1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: is nol Uh, and Ben you are you, and hopefully 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: this message finds you amid grand adventure. If not too bad, 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: if so wonderful. Either way, this is stuff they don't 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: want you to know. Surely adventure is on the horizon. Yes, 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: adventure should always be on the horizon. We live in 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: what some ancient scholars we call interesting times, which is 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily a compliment ladies and gentlemen. As you know, 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: on this show, we look into things that are not uh, 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: not so often reported in mainstream me you when we 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: look at obscure acts of history, strange things about the future, 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: the occult, the paranormal, the corrupt, and this means that 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: we travel through some dark places. Today, we are returning 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: to a dark place. This is something that may be 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: a bit controversial. We are going to cover it to 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: the best of our ability in the most objective way possible, 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: and we want to hear from you so as we 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: dive into this rabbit hole. As you're listening, you have 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: the opportunity and if you have some feedback, we'd like 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: to hear it. You can write to us directly on 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter where we are conspiracy stuff. So with 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: that being said, that's the best I could do for disclaimer. Gents, 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: what do you think that's right? This week we are 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: talking about terrorism, in particular a group known as the 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Islamic State or ISIS or ISIL or dioecious there are 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: there are numerous other names as well. It's a group 30 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: that especially here in the West. I mean you could 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: argue that they are like the face of terrorism cer yes, 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: then the new face, the face that most people in 33 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the West would associate with terrorism. Right that when piece 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: people hear the word terrorism and their first thoughts will 35 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: not be something like, uh, the clan the KKK, it 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: won't be something like the I ra A, won't even 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: maybe be al Qaeda anymore, which is saying a lot. 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: It's just saying a lot. It will be ISIS. And 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: what we are going to look at today is is 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: the concept of specifically ISIS or ISIL or DIETSH recruitment tactics. 41 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: In the US, we've gone into some related things before. 42 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: But today we're going to look at this specific example. 43 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: And as we do that, we need to first take 44 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: a look at terrorism. Right, what is terrorism? Since the 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: events of September eleven, two thousand one, the concept of 46 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: terrorism garnered national and lasting attention in the mind of 47 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the American public. But we know, of course, just look 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: at some of the other groups we named, We know 49 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: that terrorism as a concept, terroristic tactics, and such have 50 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: existed much much longer. Right, Yeah, that's right. I mean 51 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: even in the US, I think terrorism was in the 52 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist, in the public knowledge or understanding back 53 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: from the seventies. Back. I mean, if you look at 54 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: popular movies that were coming out around that time, the 55 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: bad guy a lot of times was a Middle Eastern 56 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: quote terrorists. Yeah, and it's often been said throughout history 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. We 58 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: know that can sound tremendously controversial, right, the idea that 59 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: one person's absolute utter villain is somebody else's hero, right. 60 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, for instance, when the US was in the 61 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: midst of the Revolutionary War, the people in the US 62 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: who were fighting to uh fighting for independence from from 63 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: Europe from England. They were to the average English citizen terrorists. 64 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: The tactics of fighting from the woods or something. Yeah, 65 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: not wearing uniforms, all these kind of things that we're 66 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: going to get into, they were full on terrorists to them. 67 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: And it's true that to a degree. The categorization of terrorists, 68 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: if you can hear my air quotes their folks, depends 69 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: on the people you ask, Like, for example, this is 70 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: just an anecdote. I'm just making this up. This is 71 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: not a real thing. I can't emphasize that enough, but 72 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: I tried. Uh. For instance, a let's mad there is 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: a person living in a war torn country that's been 74 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: victimized by numerous conflicts. Right, Let's say Afghanistan. Right, someone 75 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: who has been alive through the proxy wars of the seventies, 76 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: who has lived through the eighties and nineties and is 77 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: alive now in Afghanistan. A person living in that kind 78 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: of country has probably seen multiple foreign military forces, multiple 79 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: local warlords come and go, terrorist organizations, counter terrorism tactics, 80 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: and eventually you might say, well, these are all to me, 81 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: these are all still threats. These are all still equal threats. 82 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: So this definition slides. This definition has fuzzy lines. There's 83 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: not really Um, you would be hard pressed to find 84 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: a an organization that the entire rest of the world 85 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: said that is a terrorist organization. When I see entire 86 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: rest of the world, of course, I'm not talking about 87 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the United Nations labeling an organization's terrorist. I'm saying the 88 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: entire population of actual people. ISIS is one of the 89 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: closest of course, because you know, Muslims around the world 90 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: condemn the actions of ISAIS, and ISIS is the actions 91 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: that ISAIS is taking are not those that are are 92 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: not things that the average practicing Muslim or the vast 93 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: majority of Muslims would ever condone. It's also the kind 94 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: of thing where you know, in your original example about 95 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: freedom fighters, UM, in like the American Revolution for example, UM, 96 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: they were working towards an end of achieving freedom, and 97 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: they were maybe like attacking certain you know, points that 98 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: would have benefited them as a group. But with ISIS, 99 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: it is a lot more directly targeted attacks at civilians 100 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: and you know, really way aging that kind of social 101 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: media war, using you know, beheading videos and things like that. 102 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: They're just showing this kind of lack of rules of engagement. 