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Speaker 5: It is Thursday, November the twenty first. Let's get right

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Speaker 5: into today's top stories. A new caravan of migrants is

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Speaker 5: many question the long term effects of illegal immigration on

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Speaker 5: Coming out the latest concerns about a peaceful transfer of power,

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Speaker 1: But first let's start with this.

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Speaker 5: Matt Gates withdraws his name from consideration for attorney general.

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Speaker 5: The former Florida congressman caved a pressure and likely opposition

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Speaker 5: back in order to avoid overshadowing the new administration. His

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Speaker 5: As a search for a new attorney general nominee with

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Speaker 5: less baggage is likely already underway. Joining me now to

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Speaker 5: discuss this and so much more as Jesse Banal. Jesse

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Speaker 5: served as an attorney for President Elke Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: Jesse, Welcome to the show, Steve thinks much or have

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Speaker 6: me today?

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 5: All right, so let's start with the Oh no, you're fine,

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Speaker 5: You're fine. Let's start with the Matt Gates news, because

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Speaker 5: I think we all were a little shocked or at

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts. Were you shocked? Were you taking it back?

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Speaker 6: And you know, Matt Gates is just an absolutely outstanding

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Speaker 6: when there's been FBI whistleblowers, it was Matt Gates alone

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Speaker 6: That was going on at the FBI and the Department

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Speaker 6: But what Matt Gates also knows is that this is

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Speaker 5: Who else in maga Land has those kind of Matt

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Speaker 5: Jesse Great Points. So to that point, is this a

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I would say it was a concern,

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Speaker 6: And I'm confident he will do that, and I'm confident

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Speaker 1: I think you should be a diplomatic.

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Speaker 5: That's a diplomatic way of saying it helped them find

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Speaker 5: I want to switch gears a little bit and talk

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Speaker 5: about President Trump's case in New York. Obviously, sentencing there

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Speaker 6: But again, this is really everything that Justice Mershawn has

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Speaker 5: Jesse Banal, we appreciate your time and your expertise.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, my friend. Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: A great weekend.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me all right, good to.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you.

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Speaker 5: That in so much more real America's Voice correspondent Oscar Ramirez.

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Speaker 5: He is in Tijuana, Mexico right now with the latest.

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Speaker 1: Oscar. Always good to see you, my.

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Speaker 7: Friend, as it was an honor to be with you. Terrence,

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Speaker 5: So, why don't you give us kind of the baseline

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Speaker 2: Well, Terrence, this is a Trump effect, then, you know,

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Speaker 2: as the majority of the microans that they're located in

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Speaker 2: That means the monthly there's twelve thousand of them, and

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Speaker 1: Terrence.

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Speaker 5: So there's so many tentacles to what you just said.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to start with Mexico. What you just said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the multimal Migration Form is a form that they

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Speaker 1: It is a process that they have to wait.

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Speaker 2: And they have been having a hard time with that. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: the Mexican government has been acting with these caravans. This

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Speaker 1: Terrice.

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Speaker 2: This is why we have been saying that this is

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Speaker 2: And they don't want to wait for paperwork, they don't

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Speaker 5: All right, so let's say they get to the border.

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Speaker 5: What happens then? Do many of them just cross illegally

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Speaker 1: Going about this legally. What happens? Explain that to us, please.

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Speaker 2: This is the other issue that the Trump administration is

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Speaker 2: They are denying the entry into these non port of entries,

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Speaker 5: That brings us to President Trump's promise of mass deportation

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Speaker 5: How challenging will that be, particularly given the numbers that

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Speaker 7: Now extremely challenging.

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Speaker 2: It is going to be extremely challenging. The first thing

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Speaker 2: of the Global Compact on Migration, cut the federal grants

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Speaker 5: And it sounds to me that Mexico in this particular

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, that is the other problem. Mexico is

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Speaker 2: Article eleven of the Constitutional Mexico. Article eleven talks about

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Speaker 1: You to your point.

