Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama Girl Drama Girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
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Speaker 1: Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama Queens Okay, Season seven, Episode ten,
Speaker 1: You are a Runner and I Am my father's son.
Speaker 1: Air date November sixteenth, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Hey, Drama Queens, you have me and mister Robert Buckley
Speaker 2: and mister Paul Joe Hanson, who directed this episode.
Speaker 1: Say hello to your fans, Paul.
Speaker 3: Hello to my fans, and not hello to the other people.
Speaker 4: Well played. Well, let's just start, let's set the tone
Speaker 4: at Petty and just run with it.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a little Dan Scottish, Paul.
Speaker 1: Will you read the synopsis for.
Speaker 3: Nathan reaches the breaking point with Clay, causing a rift
Speaker 3: between Haley and Quinn. Quinn is played by right everyone
Speaker 3: remember that? And uh, let's see Brook comes clean with
Speaker 3: Julian about her worries regarding his growing connection to Alex.
Speaker 1: You're always just ornery on purpose always meanwhile skills.
Speaker 3: I wonder how I got that name. Pursues a new
Speaker 3: career in Los Angeles, California, on the West Coast, and
Speaker 3: Millicent's drug problems worsened.
Speaker 4: We saw that coming, boy, oh boy, did we ever?
Speaker 4: Directed by the incomparable Paul Johansson Paul Elizabeth Johansson Old
Speaker 4: p e J.
Speaker 3: Paul Been.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm so glad you could be here for
Speaker 4: this episode, Paul, because especially after watching it, it's just
Speaker 4: a perfect one. Because this was also really the first
Speaker 4: time you and I ever interacted.
Speaker 1: This is the first time as.
Speaker 4: Character and also pretty much is human being.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be your friend, but you really were
Speaker 3: not interested. So it's to work with.
Speaker 4: You, you know.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: I was capped off at friends who were a little
Speaker 4: older than me, and so I just you got waitlisted,
Speaker 4: but you made it eventually we got there. You also
Speaker 4: drowned me on our first day of work, so like,
Speaker 4: don't make it sound like you came in being charming
Speaker 4: and sweet. Okay, do you remember that scene? Do you
Speaker 4: remember shooting it?
Speaker 3: I remember everything about that scene and remember how they
Speaker 3: were more concerned about the cameras than they were about
Speaker 3: you and I getting swept away into the What happened, Well,
Speaker 3: it was just it wasn't calm. It was a bit wavy,
Speaker 3: and but you know, but look, these the crew is fantastic.
Speaker 3: They were awesome. They were really cool. But the water
Speaker 3: was always nice, right, water was wasn't that? It was
Speaker 3: pretty good. It was actually fun day to get on
Speaker 3: the waves and kind of like blow as much time
Speaker 3: there as you could before you had to go back
Speaker 3: in the studio.
Speaker 4: And it was funny because I remember you saying you
Speaker 4: had your hand. Your wrist was really bothering you at
Speaker 4: the time, and you said, hey, why my wrist has
Speaker 4: really bothered me? And I I said, oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: no worries. I'll you know, be off it, be ginger
Speaker 4: with it. And then I realized the only thing I
Speaker 4: had to hold on to was your wrist. So it
Speaker 4: was this game of me balancing getting drowned and also
Speaker 4: being so delicate with one of your raisks.
Speaker 3: So wasn't I'm here.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, but I was grabbing your it right, yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I was worried about choking. You were
Speaker 3: worried about hurting you too.
Speaker 1: Those seemed like hard scenes to shoot. When you're pretending
Speaker 1: to drown someone in the ocean. It's not even a
Speaker 1: controlled environment, like if you're on a sound stage with
Speaker 1: it with a tub or something like that seems really difficult.
Speaker 3: Except the thing is with him was I didn't he
Speaker 3: it would look bad. I think if you just kind
Speaker 3: of made himself fall into the water. So I do
Speaker 3: remember being a little bit kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm a bit playful, But I remember
Speaker 3: kind of like sweeping his feet one time until he splashed.
Speaker 1: Rob did that piss you off?
Speaker 4: I didn't remember that. I didn't remember that I swept
Speaker 4: your feet one time. I think it's a great choice.
Speaker 4: I wonder how I felt. It's about it because I
Speaker 4: was curious about Paul coming into this, like because like
Speaker 4: I said, we hadn't really had any off camera time together.
Speaker 3: Are you scared?
Speaker 4: I would say it was a mix of, uh, there was.
Speaker 4: There was probably an elephant, excuse me, an elephant, an
Speaker 4: element of intimidation because you you had been there a while,
Speaker 4: and you're also you you know, you're lovable, but you're dickish,
Speaker 4: and so I didn't know how to read that at first,
Speaker 4: like I didn't know if it was. Of course, back
Speaker 4: then I was taking everything personally, so it was does
Speaker 4: he not like me? Is this just the way he riffs?
Speaker 4: So it wasn't until the second time you directed an
Speaker 4: episode that I really had a moment where I realized, Oh,
Speaker 4: he's as a director. You gave me a really good
Speaker 4: note and I and I just remember thinking, oh, like
Speaker 4: he's he has a lot to say and to teach me. Okay,
Speaker 4: this guy can this guy can be a teacher, like
Speaker 4: this is okay. It was great, It was really helpful.
Speaker 4: But yeah, early early days, I was very much like,
Speaker 4: don't know, don't know.
Speaker 3: I do want to comment on that idea because I
Speaker 3: think Joyce brought it up, and I think some of
Speaker 3: the other actors have too. And that's the on set
Speaker 3: way for me not to get snidly whiplash bad guy
Speaker 3: mode head where I'm just being bad in the character.