103 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's just kind of like anything is fair game. 104 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: And also, yeah, the ultimate aim of isis IS has 105 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: been stated numerous times, and it is to establish a 106 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: new caliphate, right, and this means that the goal would 107 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: be to create a state and to expand that state 108 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: eventually across the world. You know, we've even seen al 109 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Qaeda al Qaeda uh like disavow or condemn the actions 110 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: of ISIS, which you know, Alkaida, another terrorist group, the 111 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: terrorist group for a while there, they've they publicly, at 112 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: least allegedly came out and said no, this we we 113 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: we think this is awful. And there's yeah, and there's 114 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: a tangled web here. There are tangled roots and there's 115 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: a tangled web. Even if the outward depth nisition might 116 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: sound fuzzy, terrorists have several tactics that in theory differentiate 117 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 1: them from state level forces. So in the books, again 118 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: in theory, a state level force has rules of engagement. 119 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: As you said, no, they do not attack civilians. They're 120 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: clearly identifiable via uniforms. They adhere to the Geneva Conventions 121 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: for captured combatants. They adhere to the rules of war uh. 122 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: And of course, folks, unfortunately it goes without saying but 123 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I will say it throughout history and be very hard 124 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: pressed to find any state level military that has always 125 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: adhered to those rules. And that goes to something else, 126 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: which might be a separate topic that we've touched upon 127 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: with specific examples in earlier podcasts of state sponsored terrorism 128 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: CIA backed coups in South America for instance, right or 129 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: false flag attacks, or for instance, the the proxy militias 130 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: used by different countries right like um his Law sponsored 131 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: by Iran, or something which is exactly Sadly, the reality 132 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: of proxy wars has been long established, the reality of 133 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: using proxies to avoid uh to avoid the consequences of 134 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: an unsuccessful action, and the concept of terrorism is itself 135 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: first appears in at least in the specific sense of 136 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: government intimidation during the Reign of Terror in France, and 137 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: it came from the French uh terrism from the Latin. 138 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: In English it appears a few years later, three years 139 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: later in reference to the Irish rebellion. But along the 140 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: way to the modern age there were other competing terms. 141 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Mass destruction terrorism was called dynamitism, and during World War One, 142 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Britain used the term frightfulness, which came from German and 143 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and then a deliberate policy of terrorizing enemy noncombatants. Before 144 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: we go on, guys, I want to get a bit 145 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: of a rant out of the way, and this is 146 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: as I have to say when we say this, this 147 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: is my opinion. Okay, this is not This does not 148 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: reflect the opinion of our show, the opinion of House 149 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: of Works, anyone else but me. I think another thing 150 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: that's dangerous about terrorism as a concept, especially in the 151 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: West and in other countries as well, is that it 152 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: has become a grand boogeyman used to force multiple attacks 153 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: on people's personal freedom and personal liberty. And you if 154 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: you agree, if you disagree, for instance, with warrantless surveillance, 155 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: than the implication is that you directly support terrorism. Terrorism 156 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: has become the the monster under the bed, hiding in 157 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: the closet of the American discourse. And this is a 158 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: very dangerous thing in US culture. What we see often 159 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: is that people the zeitgeist, as you said, Matt Uh, 160 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: becomes enamored of certain words. Remember in the nineties everything 161 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: was digital then for like even things that like a 162 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: digital toaster, there's no sense and then it doesn't even 163 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: have a digital clock on it. And then things were organic, right, 164 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: and then national security has become another another great boogeyman. Right. Yeah, 165 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to decide if their thought terminating cliches, 166 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: but I don't know that they're that far. It's close almost, 167 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: because you can throw those words into a sentence and 168 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, maybe it is because you can kind 169 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: of shut somebody's brain off if if you throw around 170 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: especially terrorism and national security in the same sentence. Right 171 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: these This is not in any way to say that uh, 172 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: terrorism is exaggerated in terms of the global context and 173 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: the damage it does. This is instead to say that 174 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: there are opportunistic forces and governments across the world who 175 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: are using this as uh as a window, as a 176 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: foot in the door to pass draconian laws that ordinarily 177 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: never would have been allowed by a rational, non frightened public. 178 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: And and so it is true that these things, these 179 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: things are real, There are these active i'll say, act 180 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: like monsters, people doing monstrous things. And then we can 181 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: never forget, however, that the people at the top of 182 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: various regimes and governments and whatnot are actively using this 183 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: as a way to get your private information, to get 184 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: your phone records, to protect predict excuse me your behavior. 185 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: With all that being said, I'm going to get off 186 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: the soapbox here because that is not the real point 187 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: of today's podcast. We're where is the point? I don't know, 188 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: I think what do you think? Though? I think they're 189 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: sort of connected for sure, But let's get into what 190 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: really what is isis, what is isis and what is 191 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: isis versus ISSOL in terms of the name. Yeah, okay, 192 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: let's see, so ISIS and ISISL. Oddly enough, the same thing. 