1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is not supported by Hermit crabb Ray sing. Instead, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: it's supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Visit patreon dot com slash thinking Sideways to learn more 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: stories of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hi, there, 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: welcome to do another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Joe, 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: joined as always by Steve and Deviny. Here we are again. 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: How this happened? I don't know. It just happens every 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: long time up and here it was. I think someone's 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: been drugging us. Actually really weird. Yeah, this is kind 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: of like mnesty. We're just there. We're trapped on the 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: space station. We're forced to solve another crappy mystery every year. 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Explains my fear of space. Yeah, okay, let's talk about 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: a mystery. This is one that you've heard of. I'm 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: pretty sure this is brought to the world by Plato. 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,919 Speaker 1: Remember Plato, the Greek philosopher or not not the silly 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I know that one. Yeah yeah yeah, 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: student of Socrates. So I'm sorry, I saw accident. I 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: know crazy, it's so great. So's your buddy. Yeah, it's 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: a good movie. Come on, man, Yeah, you know what. 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: I didn't want to see that movie. I kind of 22 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: love expectations, but actually it was really good. That's a 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: good movie. Okay. Anyway, back to our thing, uh Plato, yes, uh. 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: And the story came out in two of his dialogues 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: with The first was to Mas, in which Plato told 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: the story that had been handed down as the family 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: tree from his great great great great grandfather Slim, who 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: was an elder statesman in Greece. It had been handed 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: down to Plato, had been handed down to Toms and 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: the story it was handed down to somebody else. Yes, 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: and the story. But you know, I think Plato itself 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: himself heard the story. Oh that's right. Is the name 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: of the thing, not the name of Sorry. Sorry. So 34 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Tomatoes is a dialogue between Socrates and a guy named Critias, 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: but it's of course written by Plato, and Socrates asked 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: Critias for a good story, So he tells the story 37 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: of Salon's trip to Egypt two years before, because supposedly 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Critius heard it from his grandfather who had got who 39 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: had had it passed down from his father who got 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: it from Solon. But anyway, in Plato's words, Salon was 41 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: the wisest of the seven stages um. He was obviously 42 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: highly respected ancestor and all around great guy. But long 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: before Plato was born, Salon traveled to Egypt and met 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: with the priests in the city of Sais, and they 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: told him the story of Atlantis. So that's our story 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: this week. Atlantis due. So we're going to figure out 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: if who really lived there was an aquaman or a 48 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: sub mariner, which one was real and which one got 49 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: ripped off by the other comic book line. Is that 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: what we're talking about? Yeah, we will talk about that. Yeah, sweet, 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: they will stole it from Donovan. Does either of you 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: know how to pronounce the submariner's name. It's an A 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: M O R and I never is it nam or. 54 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I can never name more. I always thought nay more. 55 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: But there's nothing in there to make it an a 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: other than the letter as going to say, other than 57 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: the letter A. Sorry, I took us off track right away, Sorry, 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: immediately immediately. It's what I'm good for. Yeah. The only 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: thing manual labor back to our story that the reason 60 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: the subject came up is Salon had asked the priests 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: about antiquity and if they knew any ancient or history 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and what they already knew were in Greece and what 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: I've said. I'm not going to quote them, but essentially 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: the priests said that the Greeks are never anything but 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: children and there's never an old man among you. And 66 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Salon was asked him what he meant, and the priest said, essentially, 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: people have no history to speak of because you're always 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: being wiped out by natural disasters. Yeah. So there would be, 69 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe an earthquake and then a heat tsunami, 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: and that would just wipe out everybody in the towns 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: and the only people that would survive were the shepherds 72 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: and then the hicks up in the hills who didn't 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: know how to read or write, and so the civilization 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: was essentially wiped out and go back to the Dark 75 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: Ages and back to the Dark Ages. Yeah, and Greece 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: did go through a Dark Age prior to at least 77 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: one yeah, at least one. Yeah. Anyway, back to Atlantis. 78 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: This supposedly happened nine thousand years before Solon's visit to Egypt, 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: although there's some dispute about the nine thousand years and 80 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: there's there are plausible theories that there could have been 81 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: a transcription era. We you're talking nine thousand years what 82 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: happened nine thousand years also solids what visit would have 83 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: been about what sixth century BC, around sixth century BC, 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: I think, And then it would have been nine thousand 85 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: years before that years BC is when the is the 86 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: story that they're talking about happening. Is Yeah, what the 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: whole Atlantis thing happened? Okay? So okay, because that that 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: wasn't exactly clear, so I just making sure I understood 89 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, and uh, but of course, like I said, 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: it could have been possibly nine hundred years, which makes 91 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: it about somebody missed a decimal point. Somebody put it 92 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: at an extra zero there. Yeah, And there was a 93 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: Greek Dark Age is from which no written records exist, 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: and I think written Greek immerged again with the Iliad 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: and the Odyssey, which we're written. It's believed in the 96 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: seventh of the eighth century BC, and we don't know. Well, 97 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: that's the hard part with that is that we don't 98 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: know exactly when they started writing versus the things that 99 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: we found. That's always the difficulty with things like written languages. 100 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: They may have been doing it for a hundred years, 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: but on things that crumbled, Yeah, and so we can't 102 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: place it. Yeah, it's yeah, but you know, I mean 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: typically in times of what these people do is they 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: will cast stuff in clay also, and those things are 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: usually more survivable than than papyrus or whatever they were using, 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: not if they gets washed away to see though, that's 107 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah, they might be h I mean, 108 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: who knows, you know what I mean, there might be 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff down there under the water. Yeah, yeah, 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: or it gets crushed up. I mean yeah, that's how 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: sand gets made, right wave action. Yeah, maybe your beach 112 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: may actually just be like old crushed up stories. It 113 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: could be. I'm never going to the beach again. Ruined 114 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: it for me. This claim that there have been a 115 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: previous form of written Greek, which is what the priests 116 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: are saying, was news obviously to Solon, and also claim 117 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: that there have been a previous Greek civilization was also 118 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of kind of news to him. It turns out 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: the Egyptians at that time at least had better records 120 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: on Greek history than the Greeks had themselves, because they 121 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: weren't getting wiped out. They weren't getting wiped out. Yeah, 122 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: And they also had a high regard for the Athenians. 123 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: They decided to tell Solon the story of the greatest 124 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: thing that Athens had ever done. And this was pretty 125 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: dark ages obviously, uh. And so the great thing was 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: is way back in the day again, either at hunter 127 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: BC or FIFTC, civilizations of the eastern Mediterranean came into 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: attack by a mysterious see people and so that was 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: Athens in Egypt, among others were essentially and see people 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: were trying to conquer them and enslave them. And apparently 131 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: they already controlled the western Mediterranean they see people. Uh, 132 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: and these invading armies one of the control of the 133 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: kings of Atlantis, and which the Egyptians described as a 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: great island located outside the Pillars of Heracles or depending 135 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: apparently Greek should be Gibraltar, right, yeah, yeah, the Pillars 136 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: of Heracles. They most likely was Gibraltar, but we don't 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: really know a hundred percent for sure about that. And 138 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: also it's possible, depending on because of language and everything 139 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: like that, it's possible that it was just inside I mean, 140 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: typically it's said to be outside the Straits of Gibraltar. Yeah, 141 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: but it could have been inside And also, as I said, 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: there's there's other places that are nominees for the pillars 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: of Heracles also, so maybe it wasn't even Gibraltar. Yeah, 144 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: it's according to the writings, it kind of moved around 145 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah it did, ye, which is weird. Yeah. Yeah, 146 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: it seems like the designation of pillars of Heracles was 147 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: just whatever the limits of you know, navigation words, however 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: far you could get. We've reached the pillars, pillars. We 149 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: can't go past the pillars past those. Yeah. Hey, so 150 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: I totally went by them. So we're now so they're 151 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: out there somewhere that couldn't have possibly been the pillars, 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: No pillars. Yeah, so what else do we know about Atlantis? 153 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Let's see here, So Athens went to war and single 154 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: handedly defeated Atlantis and spared everybody from the slavement, so 155 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, happy ending and all that. But then afterwards 156 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: there were violent earthquakes and floods in Athens, and in 157 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: a single day and night, and I'll quote here from them, 158 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: the Athenians sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis, 159 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: in like manner, disappeared in the depths of the sea, 160 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,359 Speaker 1: for which reason to see in those parts is impassable 161 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: and impenetrable, because there's a hole of mud in the way, 162 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: and this is caused by the subsidence of the island. Unquote. Yeah, yeah, 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: so yeah, that's that's so. That's a head scratcher, there, 164 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: don't I'm not sure where these shoals of mud were. 165 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Maybe they've gotten washed away since I don't know. It's 166 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: been a long time. It's been over a thousand years, 167 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: several thousand years, if it's true. Yeah, it's been a 168 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: long time. And I should note that after Critius tells 169 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: his tale of Atlantis, Plato, putting words in Socrates mount 170 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: was so great, smounce, excuse me, I sharees the reader 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: that the story is true. Yeah, and and and so 172 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: that was the tom Us. Next the next dialog ory 173 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: Matches is the Critias, where he again recounts the story 174 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: told the Egyptians or by the Egyptians to Solon, but 175 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: this time Curtius talks about Athens in Atlantis and a 176 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of greater detail. So prior to the great disaster 177 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: that wiped out Greek civilization, the Acropolis and Athens, you 178 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: know that place where and all that. Yeah, yeah, that 179 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: big old hill. It was larger, but apparently a single 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: night of earthquakes and inundation washed away a lot of it. 181 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: And prior to that disaster, the warrior class of Athens 182 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: lived off by themselves on the north side of the hill, 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: where they had dwellings, dining halls and stuff like that. 184 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: There was a fountain or a spring which supplied all 185 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: their needs for water, but that earthquake choked it off 186 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: and it was no more filled up with debris. Yeah. Yeah, 187 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: I'm leaving out a lot of detail here, but you 188 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: can all go read the critius also if you're interested 189 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: totally on the international Yeah, yeah, but do remember the spring, 190 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: Remember that spring? Remember it. That's a brief description of 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: Athens way back in the day prehistory of pre dark ages, 192 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: and that's in the Yeah, and then description of Atlantis 193 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: is very detailed. Yeah, and in fact it's so detailed 194 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave a lot of it out. But you you, 195 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: luckily for us, you formatted this in some bullet points, 196 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: so it's easy to digest. Yeah, there's there's a little bit, 197 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: little nuggets of information. Yeah, so what do we know? 