Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 1: confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
Speaker 1: your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, February thirteenth, and we are officially seventy
Speaker 2: days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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Speaker 2: getting close to draft time. We've got Tommy yarsh Brian
Speaker 2: brought us Vuch Lombardy with Jasmine Marshall running everything in
Speaker 2: the back of Kyle Yeomans. Glad you're with the Shoutout Jazz.
Speaker 2: Going to do a great job of putting up all
Speaker 2: of the graphics and all the different things along the way,
Speaker 2: filling in for Beemer to day. It's an interesting time now, Brian,
Speaker 2: we've talked about the coaching staff and the waiting moments
Speaker 2: we haven't necessarily addressed now that the staff has been
Speaker 2: placed across the board, sure, so I kind of want
Speaker 2: to hit that early and talk about what type of
Speaker 2: impact will this group have on the NFL Draft if any.
Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't change a whole lot because of the
Speaker 2: system and the accumulative staff that Will McLay has put
Speaker 2: together over time. But what type of moment are we
Speaker 2: in with a coaching change. And then, of course seventy
Speaker 2: eight and seventy guys, which you got to think about
Speaker 2: with when you have a new staff, is you're in
Speaker 2: a situation where the new staff is trying to get
Speaker 2: to know you, and you're trying to get to know
Speaker 2: the staff the new staff.
Speaker 3: So I remember with Bill Parcells when he came in,
Speaker 3: it was about more about, Hey, I'm going to let
Speaker 3: you guys run the draft because I'm trying to learn you.
Speaker 3: Here are the type of players I like. These are
Speaker 3: the guys that I want to work with. Uh, you
Speaker 3: know the you know, you kind of get an idea
Speaker 3: of like how they want to the type of player
Speaker 3: that they want, and talk to some people in the organization.
Speaker 3: They're right now, you know, they were waiting on that
Speaker 3: staff to come together, and now they have an idea
Speaker 3: of who they've got, and now these coaches can tell them, hey,
Speaker 3: this is a type of offensive lineman I want. This
Speaker 3: is a type of defensive tackle. These are the traits
Speaker 3: I need in my cornerback here. So I think that
Speaker 3: everybody has to be, you know, on point with that.
Speaker 3: But the coaches would be really, really, really smart if
Speaker 3: they just allow these scouts to put.
Speaker 2: This board together.
Speaker 3: And it's going to have to come from the top
Speaker 3: with Brian Schottenheimer. He's going to have to say, all right, guys, coaches,
Speaker 3: these guys are going to run it this first year.
Speaker 3: The second year, we'll make some adjustments from there. But
Speaker 3: they're clearly now with the staff whole, they're able to
Speaker 3: situate and figure out the type of player that they need.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about it before on the show, and
Speaker 2: you've you've mentioned how coaches here do have a say,
Speaker 2: and they certainly have throughout the time here. And Will
Speaker 2: McClay and his staff does a great job of compiling
Speaker 2: the boards and putting the prospects on there to have
Speaker 2: the conversation in the first place. But Mike McCarthy, Dan Quinn,
Speaker 2: even Mike Zimmer last year, I mean, guys have been
Speaker 2: known to have their input. Kellen Moore when he was
Speaker 2: here on the draft board. How much do you feel
Speaker 2: like seeing this staff come together with ebra Flus on
Speaker 2: the defensive side, a veteran defensive coordinator who's run some
Speaker 2: drafts in his own right. You've got Clayton Adams, a
Speaker 2: first time offensive coordinator, with a first time head coach,
Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson special teams coordinator with some defensive background. With
Speaker 2: the coordinators put together, how much influence do you think
Speaker 2: they'll have.
Speaker 3: I think they'll have some. And the Joneses always allow
Speaker 3: with the head coach really has the most. But the
Speaker 3: one thing that Will McClay will do is that he
Speaker 3: will get the opinion of the coaches who get the opinions.
Speaker 2: Of the scouts.
Speaker 3: See, Will doesn't understand which one of these coaches can
Speaker 3: really evaluate and see you have to be really really
Speaker 3: careful with that if you put too much stock into
Speaker 3: what a coach says. You know, if this coach is
Speaker 3: one of those guys that's actually going to go and
Speaker 3: do the work, or is he a guy that's going
Speaker 3: to get on the phone and talk to his buddies.
Speaker 3: Is he going to go to workouts and is he
Speaker 3: going to talk to his buddies. Is he going to
Speaker 3: get influenced that way? You have some coaches on the
Speaker 3: staff that have not been in the National Football league.
Speaker 2: You have some collegiate coaches, so it is.
Speaker 3: Going to be very very new and eye opening to
Speaker 3: them as well for how will manages them and how
Speaker 3: they come to the decisions of their players.
Speaker 2: How much have you kind of seen that in your
Speaker 2: own study so far of what this coaching staff's put together.
Speaker 4: Well, I think when you look at the staff, especially
Speaker 4: on the offensive side of the ball, the identity is
Speaker 4: very clear. They want to run the football and that's
Speaker 4: where they're going to start everything offensively is establishing the
Speaker 4: run games that I can open up the passing game.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But when we talked to Dak Prescott the other day,
Speaker 4: he was telling us that, you know, hey, when we
Speaker 4: get to run on the ball, being a little bit
Speaker 4: more consistent. I've always enjoyed play action and that's where
Speaker 4: he's been When Dak Prescott is at his best, it's
Speaker 4: when they're running play action. When you look at his career,
Speaker 4: completed sixty seven percent of his play action passes and
Speaker 4: twenty four yards fifty five touchdowns just thirteen interceptions. So
Speaker 4: being able to get a guy in the I think
Speaker 4: in the first three or so rounds to be a
Speaker 4: play action back for you, you can take the ball, he can,
Speaker 4: you can work off of him in the play action game,
Speaker 4: I think is going to be what's best for this offense.
Speaker 4: I think that's what the Cowboys are tipping their hand
Speaker 4: to now. On the defensive side, with Matt Eberflus, it's
Speaker 4: going to be his zone coverage team. Typically, the linebackers
Speaker 4: and his system are very well and when you got
Speaker 4: a guy like Michael Parsons, they're going to get after
Speaker 4: the quarterback. So it's stuff that all marries very well together.
Speaker 4: But I think that defensive backfield in the secondary is
Speaker 4: going to be something to watch in terms of what
Speaker 4: they go after in this draft, just because there are
Speaker 4: certainly some guys in this class that can fit in
Speaker 4: an eber flu system very well.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that as it all fits together?
Speaker 5: Man, Kyla won't lie to you, Bro, I don't know
Speaker 5: nothing about these coaches. I don't know a thing about them.
Speaker 5: I never heard them.
Speaker 2: I don't Well, then what would you want to see
Speaker 2: if you don't know anything about it?
Speaker 5: What would you want to see? Just just draft wise? Right,
Speaker 5: I'm just watching players players, But just to add to
Speaker 5: what we're saying right now, right, if there's anything that
Speaker 5: I noticed about the Cowboys when they get new coaches
Speaker 5: and they go and get they go and get these
Speaker 5: new you know players, whether it be drafted and all
Speaker 5: this free agents. Do you do you feel like they
Speaker 5: lean towards the defensive coaches more like when when when
Speaker 5: Nolan first got here, right, I was like, man, we've
Speaker 5: signed a lot of defensive guys. We've drafted a lot
Speaker 5: of defensive guys. Saying for Quinn, right, I was like, damn, well,
Speaker 5: Quinn must be the head coach. We've signed and drafted
Speaker 5: everybody for Quinn and you know, offense, get a handful
Speaker 5: of guys here and there. So let me add that
Speaker 5: to the come right, because I ain't got nothing else.
Speaker 5: Because do you think that we're gonna go like in
Speaker 5: that way, like like maybe we'll get the running back,
Speaker 5: maybe we'll you know, go wide receiver, but everything else
Speaker 5: is probably gonna be defense.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be
Speaker 3: Will running this draft. I think it's gonna be Will
Speaker 3: putting this thing together. I think that I think that
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer's gonna do it in that way for him.
Speaker 3: I think that it's gonna be really important for these
Speaker 3: coaches to understand how does this work with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Don't get in the way of that. This team has
Speaker 3: done a nice job of drafting over the years, and
Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with Will McLay
Speaker 3: and the way that he sets the board. So I
Speaker 3: would be if I was a coach on the staff,
Speaker 3: a new coach, I would keep my mouth shut when
Speaker 3: they asked me my opinion. I would give my opinion,
Speaker 3: but I would do my work. I would do my
Speaker 3: homework and make sure that when they do ask me
Speaker 3: a question, I'm prepared. But I would if I was
Speaker 3: a coach on the staff, I would learn as much
Speaker 3: as I could right now about how things work, because
Speaker 3: it is different from anywhere else that these Some of
Speaker 3: these coaches have been in recruiting meetings and things like that,
Speaker 3: so they understand how personnel has talked about. But this
Speaker 3: is a whole different ball of wax for some of
Speaker 3: these guys. And I think it's going to be from
Speaker 3: up top with Brian Schottenheimer. He's going to have to
Speaker 3: set the tone for his coaches and say, listen, hey,
Speaker 3: I've been with these guys, let's trust these scouts. And
Speaker 3: then they will find a way to pick up some players.