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Speaker 5: I think President Trump is already pretty much threatened that

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Speaker 2: Well, he has to come into office. There is This

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Speaker 2: And it's just right now. You know, they're trying, you know,

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Speaker 2: But as soon as Donald Trump stays into office, as

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Speaker 5: Oscar Rameire is reporting for us in Tijuana, Mexico this morning.

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Speaker 1: Always good to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Be safe like always, hearn says, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of work to be done between now

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Speaker 1: To a peaceful transition of power. We'll explain next. Good

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Speaker 5: President Trump is naming his cabinet members and working to

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Speaker 5: Trump's election official.

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Speaker 1: Now, all of that.

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Speaker 5: Is going to lead up to President elect Trump and

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Speaker 5: Vice President elect JD. Vance taking their respective oaths of

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Speaker 5: office during a swearing in ceremony that's scheduled for high

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Speaker 5: noon on January twentieth. And as I'm saying, goes pressure

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Speaker 5: burst pipes, and in this particular case, the pressure is

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Speaker 5: derailing one of President Trump's more high profile nominations. Former

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Speaker 5: Florida congress and Matt Gates is now out of two jobs.

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Speaker 1: Not only has.

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Speaker 5: He given up his seat in the US House, he's

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Speaker 5: also withdrawing his name from consideration to be the country's

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Speaker 5: next Attorney General. Taking to X, Gates writing this, it

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Speaker 5: is clear that my confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction

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Speaker 5: to the critical work of the Trump Vance transition. There's

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Speaker 5: no time to waste on a needlessly protracted Washington scuffle.

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Speaker 5: Thus I'll be withdrawing my name from consideration to serve

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Speaker 5: as Attorney General. Trump's doj must be in place and

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Speaker 5: ready on day one he writes, the bombastic former Florida

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Speaker 5: congressman has been in the headlines this week over the

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Speaker 5: House Ethics Committee investigation surrounding him.

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Speaker 1: Even though the.

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Speaker 5: Investigative report has never been released, excerpts of it were leaked,

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Speaker 5: which likely led to today's decision. A Florida man is

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Speaker 5: in custody accused of plotting to bomb the New York

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Speaker 5: Stock Exchange. Court documents say his motive was to quote

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Speaker 5: reset the US government. He's charged with attempting to use

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Speaker 5: and improvised explosive device to damage or to destroy a

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Speaker 5: building used in interstate or foreign commerce. Investigators say the

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Speaker 5: guy claims that he initially tried to join a domestic

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Speaker 5: extremist group, but he reportedly admits to having also considered

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Speaker 5: joining ISIS back in twenty fifteen. An undercover FBI agent

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Speaker 5: was able to foil the plot before it went down.

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Speaker 5: The FEDS say the attack was planned for the past month,

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Speaker 5: for this past Monday, but agents were able.

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Speaker 1: To foil it well before then.

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Speaker 5: Just into our newsroom, Actor Jesse Smolette's conviction on charges

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Speaker 5: that he staged a racist and homophobic attack against himself

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Speaker 5: has been overturned. The Illinois Supreme Court just ruled that

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Speaker 5: the special prosecutors brought in to try that case should

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Speaker 5: not have been allowed to intervene after the Cook County

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Speaker 5: State's Attorney's office initially dropped the charges against Mallet in

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Speaker 5: exchange for the actor forfeiting his ten thousand dollars bond

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Speaker 5: and serving community service.

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Speaker 1: You may remember Smollette made.

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Speaker 5: Headlines back in twenty nineteen when he claimed that two

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Speaker 5: excuse me, while tossing a noose.

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Speaker 1: Around his neck.

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Speaker 5: Prosecutors say the actor hired the guys involved to stage

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Speaker 5: that attack. Well, issues and values that you're fighting in

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Speaker 5: your own neighborhood are now making their way to Capitol

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Speaker 5: pushing legislation that would stop incoming transgender Congressman Sarah McBride

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Speaker 1: The soon to be.

