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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do.

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Speaker 1: Palestime protests have now hit graduation ceremonies, we have massive

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Speaker 1: political reaction, we have total media freak out.

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Speaker 4: We've got all the highlights and low lights from that.

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Speaker 1: Also, big news while we were all sleeping, Israel has

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Speaker 1: started the evacuation or forceful displacement of Rafa. They also

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Speaker 1: are bombing that city. It appears that that ground invasion

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Speaker 1: is imminent. As these fire talks breakdown, we will bring

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Speaker 1: you all of those very grim details. Meanwhile, Democratic Congressman

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Speaker 1: Henry Quaar that Nancy Pelosi and other moved heaven and

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Speaker 1: earth to save He had a very close primary challenge

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Speaker 1: only one by three hundred votes. Oh, he's been indicted.

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Speaker 1: He's been indicted for corruption him and his wife. Very

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Speaker 1: similar honestly to the Bob Menendez thing, although they have

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Speaker 4: Gold bars as yet that we know about.

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Speaker 1: But incredibly impactful because you have very narrow house majority

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Speaker 1: that down for you've also got a big political debate

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Speaker 1: over lab grown meat. Sager and I will both weigh in.

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Speaker 1: I think we have different views on this one, so

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Speaker 1: it should be a fun one. Christy Noham, who was

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Speaker 1: at least a top potential Trump vpeepic, caught lying flagrantly

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Speaker 1: that apparently never happened. I don't know why you would

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Speaker 1: show you that. We also are taking a look on

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Speaker 1: taking a look in my monologue about Kent State, any

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Speaker 1: lessons that were learned apparently not, and whether we are

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Speaker 1: courting another version of that national catastrophe, and that Stiller

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Speaker 1: truly a massive scandal that had a.

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Speaker 4: Direct impact on you and your wallet.

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Speaker 1: Some quarter of the inflation during the height of the

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Speaker 4: Still, Earn himself helped to.

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Speaker 1: Do some of the journalistic uncovering of this scandal, so

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Speaker 1: he'll talk to us about what the hell happened and

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Speaker 1: what it all means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, real media they would actually cover it,

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Speaker 3: but here it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, domestically, it's one of the biggest stories in

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Speaker 1: don't think they covered it all on the Sunday shows.

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Speaker 1: Like we're talking thousands of dollars that came out of

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Speaker 4: So it is really.

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Speaker 2: As he has the receipt, it's not even a journalistic story.

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Speaker 2: It's the ftc getting involved. So he'll break that down

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Let's get started, like Crystal said, with

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Speaker 2: the protests. So there's been the political reaction. President Biden

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Speaker 2: taking the White House podium to react to the campus protest.

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Speaker 2: These were his first words in reaction after Columbia University.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: So let me be clear, peaceful protest in America. Violent

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Speaker 6: protest is not protected. Peaceful protest is it's against the

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Speaker 6: law of violence occurs. Destroying property is not a peaceful protest,

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Speaker 6: it's against the law. Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses,

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Speaker 6: forcing the cancelation of classes and graduations. None of this

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Speaker 6: scent is essential to democracy, but dissent must never lead

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Speaker 6: it's basically a matter of fairness. It's a matter of

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Speaker 7: Chaos the protest force, Did you reconsider any of the

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Speaker 7: policies with regard to the region.

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Speaker 2: So the two questions that were asked there at the

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Speaker 2: end were have the protest forced you to reconsider any

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Speaker 2: of your policies in the region? President Biden Know? Do

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Speaker 2: you think the National Guard should intervene? President Biden know

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Speaker 2: before he was then exited the room. So President Biden

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Speaker 2: then definitively speaking on the matter there, Crystal, what do you.

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Speaker 4: Think descent must never lead to disorder?

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Speaker 1: I think the founding fathers would like to have a

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Speaker 1: word with you about that conception of protest. I think

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Speaker 4: I mean disorder.

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Speaker 1: The whole point of the media's mirroring of these protesters,

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Speaker 1: little bit, but ninety nine percent of these protests have

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Speaker 4: So that's number one. Number two.

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Speaker 1: Many people contrasted these comments and this approach with the

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Speaker 1: when it came to Black Lives Matter protests. He made

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Speaker 1: it is blatantly hypocritical his approach here versus his approach

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Speaker 1: Piece that I'll add here is than he sasked, you know,

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Speaker 1: is this changing your mind? He says, no, it's actually

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Speaker 1: he's still committed. Zionis wants to do everything to support Israel.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly sober feeling the pressure. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: What they want is a protest that is so meek,

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Speaker 1: fact that this country has been complicit in carpet bombing babies,

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Speaker 1: write a letter to your congressman if you feel upset

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Speaker 1: this type of protest that's in their face, that shows

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Speaker 4: That's much harder to dismiss. It's much harder to ignore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is with President Biden is

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so women who are voting on a borge,

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Speaker 1: they're already in the Democratic Party camp. That's number one,

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Speaker 1: number two before what has given the appearance nationwide of

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Speaker 1: all of that, which I agree is not a great

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Speaker 1: like restore calm, and it's not going to be chaos,

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Speaker 1: and Trump is chaos.

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Speaker 4: What created the chaos was the police cracked out.

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Speaker 1: These protests have been going on at many college campuses

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Speaker 1: since very soon after October seventh, and it hasn't been

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Speaker 4: It's because of.

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Speaker 1: And he greenlit with his commentary this police response. So

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Speaker 1: I think he is putting himself in the worst of

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Speaker 1: all worlds where of course young people absolute hate his guts.

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Speaker 1: There's no way that a young person for whom this

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Speaker 1: issue is important and sees the president smearing them as

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Speaker 1: violent anti semites, is going to want to vote for

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Speaker 4: So that's a disaster. He needs to win young people.

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Speaker 1: And then if you're the person who's like once the

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Speaker 1: law and order candidate, do you think Joe Biden's going.

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Speaker 4: To be your guy?

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Speaker 1: No, You've got a more aggressive, more hardcore, authoritarian law

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Speaker 2: But it's a question of young people and their priority.

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Speaker 1: Well, what happened is you had a peaceful encampment that

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call violence per se, but I guess what

438
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Speaker 2: clashes on campus people screaming at each other kind of

439
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Speaker 2: like that, So I guess this is a former frat boy.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say it all my brothers out there,

441
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Speaker 2: don't ruin your life for the sake of you're literally

442
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Speaker 2: getting expelled and trying to go viral on social media.

443
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Speaker 2: I would just advise you not to do that and

444
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Speaker 2: think about your future. As I had talked about previously.

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Speaker 4: For poms, can we put that back up on the screen.

446
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Speaker 4: Put that back up on the screen.

447
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Speaker 1: Okay, because what you see here, you got these dudes,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, mocking her, calling her lizzo.

449
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Speaker 4: Right, all of that.

450
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's one thing. Then you have this guy who's

451
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Speaker 1: making monkey noises and pretending like he's an ape at

452
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Speaker 1: a black woman. And what you have here is a

453
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Speaker 1: Republican member of Congress tweeting this video positively and saying,

454
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Speaker 1: ole miss taking care of business.

455
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Speaker 4: So it's not no.

456
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Speaker 1: People weren't saying that they're making no, no, no. You

457
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Speaker 1: have a man making literal monkey noises and gestures at

458
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Speaker 1: a black woman.

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Speaker 4: It is as textbook racist as you could possibly get.

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Speaker 1: And this Republican member of Congress is like, yes, I

461
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Speaker 1: like this, this.

462
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Speaker 4: Is good for me.

463
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Speaker 2: So I agree that we should call out the Republican congressman.

464
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Speaker 2: But in the same way, Chris, we shouldn't elevate a

465
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Speaker 2: single person from this thing and say that this is who.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's why it's important, because when it's a single

467
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Speaker 1: anyone associated with the you know, the ceasefire movement, with

468
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Speaker 1: the anti war movement, then this is representative of the

469
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Speaker 1: whole movement, right, And we have to get a presidential

470
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Speaker 1: to create multiple presidential statements in a press conference about

471
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Speaker 1: how they're vile anti semites. But when you have like

472
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Speaker 1: the most racist shit imaginable, well that's just the one.

473
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Speaker 2: That's one God, that's just a one off. The rest

474
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Speaker 2: of the guys are there and they're just shouting out

475
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Speaker 2: and that's fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

476
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Speaker 2: So mart I would say, is I think unfortunately there's

477
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Speaker 2: been a bit of left hypocrisy here where everybody's like, no, see,

478
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Speaker 2: like all these kids are racist.

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Speaker 3: No. Here's what happened at UNC.

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Speaker 2: Those Palestin protesters took down an American flag stupid idea,

481
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Speaker 2: by the way, and then a bunch of UNC frappros

482
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Speaker 2: surrounded and defended the American flag while they were pelted

483
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Speaker 2: with trash. Again, explicitly aligning yourself against the US flag

484
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Speaker 2: wouldn't advise it in the United States. Those people went

485
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Speaker 2: viral and basically from then on, all frat brothers around

486
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: the country are like, okay, we got to get involved

487
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Speaker 2: in this. So again I would say to my brothers

488
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Speaker 2: out there, please don't do this. Do not engage in

489
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Speaker 2: racist mocking of protesters, because it's not going to work

490
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Speaker 2: out well for you, as it worked out in this instance.

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's important to say that just

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Speaker 2: because one guy did it doesn't mean that all of

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Speaker 2: them are racists for coming up and for shouting against them,

494
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Speaker 2: and I don't I have seen, unfortunately, a lot of

495
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Speaker 2: people use the same tactics, which I don't think is

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Speaker 2: fair because it'd be like saying that all of that,

497
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Speaker 2: all of the campus protesters are anti Semites because one

498
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Speaker 2: guy who like barely even goes there said something about Jews,

499
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Speaker 2: and it's like, well, you know, that's not really what

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Speaker 2: it's all about.

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to put that out there. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of hypocrisy on the

505
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Speaker 1: other side, where As I said, one incident can be

506
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Speaker 1: used to tar an entire movement as anti Semitic, whereas

507
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Speaker 1: here this is not even acknowledged, and actually, to the

508
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Speaker 1: extent it was acknowledged, it was celebrated, and the governor

509
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Speaker 1: of the state also, you know, celebrating and lauding, saying

510
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Speaker 1: warm is heart these individuals at ole miss. So fine,

511
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Speaker 1: let's be fair minded and focus on what one side

512
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Speaker 1: stands for and what the other side stands for. One

513
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Speaker 1: side stands for stopping a genocide, the other side stands

514
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Speaker 1: for stopping the kid.

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Speaker 3: We're just pissed off because people have taken over what

516
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Speaker 3: is the what's.

517
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Speaker 4: Their movement about?

518
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Speaker 2: What is their.

519
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Speaker 1: Movement is about? But they're not continue slaughtering children. That's

520
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Speaker 1: what the conflict is about. And so yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. To focus on who are they and are

522
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Speaker 1: they racist, what are they saying whatever, is to miss

523
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Speaker 1: the point of what these protests and counter protests are about.

524
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Speaker 1: The protests are about, let's stop a genocide. The counter

525
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Speaker 1: protests are about let's continuing. So yes, okay, we let's

526
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Speaker 1: have that conversation. I don't this is all a distraction

527
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Speaker 1: from the real issue that these kids are out there

528
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Speaker 1: protesting about.

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Speaker 2: Well, we will have our real discussion, absolutely, But I'm

530
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Speaker 2: saying I don't think it's fair to say that people

531
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Speaker 2: who are annoyed about protesters are coming on their campus

532
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Speaker 2: and who are screaming and shouting and are basically like

533
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Speaker 2: going out there to mock them, like hey, please get

534
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Speaker 2: out of here because we don't necessarily agree with you.

535
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Speaker 2: I don't think that means that they're pro genocide. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even see a single as really flag amongst

537
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Speaker 2: a single one of those guys. I, like I said,

538
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Speaker 2: it was a huge mistake for those unc idiots to

539
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Speaker 2: take down the American flag.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they had to do it, but

541
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Speaker 3: they decided to do it.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, if you want to put yourself against America,

543
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Speaker 2: you are going to get a lot of people who are.

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Speaker 3: Coming out there.

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Speaker 4: Why do such vitriol. There's a vitriol towards people.

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Speaker 1: Who you know, took down a flag, but so much

547
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Speaker 1: less to this man making monkey noises of a black woman,

548
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Speaker 1: and you want to excuse him, and you want to

549
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Speaker 1: call that an.

550
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Speaker 2: Idiot using him. I think I said he was an idiot.

551
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Speaker 2: I only because you're ruined your life for that. I

552
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: absolutely don't condone what he did. What I'm saying, look,

553
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Speaker 2: it's also about convincing people taking down the flag of

554
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Speaker 2: your country in your own country is a dumb idea.

555
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Speaker 2: I think it was huge, it was a backlash. There's

556
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Speaker 2: a reason that it all went viral. I don't have

557
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Speaker 2: vitriol for anybody. In fact, I'm just trying to analyze

558
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Speaker 2: it in terms of like which one is going to

559
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Speaker 2: be more popular. But I'm not in the business just

560
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Speaker 2: as I'm not in the business of smearing counter or protesters,

561
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Speaker 2: as tysmitic as a bunch of frat kids as racist,

562
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Speaker 2: because I've seen this happen. You know, I was in

563
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Speaker 2: a fraternity everybody know, a pro sexual assault and other

564
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: so the bullshit, And I see a lot of the

565
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Speaker 2: media basically participating and trying to cancel or use the

566
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Speaker 2: same tactics that I think Phyzionists are using as the

567
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Speaker 2: counter protesters, and I don't think that's appropriate. More, what

568
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is that I don't look, I mean, at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, I don't really believe in

570
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Speaker 2: terms of that these guys are pro genocide. I think

571
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Speaker 2: that they're participating in a social movement where for a

572
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Speaker 2: lot of people in this country it is annoying to

573
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Speaker 2: have this happen, and so they're coming out and they're

574
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Speaker 2: like yelling, and I don't think there's anything particularly wrong

575
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Speaker 2: with that. You can think that one side is more

576
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Speaker 2: moral if you'd like, but for a lot of people,

577
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Speaker 2: they either don't care or they're you know, they think

578
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Speaker 2: this is something, this is worth to come out and

579
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Speaker 2: just like make fun of people, which again is a

580
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Speaker 2: fundamental American right.