Speaker 2: I love the way you outline that because it's a
Speaker 2: chance for all of this to mesh together, and that
Speaker 2: chance starts right now. You don't have to wait until
Speaker 2: the you don't have to wait until Proda's for all
Speaker 2: of that to kind of piece together. So this is
Speaker 2: a really crucial time for this coaching staff. Now when
Speaker 2: you take the elements of the zone defense, let's start
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball. Take the elements of
Speaker 2: the zone defense that you're talking about, and what type
Speaker 2: of system Matt Eberfluss is going to bring to the table,
Speaker 2: and you marry that with this draft board of prospects
Speaker 2: that we have in front. I'm looking at cornerback as
Speaker 2: a spot that might be a little bit more of
Speaker 2: a need than we anticipated early because of the health
Speaker 2: of Trayvon Diggs is a question mark saw last year
Speaker 2: the revolving door at cornerback, and the one steady hand
Speaker 2: is Jordan Lewis. Well, guess what, He's an unrestricted free agent.
Speaker 2: You may not have jaylu going in the next year,
Speaker 2: and you've invested in that position recently. But out of
Speaker 2: this this draft class, where would you feel comfortable taking
Speaker 2: a cornerback, especially if it's one of those top three picks.
Speaker 5: Top three picks, first round picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first three, m twelve, Otch go ahead.
Speaker 5: Twelfth overall and tem twelfth, Tommy Yards, John a Beahers
Speaker 5: you take that. Got but but but I actually think, though, Kyle,
Speaker 5: you don't have to go rounds one, two and three
Speaker 5: with this. Now. You know, we don't have a four,
Speaker 5: and that sucks every time we have.
Speaker 2: It hurts every single time. But you know, me and
Speaker 2: got Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 5: But me and you know Brian are just watching film
Speaker 5: and we watched Kansas yesterday, right, Kansas defense, and we're
Speaker 5: watching two Kansas corners that play a ton of zone
Speaker 5: over there, Mellow and Kobe Kobe Bryant. They're not basketball players,
Speaker 5: but Meloson and Kobe Bryant and both those guys they
Speaker 5: play heavy zone and their ball hawk kind of guys. Right,
Speaker 5: So if you're looking for corner I don't even think
Speaker 5: you have to, you know, Ben to go first or
Speaker 5: second round. You can wait till round five to you know,
Speaker 5: most most most likely good guy Alexander from l Brians.
Speaker 5: I know they get whooped all the time, but they
Speaker 5: play a lot of zone. There's a lot of linked
Speaker 5: over there. He can run around a little bit. There's
Speaker 5: there's options.
Speaker 2: He's there after the fifth or fourth.
Speaker 5: The more corners you watch, the more guys just kind
Speaker 5: of bumped down the listle little bit. I got a
Speaker 5: tunnel ones, twos and threes. I'm like, damn, where did
Speaker 5: you have Alexander? I had him at three, but now
Speaker 5: I got him late four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that if you look at the two Kansas kids,
Speaker 3: I think that they're right there with each other Jobson
Speaker 3: and also too with Bryant, and I think Alexander's right
Speaker 3: in that mix as well.
Speaker 2: I have Kobe and Mellow touching tags at sixteen and
Speaker 2: seventeen overall CB sixteen and seventeen, and then I'm looking
Speaker 2: at Alexander. I must be higher on Alexander than you
Speaker 2: guys are. Have him as a late second. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like the length. I like the ability to let
Speaker 2: me pull up the scouting report. We talked to it
Speaker 2: a little bit last time. He has a mean streak
Speaker 2: to him, controlled the boundary fluid hips. Great length frame
Speaker 2: would fit well in every scheme, is what I put.
Speaker 2: I think he would play better in zone than he
Speaker 2: wouldn't man, and I like the link that he could
Speaker 2: play a press man at the line of scrimmage too.
Speaker 2: So he lacks ketchup speed. That's the real problem, is true.
Speaker 2: Not a flyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's going to be a couple of cornerbacks in
Speaker 3: this draft that are not going to run very well,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're gonna go Okay.
Speaker 2: I think he hits well. I think he's.
Speaker 3: Somewhere around around the fourth round myself. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: because what about forty times?
Speaker 2: Oh forty time?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I I think he's going to be in
Speaker 3: the in the mid four five. If if I was Alexander,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't run at the combine. I would just wait
Speaker 3: till the pro day. And traditionally Loshu's pro day is
Speaker 3: later than everyone else's. It's actually closer to like the
Speaker 3: first of April, so they they give their guys an
Speaker 3: opportunity to be able to get ready to run. And
Speaker 3: so if I was Alexander, I I would not I
Speaker 3: do all the drills and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 3: would not venture to try and run run downhill.
Speaker 4: I think an interesting case study in this in this
Speaker 4: corner class that at least that I've seen. I don't
Speaker 4: know about you guys in terms of where he is
Speaker 4: is jan Yay. Thomas's brother is Mariah Thomas from Florida State,
Speaker 4: sixt two hundred ninety eight pounds. Where do you guys
Speaker 4: stand on him?
Speaker 2: Second round? I have a third, yeah, a third two? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a third two.
Speaker 4: I thought he was he was okay at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 4: I wasn't wowed Kyle. I was affecting him to take
Speaker 4: a lead. Yeah, I was all affecting a little bit better.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was just some of you know, some of
Speaker 4: these guys when you go to the Senior Bowl in
Speaker 4: the Shrine Bowl, it's not their setting, right, and they
Speaker 4: do better outside of those kinds of settings, and they
Speaker 4: play better at eleven on them in which.
Speaker 5: Football film is much much better fit exactly well.
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the case for a lot
Speaker 2: of guys. And I've said this before, the corners I
Speaker 2: think have the toughest assignment maybe out outside of offensive
Speaker 2: linemen at the Senior Bowl because they're faced up with
Speaker 2: these one on one drills. They're put on an island
Speaker 2: and it's either figure it out or you've had a
Speaker 2: bad week, right, And I think there was maybe one guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, there were a couple of guys that stood out.
Speaker 2: I thought up In Stout from Western Kentucky raised his
Speaker 2: stock a little bit at the Senior Bowl. Maxwell harriston
Speaker 2: the Kentucky corner had a good Senior Bowl process. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, every other guy that I'm looking at,
Speaker 2: Darian Porter out of Iowa State, Thomas out of Florida State,
Speaker 2: Jalen Smith from USC they had ups and they had Downstow.
Speaker 5: Carters though, because he's a tall, long, can't really turn
Speaker 5: that well guy, but he's like fast and so in
Speaker 5: real life he may be a zone guy for you,
Speaker 5: and they do all this man all this one on
Speaker 5: one cover stuff at these bows and even on film
Speaker 5: he does that. But in my mind, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: you can run and you're tall, a go be a
Speaker 5: cover three guy right back to the sideline deep thirds
Speaker 5: bail out, like I think he'll be much better there.
Speaker 5: So that's another problem we got to think about too,
Speaker 5: is that these colleges will do one thing, but when
Speaker 5: they get to the league they may have a whole nother idea.
Speaker 5: For these guys.
Speaker 2: How much do you play a factor. When you're scouting
Speaker 2: these corners and you're going in, you're looking at length.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's that's almost the plus side length.
Speaker 2: That could hurt your draft stock because you don't move
Speaker 2: as well. I think Porter moves exceptionally well for being
Speaker 2: six foot four or whatever he ended up being measured at.
Speaker 5: Sure, you just got to use your imagination. You just
Speaker 5: have to use your imagination. Like Barron is a fantastic
Speaker 5: example of that. Like they move him all over all over, right,
Speaker 5: you're not gonna move that much in real life.
Speaker 2: Baron's five to eleven. I mean that's different than six
Speaker 2: foot four.
Speaker 5: I think he'll be a fantastic nickel. I think he'll
Speaker 5: do some cool outside things. I don't see a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of safety in his future. I don't see a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of linebacker in his future. So in real life,
Speaker 5: if you just narrow these guys down to one job,
Speaker 5: they'll be totally different. So that's what I had to do, right,
Speaker 5: So if you go into it, yeah, man, I saw
Speaker 5: some Johdy Barons table. He was at a free and
Speaker 5: I didn't really like him at free saving too much.
Speaker 5: You have to use your He's not gonna be there, right,
Speaker 5: Just imagine him at nickel corner. Most likely he's probably
Speaker 5: gonna chase people around. You know, play on, play on
Speaker 5: both sides of the field, and that's where you take
Speaker 5: those risks. But just get rid of all the other rips.