Speaker 3: Is to make it fun for me to be bad.
Speaker 3: And I know you understand that because you do it
Speaker 3: too when you're in the work and you have to
Speaker 3: do things that are outside of your I'm Canadian, so
Speaker 3: I apologize for everything all the time.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 3: So in order to get away from that as an actor,
Speaker 3: because it's really not serving me as an actor to
Speaker 3: constantly apologize when I'm playing a character that doesn't even
Speaker 3: know what the word apology means. It's I try to
Speaker 3: make it playful for me so that when you say that,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you said dickish or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: that is true, But that's a way of tapping into
Speaker 3: a way my brain for me to make the character
Speaker 3: kind of more have a twinkle in my eye as
Speaker 3: I do the stuff like them doing. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, every character has to be approached differently,
Speaker 1: and when you play a character like that for so
Speaker 1: many years, on and on and on. Yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: got to be ways to sort of figure out how
Speaker 1: do I how do I stay in this zone but
Speaker 1: also not just fall into misery about like living in
Speaker 1: the life of the brain of this character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also for you guys too on the
Speaker 3: set and for the crew the other people that have
Speaker 3: to be around like a Dan Scott kind of character,
Speaker 3: to when you're walking around and you're kind of being
Speaker 3: a little bit playful in between scenes, so that because
Speaker 3: that energy, as I said, in many other podcasts, especially
Speaker 3: with you Joy. I think I've said before is it's
Speaker 3: it's kind of can be misconstrued as me now I
Speaker 3: am kind of super I love to test boundaries sometimes.
Speaker 3: I like to see I don't want to know who
Speaker 3: they are. I do enjoy that process. But the truth is,
Speaker 3: and this is gonna I'm going to get Robert's gonna
Speaker 3: like laugh and his his you know, pink fur or
Speaker 3: yellow fur coats about it, like a ripped in pieces
Speaker 3: because he's not gonna believe this. I'm actually super shy,
Speaker 3: I really am. And so all of that is like
Speaker 3: a Jim Carrey kind of way of making me not
Speaker 3: have to be me in order to play able to
Speaker 3: play the part. If it makes.
Speaker 1: Anything, Yeah, I think that's intrinsic to a lot of
Speaker 1: artists and the idea of pushing boundaries and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think so many artists are like that.
Speaker 1: We try and figure out what the boundaries are so
Speaker 1: that we know how to play, we know how far
Speaker 1: we can go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's you're always testing the fence, you know.
Speaker 4: Do you remember Jurassic Park that you metaphor making and
Speaker 4: they say what's wrong with the fence and they say, Oh,
Speaker 4: the veloci raptors are constantly testing the fence, looking for
Speaker 4: a weakness. It's like, yeah, always always testing. And by
Speaker 4: the way, when I say dittish, I don't mean mean
Speaker 4: you just like you freely give shit. And I was
Speaker 4: a new kid on, you know, in school, and so
Speaker 4: I was just and you know, back, I was just
Speaker 4: constantly like, what's the read? Does this person like me?
Speaker 4: Not like me? Whoa what did he do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And so it was like I just took me a
Speaker 4: while to figure you. It took me longer to figure
Speaker 4: you out. And also we only had work where we
Speaker 4: were antagonists, Like we only had we never like we're
Speaker 4: like joy and I like we had loving scenes which
Speaker 4: also give us more time to talk and to be warm.
Speaker 4: It was like I saw you for a scene you
Speaker 4: drowned me. I saw you for a scene I told
Speaker 4: you to off. It was like they gave us no
Speaker 4: opportunities for like sweet bonding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a surprise on the beach when you
Speaker 1: looked up and you're like sorry, you just keep moving.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to acknowledge you.
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever read what the fans were saying
Speaker 3: about that move on the beach.
Speaker 4: No, no, never read all this up there writing.
Speaker 3: No, it built sympathy for you. It built huge like
Speaker 3: it built a really good kind of like people were
Speaker 3: seeing a side where because you're usually like totally in
Speaker 3: charge and then somebody's coming in and going, yeah, how's
Speaker 3: water taste? You know, and boom boom, you know. So
Speaker 3: it's kind of sort of building people to understand a
Speaker 3: little more sympathetic towards your character, I thought.
Speaker 1: But here my question is did this I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess we'll bounce around a little bit. But since we're
Speaker 1: talking about this and you know, Clay has gotten fired
Speaker 1: from being Nathan's agent, he's also been fired now in
Speaker 1: front of Nathan and Haley and his other bosses from
Speaker 1: his agency, I'm not sure I understood the purpose of
Speaker 1: this moment in the story of Dan drowning Clay or
Speaker 1: Foe drowning Clay and being like your new life starts today,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I get that's stick right now. But
Speaker 1: Clay at the end then goes and gives a speech
Speaker 1: to Nathan and he's apologizing, and I'm not wouldn't he
Speaker 1: have done that anyway? Like, did it really accomplish anything
Speaker 1: different for Clay being drowned.
Speaker 4: I hadn't. I had the opposite experience of you. It
Speaker 4: made complete sense to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me, well, Dan is still.
Speaker 4: Looking out for his son, even though he wants nothing
Speaker 4: to do with him. He used a talk show to
Speaker 4: get rid of the renee problem. He found out Clay misstepped,
Speaker 4: and he checked Clay real hard. And what was interesting
Speaker 4: about that scene was there was scary Dan. But then
Speaker 4: as he's as Clay's like you're alone, I did walking away,
Speaker 4: Dan hits him with some serious life coaching. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he and he tells him, like, you want to be
Speaker 4: an agent, go be an agent. So it's it wasn't malice.