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Speaker 1: Look, I support their right to be assholes. That's part

582
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Speaker 1: of what the First Amendment is but I think we

583
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Speaker 1: should stay focused on what the actual issue is that

584
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Speaker 1: is being protested. And sorry, I don't think one side

585
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Speaker 1: is more moral than the other, one side is more

586
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Speaker 1: moral than the other.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that it could be.

588
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Speaker 1: There could be an issue that is more clear cut

589
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Speaker 1: at this point, when you have so many children slaughtered,

590
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Speaker 1: you have We're going to cover this in the Israel segment.

591
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Speaker 1: Every single child in Rafa right now is either malnourished, sick.

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Speaker 4: Or injured.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, there is a morality gap between the

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Speaker 1: two sides, and I agree with you. It's not fair

595
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Speaker 1: to take one individual and say this is reflective of

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Speaker 1: an entire movement. But that is what's been done to

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Speaker 1: the pro Palestinian students. And suddenly when it's these kids,

598
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Speaker 1: or when it's the UCLA counter protesters, who were the

599
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Speaker 1: ones who are one hundred percent violent, that's just it's

600
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Speaker 1: either completely erased or they're actively celebrated.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm upsetting.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean we can't we can't control with

604
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Speaker 2: the rest of the media does. We can only try

605
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: and you know, cover it the way that we can

606
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Speaker 2: here and I don't think, you know, we're trying to

607
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Speaker 2: erase any horrors or any of the others. We have

608
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Speaker 2: plenty of stuff about that in our shown. I do

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Speaker 2: think if you were on the Palestinian side, you should

610
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Speaker 2: be upset about the way that the media has treated you,

611
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Speaker 2: specifically MSNBC and so called like fellow travelers, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I was on this side'd be furious

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Speaker 2: about the way that they covered BLM or others. I'm

614
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Speaker 2: only saying, well, it's not to send, you know, fight

615
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Speaker 2: fire with fire or any of that, because I don't

616
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Speaker 2: think it will get us to a particularly good place

617
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Speaker 2: and if anything, history shows you will probably backfire. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's a decent enough lesson. Let's go to

619
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Speaker 2: the next part here, when we're going to talk about

620
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Speaker 2: the campus protesters themselves. It's time to save some of

621
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Speaker 2: our fire for the snowflakes on campus. And the snowflakes,

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Speaker 2: it seems, have taken to Fox News, once the place

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Speaker 2: where they would make fun of snowflakes and people who

624
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Speaker 2: were against violent words, and there was no such thing

625
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: as hate speech and safe spaces and all of that.

626
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Speaker 2: Now they have convened a panel of a bunch of

627
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Speaker 2: people who are saying that they feel unsafe, that actually

628
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Speaker 2: hate speech is not free speech.

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Speaker 3: So let's take a listen to that. I think that

630
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Speaker 3: one of the.

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Speaker 9: Main issues is just the way that speech is being promoted,

632
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Speaker 9: because although I do believe that free speech should be

633
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Speaker 9: allowed of course in America, I think that a lot

634
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Speaker 9: of this speech is not being is not actual free

635
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Speaker 9: speech and should not be classified as such. And I

636
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Speaker 9: think that there's also something to be said about the

637
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Speaker 9: lack of speech. That Jewish students are being silenced. We

638
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 9: aren't allowed to talk, we aren't allowed to speak. I

639
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 9: walk past these protests and I'm scared I can't say

640
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Speaker 9: anything to them.

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Speaker 10: I just want to say something that's been incredibly frustrating

642
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Speaker 10: in my eyes, and I'm sure a lot of them

643
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Speaker 10: will agree. There are these token Jews, that's what I

644
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 10: like to call him, who basically renounced their Judaism, don't

645
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Speaker 10: associate with Judaism in the slightest bit, even to me.

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Speaker 3: They've renounced their Judaism.

647
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Speaker 10: I was at a tabling event earlier this year for

648
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Speaker 10: mis Rockley Heritage Month, and this kid who's like the

649
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Speaker 10: prominent face of JVP told me I renounced my Juju

650
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Speaker 10: JAVP Jewish Voices for Peace got it anyway, So he

651
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Speaker 10: told me himself that he renounces his Judaism.

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Speaker 3: But then you know, the second CNN comes.

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Speaker 10: He puts on a tallest he puts on his kipa

654
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Speaker 10: and he sits in the middle of the kill and

655
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Speaker 10: leaves a satyr. And was really frustrating there is that

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Speaker 10: there are guys like Mark Ruffalo from the outside, who

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Speaker 10: are you know, hopping in from their high horse saying

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Speaker 10: there's no anti semitism, Mark Rofflo. I understand that you're famous,

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Speaker 10: but you're not on campus. Also there's Professor Howley, the

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Speaker 10: Jewish professor who I've never seen associate with Jewish community

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Speaker 10: once come in and say they're teaching about anti Semitism here,

662
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Speaker 10: so clearly there's no antisemitism. While Professor Holly, the same

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Speaker 10: kids who are teaching about anti Semitism are also the

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Speaker 10: modern day Nazis. They're the ones saying, what's globalizing, it's

665
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Speaker 10: a fault it, let's target Jews. They're the ones who

666
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Speaker 10: are encouraging harassment against Jews. So is really frustrating when

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Speaker 10: these token Jews step in act like they understand what's

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Speaker 10: happening and then kind of make it as if were

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Speaker 10: weaponizing anti Semitism, So.

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Speaker 3: What's anti semitic?

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Speaker 2: Saying token Jews because Jews aren't acting like Jews that

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Speaker 2: you should like, you're basically defining Judaism for everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I would never dream of doing that for somebody who

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Speaker 2: is Indian American or trying to define that for others.

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Speaker 2: And then my personal favorite is that she feels unsafe

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Speaker 2: because she quote can't she doesn't even try to speak

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Speaker 2: to the count to the protesters.

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Speaker 3: Right whenever he DA's on our campus.

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Speaker 2: And apparently that means that hate speech is actually not

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Speaker 2: free speech.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're right back to where we started. This

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Speaker 3: is war on.

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Speaker 2: Terror crap, you know this is this might as well

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Speaker 2: be Fox News in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 3: It's like we're basically right back to where we were.

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Speaker 1: It's actually more unhinged War onto it is because think

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Speaker 1: about Okay, so Fox News, this is not a one off,

688
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Speaker 1: like they're just constantly bringing on these college kids to.

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Speaker 4: Well, I need my safe space and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Words are violence and all the stuff that they mocked

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Speaker 1: right just justly in my opinion that they mocked like

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Speaker 1: you know, overly woke college students for in the past.

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Speaker 1: Now suddenly, oh they're all in on the freaking safe

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Speaker 1: spaces and words are violence.

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, that dude so anti semitic to think you

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Speaker 1: get to define who's a real Jew and who's.

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Speaker 4: A quote unquote token Jew.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm glad he said it, because

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Speaker 1: this is exactly the line of thinking that's used to

701
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Speaker 1: dismiss Jewish voices for peace and the other Jewish pro testers.

702
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Usually it's done more quietly. This kid comes out and

703
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Speaker 1: says it, Basically, if you don't support Israel in the

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Speaker 1: way I think you should, you're not a real Jew.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way that Benjamin Netanyahu thinks about it,

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Speaker 1: that's the way that many of the sort of like

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Speaker 1: hardcore zion Is, that's the way they view it. And

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Speaker 1: to conflate Jewish identity with one particular nation state that's

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Speaker 1: actually in the definition of anti semitism.

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Speaker 4: That just cut combine.

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Speaker 1: So to my point about how this is more insane

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Speaker 1: than the war on Terror, you not only have this

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Speaker 1: media totally manufactured outrage, panic free count etc. Complete with

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Speaker 1: presidential statements and members of Congress calling for the FBI

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Speaker 1: to get involved. I mean, they're not even doing covertly anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're just like blatantly calling for the FBI to infiltrate

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Speaker 1: these protests. And then you have multiple pieces of legislation

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Speaker 1: that are passing that are codifying anti semitism as basically

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Speaker 1: you can't criticisize Israel and you have a TikTok ban,

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Speaker 1: which Soccer and I disagree about whether or not there

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Speaker 1: should be a TikTok ban, but we do not agree

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Speaker 1: on the fact that it was one hundred percent sparked

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Speaker 1: at this time by this panic freak out manufactured crisis

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Speaker 1: over anti semitism. In fact, Romney was just talking to

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Speaker 1: Tony Blincoln and so the same crap. I mean a minute,

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Speaker 1: it's straight out we have to think about that. We

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Speaker 1: have to ban an entire your social media platform because

728
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Speaker 1: we don't like the information that these kids have access

729
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Speaker 1: to there, and we don't like the things that are

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Speaker 1: being said there.

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Speaker 4: We didn't even in the height of the War.

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Speaker 1: On Terror, we didn't get to that level of censorship insanity.

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Speaker 1: Now we're banning entire social media platforms. And Romney even

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Speaker 1: seemed to indicate like that might not be the only one,

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Speaker 1: because we saw in our poll the numbers are wildly

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Speaker 1: different in terms of how people view this conflict depending

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Speaker 1: on whether they're social media news consumers, podcast news consumers,

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Speaker 1: or cable news. Cable news viewers, they're the ones that

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Speaker 1: maybe need to be shut down. They're the ones being

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Speaker 1: brain with all this fake anti semitism stories.

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Speaker 2: Now are you starting to speak my language, Perystal? Now,

742
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: now we're starting to actually get somewhere. Let's ban cable

743
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Speaker 2: news for the good of the country, speaking of war

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00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: on terror idiocy.

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Speaker 3: Here we have the the NYPD has really found its roots, Crystal.

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00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: We're right back to the two thousand and two panics

747
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Speaker 2: as well. Here you have an officer who holds up

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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: a book on terrorism and is like.

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Speaker 3: This is what was found amongst the protests. Let's take

750
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Speaker 3: a lesson. Somebody's behind this, somebody's funding this. There's probably

751
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Speaker 3: bigger in New York City. Bigger in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Police devombit. We got to figure out what's going on.

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Speaker 11: Wow.

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Speaker 12: So it sounds like what you're saying is this raises

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Speaker 12: your level of alert even higher here in New York City.

756
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Speaker 12: But this could mean that as you said, it's a

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Speaker 12: national issue that then could involve potentially the FBI and

758
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 12: CIA really trying to track down, as you said, who's

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Speaker 12: funding this.

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Speaker 11: Let's talk about Columbia, Let's talk about Hamilton Whole right,

761
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 11: a book on terrorism. Wow, And I've said it before

762
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Speaker 11: that there's somebody, whether it's paid not paid, but they

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Speaker 11: are radicalizing our students.

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Speaker 2: Christal as a recipient of a National security master's degree

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Speaker 2: from Georgetown, I hope the FBI never raids my house

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Speaker 2: because I have a lot more in s indiar shit

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Speaker 2: than that. Do you know why, Because that's what we

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Speaker 2: studied in school. The school is called terrorism. A very

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Speaker 2: short introduction by Charles Townsend. The book is quote a

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Speaker 2: very short series introduction from the Oxford University Press that

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Speaker 2: contains hundreds of titles in every subject area and as

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Speaker 2: they put it here, discusses the emergence of ISIS and

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Speaker 2: an upsurgeon individual suicide action explores the issues involved in

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Speaker 2: a proportionate response to the threat they present, particularly by

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Speaker 2: liberal democratic societies. This is basically, you know what, you

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Speaker 2: know why the book was probably there because somebody who

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Speaker 2: was studying first school for.

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Speaker 4: Going on right now, it's like we.

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Speaker 3: Can you know, have a what is happening here?

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Speaker 2: This is that is quite for those who are too young,

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Speaker 2: and there's a decent chunk of our audience who was

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Speaker 2: actually too young to remember what a lot of this

783
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: like this is. I was coming of the age, like

784
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: beginning to watch the news. This is what I most

785
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: remember about the War on Terror era. It was like

786
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: they found one book in there, or one guy tweeted

787
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: one bad thing, and that's why he's doing twenty five

788
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: to life, you know, in a federal prison today because

789
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: the FBI entrapped and ensnared him. Like we're on that

790
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: level of type of craziness, and they basically we've been

791
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: talking a lot about the sixties.

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Speaker 3: I've in talking about some of the backlash.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that we don't study enough

794
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: is the full on police state infiltration of a lot

795
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Speaker 2: of these leftists, which is probably one of the most

796
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: insane anti First Amendment things that has happened in the

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: history of this country. It seems like they want to

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Speaker 2: recreate it. This is like McCarthyism two point zero, except

799
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Speaker 2: there's zero here as opposed to like ten percent here.

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Speaker 4: It's it's just insane.

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Speaker 1: It's like a freaking textbook intellectual history of an understanding.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, someone was probably using it to study

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Speaker 1: for their class, just like the remember the chain they brought.

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Speaker 4: All these are the tools of professional agitators. It's a

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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: bike lock. Okay, guess what.

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Speaker 1: There are textbooks and bikelocks on a college campus. You

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00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: don't have to get the counter terror unit involved. And

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Speaker 1: I just I can lose in my mind over this

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Speaker 1: because it actually reminded me of at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: this whole post October seventh conversation, remember when the bin

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: laden letter oh yes was going viral on TikTok, and

812
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: there was a whole thing about that too, like god

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Speaker 1: forbid that people read some like relevant historical document and

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Speaker 1: have a different idea.