Speaker 4: And I'll add this, sorry, Brian, go ahead, Jeff, But
Speaker 4: in the Matt Eberflus defense, when you look at what
Speaker 4: he did in Chicago with Kyler Gordon at that nickel spot,
Speaker 4: Nichols tend to have a lot of success when the
Speaker 4: Matt Eberflus defense is playing at their best. So if
Speaker 4: they want to approach it as Jordan Lewis bring him back,
Speaker 4: then that's going to be huge for Jordan Lewis because
Speaker 4: I think he would flourish in that kind of system.
Speaker 4: If Jordan Lewis has an understricted free agent decides to
Speaker 4: go elsewhere, then do you take a Jade Barron and say, hey,
Speaker 4: this is our nickel guy, this is our nickel guy.
Speaker 4: But is twelve too rich for him?
Speaker 6: Is?
Speaker 3: It would be the question if if you like the
Speaker 3: player taken it to well, I mean if you like
Speaker 3: the player to me, all I heard was Brian Branch
Speaker 3: with this kid and and he's he's not Brian Branch.
Speaker 3: He's more Trent McDuffie from Kansas City than he is
Speaker 3: Brian Branch.
Speaker 2: So people were.
Speaker 3: Talking about even my son who goes to school at Texas,
Speaker 3: and you know, he's like, Dad, you got to watch
Speaker 3: this kid play, and then you watch him play and
Speaker 3: he is the cover aspect. The things like that are
Speaker 3: just outstanding with him. The ability to carry some routes,
Speaker 3: the quickness, the ability to turn the ball, hawking, all that.
Speaker 3: Brian Branch to me, is like a linebacker guy, a
Speaker 3: safety guy, you know, can play at the corner, bigger, bigger.
Speaker 3: I think Baron's just more of a corner than he
Speaker 3: is that guy that can do all the things that
Speaker 3: we just described.
Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting case because you've got Baron Hunter.
Speaker 2: I've heard Will Johnson, I know, we talked about him
Speaker 2: just briefly the other day. And then the other guy
Speaker 2: that I have in the first is Trey Amos out
Speaker 2: of Old miss. I haven't heard much about him. What
Speaker 2: do you think about Amos?
Speaker 4: I thought he had I thought he had an okay
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. Yeah, I thought he was good. I just
Speaker 4: think that that that is again it's a tough environment
Speaker 4: for corners because you don't really get a great gauge
Speaker 4: or a safeties defensive backs in general. Yeah, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it, it's not great because it's so
Speaker 4: much one on one and like like Tess Johnson for
Speaker 4: example at Oregon, I mean, he's just these guys just
Speaker 4: don't stand a chance one on one because he's so fast.
Speaker 4: But Amos is another one of those guys who I
Speaker 4: would think is deserving of that great I've got a
Speaker 4: second on him, but you know, sometimes it's just the
Speaker 4: tough environment.
Speaker 2: He's a loose hipped guy.
Speaker 3: And when you watch him play, you know, especially if
Speaker 3: you watch the Georgia game and beck Beck doesn't go
Speaker 3: at him at all. I mean, they are worried about
Speaker 3: how well this guy plays man cover. You put this
Speaker 3: guy in press, he is going to be hard to
Speaker 3: get away from him. He's a willing tackler. He's physical.
Speaker 3: There's a lot to like about this kid. And again
Speaker 3: I don't have the Senior Bowl measurements on him. With
Speaker 3: six is what I've been working off of. But this
Speaker 3: kid tracks the ball, he plays press. You know, he's
Speaker 3: he's he's a fluid moving player. Somebody's gonna fall in
Speaker 3: love with this kid. But you know it's he's got
Speaker 3: an interesting background, yep, because he went to school Louisiana
Speaker 3: and then he went to school at Alabama and now
Speaker 3: he's at Old Miss, and you kind of wonder, okay,
Speaker 3: was what's going on there? Why the why the double transfer?
Speaker 3: We see guys going from one place to another, but
Speaker 3: why the double transfer? Why leaving Alabama too? Is another
Speaker 3: thing you kind of have to ask yourself. So dig
Speaker 3: in coaching staff, now dig in on it could be
Speaker 3: dig in on that. But also, this guy's an outstanding
Speaker 3: football player.
Speaker 2: He was a six to oh three eight at the
Speaker 2: UH at the Senior Bowl, So six six foot three eighths, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's thirty two inch arms, wingspan six foot five.
Speaker 3: Eight, So he's you know, he he's got some good
Speaker 3: measurable His tape, you know, his tape.
Speaker 2: Is is really really Where do you have him second?
Speaker 2: The second round? Yeah? I have him late first, I
Speaker 2: have him like right at the end of my first
Speaker 2: round picks or first round grades, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: move him. I like him.
Speaker 5: I got a lout of first round.
Speaker 2: I've got sixteen right now, which is more than I
Speaker 2: thought I would have. And maybe that's me just being
Speaker 2: on I'm usually a very optimistic person, and maybe that's
Speaker 2: bad for me as a scout, But I think sixteen
Speaker 2: grades is right around where I'm at. I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take any away, like almost, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: move them out of the first I believe that the fluidity,
Speaker 2: the movement, the measurables, and the tape that I saw.
Speaker 2: I watched them against LSU in South Carolina. I didn't
Speaker 2: even need the Kentucky tape. I watched it anyways, and
Speaker 2: all of those sold me across the board. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna keep it almost where he's at. Is it Amos
Speaker 2: or almost?
Speaker 4: I believe he's adrianan Amos's son?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: If you are. If you're right about that, then that's
Speaker 2: gonna be something on my scouting report, and we'll put
Speaker 2: that in the draft magazine. All right, when we come back,
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Speaker 2: We got some great questions lined up from the fans
Speaker 2: out there talking about the NFL Draft as we're seventy
Speaker 2: days away. More of the Draft show right after this.
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Speaker 2: So you were wrong. I was wrong. That's unfortunately, it's
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Speaker 2: That's very true. All right, Jerry in Ireland is going
Speaker 2: to get us started today. How about that across the pond?
Speaker 2: He said. Brian used to say build around the quarterback
Speaker 2: to make him successful. Right, it's saying that you've used
Speaker 2: quite a few times. He wants to take a different approach.
Speaker 2: He wants to take the attitude toward Micah Parsons on
Speaker 2: the edge rusher spot with that in mind, specific scheme aside,
Speaker 2: what would benefit Micah most in an ideal world from
Speaker 2: this draft class? And he listed a couple of options,
Speaker 2: but I want to open it up and then we
Speaker 2: can maybe hit these options here in a minute. What
Speaker 2: would benefit Michael Parsons in this draft class.
Speaker 5: We are looking for one take. We are looking for
Speaker 5: past rushes that can help him in the in the
Speaker 5: past rush department, and we're looking for corners. I hope
Speaker 5: I ain't take everybody answers, but I think that's just obvious.
Speaker 2: You just did. Don't worry about that. I ask you
Speaker 2: for one thing.
Speaker 5: And you said for but tell me why we need corners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, the first thing that came
Speaker 3: to my mind was an a pass rusher opposite.
Speaker 2: It's first thing that came to my mind.
Speaker 3: Interesting if you had somebody opposite of him that could
Speaker 3: kind of take some of the pressure where we you know,
Speaker 3: we've seen in the past where if you have somebody
Speaker 3: to pair with a really good rusher, how it affects
Speaker 3: you know that they can't do things protection wise, They
Speaker 3: can't chip you, they can't slide to you. You know,
Speaker 3: if you have somebody on the other side of Micah
Speaker 3: Parsons that could really really rush, and you know that
Speaker 3: there's there's some guys you are hopeful for. Sam Williams.
Speaker 3: I felt like that going into the season. You know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of talk about Sam Williams and
Speaker 3: then we're all in training camp and watching a special
Speaker 3: teams period and Sam Williams is now laying on the
Speaker 3: ground and no longer on your team.
Speaker 2: Uh that way, you know, helping you. But so that's
Speaker 2: a huge los.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that having that pass rusher
Speaker 3: opposite him. I think the coverage aspect, like Box says, though,
Speaker 3: I think is really really important too.
Speaker 2: With that.
Speaker 3: You know, if you can hold up on the back
Speaker 3: end and give Micah a second or two more or
Speaker 3: an opportunity to rush or break somebody down, I think
Speaker 3: that would be very helpful to him as well.
Speaker 5: So Brian, let me ask you this and we can
Speaker 5: just rebound off of that. So when you say, get
Speaker 5: Micah a pass rushing partner, right, how good do you
Speaker 5: want that dude to be? Do you just want like
Speaker 5: another body that can get pass rushing or do you
Speaker 5: want like another dude like him.
Speaker 2: I'll take your old miss kid, Okay, I'll take I'll take.
Speaker 5: Princeley, um mom and.