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: What we know about Atlantis is it was created by Poseidon, 199 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: that's the god decided. Yeah, and he created it for 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: he's falling in love with this woman in Clito, and 201 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: so he wanted to make a special island where she 202 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: could be kind of isolated so other guys couldn't because 203 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: he was jealous. Yeah, exactly. Well he was a Greek god. 204 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean they always were. They were very jealous, Yeah, 205 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: they were. Yeah, So he creates this island. The island 206 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: was about five states across. The state is uh, it varies. 207 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: It generally is named after stadium and so it's the 208 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: length of a stadium, and stadiums, of course varied in sizes, 209 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: and so a state could be five feet, six feet, 210 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: seven hundred feet about. So I picked the average, which 211 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: is about six feet so that's yeah around there. Yeah. 212 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: And then he so he cut one circular channel which 213 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: was which filled with water. Uh. And then and that's 214 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: that was one statewide. Is this radiating from the center 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: of the island. Is that where you're Is that where 216 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: all of these numbers come from? As we start in 217 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: the center of an island and then go out a 218 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: state and then there's a ring cut. Yeah, Okay, picture 219 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't working. Yeah, it's like a target. It's a 220 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: bulls eye. So the islands in the middle, and that's 221 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: five hundred states or five states, okay, and then it's 222 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: surrounded by a ring of water. This one stayed one. 223 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: And then that ring of water isn't turned surrounded by 224 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: a ring of land that's two states wide, which is 225 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: surrounded by a ring of water that is two states wide, 226 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: which is surrounded by Yeah. I know, it's confusing. It 227 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: it's so much easier to just look at a diagram 228 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And the third the third ring is 229 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: three states and three states, and the outer ring of 230 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: water is three states wide. And then yeah, and then 231 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: beyond that, Yeah, there was a wall. Um, let's see 232 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: the wall surrounded the entire thing, also circular about six 233 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: miles out from the outermost ring of water, which I 234 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: did a little math, and if the wall really did 235 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: completely encircle the city, that would be forty seven miles long. 236 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: It's a long wall. Yeah. Uh, you know, I mean 237 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: the ancient Greeks were good with stone work. They could 238 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: build walls fast, so maybe you know, it could be. 239 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: Of course, these aren't the Greeks. What am I saying? Yeah, 240 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: but people back in those days that was stone easily. 241 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: And then a channel was cut through the rings and 242 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: out to the sea, so they were all connected. They 243 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: were all connected to the sea, so channel. Yeah, so 244 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: apparently Atlantis was s sea level. That kind of makes sense, right, uh. Yeah. 245 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: And then between the outer wall, between the outer water 246 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: ring and the wall, that was a commercial section of 247 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: the city, apparently densely populated. And then um bridges were 248 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: built over the channels so that, you know, if you 249 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: were on one of those rings of land and you're 250 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: on one side of the channel, you want to get 251 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: to the other side, you don't just go all the 252 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: way around, if you just go over the bridge. That's 253 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: what bridges are. Four. Yeah, I know, So that was 254 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: that was convenient. And then on the central island, the 255 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: kings of Atlantis built a huge palace for themselves and 256 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: also a temple Poseidon and Clito and the grove of Poseidon, 257 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: which was also apparently really cool and had lots of 258 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: nimpty trees. It also had hot and cold springs and 259 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: stole by Poseidon because he was a plumber. Yeah, I 260 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: guess so, yeah, uh. And then most of the buildings 261 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: were and walls and everything were built of a stone 262 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: that was red, white, and black. So that's a detail 263 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: you you need to remember. Can I ask a question 264 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: about that? So I never I never really got a 265 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: clear impression of this. Is it there were red stones, 266 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: there were white stones, and there were black stones, or 267 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: is it more kind of like granite where it's modeled 268 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: from red's too blacks to white? You know, I've never 269 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: seen a picture of this legendary rock, but I'm in 270 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: the descriptions. You know. Sometimes people were like, it was 271 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: it was this, this and this, or it was this, 272 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: that and this, and I never really found out a 273 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: whole lot of about the rocks. Yeah, it's all three colors, 274 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: by understand, it's all three colors in one rocky, so 275 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: it's multi colored. Yeah. Adjacent to the city there was 276 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: an oblong playing that was two thousand by three thousand states, 277 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: which is two hundred thirty by three forty miles for 278 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: those those of you were you lit mired in the 279 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: old fashioned meter system's three hundred seventy by five fifty kilometers. 280 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: There was a channel cut all the way around the 281 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: plane for irrigation, which was criss crossed by other channels 282 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: that were spaced a hundred states apart, and then um 283 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: to the north. There were huge mountains. Water would flow 284 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: out of the mountains and flow into those irrigation channels 285 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: and so, yeah, good for agriculture and just a few 286 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: other things things about Atlantis. It had large deposits of 287 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: ur a calcum. I think that's how that's pronounced, yeah, 288 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: I which is described as a metal more precious than 289 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: anything but gold. But nobody knows what it is. There 290 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: they have been besides Plato, there have been some other 291 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: places nature manuscripts where they found mention of this metal. 292 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: But nobody knows precisely what it is. Yeah, it could 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: be it could be it could be copper too, I 294 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but it could be a lot of things. Yeah. 295 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Last of all, give a brief mention to the elephants. Yes, 296 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: there were elephants in Atlantis and so, but I don't 297 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about that too much. I know that 298 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: the description sometimes it's a little hard to follow, but 299 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: there are drawings illustrations based off of this. Totally check 300 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: them out. It makes a lot of sense once you 301 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: look at that. But the bull's eye is essentially what 302 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing was. Yeah, a dark, giant dartboard. Yeah, 303 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: just a big old god's dartboard, and eventually it became one. Yeah, great, 304 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: mass was less anyway, if you if you are interested 305 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: in reading more details, the Critious is actually online. You 306 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: can just do a Google and you'll find it out there. 307 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so I've mentioned Yeah, all of these 308 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, all of these historic works are yeah pretty much. Yeah, 309 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: which is awesome. Yeah. Uh, the life in Atlantis was 310 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: pretty good for a long time because you know, there 311 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: were these people were kind of descended from the gods 312 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: because besides Mate it with his his woman and they 313 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: had like tens five sets of twins and who became 314 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: kings of Atlantis, you know, and so these people were 315 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: all sort of had god blood in them and everything. 316 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: But then you know, the story goes generation after generation 317 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: that blood gets stand out a little bit more. But 318 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: didn't they also I swear I remembered something about they 319 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: kept subdividing the island for the next generation to have 320 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: their own to own. Is that correct? Yeah, So the 321 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: next generation from those five sets of twins got parts 322 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: of the island and it just sort of cut overpopulated. Yeah, 323 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: that's why they had to take to see and go 324 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: out cocker of the land. That as his typical in 325 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: these stories, the Atlantans lost their way, became more consumed 326 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: with greed and lust for power and ye you know, yeah, 327 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: and were warlike, and Zeus decided they needed to be 328 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: punished so that they could see the errors of their ways. 329 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: What Us decided people needed to be punished. He never 330 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: does that. Never right now? Uh so we're still in 331 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the Critius. He calls all the guys together for a 332 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: comfab Just as he was about to speak, the story ends. Yeah, 333 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: the last sentence read and all reads, and I will quote. 334 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: And when he had called them together, he spake as follows, unquote, 335 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: not even not even a period. That's the first cliffhanger, right, 336 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: there is a cliffhanger. Yeah, I don't know some pages 337 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: got lost, or if Plato died, or if you got arrested. 338 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Plato invented the cliffhanger. That was it. Yeah, 339 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: he was doing an intentional thing. Yeah, he invented the cave, 340 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: didn't he. Yeah, that was the cave. Did you did 341 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: you read the Republic? Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm I'm mostly 342 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: making fun of things. Yeah, the cave well that's a mystery, 343 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: but we'll tackle that another time. So that's that's the 344 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: whole thing, I mean, the mystery of Atlantis. Was it true? 345 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: So it's kind of an either or kind of thing, 346 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: yes or no? Yeah, yes or no? It is a 347 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: true or not. What do you guys think? There are 348 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: people out to say Plato made it all up. It 349 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time he invented some sort of 350 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: a Yeah. I think it's an allegory. Yeah. Though the 351 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: problem with this is an allegory is it's kind of hard. 352 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: It's not really clear what points he's trying to make 353 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: with this story. Well the point the point comes after 354 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: and when he called them all together he spake as follows, 355 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: that's the I mean, the next part of that, right, 356 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: that's when it brings it all together, and you go, oh, yeah, 357 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: that's what the allegory was all about. He's never finished it. 358 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: It was the seventeen book in the Wheel of Time 359 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: series that tied it all together, but it never got written. 360 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah it did. Yeah, yeah, I know, but no, I 361 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: it's it's I personally feel like it's got to be 362 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: an allegory and he was just drawing on references that 363 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: he knew. I mean, he did things like that in 364 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, yeah, you've done. Like I said, there's 365 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a cave in the Republic. But when he wrote, when 366 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: he told the story of the cave, it's he makes 367 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: it very clear that this is not real. It makes 368 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: it very very clear. That's a it's an analogy and um, 369 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: and it is to illustrate a very very basic point 370 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: about philosophy and reality and the way ordinary people who 371 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: are not philosophers see the world compared to how philosophers 372 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: see the world. So, yeah, that's what spoilers. Philosophers are 373 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: better in every way. Yeah, exactly. Here's but here's the 374 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: thing is that when we think of the writings of 375 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: really famous people that are considered to be master works, 376 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: we never see or very rarely see the contemporary critique 377 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: that they received when they first put it out there. 378 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: You don't see that they were getting heckled and everybody 379 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: was like, you shouldn't have done this, that was so terrible. 380 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: And it's not till a hundred or a thousand years 381 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: later people like, oh my gosh, this is really great. 382 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: And the critiques, which were mostly verbal, never got recorded, 383 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: so it could very well be that when he did this, 384 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm making this up. I'm telling you now, I made 385 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: this up. Everybody was like, that was so dumb. That 386 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: was the worst part of that story. Why did you 387 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: do that? So he's like, okay, I we'll do it again. 