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Speaker 5: Freshman representative from Delaware was born Tim McBride but now

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Speaker 8: Let me be unequivocally clear, A man is a man

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Speaker 1: That said, but I also believe that.

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Speaker 8: We treat everybody with dignity, and so we can do

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Speaker 9: Time, I'm not going to allow biological men into women's

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Speaker 9: Hell no, I'm not going to stand for it. And

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Speaker 5: We'll continue to monitor that developing story. For those of

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Speaker 5: da Alvin Bragg has agreed to pause the hush money

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Speaker 5: case against President elect Donald Trump, but many experts are

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Speaker 5: pushing Judge Van Marshan to dismiss the case entirely. We'll

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Speaker 5: talk more about that right after this OS. Welcome back

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Speaker 5: to America's Voice Live. Earlier this week, Manhattan District Attorney

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Speaker 5: Alvin Bragg agreed to delay President elect Donald Trump's sentencing

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Speaker 5: on this conviction related to hush money payments to an

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Speaker 5: adult film actress. The prosecutor's decision, made public on Tuesday,

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Speaker 5: makes it highly likely that President and Trump will re

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Speaker 5: enter the White House in January, largely unscathed from the

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Speaker 5: four questionable criminal cases that at one time threatened to

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Speaker 5: derail his candidacy. Some experts believe the case out of

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Speaker 5: New York should be dismissed entirely. Well, here with me

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Speaker 5: now to discuss that and so much more as a

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Speaker 5: senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, Zach Smith.

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Speaker 1: Zach, welcome.

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Speaker 5: Before we get to that, I want to talk about

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Speaker 5: the big breaking story of today, Matt Gates stepping back

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Speaker 5: saying I'm not going to continue my bid if you

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Speaker 5: will for Attorney General.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that initially.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think Donald Trump's his nomination of Matt

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Speaker 3: Gates to be the Attorney General certainly sent a message

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Speaker 3: that this next administration is not interested in doing business

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Speaker 3: as usual. As sent a message that I think Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is looking to shake things up in his next

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Speaker 3: term of office. And so that was the message that

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Speaker 3: I think many on Capitol Hill and Washington DC took

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Speaker 3: away from the nomination of Matt Gates. Now, obviously, as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, Matt has withdrawn his name to be in

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Speaker 3: consideration for attorney general. We're already hearing some other names

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Speaker 3: being floated as potential picks. But again, I think everyone

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Speaker 3: should be unnotice that the Trump administration that's coming into

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Speaker 3: office in January, they're intent on shaking things up and

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Speaker 3: really sticking to their campaign promises to not do business

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Speaker 3: as usual.

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Speaker 5: Zach, I'm not going to put you on the spot

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Speaker 5: and ask you for a name who you'd like to

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Speaker 5: see serve in that position, But I will put you

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Speaker 5: on the spot this way. What kind of qualities would

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Speaker 5: you like to see in the next attorney general? You

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Speaker 5: see what I did there?

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Speaker 4: I do I appreciate that.

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Speaker 7: I'm okay being put on the spot in that sense.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think you need someone that not only is

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Speaker 3: has a great legal mind, great legal acumen, but also

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Speaker 3: someone who has a spine of steel, someone who is

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Speaker 3: going to be committed to implementing Donald Trump's agenda and

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Speaker 3: frankly holding individuals and criminals accountable even when they may

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Speaker 3: face backlash from many in the media and other quarters

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Speaker 3: of Washington, DC. I haven't been shy about the fact

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Speaker 3: that many areas, many components of the Justice Department are

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Speaker 3: in need of serious reforms. Certainly the Civil Rights Division,

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Speaker 3: the Election Integrity Division of DOJ. They have implemented some

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Speaker 3: of the most parties and lawsuits we've seen from the

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Speaker 3: Biden administration. If you go look at the hiring practices

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Speaker 3: of those divisions in particular, they have hired left wing

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Speaker 3: activists and then come into the Justice Department and masquerade

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Speaker 3: as government lawyers.