Speaker 2: Oh mommy, yellen, oh mamma, yellen. Yeah, I'll take your
Speaker 2: guy there. I'll take Pierce too. I mean, first I
Speaker 2: thought you were saying Nolan. I was like, wow, that
Speaker 2: was a change I'm looking for an edge, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean to I'm a big fan of Mike Green
Speaker 3: from Marshall and so if it's somebody of that caliber
Speaker 3: type of a player, I think that's a huge help
Speaker 3: for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't tend to agree with that. I'm with
Speaker 4: you on Mike Green. I mean, him alongside Michael Parsons,
Speaker 4: I feel like would be fantastic. But I look at
Speaker 4: if you're going to build around Michael Parsons, I'm leaning
Speaker 4: more towards you want a talented secondary. You want somebody
Speaker 4: at the corner spot, at the safety spot, maybe later
Speaker 4: in the later rounds that can, like Brian said, give
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons that extra second or two, because really, I
Speaker 4: think Mike has proven up to this point in his
Speaker 4: career that regardless of who's on the defensive line with him,
Speaker 4: regardless of how good or maybe not as good as
Speaker 4: they'd want to be on the rest of the defensive
Speaker 4: line the Cowboys have been, he's still gotten his twelve
Speaker 4: plus sacks in the last four years. So that extra
Speaker 4: time or extra two seconds of time that it would
Speaker 4: take for Michael Parsons to get in the backfield He's
Speaker 4: going to do it regardless of who's on the other
Speaker 4: side of him. So getting those coverage, sacks and those
Speaker 4: guys who can cover for you downfield and even when
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons doesn't get home, still be able to make
Speaker 4: a play on the ball or be in the area
Speaker 4: try to break up passes, I think is valuable.
Speaker 5: Do you think it'll be easier to boaster the coverage
Speaker 5: or to boaster the pass rush pass rush? Because what
Speaker 5: I'm thinking is, like, all right, we can add a corner,
Speaker 5: but we've had a We've had a really good corner before.
Speaker 5: They just throw it to the other corner, right Yeah,
Speaker 5: So like if you're gonna fix coverage, you would have
Speaker 5: to fix all of it. Three four people right right,
Speaker 5: I'm watching the Eagles. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 5: just hate too. You know what I'm saying. They just
Speaker 5: got a handful of guys in the you know, pass
Speaker 5: rush department. They go and draft a safety or two
Speaker 5: when hey, they get the sack. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They drafted two corners with the nickel. The nickel was
Speaker 3: huge for them. To get Maddox off the field, was huge. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Mitchell played at a very very high level
Speaker 3: right off the jump, so they they were they were
Speaker 3: very fortunate that that pass rust though I went back
Speaker 3: and watched the you know, the sacks that Mahomes suffered.
Speaker 3: There were like three different times though if he just
Speaker 3: had a decent pocket, they were plays down the field
Speaker 3: to worthy that they just couldn't get the ball off.
Speaker 3: So pass rush is huge, But that that secondary, the
Speaker 3: way that they cover is has made them a different team.
Speaker 3: They would they went from giving up a ton of
Speaker 3: points a ton of yards last year to being one
Speaker 3: of the best. And I think a lot of it
Speaker 3: has to do with the way that that second they
Speaker 3: still got Blank and Ship and you know and and
Speaker 3: and John's Gardner Johnson, and they probably need to upgrade there.
Speaker 3: But those corners man even sligh. They keep Slay out
Speaker 3: of the mix, and you know, you should probably be
Speaker 3: attacking him more, but teams don't because the pass rush
Speaker 3: gets home.
Speaker 2: Now, this is kind of along the same lines. Damien
Speaker 2: asked if there was one position and or a player
Speaker 2: that could help the Cowboys, or that the Cowboys could
Speaker 2: target to help Matt Eberflus in his scheme and make
Speaker 2: that successful. What would that be Would that be a
Speaker 2: lethal pass rusher? Again?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we drafted twelve, so you know, if we'd
Speaker 5: have lost some more games, I mean, yeah, Mason Graham
Speaker 5: wud Yeah, that would have been nice, that'd be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, well then let me ask you this, this is
Speaker 2: a fan question. Let me preface it by that so
Speaker 2: that way we can throw this on there. Sure, would
Speaker 2: you trade the first round pick the number twelve to
Speaker 2: go get a guy that might have maybe once called Arlington,
Speaker 2: Texas home and has requested a trade from a specific team.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anybody on the board better than
Speaker 3: that player you're talking about. You know, the edge there
Speaker 3: with that team in Ohio. But yeah, I you know,
Speaker 3: to me, that's where you have to evaluate. If you
Speaker 3: really really want to make this, if you really really
Speaker 3: want to help, you would say, okay, is there anybody
Speaker 3: on the board better then?
Speaker 2: And then if you say no, then go for it.
Speaker 3: If you feel like that at Ashton Genty or McMillan
Speaker 3: or I mean.
Speaker 2: I think there's somebody has a shot.
Speaker 3: I think we all have names that we would not
Speaker 3: I mean, like Jeff Cavan I did like a trust
Speaker 3: the tape this morning and and it was Jeff gave
Speaker 3: me four blue chip names that he absolutely if those
Speaker 3: guys were there, would absolutely take those guys. And I
Speaker 3: think we all, as we've done this process, would have
Speaker 3: three to four guys that we wouldn't that we would say, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're not we're not trading to pick. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: think everybody else's fair game. I think everybody else on
Speaker 3: that board.
Speaker 2: Even if that's the case, and that players on the board,
Speaker 2: would your name, would your floor four blue chip names
Speaker 2: go down to one or two? I think it's tough, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's tough.
Speaker 3: But to me, I really I would love to see,
Speaker 3: man if somehow when your blue chip guys get you,
Speaker 3: I'd love to be able to test that theory because
Speaker 3: I it would be very, very difficult for me as
Speaker 3: much as they. I feel like that McMillan would help
Speaker 3: this team. So would that guy in Ohio. You're done right,
Speaker 3: so that that would test me. Now, to get the
Speaker 3: guy in Ohio, you would have to be able to
Speaker 3: have to give up other things along with it. If
Speaker 3: you're comfortable having him picking at forty four, not having
Speaker 3: anything it's at seventy what's that number?
Speaker 2: Seventy seventy sixty six.
Speaker 3: If you're comfortable doing that and not having a four,
Speaker 3: you've really much wiped yourself out of a draft.
Speaker 2: But you've got one of the best.
Speaker 3: Players in the National Football League, so you'd have to
Speaker 3: consider that.
Speaker 5: So Brian Jens or this imaginary character that play football.
Speaker 2: Yep, fantasy football, I would I would take the imaginary player, Okay, Okay, Tommy,
Speaker 2: I'd agree with that. Okay.
Speaker 5: If a dual Carter rib the bank and he's at
Speaker 5: and he's at at twelve four.
Speaker 2: I'll make the pick. I'll make that pick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So I would do that too, Okay. So
Speaker 5: it's it's it's so you're drafting those for those three
Speaker 5: of four guys, chaps. Yeah, but if it's not those
Speaker 5: three or four guys make it happen, then you don't
Speaker 5: go get that imaginary player, right right?
Speaker 2: Which could you do that draft weekend? Could you do?
Speaker 2: You think that would be something you could wait AT's
Speaker 2: something playing, that's something game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something you have to I to me, if
Speaker 3: you go on the clock with that, you might you
Speaker 3: might you might not get the value out of it
Speaker 3: you need.
Speaker 2: You might get you know, they might hold you up
Speaker 2: on stuff.
Speaker 5: I think that random team would love to draft it.
Speaker 5: Two and a twill.
Speaker 2: I think so too, Yeah, I think wait the case
Speaker 2: all right? Uh, this one kind of pairs a couple
Speaker 2: of questions together. We had a question about comp pics.
Speaker 2: What would the comppicks look like? I'm looking at it
Speaker 2: right now. This is from NFL dot com projected competitory
Speaker 2: picks for the Cowboys Three in round five, one in
Speaker 2: round six, and that is that for twenty six? Uh
Speaker 2: that's for twenty five? Oh well no, yeah, we know that, right.
Speaker 2: What's what's the question? What's your uh? What do you?
Speaker 5: What do you?
Speaker 2: Were you asking? Why were talking compics? What do we
Speaker 2: did I miss something? Though? They were just wondering what
Speaker 2: the compics are? Oh I thought they were they have
Speaker 2: You were just explaining what it was. I thought you
Speaker 2: were trying to calculate the f No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: this upcoming because they haven't announced it yet. And three
Speaker 2: is the projected in round five. One is in round
Speaker 2: six that replaces Doran's Armstrong, Tyler Biattish, Tony Pollard, Tyron Smith,
Speaker 2: Dante Faller Junior. Got you, So that's that's okay?
Speaker 3: There, I'm sorry, but kind of I thought you were
Speaker 3: projecting into twenty six.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what we're getting real after it now? Free
Speaker 2: agent hadn't even started yet. Cowboy Chuck kind of along
Speaker 2: those same line, said, would last year's seven round picks
Speaker 2: of or seventh round picks of Nathan Thomas and Justin Rodgers,
Speaker 2: where would they rank in this twenty twenty five class
Speaker 2: based off of the guys you've seen so far? And
Speaker 2: does that affect how team's prioritize picks going into this draft,
Speaker 2: including those comp picks the fact that you have a
Speaker 2: lot of those front loaded in the fifth Did you.