Speaker 4: It was a wake up call. It was done in
Speaker 4: a very Dan Scott way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did it work? Like was Clay all? Was
Speaker 1: Clay mopey enough that he was going to quit?
Speaker 4: And like, I don't know about that because his makes
Speaker 4: a point of saying, I made a promise to my
Speaker 4: dead wife that I'm never going to quit. But you
Speaker 4: can't argue that. Like it shook him up, It got
Speaker 4: his attention, and it it certainly didn't take away any
Speaker 4: fire under his butt, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 4: So to me, while you know it was wildly aggressive
Speaker 4: and unexpected, like it's it kind of fit perfectly for
Speaker 4: me in Dan Scott's trajectory.
Speaker 1: Paul, how did you direct something like that when you
Speaker 1: have to be in it? How do you know that
Speaker 1: you're getting the material that you want and you're getting
Speaker 1: the shots that you want.
Speaker 3: You have to buy into it. You have to you
Speaker 3: have to buy into what the writers are leading you
Speaker 3: to because if you have any reservations about shooting it
Speaker 3: in trying, I'm going to try to you know, d
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what it is is take
Speaker 3: take the fangs out of this scene and just make
Speaker 3: it kind of work for me in a way. A
Speaker 3: lot of times I think you're in this type of
Speaker 3: tell you have to know who your audience is, right
Speaker 3: in this type of scenario, you I think you have
Speaker 3: to just fully buy into what they're attempting to do
Speaker 3: and give the bublocity to it that exists. And I
Speaker 3: really didn't feel like I would be doing a good
Speaker 3: job with this scene if I was like to, you know,
Speaker 3: to really play you know, underplay it or maybe not
Speaker 3: such a big thing. But I just went for it
Speaker 3: with Augusta, thinking, you know what, the audience is gonna
Speaker 3: love this. You know, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna
Speaker 3: they a lot of things that we do in that
Speaker 3: show that you have to believe they're gonna buy, and
Speaker 3: they have to buy that this is and I do
Speaker 3: what I always do, which is as as he very
Speaker 3: appropriately pointed out, the justification from Dan's side, from a
Speaker 3: racion actor, was all about my son. It was all
Speaker 3: about what's going to be good for him in the
Speaker 3: long run, and getting this guy, you know, on board
Speaker 3: in the right way is going to be good for longle.
Speaker 3: Directing wise, I will say this, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: putting together. Uh God, whenever we shoot with water or animals,
Speaker 3: it's going to be logistically a nightmare and you're going
Speaker 3: to be there all day. So I just wanted to
Speaker 3: make it simple. But I wanted to make it, you know,
Speaker 3: look like I put in you know, the right amount
Speaker 3: of understanding. You know, I didn't want to do too
Speaker 3: many underwater things or crazy shots. Just get the shots
Speaker 3: and let's get onto the next scene. Don't overdo it.
Speaker 3: It didn't seem the big thing other than I know
Speaker 3: that the camera has be waterproofs, so I wanted to
Speaker 3: be at the beach for a shot before that so
Speaker 3: that they could have time to set up the second
Speaker 3: camera to go to the water, so we weren't just
Speaker 3: waiting around. So I did a scene before I did
Speaker 3: that scene so they'd be able to set up the
Speaker 3: underwater rig so when we finished, we could go right
Speaker 3: to it and not have to wait around.
Speaker 1: You always were very efficient with your time management as
Speaker 1: a director. That is true.
Speaker 4: You popped on your producer hat and got real efficient
Speaker 4: with your setups.
Speaker 3: I put the druma Queen's audience to sleep those more
Speaker 3: about the personality it.
Speaker 4: Killed with Joy and I. Our audience may have tuned out,
Speaker 4: but Joy and I were hanging on everywhere.
Speaker 3: They're a sophisticated audience we have. This is what so
Speaker 3: great about this audience. They're just you know, they're curious,
Speaker 3: and you know, my favorite people are curious people. You know.
Speaker 3: I love that about that they want to know everything.
Speaker 1: While we're talking about Dan, because I have a question
Speaker 1: about this. So in this episode, Rachel goes with Dan
Speaker 1: back to tree Hill and she's standing in the high
Speaker 1: school hallway. She asks him Dan to meet her there
Speaker 1: and says, we should shoot an episode here in the
Speaker 1: hallway where you killed your brother. And Dan's response is
Speaker 1: so wide eyed, and Rachel's being so obviously entitled and
Speaker 1: just has this general disdain for humanity that feels so palpable.
Speaker 1: Can you give us an insight into it? Seems so anti?
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan's so smart, he's so calculated. How does
Speaker 1: he not see that she's being so manipulative? Or does
Speaker 1: he see it and he's playing her too? Like, why
Speaker 1: between just the two of you, would you have had
Speaker 1: this sort of doe eide response of like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, that might be really I don't know what
Speaker 1: the line was that you said, but your whole demeanor
Speaker 1: was very sincere and sort of doe eyed, and Rachel
Speaker 1: was being so obviously villainous.
Speaker 4: It was Rachel pitches the idea, and you take a beat, Paul,
Speaker 4: and then you say a little insensitive, isn't it? And
Speaker 4: without skipping a beat, she says, not as insensitive as
Speaker 4: murdering your brother.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first off, I do sometimes like to
Speaker 3: give credit for our A lot of our writing team
Speaker 3: really sometimes would give us some very interesting things to
Speaker 3: do with and I thought that was a pretty interesting choice.
