agree with, like

1407
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 1: that big, huge rocky peak and people like got it,

1408
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and then work from there. Okay, it's a good meth

1409
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: go towards seven o'clock. From there until you have an

1410
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: unfair advantage because you're such a you know, a natural

1411
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: teacher and a patient. That does help. It does help,

1412
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: no frustration, mark what you got. If you had to

1413
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: take the whole like one thing, one thing from the

1414
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: whole thing, what would that one thing be that has

1415
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 1: to be my concluder. Yeah, it's kind of like the

1416
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: spirit of concluders are you could come out of the

1417
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: left field. I don't know what you can talk about,

1418
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: Rick whatever, Well, well, my one thing is is kind

1419
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: of it's it's kind of two part I guess because

1420
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: the one thing that struck me the most about this

1421
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: what was so cool was the the taking of something

1422
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: that's so familiar to me and that I'm so passionate about,

1423
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: white tail deer, so known to me, and then throwing

1424
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: that into a situation in a landscape so unknown to me.

1425
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: So seeing this this my my my favorite game animal,

1426
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: without of doubt, white tail deer here in place that's

1427
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: so foreign, um and new. Was was a lot of fun.

1428
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: Everything was new about this, not just the place, but

1429
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: also as we talked about, you know, this type of hunt. Um,

1430
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: So that was really really fun, really interesting. Um. But

1431
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: what it did leave me with was a desire to

1432
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: go back to a little bit of the familiar, which

1433
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: was I wanted to be closer to these animals. Like

1434
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about hunting white tails

1435
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: back home is being yards from them and hearing them

1436
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: and being afraid to move or make the slightest sound,

1437
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: different things like that. So coming out of this, I

1438
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing I'm taking away is is how

1439
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: awesome it was and how I want to try to

1440
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: bow hunt one of these suckers someday People do it. Yeah,

1441
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: just just feel like an entirely different approach. Yeah, it

1442
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: would be so different, so difficult, but like this kind

1443
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: of leaves me charged with wanting to try that someday

1444
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: because it would just be neat to try to figure

1445
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: out some way to slip in really close to one.

1446
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: I think you'd want to get into a situation where

1447
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: you had a buck, you had like a like a

1448
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: some of that running activity where you got a doll

1449
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 1: and there's bucks chasing around, and just get down on

1450
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: that zone and see what happens. Yeah, I think it's

1451
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, certainly the wind getting that

1452
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: zone and then just kind of try to just wait

1453
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: and see what opportunities or if he moves. Yeah, you've

1454
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time having no idea where they

1455
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,560
Speaker 1: were because you're on their slope with them. Yeah, and

1456
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: you might hear something, but it would be tricky. But

1457
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know people do it. Yeah. Well,

1458
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: it's like you know, the other day, after I shot

1459
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: my buck, you came up and we had seen this

1460
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: other deer, and then all of a sudden we heard

1461
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: the deer grunting and he came right by us. I mean,

1462
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: he must have been within yards probably, but you can

1463
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: never see him. He was downslope enough and that the

1464
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: brush was tall enough and he was small enough probably

1465
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that right there, probably within bow range, no idea that

1466
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: where it was. Yeah, I had a bucket ten yards.

1467
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: We had to be jumping over a road going. He

1468
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: had a dainty, little bad it's a little little guy grunt. Yeah,

1469
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: but so cool. And I just really appreciate you guys

1470
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: having me along. I mean, this is like a once

1471
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: in a lifetime opportunity probably for for me or a

1472
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 1: lot of people. And man, I enjoyed its man something

1473
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, hand has my kids call him Cahan,

1474
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: Hey Cahan. Yeah, just a phenomenal trip, I guess. Observations

1475
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:03,759
Speaker 1: just the um, the scale, like the grass isn't abnormally tall,

1476
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: the the deer just short, like it's knee high grass. Um.

1477
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: And I had I definitely had a hard time like

1478
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: making my brain put these these deer at the proper

1479
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: scale over and over again. Um. And they're gorgeous creators. Um.

1480
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: Really really had a good time. Really enjoyed the terrain,

1481
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 1: real ankle breaking hills out here though, like all that

1482
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 1: loose rock round rolling loose rock. Um U. I gotta

1483
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: see a coati which was pretty hilarious. And that that

1484
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 1: was a good Rick Smith we were hiking up the

1485
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: road and he's like, oh, you know, I think this,

1486
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: uh this poop here's a from a quality. Well, so

1487
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: there's a couple that different ways to pronounce it. I

1488
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,639
Speaker 1: don't want to hash it out, go ahead anyway, It's

1489
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: like a souped up raccoon monkey exactly, yes, thank you.

1490
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: And uh. I was like, oh yeah, you know, I

1491
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: saw one of those down on the yuk tan on

1492
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: on the side of the road one time. You see

1493
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: them out. They come out at night digging, like looking

1494
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: around beach or shellfish and really cool. And uh, you know,

1495
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: later on that day, we're sitting on this ridge, um

1496
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: getting out smarted by these cus deer bucks and I

1497
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: stand up and look and uh, Rick was, you know,

1498
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: always a tent of like Rick always was. So he

1499
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: was locked in those binoculars down on the ground and

1500
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like Rick, you're and

1501
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember the name, so I'm like, you know,

1502
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: Mexican bush monkey, Rick, get up. Um. So that was

1503
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: super fun. It's just a great trip on all of it,

1504
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: just odd observations. At this point, I'm getting kind of tired.