Speaker 5: Know Justin Rodgers is back on the team?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 5: When when the hell I happened?
Speaker 2: It was like week sixteen seven, towards the end of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 5: What are you doing on the Russ? Okay? Cool? Okay?
Speaker 5: So they asking if Auburn Justin r is in his glass?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like did they think that? Where did they rank
Speaker 2: in terms of it? And the answer here could just
Speaker 2: be that they were seventh round picks. He would make him.
Speaker 5: He'll be in a seventh Solway. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 5: a class field with one ticks that I that I'm
Speaker 5: a fan of.
Speaker 2: Week but they don't play a factor at all.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm drafted, I'm I'm doubled down. I'm doubling down
Speaker 5: on one of those guys. Like if I could take
Speaker 5: a tackle in the third round and then come back
Speaker 5: and get Jordan Phillips or something like that, and if
Speaker 5: he's there, he's gonna be there. But just but just
Speaker 5: we just keep finding guys, right tyd Robinson from the Braast,
Speaker 5: We just keep finding, you know, third, fourth, fifth round guys.
Speaker 5: So like, man, even if you don't get tackled early,
Speaker 5: you can go you can go tackle late. And I'm
Speaker 5: not thinking about Justin Rodgers in that equation.
Speaker 2: I'm a little interested, like why why is there so
Speaker 2: much intrigue around Nathan Thomas?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the unknown, he'spiged, the big body guy and which
Speaker 3: he and you there's three questions here.
Speaker 5: Cowboy fans love the backups, but they hate the superstars.
Speaker 5: That's just what life is.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 5: Somebody somebody rooting for Rico gathers right now, Rico gathers.
Speaker 5: That's just that's just that's just how we do. That's
Speaker 5: just our second bears. I don't know that's our you know,
Speaker 5: that's just our fan base. Or whatever. So now, yeah,
Speaker 5: Nathan Thomas shortan Nathan Nathan Thomas probably won't even take, uh,
Speaker 5: won't even take the jobs of the guys that we
Speaker 5: have Bass and and Hoffmann. So Nathan gonna have to
Speaker 5: live some waste and we'll see when we get to camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole thing is what did he do
Speaker 3: with this off season? What did he do did was
Speaker 3: he living in the weight room, He got to be stronger?
Speaker 3: Was he getting more flexible? Was he getting more quick footed?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: These are things. Yeah, there's you never know.
Speaker 3: This might be one of those unknowns that show up,
Speaker 3: or they might be one of those guys that you know,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys picked and all of a sudden, you're you know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't fit into what you know, what they're what
Speaker 3: you're trying to do. He doesn't look athletic, he doesn't
Speaker 3: look strong, you know. So there was some hope for
Speaker 3: him coming out of Louisiana when he was selected. Uh,
Speaker 3: but you know, if you look at overall though him
Speaker 3: losing the year, he needs to hopefully he the strength
Speaker 3: staff got him to where he could at least be
Speaker 3: competitive in training camp this year.
Speaker 5: But see, Kyle, this is another thing that I'm having
Speaker 5: problems with fighting people online? Why do we keep having
Speaker 5: why do we keep trying to patch work the offensive line?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, like we look at all, right,
Speaker 5: we have to upgrade from Jalen over, the Brooks and
Speaker 5: all these guys. But we'll see what Nathan Thomas, Hey,
Speaker 5: we'll we'll try to squeeze brock hob and see everything.
Speaker 5: Why don't we look at offensive line the same way
Speaker 5: that we and look, we like not like us, but
Speaker 5: we like them, right? Why why don't we look at
Speaker 5: offensive line like we have to upgrade this? Like why
Speaker 5: do we have to patch work there?
Speaker 2: Somebody asked me that in a DM I think this
Speaker 2: week where they were talking about Zack Martin. Why does
Speaker 2: the show, as in the draft show, why do we
Speaker 2: just kind of anticipate Zach Martin not being there? It's
Speaker 2: because there's a good chance he's not there going into
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 3: He even said he was a free agent, so maybe
Speaker 3: somebody else would come along and make him offer better
Speaker 3: than what the Cowboys were willing to do.
Speaker 5: He's going to be.
Speaker 2: A probably a June one cut just because of the
Speaker 2: void years. At the end of all this and what
Speaker 2: that's going to play out. Don't be surprised. You look
Speaker 2: up June one and Zach Martin's getting cut doesn't mean
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be here next year. That's just the
Speaker 2: conversation they have to have in the contract. That the
Speaker 2: way that it's structured moving forward. All right, Josh Weaver,
Speaker 2: pick your best two round options. We like doing these
Speaker 2: every once in a while while on here. So first two rounds.
Speaker 2: We'll start it off with Ashton Gent running back from
Speaker 2: Boise State. He's paired with Xavier Watt's safety from Notre Dame,
Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about in this next segment.
Speaker 2: That's the first option, pretty good, one two punch Luther Burden,
Speaker 2: wide receiver from Missouri, and Mason Graham slips to the
Speaker 2: second round defensive tackle from Michigan. So there's your second option.
Speaker 2: And your third option is Kenneth Grant from Michigan defensive
Speaker 2: tackle in the first round. And you've got Treyvon Henderson,
Speaker 2: the running back from Ohio State that flips to the
Speaker 2: second round.
Speaker 5: Many in one of his scenarios, Yeah, may rob the bank.
Speaker 5: Mason Graham yea to the second but then the.
Speaker 2: Other Kenny Kenny Grant goes first, went first. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would flip those two.
Speaker 4: I think Mason Graham would have done something worse than
Speaker 4: rob the bank.
Speaker 2: The second round.
Speaker 3: I would maybe say this, like, flip the two names.
Speaker 3: Probably Okay, Okay, who is the name he paired with?
Speaker 3: Graham lu Receiver Missouri.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's go burding like Harmon or something.
Speaker 3: But you take Harmon. I was just gonna go Nolan. You
Speaker 3: know where I'm at with Nolan, and I'm the same way.
Speaker 3: I just want to see everybody else out. But Tommy,
Speaker 3: we talked about I would do.
Speaker 2: Some people would love Nolan.
Speaker 5: Some people love Nolan more than me. Yeah, Nolan's a
Speaker 5: flash guy, He's a sometimes.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not falls Okay, well falls to the forty four.
Speaker 2: You still wouldn't feel good.
Speaker 5: Well, it depends on who else is on my board.
Speaker 5: And that's my big thing, right. I don't hate Nolan.
Speaker 5: I just like Harmon much better. I like Grant better,
Speaker 5: I like Williams better. So it just depends on who's there.
Speaker 5: If no, if Nolan is there with those other guys on.
Speaker 2: Let's say Williams, Harmon and Nolan are all there, I
Speaker 2: would rather Harmon Harmon out of Oregon, and.
Speaker 5: Then Williams from Ohio State, and then I would take Nolan.
Speaker 2: From over oh So he's third on that list that.
Speaker 5: He's my he's my dtackle five or something. I've been
Speaker 5: seeing conversations where people talking.
Speaker 2: To Sanders South Carolina TJ like.
Speaker 5: Like third for me, So I would take Nolan over Sanders.
Speaker 5: But I've been seeing people talk about Nolan at twelve
Speaker 5: and I'm just like what I'm missing. I'm like, what's'all
Speaker 5: looking at? Like what's going on? Yeah, So I'm I'm
Speaker 5: definitely not here for that. If in case, anybody to
Speaker 5: table one to fight for Nolan at twelve or whatever,
Speaker 5: but uh no.
Speaker 2: Not that high.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, If he's there at forty four, then absolutely we.
Speaker 5: Can definitely talk about him at forty four. I won't
Speaker 5: I won't cry about it.
Speaker 2: If Nolan's going to go in the first round, somebody's
Speaker 2: gonna be take he will, he will.
Speaker 4: And if if that's the case, and this is a
Speaker 4: guy that like Brian was talking about, if you like
Speaker 4: your guy, yeah, then then go get him, go get it,
Speaker 4: and then go get him. You know, I don't think
Speaker 4: that's too rich for for Nolan for Baron, for for
Speaker 4: really any of these guys. But if he's there at
Speaker 4: forty four and you pick Luther Burden at twelve, then
Speaker 4: that that absolutely I would I would with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Gent and Watts, Burden, and let's say Nolan slips,
Speaker 2: go go for go Campbell, go the linebacker Campbell, Jehan Campbell, Yeah,
Speaker 2: go Campbell at forty four in that Burden, Yeah, go
Speaker 2: with Burden and Campbell. Okay, as your numbers. Okay, so
Speaker 2: Genty and Watts, Burden and Campbell, Grant and Henderson. Which
Speaker 2: one are you taking out of those three?
Speaker 5: I'm probably going Genty and Watts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with watch.
Speaker 2: I love what's wats is a safety.
Speaker 5: Dog safety from Notre Dame. And I love Jency too.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: You know I don't have the pout about nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked you didn't say Grant and Henderson because you've
Speaker 2: got the high end running back talent from Grant, I mean,
Speaker 2: excuse me, from Henderson, but you sure up your defensive line.