388 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: It's totally real this time. Okay, I mean it's possible. Yeah, well, definitely, 389 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: I would. I would have to agree that he had 390 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: to have he or somebody had to have embellish the 391 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: story just a little bit because the idea of these 392 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: uh this island surrounded by these canals and everything like that. 393 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean they were huge, and so obviously it would 394 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: have had to have been some sort of a natural 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: formation because we didn't have our Poseidon men couldn't have 396 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: dug that aliens could have. Aliens could possible. Yeah, good point. 397 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: It could be an alien charging station. We didn't know. Yeah, 398 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: it could have actually just been like, yeah, the landing spot, 399 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the outline is the outline of the spaceship. We figured 400 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: it out, guys, Yeah, we can finish okay. Yeah. But yeah, 401 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: And if there was one detail that that Plato made up, 402 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: it was probably the rings because he loves circles. He 403 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: was in geometry and all that stuff, and he likes 404 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: circles a lot, so well, the other the other possibility 405 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: is that he didn't make it up. Yeah, and frankly like, 406 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: if he didn't make it up, then what happened to Atlantis? Right? 407 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Or is it? That's the next question? Right, is the 408 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: next question. We'll talk about that in a minute. Okay, Yeah, Well, 409 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: here's here's what I think is evidence that he didn't 410 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: make it up, that it was the truth. Yeah, okay, 411 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: the truth, at least partially the truth, well based in truth. Yeah. 412 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: Remember the spring on the Acropolis that was Yeah, that 413 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: didn't exist in Plato's day. Well, okay, so how does 414 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: that prove Well, yeah, because an archaelogical expedition uncovered that 415 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: same spring in the nineteen thirties. Oh so it did 416 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: exist at one time, but not when Plato was around. Yeah, 417 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: it existed. It existed many many years before. And then 418 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: and then they went into the Dark Ages, all writing 419 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: was lost. And then and then solom goes to Egypt 420 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: and the Egyptians tell him about the spring that existed 421 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: that nobody knew that existed. Then is it actually documented 422 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: that the spring didn't exist when Plato was writing? As 423 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: far as I know, that it was it was found 424 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties, Okay, and there was there was 425 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: not a spring there. Well, I think what Devon's getting 426 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: at was there was there mentions of it another writing. Yeah. 427 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I guess the question is, like, 428 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, it would be pretty easy for him to say, 429 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then this spring got covered up even 430 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: though it was still there, and then it got covered 431 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: up in the introim and then it was rediscovered. Oh yeah, 432 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it was still there because the way 433 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: he told that, the way he told the story is 434 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: there was a spring, but it was choked off. And 435 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: I guess he's telling people in Athens and they would 436 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: they would probably go they'd be like, wait, no, no, no, 437 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: that springs there. What we're talking? Yeah, but this story 438 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: is totally true. Yeah, okay, Yeah, good point. Okay, So 439 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's a detail of the Egyptians told Salon 440 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: that he and have known himself. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. 441 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: The thing about it is is there could have been 442 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: even after the win at the Dark Ages, there could 443 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: have been stories that were passed down from generation to 444 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: generation even without writing. Yeah, but if you're gonna tell 445 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: the story, you've gotta tell the story of like you know, 446 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: like the guts and glory and stuff like that. You're 447 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: not going to talk about the spring on top of 448 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: the acropolis. Probably old men sit around and just talk 449 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: about stuff over and over. You might, Yeah, especially if 450 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: you were a part of the warrior class and you 451 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: had lived over there, and you're sitting there and see, man, 452 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: you remember how great it was when we had that 453 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: spring that was so sweet, that was high living gener 454 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: Remember that story Grandpa used to tell about spring. That 455 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: was the most boring story ever. Yeah, I think I 456 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: think the warrior class all got wiped out. It was 457 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: all It was all the sheep, sheep orders up in 458 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the hills who survived. Another another clue, A lot of 459 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: clay tablets have been found in Greek ruins that were 460 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: described with a secure non Greek language. It turns out 461 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: though that it's uh these day, back to before the 462 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Greek Dark Ages, and the language has been named linear 463 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: B and appear. It appears that that is an earlier 464 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: form of written Greek. So there's linear A and linear B, 465 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: which one has been deciphered. I want to say it's A, 466 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I love they had both been deciphered, 467 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: and they weren't. No, I think only one of them 468 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: have been deciphered in there there. I can't remember their ones. 469 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: They're both related to each other. It's been a long 470 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: time since I've read about linear and A and BI. 471 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Last time I read about it was what was that 472 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: The Codebreaker? Remember that book? Ye? Yeah, that was the 473 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: last time I read about linear A and B. Linear 474 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: B has been deciphered. Okay, so it's A that has not. 475 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: I can it's not important to the story. Just suddenly 476 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: couldn't remember that. I know, it's hard to keep track 477 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: of that stuff, but uh so this is another interesting detail. 478 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: This stuff was buried, you know, long long ago in 479 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: ancient ancient ruins, and there was no way that Plato 480 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: knew that there have been a previous form of written Greek, 481 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: and yet the Egyptians knew. So that's another interesting clue. 482 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: And another thing is the story itself at the ending. 483 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of a down to ending because Atlantis gets there. 484 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: There's just come up in the story, which is the 485 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: way these things are Athens. Athens gets it too. Yeah, 486 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: although I guess that that does lead a lot of 487 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: credence to the fact that it was real, because natural 488 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: disaster is like a huge earthquake or tsunami or something 489 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: like that. You know, if it's a sea people that's coming, 490 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: it's likely that if it's an earthquake that big, it 491 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: would probably destroy other places like Athens. Right, so that's 492 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: but maybe not Egypt because it's too far away. Yeah, yeah, different. Yeah. 493 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: I think that when you're telling telling a parable and 494 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to illustrate a point, than you know, you 495 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: want to have the good guys live happily ever after. Yeah, 496 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: unless the point is it doesn't matter what you do. 497 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: If you engage in war, you're screwed. Yeah. Maybe he 498 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: was making and maybe he was making the point that 499 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: life is random, and you know, even if you try 500 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: to do good, you're gonna get smitten by the gods 501 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: or smited by the gods. I like smitten smitten. Yeah, yeah, 502 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: I'd rather have to get smitten with me smiting me. 503 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: The chances are pretty good that was made. Yeah. Yeah, 504 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: any gods out there listening, Yeah dude. Uh well. My 505 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: last point is that the story has playto's ancestors Solon 506 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: relating this information and also Socrates assures the reader that 507 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: the story is true. And Socrates, of course, as we 508 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: as we know, is Plato's mentor, highly respected by Plato. 509 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't it be kind of disrespectful to Salon 510 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: and Socrates. Socrates, excuse me, you have to put lies 511 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: in their mouths. So for a little expert on this issue, 512 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Mark Adams. And I'm sure 513 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: all you heard of Mark, but for a few of 514 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: you that haven't, he's written a book called Meet Me 515 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: in Atlantis, which came out a year to ago. I'm 516 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: not sure when it came out about a year ago, yeah, yeah, 517 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: which is a really good source if you want to 518 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: learn more about Atlantis, because I mean, obviously who doesn't. Yeah, 519 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: and he goes into it a lot more details, So 520 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: if you're interested in that, I would like to point 521 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: out before we talk to Mark that he is actually 522 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: a nonfiction writer. He used to work for Outside magazine. 523 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: It's written another book called Turned Right at Rochu Picchu, Yeah, 524 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: which I just finished. Good book. But he's a nonfiction writer. 525 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: He's not a crank. He's he's very skeptical of all 526 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: this stuff. But it really it was great to talk 527 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, no, well, yeah, Yeah, so asked the 528 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: question of whether it would be disrespectful to uh, to 529 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: Salon and to Socrates. Uh. We put that question to 530 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: Mark Adams. You know it might have been. But again, 531 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, um, I don't want to go back into 532 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: my like post structuralist terminology that drove me out of 533 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: grad school in the early night. But you know, he's 534 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: using a series of masks here. You know, he's he 535 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: could be hiding behind Socrates to say something that he 536 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: wants to uh, you know, play with. So we you know, 537 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: we can't know whether he intended that to be real, 538 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: or whether he you know, was using that as some 539 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: sort of rhetorical device or or you know whatnot. Um. So, 540 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, if if we knew for a fact that 541 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: this was intended as a piece of written history, yes 542 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: it would have been disrespectful for him to put those 543 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: words in the mouth of of Socrates or into the 544 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: mouth of Solon. You know. But that's that's another thing 545 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: that we have to deal with here, another layer, which 546 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: is that written history in three sixty b C. You know, 547 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: this is still new technology. This is you know, as 548 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: far as the Greeks are concerned, this is technology that's 549 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: less than a hundred years old, you know, Herodotus has 550 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: has you know, the father of history has just started 551 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: doing this stuff about a hundred years before, you know, 552 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: writing down history rather than allowing it to be passed 553 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: on orally. And when it's when history has passed on orally, 554 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: it's done in the form of stories which have become myths. 555 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: You know. So now from our vantage point, we have 556 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: to decode those myths and and try to pluck the 557 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: truth out. And this is you know, this is a 558 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: lot of what archaeologists and anthropologists do. So, you know, Plato, 559 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: through the character of Socrates, wrestling with this idea, you know, 560 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: is written history true or is oral history true? Things 561 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: that are passed down the story is true, and I 562 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: think it's in the republic Um. No, it's actually in 563 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: a different work, but I can't remember which. You know. 564 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Socrates comes out and and says, you know, look, I 565 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: actually trust oral history more. I you know, trust things 566 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: that are that are passed down not in writing, because 567 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: you can engage with them, you can argue with them, 568 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, whereas written history is just sort of this 569 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: lump right here and you can't you can't sort of 570 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, poke the holes in it. It is what 571 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: it is, um, you know. So that's just one more 572 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: gigantic problem sitting in the middle of the attempt to 573 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: try to solve the Atlantis story. All right, So that 574 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: that's my whole thing. And then those four things, the spring, 575 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: the tablets that turned out, the the written out, the 576 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: written at that was lost, the unhappy ending for Athnes 577 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: which makes no sense, and also the respect issue. This 578 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: makes you think that probably this was a true story 579 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: at least in play those eyes at least, yeah, at 580 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: least that maybe so long was told that story by 581 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: the Egyptians. Yeah, whether they were pulling the wall over 582 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: his eyes, well, that's possible. The thing about it is 583 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: is they knew stuff that was true. Yeah, that's true, 584 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And the idea of a city disappearing 585 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: is not totally crazy. There was an ancient Greek city 586 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: of Heliki, which was wiped out by an earthquake and 587 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: the tsunami. When you heard of those guys, Yeah, the 588 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: whole thing was wound up underwater and then permanently underwater 589 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: apparently got smeared. But the between the earthquake and the tsunami, 590 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: the ground under the city basically subsided and it wound 591 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: up in the water. Yeah, it did sink entirely, it 592 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: really did. That was Yeah, that was a city of 593 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: course that was not Atlantis. But these things could happen. 