193 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: ISIS stands for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, 194 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and that's because the territory that this this organization has 195 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: controlled has largely straddled the border between Syria and Iraq. 196 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: But EISL, on the other hand, yeah, Eiel, Eisol is 197 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: talking about the Levant, which is the it's kind of 198 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: an historic name given to this entire region. Uh. That's 199 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: east of the Mediterranean from Egypt. So think about where 200 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Egypt is on the edge of Africa. They're go east 201 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: and once you get to Iran and Turkey, that's the Levant. 202 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: Wasn't there a thing that where Obama referred to them 203 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: specifically as one or the other because one legitimizes them 204 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: more than the other. Like, does that ring a bell? 205 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Because I think yeah, the US, the US administration during 206 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: the rise of ISIS used the term ISIL because they're 207 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: their official party line is that this is done to 208 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: emphasize the expansionist goals of the of the terrorists writer region. Yeah. However, again, 209 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: if that were the case, establishing what is ultimately meant 210 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: to be a global caliphate when necessarily extend beyond the levant, 211 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: but right now, you know, the chances of that happening 212 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: are thankfully incontestimally small. Uh. The pretty much everyone else, though, 213 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: uses ISIS or one other thing. Yeah. This term the 214 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: diet ish has also gained some popularity and has been 215 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: used as a way of challenging the legitimacy of the group. Right, 216 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: this dietsh term comes from Arabic, and it's an acronym 217 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: formed from the group's previous name, which is I'm going 218 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: to butcher this, I warn you in advanced folks al 219 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: dlawa al Islamia phil rail sham. And though it doesn't 220 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: necessarily mean anything in Arabic, it sounds familiar to an 221 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Arabic verb that means to tread underfoot, to crush something 222 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: or to trample. So that is the that's that's the 223 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: solution of the name. At this point, folks are probably wondering, Hey, 224 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: Matt noel Ben, are you going to talk a little 225 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: bit about the history of Isais, the formation of it, 226 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: how did it become so successful? What if any role 227 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: did intelligence agencies and other state organizations play? Right shout 228 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: out to the House of sod as always. We've done 229 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: a couple of earlier videos on ISAIS that you that 230 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: you may enjoy if you're well. Enjoys not the right 231 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: word that may answer some of those questions, and one 232 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: of the one of the first ones was how did 233 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: Isais become so wealthy? Which was a collaboration we had 234 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: with our friends at all time conspiracies, yes, and that 235 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: one we I mean kind of obviously from the title. 236 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: We look at the different ways in which Isis got 237 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: its money. And one of the big things that was 238 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: pointed to as to how they got that first that 239 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: first big bank roll to begin, you know, building an 240 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: army and getting just huge caches of weapons and explosives, 241 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: and it was the I believe it was the Mole Bank. 242 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: There was a heist that allegedly occurred now from differing sources. 243 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: You'll also hear that that heist never occurred actually from 244 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: some official sources, which is fascinating. Yeah, they allegedly looted 245 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: five billion Iraqi dinars, the equivalent of four hundred twenty 246 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: nine million at the time. But but it's did they, yeah, 247 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: exactly or did they? And that kind of called into question, well, 248 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: how are they getting their money if this perhaps didn't occur, 249 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: which has led to numerous questions about who funds this group? 250 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: And we try to answer a couple of those in 251 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: that video. I think we also talked about there's one 252 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: called who who does isis work for looking at perhaps 253 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: there are larger goals that isis is you know, trying 254 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: to achieve or that another group is trying to achieve 255 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: through ISIS. That was an interesting delve. I would recommend 256 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: that video. The there's a there's another part here where 257 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: we also talked about in our third video, money Blood 258 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: and God, who funds Terrorism? Which is a juicy title. 259 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: It's a juicy title, and there's some juicy stuff in there. Yeah, 260 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: unpleasant stuff as well. Yeah, when when I learned about 261 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: some of the funding that comes from countries that are 262 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: close allies with the United States, specifically Saudi Arabia, that 263 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: I just kind of freaked me out a little bit. 264 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: And and to be to be clear, one thing that 265 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: I would like to I would like to emphasize when 266 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: we talk about intelligence agencies, when we talk about government 267 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: officials funding the funding the operations of terrorist groups, whether 268 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, whether in Central Asia, Southeast Asia, 269 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: South and Central America, or even the US, this doesn't 270 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: always mean that the entire organization condoned it. It could 271 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: just be one person acting or a fact action of 272 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: people acting in that regard. So let's do a little 273 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: bit of history of ISIS to get to their current state. 274 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: And this is from our earlier video that we had mentioned. 275 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and fourteen, that's when we really 276 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: see the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, better known 277 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: as ISIS, spread across the Middle East. But according to 278 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: the official sources, it begins in the nineties when a 279 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: Jordanian named Abou Mussab al Zarkawi returned home from attempting 280 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: to fight the U. S s R. In Afghanistan. And 281 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: that was right after he got out of prison. He 282 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: was in prison for a while. I think that, and 283 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: that was after Yeah, you said Afghanistan, right, he was 284 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna fight the uss R and joined that fight. But 285 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I think when he got there it was pretty much over, 286 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: um m hmm. And when he got home, I guess 287 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: he had kind of picked up some ideas from from 288 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: people that he was hanging out with, and I think 289 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: he had weapons and explosives in his house. And he 290 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: got arrested for six years and he met more people, right, yeah, 291 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: And eventually he returned to set up a camp for 292 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: terrorists or again, depending on which side of the war 293 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you were on, resistance fighters. In nine he met O 294 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: b l Osama bin Laden, but he refused to join 295 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: al Qaeda. In two thousand one he fled a rock 296 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: and then he eventually constructed The predecessor to the Islamic State, 297 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: Al Zarkawi, died in two thousand six, and as of 298 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, uh IT was the organization known 299 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: as ISIS was led by Abu Bakir al Baghdadi, who 300 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: declared himself Caliph or the calipher ruler of the self 301 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: declared Islamic State. So this story, this official story, seems plausible. 