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Speaker 4: But like it was that level panic.

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Speaker 1: But this is even more insane because it's literally one

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00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: book found in one place. It also reminded me of

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Speaker 1: remember there were a number of instances where the IDF

819
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: would go in and claim like we found a copy

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Speaker 1: of Mind Come for Whatever in some house somewhere in Gaza,

821
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: or some other material that they claimed was really malicious, etc.

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00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: It's you know, people still read mindkomfy the way for

823
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Speaker 1: historical perspectives as part of being a literate intellectual who

824
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: understands history. Just like you know, we watch Russian propaganda

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you understand that they like anyway, that's that's what

826
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about about here and New York City too.

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Speaker 1: We can go back to a five because this just

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Speaker 1: shows you the level of the like, you know, monsters,

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and total freak out here. This is a councilwoman

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Speaker 1: in New York City who says the NYPD confirms that

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of arrests at NYU were in dude students,

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Speaker 1: not outside agitators, which was very inconvenient for their narrative

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Speaker 1: by the way. They were going hard on the outside

834
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Speaker 1: agitators thing. So she goes, continues, the sad reality is

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Speaker 1: that our schools are producing monsters and it's now our

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Speaker 1: job to slay them. Simple as that producing monsters and

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Speaker 1: that's now our job to slay them. So you know,

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Speaker 1: words aren't literal violence. But I would ask you which

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Speaker 1: whose words are more important? Those of you know, some

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Speaker 1: random student at Columbia University or you know, a politician

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Speaker 1: and a position of power who's saying that we need

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Speaker 1: to slay our college kids because they're monsters like it's

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Speaker 1: just and based again on like some terrorism textbook or

844
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Speaker 1: a bikelock or whatever that was about.

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Speaker 2: And finally, in terms of our war on Terrort series,

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Speaker 2: here we have Alan Dershowitz back.

847
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Speaker 3: He's fully back this time, guys.

848
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: He has now started a new organization to launch quote

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Speaker 2: massive offensive lawfair against anybody who they deem being anti Semitic.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 13: We are going to be engaging in massive defensive and

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Speaker 13: offensive lawfair against biggots, anti Semites and potential violent terrorists.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take many, many kinds of legal actions.

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Speaker 14: We're starting a group called her did Jew We Sue you,

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Speaker 14: in which if you send us the name of a

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Speaker 14: Jewish kid, it could be a Christian Zionist too, who

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00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 14: was hurt by one of these big We will sue them,

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Speaker 14: and we will get their dorm rooms taken away, and

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Speaker 14: we will take their cars in their boomboxes, and we'll

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Speaker 14: bankrupt them. We will do whatever is necessary under the

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Speaker 14: law in order to bring these lawsuits, bring them successfully

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Speaker 14: and deter October seventh.

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Speaker 13: Remember there are people out there who have promised they

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Speaker 13: will bring ten thousand October seventh, that's genocide. Ten thousand

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Speaker 13: October sevens is the end of the Jewish people.

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Speaker 3: That's genocide.

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Speaker 2: That's Hitler in a sign that it is definitely two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two, Alan still thinks that young people have boomboxes, Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: That Jeffrey Epstein's close associate has weighed into the conversation here,

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Speaker 1: very telling moment when he says, like, if you've been

872
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Speaker 1: if you're a Jew has been.

873
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: Hurt by one of these bigots.

874
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Christian Zionists would be fine too,

875
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: because guess what. I could refer you to some Jews

876
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: who were hurt by aggressive agitators at UCLA, but they're

877
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: not Zionists, so you don't care. You don't care about

878
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: those particular Jewish people. You probably think like that, you know,

879
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: do that they interviewed on Fox News their quote unquote

880
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: token Jews because they aren't Zionists and so in your

881
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: mind they don't count. And it's listen, I don't even

882
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: know what to say about this, but the idea of

883
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: aggressively weaponizing the law against college students for you know,

884
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: your own political purposes, and just that you feel open

885
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: to admit that outly allowed is pretty disgusting, not to

886
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: mention his own questionable past.

887
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Last thing that we had to put

888
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: in here. Actually, I'm curious what you think about this.

889
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: I'll put this up there on the screen. This is

890
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: from the Washington Post. They say university endowments show a

891
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: few signs of direct Israel and defense holdings.

892
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: But he has an idea.

893
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: This gentleman who wrote this column, Todd Frankly says student

894
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: protesters could try a different tactic, one that does not

895
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: seem to have found any traction amid these volig demands.

896
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: They could instead become investors in defense contractors or other

897
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: companies that they want to influence. That would then allow

898
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: them to become activist investors and push for the changes

899
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: that they want to see from the inside.

900
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 13: Uh.

901
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: Marciano said, So, I know he was being dunked on.

902
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a.

903
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: Terrible idea, Sager. No, I'll tell you why.

904
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Because that's basically what divestment is, is that they're asking

905
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: their school endowments to act quote unquote as active investors

906
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: and to divest from these defense contracting companies by becoming

907
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: an investor you would get an active say in company,

908
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 2: I mean.

909
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: How much money you had to invest in stocks when

910
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: you were a college student. But it doesn't I doubt

911
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: that it's going to match the like multiple billion dollar

912
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: investments the stock set.

913
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: Glad to mention the idea.

914
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Of like we're gonna instead of divestment, we're actually going

915
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: to invest. We're going to like bolster the stock of

916
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin or Boeing or whatever.

917
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: What's the most not a bad investment.

918
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: It's the most neoliberal idea I have ever heard of,

919
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: not to mention being one of the stupidest ideas I've

920
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: ever heard of, because again, we're not talking about Bill

921
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Ackman here.

922
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: We're talking about like, you know, Susie.

923
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: Who can barely afford her meal plan, or like is struggling.

924
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: To be looking up the market cap. Yeah, so market

925
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: cap of Lockied Martin is one hundred and ten billions.

926
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 4: I'm sure they'll be really.

927
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: Difficulty, They'll be able to really make a dent. They'll

928
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: be able with their activists investing to you know, make

929
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: sure that Lockied Martin does their bidding just the most rate.

930
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: Theeon market cap is one hundred and thirty four billions.

931
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: It's one thing for it's one thing for someone to have.

932
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: A stupid idea, okay, but then for the Washington Post

933
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: to publish this is like, hey, here's something to think about.

934
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Why don't you just like throw your weight around in

935
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: the in the stock market and see how that years

936
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: are Instead of having all this disruption, which is so uncomfortable,

937
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: why don't you just play with money like all the

938
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: people on Wall Street.

939
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: I'll defend the students there in that in that because

940
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: their universities have become hedge funds, you know, pressuring their

941
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: hedge funds with actual power to make an investment, it's

942
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: not a bad idea. Part of the thing is that,

943
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: for example, in Texas and a couple of other states,

944
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: they've actually passed laws that either force or will go after.

945
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: Companies that invest in ESG.

946
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons that they're able to throw

947
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: their weight around is not through the states banks. It's

948
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: through the endowments, like for the University of Texas or

949
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: the University of Texas, A and M and love.

950
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: I think it's Texas Tech as well.

951
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Now, by the way, I don't think any of these

952
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: dowment should evening exists period. But if they are going

953
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: to exist, you might as well pressure them in order

954
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: to do something.

955
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: It does.

956
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that is part of what these students have

957
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: exposed is the way that these universities are like hedge

958
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: funds first.

959
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: It's true, before educational institution and trying to say.

960
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: You have to ask us out.

961
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: Because there are a few places that have said okay,

962
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: not even some of them. It wasn't even will divest,

963
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: it was we'll have a vote on it. And guess

964
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: what the students were like, Okay, that's that's sufficient. We'll

965
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: accept that and we'll you know, we'll disband, we'll like

966
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: dismantle our protests whatever. You don't have to call in

967
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the cops. You just have to actually negotiate in good

968
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: faith with them. And there are a few places that

969
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: took steps towards divestment because you have to ask yourself, like,

970
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's Columbia University. I'm sure this president of

971
00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: Columbia is not enjoying this. Why are these investment in

972
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: Lockey Martin.

973
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: Or what like?

974
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: Why are they so dear to.

975
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: You that that's completely off the table to even consider,

976
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the fact there was a vote

977
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: at Columbia Barnard and the students are overwhelmingly in favor

978
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: of divestment. So student body is overwhelming favorite, the faculty

979
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly in favor of it. So it's not like

980
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: you're capitulating to this very small liver minority demand. It's

981
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: like very broadly supported. So when you look at this,

982
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: you're like, why is this so important to you that

983
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: you're willing to die on this hill.

984
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: That's because of all the donors who donate to university,

985
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: the students.

986
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: Students, Robert Kraft.

987
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft is the actual guy who runs that university.

988
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: I also looked it up. It makes sense, Brown's Universities

989
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: and dowmin It's only six.

990
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: Point six billion. It's like nothing. You know, Colombia is

991
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 3: like almost fifteen.

992
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: Billis and Brown is the one that said they'd have

993
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: a vote on divestment. And the other schools that I

994
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: saw that were willing to negotiate were by and large

995
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: like smaller schools.

996
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: For example, University of Texas Austin ten point eight billion.

997
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Harvard University. Harvard University's endowment is

998
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: larger than the GDP of many small African nations. That

999
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: is the level of insanity that we currently live in,

1000
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: and that's why we need an endowment tax.

1001
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: So other things you could invest in, you know, there's

1002
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: lots of others.

1003
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: One thing you could invest in your students so they

1004
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: don't have to pay eighty thousand dollars.

1005
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: How about that?

1006
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: But that's not possible.

1007
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: How about that Columbia. Actually I did a whole monologue

1008
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: on this back in the day. Princeton University just on

1009
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: the like four percent withdrawal rule could pay tuition for

1010
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: every single student that they have, just on the interest

1011
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: of the capital that they already have in their endowment,

1012
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: except they continue to increase tuition. So they're criminals in

1013
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: a different regard to And I wish that this would

1014
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: spark a conversation about that.

1015
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, let's move on to the very

1016
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: latest out of Israel because we have some big breaking

1017
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: news this morning. So we have some very grim news

1018
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: to report out of Israeli Gaza strip this morning.

1019
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

1020
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: Evacuation orders have been issued for over one hundred thousand

1021
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Palestinians in Rafa. Bombing of Rafa, which had already begun

1022
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: in a sort of sporadic manner seemed to escalate as well.

1023
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: Let me read you a little bit of this from

1024
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Reuter's headline, is Israel begins evacuating part of Rafa Hamas

1025
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: to CRY's dangerous escalation. Israel's military carried out airstrikes on Monday,

1026
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: residents said, hours after they told Palestinians to evacuate parts

1027
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: of the southern Gaza city, where more than a million

1028
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: people uprooted by the war have been sheltering. Fears are

1029
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: growing of a full blown assault in Rafa, long threatened

1030
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: by Israel against holdowns of the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

1031
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: As ceasefire talks in Cairo stall, instructed by Arabic text messages,

1032
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: phone calls and flyers to move to what the Israeli

1033
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: military called an expanded humanitarian zone about seven miles away.

1034
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Some Palestinian families began trundling away under Chili spring rain.

1035
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: Some piled children in possessions onto donkey carts, others left

1036
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: by pickup or on foot through muddy streets. One refugee

1037
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: Abu Raid told Reuters via a chat app quote, it

1038
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: has been raining heavily.

1039
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: We don't know where to go. I've been worried that

1040
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 4: this day may come.

1041
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: And as a reference before, there was an overnight aerial

1042
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: assault on Rafa. Israeli planes hit around ten houses, killing

1043
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: somewhere around twenty people and wounding several more according to

1044
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: medical officials.

1045
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: So there's a lot to say about this.

1046
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, keep in mind Rafa, why

1047
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: is it so significant? You have over a million people

1048
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: who have been already forcibly displaced, who are sheltering there

1049
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: right up along the border with Egypt. The US has

1050
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: been warning against a Rafa invasion because the results are

1051
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: inevitably going to be catastrophic on a humanitarian level. So

1052
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the fact that you now have more than one hundred

1053
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: thousand people who are being once again forcibly displaced, some people,

1054
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: some of these individuals will this will be their third

1055
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: fourth displacement at this point, it indicates that that long

1056
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: feared Rafa invasion is set to begin. And as I

1057
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: mentioned before, you also already have air strikes occurring. So Sager,

1058
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: it's a very it's a very dire situation that we're

1059
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: watching unfold this morning.

1060
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: It's going to be major geopolitical developments. Everybody, brace yourselves.

1061
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: What we're seeing here is that the evacuation notice delivered

1062
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: by text messages, phone calls, flyers broadcasts in Arabic. That's

1063
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 2: almost usual. That's actually what the IDF IS bragged about

1064
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: in the past. We're the most more alarming because we

1065
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: warned people before we're coming in there, so previously we knew.

1066
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: There are one million Palestinians currently sheltering in Rafa, the

1067
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: only city which hasn't been subject to the ground invasion.

1068
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing, Crystal is that the area which they're

1069
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: being told to move to has apparently already been overcrowded

1070
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: with tents. There's also a major question as to whether

1071
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: a military age men are going to be allowed to leave.

1072
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Previously we've brought in everybody the report that they were not.

1073
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: But this puts the Israel on a major standoff with

1074
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 2: the United States, which has been telling them that they

1075
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: do not desire this. And it also is a major

1076
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: dip somatic failure for Joe Biden. I mean, because at

1077
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: a certain point, you know, you if you were going

1078
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: to say, what for the last three months, we don't

1079
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: want to see a rapha invasion, and then it happens anyway,

1080
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: and you have exerted the full might of your superpower

1081
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: to prevent that, then you just look like an idiot.