594 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: Although some people that have theorized that Helicky was Atlantis, 595 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: but total wrong timeline, So you're not lucky that was 596 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: what three something VC. It was right around Plato's time. Yeah, yeah, 597 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: And some people have suggested that this might have been 598 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: an inspiration for the story of Atlantis. That that that 599 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: has been suggested. Although if how like he was wiped 600 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: out while Athens did not get wiped out with that 601 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: particular earthquake and tsunami. So that's why it's not a 602 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: great Atlantis candidate for that and other reasons. Well, that's 603 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: that's again saying that, I mean, this is you're saying 604 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: that under the guise of the story is true. Is 605 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: why you're saying it that way? Correct? Is that? Yeah? Okay? Yeah, 606 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm just saying that it's not outrageous the 607 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: idea that this city, you know, could totally be submerged. 608 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: It's also entirely possible that I think we said this before. 609 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: He's groat, he's picking and choosing things that happened in 610 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: history and using them. Yeah. Another another place that used 611 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: to be consider just be a fable. It was the 612 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: lost city of Troy that eventually was found. Yeah, it 613 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: used to be thought of just made up by Homer. 614 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: But it's actually there. It's in Turkey. But is it 615 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: it's that's actually Troy, right, we just think it's Troy. 616 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty widely accepted, but yeah, it's not absolutely. Yeah, 617 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: and actually, you know, I should point out to that 618 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: archaeology is a relatively new science. Yeah, there's a lot 619 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff that they probably have gotten wrong, 620 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: not to not to do any of our archaeological listeners 621 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, they know, they're they're they're making educated 622 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: guesses based on information that they've deduced previously. Yeah, and 623 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: so I'm sure they're getting a lot of a lot 624 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: of it right, but probably not all of it. That's 625 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, we just gotta keep digging. So we're pretty 626 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: much saying that Atlantis was real. I think that with 627 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: a certain dety of fudging, fighting factory nous, little fudge 628 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: factor in that you got to go to the fudge factory. Yeah, 629 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: that sounds really good. Let's just pause this take a break. Okay, 630 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: we're back. You two have so much chuck on your 631 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: face it's gonna emphas up for the rest of the episodes. Okay, yeah, okay, 632 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the rest of us will be a lot more high energy. Yeah. 633 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think that's mustache could get any bigger. But 634 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: as my mother would say, it's like a child with 635 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: a beard eating. Atlantis was probably actually not called Atlantis. 636 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: It could have been called Tartessos or something else. There 637 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: was an ancient city called Tartestos. By the way, There 638 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: was uh whether the story was completely accurate in all 639 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: the details. I'm sure it was not. The prittest might 640 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: have been missing porn about some details. And then, of 641 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: course the story was passed down for two hundred years 642 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: and the internet generational game of telephone, because so you know, 643 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: it's there's got to be some distortions, you know added yeah, yeah, yeah. 644 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, translation nuances as well. There's 645 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: also that, yeah, Egyptian to Greek and all that Plato 646 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: English yeah, oh yeah, the English too. Yeah. Plato might 647 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: have been balish a story a bit himself. Um, you know, 648 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: so he was trying to describe an ideal society and 649 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: so that there were some messy little details. We might 650 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: have left some of those out. Uh, and we might 651 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: have stuck some stuff in there. Just the biggest point. 652 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: People tend to embellish. Yeah, that doesn't it's an easy 653 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: thing to do. Yeah, we don't do it at all, 654 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: but it's pretty easy to do. Yeah. Anyway, that's that's 655 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: about the story. There probably really wasn't in Atlantis the 656 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: story over right, Well, now we don't. Now we have 657 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: to find it now that we've existed. Yeah, so this 658 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: is the point where I tell you, guys, I get 659 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: C six, so this is probably not the one to 660 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: take on this expedition. Yeah, yeah, that's that's okay. We'll 661 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: bring somebody else, Okay, Devon and me and some other guys. 662 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: Here's what I know about getting seasick. You get over 663 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: it after a couple of days, you do, Okay, cool, 664 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: that's good. I've never when you when you pick my 665 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: stunt double, make sure he's got good hair. That's all 666 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: I ask. Okay, Okay, Yeah, I tell you. It's funny 667 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: when you're going to go to an ocean ocean thing, 668 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: and you know you're feeling fine and there's people leaving 669 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: over the side, just heaving their guts outd It's like 670 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: it makes me feel good. Yeah, me too. I like 671 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: watching other people's software shout up. So where do we 672 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: start looking for Atlantis? Yeah? I checked the Atlantipedia. Have 673 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: you seen the atlant Have you seen the Atlantipedia? No? Yeah. 674 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: This is the creation of an Irish guy named Tony O'Connell. 675 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: He has a few lists of all the different places 676 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: that we put forward as possible locations for Atlantis, and 677 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: they're almost every place in the entire world has been 678 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: offered up. Yeah. I didn't even I didn't even count 679 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: all the places that were on the list, much less 680 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: check them all out. There are hundreds of them. Yeah, yeah, 681 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: lots and lots of places. And by the way, I 682 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: tell you, Connell is another guy who's not a crank 683 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: or a crackpot. That Mark talks about him in his book, 684 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: and he actually met up with him in Ireland and 685 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: later on the Malta and he seems to have an 686 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: admirable bit of skepticisms. You know, he's he he understands 687 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: that when somebody says Atlantis was actually in the Blue 688 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: Ridge Mountains on the continental United States, he's probably not accurate, 689 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: but he'll probably added, yeah, he'll he'll put it there 690 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: because it's the Atlantipedia. Everything goes in there that Atlantis 691 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: related and yeah, so definitely worth checking out. Well, we'll 692 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: post a link to that, or if you just want 693 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: to go to Google to find the Atlantipedia, just type 694 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: in atlantipedia'll come right up and boy, there's a lot 695 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: of good information there there. There's several favorites that are 696 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: out there, um and so one of the big clues, 697 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: of course, it's the Pillars of Heracles, which the island 698 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: was just inside or outside. It could have been the 699 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Straight of Gibraltar, but as we said earlier that they 700 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: seem to have kept moving. And there's like, I don't know, 701 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: at least twelve thirteen places that have been put forward 702 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: as possible sites for the pillars. One is the Straight 703 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: of a Cina, which is between Italy and Sicily, which 704 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: would mean that the Atlantic Ocean in Plato's story was 705 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: actually the western Mediterranean. That wouldn't be so weird, though, 706 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: would it. It's not impossible. Another another candidate the straight 707 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: of Otronto. I'm not pronouncing that correctly, I'm sure, but 708 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: that's the gap between in the heel of the Italian 709 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: boot and the country of Albania. And that would mean 710 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: that the Atlantic was actually the Adriatic Sea, which again 711 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be so weird, yeah, yeah, or or something 712 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: some people have said, maybe the Bosporus, which means that 713 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: the Atlantic was actually the Black Sea. Well, and I 714 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: know that somebodys go, well, that doesn't sound anything like 715 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. Well that's because the names have changed over. Yeah, 716 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: And like say the Black Sea, for example, Well, that's 717 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: just a big lake, right. Well, you know, when you're 718 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: standing on the edge of it looking, it looks pretty 719 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: ocean like, you know, it's pretty You can't see the 720 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: other side at all. And at one time wasn't at 721 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: one time connected to the rest of the ocean and 722 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: with the Black Sea. Yeah, is that the one I'm 723 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: thinking of. It's it's it's it's it's connected now. At 724 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: one time it was not connected, that's what. Okay, it was, yeah, 725 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: and it used to have a much different shoreline. Yeah. 726 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: And then and then saddly that one day that the 727 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: old land bridge breaks and boom they filled up with 728 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: water real quick, and so they found ruins and that 729 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: they found an ancient coastline down there and ruins on 730 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: it and everything. Yeah, too bad for those guys. Yet 731 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: no warning. At least when you'll live on a volcano, 732 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: you kind of get a warning that it's gonna blow, 733 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: except for the people of Pompeii. But they just didn't 734 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: pay attention, apparently apparently not Yeah, or maybe just didn't 735 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: get any warning. May or maybe they got a warning 736 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: and they just said, well, you know, that kind of 737 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: sucks the pack and move, So we'll just hope it's 738 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: just gonna rumble a little bit. And then he's been 739 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: doing this for twenty years. It's fine, Yeah, one blue. 740 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: So we need to do we need to pick some 741 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: places out. Actually, Mark Mark Adams picked out four places 742 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: out of the hundreds, out of the hundreds, picked out 743 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: four possible places. I think he picked him out. I said, 744 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: we just places he wanted to travel. He never said that. Yeah, yeah, 745 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: it's a good guess. Yeah. We asked, We asked Mark 746 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: Adams why he picked the four spots that he did 747 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: out of the possible hundreds for to go to for 748 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: his book. Well, you know, first of all, a lot 749 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: of times you'll see locations for Atlantis that don't make 750 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: any sense if if you you know, look at the 751 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: original details. Assuming that Plato's story is real, let's start 752 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: with that assumption, which is rocky to be certain. I mean, 753 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: to assume the Atlantic story is real. First of all, 754 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: you have to believe that a sea god named Poseidon 755 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: created the the island of Atlantis. UH. So you know 756 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: you're making some some pretty big leaps here to start with. 757 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: But let's assume that it's real. It's a story about 758 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: a sea battle between Atlantis and Athens. So you know, 759 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: for for an ancient UH navy to be able to 760 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: travel to attack Athens, it doesn't really make sense that 761 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: it's outside of a certain area. You know, it's not 762 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: going to be crossing the Atlantic Ocean, so it's not 763 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: the Bahamas, it's not coming from uh, you know, Indonesia, 764 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: as some people have said. You know, there's a guy 765 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: out there with the theory that Atlantis was in the 766 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: Bolivian Altiplano, which which is right two miles up hundreds 767 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: of miles from the ocean. UH. And you know, I've 768 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: been to the Alto UH and I gotta tell you this, 769 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: it's not underwater. It is about the least underwater place 770 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: you can imagine. Yeah, you know, so I I drew 771 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: a you know, sort of a circle around Athens of 772 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: of a certain distance. And then you know, Plato gives 773 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: clues in the story. He says, you know, it was 774 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: opposite the pillars of Heracles or Hercules is it's usually 775 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: called Um. It was Um, near the land called Goddies. 