302 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Histories full of groups have become increasingly violent as they 303 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: become increasingly powerful, But there are no shortage of conspiracy 304 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: theories regarding ISIS right now. In the current state of Isaza, 305 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the conflict continues. There's pretty compelling evidence that ISAIS has 306 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: been selling oil to people in Turkey with knowledge of 307 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: the Turkish government. There's also been some pretty um damning 308 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 1: evidence that different factions of other Middle Eastern countries are 309 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: supporting spread of ISIS even while officially opposing it. And 310 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: of course groups that were UH that were and are 311 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: still considered terrorists by other countries are not friendly towards ISAIS, 312 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: and this has become a land of strange bedfellows, you know, 313 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: with the the current proxy war in Syria between Iran, Russia, 314 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: and the US has involved multiple entities that otherwise would 315 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: have been at war with one another, and currently, as 316 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: we record this, their negotiations for truces in the Syrian conflict. However, 317 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: it maybe UH, it may be that ISIS, while thriving 318 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: in this chaos, will meet an end or a dissolution 319 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: or fragmenting, either due to unsustainable internal situations or due 320 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: to the great powers banding together to crush it. Because 321 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: for a time. If you look at the strategy, there 322 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: were opportunistic things. There were um there were governments who 323 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: were using their forces to attack is this on one 324 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: side and drive it towards something else where they wanted 325 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: a region to stabilize. It seems like the fragmentation is 326 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: likely to occur. The The only difference I see with 327 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: this group is their prowess to use online sources. I 328 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: was about to say, to stay connected no matter where 329 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: they are located globally, I mean, and not only are 330 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: they using the online sources like Facebook, etcetera. To recruit, 331 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: they're also using it to disseminate you know, their messages. 332 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: For example, like I saw a video the other day 333 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: that had um it was after the terror attacks in Brussels, 334 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: and it had a lot of footage of all of 335 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: the explosions that there was footage available, and had Donald 336 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Trump quotes talking about how Brussels used to be a 337 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: beautiful place and essentially implying that before all the Muslims 338 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: came in and made it you know, terrible or whatever. 339 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: And so they're basically using stuff from the news, from 340 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: current events and then disseminating it through you know, electronic 341 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: channels and I mean if you think about, you know, 342 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the compared to the way al Qaeda would do things 343 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: like that. I mean they would like distribute like a 344 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: blurry VHS tape of you know, of Osama bin Laden 345 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: talking it was if it wasn't at all, and just 346 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: send it to like news outlets. So I mean this 347 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: is definitely a next generation. Oh yeah, the changing technology. 348 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: They're certainly making use of it. That's a good point. 349 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy today we were talking about 350 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: the something that is not a conspiracy theory, and it 351 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy fact that ISAIS is recruiting in the 352 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: US or attempting to recruit in the US, and not 353 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: just of course in the US, but also in Europe. 354 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: We have read stories of red stories of European often teenagers, 355 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: late teens, being recruited, sometimes honestly but often deceptively to 356 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: travel to uh Syria to join ISIS. And depending on 357 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: a number of things, your nationality, your age, frightening lee enough, 358 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: your gender, and you're I don't know how to see 359 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: this your it's not your social status, it's socio economic background. 360 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: It's not that either, it is just your um it's 361 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: a there's a sense of loneliness that has preyed upon 362 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: by this group, a sense of isolation. Well, let's let's 363 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: talk about some of the specific cases of ISIS recruitment 364 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: in the US. So we're gonna grab some numbers from 365 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen UH that were put out by the New 366 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: York Times, and so as of October of right as 367 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: we get in the end of that year, law enforcement 368 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: inside the United States knew of two hundred and fifty 369 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Americans who had either gone to or we're thinking about 370 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: going to Syria and or Iraq to join up with 371 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: these ISIS fighters. Right and right now, there are I think, 372 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: or at least as of that time October, there were 373 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: nine hundred active investigations into ISIS sympathizers from all of 374 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: the fifty United States. So prosecutors have actually charged seventy 375 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: one people since March various degrees of involvement in ISIS 376 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: activities in the US um the Some of these charges 377 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: include attempting to support terrorist organizations, plotting deadly attacks on 378 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: US soil, um things of that nature. Fifty six of 379 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: these arrests actually took place in um and here are 380 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: some stats that came from the George Washington University Program 381 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: on Extremism analyzing seventy one of these arrests. So people 382 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: involved in the arrest on average were aged six percent, 383 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: mail traveled or had attempted to travel to Iraq or 384 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Syria