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Speaker 1: And so there does.

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Speaker 3: Need to be a serious overhaul of the Justice Department,

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Speaker 3: and whoever becomes the Attorney General will need to make

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Speaker 3: sure that he or she has the fortitude to see

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Speaker 3: that mission through to the end.

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Speaker 5: Apart from that overhaul you just described, would you like

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Speaker 5: to see that person come in and launch investigations into

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Speaker 5: the lawfair that really took over this campaign season.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the.

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Speaker 3: Lawfair has been a big issue. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 3: would quibble with the fact that Donald Trump has faced

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Speaker 3: an unprecedented amount and nature of lawfare over the past

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Speaker 3: four years. Fortunately, Congress, particularly James Kohmer the House Oversight Committee,

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Speaker 3: has said that he is going to make examining that

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Speaker 3: lawfare a top priority of his committee this coming Congress.

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Speaker 3: And so I suspect we are going to see a

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Speaker 3: lot of examinations into exactly what went wrong, how I

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Speaker 3: went wrong, and how we can make sure that something

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Speaker 5: In Zach, that brings us to the question of the day.

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Speaker 5: President Trump's case out of New York. The sentencing, which

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Speaker 5: was initially set for next week, has now been postponed

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Speaker 5: or canceled in general, but the big question is is

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Speaker 5: the case over.

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Speaker 1: While it sounds good.

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Speaker 5: And it gives us all a breath of fresh air

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Speaker 5: and we can say, oh wow, okay, so there's not

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Speaker 5: going to be a sentencing, the case is still.

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Speaker 1: There, the case is still looming.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: You hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 3: This looks like a concession from Alvin Bragg, the road

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Speaker 3: Manhattan District attorney who brought this case, but it's really not, because,

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Speaker 3: as you rightly point out.

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Speaker 7: The case is still active.

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Speaker 3: It'll still be hanging over the head of Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: throughout the course of his administration if the current status

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Speaker 3: is maintained, and it will be ready to be wielded

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Speaker 3: as a cudgel whenever Alvin Bragg or his political allies

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Speaker 3: think it would be convenient to do that. And so

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Speaker 3: what needs to happen is Judge Wan Mrshon needs to

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Speaker 3: dismiss the case. Donald Trump's lawyers have filed very compelling

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Speaker 3: briefs that the Supreme Court's decision last term in the

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Speaker 3: immunity case compels that this particular case be dismissed because

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Speaker 3: of certain evidence that was introduced to trial, not to

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Speaker 3: mention that many legal commentators who have watched this trial

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Speaker 3: have pointed out the many, many problematic decisions that Judge

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Speaker 3: Murschon made throughout the course of the trial that if

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Speaker 3: and when the case ultimately goes up on appeal, could

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Speaker 3: likely lead to its reversal. And so, look, this is

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Speaker 3: a problematic case from the get go. I think everyone

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Speaker 3: recognizes that Alvin Bragg never would have brought this case

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Speaker 3: if the defendant's name wasn't Donald Trump. And so certainly,

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Speaker 3: while this is a small victory in some sense that

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Speaker 3: the sentencing has been paused. What really needs to happen

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Speaker 3: is the case simply needs to be dismissed.

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Speaker 5: And then there's a whole issue of presidential immunity following

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Speaker 5: the US Supreme Court's ruling. I'm not so sure that's

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Speaker 5: even really been addressed by Judge Mrshon.

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Speaker 7: No, it hasn't.

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Speaker 3: In fact, there's an outstanding motion that's been followed by

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Speaker 3: Todd blanche and some of Donald Trump's other lawyers that

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Speaker 7: They still has to rule on.

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Speaker 4: And has not yet done so.

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Speaker 3: Again, that certainly could provide an independent ground for dismissing

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Speaker 3: this case. The other interesting fact is that keep in

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Speaker 3: been litigating these cases for.

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Speaker 7: Years now have been appointed to high ranking.