776 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: It was an island Um. You know, it was near 777 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: the Pan Pelagos or the the Infinite Sea. So you know, 778 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: once you you start listing these things, you get the 779 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 1: sense it had to be in the Mediterranean a certain 780 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: distance from Athens. And the four places that made sense 781 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: to me um after a week of deliberations with Mr 782 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: Tony O'Connell over in Ireland, were probably the most famous 783 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Atlantist site, the one that shows up on TV specials 784 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: all the time, which is Santorini and island of Greece, Uh, 785 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: the island of Malta in the center of the Mediterranean. 786 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: There is a site just outside Um, the strait of 787 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: Gibraltar in southern Spain. And then there's a spot in 788 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: Morocco near the city that's now called Aga dere Um, 789 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: also just outside Um the Strait of Gibraltar, but to 790 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: the south Um and those are the four sights that 791 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: went and explored at length. So that's how Mark did it. 792 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: And one of the ones the one of the places 793 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: he talked about in his book. And this is the 794 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: number one favorite theory everybody seems to have. Uh doesn't 795 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: necessarily mean it's scientifically all that likely, but uh, it's 796 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: This is called the Minoana hypothesis, and this theory says 797 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: that Atlantis was on the present day Isle of Santa Reini, 798 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: or more likely on the island of Crete, which is 799 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: seventy three miles south of Santa Meni, with an outpost 800 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: on Santa Meni. The island itself. The ruins of the 801 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: Minowan city named Acroteria have been found on the south 802 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: side of the island of Santa Reni, and so that 803 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: one's a little credence to. And they're pretty impressive ruins. 804 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't know these they're actually if you go online, 805 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: you can see pictures of them. I didn't actually ever 806 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: go look at the ruins. Yeah, and it's there's, yeah, 807 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: there's some pretty cool pictures of the ruins out there. 808 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 1: And then they're really impressive ruins, two or three story 809 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: buildings and they had cobble streets and drainage systems like 810 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: sewage systems and stuff. So a really sophisticated city. Yeah, yeah, 811 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: t bad they built their city on the side of 812 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: a volcanic island, but uh yeah, yeah absolutely. Uh the 813 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: island location location, yeah yeah, so was you know, was 814 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: Santa Mini Atlantis. People like it because it's a circular 815 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: island and it's it's circular because the middle of it 816 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: blew out. It was a volcano and it just exploded 817 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: ut Saint Helen's style. And uh, we didn't just be 818 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: a little smoke in a little a little lava. Now, 819 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: I just want to blew blew the majority of it away. Yeah. 820 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: So and and then there's a there's a piece of 821 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: it left. There's like a big crescent, and then an 822 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: island out out from that crescent. And then and there's 823 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: a cone in the middle that's rebuilding itself. That's volcanoes do, yeah, 824 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: as all canoes do. And so that circular thing with 825 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: the with the ring of water in another island in 826 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: the middle of what is one of the things that 827 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: really make people like Santaini as a candidate for Atlantis. 828 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: That means he would have embellished the number of rings 829 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: though most likely yeah, yeah, and also changed the size 830 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: of them. Uh and and yeah, and made them like 831 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: a cone is much smaller. But in the original story, 832 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: the center part is the largest part. Listen, he was 833 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: he was huge on Pythagoras and all of that geometry, 834 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: So I mean it makes sense that he would have 835 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: gone kind of kind of wild on that part. Yeah. Yeah, 836 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: and he liked threes and stuff like that, you know, 837 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: And so yeah, three rings and all that. But as 838 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: to when this happened, that the volcano was called theory 839 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: back in those days, and they're various estimates about one 840 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: at one off. Some say six seven BC, some put 841 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: it at b C, and luckily was about nine hundred 842 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: years before Salon visited Egypt. So um, of course, that 843 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Santorini actually is Atlantis. Yeah, and it 844 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: is convenient. I mean, I think that seems like one 845 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: of those things where they say, oh, nine, Well, you know, 846 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: the story that Salon was told was nine thousand. It's 847 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: possible they just added a zero on accident that fits 848 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: conveniently with our estimations. That feels really convenient to me, 849 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of 850 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: convenient stuff in this story. I was gonna say, we're 851 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: going to be making that statement probably, Yeah, I'm thinking that. 852 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: What imagine if Sarah had exploded millions of years ago 853 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: and then the central cone rebuilt itself like and like 854 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: like it's happening in Mount Saint Helens and even in 855 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: Santa Maria today. We built step to a fairly sizeable island. 856 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: Let's still got a ring of water around it and 857 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: another ring of land, and then it goes dormant. Then 858 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: time goes by, people show up and start building cities. 859 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: So I mean, there could have been all kinds of 860 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: like stuff going on on this island and then explode. 861 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: It explodeed again, and you know that we got Atlantis. 862 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, but the cone would 863 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: have never it would have always been a mountain, right, 864 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how cones. We built themselves as cones, right. 865 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: So that's a problem for me. Um. I suspect the 866 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: slopes would have been fairly steep, and that it seems 867 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 1: like the views would have been awesome. But it does 868 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: seem like that would be one of the things they 869 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: would mention. It wouldn't be like well there was just 870 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: this thing in the middle. They would say there was 871 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: a mountain in the middle, and then there were rings 872 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: around and let's let's let's remember though, we need to 873 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: go back to who gave us the story. The story 874 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: came from one store who delivered it in a very 875 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: specific way. Now, which source the Egyptians, because the Egyptians 876 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: had a thing for pyramids, so they would have been like, 877 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: and there was an awesome pyramid and then I'm not 878 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Egyptians at all. I mean Plato, 879 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: So he could have massaged it as much as he wanted. 880 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: Thing with Pythagoras, you wouldn't think that he would be 881 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: like really excited that there was a triangle there. Well, yeah, 882 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: I still think he massaged to be circles. Yeah, maybe, 883 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's something I didn't mention about. 884 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: Acri tri Um. The city was actually not destroyed by 885 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: the volcano, but it was all covered with ash, which 886 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: is actually preserved it pretty well, which is cool. And 887 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: they've only excavated a very small percentage of it. There's 888 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: lots more ruins to be dug up. So let's hope 889 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: the Greeks can get the economy back in shape, so 890 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: they have some money for digging. That would be nice. 891 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: But what's interesting is what hasn't been found in the 892 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: city so far, which is dead bodies. Yeah, it's it's 893 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: possible that the island was evacuated before theory blew up. 894 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: But if it's true, if this was if this wasn't 895 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: an outpost, and it is believed that Equitia wasn't anoan city, 896 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: then where would they have gone. They probably would have 897 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: gone to Crete, which is where the Manoan civilization was, 898 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: would try to go home. Yeah, yeah, and so that's 899 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of unfortunate. So you go home and you're just 900 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: sort of relaxing and saying, I'm sure glad I got 901 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: away from that volcano. And then the volcano goes off. Well, 902 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: I guess what, you had a major tsunami there you 903 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,919 Speaker 1: are on Create, and well Create gets summitted by the tsunami. Yeah, 904 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: and all by the way, that tsunami would have also 905 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: would have also hit Athens. Yeah, I mean it seems 906 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: like maybe that would be a reason for them to 907 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: be attacking other city, right, you know, you go back 908 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: to Crete and they say, no, no, we're full, We're full. 909 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: You guys got to go somewhere else in your your 910 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: home vacancy, right, yeah, and your home meanwhile, is experiencing 911 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: these rumblings that you recognize as a precursor to something disastrous. 912 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: So you think, all right, well we ought to go 913 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: find the next closest place, and where's the next closest place? 914 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: Well maybe ath So you go there and they beat 915 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: you off, and then suddenly you know you your situation 916 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: is dire and just all gets washed away. That's yeah, No, 917 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not opposed to that approach to it. 918 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: If it is. I still think that if if Atlantis 919 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: was real, this is the my highest kid, I would 920 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: agree with that. That's Guy's good points. Yeah, I mean, 921 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: of course, and I asked for this aggressive See, people's 922 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: um just believe the Manans are actually pretty peaceful desperate 923 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: times desperate measures. Well there's that. And also you know, 924 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not convinced because if they were pretty peaceful, 925 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: then that that that would make them kind of historically speaking, 926 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: really huge outliers. Yeah you think, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And 927 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: so I I really don't believe that. Well, and there's 928 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: also something to be said for you know, Victor's telling 929 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: the story is that. You know, they say we were 930 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,800 Speaker 1: attacked when it's these people coming and showing up and 931 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: saying help us please. Then you attack them, and then 932 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: you get to write history and you get to say, oh, no, 933 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: we were attacked. We had to kill them all. Yeah, 934 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: we had to slaughter them. That never happened at all 935 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: in history rewriting history. Yeah, not at all. You're right. Actually, 936 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: you are kind of rights not written down anywhere, You're right. Yeah. 937 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: One of the one of the reasons that believe that 938 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: they were peaceful is that they don't find a lot 939 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: in terms of defensive construction on the island. So that's silly. Well, 940 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a silly reason to think someone's peaceful. 941 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: That just means they're more aggressive, doesn't. It means they're 942 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: attacking everyone around them before people around them are attacking them. 943 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly. They believe the best defense is a 944 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: good offense. You know, that's that's entirely possible. Also, you're 945 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: on an island, man, Yes, it's pretty easy to see 946 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: people coming. You're good at seafair warfare. There's no reason 947 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: to build defenses around your island. Y. Yeah, you released 948 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,760 Speaker 1: the cracking and it's old. You just prayed a Posidon 949 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, and he's like, God, my descendants, they're 950 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: so needy. Alright, fine, the wave will send the wave again. Yeah, 951 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 1: I want my own cracking. The only problem with creating 952 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: Santorini is, even put together, they're really kind of too 953 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: small to accommodate that big plane that we were talking 954 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,439 Speaker 1: about that's two three create is only a hundred long. 955 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: Of course, maybe if there were earthquakes, maybe parts of 956 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: it subsided. Yeah, maybe there are small states or states states. 