at some pointent were involved in plots to actually 385 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: carry out these kinds of attacks in the US. American 386 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: citizens converts to Islam and UM twenty one states UM 387 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: were involved in these arrests, and the largest number took 388 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: place in New York and Minnesota and finally involved three 389 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: Americans who actually died in the u US due to 390 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: ISIS related violence. And and something to point out here, 391 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: all of these people that are mentioned, they come from 392 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: various different backgrounds from socioeconomic status is they it's very 393 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: wide and varied. The people who end up being recruited 394 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: or are attempted to be a recruited and this is 395 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: where we arrive at the primary the primary medium or 396 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: mode of recruitment, which would be again, as you said, 397 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: social media, Twitter, Instagram, those are cited. Uh, there's there 398 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: are several specific cases, but let's let's look into one. 399 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: Let's look in this story of a twenty three year 400 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: old American woman named Alex and the story comes to 401 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: us from the New York Times. There's a great article 402 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: you can read if you want to. There's even a 403 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: short video piece you can watch about this. Alex is a, 404 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: as you said, Ben, a young woman. She describes herself 405 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: as lonely. She was a babysitter and a Sunday school teacher. 406 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: Didn't do much. She's in a very rural part of 407 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: Washington State and her day to day life is pretty boring, 408 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: right at least, this is how she describes it, and 409 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: she doesn't have many friends. She's living with her grandparents. Now. 410 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: After the video of James Foley, Uh, he was a journalist. 411 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: This was in August, on August nineteen, he was It 412 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: was a video of him being beheaded by isis alex 413 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: our protagonist here? She she went on Twitter. She she 414 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: wanted to find out why the heck A group would 415 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: do something so horrendous and terrible, and she says, quote 416 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: I was looking for people who agreed with what they 417 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: were doing so that I could understand why they were 418 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: doing it. It was actually really easy to find them 419 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: unquote chilling. And that's where she met a man from 420 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: England's calling himself Faisal most stop again telling her about 421 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Islam and the Islamic state. As she began speaking with 422 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: him and others other sympathizers over the internet, Twitter, email, Skype, 423 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: she was persuaded. She took a vow on Twitter, she 424 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: converted to Islam. And now here's where he gets crazy 425 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: in the context of this story, where Alex probably I 426 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know her, oh feelings should have gone off. I 427 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: guess should have put up some red flags maybe there, Yeah, exactly. Uh, 428 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna read another quote from the article 429 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: quote the only Muslims she knew were those she had 430 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: met online, and Faisel encouraged her to keep it that way, 431 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: arguing that Muslims are persecuted in the US, which is 432 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: to a degree true absolutely, but oh yeah, and she 433 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: could be labeled a terrorist. That he warned her of that, 434 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: and for now it was best for her to keep 435 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: this whole conversation, or all of these conversations that she's 436 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: having a secret, even from her grandparents who she's living with. Well, 437 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean they're attempting to they're radicalizing her. I mean 438 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: they want they don't they don't want her to be exposed. 439 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: She's a really good get at this point. I mean, 440 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: she's someone that's isolated and is I assume white, right, yes, 441 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: and well she's impressionable impressionable, but also I just mean 442 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: in terms of like, they don't want her to all 443 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden change her behavior and start hanging out 444 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: with a different group of people and raise any alarms 445 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: with any kind of law enforcement because they want to 446 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: be able to use her in some way. And here's 447 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: where it kind of gets into the tactics of this group. 448 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: The the circle of people that Alex is speaking with. 449 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: They are there are several dozen accounts operated by several 450 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: people who either directly like say that they are members 451 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: of the Islamic State or who are at least in 452 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: some way sympathizers with the group. Uh. They these people 453 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: collectively spent thousands year that thousands of hours engaging Alex 454 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: for over six months where they're just constantly in communication 455 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: the same thing. At the beginning. It's called a love bomb. Yes, oh, 456 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: we can get into the cult aspect, ben, but yeah, 457 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: they they sent her things through the mail. This Fisal 458 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: guy is in England, remember, so it's not that difficult 459 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: to send something. I mean, it takes a while, but 460 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: they were sending her prayer shawls and I believe Matt's 461 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: and chocolate. Apparently one of the biggest things they sent 462 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: her was chocolate, just tons and tons of chocolate. And 463 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: as they're doing all of this, they're they're indulging her curiosity, 464 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: they're calming her down when she's having you know, when 465 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: she's thinking maybe this isn't a good idea. They're just 466 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: being her friend right there. They're being this lonely isolated 467 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: girl's friend. And especially as they are starting to push 468 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: her towards some of the some of the let's say 469 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: more difficult to grasp concepts behind isis some of the 470 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: more violent parts of it, and something that would you 471 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: couldn't really just flip a switch and just be like, oh, 472 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: okay with this now, I'm kind of have to like 473 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: really really ease someone into it. And then before you 474 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: know it, as Ben was saying, with some of the 475 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: cults indoctrination kind of tactics, before you know what, you're 476 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: doing things you never ever ever would have been considered doing. 477 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: It's the foot in the door tactic used by sales 478 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: folks as well. Right, there's so much support generate a 479 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: positive psychological association with a certain idea, concept or experiment. 