1082
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: And that's really a lot of what we're seeing right here,

1083
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: although there may be some policy developments, and I'm curious

1084
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: to hear what you think about this AML thing.

1085
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put this up on the screen, because I mean,

1086
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: I think it is really clear. I think it's really

1087
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: important to make clear we didn't use the full might

1088
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Speaker 1: of our superpower status. We use some you know, rhetorical

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Speaker 1: public warnings, allegedly, some tough conversations.

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Speaker 4: We now have.

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Speaker 1: This report that I don't know if I believe that

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Speaker 1: claims the US put a hold on an ammunition shipment

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Speaker 1: to Israel. The Israelis were concerned because it's the first

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Speaker 1: time since October seventy the US had stopped a weapon

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Speaker 1: shipment intended for the Israeli military. The Biden administration, according

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Speaker 1: to two Israeli officials, put a whole on a shipment

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Speaker 1: of US made ammo. So it's not saying it's not

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00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: going there, claiming that there's a hold on it. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not, but according

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00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: to this report, every serious concerns inside the Israeli government

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00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: set official scrambling to understand why the shipment was held,

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Speaker 1: and they put it in the context of this concern

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: over Rafa invasion from the Biden administration. You had US

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln visiting Israel last week and

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00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: having a tough conversation with net Nyaho regarding a possible

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00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: Israeli operation in Rafa. Blincn told Net Yahoo that a

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00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: major military operation would lead to the US publicly opposing

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00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: it and would negatively impact US Israel relations. A day later,

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Speaker 1: John Kirby, White House spokesman, told reporters that Israeli leaders

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Speaker 1: understand President Biden is sincere when he talks about the

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00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: possibility of changes to US policy regarding the God's War

1112
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Speaker 1: should they move ahead with a ground operation in Rafa

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Speaker 1: that doesn't take into account the Refugee's National Security Advisor

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00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan also said a Financial Times conference on Saturday,

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00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: the Biden administration made clear to Israel the way it

1116
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: will conduct an operation in Rafa will influence US policy

1117
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: towards the Gaza War. So what you hear in all

1118
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: of that is no firm threats. There's if we don't

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00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: like the It's not even like you can't do a

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Speaker 1: ground invasion of Rafa. It's if you conduct it in

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Speaker 1: a way that we don't like, that doesn't at least

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00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: give us some kind of ass covering because we're under

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Speaker 1: a lot of political pressure here at home, then maybe

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Speaker 1: we might possibly in some unspecified way, change our policy

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Speaker 1: visa VI Israel. And I think, you know, BB is

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00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: basically calling the bluff because many other times there have

1127
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: been concerns raised about this or that in tough conversations

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00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: that were happening, and Israel did whatever the hell they

1129
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: wanted and there was absolutely no price to pay. So

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00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: I think there once again betting that is what's going

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00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: to happen again.

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Speaker 2: The alternative explanation I want to put forward is there's

1133
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: a lot of ammunition exp's out there who don't even

1134
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: think this had anything to do with Israel. They just

1135
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: think that they probably had to send the AMMO to

1136
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Speaker 2: Ukraine because Ukraine is so hard up for ammunition.

1137
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Speaker 15: Right now.

1138
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Speaker 3: Just shows us also that it's a choice to supply both.

1139
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Speaker 2: Of these nations not particularly important to us, and all

1140
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: of these wars for what purpose exactly. Let's go and

1141
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: put the next one up there on the screen. This

1142
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: is important to highlight. They say that Israeli officials confirmed

1143
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: that the US had told Israel that any uncoordinated operation

1144
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: would lead to delays in weaponshipments and possible restrictions on

1145
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: US US weapons significant This is from an Israeli media report. Again,

1146
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: it's a hypothetical and the one of the reasons I

1147
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe it given the fact that these AMMO

1148
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: might have been held.

1149
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: For Ukraine purposes.

1150
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: Is Biden is on tape saying that there are no

1151
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: conditions whenever it comes to Israel. So then why would

1152
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: he now all of a sudden just decide to put

1153
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: it in practice, Like there's no real military Let's be honest,

1154
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: no actual difference between the military's conduct in Rafa or

1155
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: will be so far from the previous execute of the war.

1156
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: So what makes this particular one so much worse? Like

1157
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: if you've stuck with them throughout all of this, Like

1158
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: if we're going to draw lines, we should have drawn

1159
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: it a long time ago, or we should have set

1160
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: very clear diplomatic standoff, or like if this goes on,

1161
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: you will lose aid. There will be a major political

1162
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: reaction here in the United States. We will allow X

1163
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: Y and Z to go through, you know, at the

1164
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: United Nations. But very clearly Beebe does not believe. He

1165
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: either believes that's not going to happen, or he believes

1166
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: if it does happen, he'll be totally fine. And I

1167
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: think he's right, you know, in both respects.

1168
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Speaker 4: I think he's right too.

1169
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's no track record of them actually paying

1170
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Speaker 1: a price, with Joe Biden for any of their actions,

1171
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: including you know, murdering an American aid worker, there were

1172
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Speaker 1: no consequences to that.

1173
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: There haven't been any real consequences for.

1174
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Speaker 1: Anything that Israel has done, whether it's dropping two thousand

1175
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: pound bombs on refugee camps, you know, destroying the entire

1176
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Speaker 1: medical system, completely annihilating most of Gaza, there have been

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Speaker 1: no consequences. So of course he's pretty justified in thinking

1178
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Speaker 1: there's not going to be a consequence for this either.

1179
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: It's just more empty words. I think that is likely

1180
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: a very safe bet. Just to back up a little

1181
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: bit and give a little bit more of the context here,

1182
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: this new apparent development with regard to RAFFA and the

1183
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: evacuation or an apparent imminent ground invasion, and you know,

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00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: increased already airstrikes on Rafa. This comes immediately after those

1185
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: ceasefire talks that were ongoing and that supposedly the US

1186
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: was really pressing for which I think I actually think

1187
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Speaker 1: that they were because I think Biden realizes what political

1188
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: trouble he's in right now, those.

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Speaker 4: Talks have collapsed.

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Speaker 1: So we could put this up on the screen because

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Speaker 1: I don't want you guys to get hoodwinked by the

1192
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: way the media is definitely going to frame this. So

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Speaker 1: this is from Haretz. This was a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: They said report Hamas accepts Gaza ceasefire deal, but Israeli

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Speaker 1: officials reject the prospect of the war ending. So without

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Speaker 1: getting into all the details here about phase one, phase two,

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Speaker 1: phase three, what they were negotiating, what the framework looked like, etc.

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Speaker 4: Because it looks like this is.

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Speaker 1: All now Nolan void Hamas agreed to return all of

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Speaker 1: the hostages and all of the you know, human remains

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Speaker 1: of the hostages who had died or been killed in

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Speaker 1: order to end the war. Okay, We've been hearing this

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Speaker 1: line from israel defenders for however long, like, if Hamas

1204
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: just returns to the hostages, then the war will end. Well,

1205
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Speaker 1: Hamas says, okay, we'll return all the hostages, but the

1206
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: war has to end, and Israel said no. They rejected

1207
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Speaker 1: that Phoebe does not want the war to end, and

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: we all know why. And this is over, by the way,

1209
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Speaker 1: the objections of Israeli society, who you know, they're not

1210
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: worried about the humanity of Palestinians, but.

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Speaker 4: They're very worried about the hostages.

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Speaker 1: And it's very clear that Biebe would rather keep the

1213
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: war going than actually rescue the hostages. There have been

1214
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: huge protests in Israel, tens of thousands of people coming out.

1215
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: We covered the polling that even right wing voters want

1216
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: the hostages back if even if it means, you know,

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: an end to the war and a calling of elections.

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Speaker 4: Bibi doesn't want that.

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Speaker 1: Put this next piece up on the screen, because once

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00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: again Harets really put it quite clear. This is ken Roth,

1221
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: who's quoting from a piece that was in Haretz.

1222
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Speaker 4: He says net.

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Speaker 1: Now, who hoped Hamas would reject the ceasefire offer. When

1224
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: it didn't, he turned to sabotage by saying he would

1225
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: invader Rafa whether or not there was a deal with Hamas,

1226
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: torpedoing Israel's last and best chance at bringing the hostages home.

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Speaker 1: Bibi had hoped. They write in this piece that the

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Speaker 1: Egyptian proposal, which was more far reaching than anything he'd

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: been willing to accept in the past, would be rejected

1230
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: by Hamas. But when the negotiations took a positive turn,

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: he found himself in distress, as was expressed by his

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00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: flurry of statements. Given our familiarity, they go on to

1233
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: take some shots at his quote unquote pampered son on

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: the front in Miami. His fright is indeed understandable if

1235
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: Hamas says yes, and even if it adds a butt

1236
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: in one form or another. Net Now, who will have

1237
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: no choice but to carry through what he agreed with

1238
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: Egypt in the US? Doing so could lead his kahanas

1239
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: those are the hard right flank to bring down the government.

1240
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: On the other hand, of his attempts at sabotage succeed,

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: the National Union could pull out of the government, and

1242
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: its leaders, who still have the trust of a large

1243
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: section of the public, would join the growing calls for

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Speaker 1: early elections.

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Speaker 4: Is it any wonder.

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00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: He is hysterical? So that's basically what happened. He wanted

1247
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: to have these sham negotiations. He wanted to put a

1248
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: deal out that he thought Hamas would reject. When Hamas

1249
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: was like, actually, we're open to that, we'll give you

1250
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: all the hostages back, but you have to end the war.

1251
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: He had to do something to sabotage this deal because

1252
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: it is overwhelmingly popular in Israeli society to have some

1253
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: sort of a deal to end the war. He can't

1254
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: do that for his own, you know, holding on to

1255
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: power purposes.

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Speaker 3: So very tragic.

1257
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Speaker 1: So that's you know, and the other piece of context

1258
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Speaker 1: I want to add in here too, which is highly

1259
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: relevant to the imminent ground invasion of Rath and evacuation orders,

1260
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, is they have now officially banned Al Jazeera

1261
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Speaker 1: in Israel, shutter the offices, et cetera. So a huge

1262
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Speaker 1: crackdown on any sort of dissenting media coming immediately before

1263
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Speaker 1: this escalation as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right, Crystal.

1265
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: It's actually very tragic because it seemed like it was

1266
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: on the horizon. We were prepared to do a segment

1267
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: to Conde's Clears. It just completely fell apart at the

1268
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Speaker 2: last minute. The key part is that the youth, and

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00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: this is where I do believe the reporting about the

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: US where they basically told Tomas, They're like, listen, if

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Speaker 2: they agree to this, we're going to end the war.

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: Like it's not going to happen. Well, eventually, yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: forty days. We're going to give you our personal assurance.

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00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: But it appears that that personal assurance was enough for

1275
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: the Israeli is to just say, Okay, if you really

1276
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: want us to commit to any war, it's not going

1277
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: to happen, and we're just going to go into the

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00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: RAFA and we're going to you know, quote unquote finish

1279
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: the job. So good luck to them, because you know

1280
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: this is going to this is just going to be

1281
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: like the previous iterations of the war, but honestly on

1282
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: steroids now at this point, because at this point, there

1283
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: really is nowhere else to go for a lot of

1284
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: these people, and the conditions are so much worse that

1285
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: mass death is only even more likely at a worse scale.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. There is nowhere left to go.

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00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: There is nowhere left that hasn't been completely devastated. There

1288
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: has been multiple reports from entirely mainstream outlets like The

1289
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: New York Times and NPR and wherever about how the

1290
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: quote unquote safe zones. None of them have been safe,

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: none of them have been you know, excluded from bombing campaigns.

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: And by the way, as Sagera was mentioning before, the

1293
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: place they're telling people to flee to.

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Speaker 4: It's already jam packed.

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01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: It's already in crisis in terms of you know, lack

1296
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Speaker 1: of sanitation, lack of water, illness running, rampant malnourishment of children,

1297
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So it's a horrific situation that

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01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: appears set to get even worse in you know, with

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Speaker 1: regard to that, some extraordinary comments made from Cindy McCain.

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Speaker 1: She is the director of the UN's World Food Program.

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Speaker 1: She was on NBC's Meet the Press, and she indicated

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Speaker 1: to them that northern Gaza is no longer on the

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Speaker 1: brink of or on the verge of et cetera. It

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Speaker 1: is in full blown famine, and that famine is rapidly

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Speaker 1: expanding to the south. Let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: she had to say.

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Speaker 16: Famine happens, and so what I can explain to you

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Speaker 16: is is that there is famine, full blown famine in

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Speaker 16: the north and it's moving its way south, and so

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Speaker 16: with what we're asking for and what we continually asked for,

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Speaker 16: is a ceasefire and the ability to have unfettered access

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Speaker 16: to get in safe and unfettered access to get into

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Speaker 16: the into gost At various ports and various various gay crossings.

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Speaker 17: I just want to be very clear because what you're

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Speaker 17: saying is significant, and I believe it's the first time

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Speaker 17: we've heard it. You're saying there is full blown famine. Yes,

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Speaker 17: in northern gossips Am.

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Speaker 16: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 17: And there has not been an official declaration that there

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Speaker 17: is femine but you are saying not based on what.

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Speaker 15: You've seen, Yes, it is based on what we've seen

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Speaker 15: and what we've experienced from the ground. Yes, which is

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Speaker 15: it's it's harror, it's you know, it's it's so hard

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Speaker 15: to look at and it's so hard to hear.