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Speaker 3: Justice Department positions by the President because of the faith

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Speaker 3: on many of these cases, many of these issues that

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Speaker 3: have been litigated for some time now. That certainly doesn't

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Speaker 3: and just I think highlights the problematic posture these cases

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Speaker 5: Zach, you just raised a question in my mind, what

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Speaker 5: whoever is the next Attorney General. Is this something that

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Speaker 5: they potentially could force action on if you will.

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Speaker 7: It's a good question.

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Speaker 3: Probably not for the two state prosecutions, you know, there's

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Speaker 5: Jack Smith. Not to be mistaken with Jack Smith. We

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Speaker 1: Trence Bates here, Thanks.

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Speaker 5: So much for tuning in for America's Voice Live on

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Speaker 5: this Thursday. The US Justice Department wants a judge to

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Speaker 5: force Google to sell off its Chrome browser and dismantle

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Speaker 5: what the government is calling a monopoly on the Internet

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Speaker 5: search market. It's all part of a landmark anti trust

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Speaker 5: case involving one of the world's biggest tech companies, the

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Speaker 5: Biden DOJ. Last month oul Core papers saying that it

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Speaker 5: was considering enforcing structural remedies that's a quote, in.

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Speaker 1: Order to prevent Google from using some of its products.

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Speaker 5: Google says it will challenge any case the DOJ brings.

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Speaker 5: The company also calls the government's proposals an overreach that

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Speaker 5: would harm consumers. Here with me now to discuss all

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Speaker 5: of this is the Director of State and Federal Affairs

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Speaker 5: for a Net Choice, Amy Boss Amy.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, Terrence.

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Speaker 5: So put into perspective for us what's at stake here?

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Speaker 5: Because a lot of what I just shared I think

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Speaker 5: is very nuanced. But put this in big picture perspective

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Speaker 5: for us.

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Speaker 4: Sure, so big picture.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the remedies that DOJ is seeking here are extreme,

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Speaker 10: to say the least demanding Google divest Chrome is really

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Speaker 10: antitrust gone wild. It's a radical and misguided interpretation of

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Speaker 10: what competition law is. Ultimately, we believe this will hurt consumers,

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Speaker 10: it will stifle innovation, and it really undermines American leadership

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Speaker 10: in technology. Anti trust law is supposed to be about

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Speaker 10: protecting consumers and competition, not punishing success, and that's what

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Speaker 10: we view this remedy proposal to be.

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Speaker 1: Is there any precedent for this sort of government overreach.

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Speaker 10: I think the closest example is back in the early

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Speaker 10: nineties with Microsoft. You saw DOJ targeting that company. Ultimately,

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Speaker 10: Microsoft wasn't broken up, there was a settlement there.

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Speaker 4: This is really pretty extreme as far as history is concerned.

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Speaker 10: You know, when we're talking about breaking up companies, we're

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Speaker 10: talking about the ultimate penalty.

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Speaker 4: And you've seen people like President ELEC.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump right come out and saying that this would

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Speaker 10: essentially be a gift for China.

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Speaker 4: China is afraid of Google.

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Speaker 10: We want to make sure American companies succeed and are

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Speaker 10: the leaders of technology innovation in the world.

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Speaker 5: It seems to me that this goes beyond business, that

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Speaker 5: this goes beyond just breaking up a company. Particularly since

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Speaker 5: the online world is almost like wild wild West. It's

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Speaker 5: lightly regulated as it is. It strikes me as an

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Speaker 5: outsider looking in that this could set precedent, that this

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Speaker 5: could set up certain challenges moving forward for the online world.

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Speaker 1: AM I misguided there.

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Speaker 10: You know, I think that this is right, that this

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Speaker 10: is government overreach. I think it's government overreach at its worst.

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Speaker 10: What this signals to companies is that regulators can dismantle

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Speaker 10: any successful product or service for really being too good. Right,

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Speaker 10: Even Google's worst critics have said Google is popular, that

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Speaker 10: Chrome is popular because the product is good.