1505
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: But the meat was fantastic. People were fantastic. I love

1506
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the the the pace of life. And and uh, Beto

1507
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: and Carolina down here, we're huge parts of the trip.

1508
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Carolina um and uh yeah, stellar crew. You know, one

1509
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: thing that I always love about running around the woods

1510
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 1: with photographer types is the fact they they like to notice.

1511
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 1: It's their job to notice. Also, like all the all

1512
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the good extra stuff. You know, it's not just the deer,

1513
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: it's the sunrises, the sunsets, the big thorns, the um,

1514
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: the bonus critters um and uh, that's really enjoyable, rich powder,

1515
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Viva Mexico. Bro, that's all I gotta say. Loving it,

1516
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: loving it. Sunsets, I mean it's fine, man. Yeah, you'd

1517
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: like filming that sunset, dude. Sunsets down here. We're big

1518
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: throbbing drowner dude. Spiritual awakenings in those things. Man, they're crazy.

1519
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's really cool down here. Johnny's I think

1520
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: that's what they called you at the border. Johnny's something

1521
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: like that. No, actually, I think that the guy at

1522
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the ID wanna we got our tourists visa. I think

1523
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: he actually pronounced it properly. No, man, I was standing

1524
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: there waiting for him to pronounce it. Because I was

1525
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: excited about what would happen, he said. Johnny's mhm, yeah, anyway,

1526
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: I thought you did a better job than normal. Uh. Yeah,

1527
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: I love cus here. What I like about it when

1528
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: I always leave, I like the fact that I still

1529
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: feel like a real beginner at this thing and um

1530
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: hunting them and uh it's great to have a a

1531
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 1: quarry out there that I'm unfamiliar with, and that every

1532
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: time I come down for a hunt of like, I

1533
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: feel really uh like like the odds are against me.

1534
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: We see a lot of little box I think if

1535
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: you just didn't care, you know, what kind of buck

1536
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot, then I wouldn't feel that way because

1537
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: you probably could get that done in a couple of days.

1538
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 1: But if you set out to shoot something that's you

1539
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: know whatever, a little bit bigger than average, older than average,

1540
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: however you want to put it, it's uh, it's a

1541
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: real challenge and it's um not easy to do. And

1542
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah. I like that, like being uh

1543
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: just to be just a beginner. It is the kind

1544
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: of thing where you're you're thinking, like, oh man, next year,

1545
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because it since you never feel like you

1546
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: gotta totally figured out. Yeah, I think we stayed down

1547
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 1: here for two more weeks and guided you know, four

1548
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: guys piece. That would add up pretty quick. Yeah, week

1549
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: at a time here and there, and yeah, don't great,

1550
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: it's instantly addicting. My favorite part of the trip was

1551
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: honestly making the watching the tomall He's get made. That

1552
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you'd counter

1553
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: people in life, um that you're just not that that

1554
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really know what their trip is, right,

1555
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 1: and they don't understand, like you don't really understand the

1556
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: details of their life, and you don't and you don't

1557
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: understand the details of their life, and you're probably not

1558
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: even equipped to understand the details of one another's lives.

1559
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: And then the language barrier makes it even that that

1560
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: you're especially not gonna understand the details of each other's lives. Um.

1561
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: But it was like an empathy there, like like a

1562
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: human empathy or desire to connect. And it's just cool

1563
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: to be able to spend a bunch of time with

1564
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: someone and like learn some food preparation like that, and

1565
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: and it winds up being that you get you just

1566
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: get the sense that like people are enjoying themselves and

1567
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: and feeling not entirely different, you know. And and that's

1568
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: the kind of thing, like, you know, to be in

1569
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: a situation where you've it's a strange relationship to have

1570
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: with someone, um, to make someone that you don't know

1571
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: and you you're you're down filming and so you hire

1572
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: someone to do some cooking for you, um, and you

1573
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: can't talk really that that that well, it's just an

1574
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: unusual relationship, right, It's like it's a relationship that that

1575
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: tends to make me like that kind of relationship makes

1576
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: me uncomfortableoks. I feel like there's somehow like an unequal

1577
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 1: footing in some way. Um. But then to be able

1578
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 1: to hang out today doing that and watch someone do

1579
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: something and and and uh like do it well and

1580
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 1: do it very beautifully. I thought it was cool. It

1581
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: was a nice I mean, I love the hunting. You know,

1582
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: the hunting is great. Um, you know, come back many

1583
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: times to do it. We're already talking about come back

1584
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: next year. But like those little connection points I think

1585
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: are pretty cool. It would have been a completely different

1586
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: trip without that, yeah, just would have been and kind

1587
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: of her relationship to you know, attitude about dear meat.

1588
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: It's a coveted thing. Yeah, you know it was awesome.

1589
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 1: It was fun to watch. Man. Then just like the

1590
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: no measuring cups, just everything by just eye of ball,

1591
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: just like haven't done it and done it and done

1592
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: it and done it and done it and then um,

1593
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: a pair of hands that have seen a tremendous amount

1594
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: of work, not specialized work work. Yeah, like work work. Yeah,

1595
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: m hands like that don't just happen. No. I like

1596
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: looking at all the guys, everybody's hands, they're all worth

1597
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of time. Yeah, it's good man. It

1598
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: sets your head right. Some trips kind of set your

1599
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: head right. You know, it's fun, all right, thanks for listening.