957 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: Maybe there are small states. Yeah, maybe maybe maybe actually 958 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: by stays even something else entirely and not six feet Yeah. Yeah. 959 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, I said, remind me, I gotta 960 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: show you some some Google areas that created some interesting 961 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: structures in the water, but just south of it. Yeah, 962 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: and that's probably an artifact of Google's process rather than 963 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: actual reality. But interesting to take a look at it. 964 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of a head scratcher. So here this is 965 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: a little off the topic. But I was messing around 966 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: in Google Earth the other day looking for stuff that 967 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: happened to be in the ocean. And have either of 968 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: you used Google Earth recently? Not recently, Maybe this has 969 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: always happened and I ever never noticed it. But do 970 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: you know that the oceans move? They do. Yeah, if 971 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: you look at the satellite images, it looks like there's 972 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: rolling waves going across the water. It all. If you 973 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: stop somewhere, it'll go for about five or ten seconds 974 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: and then it will subside. I have no idea how 975 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: Google does that. The cool I've seen you it's what 976 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: is what is wrong? Holy crap, The waves are moving 977 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: like it's a live picture, the coolest thing ever. Maybe 978 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: Google's finally launched enough satellites. Uh no, I'm pretty sure 979 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: they don't, because I was looking at some things that 980 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: had obviously images from different times a day late over 981 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: each other. So that's a pretty good theory. Yeah, I know. 982 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: I said it's obviously a favorite for a reason. Uh 983 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: it's so maybe parts of creative crumbled away or something. 984 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, let's move on to our next one. 985 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: This is also one of the ones that Mark picked. 986 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: I picked that another one that he didn't pick, So 987 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: it's we're not just cough be in his book exactly. 988 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: And uh so he also went to Malta and this 989 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: is also a very popular one. And I can see 990 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: why because Malta has the oldest known ruins in the world, 991 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: some of which do appear to be underwater because because 992 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of seawater rise in the 993 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: past twenty years. What. Yeah, true, that sounds wrong. Yeah, nothing, 994 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: that's happening. Yeah, it's true. It is flat. We're safe. Yeah, 995 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: we're good. The water just runs right off the edge. Yeah. Actually, 996 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,359 Speaker 1: one of these days somebody to go down and pull 997 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: that plug and the water will go down again. Yeah. Uh. 998 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: Some Malta is and it isn't reasonable proximity, kind of 999 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: south of the Strait of Messina, which we mentioned was 1000 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: a candidate for the Pillars of Heracles. It's been theory. Dear. 1001 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,239 Speaker 1: I said, Malta used to be a lot larger, but 1002 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,440 Speaker 1: that rising sea levels caused a lot of it to 1003 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,840 Speaker 1: be submerged. And also in the scientists at the University 1004 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: of Malta did report that years ago Malta was a 1005 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: lot bigger and it was joined to Sicily via a 1006 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: land bridge. But of course every island and years ago 1007 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,800 Speaker 1: was a lot bigger because years ago the glaciers just 1008 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: started to melt and so sea sea levels shot up 1009 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: big time because all that water was locked up his ice. Yeah, 1010 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen charts of it, 1011 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: but but thirty again starting a little while bad, I guess, 1012 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: I guess it was more like fifteen thousand years ago. 1013 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: It really shot up. Well we've we talked about this 1014 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: with the bearing land Bridge. I mean it was the 1015 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,320 Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, yeah, and so they leveled off and 1016 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: then and I don't mean totally leveled up, and they 1017 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: sort of leveled off about seven thousand years ago. Sea 1018 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,919 Speaker 1: level rise. They've steadily been rising since then and more recently. Yeah, 1019 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: but they've they've been rising since then, but really a 1020 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: lot much sharply than they did in the past. Uh So, 1021 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: Malta probably was bigger than it used to be. There's 1022 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: another thing that makes it appear that used to be bigger. 1023 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: Maybe the islands were even joined, because there's actually three islands. 1024 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: It's Malta goes Oh and a very small one in 1025 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,320 Speaker 1: between called Camino, which has I think like four residents 1026 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 1: or something. Uh yeah. There are there are cart ruts 1027 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: or what they call cart ruts all over Malta end 1028 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: goes O, which are these these grooves that are white, 1029 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: sort of like worn in the limestone of the island. 1030 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: In these places where the limestone is exposed, and they're 1031 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: always in parallel. They look like cart tracks, like like 1032 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: a like a sled or or or a wheeled cart 1033 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: or something like that. But they've been worn in there 1034 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,759 Speaker 1: all over criss crossing the islands. And what's weird about 1035 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,760 Speaker 1: him is it in places they go right off cliffs. 1036 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: Other places they go down into the water. And so 1037 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: that kind of makes you wonder. I mean, if they 1038 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: they're going down into the water, they're going to a destination. 1039 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: That destination must have been dry land at some point. 1040 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: Well that or you know, it's walking mermaids. That's a 1041 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: good point. It's top half fish, bottom half Humans's ugly. 1042 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: There's nothing to say that that was. That's not how 1043 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: mermaids are just saying, yeah, they drive cars, just like 1044 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,800 Speaker 1: the rest of us. Yeah, but it does suggest to 1045 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: me what the islands used to be, bigger, possibly even interconnected. 1046 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that we know that limestone is 1047 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,320 Speaker 1: one of the softer rocks, so wouldn't take too awful 1048 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: long for tracks to start show up if people are 1049 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got route you take the same 1050 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: root every day, and to take that route every day 1051 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: for a hundred years. It's not as if when you 1052 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: walk across some really hard stones and you never make 1053 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: a dent in them. So that's the that's the one 1054 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: interesting thing about this island. It just happens to have 1055 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: the right stone. Yeah, and it is that has been 1056 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 1: inhabited by human beings for a long long time. Yeah, 1057 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,759 Speaker 1: lots of those islands have another reason to think that 1058 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: Malta might be the candidate, the best candidate. There's a 1059 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: guy in Malton named Anton mssud who Mark mentions is working. 1060 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: Interviewed him. It's spent a little time with him and 1061 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: ms suit has gone back to primary sources for his 1062 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: Atlantish research, and you know, read all these ancient documents 1063 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: in Greek and stuff like that, and he found an 1064 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,720 Speaker 1: interesting quote from a Greek name Wills of Cyrene, who wrote, 1065 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm not pronouncing this, but I'm gonna go. 1066 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: He wrote, quote was the king of Atlantis uh, the 1067 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: island that once existed between Libya and Sicily and was submerged. 1068 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: This large island was known as Nicopolis Atlantica by our 1069 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: forefathers of Cyrene as well as by the ancient Greeks. Unquote, 1070 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to give Mark a hat tip here 1071 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 1: because I lifted that quote straight out of his book. 1072 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,720 Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't actually call this guy uh an interview? 1073 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: Now I didn't actually Okay, yeah, no, sorry, I can't 1074 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 1: afford it. Well, let's be honest. If you had called him, 1075 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: you would have said, and I called him and he 1076 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,399 Speaker 1: hasn't called me back. Yeah, that's probably that's what usually 1077 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: or and I called him. But I don't speak Greek. Yeah, 1078 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: that's yea. I don't think. I think we speak Maltese 1079 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: on Malta. Uh. But of course the downside of the 1080 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: whole multi areas it's too small and it has no mountains. 1081 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: I supposed to say. Thing could be said for Santa 1082 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,399 Speaker 1: Ridi and Creed. Also, fifteen years ago sea levels were 1083 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: about a hundred ten meters below what they are today. 1084 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,399 Speaker 1: But if we takes Plato's timeline seriously and the story 1085 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,720 Speaker 1: took place in hundred years nine tho years before Solon's 1086 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: meeting in Egypt, sea levels were about six lower than 1087 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: they are today. But so far there's not evidence of 1088 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: a sophisticated human civilization that old. But on the other 1089 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: other hand, I mean, maybe it's all underwater. You know, 1090 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: maybe there's lots of evidence. Well I think that, I mean, yeah, 1091 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: because there's other there's suggestions in other areas of the 1092 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: world that there were intelligent, you know, like really sophisticated 1093 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: societies prior that we've just forgotten about. So or it's 1094 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: been submerged because I mean, typically, you know, these the 1095 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 1: earliest cities were usually built on the edge of a 1096 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 1: body of water, usually the ocean. Well there's also now 1097 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: we're discovering there's a lot of red herrings in the ocean. 1098 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,920 Speaker 1: Did you guys see that. I'll put this article up 1099 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: before around the time that this comes out, But there 1100 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: was something that people were pretty sure was in an inhabited, 1101 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 1: submerged place that had must have been above water at 1102 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: one time, and it had all these interesting structures and 1103 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,480 Speaker 1: it looked like it was almost a flagstone pattern on 1104 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,600 Speaker 1: the ground. And it turned out the whole thing, they 1105 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: just finally figured out it was actually a natural formation 1106 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 1: just because of a certain kind of the gases that 1107 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280 Speaker 1: were coming out of the ocean floor, turning the stone 1108 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 1: into dolomite, which then allowed bacteria to do these things 1109 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: to it. Like it's a total red herring, but it's 1110 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: one of those places where people like this has gotta 1111 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 1: be something real, and there's probably a ton of those 1112 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: all over Yeah, definitely, if you're looking for that stuff, 1113 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: you've got your work cut out for you because it's 1114 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: been down there and it's got stuff growing all over it, 1115 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that's that's that's covered with silt in 1116 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: a lot of places. So it's it's gonna take a 1117 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: long time before we find anything useful down there. Yeah, 1118 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna take a while, and then we're gonna find 1119 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: that that domed, bubbled city they're all living and still 1120 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: and it's the problem with it is too is like, 1121 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, if it's above ground, you just send a 1122 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,080 Speaker 1: bunch of college students out there with toothbrushes and the spoon. 1123 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: I really do that so easily in the of the ocean. Yeah, yeah, 1124 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. No, it doesn't. So yeah, it's it's 1125 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: it's it's expensive. Let's move on to another theory. This 1126 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 1: is there's somewhat popular one the Canary Islands. So they 1127 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: are beyond the pillars of Heracles, which qualifies them. They're well, 1128 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,320 Speaker 1: they are kind of small, but they're also volcanics, so 1129 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,080 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they've blown up numerous times in the past, 1130 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 1: and they're a lot smaller than they used to be. 1131 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm finding that my common thread for 1132 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,320 Speaker 1: all of these are places that, like anybody would want 1133 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 1: to go. So they're good suggestions because anybody who's researching them, 1134 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I really got to go 1135 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: to the Canary Islands out if it's Atlantis or not, 1136 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 1: and I'll come back in six years. Yeah yeah, and 1137 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: with some idea of if it's Atlantis or not. Yeah, 1138 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: I would yeah. Yeah. When the Carthaginians discovered the Canary Islands, 1139 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: they found ancient ruins there, and of course the Carthaginians 1140 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,640 Speaker 1: where themselves kind of ancients, so if they found ancient ruins, 1141 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: well really ancient, that's pretty ancient. There's also remember that red, white, 1142 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 1: and black rock that I talked about the modeled colors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1143 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: I think that rock can be found there. They are 1144 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 1: also natural hot and cold springs there, so yeah, that's 1145 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: one reason people are kind of lacking the Canaries. And 1146 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,520 Speaker 1: then there's there's another theory out there that it wasn't 1147 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: just the Canaries but also the Azores, Madeira, and Cape 1148 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Verde Islands altogether. Are just fragments of the original Atlantis, 1149 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: which should be pretty large. I mean, it was called 1150 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 1: the continent everything. But that's a lot of material. See 1151 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 1: that part again, the whole continent appear disappearing. It's kind 1152 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 1: of hard to swallow. Well, the evidence proves that. I mean, 1153 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,320 Speaker 1: the floor of the ocean is very thin. It's not 1154 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: like there's a thick crust like there is underneath the continents. 