Speaker 2: And that's I was trying to think of what first
Speaker 2: round grades I had, because Burden's a first round grade
Speaker 2: on there. You know, some of the others.
Speaker 3: Gent is, of course the first round grade On, but
Speaker 3: I was trying to if you if you told me
Speaker 3: I could take the last group it there'd be two
Speaker 3: second round guys on my board.
Speaker 2: Grant is the second round guy, and Granton Henderson would
Speaker 2: be second round guys on my board.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twelve a little half of me for Grant, but
Speaker 5: I like to play it though.
Speaker 2: Gent would be a first and a second or Genty
Speaker 2: Watts a first and second. Yeah, Watts would be a
Speaker 2: second for me.
Speaker 3: Burnon Campbell would be a first and a second for me,
Speaker 3: and then the other ones would be a two and
Speaker 3: a two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think I would go Genty and Watts
Speaker 2: in that that mindset. Then try and find a receiver.
Speaker 5: And they'll tell you, Man, genty and Wise that's my
Speaker 5: running back one in my safety too, So I'd be
Speaker 5: pretty happy about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So which one are you going with?
Speaker 3: Broad Us Man, I'm stuck because I really like Burden
Speaker 3: a lot, and and I'll tell you what, Campbell will
Speaker 3: help you a lot at linebacker, at lineback and that,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, in a draft where there's not
Speaker 3: many linebackers, you give me a shot. I love Walker
Speaker 3: from I mean watch and I round and round about Walker,
Speaker 3: But I think if you threw Campbell in there, I
Speaker 3: might go with with burdon Campbell just because I know
Speaker 3: that it would fill too two very needy positions for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting either way. And if you do Burden
Speaker 2: and Campbell, you sure up the second level of your defense.
Speaker 2: You get yourself a number two wide receiver, really a
Speaker 2: one b at wide receiver, and then you can maybe
Speaker 2: get a running back in the third one of those
Speaker 2: other guys. Where do you guys get in on Campbell?
Speaker 2: Where do you guys stand on Campbell? I've got a
Speaker 2: second on him.
Speaker 5: On him, Uh, he's the best lineback in the draft.
Speaker 5: Of me, second round, he.
Speaker 2: Would be the best, like true linebacker, because I still
Speaker 2: have Walker as a linebacker. I have Walker as a linebacker,
Speaker 2: but I think it's because of the off ball edge,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I get it. Some people see
Speaker 2: them different.
Speaker 5: The best linebacker hook Yeah, he's okay.
Speaker 2: But he's the second round that second round. If you
Speaker 2: don't feel like like Walker is the best linebacker, because
Speaker 2: Campbell can.
Speaker 5: Say I can cover, can run sideline, the sideline, Campbell.
Speaker 3: Walker will be number one. Is gonna die on this
Speaker 3: hill on Walker. I just let's just that he's an edge.
Speaker 5: Let's speak, Walker is an edge. Walker is not a linebacker. Walker,
Speaker 5: you can't cover. I don't want Walker covering nobody for me.
Speaker 2: He can cover, he can cover.
Speaker 5: Just I don't want. I don't want Taylor Walker in
Speaker 5: the league.
Speaker 2: You can, He'll be fine.
Speaker 5: I would rather.
Speaker 2: He's as athletic as anybody at that line.
Speaker 5: But I don't want fine. If I'm drafting him, why
Speaker 5: y'all telling me I got a draft him? I want
Speaker 5: ken cover. I know Johana Camill can cover. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think Jalen Walker is that is that kind
Speaker 5: of cover guy.
Speaker 2: John Campbell's a middle linebacker. Walker is an outside linebacker.
Speaker 2: They both have the words linebacker in them. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put Walker as the number one linebacker.
Speaker 5: If if we're using words linebacker and not using words edge,
Speaker 5: then I'm putting linebacker responsibilities on Jalen Walk. I think
Speaker 5: he's a great I think he's an edge. I think
Speaker 5: that's what I think his best that's arguing for. He
Speaker 5: thinks he's in His best players are moving forward, spy
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff. That's cool.
Speaker 2: But I think he'll he'll tell you he's a third
Speaker 2: round edge, is what he'll tell you. Though, too, I'll say,
Speaker 2: is he a third round edge, he's the second second
Speaker 2: round day the first round linebacker. Tell you. This guy
Speaker 2: will tell you he is.
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know, man, I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 3: looking at all these edges right now brought us and
Speaker 3: you know what, I use it. That Boston college kid
Speaker 3: is looking really good to me right now. And at
Speaker 3: South Carolina, I kind of feel.
Speaker 5: Like, you're not going to me out on the draft
Speaker 5: showing to punk me. What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Is if from South Carolina.
Speaker 5: He's better if Jaylen, if if Jalen, if Jayleen Walker
Speaker 5: is an edge for me, and I don't think of
Speaker 5: him as a linebacker. I think he disappears as a linebacker.
Speaker 5: I think I get I get sleepy and tired when
Speaker 5: he's a linebacker. But he makes explosive plays at edge,
Speaker 5: especially versus Texas, right that's his best Show me the.
Speaker 2: Rest of the game.
Speaker 5: But show me the rest of the games where he
Speaker 5: going crazy. But that's cool. Though, If he's only an
Speaker 5: edge for me, I'm putting him versus Mike Green. I
Speaker 5: think Mike Green is a better pure edge than him.
Speaker 5: I'm putting them versus Pierce Tennessee. I think Piers a
Speaker 5: better pure edge than him.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should put him at linebacker.
Speaker 5: I don't like he's worse, Like he's a fourth front linebacker.
Speaker 5: Swessenger is a better linebacker than Jaylen Walker.
Speaker 2: Kyle takes the break.
Speaker 5: Yeah, over y, I don't scare me for Lombard talking
Speaker 5: about I was just going to.
Speaker 4: Say that I think Walker's ability is rushing the pastor.
Speaker 5: It is because he's an age right time. Tom he's
Speaker 5: you don't have to Tommy, don't you don't have Tommy.
Speaker 4: Is his best as a pastor.
Speaker 2: I was about to ride the.
Speaker 5: Before let him talk.
Speaker 4: I lean linebacker just because there are some reps that he.
Speaker 2: Takes at edge.
Speaker 4: No, I'm with you that his best ability is the
Speaker 4: ability to rush the passer. But he can do things
Speaker 4: at linebacker, like in that Texas game when you watch
Speaker 4: him spy, he does get he does things well, he
Speaker 4: sees the field well, but he is his best moving
Speaker 4: north and south.
Speaker 5: Instead of called my phone personally and told me don't
Speaker 5: low on this show. That's what he told me. Tommy,
Speaker 5: did he text you the same thing that I'm not lying?
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Speaker 2: on this Thursday, seventy days away, and I want to
Speaker 2: kind of hit some the names that some draft boards
Speaker 2: have high on the list, whether there's first, second, third
Speaker 2: round guys across the board that we've maybe talked about
Speaker 2: once or twice but haven't given a true h a
Speaker 2: true scouting report on them just yet, and so it's
Speaker 2: a time for a little bit of tell me more
Speaker 2: and then can I lead with the guy? Then? Real
Speaker 2: quick on that? Please? Yeah, which one you want to
Speaker 2: start with? You guess?
Speaker 3: Tell me tell me some more about about my guy
Speaker 3: the guard tackle from Ohio State. Which you think about
Speaker 3: Donovan Jackson?
Speaker 5: Okay, Donovan is a powerful guard. I will say he
Speaker 5: can get moving in the run game. I think he
Speaker 5: has some pretty good pass sets. And when our guy
Speaker 5: Josh got hurt, he moved out the left tackle and
Speaker 5: he played against Penn State, and I do a call
Speaker 5: to beat the hell out of him. But towards the
Speaker 5: end of his you know campaign or whatever you know, postseason,
Speaker 5: he put together some really good tackle tape. So now
Speaker 5: that boost him up the board for me because he
Speaker 5: does he does both guard and tackle things. If he
Speaker 5: has any issues or whatever, it may be him losing
Speaker 5: his balance because he's trying to whoop people so bad, right,
Speaker 5: you know, he may end up on the ground sometimes
Speaker 5: just kind of losing it. But what the hell is
Speaker 5: coaching for it? Brian bro Right, So I had works
Speaker 5: on that, yees, sir, I got my guy Donovan Jackson
Speaker 5: in the second round as a guard, and I got
Speaker 5: him behind Booker from Alabama.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that, Tommy, you got
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 4: I think Voch hit the nail right on the head.
Speaker 4: He's a Houston Episcopal Episcopal guy, so Texas cat five
Speaker 4: star prospect. I think coming out of high school, I
Speaker 4: think he's a better guard. But put like Vach said,
Speaker 4: put together some really good tackle tape after Abdul Carter
Speaker 4: at his number with him, so that versatility is going
Speaker 4: to be something that helps him along in the process.