480 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: One thing that all human beings have in common is 481 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: that we are frighteningly easy to mislead. So this this story, 482 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: do we have the ending? Well? The ending is that 483 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: her grandmother found out several times throughout the course of 484 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: their communications that she was doing this. And I feel 485 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: like I have to say this. Uh. It's mentioned in 486 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: the article. In the video, Alex suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome, 487 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: and she is very much from a developmental perspective, younger 488 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: than three um and perhaps that is one of the 489 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: reasons that she seems to be more impressionable. And the 490 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: grandmother in particulars tries to guard her from interactions online 491 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: and this one in particular, it was scaring her because 492 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: she didn't really understand the scope or the depth of 493 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: what was happening. But in the documentary, or at least 494 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: the short piece on the New York Times, they show 495 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: the grandmother actually speaking with Faisal and telling them leave 496 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: my granddaughter alone. And the last thing you see in 497 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: the video is oh, and they resumed communication following the 498 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: publication of this. So who knows what's happening with Alex? 499 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: What's going on at the end of the story. I mean, 500 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: at least she was willing to tell her story when 501 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: this is not her real name, by the way, and 502 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: let's also let's remember that this is just one example 503 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: from one country. It is tempting to use broad brush 504 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: strokes when describing why someone would run off to join 505 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: this group. There's it's there is definitely a sense of isolation. 506 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: There's also a sense of anger over the way that 507 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 1: non Muslim countries are treating UH people of the Islamic faith. 508 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: And you know it is it is UH naive at 509 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: best to say that UH to say that Muslims are 510 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: not being persecuted for their religion, even even in countries 511 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: that claim to have UH such a an emphasis on 512 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: religious freedom. However, with that being said, with the idea 513 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: that there are complex, complicated motivations for this, and that 514 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: there are active UH conspiracies, because let's just remember, the 515 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: definition of a conspiracy is people working together in secret 516 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: towards a common goal. Under the definition, then there are 517 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: conspiracies to recruit people into this organization. They're happening now 518 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: as you listen to this broadcast, depending on when you're 519 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: listening to it. UH. The The other thing, and this 520 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: is This is a serious thing, is very sensitive. I 521 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: earlier mentioned gender mattering. Don't want to be alarmist about this, 522 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: but this is a fact. For people who are women 523 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: being you know, let's say, late teens, early twenties, who 524 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: are being um mis old and misled by recruiters working 525 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: on behalf of Isai's they're often convinced or persuaded to 526 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: travel to a part of Iraq or Syria that is 527 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: under Eyes's control with the idea that they will be 528 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: performing humanitarian aid in the in the Holy War, that 529 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: they will be uh you know, helping to save the 530 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: lives of these fighters. And at least three cases that 531 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: we know of they're proven and many more I'm just 532 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: counting the ones I was checking into an offer research. 533 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: What they end up being compelled to do is to 534 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: serve a essentially as prostitutes under what is known as 535 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: uh jahadi marriage. And that is because the Islamic state 536 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: has issued a fatwa, a religious decree, saying that this 537 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: is a righteous thing for women to do. Yeah. Wow. 538 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: In Alex's case, she was told that she would be 539 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: marrying a forty year old balding man. That was all that, 540 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: That was all the information that she got from Faisel, 541 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: But he was a a good Muslim, is what she said. 542 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: And so this this concept of let's see the Islamic state. 543 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: I think the report comes in twent said that Muslim 544 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: women giving themselves sexually to jahadi's is permissible because it 545 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: allows them to continue jahad to empower Islam. And however, 546 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: however controversial and alarmists and strangest must sound, I have 547 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: to emphasize again, this is not the belief of UM. 548 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: This is not the belief of the vast majority of 549 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: this group. So the error and critical thinking that people 550 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: can make all too easily is to to equate one 551 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: extremist faction with every other single practice star of that faith. 552 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: For instance, you know they're very violent, very strange, prejudiced 553 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: and twisted. UH sects of religious groups claim mean that 554 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: they are Christian, right or claiming or claiming that they 555 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: adhere to UM some some obscure branch of Judaism or 556 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: Hinduism or Buddhism, right. But we know that if you 557 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: are a Christian, it does not automatically make you a 558 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: member of the Westboro Baptist Church, hopefully, which pales in comparison, 559 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: of course, to isis uh. But the what I'm pointing 560 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: out here is that it is so easy for us, 561 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: so easy, especially given the way things are reported to 562 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: believe that one example or one group means an entire 563 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: group is rotten and this this is not the case. 564 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: But what is the case is that in Europe, in 565 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: the US, in other Muslim majority countries around the clock, 566 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: there are there are people who are being convinced to 567 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: join up with organization, with this organization, sometimes under false pretenses. 