Speaker 3: I always played Dan. The one secret I always played
Speaker 3: with Dan was he's in the know. Dan is never
Speaker 3: not in the note. So the fact that I'm aware
Speaker 3: of what she's doing exploiting a terrible, terrible school shooting
Speaker 3: and a huge, huge issue that I had with even
Speaker 3: shooting the scene in the first place, and having to
Speaker 3: kind of roll over in my head as a as
Speaker 3: a human being to play the part that would do that,
Speaker 3: and then seeing well, look, you know, you if you
Speaker 3: point out ugly things to the world, then people can
Speaker 3: see that there's there's broken people in the world that
Speaker 3: do terrible things. And as opposed to you know, being
Speaker 3: unaware or we have to be sophisticated in our approach
Speaker 3: to to horrific in humanities that our planet and pretending
Speaker 3: them away in television does nobody at a good job,
Speaker 3: a good service. So I was okay with with with
Speaker 3: my character pulling that off. I didn't, you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't anticipate it being such a you know, a profound
Speaker 3: thing and actually saving the show from, you know, from
Speaker 3: being canceled.
Speaker 1: It's from what I understand, Oh the oh, the shootings. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so now when we're talking about exploiting that
Speaker 3: as a person. My first so that was, ooh, this
Speaker 3: is gonna be touchy. How am I going to do this?
Speaker 3: And then I thought about it from the character's point
Speaker 3: of view, and he you know, I don't think Dan
Speaker 3: has the same motivation as her. In the end, in
Speaker 3: a weird way, they're both using each other. She's using me, money, fame, glory.
Speaker 1: So Dan knows. Dan's fully aware and so but there's
Speaker 1: an agreement.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like the Rachel Dan marriage, they sat
Speaker 3: down and negotiated, they didn't fall in up.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: I always felt that, you know, Yeah, part of the
Speaker 3: negotiation wasn't that I was exploit my brother's killing situation
Speaker 3: and you know that this is not in the contract
Speaker 3: kind of a woman. I feel like that's the way
Speaker 3: that I had dealt with in my head. Does that
Speaker 3: make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And can I say as a viewer, I liked it
Speaker 4: because I this season has done a good job of
Speaker 4: blurring the line on whether Dan has changed or he's
Speaker 4: still the same guy with a great hustle. And I
Speaker 4: liked this line because it was a moment to me
Speaker 4: where I was I couldn't figure out whether I was
Speaker 4: getting a peak behind the curtain at who he is becoming,
Speaker 4: or if it's just it's just a great long con hustle.
Speaker 3: I think we have to play that that line, that balanced,
Speaker 3: stay on that line if I ever commit to either
Speaker 3: side on that line. Which was part of my conversation
Speaker 3: with the creatives was that I can't truly show that
Speaker 3: either I'm this is all a big act, or that
Speaker 3: I've actually converted. I have to balance the line as
Speaker 3: often as I can, as close as I can, to
Speaker 3: not let me not even know which side of that
Speaker 3: line I'm on, so that it creates a more compelling,
Speaker 3: you know, dramatic twist for the series.
Speaker 1: It works, It really works. I mean, it's why he's
Speaker 1: one of the great villains of television.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I loved about this rule. You know,
Speaker 3: you guys have all these incredible interactions with each other,
Speaker 3: and you're all the same age, and you're all you know,
Speaker 3: you're having kids and falling in love and you're doing
Speaker 3: this and all these things. And I get this character
Speaker 3: that kind of gets all these incredibly nuanced things that
Speaker 3: have to be you know, kind of winterwoven. So I
Speaker 3: really that's why I was so grateful to be able
Speaker 3: to play the part.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fun to watch. I mean, it's really
Speaker 1: fun to sit and try and figure out what am
Speaker 1: I watching? Like, what am I seeing? Is this a
Speaker 1: person who is like you said, Rob, Has he changed
Speaker 1: or has he This is a long game. This is
Speaker 1: a long game hustle, And I'm really enjoying the interaction
Speaker 1: between Dan and Rachel. That is that is the biggest
Speaker 1: surprise of this whole season that I never knew I
Speaker 1: needed in my life, but because when the show was airing,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't watching it at the time. By
Speaker 1: then I was in my own world and just going
Speaker 1: to work and doing my job. So to come now
Speaker 1: and watch it, Oh, it's so satisfying.
Speaker 5: And let's give her some credit, Daniel some credit, because yeah,
Speaker 5: I like, really love actually working with people that roll
Speaker 5: with my insanity. So when I'm as seen as Dan
Speaker 5: and I can't always tell you where it's going, She's
Speaker 5: always like one step with me.
Speaker 3: She's she's never not picking up on what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: She's going, oh, that's what we're doing, then let's do it.
Speaker 3: She's so game as an actress that it made it
Speaker 3: super fun and super sort of fresh. Every scene was
Speaker 3: so fresh because she she knows her stuff.
Speaker 1: She's she's fully always prepared.
Speaker 3: When you wake up and go to the set for
Speaker 3: suing Reek through the lines, she's off book like that
Speaker 3: the way that I like to work and ready to
Speaker 3: roll man, and I just I love that about her,
Speaker 3: and it made that playing that character in that season
Speaker 3: so much more fun.
Speaker 4: You know, well, you guys, Shine, I mean, I take
Speaker 4: notes obviously for this for every episode, and at least
Speaker 4: half of the episodes there's just a random note that's like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, Paul is so compelling, you know, Dan is quickly.