Speaker 4: But I think he's better as a guard, really good
Speaker 4: on the run game, and then he can hold his
Speaker 4: own in past sets too strong base, just kind of
Speaker 4: strong in general. You really see him moving back unless
Speaker 4: it's number eleven and blue and white on the other.
Speaker 5: Side, I played a lot of good dudes too. Brown.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, would you take him at forty four? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Just.
Speaker 2: Do you think I could see I have him over Booker? Yeah? Oh, interesting,
Speaker 2: I have him over Booker Booker from Alabama.
Speaker 5: By the way, I hate your reasonings for it, though, right,
Speaker 5: why do you have him there? Because he likes the
Speaker 5: guys that could play guard and tackle more. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: if they're just a guard, I think Booker's better just
Speaker 5: as a guard. But you like Donovan Moore as a player, Yeah,
Speaker 5: because he can do both.
Speaker 3: He showed me that he can do more than just
Speaker 3: play guard, and I think there's something to that. If
Speaker 3: you're blocking, you set it yourself. You're blocking good dudes
Speaker 3: at the end, and you're blocking the tackle and that's
Speaker 3: really not your natural position. Because I watched I've watched
Speaker 3: this Tyler Smith kind of do the same thing, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you know, I think the
Speaker 3: flexibility is and I'm usually not this. You know when
Speaker 3: you say position flex to me. I used to think
Speaker 3: it was a cool thing, and now I'm kind of
Speaker 3: like it means you don't play anything really really well.
Speaker 3: I think he could play both of them well, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of intriguing to me that way. So, and
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could do that with Booker
Speaker 3: at Alabama, and Booker's a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to do it with Booker
Speaker 2: because he has been so good. No, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: Booker is a hell of a guard. And if you
Speaker 2: had Booker you'd be damn happy to have him. I
Speaker 2: just think there's a little bit more to Jackson's game
Speaker 2: than Booker's game.
Speaker 5: So Brian, let me asking it. So, if you were
Speaker 5: to draft Jackson right, yeah, and you like him as
Speaker 5: a tackle, is there a world where he's competing with
Speaker 5: your tackles or you only put in the med tackle
Speaker 5: if is an emergency.
Speaker 3: Okay, I see what you're doing here. Because you want
Speaker 3: you want me to, I would play them at guard, okay.
Speaker 3: But I would also know in my mind that if
Speaker 3: my health of my offensive line is not good, if
Speaker 3: it got bad, plan if it got bad, because I
Speaker 3: give me a little bit flexibility there. If you told
Speaker 3: me that both of my guards have the capability of
Speaker 3: playing tackle, one playing left tackle, one playing right tackle,
Speaker 3: I think I'm I think I'm feeling a little bit
Speaker 3: better about my offensive line.
Speaker 2: Is that a change in your mentality since let's say
Speaker 2: before the Tyler Smith era. Has he changed your mind
Speaker 2: in that regard at all? I always kind of.
Speaker 3: I just I think you have to if you're if
Speaker 3: you're looking at these kids, you have to give them credit.
Speaker 3: If they show you that they could play at a
Speaker 3: high level. You have to acknowledge that, sure, and it
Speaker 3: makes me even wants you more if you're able to
Speaker 3: go out there and like in the middle of a game,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, we've dressed eight guys and now
Speaker 3: we have to we lose our tackle in the game,
Speaker 3: and so boom, we're kicking you outside and we're not
Speaker 3: falling apart. So I think you have to acknowledge that.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm doing with this player. And I guys, listen,
Speaker 3: I love Booker, I really really do.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: I think there's something about Donovan Jackson's game that's very, very.
Speaker 2: Appealing to me.
Speaker 3: The flexibility, but the fact that he could play both
Speaker 3: spots pretty well.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm all for that. Is there anybody that
Speaker 2: you have above Jackson that card Banks? Okay, you move, see,
Speaker 2: but see there's people that think Banks, there's people that
Speaker 2: think that Banks is a is a tackle And I totally,
Speaker 2: I totally, you know, I could totally understand that. I
Speaker 2: think I have him.
Speaker 3: But the later I started watching Banks, it was kind
Speaker 3: of some of these games, the playoff games, and Tommy,
Speaker 3: you're gonna tell me then he's banged up, he had
Speaker 3: an ankle problem.
Speaker 2: But I saw some of those games at.
Speaker 3: The end where he was struggling a little bit more
Speaker 3: and a little bit more on the edge and a
Speaker 3: little bit more in space, and that kind of led
Speaker 3: me to believe maybe if you can find the space
Speaker 3: of what he plays in, he might even be a
Speaker 3: better player there.
Speaker 4: But I think it kind of goes to the same
Speaker 4: conversation with Jackson to where if he's a player where
Speaker 4: you feel like you can do both with then I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: that brought him out of tackle and if that doesn't work,
Speaker 4: see how guardwords think he's versatile enough to where he
Speaker 4: hasn't played guard in his time at Texas, but if
Speaker 4: you called upon him to do that, he could certainly
Speaker 4: do it. I mean, he's one of the more athletic
Speaker 4: guys in this class. I think he's the most athletic
Speaker 4: tackle in this class. And you know that ability to
Speaker 4: move and the strength that he's got. He's great in
Speaker 4: the run game. You can use him in polls and
Speaker 4: pins and schemes like that. So which they're going to do,
Speaker 4: which they're going to do. So if that's if that's
Speaker 4: a good scheme fit, which I think I think he
Speaker 4: would be, then that's another guy similar to Jackson, where
Speaker 4: you can kind of see what works best for him
Speaker 4: and he can be a valuable piece.
Speaker 2: While we're on the subject of interior offensive Wyman, how
Speaker 2: about Tate Rattledge Georgia. Tell me a little bit more
Speaker 2: about what you've seen. Six foot six, three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty pounds originally out of Rome, Georgia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when he's healthy, he's a mauler and
Speaker 4: he's excellent in the run game. A great hand placement,
Speaker 4: kind of controls those interior defensive tackles to make rushing
Speaker 4: lanes for his guys. And obviously Georgia with Trevor et
Speaker 4: In had a great running game this year. You know,
Speaker 4: good in pass protection too. I think he does a
Speaker 4: good job picking up stunts. That's what popped out to
Speaker 4: me the most about him. He's a smart player. He
Speaker 4: knows where guys are coming, and he's able to pass
Speaker 4: guys off to other people when he sees those delayed
Speaker 4: pressures or those stunts coming in. So he's athletic enough
Speaker 4: to be out in space, can get downfield as a blocker.
Speaker 4: They ran a lot of screen games. From some of
Speaker 4: the games that I watched, I watched the two games
Speaker 4: against Texas and then later on in the season two.
Speaker 4: I think is the did the play LSU this year?
Speaker 11: Was it?
Speaker 4: Old miss I'm blinking there you go, thank you about
Speaker 4: Walter Nowen.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: So the thing is, it's the big question mark there
Speaker 4: is went healthy. He had a rope surgery earlier this year,
Speaker 4: so he missed a couple of games.
Speaker 2: You think about him.
Speaker 5: Tommy got him, Tommy, Tommy is now now now. When
Speaker 5: I was watching old Miss, old missus competitive, man, they
Speaker 5: got some they got some dudes up there and boys.
Speaker 5: Jared I even got him real good one time. And
Speaker 5: that was the first game I watched. I was like, man,
Speaker 5: does he have a problem with you know, quicker tackles
Speaker 5: or anything like that? But nah, no, no, just you know,
Speaker 5: I Eve just just got him. But very strong, dude,
Speaker 5: maller dude competitive he do. I think he moves decent,
Speaker 5: but I don't want to put him in that conversation
Speaker 5: like you know Donovan as a mover, like as a mover,
Speaker 5: but he can move well enough. I got him in
Speaker 5: the third.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, third round third, third round two. I think
Speaker 3: the problem when he misses with his hands, he's in trouble.
Speaker 3: I mean he is like because he's not Yeah, well
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the I don't think he has the
Speaker 3: true athletic ability to recover that way. There's some guys
Speaker 3: that you'll see them miss with their hand get outside,
Speaker 3: but they're kind of scrambling with their with their feet
Speaker 3: and their footwork and all that. I just think to
Speaker 3: me that that, you know, he's predominantly played in an
Speaker 3: inside zone gap scheme, and so that's kind of how
Speaker 3: he plays. It's but the stuff with the outside I know,
Speaker 3: we talk about pinn and poles and things like that.
Speaker 3: I just don't see a guy that's capable of playing
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, you see him sometimes with the
Speaker 3: down blocks and things. That's fine. Shield guy's fine, But
Speaker 3: when they asked him to do stuff like pick up
Speaker 3: or outside be in space, kind of was a little
Speaker 3: bit struggle. I watched the Texas the Southeastern Conference championship
Speaker 3: game Notre Dame. He kind of got exposed against Notre
Speaker 3: Dame a little bit this way. But because I see
Speaker 3: this guy six sixties, three to twenties, pad level gets
Speaker 3: way up, and then when he gets way up, I
Speaker 3: think there's some I think there's some problems to his game.