568 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a conspiracy fact. 569 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: We know that the use of internet technology has made 570 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: the cost of communication across the world lower now than 571 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: at any other point in human history. Ever. You know, 572 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: where are you listening to this podcast from? Is it 573 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: not amazing that you could tweet Matt Nolan I or 574 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: anybody that has a Twitter handle and almost instantaneously we 575 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: will be able to have a conversation regardless of where 576 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: we are on the globe. This is a mighty power, 577 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: and like almighty powers, it can harm and it can help. 578 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: You know, fire warms as well as burns, and legislation 579 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: always catches up more slowly than the than the technology. Right, 580 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: technology always outpaces legislation, and earlier we mentioned that opportunistic 581 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: governments are using things like this, which this is a 582 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: real thing online recruitment into extremist religious organizations not just 583 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: isis is a real thing, and it's happening now. But 584 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: is the answer I wanna this is my question for 585 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: you guys and for you listeners. Is the answer to 586 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: give a government entity absolute access to everything you and 587 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: everyone else does online? Who watches the watchman? You know 588 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: what I mean? Will this? Will this be uh protection? 589 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: Will it be a way to prevent acts of terrorism? 590 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: Or will we be simply giving another group of not 591 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: entirely great people a superpower. Well, here, here's one of 592 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: the things we've recently learned from the attacks in Brussels. 593 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: The people who carried out the attacks allegedly we're using 594 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: burner phones, the phones that you can activate and then 595 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: use the minutes up and then throw them away. And 596 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: if that is the case that they're using that technology, 597 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: then giving the FBI or n s A or whoever 598 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: else the keys to your iPhone or your Android or 599 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is so that they can see everything you're doing, 600 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: it might not matter because they might not be able 601 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: to see that phone that's activated and then destroyed immediately afterwards. Yeah, 602 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: that's the technique. Technique has been used for you know, 603 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: a long time. Like I don't know if you ever 604 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: watched The Wire, but a lot of the drug dealer 605 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: characters depicted in that show use burner phones as once 606 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: you can buy a gas station and you use it 607 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: for a period of time and you don't have any 608 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: personal information associated with it. Yeah, and you know, they're 609 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of arguments against allowing that to occur. I've 610 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: heard everything from the potential global blackmail that could be 611 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: generated from from having that. Sure, you know, just the 612 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: basic right of privacy that all of us believed ourselves 613 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: to have. But then also we have we have a 614 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: further issue here, which is that we further issue which 615 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: is that in many countries, this this should not be 616 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: a secret. In many countries, the actions of corporations and 617 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: the actions of states are closely intertwined. So we have 618 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: to ask, when we the people, or when we the 619 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: population of whatever country give this kind of unfettered personal 620 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: access with no accountability to a government. Who else were 621 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: we giving it to? Are we also giving it to 622 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: a large corporation that is active in there are. We 623 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: also assume giving it to a contractor who will carry 624 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: out part of the monitoring duty. Five Eyes has been 625 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: around for a long time, and I it is my 626 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: personal belief that the strange bedfellows of of corporate uh 627 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: and governmental power are are much closer than than are 628 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: are reported. You know, yeah, just just reads Juliana Sande's 629 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: Google is not what you think. I guess it's an 630 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 1: article or statement that he put out when he met 631 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: with some of the heads of Google back in the day. 632 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to see the way alphabet is moving. Who 633 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: knows which is the parent company of Google? Now? So 634 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: let's let's also I have just a few more questions, guys. 635 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 1: I know I'm peppering everyone with questions, but I'm interested, 636 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: uh the following. Do you think that do you think 637 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: that US Western and Middle Eastern intelligence agencies purposefully created ISIS? 638 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: Or do you think it was an unintended consequence? I mean, 639 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where when you shut down 640 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: one group or make it difficult for one group to 641 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: do something, you will have other groups pop up and 642 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: fill the void. Hill. Yeah, I mean I think that's 643 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: that's that's what this is. Now, I definitely don't think 644 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: that the US government was involved in creating it. I mean, 645 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: I think the US government's policially, right, I think the 646 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: US government's policies over a long period of time, UM 647 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: have created groups like these, you know, right. And I 648 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: think one of the questions is, of course, follow the money, 649 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: but secondly in who's who has the most compelling interest 650 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: in a destabilized Middle East? You know what I mean? 651 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: Like that, that's one of the questions. Well, well then 652 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 1: who who would it be then? Because we've also heard 653 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: that the actions of ISIS and Syria have been tacitly 654 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 1: encouraged by the West as a way to stop Russia 655 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 1: from uh successfully retaining their one uh they're there one 656 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: all weather port right, which is based in Syria, and 657 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: also to obtain access to build pipelines right cutting off 658 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: one of Russia's primary exports, which is natural gas to 659 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: Western Europe. So it feels to me, just in an 660 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,720 Speaker 1: answer to your question, the actions of this group feel 661 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: very much it feels like another proxy war, That's what 662 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me in reading the 663 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,919 Speaker 1: news and watching what I why I'm watching, Yeah, I'm 664 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear more about this, you know, and 665 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,439 Speaker 1: it's not. While it is tempting to say that there 666 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: are unassailable good guys in the fight, right, uh, the 667 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: sad truth is that there are innocence line and that 668 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: is one of the most uh, crucial factors of this. 669 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: You know. War is rarely a matter of hero and 670 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: a villain. War is often a lot of villains, or 671 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: at the very least a lot of self interested people. 