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Speaker 4: Also so horrific, absolutely horrific.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for all of Israel's child or increasing

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Speaker 1: humanitarian aid, it's wildly, wildly insufficient to deal with this

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Speaker 1: increase in malnourishment, in hunger, absolute starvation. And you know,

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Speaker 1: moving to the south, an invasion of Rafa is only

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Speaker 1: going to make the situation worse, and we have some

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Speaker 1: more indications of the humanitarian crisis, in particular facing children.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Catherine Russell is the executive director of the United Nations

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Speaker 1: Children Fund UNISAF, said the war has already taken an

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Speaker 1: unimaginable toll. In a major military operation against the Krowda

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Speaker 1: southern Gaza city would bring catastrophe on top of catastrophe

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Speaker 1: for children. She said, quote, nearly all of the six

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand children now crammed into Rafa are either injured, sick, malnourished, traumatized,

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Speaker 1: or living with disabilities. All of the six hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: kids in Raffa, I mean, you can only imagine what

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Speaker 1: they're going to be dealing with. Injuries, loss of family members,

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Speaker 1: just unbelievable levels of trauma.

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Speaker 4: For the entire rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: That's already been done, and god knows how much worse

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Speaker 1: it's going to get.

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Speaker 2: No, it's very tragic and clearly a major failure of

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Speaker 2: US policy. It could be posturing, possibly to get a

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Speaker 2: cease fire deal, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I think we're probably just at the point where the.

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Speaker 2: Domestic popular I mean, BB's going to put up her

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Speaker 2: shut up moment, and Biden is also really in a

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Speaker 2: put up her shut up moment too. He's basically allowed

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Speaker 2: this to happen. And it does seem like this is

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Speaker 2: the most the most likely scenario given these really military actions,

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Speaker 2: the one hundred thousand people evacuation order, you know, doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem like anything else is possible at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: So, in a very Bob Menendez esque situation, Congressman Henry

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Speaker 1: quay Are, Democrat, probably the most conservative Democrat in the House,

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Speaker 1: has been indicted on foreign corruption charges him and his wife, again,

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Speaker 1: very much like Bob Menendez. Let's put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. This was the press release issued by the DOJ. Headline,

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Speaker 1: here are US Congressman Henry Quayar and his wife charged

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Speaker 1: with briber unlawful foreign influence and money laundering the schemes.

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Speaker 1: I'll read you a little bit of the details here

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Speaker 1: they say. According to court documents, beginning and at least

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Speaker 1: December twenty fourteen and continuing through at least November twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, Kuair and his wife accepted allegedly approximately six

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in bribes from two foreign entities, an

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Speaker 1: oil and gas company wholly owned and controlled by the

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Speaker 1: government of Azerbaijan and a bank headquartered in Mexico City.

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Speaker 1: The bribe payments were allegedly laundered pursued to sham consulting

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Speaker 1: contracts through a series of front companies and middlemen into

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Speaker 1: shell companies owned by the wife, Amelda Kwayar, who performed

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01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: little to no legitimate work under the contracts. In exchange

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Speaker 1: for the bribes paid by the Azerbaijani oil and gas company,

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Speaker 1: Kyerson Quayar allegedly agreed to use his office to influence

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Speaker 1: US foreign policy in favor of Azerbaijan. In exchange for

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Speaker 1: the bribes paid by the Mexican bank, Congerson Quayar allegedly

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Speaker 1: agreed to influence legislative activity and to advise and pressure

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Speaker 1: high ranking US Executive Branch officials regarding measures beneficial to

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Speaker 1: the bank. I won't go through all the charges here,

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Speaker 1: but the potential prison time is quite significant because you know,

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Speaker 1: you not only have these, you know conspiracy to commit

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Speaker 1: briber of a federal official and to have a public

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Speaker 1: official act as an agent of a federal of a

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Speaker 1: foreign principle. You've got bribery, you've got wire fraud, you've

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Speaker 1: got money laundering. I mean, just the money laundering is

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Speaker 1: twenty years in prison on each count, and there are

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Speaker 1: five counts of money laundering. So this is no little

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Speaker 1: upsie slap on the wrist. If he's found guilty, and

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Speaker 1: if his wife is found guilty, you're talking about potentially

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Speaker 1: significant prison sentences. And you know, listen, this is obviously,

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Speaker 1: on its face, an important story. A member of Congress

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Speaker 1: saying charged allegedly taking money from a foreign government, basically

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I'm going to use my position of

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Speaker 1: power here to do your bidding. And Quayar as relatively senior,

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Speaker 1: he was co chair, I think of the Azerbaijani which

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Speaker 1: is apparently a thing in Congress. But also worth recalling

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Speaker 1: that Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party leadership moved heaven

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: and earth to keep this man in office, even though

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Speaker 1: the FBI had already rated his home. So it's not

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01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: like this came out of nowhere. We knew for years

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: that Quaar was being looked at by the FBI, and

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01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: yet we can put this up on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: Quaar was challenged by a progressive Duscus ssnaros very close

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Speaker 1: and hard fought race. Pelosi came out and aggressively supported him, saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm supporting Henry Quaar. He's a valued member of our caucus.

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Speaker 1: The FBI has said he's not under investigation or really,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to take it to choice

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Speaker 1: or something, which is a reference to the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's also not pro choice.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he is pro life.

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Speaker 1: He's like one of the only Democrats left in the

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Speaker 1: House who is conservative on abortion. And he's also like,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's okay. That's one thing. He's also a

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Speaker 1: total corporate seller. I mean, he's pretty conservative across the board,

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Speaker 1: and especially noteworthy given the post stops climate and how

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Speaker 1: important choice has become. It's like the saving grace of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party or their fig leaf or whatever they're

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: holding onto, grasping onto with their fingertips. So she overlooked

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: his anti choice positioning and overlooked the FBI raid which

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Speaker 1: we can put up on the screen C four, which

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: happened back in twenty twenty two. So this was all

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Speaker 1: this was all well known in order to keep this

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Speaker 1: guy in power. So this is back from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two FBI raid on House Democrats Home related to Azerbaijan probe,

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01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: so a lot of this was already known. She stuck

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Speaker 1: by him anyway, and the end result was put C

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Speaker 1: three up on the screen descus Asnaris, his progressive opponent,

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: lost by only some three hundred votes. So there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt that the you know, weighing in of Pelosi and

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: the money that flowed into Quaar et cetera to keep

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01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: him in this position was definitely the reason. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that was a determinative factor in jusice, the snare is failing,

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Speaker 1: and now you've got this dude who's indicted, right, congratulations

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01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: out picking him out.

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Speaker 2: They kicked out George Santos. So now what Honestly the

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: should care. Yeah, they really should. But what we have

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Speaker 2: here is, I mean, some of the again, the details,

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Speaker 2: just to go back, are so Tunish wife was paid

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty grand Congressman emails in Azerbaijani diplomat

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Speaker 2: and says, I'm planning to give this speech on the

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Speaker 2: floor of the House of Representatives. A year later, texts

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Speaker 2: and him to say, is introduced legislation favoring of Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 2: The diplomat replies, you are the best l He fe

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: like he's like a mafia boss or something. Around the

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: same time, he is entering into a series of corrupt

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Speaker 2: deals with a bank in Mexico, and then in March

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Speaker 2: of twenty fifteen, the congressman expresses concerns that the arrangement

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Speaker 2: would be discovered and asks a bank at the ask

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Speaker 2: a bank official to quote create a middleman to disguise

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Speaker 2: the payments. He literally said, quote, we need to find

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: another scheme. The cartoonish corruption some of the people who

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01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: are in power here is just so on itspace you

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: almost don't even want to believe that somebody so so

1457
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: stupid could be elected to Congress so many times from

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01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: two thousand and four. But idiocracy is real life. So

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: these people are just as corrupt, you know, as anybody

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01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 2: would think. He's up there in terms of cartoon level

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: villain as Bob Menendez. And let's see if he pulls

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Speaker 2: his Menendez defense and says that it was his wife's

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Speaker 2: wamp the entire time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I always think of that too. Is he gonna

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01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 4: because what Menandez was.

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Speaker 1: Able to do is his lawyers were able to get

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Speaker 1: his trial separate from his wife.

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Speaker 3: Right because of health issues. I think for his wife's

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Speaker 3: health issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has some sort of a surgery as something

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: was going on with her. I don't really know exactly what,

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: but anyway, they were able to use that to get

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: those trials separated and those cases separated, and then we

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: reported on the fact that he's apparently planning to just

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01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: like throw her under the bus in hopes of getting

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: himself off scott free. So we'll see what happens if

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Speaker 1: Quaar follows a similar path year. But I mean, you

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Speaker 1: probably know more about this district soccer than I do

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: since it's in Texas, But this is there's one that

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: it's not a gimmy for Democrats if he's out to

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: be able to hold onto because you guys know the

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: way that Latinos have been, especially Latino men, have been

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: increasingly identifying with the Republican Party moving to the right.

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01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: I think this part of Texas is, you know, one

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01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: of the hotbeds of that type of party switching. So

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: the fact that he is, you know, facing these these

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01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: bribery charges could really be significant, especially given the type

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: margin in the house and how you know closely fought

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: all of this is so this could end up being

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Speaker 1: really significant politically in terms of control of the House.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this is the Texas twenty eighth district. And

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: the thing about the twenty eighth district of where he

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: is is that he is very popular there. But it

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: did have some of those large swings towards Republicans back

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, so very likely that it could happen.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't. I mean, it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: This is the congressman who represents like Nuevo Laredo, which

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Speaker 2: is across from Laredo and in Mexico. And it's not

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: much of a surprise. It's like, oh, you're telling me

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Speaker 2: the guy who's on the cartel district is involved with

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 2: banks in Mexico. It's like shocking, and it's deeply corrupt.

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01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: This has long been known about Henry Quay. Are people

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: who have been whispering it for years in Texas. This

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: is just a confirmation. This happened again. This happened in

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, So there's been whisperings about him

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: for quite a long time. But that's part of the

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: reason why the Democratic establishment has always tried to save

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: him is he backs them up basically on everything. The

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01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: reason that Pelosi loves him is that, yeah, even though

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Speaker 2: he's pro life like he is, you know, a reliable vote,

1511
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: reliable fundraiser, knows a lot of oil guys, been around

1512
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: there for a long time, and they think he's like

1513
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: a checkbox in terms of diversity too. So he's a

1514
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: long time enforcer for the Democratic establishment.

1515
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, it's it's one thing, listen,

1516
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes voters are complex. Sometimes they're like, hey, he's a

1517
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,879
Speaker 1: little corrupt, but you know he's delivering for our district.

1518
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 4: We still like the guy.

1519
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 3: Right, quite common down where he is.

1520
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: It's quite common in all kinds of places to be

1521
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: honest with you where you're like, ah, but I know,

1522
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: and now what are you going to do?

1523
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 9: Right?

1524
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: Wasn't the case though, is Bob Menendez the minute those

1525
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: charges came out, plumited in the polls. But the fact

1526
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,879
Speaker 1: that he narrowly won his Democratic primary I think indicates

1527
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't really the case with him in this district.

1528
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a you know, challenger coming

1529
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: in coming within three hundred votes and it's taking the

1530
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: Democratic leadership, you know, moving heaven and earth in order

1531
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: to keep your grip on that seat. I think that

1532
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: tells you that there wasn't like an overwhelming love for

1533
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: this individual in this district at this point in time.

1534
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that these revelation of these charges

1535
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: they are going to help his political standing or the

1536
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: political standing of the Democrats. So congratulation, guys, well done here,

1537
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: good point.

1538
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 4: All right, guys.

1539
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: So originally we had planned to have a little lab

1540
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: grown meat debate, but we've been talking too much, so

1541
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: we're going to put that in the show tomorrow. You

1542
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: can look forward to that, and we're going to go

1543
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: ahead and move on to the doings of one Christi

1544
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: Nome Sagar.

1545
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: That's right.

1546
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: Our eye are bigger than our stomachs whenever it came

1547
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: to the meat segment. Let's go ahead and start with Chirstynome.

1548
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to transition to this. I've

1549
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: seen somebody implode. They're already a middling career, faster than Kirsty. No,

1550
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: but she's definitely trying as hard as anybody can. Here

1551
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 2: she is on CBS News Face the Nation, getting exposed

1552
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: for claiming in her book that she then wrote and

1553
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: read in an audiobook that she had met with North

1554
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 2: Korean leader Kim Jong un, even though that literally never happened.

1555
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 3: Let's take a.

1556
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 18: Listen talk about meeting some world leaders and one specific

1557
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 18: one quote. I remember when I met with North Korean

1558
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 18: dictator Kim Jung un. I'm sure he underestimated me, having

1559
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 18: no clue about my experience staring down little tyrants. I've

1560
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 18: been a children's pastor, after all, did you meet Kim

1561
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 18: Jong un?

1562
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 7: Well, you know, as soon as this was brought to

1563
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 7: my attention, I certainly made some changes and looked at

1564
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,959
Speaker 7: this passage, and I've met with many, many world leaders.

1565
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 19: I've traveled around the world.

1566
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 7: As soon as it was to my attention, we went

1567
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 7: forward and have made some edits. So I'm glad that

1568
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 7: this book is being released in a couple of days

1569
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 7: and that those edits will be in place, and that

1570
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 7: people will will have the updated version.

1571
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 18: So you did not meet with Kim Jong un, that's

1572
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 18: what you're saying.

1573
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 7: No, I met with many, many world leaders, many world leaders.

1574
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 19: I've traveled around the world.

1575
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 7: I think I've talked extensively in this book about my

1576
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 7: time serving in Congress, my time as governor before governor,

1577
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 7: some of the travels that I've had I'm not going

1578
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 7: to talk about my specific meetings with world leaders.

1579
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 19: I'm just not going to do that.

1580
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: As soon it was brought to my attention when I

1581
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 2: read the audio book.

1582
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 3: She read the audiobook, so, bitch, you didn't read it.