Speaker 4: It's funny because when you know, we started doing conventions,
Speaker 4: I had a little backstory. I've never or like, I
Speaker 4: don't know the show. When I signed on, I quickly
Speaker 4: binged I think five and six, but I've never seen
Speaker 4: one through four. So when this podcast opportunity came around,
Speaker 4: I've said I'm basically approaching this as a first time viewer,
Speaker 4: because when the show ended, I was like, great, done,
Speaker 4: never going back. So I am now watching this basically
Speaker 4: as a first time viewer. And so when we were
Speaker 4: doing conventions and I would see so many people loving
Speaker 4: your character and all I knew was sort of the
Speaker 4: big broad strokes. I think that's so interesting. And I
Speaker 4: got to say, now that I'm actually watching it as
Speaker 4: a viewer, I totally get it because even though you've
Speaker 4: done some bad things, I'm like, but I'm interested. When
Speaker 4: he's on the screen, my eyes go to him. I
Speaker 4: want to know what he's up to. I'm on for
Speaker 4: the ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you kill it man, and Daniel does as well.
Speaker 4: You two together are so much fun to watch well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Nathan and Haley have really one
Speaker 3: of my favorite dynamics. And for me working with Joy,
Speaker 3: I think that's what that's how we became friends was
Speaker 3: because we just had such a good professional you know,
Speaker 3: chemistry or characters. Was so interesting to watch Dan and
Speaker 3: Ailey scenes and I haaling that alien Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. We had a lot of fun. It
Speaker 1: was it was easy, I mean talk about just rolling
Speaker 1: with it like we I think we recognized that in
Speaker 1: each other and that's always a fun thing to encounter
Speaker 1: in an actor.
Speaker 3: Did you have Greek chemistry with Robert? Like did you
Speaker 3: figure your character had the best chemistry with like you know.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean I would say by virtue of our relationship,
Speaker 4: I mean Sean Tell and I because we we we
Speaker 4: went into it sort of in like we got thrown
Speaker 4: into a foxhole together. We were the only two new
Speaker 4: people and we had most of our stuff together, so
Speaker 4: we bonded real quick, and then we just developed kind
Speaker 4: of a nice shorthand and it made the work very easy,
Speaker 4: very natural. I really enjoyed working with James.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, like you were so
Speaker 1: easy to watch on camera.
Speaker 4: It worked. And it's funny because James. I have a
Speaker 4: couple friends in my life who, for some reason, when
Speaker 4: I get around them, it's like catnip. I can't help,
Speaker 4: but just the just want to make them laugh. And
Speaker 4: I'm like hyper and James is one of the I
Speaker 4: thinks because he's he's pretty quiet still, you know, just
Speaker 4: it brings out like my inner kid, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: let's let's laugh together.
Speaker 1: So you just want to poke him like hey, hey,
Speaker 1: hey hey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was always trying to make him laugh and do
Speaker 4: the outrageous. So yeah, he's a great humor.
Speaker 3: He laughs really easily. He's so easy to be around. Yes,
Speaker 3: one person that each of you and I intoer this
Speaker 3: too would have loved more.
Speaker 1: Scenes with Oh gosh, well Dan, I mean you and
Speaker 1: I would we would have had way more fun. But
Speaker 1: I mean it was so so few and far between
Speaker 1: when we actually did get to interact together.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 4: I found myself. It's funny because we watched this episode,
Speaker 4: I didn't remember it all that you and I had
Speaker 4: a scene in the bar where I'm drinking and You're like,
Speaker 4: this isn't what I meant by get your life together,
Speaker 4: you know, and then you invite me to have a
Speaker 4: drink with you, And so I didn't remember the scene
Speaker 4: at all, and I thought this, I want to see
Speaker 4: this scene. I want to see these two dudes sit
Speaker 4: down and talk. They both got history, they have a
Speaker 4: shaky relationship. They've only met once and it was during
Speaker 4: a drowning. I want to see this scene. So I
Speaker 4: would have loved I would have loved to have seen
Speaker 4: more of Clay and Dan. Although I will say honorable
Speaker 4: mention Victoria. Oh yeah, dude, she's an assassin. I would
Speaker 4: love to watch the banter between Clay and Victoria.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, if I had one
Speaker 3: character on the show, I would have liked to had
Speaker 3: more scenes with because it would have been deaf.
Speaker 1: They could have created such an amazing storyline for the
Speaker 1: two of you for some reason to get into koohoots
Speaker 1: together about something that would have been a ball to
Speaker 1: watch Dan and Victoria have to try and one up
Speaker 1: each other try, you know, negotiating something or I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: speaking of negotiating and.
Speaker 4: Good segue, Joyce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say there's some real bad agent ing
Speaker 1: happening in this episode. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get from Clay's perspective that he's like, you know, holding
Speaker 1: out for the best. But Millie getting an agent and
Speaker 1: the agent asking for five hundred thousand dollars for a
Speaker 1: post campaign, like she's already done it, She's already worked
Speaker 1: for free. I'm so confused.
Speaker 4: Listen, this is this is going to be an unpopular opinion.
Speaker 4: Probably I can't stand this storyline. Yeah, please, Also don't
Speaker 4: hear what I'm not saying. I love Lisa Goldstein, and
Speaker 4: she did this role as well as you could have,
Speaker 4: as well as anyone could have. She did great, But
Speaker 4: this is just such a heavy handed after school special
Speaker 4: cautionary tale where where they've even changed. It was sort
Speaker 4: of like, like I said, like they etcha sketched her
Speaker 4: character and we're like, give us a cliche model. True,
Speaker 4: Like she's done one thing for Brooke. She has an
Speaker 4: agent asking for half a million dollars. She's already doing
Speaker 4: cocaine to keep up with it. It's been like two
Speaker 4: weeks and she has completely hit rock bottom. Like, what
Speaker 4: the what? What the hell is that? It was so dumb? Also,
Speaker 4: come on, you don't leave coke out in the open
Speaker 4: on the mirror. You put it away, You say it
Speaker 4: because that's precious to you, you know, And like you
Speaker 4: don't leave the dollar bill rolled up on the ground
Speaker 4: so much. And I was curious about how you felt
Speaker 4: about directing this, Dan, because I know it was all
Speaker 4: in the script.