672 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: And I'm not by any means, and not any by 673 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: any means, calling terrorist groups heroes. I think that's fundamentally offensive. 674 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,919 Speaker 1: Maybe it is, maybe maybe you're right. I mean, let's 675 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: also consider that a lot of the people who were uh, 676 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,280 Speaker 1: who were embroiled as children in conflicts in the Middle East, 677 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: had felt they had no other choice but to join 678 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: some sort of resistance, right, And with this in mind, 679 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: we'd like to hear your answers. What what do you 680 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,879 Speaker 1: think of the possibility of intelligence network involvement or state 681 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: sponsorship of ISIS? And I'm also interested, what do you 682 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 1: think the future ELIZIS is? Right now, it looks like 683 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,760 Speaker 1: the organization is not thriving, and it looks like superpowers 684 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: or states or other organizations that would normally be against 685 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: one another, maybe banding together to combat ISIS and uh, 686 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: but one once it's quelled or fragmented, what comes next? 687 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: What happens next? That's always the question with the Middle East, 688 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: isn't it? Well, I guess that's always the question with 689 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: Geoe politics in general. Right, so right to us, Let 690 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: us know. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter. 691 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy stuff. You can check out every podcast 692 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: that Noel, Matt and I have ever done on our website. 693 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know dot com. And 694 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: before we go, some of you have already written to us. 695 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: And that's why we're gonna go into this little space 696 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 1: that we like to call shout at corners. First shout 697 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: out of the day goes to jag Lulu or at 698 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: Square Moon. She says, quote, your fake British accent is 699 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: so bad that it's too good. You have to do 700 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: the next shout out, shout out in a British accent, 701 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: so that you're not doing that well. Because I don't 702 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: know if she was talking to me or to you. 703 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: Was that you, Ben? Was that you who butchered the 704 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: British accent? Don't look at me that way. Think it 705 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,879 Speaker 1: was pretty sure. Guys, I do sketch comedy. Of course, 706 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: all my accents are based on what will work in 707 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 1: sketch comedy. I'm not trying to go to Heathrow and impersonate, Okay, 708 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: because this is a listener driven show and it appears 709 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,879 Speaker 1: my producers and co hosts have put me in one 710 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: hell of a corner, a shout out corner. It's I'm 711 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: getting shouted at. I will be after this. What kind 712 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: of guys, What kind of British accent do you want? 713 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: Do you want more posh? Do you want more Michael Caine? 714 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: Do your Michael Caine? Okay, you're my, but more Michael 715 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: Kaye's tamrible? Can you do Michael Caine from the streets? Uh? 716 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: Cock me, Michael Kaine. You know what, guys, I'm just 717 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: gonna do just just a generic, terrible British accent. Apologies 718 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: to everyone here here as well as the royal family, 719 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: but you're welcome you God save the Queen? Oh gosh, yeah, 720 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you think this will mean the 721 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: Queen stops listening to our show? You have my main 722 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: She'll dive shock Okay, I'll second shout out goes to 723 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: Kelsey Griffin. Geeky Kelsey shout out to conspiracy stuff for 724 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,959 Speaker 1: getting me through like eighteen hours of driving this week. 725 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: And have you done I'm going Cockney, have you done 726 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: one on cryptids yet? So? Yeah? Have we done one 727 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: on cryptids? That man, that's embarrassing. That was sort of 728 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: like a Kiwi British hybrid. I'm having I'm having trouble 729 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: because I've been working on my Kiwi accent. It's a sticky, 730 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: sticky weeky, sticky week stik. What's the beats? Let's watch 731 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: out for bats. Oh that's how that offended everyone. No, 732 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: not yet. If anything, um, someone with a decent British 733 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: accent right in and tell tell me, I'll do it. 734 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: And you know, technically, if you consider it from an 735 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: historical standpoint, then guys, no, Matt, we're the ones with 736 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: the accent because English came from England, so really weird. 737 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get over my my terrible American accent. 738 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: We are the music makers and we are the dreamers 739 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: of dreams. So next we have one from Sean at 740 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: Doctor Hypno toad is that one of those toads that 741 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: when you look at it makes you that's a Futurama reference. 742 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: Are you serious? He's like the best character in Future 743 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: and he's the third best character in Futurama. It goes 744 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,959 Speaker 1: Dr Zoidberg Bender and then the hypno toad. Sean says 745 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,479 Speaker 1: that he was the one who wrote in and asked 746 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: us to do an episode on big Farmer conspiration excuse, 747 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: which we did. Yeah, thank you so much for writing in, Sean, 748 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: And you know, I appreciate that because I remember we 749 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: were looking for we were asking ourselves who wrote in 750 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: and recommended that excellent topic for us. So now the 751 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: truth is revealed, and this concludes this installment of Shout 752 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: Out Corner? Did you want to be like Sean and 753 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,399 Speaker 1: all of the other wonderful human beings that wrote into 754 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: us to give us an idea for a topic. We're 755 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 1: getting emails all the time, thank you so much for 756 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: writing in. If we haven't responded yet, hopefully we will 757 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: get to that very very soon. Take us to task. 758 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,720 Speaker 1: Call us a bunch of jerks, you know we're glutton's 759 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: for that stuff. Just just dish it, kidding And you 760 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: can send those emails to Jonathan dot Strickland at how 761 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,399 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com or if you want to send 762 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: us nice things. Yes, you can send those two conspiracy 763 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com.