1583
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 2: You obviously didn't read or write your own book. And

1584
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: to a certain excise, I sympathize you, know you were

1585
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: not well. No, you and I had to read off

1586
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: teleprompters before, right, and you kind of lose it. You

1587
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: don't even know really what you're saying. But it's like

1588
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: you clearly you didn't read your own book, like you

1589
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: did not write this book. I hope there's a ghost

1590
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: ride credit on there, because that person deserves all the

1591
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: money there is. Now the book company has put out

1592
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 2: a statement being like, we've decided to remove this relevant

1593
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: passage at the request of Governor. No, but what an

1594
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: insane situation. She won't even stay straight up. I met

1595
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: with many world leaders, yeah, but not with Kim Jong now.

1596
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: And then I like how she gets on our high

1597
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: horse and she's like, I'm just I'm not going to

1598
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: talk about my meetings with world leaders. I'm just I'm

1599
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: just like it was in your book. It was in

1600
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: your book. I mean, I just this is one of these.

1601
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: It was sort of like when we were talking about

1602
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: George Santo's. Yeah, like it just doesn't make sense to

1603
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: be what did you think you were really going to

1604
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: gain from lying about this? Because if it had been true,

1605
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: no one would have even noticed this passage on the book.

1606
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: By the way, no one would have even noticed this

1607
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: book even existed if you hadn't bragged about murdering a

1608
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: puppy and a goat.

1609
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 4: Okay to that. So, yeah, so that's step number one.

1610
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: But like, that's what makes it feel pathological is when

1611
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: you lie about something where there's really no reason to

1612
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: lie about it. There's nothing to be gay from lying

1613
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: about it, and then on top of that, it's very

1614
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: easy to find out that you are lying about it.

1615
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 4: So what are we doing here?

1616
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: And okay, so there's I guess a few possibilities. She

1617
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: lied to the ghostwriter, the ghostwriter puts it in, the

1618
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: ghostwriter misunderstood something, it gets put in. But to your point,

1619
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: if okay, if you read the audio book and you

1620
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: knew this was in here, you can't just make up

1621
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: a meeting with Kim Jong wun that didn't happen. You

1622
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: have to put on the brakes, say this, we got guys,

1623
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: we got a crisis. We got to change this. I

1624
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: don't know why they thought this happened. It didn't happen,

1625
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: and you change it.

1626
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 4: I don't know it.

1627
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: Just like I said, it almost feels pathological. It makes

1628
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: me call into question whether the puppy story was actually true,

1629
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: or whether she's so psychotic that she thought bragging about

1630
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: murdering a puppy would like be good for her brand

1631
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: or something. It just you can't obviously, if you're going

1632
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: to make up something like this that is so weird

1633
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: and so inconsequential ultimately in terms of how people perceive you,

1634
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: nothing for you to.

1635
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 4: Lie about it is really off the table.

1636
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: As we well, when she's sticking with a dog story,

1637
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: not only saying that she killed her own dog, whether

1638
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: she would have killed President Biden's dog, let's take a

1639
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: listen to that.

1640
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 18: You talk multiple times about it. In fact, at the

1641
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 18: end of the book you say the very first thing

1642
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 18: you would do if you got to the White House

1643
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 18: that was different from Joe Biden is you'd make sure

1644
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 18: Joe Biden's dog was nowhere on the grounds. Commander say

1645
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 18: hello to cricket. Are you doing this to try to

1646
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 18: look tough? Do you still think that you have a

1647
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 18: shot at being a VP?

1648
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: Well?

1649
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 7: Number one, Joe Biden's dog has attacked twenty four Secret

1650
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 7: Service people? So how many people is enough people to

1651
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 7: be attacked and dangerously hurt before you make a decision

1652
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 7: on a dog?

1653
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 19: And what he's not living at the house.

1654
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 7: That's the question that the president should be held accountable to.

1655
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 7: You're saying he should be sure that the president should

1656
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 7: be accountable to is what is?

1657
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 19: What is the number?

1658
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, she is saying he should be shot.

1659
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: That's wild, just defending murdering this goat murdering dog and

1660
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 2: how she wants to kill Bidens dog.

1661
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: This is quite political blit. Like you remember how Emily

1662
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: tweeted like she's got a double down, Yeah you got

1663
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 1: him kill another puppy. This is like the political equivalent

1664
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: of this. She's like, what other dogs can I mark

1665
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: for murder? And listen, I'm flat the handling of commander

1666
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: at the White We covered it like it was the

1667
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: dog rageous completely. I didn't imagine this situation for this

1668
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: dog was incredibly stressful. They should have removed him from

1669
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: the White House immediately, and this was clearly not a

1670
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: good situation for the dog. Okay, Biden has all the

1671
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: resources in the world to put the dog in a

1672
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: better situation that's going to be better for the dog,

1673
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: and make sure also, yes, that the people around the

1674
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: dog are now safe and not in danger.

1675
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 4: That, like you said, that's on Biden.

1676
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: But for you to now be like you know, making

1677
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: life or deaf decisions about other people's dogs and pets

1678
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: as well, I don't know.

1679
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 3: But this lady away from my pets, man, I don't

1680
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 3: even know. This is wild stuff. Just like out there

1681
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 3: by the way I talked to him.

1682
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: I've never seen someone flub like an Ana Dyne politician

1683
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: books as astonishingly as this lady.

1684
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,799
Speaker 2: Most of these books are just like you know, paper

1685
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: mill fodder. They end up in you know, those little

1686
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: free libraries. That's where I go and stick on my

1687
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: political books.

1688
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: Give them an excuse to like, you know, get booked

1689
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: on a show and talk a adulo book tour. Gives

1690
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: them excuses and wait for them to like you know,

1691
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: make some speaking money or whatever. But there's never anything

1692
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 1: that's actually interesting or controversial, as the whole point of

1693
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: these books is for them to be a Santadeyna's possible.

1694
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: That's a good point. We never we don't talk enough

1695
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 3: about that.

1696
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: Politicians have a book exception where they're allowed to have

1697
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: speaking fees and to accept book royalties. One of the

1698
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: ways that politicians become millionaires and do a workaround while

1699
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: being elected is through books.

1700
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 3: So we should close the book loophole.

1701
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think you should be able to

1702
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: profit like millions and million take speaking fees for some

1703
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 2: bs book talk, you know, while you're out there shilling,

1704
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: but separate conversation. Clearly what she intended. Hopefully this thing

1705
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 2: doesn't sell all that well because she doesn't deserve it.

1706
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you think she's still a possible Trump VP pick

1707
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: or do I never thought she really? I thought she was.

1708
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: I did think she was. But to me, probably the

1709
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: biggest problem for her was the thing that was reported

1710
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: previously about how he's looking at any governor from a

1711
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: state that has like a heartbeat bill or like really

1712
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: extreme abortion laws is like, I don't want that person

1713
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: on my ticket. To me, that's probably the biggest problem

1714
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: for her. I can't imagine Trump being like too upset

1715
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: about oh you made up some Kim Jaron thing.

1716
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: Well, he also hates dogs, So apparently Trump famously hates dogs.

1717
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: He didn't even like being Remember that dog that like

1718
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 2: bit altback Daddy. He didn't even want to be around it,

1719
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: Like at the White House. They had to convince him

1720
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: to bring the Really, yeah, I know, they had to

1721
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 2: convince them to bring the dog that bit back Daddy

1722
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: to the White House. He like barely, he was like

1723
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: very far away from it. Famously does not does not

1724
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 2: like dogs. There was some speculation that maybe she was

1725
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: trying to brag about killing a dog to endear herself

1726
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: to Trump. You know, I mean, think about how he

1727
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: always talks to me. He's like, like a dog, Get

1728
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: the sky out of here.

1729
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: That's true.

1730
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 2: That's true in the rhetoric, Crystal, what do you take

1731
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 2: a look at?

1732
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Speaker 8: Wow? I wonder if you would give a your view

1733
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 8: of the state of the American society and where it's heading. Well,

1734
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 8: that would require rather extended answer. Briefly, this country is

1735
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 8: not headed for revolution. The very fact that we do

1736
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 8: have the safety valves of the right to dissent, The

1737
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 8: very fact that the President of the United States asked

1738
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 8: the District Commissioners to waive their rule for thirty days

1739
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,480
Speaker 8: notice for a demonstration, and also asked that that demonstration

1740
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 8: occurred not just around the Washington Monument, but on the

1741
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 8: Ellipse where I could hear it, and you can hear

1742
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 8: it pretty well from there. I can assure you that

1743
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 8: fact is an indication that when you have that kind

1744
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 8: of safety valve, you're not going to have revolution, which

1745
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,919
Speaker 8: comes from repression. Now, the second point, with regard to repression,

1746
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 8: that is nonsense. In my opinion, I do not see

1747
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 8: that the critics of my policies, our policies are repressed.

1748
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 8: I note from reading the press, from listening to television,

1749
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 8: that criticism is very vigorous, sometimes quite personal. It has

1750
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 8: every right to be. I had no complaints about it.

1751
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: That was President Richard Nixon responding to questions about the

1752
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: state of American society in the immediate aftermath of the

1753
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: Kent State massacre, in which National guardsmen opened fire on

1754
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: student protesters in Ohio, killing four and wounding another nine.

1755
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: That seminole American tragedy happened on May fourth, nineteen seventy.

1756
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: That's almost exactly fifty four years ago, and the events

1757
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: around in Kent State have frankly never felt more relevant.

1758
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: In fact, we're learning how close Columbia came to being

1759
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: another Kent State. The NYPD has now confirmed that one

1760
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: of their officers fired a gun while clearing students who

1761
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: had occupied Hamilton Hall.

1762
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 4: How the hell did we get here?

1763
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: Clearly we never learned the lessons of Kent State, because

1764
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: while thank god, no students have yet been killed in

1765
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: the crackdown on their protests against America's Warren Gaza, they're

1766
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: nonetheless eerie echoes of the national political climate, the media,

1767
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: gas lighting, official lies and intolerance of dissent that characterized

1768
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Now, with the luxury of time and distance

1769
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: from the events, and national consensus is formed around.

1770
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 4: What happened at Kent State that day.

1771
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: It stands as a national cautionary tale of what happens

1772
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: when the overwhelming violence of state power is used to

1773
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: crack down on young protesters, a horrifying, militarized response in

1774
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: which the guns of the government were turned on our

1775
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: own children, A chilling tragedy to never be repeated. But

1776
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: the first thing to know about Ken State is that

1777
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: at the time, it was not remotely seen that.

1778
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 4: Way by the public.

1779
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: Publishers of the Gallup Poll asked respondents at that time

1780
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: who they thought was most responsible for the student deaths

1781
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: at Kent State. In the immediate aftermath of those killings.

1782
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: Only eleven percent blamed the National Guard. A majority fifty

1783
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,919
Speaker 1: eight percent blamed the students themselves, and the remainder expressed

1784
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: no opinion. It seems incredible, doesn't it. How did so

1785
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: few blame the ones with the guns that did the

1786
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: kill it? But if you look back at the media

1787
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: coverage from the time, you can see exactly how it

1788
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: all happened. Here's an opinion column from the time explaining

1789
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: why really the students brought this all on themselves? After

1790
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: first blaming drugs for campus unrest and echo of the

1791
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: outside agitator's narrative that is being used now to paint

1792
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 1: campus protests as super scary and dangerous, this columnist wrote, quote, Certainly,

1793
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: if there had been no disorders on the campus, there

1794
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: would have been no necessity to call on the National Guard.

1795
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: So the sequence of events made it possible for the

1796
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: tragedy to happen. Maybe students themselves will discover they can

1797
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: better advance their cause if they publicize their protests by

1798
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: writing to their senators and representatives in the president of

1799
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: the United States, or by making their views known in

1800
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: the press. In the long run, this can accomplish more

1801
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: than demonstrations with reliance on disorders and tragic events to

1802
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: call attention to their.

1803
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 4: Point of view.

1804
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Now, I can't read these words without thinking of mourning.

1805
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: Josmiker Brazinski recently saying something that was actually quite similar.

1806
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Why can't these kids lodge their descent in a more

1807
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: decorous and less disrupt good fashionable Richard.

1808
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 20: To your point, I think that's where we've all that's

1809
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 20: the place we've all been sitting in watching this, going

1810
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 20: what the hell is going on? What are these universities doing?

1811
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 20: Why aren't they doing something? And I'll echo the horror

1812
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 20: that this does look like January sixth, what a terrible

1813
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 20: example for our students. At the same time, these are

1814
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,879
Speaker 20: young adults, and the question is why do you choose

1815
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,839
Speaker 20: to learn about the complexities of other situations around the world.

1816
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 20: But this one you want to set up an encampment.

1817
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 20: This one you want to scare people. This one you

1818
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 20: want to come to the edge of violence, or even

1819
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 20: go to violence. This one you live your future and

1820
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 20: your education for see.

1821
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 19: I think these college.

1822
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 20: Students obviously are missing the part where they need to

1823
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 20: see what's going on across the country with these protests,

1824
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 20: that it's now in the realm of violence, it's in

1825
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 20: the realm of hatred, whether some are peaceful or not.

1826
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 20: They need to watch the news and look at all

1827
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 20: the different arguments and be adults, or start learning to

1828
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 20: be adults and set up discussions and debates across college

1829
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 20: campuses or their colleges or universities are going to have

1830
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 20: no choice but to expel them and ruin their future

1831
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 20: the impact they want to have on the community, society,

1832
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 20: and the world at some point now.

1833
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: A variation of this argument can also be found in

1834
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal columnists Peggy Nunan's horror that student protesters

1835
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to engage with her as she planned her

1836
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: next columns smearing them. She even compared them negatively with

1837
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: the Vietnam era protesters like those at Kent State nowonon

1838
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: rights quote, the Vietnam demonstrations came to a country at

1839
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: relative peace with itself.

1840
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 4: And said wake up.

1841
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: The Hummas demonstrations come to a country that hasn't been

1842
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: at peace with itself.

1843
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 4: In a long time, it.