Speaker 3: The same as the water. You you have to you
Speaker 3: have to buy into it, and you have to put
Speaker 3: it all on display, and you try to make it
Speaker 3: as real as you can and leave the judgment to
Speaker 3: the audience. You have to. You can't. You can't re
Speaker 3: envision things that you may not be fully on board with,
Speaker 3: and and then try to recreate the show for the
Speaker 3: for the creators. I think if I there's a feature film,
Speaker 3: we sit down, we talk it through, we work it
Speaker 3: out we cut what doesn't isn't essential, and we say,
Speaker 3: can we play this instead of show this? Is there
Speaker 3: a way we can play this as an artist, as
Speaker 3: an actor? Can the actress play this instead of indicate
Speaker 3: with all these little things around her? Can she be
Speaker 3: demanded as an actress to go inside and show us
Speaker 3: the trimoal she's going through, the depth of the pain,
Speaker 3: the frustration with these choices. Is she doing the right
Speaker 3: thing all that through her behavior without it being as
Speaker 3: you said, you know, these these these these are cliche troubles.
Speaker 3: But I can't do that as a hired gun on
Speaker 3: a show that has asked me to facilitate their ideas.
Speaker 3: It's not a battle I want to take on, and
Speaker 3: it's not appropriate for me to do that. I took
Speaker 3: the job. So what I do is I go, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's put everything they've asked for in here. Let's do
Speaker 3: our very very best. Let's give them plenty of coverage
Speaker 3: so that they can cut around what isn't working, and
Speaker 3: let's just tell, you know, talk to your actors and say,
Speaker 3: do me one favor, Do not lie, Just tell the truth.
Speaker 3: If you don't touch it, if that if you don't
Speaker 3: know how to hold a rolled up you know, one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars bill to do your blow. Don't touch it.
Speaker 3: Just do your scene as truthfully knownice as you can,
Speaker 3: and we'll make it look great for you. We're going
Speaker 3: to protect you. I don't want anybody faking it. So
Speaker 3: that's the only way you can get through a scene
Speaker 3: like that. Does it make sense.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things about you as a director,
Speaker 1: because I have we worked with so many on the show,
Speaker 1: and I've worked with directors who feel awkward about the
Speaker 1: material and they lean into they lean more into their
Speaker 1: shots and more they just kind of try and almost
Speaker 1: stay away from the material, like pretend like it's not there,
Speaker 1: and they focus more on the lighting and the shots,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, just get through the scene and
Speaker 1: then we'll move on. And you always lean into it,
Speaker 1: which seems so counterintuitive, but actually by pushing in and
Speaker 1: making it much more human and just about the human
Speaker 1: interaction that's happening between the people, then the sets don't matter,
Speaker 1: the lighting doesn't matter, the costumes do't matter. Nothing else
Speaker 1: matters except the emotions that that the two people in
Speaker 1: the scene, or however many are feeling. And I will
Speaker 1: buy almost anything in that scenario, and I learned that
Speaker 1: from you. It's really such a valuable lesson as an artist,
Speaker 1: and that's what we see here in this scene.
Speaker 3: I just want to thank you for being such giving
Speaker 3: me such a beautiful compliment. It means everything.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's so true, and that's what we see in
Speaker 1: this scene. A Lee did such a beautiful job. I
Speaker 1: was really he was so still, he was so un
Speaker 1: I mean, he was disturbed, not flustered. You know, we're
Speaker 1: used to seeing mouth be I think flustered is a
Speaker 1: word I think of with him a lot. And to
Speaker 1: see him grounded in his place as a human and
Speaker 1: a friend and a fellow traveler in life in a
Speaker 1: really grounded way, and just watching this unfold with someone
Speaker 1: that he really loves, and he wasn't trying to fix it.
Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to solve it. He was just present.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of conversations you and he
Speaker 1: had on set, but that was beautiful work from him.
Speaker 3: Well, he's holding callfield to me in the series anyway,
Speaker 3: because in that you know, the alter ego, somebody is
Speaker 3: an observer. Maybe he's journaling this whole thing in his head.
Speaker 3: Is the way that I always look at him. That
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 1: I love that he's journaling and the whole show is
Speaker 1: in his head.
Speaker 3: I always thought of him like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, exploded my brain.
Speaker 4: We were the we were lost before Lost was lost. Guys,
Speaker 4: let me ask a quick question, Joy, because I I'm
Speaker 4: aware that I'm coming at this with a limited scope
Speaker 4: of the characters and their histories, but because you've spent
Speaker 4: more time with mill when you are watching this particular
Speaker 4: story arc, do you see any of Milly in it?
Speaker 1: I was looking for her and I didn't. And that's
Speaker 1: it goes back to what you were saying about the
Speaker 1: edge just sketch it. They just they used a character,
Speaker 1: they needed a storyline, and hers fit the best. At
Speaker 1: you know, somebody in the in the writer's room probably
Speaker 1: said what about Millie and it was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: that works great. And because of the time constraints and
Speaker 1: all the other storylines that were happening in the way
Speaker 1: that those had to intersect, I think they just sped
Speaker 1: it all up. I just wish that when they first
Speaker 1: introduced Milly it's hins Hindsight's twenty twenty. I wish they
Speaker 1: had known when they brought Milly on the show that
Speaker 1: this is where they were going, so that something could
Speaker 1: have been set up a little earlier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it.