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Speaker 4: People and consumers like using it.

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Speaker 10: So this is really a step toward micromanaging the tech industry,

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Speaker 10: not fostering competition.

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Speaker 5: To your point, I think you make an interesting point

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Speaker 5: because the word that the government is using is monopoly.

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Speaker 1: That Google Chrome has a monopoly over.

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Speaker 5: Search engines, but there are other search ins and out there.

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Speaker 1: People just tend not to use them as much.

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Speaker 4: There are plenty of options out there. There's Firefox, there's Mozilla,

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Speaker 4: there's Safari, Stuf, dot Go.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, I think the government failed to convince that

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Speaker 10: consumers are being harmed here, that consumers don't have options here.

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Speaker 10: You know, Like I said, I think we're sending the

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Speaker 10: men message that winning with innovation is a crime, and

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Speaker 10: that's not what antitrust law.

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Speaker 4: Is supposed to do.

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Speaker 5: What do you think is ultimately going to happen in

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Speaker 5: this case? And I know I've got you looking in

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Speaker 5: a crystal ball, but your gut feeling what will ultimately

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Speaker 5: come of this.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see Google propose their own remedies later next month. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 10: I find it hard to believe that a judge will

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Speaker 10: go and allow for such extreme remedies as DJ is proposing.

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Speaker 10: I think history will show you that there will be

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Speaker 10: some middle ground found here.

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Speaker 4: But the DJ is really swinging for the fence here.

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Speaker 10: I think you're going to see Jonathan Canter at DOJ

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Speaker 10: and his counterpart Lena Khan at the FTC. They're likely

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Speaker 10: out the door for the next administration, and I think

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Speaker 10: they're trying to get that last last bit of.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, swinging for the fence before before they're

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Speaker 4: gone from the administration.

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Speaker 1: You know what, to that point. And I'll let you

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Speaker 1: go after this.

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Speaker 5: But it seems almost irresponsible if you know that you're

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Speaker 5: on the way out the door, as you said, but

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Speaker 5: then you would still bring this big case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty unusual.

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Speaker 10: I think I think they're playing to a specific progressive

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Speaker 4: And I will just mention, I mean this is not

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Speaker 10: Right, We're seeing both agencies going after a number of

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Speaker 10: American businesses, from Microsoft to Temper mattresses to Tapestry handbags.

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Speaker 4: No business is really.

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Speaker 10: Safe from Biden's anti trust agenda and really consumers loose.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: We are back with your answers to the America's Voice

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Speaker 5: question of the day. Here it is, what's your take

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Speaker 5: on Biden allowing Ukraine to deploy US made guns and

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Speaker 5: missiles against Russia. To all of those of you who responded,

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Speaker 5: we appreciate you taking the time out.

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Speaker 1: Keith writes, I believe it's very, very dangerous for the world.

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Speaker 5: It's just another example the Democrats care nothing about anyone

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Speaker 5: or anything other than their power.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Keith.

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Speaker 5: Florence Bosley writes, trying to cripple the Trump administration since

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Speaker 5: Trump said that he would have stopped it. Also, if

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Speaker 5: Putin should fire on us, they could declare martial law

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Speaker 5: and remain in power. And Christine Bavarro keeping it short

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Speaker 5: and sweet, simply writing treasonous genus place. We appreciate you

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Speaker 5: as well writing he is insane and here we sit

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Speaker 5: for sixty days and Granny V. Finally you're going to

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Speaker 5: bring up the rear here. We appreciate you chiming in

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Speaker 5: as well, saying clearly it is a Biden hunter Russia corruption.

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Speaker 1: Money laundering.

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Speaker 5: Thanks to each and every one of you for chiming

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Speaker 5: in excuse me. We appreciate your thoughts and thanks to

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Speaker 5: you for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you being here with us. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: back here tomorrow. Take care. I have a great list

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Speaker 1: of the afternoon