1844
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Watched and thought more jarring hell from kids with blood

1845
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: in their eyes making demands. The people of my liberal

1846
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: left town were relieved to see the NYPD come in,

1847
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: drag the protesters away, restore order, and let peace will

1848
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: clean things up.

1849
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 4: Now.

1850
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: It's sort of hilarious to hear this rewriting of history.

1851
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventies America would have likely been very surprised to

1852
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: hear that they were at peace with themselves during this

1853
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: famously tumultuous time, And the fact that Peggy Noonan's wealthy

1854
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: white neighbors are cheering the crackdown is no surprise or

1855
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: historical anomaly. When this demographic was pulled in the Civil

1856
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: Rights era, they were against lunch counter sitens, They sided

1857
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 1: with the National Guard that had just murdered unarmed college kids.

1858
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: They rejected the college protests against apartheid South Africa, and

1859
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 1: they smeared as anti American the Iraq War protesters. These

1860
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: are the white moderates that doctor M. L. K. Junior

1861
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: famously wrote about as the biggest obstacles to progress during

1862
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights era in his Letter from Birmingham Jail.

1863
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: He wrote in April of nineteen sixty three quote. I

1864
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great

1865
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: stumbling block and his strive towards freedom is not the

1866
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: white Citizens Counselor or the KKK, but the white moderate,

1867
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: who is more devoted to order than to justice, who

1868
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension,

1869
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: to a positive peace, which is the presence of justice,

1870
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: who constantly says, I agree with you and the goal

1871
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of

1872
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 1: direct action, who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable

1873
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 1: for another man's freedom, who lives by a mythical concept

1874
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: of time, and who constantly advises the Negro to wait

1875
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: for a more convenient season. Shallow understanding from people of

1876
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of

1877
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,879
Speaker 1: ill will. This is King basically describing the nineteen sixties

1878
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: iterations of Noonan, Brazinski and their well healed moderate social circles.

1879
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Noonan joins with other media and political elites and gas

1880
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: lighting on history. In another way, though, too, the anti

1881
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: genocide protests of today are vastly more peaceful than the

1882
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Vietnam era protests At Kent State. The days leading up

1883
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: to the May fourth massacre included significant property damage, including

1884
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: breaking of shop windows and the burning of the university's

1885
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: ROTC building to the ground. Here In twenty twenty four,

1886
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: a new report just found that ninety nine percent of

1887
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: anti war protests have been entirely peaceful. The New York

1888
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: Times the La Times both reported that the one protest

1889
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: that did have significant actual violence was wholly one sided

1890
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: pro Israel counter protesters backed by billionaire Bill Ackman, assaulted

1891
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: peaceful anti war protesters as cops stood by and watched

1892
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,480
Speaker 1: for hours. No word from Peggy noon In on this disorder.

1893
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: She's too busy recovering from the silent menace of students

1894
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,440
Speaker 1: wearing masks and refusing to take the bait on her provocations.

1895
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: The truth is that these student protesters have been far

1896
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: more disciplined and far more intentional in their non violence

1897
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 1: and strategic in their messaging than those in the Vietnam

1898
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: War era. It hasn't stopped them, though, from being demonized

1899
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 1: in similar ways to the college protesters of the sixties

1900
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: and seventies. In fact, Richard Nixon famously called college protesters

1901
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: quote bums two days before Ohio National guardsmen took matters

1902
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: into their own hands to murder these people, to president

1903
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: of the United States had casually derided. On May second,

1904
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: Nixon said, quote, see these bumps, you know, blowing up

1905
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: the campuses. Listen, the boys that are on the college

1906
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 1: campuses today are the luckiest people in the world, going

1907
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: to the greatest universities, and here they are burning up

1908
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: the books, storming around about this issue.

1909
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 4: You name it.

1910
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: Get rid of the war, there will be another one.

1911
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: How much does that sound like the discourse today from

1912
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: Date Silver or Bill Maher about these privileged, narcissistic college

1913
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: kids today. They're so coddled, so self indulgent. They're out

1914
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: there protesting just to be cool and make friends. In

1915
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 1: other words, just a bunch of bums. And in the

1916
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: same waynx in rhetorically greenlit attacks on college students, Biden

1917
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: rhetorically gave the go ahead for violent crackdowns of today's

1918
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: student protesters, only what he called them was frankly worse

1919
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: than bumps. Biden smear protesters as violent anti semites, providing

1920
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: the intellectual rationale for a police response that has been

1921
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: seen nonviolent protesters seriously injured by rubber bullets, has seen

1922
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: live AMMO fired during the arrest of students whose most

1923
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: serious crime was breaking a window, and elderly professors assaulted

1924
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: as they at attempt in vain to protect their students

1925
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: in another eerie echo of history.

1926
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 4: Part of why public.

1927
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Sentiment in nineteen seventy was so overwhelmingly on the side

1928
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: of the National Guard was because of official lies echoed

1929
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: and furthered by the media, which framed the protesters directly

1930
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: as the instigators. Now we remember the famous photos of

1931
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: kids in horror and shock at their classmates being gunned down.

1932
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: But here's the New York Times ride up of the

1933
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,919
Speaker 1: slaughter the very next day. In it, they give credence

1934
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: to the National Guard lie that a mysterious sniper had

1935
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: fired on them. First quote in Columbus. Sylvester del Corso,

1936
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: the Adjutant General of the Ohio National Guard, said in

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Speaker 1: a statement that the guardsmen had been forced to shoot

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Speaker 1: after a sniper open fire against the troops from a

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Speaker 1: nearby rooftop and the crowd began to move to encircle

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Speaker 1: the guardsmen. This was completely false on every level. There

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Speaker 1: was no sniper, there was no encirclement. The worst that

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Speaker 1: students had done that day was to throw rocks now here.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, how many lives and hoaxes have

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Speaker 1: we seen spread by a credulous and complicit media. From

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Speaker 1: the student provocateur who lied and said she was stabbed

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Speaker 1: in the eye, to the insistence that rally chants are

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Speaker 1: actually genocidal, to the claims that a run of the

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Speaker 1: mill bikelock was a tool of professional agitators, to the

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Speaker 1: presentation of a college textbook about terrorism as proof that students.

1950
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Speaker 4: Are actually terrorists.

1951
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Speaker 1: These lies have fomented the most insane media analysis I

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Speaker 1: have ever seen, in which college students are being framed

1953
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Speaker 1: as literal Nazis by supposedly neutral CNN News anchored Dana

1954
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Speaker 1: bash In a near copy of the rhetoric of actual

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Speaker 1: genicidal Nazi Benjamin net Yahoo. But history has largely forgotten

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Speaker 1: these media lies. The public bloodluss, the controversial radical tactics

1957
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Speaker 1: deployed by anti Vietnam protests, all has largely collapsed down

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Speaker 1: to one big takeaway about the actual conflict itself. The

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01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: kids were right and the government was wrong. So it

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Speaker 1: is with Vietnam, South Africa, with the Iraq War, civil

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Speaker 1: rights eras remembered not only for this basic moral story,

1962
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Speaker 1: but for the disruptive tactics themselves that had been upheld

1963
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Speaker 1: as a model of successful non violence, from blocking traffic

1964
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Speaker 1: by marching across the Edmund Pettis Bridge to John Lewis's

1965
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Speaker 1: famous exhortation to get in quote good trouble now. History

1966
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Speaker 1: doesn't provide answers on whether these student protesters will achieve

1967
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Speaker 1: their goals. The Iraq War campus protesters of my college

1968
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Speaker 1: years failed. We invaded a rock on false pretenses. We

1969
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Speaker 1: still haven't completely left. The Occupy Wall Street protesters similarly failed.

1970
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Speaker 1: The banks were not broken up, bankers were not jailed.

1971
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Speaker 1: Our politicians are still bought and paid for. The protesters

1972
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Speaker 1: against South African apartheid, they succeeded as part of a

1973
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Speaker 1: global movement and internal struggle against that racist regime. The

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Speaker 1: Civil Rights era protesters, of course, succeeded in large part,

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Speaker 1: although the murder of MLK Junior stifled the progress on

1976
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Speaker 1: further demands for economic justice. The Vietnam War protesters eventually

1977
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: succeeded took many years of horror, though before that, bloody

1978
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: insanity was ultimately brought to an end. So to these protesters.

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Speaker 1: A few things do seem guaranteed. First of all, you'll

1980
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Speaker 1: be smeared, You'll be vilified in real time. We see

1981
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: it now, you'll be judged correct by history. And in

1982
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: the meantime you are making Palestinians and Gaza feel seen

1983
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Speaker 1: and making American politicians squirm. The ultimate outcome, it's unfortunately

1984
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Speaker 1: not in your control and not in mind. One more thing, though,

1985
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: is guaranteed. Twenty years from now, when we do know

1986
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: how this chapter of American history ends, you will know

1987
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Speaker 1: that even when it was difficult, when it was risky,

1988
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Speaker 1: when the personal stakes were real, you had sufficient backbone

1989
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Speaker 1: and morality to stand for what is right. And I

1990
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Speaker 1: would dare say that counts for more than what Peggy

1991
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Speaker 1: Noonan's neighbors might think about your descent.

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Speaker 4: The Kent State was thing was interesting and.

1993
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Speaker 2: If you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 1: So a massive scandal has been revealed, price fixing on

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary level. We can put this up on the

1997
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Speaker 1: screen from Matt Stoler. He is helping to expose that

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Speaker 1: there was an oil price fixing conspiracy that caused some

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Speaker 1: twenty seven percent of all inflation increases in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: This is at his newsletter, which is called Big and

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Speaker 1: Matt Stolar joins us now. He also works at the

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Speaker 1: American Economic Liberties Project and as a partner here at

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Speaker 1: Breaking Points.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you, sir, Good to see man.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So actually, let's put that chart back up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: and while we have that up, explain what we're looking

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Speaker 1: at and explain what the hell happened here.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, So that chart is what happened in twenty

2010
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Speaker 5: twenty one. When the rebound from COVID was an explosion

2011
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Speaker 5: of corporate profits, it was also an explosion of inflation

2012
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Speaker 5: and corporate profits. That increase in corporate profits about seven

2013
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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollars, and that was responsible for about sixty

2014
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Speaker 5: percent of the inflationary increases above normal. So you know,

2015
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Speaker 5: there's always a little bit of inflation, but like the

2016
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Speaker 5: extreme amount of inflation that new stuff, sixty percent of

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Speaker 5: it is corporate profits.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And so that's what that chart suggests, that's or shows.

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Speaker 5: That's that's a chart that I published in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: And then of that and what this is what was

2022
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Speaker 5: just revealed about two hundred billion dollars, yes guesstimate, we

2023
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Speaker 5: don't know exactly, is just one conspiracy of price fixing

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Speaker 5: in the oil industry.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So that's a little over a quarter of that increase

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Speaker 5: was from one price fixing conspiracy in the oil industry.

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Speaker 5: And this is like the reason it matters from like

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Speaker 5: a macro standpoint, because remember all the debate over green

2030
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Speaker 5: inflation and you know economy thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know. And as it turns out, there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of reasons to think that that consolidation and price fixing

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Speaker 5: is really what's driving a lot of the price increases.

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Speaker 5: But to have just one alleged conspiracy, I should say

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Speaker 5: alleged alleged conspiracy drives so much of it is kind

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Speaker 5: of overwhelming and interesting.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 2: And so what you write about is that this has

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Speaker 2: been released from evidence by the ft see, which was

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Speaker 2: banning the Pioneer CEO of being on the board of

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Speaker 2: Exon in a merder. So can you explain the evidence

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Speaker 2: that we was released in some of this case?

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Speaker 5: Sure? So the gist of what happened is, you know,

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Speaker 5: in the oil industry you have Opek, right, which is

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Speaker 5: the organization of petroleum exporting countries. It's a global cartel

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Speaker 5: run by Saudi Arabia, and they control roughly fifty percent

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Speaker 5: of the global oil reserves and the price of oil. Well,

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Speaker 5: what happened is in the US in the mid two

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Speaker 5: thousands is the discovery of a new technique for getting oil,

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Speaker 5: which is, you know, shale drilling, fracking, and the fracking

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Speaker 5: is kind of you can spin up a well pretty quickly,

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Speaker 5: so it's as close to oil on demand as we have.

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Speaker 5: And what that means is that it kind of broke

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Speaker 5: the leadership of OPEK, because Saudi Arabia controls OPEK by

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Speaker 5: flooding the market with oil. If anybody produces more than

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Speaker 5: they should, well, all of a sudden, you have these

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Speaker 5: shale producers in the US who can do the same thing.

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Speaker 5: When there are oil spikes or oil oil declines, they

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Speaker 5: can increase or reduced production. And that broke the cartel.

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Speaker 5: And so from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen you had

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Speaker 5: this vicious price war, and oil was around forty to

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Speaker 5: sixty dollars a barrel. The shale oil producers in the

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Speaker 5: US and OPEK got tired of a low price now

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Speaker 5: here's what's important. OPEK is a cartel, which ordinarily would

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Speaker 5: be illegal, but because it's foreign governments that the law

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Speaker 5: doesn't apply to governments. It only applies to firms. However,

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Speaker 5: US shale producers are corporations and so antitrust price fixing

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Speaker 5: law does apply to them, so they're not allowed to

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Speaker 5: collude with OPEK even if they wanted to, but that

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Speaker 5: didn't stop them. So the theory, and this is from

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Speaker 5: a class action firm, and I wrote about this a

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Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, and then this is that the

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Speaker 5: evidence is the FTC came out with confirmed. This theory

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Speaker 5: is that in starting in twenty seventeen, the shale producers

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Speaker 5: and OPEK started getting together at these dinners in Texas

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Speaker 5: and then through multiple communications saying you know what, we're

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Speaker 5: not so different. You and I, let's collaborate on and

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Speaker 5: share information on investment, on drilling, on plans, maybe pricing

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Speaker 5: and investment which is really the key to oil production

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Speaker 5: started going down, and you know, the price went up

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Speaker 5: a little bit, and starting in twenty seventeen to twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, but it was it really didn't change that much.