1155 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: And there's nowhere that has anywhere shown that it could 1156 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,600 Speaker 1: have had a continent. Plus, there's no um, what is 1157 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,439 Speaker 1: it where two plate tectonic plates collide. Yeah, there's there's 1158 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,760 Speaker 1: nothing like that for to have been submerged and then 1159 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: sucked unders there would be very obvious evidence if it 1160 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: was a little continent. Uh yeah, no, I think I 1161 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: think so too. That's kind of the problem I have 1162 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,800 Speaker 1: with this. But but but if it was a you know, 1163 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 1: God made thing like we're doing in you know, Saudi Arabia. 1164 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 1: Now we're not Saudi Arabi im sorry, in the United Emirates. 1165 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: They're making these like you know, is island things. I mean, 1166 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: if you know, Poseidon was just making things like that, 1167 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: there's that could have submerged pretty easily. One of the 1168 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: most famous Canary Island advocates was Heinrich Hidler, you know, 1169 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,040 Speaker 1: the famous Nazi familiar Nazi coming. Yeah, yeah, I get it. 1170 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 1: Uh huh. But the Nazis are interested in Atlantis because 1171 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I thought that perhaps the Atlantians were the forebears of 1172 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: the German people, of course, and the reason was that 1173 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: the Atlantis were advanced, superior and awesome, so were the Germans. 1174 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: So there must be a connection there, right. The Nazis 1175 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: were really good at think finding something ing that like 1176 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: proved that they were amazing and manipulating the information to 1177 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,560 Speaker 1: match what they wanted. Man, they were so kookie sometimes 1178 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: most Yeah. So we talked to Mark about the Nazi 1179 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: connection and here's what he had to say. You know 1180 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: what they had, They had this whole team, the Onitor 1181 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 1: but I think it was called put together by Himmler, 1182 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: And the whole point was it's very much like the 1183 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: first Indiana Jones movie Raiders. It a lost stark. They're 1184 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: looking for ancient evidence of this super Aaryan race that 1185 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: of course eventually became the most super race of all 1186 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,720 Speaker 1: in their opinion. Um, you know, the National Socialists. And 1187 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 1: what's interesting is they had planned um, a big expedition 1188 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,840 Speaker 1: to the Canary Islands, which is which is not you know, 1189 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 1: as far as possible sites go, it's not the worst 1190 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: one you could come up with, uh for the Fall 1191 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 1: of nine. And it seems that the reason they never 1192 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: got there is because the Nazis decided to attack Poland instead. 1193 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: So it's like, wait, just one more bad thing to 1194 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 1: come out of that whole era. But yeah, I mean 1195 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 1: they were the theories, the theories they were promoting, we're 1196 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 1: just completely nuts. I mean, going back tens of thousands 1197 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 1: of years and things like that. And you know, because 1198 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 1: stuff like that is interesting to a lot of people. Uh, 1199 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,480 Speaker 1: it just it gives this tinge to Atlantis in general. 1200 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,200 Speaker 1: That makes it sound like, you know, a subject that's 1201 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: only dealt with by crazy people. Um and I don't 1202 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: think that should be the case. Enough about the Yeah, 1203 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: enough about them. Um And I should also mention there's 1204 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,240 Speaker 1: a theory out there that's also called kind of racist, 1205 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,560 Speaker 1: and I and others really is racist. But it's called 1206 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: the fusionism. And it's a theora that much, if not all, 1207 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the the early advances in technology originated Atlantis or in 1208 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 1: some place and then spread to the rest of the world. 1209 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 1: The reason it's controversial is it is it's sort of 1210 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: a put down of all these other people. It's like 1211 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: saying that these superhumans in Atlantis advented all this cool 1212 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 1: stuff and it went out to the whole rest of 1213 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: the world, and that's just filled with dummies. You can 1214 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: figure then you could never figure that stuff out, you know. 1215 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, so that I don't really agree with the 1216 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: whole diffusionism thing myself, because some ideas are kind of obvious, 1217 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, and people could separately conincidentally have the same ideas. 1218 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 1: It's not at all beyond the relevant reasons. Pyramids, Yeah, 1219 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean these pyramids in the Americas. There's pyramids in Egypt. 1220 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,200 Speaker 1: So what it's not that remarkable the concept when you 1221 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,280 Speaker 1: think about it BOMs. Yeah exactly. I mean, hey, simple ideas. 1222 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Another problem with besides the small size of canaries are 1223 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 1: outside the pillars of Heracles, but they're like almost seven 1224 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 1: hundred miles away from the trade of Gibralter. Yeah yeah, 1225 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: and that's a lot of material to go missing. Don't know, Well, 1226 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the remaining you don't know how close the outer 1227 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: wall or the plane was. Yeah, maybe maybe it was. 1228 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:58,080 Speaker 1: What remains is the small pieces left is yeah, and 1229 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,440 Speaker 1: the rest of it's all been smoothed and yeah, that 1230 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 1: seems unlikely though, Yeah, I don't think that's the way 1231 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,280 Speaker 1: that everything works in that area. Yeah, let's go to 1232 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,320 Speaker 1: another theory here. Cut these Spain. And by the way, 1233 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,480 Speaker 1: I was just out yesterday doing a little a little 1234 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,640 Speaker 1: white surfing on on street view and cut ease. And 1235 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,880 Speaker 1: if I'd really recommend that you go out and you 1236 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 1: look at it, if you look at the area of it, 1237 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: there's a peninsula out in the front of the town 1238 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,240 Speaker 1: in front of you by the Atlantic Ocean, and at 1239 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,080 Speaker 1: the very very north end of that as like the 1240 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: old town, the old city, I'd really recommend doing a 1241 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 1: little street viewing in there because it's really cool. Is 1242 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: just because it's cool architecture, just cool architecture, and and 1243 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,400 Speaker 1: really narrow streets. I mean some streets too narrow even 1244 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: for a car, and most of them are like you know, 1245 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 1: just one car a lot. Yeah, it's yeah, it's just 1246 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 1: it's just a really beautiful cool sound check it out. 1247 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I really wanted. Yeah, that's a nice thing. If I 1248 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: can ever afford to go there, at least I can 1249 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: see it on street view I really would like to 1250 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,960 Speaker 1: go there. It looks like a really cool place. Okay, 1251 01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: cutt Ease, Spain Okay aka Gotties which is mentioned actually 1252 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 1: byplay though gotties, and so it's it's of course there's 1253 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: other places that would might possibly qualify as gotties also. 1254 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 1: But it thought that Atlantis maybe perhaps wasn't an island 1255 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 1: because apparently the Greek word for island can also mean peninsula. 1256 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: So this theories gained prominence in recent years because Caddies 1257 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,880 Speaker 1: is just outside of the Pillars, and it's also in 1258 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,280 Speaker 1: an area that's known from massive earthquakes and Tsunamis has 1259 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,520 Speaker 1: large copper deposits, which may account for plates mentioned of 1260 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 1: our calcum. But is it round? Is it round? Well, 1261 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's there is no structure there that 1262 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,880 Speaker 1: really looks around. There is an area north of Cadiz 1263 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,440 Speaker 1: which is called the Douniana National Park, which is kind 1264 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: of a swampy bird preserved, fairly large area, and people 1265 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 1: claim to have found shapes in the ground from satellite 1266 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,520 Speaker 1: photos that look like concentric circles, and apparently that the 1267 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,320 Speaker 1: ground there has subsided um and it's kind of just 1268 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: like I said, swampy and so it makes that makes 1269 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,919 Speaker 1: excavation pretty much impossible. Yeah. Yeah, so, and I looked 1270 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,040 Speaker 1: at the satellite photos. I couldn't see these outlines, and 1271 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 1: people who also said they've seen some rectangular structure outlines too, 1272 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,960 Speaker 1: I can't find them myself. Um, I found something that 1273 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:22,680 Speaker 1: looks like Google on there, but yeah, well that's Google, people. 1274 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,080 Speaker 1: That is the hard part when people try to use 1275 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,400 Speaker 1: satellite imagery to find stuff, not that it hasn't worked before, 1276 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,880 Speaker 1: but I feel like sometimes those were the lucky ones 1277 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,560 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are looking and looking and 1278 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: looking and then just staring at shadows of trees and 1279 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,200 Speaker 1: deciding that is this is actually a change in the 1280 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: structure of the Earth below it, And we saw that 1281 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: with the Phobos two incidents. When you look at the pictures, 1282 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you could draw an outline of like 1283 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 1: anything you want in that. You can see whatever you 1284 01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: want in that, But realistically it's just shadows and craters 1285 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: pretty much. And that shows us how accurate Courtney Love 1286 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 1: was when she used it. Yeah, and Phobos, by the way, 1287 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:19,080 Speaker 1: you're still an ugly little moon rude. Sorry, Phobos is 1288 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,600 Speaker 1: never going to call you again. Actually, I think I 1289 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,920 Speaker 1: think photos is pretty cool looking actually ended up with 1290 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 1: sort of way. Yeah. Uh So between Cutties and on 1291 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Yana National Park that what's called the Bottle Keeper River 1292 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 1: flows into the Atlantic. Uh. And it is believed that 1293 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: in ancient times the river split before reaching the ocean, 1294 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 1: which created an island in what is today that the 1295 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: southern part of the National Park that could have been 1296 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: the island of Atlantas. And also, I should say there 1297 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,160 Speaker 1: are mountains to the north, which is another key point. 1298 01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: The one thing that just struck me that I hadn't 1299 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: really thought about before is that we all presume that 1300 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,120 Speaker 1: everything that was done it was done in some kind 1301 01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: of stone structure, when it could have actually been earthen ructures. 1302 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,479 Speaker 1: So it could have been let's just presume that Plato 1303 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: was telling the truth about the rings but he was 1304 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: off on the scale. Well, then that could have easily, 1305 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,720 Speaker 1: over a couple of generations been done by people just 1306 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,400 Speaker 1: as an earthwork, and then when they stopped maintaining it, 1307 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,240 Speaker 1: it goes away. Yeah. I mean, if if we're gonna 1308 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 1: go with this, it's actually just on a peninsula that 1309 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,640 Speaker 1: happened to have a bunch of earthwork rings on it, 1310 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,479 Speaker 1: and people are like Wow, that's really cool. I mean, 1311 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm making this up off the top of my head, 1312 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: saying that Atlantis was earthwork or he's saying that there 1313 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,360 Speaker 1: were earthworks built on this spot in the earthworks went away, 1314 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,639 Speaker 1: but there's still sort of I'm saying that the real 1315 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,640 Speaker 1: that Atlantis wasn't some giant city, but it was it 1316 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,640 Speaker 1: was probably a town that had all these earthworks that 1317 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,519 Speaker 1: the locals were keeping up. So when when Plato says 1318 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,280 Speaker 1: they were these giant rings in the ocean and data 1319 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,559 Speaker 1: da da, I'm saying, Okay, well, they're probably actually above ground. 