Speaker 1: Is what it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, planned a couple of seeds, Paul. One thing I
Speaker 4: noticed that I wanted to ask you about was there
Speaker 4: is a scene when Millie is an Alex his hotel room,
Speaker 4: rifling through her closet, And what I found really interesting
Speaker 4: was it looked like her makeup was done the same
Speaker 4: way that Alex's was when she kind of arrived in
Speaker 4: tree Hill, like it was very dark above the eye.
Speaker 4: Her hairstyle kind of reminded me of Alex's. And I
Speaker 4: was curious if there was was there a note anywhere
Speaker 4: in there of sort of because also in that same scene,
Speaker 4: I think Alex is wearing like a cute plaid outfit.
Speaker 1: It's not I switched roles.
Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering, And so I kind of questioned,
Speaker 4: are we doing a subtle freaky Friday here?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 4: What's happening?
Speaker 3: Was it single white female? What is the one where
Speaker 3: the girl takes up of her roommates agent?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that is what it was.
Speaker 4: But was that intentional?
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, I actually don't remember. This
Speaker 3: was how many years ago?
Speaker 4: Was this six? Paul? It's only been six I.
Speaker 3: Should know, And I really I've failed the podcast and
Speaker 3: I think I should be booted since I can't actually
Speaker 3: remember that. I do remember.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did in the production meetings and stuff.
Speaker 1: That seems like something that would have come up.
Speaker 3: But I know that that Lisa was such a gamer
Speaker 3: that she would have gone for it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was very proud of her. And I think that you
Speaker 3: know she you know where she came from, right, you
Speaker 3: know how she was, what her job was before working
Speaker 3: on our show. Do you guys know?
Speaker 1: Tell the fans for people who don't I don't.
Speaker 4: You don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I think she was snow white in disney World.
Speaker 1: And Jasmine and Bell. She was a Disney World girl.
Speaker 4: We got to have her on because I want to
Speaker 4: I need to know a lot about that.
Speaker 1: I know. I want to talk to Lisa.
Speaker 4: So perfect, Joey, you could have done that. You could
Speaker 4: still do that.
Speaker 1: I could still do that. This is my plan. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to retire and go to Disney World and
Speaker 1: be like, guys, just put me to princess dress. Let
Speaker 1: me hug little kids. That's all I want to do.
Speaker 3: Pollice, Yeah, No, I'm very I was very very thrilled
Speaker 3: with her work ethic and her willingness and and you know,
Speaker 3: you guys know, it's like it's there's a lot of
Speaker 3: I try to make it safe, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of ask to dig deeper and stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: she was so game. So although I don't remember the
Speaker 3: makeup question, which I think is really interesting, and there's
Speaker 3: something in my head that there was something about that,
Speaker 3: but I just can't be one hundred percent certain, but
Speaker 3: I was really proud of her work.
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot intentional about the makeup
Speaker 1: because I noticed under the darkness under her eyes that
Speaker 1: was happening. So whether that was something that y'all talked
Speaker 1: about in the production meeting or just something.
Speaker 3: That it was something about that that, yes, I just
Speaker 3: don't remember match Alex's look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she did great.
Speaker 4: It's something I noticed earlier. It was there's a scene
Speaker 4: with Antoine and Alison Munn Lauren, Oh, miss Lauren. So
Speaker 4: it's the scene where he wakes up and he rolls
Speaker 4: over to check his phone and she says, Antoine, what
Speaker 4: are you doing? And this was the first time I
Speaker 4: had ever heard his character's actual name. I didn't know
Speaker 4: they shared a namesake, and so I gasped, going, no
Speaker 4: freaking way they accidentally let his real name slip through
Speaker 4: the final cut, and then there's no dumb dwn. They
Speaker 4: just probably named the character Antoine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Antoine Taylor, not Antoine Tanner, but pretty.
Speaker 4: Close on Taylor.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Very I love that. Okay, cool, Yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: To see more of them. That was such a strange
Speaker 1: kind of random. I mean, hopefully we'll get to see
Speaker 1: more of that storyline develop. It seemed so bizarre that
Speaker 1: it was interjected. It didn't go anywhere, like nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess he was waiting for a phone call and
Speaker 1: then he gets the and then he gets the information,
Speaker 1: so it resolved. But I don't know. I'm curious as
Speaker 1: to where that's going. I wasn't sure what's happening with that,
Speaker 1: although it did make me really want to reinvigorate this
Speaker 1: idea of stopping by friends places or where they are
Speaker 1: just to ask a random question instead of texting people.
Speaker 1: I love this. He's got his phone, he could easily
Speaker 1: just call him, but he goes to the River Court
Speaker 1: I was like, man, why do I do that? More
Speaker 1: off to swing by my friend's houses and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you blah blah blah blah, buck,
Speaker 1: I'll see you later. So fun.
Speaker 4: Oh. I assumed that Julian had called him and they
Speaker 4: planned to meet at the river Court. Is that not
Speaker 4: how it went down?
Speaker 1: They probably did, but like for what, they had three
Speaker 1: lines and then Julian's like, I gotta go. This chick
Speaker 1: is text on me, Like, I don't know, it seems
Speaker 1: so strange.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, Poppins. Let's bring them back. People.