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Speaker 5: But in twenty twenty one, when oil just skyrocketed because

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Speaker 5: of the post COVID restraints were lifted. You would think

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01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 5: that the oil producers would say, hey, this is a

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01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 5: great opportunity to take market share, prices are really high.

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Speaker 5: But they were all like no, and they were public

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Speaker 5: They were like, we are absolutely not investing anyone who invests.

2089
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Speaker 5: Were going to punish, and so the price skyrocketed. And

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Speaker 5: you might remember there was a lot of fights, public

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Speaker 5: spats between the Biden administration and the oil producers in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one twenty twenty two about the price of

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Speaker 5: oil and they were like, oh, you're not letting us

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Speaker 5: drill enough on public land or whatever.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 5: Well, as it turns out what the FTC just released

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Speaker 5: in there were a bunch of these shell producers wanted

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Speaker 5: to merge, and so the FTC did a lot of investigation,

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Speaker 5: and that means you look through emails, you look through

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Speaker 5: text messages of executives and whatnot. And what they found

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Speaker 5: is that the CEO of one of the big big

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Speaker 5: shell producers, which is Pioneer, was sending hundreds of WhatsApp

2103
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Speaker 5: messages and emails and text messages to OPEC officials and

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Speaker 5: colluding on on our coordinating on investment on drilling potentially pricing.

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Speaker 5: A lot of the complaint is redacted unfortunately, so we

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Speaker 5: can't see the details. But he has public statements where

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Speaker 5: he says that they're doing this and at a certain

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Speaker 5: point he's like, you know, I think that about in

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Speaker 5: about ninety days, opek is going to make a surprise cut.

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Speaker 5: And then eighty seven days later they did.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Right, And so it's this guy's name is Scott Sheffield. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: the FTC allowed the Exon to buy Pioneer about sixty

2114
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Speaker 5: billion dollars, but they said Scott Sheffield can't serve on

2115
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Speaker 5: the board and can't be an advisor, and so they

2116
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Speaker 5: banned him from the industry. So big is controversial the

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Speaker 5: fracking industry. They're all like what, I can't believe somebody

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Speaker 5: got punished. And there's a lot of like, you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot of people are very upset that there are

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Speaker 5: allegations of price fixing by the frackers. But that's the story.

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Speaker 1: So I have from your piece some of these text

2122
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Speaker 1: messages you write Pierneer Natural Resources CEO Scott Sheffield, leader

2123
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Speaker 1: in the fracking field, exchanged hundreds of text messages with

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Speaker 1: OPEC representatives and officials discussing crude oil market dynamics, pricing,

2125
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Speaker 1: and output. He was explicit about his goal, saying, quote,

2126
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Speaker 1: if Texas leads the way, maybe we can get OPEC

2127
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Speaker 1: to cut production.

2128
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Speaker 4: Maybe Saudi and Russia will follow.

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Speaker 1: That was our plan, he said, adding I was using

2130
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Speaker 1: the tactics of OPEC plus to get a bigger OPECH

2131
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Speaker 1: plus done. He talked to shareholders publicly throatened rivals ultimately

2132
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Speaker 1: achieved output cuts across the industry regardless of price.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Matt, I remember some of this discord.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it some on the.

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Speaker 1: Show about all these theories of okay, prices are really high,

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Speaker 1: why aren't they.

2137
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Speaker 4: Investing, Why aren't they expanding production?

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Speaker 1: What were the excuses that they were using publicly for

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Speaker 1: why it made the sense for them to keep production

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Speaker 1: low at this point outside of, you know, excuses to

2141
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Speaker 1: avoid the obvious implication that they were colluding.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of funny. So some of the

2143
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Speaker 5: excuses were, oh, those environmentalists, right, they're always cascade annoying.

2144
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Speaker 5: But in many cases they weren't making excuses. They were

2145
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Speaker 5: just saying, we're going to pay our shareholders back, we're

2146
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Speaker 5: going to pay dividends, We're not gonna we're not going

2147
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Speaker 5: to invest Like they weren't making excuses. It was like

2148
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Speaker 5: it was pretty open what they were doing. Some of

2149
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Speaker 5: the quotes from the from the complaints that I relied

2150
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Speaker 5: on were public right where he was like threatened. He

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Speaker 5: was saying, we're going to go to your shareholders and

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Speaker 5: punish you. And so what was really going on is

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Speaker 5: that a lot of economists were saying that it's crazy

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Speaker 5: to assume that there is any sort of games or

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Speaker 5: price fixing going on here, because there's just an increase

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Speaker 5: in demand and that's what happens in commodity markets. Even

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Speaker 5: as the oil CEOs were like, we're literally saying we're

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Speaker 5: not investing, like we're going to be disciplined. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's kind of the whole story with inflation. I don't

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Speaker 5: you know, a significant percentage I think is just price

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Speaker 5: fixing or various forms of price gouging, and CEOs are

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Speaker 5: fairly explicit on investor calls, right they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're all going to be disciplined. We're going to raise prices.

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Speaker 5: We think there's more margin that we can get. You know,

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Speaker 5: they use all these like it's not that subtle, right,

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Speaker 5: They don't say we're going to violate the Sherman Acts

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Speaker 5: Section one, but they're not subtle about it. And it's

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Speaker 5: the economists who come in and say, you're crazy if

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Speaker 5: you think that those CEOs are telling the truth to

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Speaker 5: their investors. It's really weird. It's like a really weird thing.

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Speaker 3: I have it in front of it.

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Speaker 2: I forgot that this was Scott Sheffield who said on

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Speaker 2: camera that they wouldn't even shale and drill more if

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Speaker 2: there was two hundred dollars a barrel. And I remember

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Speaker 2: that because I was like, what, yeah, talking about this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was one of the topics that came up

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Speaker 1: in that Bill maher appearance that I saw, that's right,

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Speaker 1: and I was treated they acted like I was insane

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Speaker 1: for suggesting that this was part of what was going on.

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Speaker 1: So I remember this discourse very clearly, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't make light of me, because this was we're

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Speaker 1: talking how what was the economic impact to like individuals,

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Speaker 1: how much more money was coming out of their pockets,

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Speaker 1: which is not just about what they're paying at the

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Speaker 1: gas pump, but I mean this has massive cascading impacts

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Speaker 1: throughout the economy.

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Speaker 5: Right, Oh, it's just oil.

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Speaker 2: I mean whatever, Right, it's not that important, right in

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Speaker 2: an elastic product, right, you have to buy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that many.

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Speaker 1: Wars have been over and like completely determined geopology.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So Scott Sheffield said that it was about twenty to

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Speaker 5: thirty dollars. The frackers took twenty to thirty dollars a

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Speaker 5: barrel off the price of oil in the last ten years.

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Speaker 5: I just used that number. I said, Okay, it's twenty

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Speaker 5: thirty dollars barrel. I guess it's probably more during spikes, right,

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Speaker 5: that's like, you know, the dynamics are spikes matter more.

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Speaker 5: But if it's twenty to thirty dollars, we consume about

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Speaker 5: seven billion barrels of oily year, So you know that's

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Speaker 5: between five hundred, four hundred to two one thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: per person per year I direct and indirect costs. That's

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Speaker 5: what you pay at the pump, plus all of the things,

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01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 5: like you know, it goes into potato chips, it goes

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Speaker 5: into you know, all everything gets moved on trucks and

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Speaker 5: plastics and YadA, YadA, YadA. So that's a lot of money, right,

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Speaker 5: that's for a family of four, that's between two to

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Speaker 5: four thousand dollars right in twenty twenty per year. Right,

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Speaker 5: And that's just a direct transfer from consumers to and

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Speaker 5: consumers being businesses too.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not just it's not just you know, you

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Speaker 5: and me, it's it's it's firms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, trucking groceries, its input costs.

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Speaker 4: Everyone, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then I think there's also probably this dynamic where

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Speaker 5: the spike in oil kind of kind of revved up

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Speaker 5: the engine and a lot of corporations were like, oh,

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Speaker 5: if they're raising prices, we can raise we So it

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Speaker 5: probably had like a little bit of a cascading effect.

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Speaker 2: Well, we can't forget about the Federal Reserve too, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, the implication for high interest rates was also

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Speaker 2: done in response to something that's a even borrowing cost

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Speaker 2: now or sky high mortgages and everything all because of

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of this, right, And yeah, it's an interesting dynamic with

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Speaker 5: the Federal Reserve because they raised they raised interest rates

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01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 5: because they thought, well, prices are going up because our

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Speaker 5: models tell us that people are asking for higher wages,

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Speaker 5: and they don't have models that look at commodity price hikes.

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Speaker 5: Or price fixing. They just don't have models, and so

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01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 5: they're like, well, of course we're going to have to

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Speaker 5: raise interest rates to throw lots of people out of work.

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Speaker 5: Can you remember Larry Summers, Yeah, who said that allegations

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Speaker 5: of price fixing or antitrust being a fix for inflation,

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Speaker 5: that was he called it science denial, right.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, you remember, called it science.

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Speaker 5: Style, and he said to deal with inflation, we're going

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Speaker 5: to have to have a massive recession, five ten percent unemployment,

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Speaker 5: because that's the way that they think about that's the

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Speaker 5: way economists and macrocondoms to the people that run the

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01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 5: FED think about the economy because it's too difficult to

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01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 5: consider power, and so they're just like, let's just throw

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01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 5: a bunch of people out of work and then people

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Speaker 5: won't have money and that will sort of gradually bring

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01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,719
Speaker 5: down prices instead of and so that's why borrowing costs

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Speaker 5: our way up. That's why the price of oil and

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Speaker 5: these these increases in profits and price fixing convinces the

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Speaker 5: FED to raise borrowing costs. It's insane, it's totally insane.

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Speaker 5: But like, yeah, I mean that we're not the crazy ones. Yeah,

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01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 5: the emperor really has no clothes.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing that I can't wrap my

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Speaker 1: head around. This is a massive scandal. These villains were

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Speaker 1: robbing literally every American, every American, they were robbing all

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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 4: And yet I have yet to see this covered really

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 1: And I don't hear the White House talking about it

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Speaker 1: like I would think for them politically, this is like, look, guys, it.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't our fault.

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Speaker 1: These people were trying to take them and we were

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Speaker 1: trying to tell you it wasn't our environmental regulations or whatever.

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Speaker 4: The deal it was these assholes. So where is that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's in the business press, right, And that's

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Speaker 5: the things that Wall Street Journal wrote, you know FT right,

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Speaker 5: So you know, you know, the trade journals are all

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Speaker 5: over it, you know. So so if you're in the industry,

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01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 5: you know about it. The FTC apparently has has issued

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01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 5: a criminal referral to the DOJ. Right, because this is

2271
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 5: this is crime. And but the but the Biden White House,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Press Secretary was asked about this, this

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01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 5: excell on Pioneer deal and she said no comment, right,

2274
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 5: And it's just kind of like, what, like, what's going on?

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01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 5: You have a massive scandal here, and you know, the

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Speaker 5: I think the Senate Democrats and Republicans. The Republicans are

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01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 5: very into oil, so they're you know, and and particularly

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01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 5: they're into the oil companies, so they're going to be

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01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 5: they want to attack the environmentalists and they they're not

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01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 5: going to do anything about this, or they're gonna look,

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01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 5: they're gonna lie about it. The Democrats, I think, are

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01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 5: kind of like may. They may slowly notice it, and

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01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 5: they may slowly start to make a big deal. I

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01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 5: don't know, but I don't know what motivates these people.

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01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 5: I don't know why they don't talk about this kind

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01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 5: of thing. It makes no sense to me. Everyone is

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01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 5: mad about the price of groceries, about the price of gas,

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01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 5: about the price of rent, about the you know, the

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01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 5: price of f and you have allegations of price fixing

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Speaker 5: and you actually have litigation right the DOJ and FTC

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01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 5: are going after price fixing in meat, in rent, in

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01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 5: a whole series of areas, vegetables, and they don't talk

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01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 5: about it. And it's really weird to me. I don't

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01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 5: get it. It's like, this stuff is really compelling, and

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01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 5: they just like, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I think the public I remember seeing some polling

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Speaker 4: a while ago.

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Speaker 1: Even as they're being gassed by the larious in the

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01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: world and whatever, they really felt like there was something

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01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: nefarious here, like they were directly being price gouged and screwed.

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01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: So it's not like for your average American, this is

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01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 1: a crazy story to tell. Corporate greed is very easy

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01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: to understand, something that everyone has some like personal experience with.

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01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, well said, yeah, no, I mean they were saying

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01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 5: it to investors, right. Everybody seems to know about it

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01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 5: except the economists and the politicians who listen to them.

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01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:57,799
Speaker 5: And so it's really it's like, you know, so Urines,

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01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 5: you get on, you get on Bill Maher, you say, hey,

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01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 5: there's you know, Scott Sheffield is saying that he likes

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01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 5: to steal money, like it's it's nice he likes to

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 5: have that, and everyone's like, you're crazy, right, and but

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01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 5: order everybody knows this is going on, Like this is

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01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 5: not everybody, as you noted, has experienced. We all noticed

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01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 5: that people are getting richer. So like, clearly things get

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01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 5: more expensive and other people get richer. It's like, where's

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01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 5: the money going?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I can't figure it out. It's weird.

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Speaker 2: Actual like people are much smarter than economists. We're running

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Speaker 2: out of time in your map, but we just want

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Speaker 2: to say thank you very much. We appreciate you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Great job, and we'll have a link to the newsletter

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Speaker 2: in the description massive Scandal.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for helping us understand it. Great to see Matt,

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me our pleasure.

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Speaker 3: See you guys later.