1320 01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,320 Speaker 1: If if we're going to go in this it was 1321 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,160 Speaker 1: on a peninsula theory, that's the only way I could 1322 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,680 Speaker 1: buy it. Yeah, yeah, But but I could certainly see 1323 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,360 Speaker 1: that too. The earthworks get smoothed by tsunami, because there 1324 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,439 Speaker 1: there have been some big old tsunamis as part of 1325 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 1: the world and the coast of Spain and Portugal, so 1326 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,600 Speaker 1: that could definitely knock knock them all apart and you know, 1327 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,360 Speaker 1: sort of semi dissolved them. But yeah, I don't know. 1328 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,320 Speaker 1: That's it's a good that's a strong it's considered a 1329 01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 1: very strong candidate, But I don't know, And then there's 1330 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,840 Speaker 1: one last one. Mark talked about Morocco. Also, it was 1331 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,680 Speaker 1: a German guy named Michael Hoodner just did a bunch 1332 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,840 Speaker 1: of like once the word, I'm taking a bunch of 1333 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,840 Speaker 1: data analysis of all the various clues and came up 1334 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,640 Speaker 1: with a site in Morocco, which is also and I 1335 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,200 Speaker 1: don't know, did you read this book. Did you read 1336 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,720 Speaker 1: the Morocco part? Yeah, I think I remember that part. Yeah. Yeah, 1337 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,519 Speaker 1: So this this is somewhat was this some miles inland 1338 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,080 Speaker 1: though it is one of the problems with it, but 1339 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,160 Speaker 1: it's got ruins built on concentric circles. He's actually actually 1340 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: found this site by via computer and data analysis. And 1341 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: then he went out into Morocco and there was just 1342 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 1: the one that's kind of maybe got Aspergers is ever, No, 1343 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,920 Speaker 1: that's not hum that's the German. Okay, that's okay, they're confused, Okay, 1344 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,599 Speaker 1: all right, I knew I've one was kind of credible 1345 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: and one seemed a little yeah, a little bit. But yeah, him, 1346 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,599 Speaker 1: they're unfortunately, was killed in a bicycle accident recently, which 1347 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:25,880 Speaker 1: is too bad. Suspiciously. Yeah, that's yeah. Well it's interesting though. 1348 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,200 Speaker 1: He goes out there and he finds this city. One 1349 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,680 Speaker 1: of the remains of some ruins of what appeared to 1350 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 1: be a city built on a site that had to 1351 01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,720 Speaker 1: contect concentric circles of you know, dips and rises, and 1352 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: the remains of these structures are made of red, white, 1353 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,080 Speaker 1: and black rocks. But unfortunately the locals are carrying away 1354 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,439 Speaker 1: all the rocks and there's really not very much left. 1355 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 1: So it's really sad. Yes, we've talked about this before. 1356 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of a common occurrence. Yeah, yeah, it happens, 1357 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 1: and so it's really a shame. But so I know, 1358 01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,800 Speaker 1: probably maybe as I speak, maybe everything has gone who 1359 01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 1: So it's but I don't think this was Atlantis anyway, 1360 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: because this one is miles inland. Then it's like hundreds 1361 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: of miles up. Remember we talked about how we had 1362 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,439 Speaker 1: the rigs and the islands and everything, and then there 1363 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,760 Speaker 1: was a canal to the sea. If that canal to 1364 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the sea, it means the city has to be more 1365 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,120 Speaker 1: or less at sea level, Yeah, you would think, yeah, 1366 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,960 Speaker 1: otherwise you have to have a really elaborate lock system. 1367 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,080 Speaker 1: Oh god. And also there would be that would have 1368 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 1: been a pretty massive canal and there would still be 1369 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,120 Speaker 1: some evidence of it. Theoretically. Yeah, so I'm going to 1370 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,519 Speaker 1: give this one a fail. But let's ask Mark, because 1371 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: Mark has actually been there, Let's ask him what he thinks. 1372 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty high up, I mean, to have been hit 1373 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,839 Speaker 1: by a wave. And we should point out that Plato's 1374 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,040 Speaker 1: description in the Atlantis story is is not the island 1375 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,519 Speaker 1: sink to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean as is 1376 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,599 Speaker 1: often you know, bandied about, but um, it was destroyed 1377 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,360 Speaker 1: by earthquakes and floods in a single night. So the 1378 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,800 Speaker 1: sight you're talking about in Morocco. The guy who came 1379 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,840 Speaker 1: up with this idea, UM, Michael Hubner, who was an 1380 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 1: I specialist in Bond, Germany. You know, he decided that 1381 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,600 Speaker 1: this sort of circular structure, um stone structure. UM. I 1382 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,320 Speaker 1: don't know. It's like ten or fifteen miles inland from 1383 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: the Atlantic coast could have been hit by a huge tsunami. 1384 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 1: And the area has been hit by earthquakes and tsunamis 1385 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,960 Speaker 1: frequently over the years. But yeah, it would have to 1386 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,000 Speaker 1: be you know, a thousand foot high wall of water 1387 01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,800 Speaker 1: or something to get to that site, you know, could 1388 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,280 Speaker 1: it be uh? And this is what Hubner proposes, you know, 1389 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: two or three ancient stories that were put together as 1390 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,320 Speaker 1: they sometimes are, and remembered as a single myth. Um, 1391 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,960 Speaker 1: maybe you know, it's possible. It's definitely possible. Um. You know, 1392 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: people love that theory because you know, we're in this 1393 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: age of big data. And what Michael Hubner did was 1394 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,320 Speaker 1: he he found fifty one clues from Plato, and you know, 1395 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,559 Speaker 1: he plugged them into this algorithm and when it spat 1396 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,680 Speaker 1: out at the end, it pointed him to this one 1397 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,519 Speaker 1: spot in Morocco. And as he described it to me, 1398 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,760 Speaker 1: it was he's like, you know, six stigma, this is 1399 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,760 Speaker 1: seven sigma. Yeah, I remember that from your book. You know. 1400 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's impossible, you know. And it's like, 1401 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, when you talk to one of these people 1402 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,160 Speaker 1: who was like a pure you know, mathematician, it's like, well, yeah, 1403 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,200 Speaker 1: but you you're controlling the variables here, right, You're plugging 1404 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 1: in the data that you want. He's like, yes, but 1405 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: if it did not work, we would have an old set. 1406 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,920 Speaker 1: All right. Well, so much for the Morocco theory and 1407 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,479 Speaker 1: the other series. You guys, No, I mean, I I 1408 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:43,240 Speaker 1: said it before. I still believe that Plato wasn't being honest, 1409 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 1: though he said he was being honest. I just I 1410 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,680 Speaker 1: really feel like he was sort of obsessed with his 1411 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: descriptions of the perfect government that it doesn't it wouldn't 1412 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,240 Speaker 1: shock me for him to just willie nilly grab things 1413 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,160 Speaker 1: that had up and around and twist them to make 1414 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 1: them examples of good or bad for what he was 1415 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,920 Speaker 1: trying to get across to his reader. Yeah, I tend 1416 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: to think that he was. He wanted overboard with his description, 1417 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,439 Speaker 1: you know, because he's describing the perfect society and perfect government. 1418 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,560 Speaker 1: But why did you need to toss in the elephants 1419 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,320 Speaker 1: and the red and white and black rocksts? Was the Republic? 1420 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Remember it was a much longer than these dialogues, and 1421 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,639 Speaker 1: did the Republic? Because I've never read the Republic because 1422 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,799 Speaker 1: thankfully I never had a teacher who was that cruel 1423 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: for such a long thing. So what you mean is 1424 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,479 Speaker 1: you literally never took a philosophy course ever? Right, Because 1425 01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe in any the point is he went into. 1426 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure he must have gone in some crazy details 1427 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: for that thing to have been that long. He couldn't 1428 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,200 Speaker 1: have talked at a high level the whole time, am 1429 01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,240 Speaker 1: I right? Or yeah? Yeah, no, it's it's it's actually 1430 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 1: been so long since I've read it, I probably should 1431 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,000 Speaker 1: read it again. Okay, Well, the point is, though, is 1432 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,000 Speaker 1: that the way this story ended, he may have just 1433 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,599 Speaker 1: been ramping up baby. He may have just been getting 1434 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: started to just go again and write some huge thing, 1435 01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,120 Speaker 1: and that was how it was all going to make sense. 1436 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,559 Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Yeah, maybe I don't know. So anyway, 1437 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still thinking it was probably something of 1438 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,680 Speaker 1: a real story. What do you think, Devan No, I mean, 1439 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: I think I agree. I think it was based in truth. 1440 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, the concentric circles. I 1441 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,280 Speaker 1: don't think that. I think there's a lot of stuff 1442 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,519 Speaker 1: that was added in. And you know, part of that 1443 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,880 Speaker 1: is just do you want to respect Plato for his authenticity, 1444 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,080 Speaker 1: but also, when it comes down to it, he was 1445 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,680 Speaker 1: a storyteller, you know. And artistic license, Yeah, there's some 1446 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,800 Speaker 1: artistic license that you would take. But also, you know, 1447 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 1: I guess you don't know necessarily if the Egyptians took 1448 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,600 Speaker 1: the artistics or Salon took the artistic license, or like 1449 01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,920 Speaker 1: who took the artistic license at one point. But I 1450 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,200 Speaker 1: do think it probably was based in some kind of fact. Yeah, 1451 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,640 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, but I don't have a I 1452 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 1: mean a clue where it is. Yeah, no, serious, not really, No, 1453 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,800 Speaker 1: I say it was a barrener just because I hate 1454 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Aquaman's orange and greens outfit bikini bottom. That's why I 1455 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,000 Speaker 1: never read that comic terrible outfit. All right, there you go. 1456 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,320 Speaker 1: Last was real. You heard it from us, It's got 1457 01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,800 Speaker 1: to be real. Uh, we don't line, No, We're never wrong. Yeah, 1458 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 1: solve it every time. 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It's it's now 1496 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,280 Speaker 1: in paperbacks, so you just came recently. Yeah. Yeah, and 1497 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,000 Speaker 1: it's just still it's a really good introduction to the 1498 01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,320 Speaker 1: whole Atlantis thing, which is much bigger and more complicated 1499 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,479 Speaker 1: than you. But yeah, he's a pretty good author or whatever. 1500 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,840 Speaker 1: He kind of knows what he's doing. Yeah, good at 1501 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 1: his job. No, actually, it was, it was. It was 1502 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,679 Speaker 1: a really interesting book. I really, I mean, I gotta 1503 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,560 Speaker 1: be honest. I didn't ever read about Atlantis because I 1504 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,840 Speaker 1: thought it was Cookieville, right, I was really. I was 1505 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,880 Speaker 1: surprised because I knew Mark's previous book, so I'm surprised 1506 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,760 Speaker 1: when I saw that he was writing about So it 1507 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,240 Speaker 1: was very interesting. Yeah, and I think folks will enjoy it. Yeah, 1508 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 1: it is. And he brings up a lot of good stuff, 1509 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,240 Speaker 1: which is that there are serious scientists and people out 1510 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,080 Speaker 1: there who are actually talking about Atlantis. I mean, it's 1511 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 1: not it's not just for nutcases. I used to fringe science. No, 1512 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,280 Speaker 1: it's not fringe at all. They're actually in the southern Land. 1513 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,559 Speaker 1: He actually went out and met a lot of really 1514 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 1: really interesting smart people. Yeah, very intelling. Yeah that's the thing. Yeah, 1515 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,600 Speaker 1: there's actually very intelligent people who are working on this 1516 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,800 Speaker 1: and not the Kukvills. You think it's a dome city. Yeah, Aquaman? 1517 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,880 Speaker 1: Is that because I hate Aquaman that's living there. Yeah, 1518 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:41,560 Speaker 1: it's still it's still a submariner. Submariner, submariner. No, no, no, submariner. 1519 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,040 Speaker 1: See what you say a mariner is a sailor when 1520 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 1: you say submariners, saying that's somebody who is less than 1521 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,760 Speaker 1: a sailor. Submariners, submariners. This is this is a real point. 1522 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,720 Speaker 1: If you if you are a submariner, you're not a submariner. 1523 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,160 Speaker 1: That's the wrong way to pronounce it. You know what, 1524 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,439 Speaker 1: I've just figured out what Joe is a total fan 1525 01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:07,679 Speaker 1: of Aquaman. Uncle boy until next week from Thinking Sideways 1526 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:21,599 Speaker 1: Q goodbye, better everyone. A dramatic reading from Mr Grinning. 1527 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,640 Speaker 1: Atlanta was a city land locked hundreds of miles from 1528 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 1: the area you now called the Atlantic Ocean, yet so 1529 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,960 Speaker 1: desperate for the city's desire for tourism that they moved 1530 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,880 Speaker 1: offshore becoming an island and an even bigger Delta hub, 1531 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,400 Speaker 1: until the city over developed and began to sink. Knowing 1532 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,840 Speaker 1: their fate, the quality people ran away, Ted Turner, Hank Aaron, 1533 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Foxworthy, the man who invented Coca cola, the Magician, 1534 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,200 Speaker 1: and the other gods of our legend, though gods they were, 1535 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,840 Speaker 1: and also Jane Fonda was there. The others chose to 1536 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,880 Speaker 1: stay behind in their porches, living with their rifles, and 1537 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,800 Speaker 1: in time evolved into mermaids to sing and dance and ring. 1538 01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:55,240 Speaker 1: The new