Speaker 2: You mentioned John Campbell, linebacker from Alabama in the last segment. Yea,
Speaker 2: who wanted to put him in the second round in
Speaker 2: one of those scenarios. To tell me more about Jahad Campbell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with Campbell, I really really I like
Speaker 3: this kid a lot. The length, the size, and I
Speaker 3: get a measured at six three, two forty five. I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's been an update on that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But he's got really good instincts. He's got toughness. He
Speaker 3: lines up all over the place. I mean, you'll see
Speaker 3: him inside, you'll see him outside. He's versatile in that way.
Speaker 3: I think he does a really good job of reading
Speaker 3: the play, following the flow, and then with the offense
Speaker 3: and then getting in on the tackle. You know, there's
Speaker 3: some things with him with the range, it's good, the
Speaker 3: lateral quickness, the sideline, the sideline stuff. He could set
Speaker 3: the edge with some strength. He's got some pop in
Speaker 3: his hands, you know, forcing the run back inside to
Speaker 3: his teammates. You know, with that way, he had an
Speaker 3: interception in the Georgia game I was watching, So he
Speaker 3: has an understanding where he needs to fit by reading
Speaker 3: the quarterback and then getting in on the play that way.
Speaker 3: So the length presents a problem with him for him,
Speaker 3: well not for him, but for receivers and coverage.
Speaker 2: And he could be a good blitzer too.
Speaker 3: So the size and the power, he gotta like a
Speaker 3: kid that's six three two forty five and he wears
Speaker 3: the number eleven two for Alabama. So that'll fetch you
Speaker 3: something you can think about. It looks pretty big up
Speaker 3: there too. He was top five in the SEC in
Speaker 3: total tackles. Yeah, and his tackling.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the best quality that he had either. Like I said,
Speaker 2: er like you said, I like it when he can
Speaker 2: play downhill, he can get in the backfield. He was
Speaker 2: a good blitzer, was very under control when he was
Speaker 2: running downhill, but then he would break back and coverage.
Speaker 2: Made a play in the Auburn game that I was
Speaker 2: calling earlier than the year that where he jumped back
Speaker 2: and I didn't even see him over the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. I thought, I think it was Lambert Smith
Speaker 2: was the intended target and he got a hand on
Speaker 2: the football breaking backwards. He's got some athleticism and some range.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's active hands. Is one of the things that
Speaker 4: I put down when I watched him because I was
Speaker 4: watching the LSU game. When he's sacking Garrett and us
Speaker 4: in the process of sacking him, he smacks the ball
Speaker 4: out yep and gets a fumble. So now his versatility
Speaker 4: is what makes me like Johan Campbell so much. I've
Speaker 4: got a second on him. He can do so much
Speaker 4: for you as a pass rusher on the outside when
Speaker 4: you send him one of these blitzers. Conversely, in the game,
Speaker 4: he sets the edge really well. He's commanded in the middle.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he wore the green dot for Alabama
Speaker 4: the last couple of years in the middle of that defense.
Speaker 4: But when he drops back into coverage, I think he's solid.
Speaker 4: He reads the defense well. There are sometimes where in
Speaker 4: the run game he he over commits or he takes
Speaker 4: a false step, sure and that and that catches him
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 4: And there's at times too where if offensive linemen are
Speaker 4: better blocking tight ends get their hands on him, he
Speaker 4: gets overpowered, I feel like, and just gets kind of
Speaker 4: thrown out of the equation. But for the most part,
Speaker 4: this is this is a player who I feel like
Speaker 4: is gonna translate really well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a second on him, but I wonder
Speaker 5: if he tests really you know, like you know, really well,
Speaker 5: like I think he's gonna do like wo shrown, Like
Speaker 5: would he go late lay versus possibility?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 5: And plus this linebacker plays is not great, so there's
Speaker 5: no wait until later to get a linebacker. I think
Speaker 5: Campbell probably goes late lay first, you know, late teens,
Speaker 5: twenties or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, all right. Tell me about a Marion Hampton
Speaker 2: running back from North Carolina. One last one before we
Speaker 2: get out of here.
Speaker 5: DeMarco Murray Humbron, Oh, Marko Murray.
Speaker 2: That's who that is.
Speaker 5: I like that runner, blocker catcher. He's my running back too,
Speaker 5: and he's my running back too over Johnson because the
Speaker 5: blocking right.
Speaker 2: I put James Connor. So that's interesting that you put
Speaker 2: Murray there. Same thing, yeah, bumping, but because he's a
Speaker 2: big bruiser who can catch out of the backfield, thumping, whooping, pitching,
Speaker 2: big play and you know, you wouldn't categorize him as
Speaker 2: like a speedy guy, but he breaks over that open
Speaker 2: field and they and look, good job or you know,
Speaker 2: good luck tackling him right Like he's he's he's.
Speaker 5: Thumping at all levels. He's running linebackers over. He's running
Speaker 5: d lineman over and I'm just watching it like a
Speaker 5: goal line. Please, good luck to you.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 5: So Hampton is a guy. I love him man, and
Speaker 5: I have a fear, a real fear that he's going
Speaker 5: to be going before the Cowboys get back to forty
Speaker 5: forty four. I think somebody like thirty eight gonna take him.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's right around way thirties. That's
Speaker 2: where I've got him as an early second.
Speaker 5: I got a fear, man.
Speaker 2: So what do you think, Brian?
Speaker 3: This guy plays with a burst, and I mean he
Speaker 3: tends to get the ball from a stationary position out
Speaker 3: of the shotgun, and then he starts downhill and he
Speaker 3: does a really good job of getting to and through
Speaker 3: the whole. The vision, the creativity to navigate through the defense,
Speaker 3: I think, the pad level, the balance. That's why I
Speaker 3: kind of saw when he watched me he looks like
Speaker 3: DeMarco Murray, Like say, it kind of runs like him.
Speaker 3: That that kind of style. Hard to knock off his feet,
Speaker 3: he keeps his momentum going forward. He could finish runs,
Speaker 3: contact balance, power to run through arm tackles, put a
Speaker 3: foot in the ground, make a read boom go zone runner.
Speaker 3: It's not going to make him miss a lot, but
Speaker 3: there are snaps where he broke in the open field
Speaker 3: and was run down. I worry about that. We saw
Speaker 3: that a little bit from DeMarco Murray at times as well.
Speaker 3: But he does a great job of catching the football.
Speaker 3: He's quick to take a pass then get up the field.
Speaker 3: He could pass protect too. He's got some pop to
Speaker 3: his game. So his running style, like to say, you know,
Speaker 3: it tends to be a little upright, not going to
Speaker 3: blow you away with his speed, Very steady, very productive
Speaker 3: type of guy that wears you down when you hand
Speaker 3: him the football.
Speaker 4: Miko, Yeah, he's He's my RB three behind JENSI and Johnson.
Speaker 4: Bulldozer is what I wrote down for him. I mean,
Speaker 4: in pass pro and in the run game. This is
Speaker 4: a guy who's going to set the tone for you
Speaker 4: coming out of the backfield, chips, pass protection. He's excellent,
Speaker 4: and I think these guys hit on the hit the
Speaker 4: nail on the head. When in terms of speed, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not breakaway speed, it's not you know, like I
Speaker 4: still my mind goes back to that Quid shot Judkins
Speaker 4: breakaway run in the National Championship game where he kind
Speaker 4: of gets hawked down. I think that if that's a
Speaker 4: Marian Hampton in that situation, he's going to score. So
Speaker 4: you know, it's plenty serviceable, and I think that it's
Speaker 4: definitely something that you can work with. But the only
Speaker 4: knock that I had on him is sometimes he gets
Speaker 4: a little bit too patient in trying to let plays develop.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys caught that as well,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it comes back to bite him, but I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know too much about North Carolina's
Speaker 4: offensive line either, so I don't know if that's a
Speaker 4: product of them. But a good receiver out of the backfield,
Speaker 4: smart player, so I like him a lot.
Speaker 2: I knocked his pass protection just a little bit, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't enough for me to be super concerned about it.
Speaker 2: I just put room to grow in past protection. If
Speaker 2: it wasn't for Ashton Genty and what he did at
Speaker 2: Boise State over these last couple of years, I think
Speaker 2: Hampton would be a household name because of what I
Speaker 2: think you need to learn about Johnson from Iowa, though
Speaker 2: he's fantastic, KAYLEB. Johnson is another name that we haven't
Speaker 2: necessarily touched on a whole lot. There's some good backs
Speaker 2: in this trip. Absolutely. I know watching always talk about
Speaker 2: you know Harvey from Central Florida. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 2: might not be everybody's cup of tea, but watch him
Speaker 2: play kids. Impressive, no doubt. All Right, that does it
Speaker 2: for us here on the Draft Show. Hope you had
Speaker 2: some fun with this or with us this week as
Speaker 2: we break down whether or not mister Walker from Georgia
Speaker 2: is a linebacker or an edge rusher. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: it again on Tuesday till us in the chain if
Speaker 2: he's an edge rusher or a linebacker for Tommy ours.
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