Speaker 3: One is so well liked. I remember even before One
Speaker 3: Tree Hill two thousand and three, when the show started.
Speaker 3: Before that, in the late nineties and early two thousands,
Speaker 3: we played in the NBA Entertainment League together with James,
Speaker 3: who I knew before the show, playing in that league.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3: We all knew each other from that. And you know,
Speaker 3: I was on a team with Leo DiCaprio and Toby
Speaker 3: maguire and all these actors Chris Kevin Connolly and James
Speaker 3: Is on an opposing team, and Antholin's on another team,
Speaker 3: and we're all like mortal enemies playing against each other
Speaker 3: and then we got here and was just like, oh man,
Speaker 3: we hated we hated you because we all played basketball together.
Speaker 3: We for Scott to and I was much older. But
Speaker 3: it was so great that we knew each other, you know,
Speaker 3: from a basketball life, and it really helped a lot,
Speaker 3: I think our in our time together working together because
Speaker 3: we had that shorthand like you guys say.
Speaker 4: Was that E League? Because I've heard of that before?
Speaker 4: This Entertainment League? Was it like Rayah where you have
Speaker 4: to have someone vouch for you to get in or
Speaker 4: do you have to be vetted before you can join it?
Speaker 1: That's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Train Tree. No, it wasn't a mental test either. Let's see. No,
Speaker 3: there's a there was you had. I think you had
Speaker 3: to be of some entertainment value to be part of
Speaker 3: the teams, but you could also be an agent or
Speaker 3: a manager, or a lawyer or something. He had to
Speaker 3: be in the entertainment industry. That's all it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of agent, I want to go back to this.
Speaker 1: What do you what's your perspective on this, Robert? Do
Speaker 1: you think that Clay should have locked up the deal
Speaker 1: or do you think that he did the right thing
Speaker 1: by holding out and you know case, I think.
Speaker 4: Clay took his eye off the ball. I think he
Speaker 4: had good intentions, but I think you gotta know that
Speaker 4: there's another thing going on. And it's just it's such
Speaker 4: a bad look to take your eye off the ball
Speaker 4: at a time when you have the one person he's
Speaker 4: asked you not to spend time with over and it's
Speaker 4: so it was so painful. And then you know they've
Speaker 4: been they've they kissed like all of a day ago,
Speaker 4: and Charity comes in like, Babe, do you have that
Speaker 4: bear for me? He's like, ah, not because you know,
Speaker 4: like I said, I think he's a good agent and
Speaker 4: that he was fighting for more because he believes in him.
Speaker 4: But I think you got you gotta be keeping your
Speaker 4: finger on the pulse of everything going on right there.
Speaker 3: Did you ask him to not say babe? Do you
Speaker 3: say just strike the babe part?
Speaker 4: I mean to me, it was a little it was
Speaker 4: a little heavy hand. I think my note was, first
Speaker 4: of all, it's pretty soon for pet names, uh, because
Speaker 4: if it feel like it's sort of like the Millie thing,
Speaker 4: it's like they've been they've been kissing, they've been more
Speaker 4: than friends for sixteen hours. And we're already dropping babes
Speaker 4: on each other.
Speaker 1: Babe, so casual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the Jerry Maguire, right, that's what we were
Speaker 3: fashioned after.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the wounded Jerry Maguire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nathan ran that scene though, man. I mean I
Speaker 1: love seeing him just plow in and be It broke
Speaker 1: my heart, like, after everything that he just went through
Speaker 1: with Renee and all the anxiety about losing his contract
Speaker 1: with the Bobcats and that he was all going to
Speaker 1: go away, and we were on the edge of our
Speaker 1: seats and we finally get this big win and Dan
Speaker 1: saves the day with Renee, and all of it just
Speaker 1: is all working out, and then the rug just gets
Speaker 1: ripped out from underneath us because Clay is doing what
Speaker 1: he should be doing. He's healing, he's moving on, He's
Speaker 1: like good things are happening in his life. And Quinn
Speaker 1: is getting, you know, this, this moment of joy and
Speaker 1: peace in her life after you know how difficult her
Speaker 1: marriage has been, and for everybody to finally be in
Speaker 1: a great place and have this happen, it feels it's
Speaker 1: so much like real life. I feel like that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff happens in real life all the time.
Speaker 4: And what's great about it is it's a it's a
Speaker 4: wonderful conflict because you can understand both parties point of view.
Speaker 4: Like they didn't make it easy to choose who was right.
Speaker 4: Nathan was completely in the right to be livid. Lay
Speaker 4: was also in the right to be fighting for what
Speaker 4: he believed Nathan's value was. So I like that they
Speaker 4: muddied the water. It wasn't some egregious error, yeah you know,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was great seeing Nathan come down hard.
Speaker 4: Which also it's funny because it's sort of even more
Speaker 4: lends to Dan drowning Clay because can you imagine the
Speaker 4: effort he went to to get Renee to build this
Speaker 4: whole ruse. He gambles his ass off, it pays off,
Speaker 4: he saves the day, and then this kid below his kids,
Speaker 4: his son's deal. So in rate huwugh love actually really
Speaker 4: makes sense for that scene.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'm glad you said that. It all came
Speaker 1: full circle to me now I get it.
Speaker 3: It's nice, isn't a joy?
Speaker 4: How did you guys feel about I don't mean as
Speaker 4: a director, Dan. Oh well, there's a lot of in
Speaker 4: this episode of Quinn telling Nathan and Haley that they
Speaker 4: need to be more understanding towards Clay, and it creates
Speaker 4: this really uncomfortable dynamic which eventually Nathan calls out with going,
Speaker 4: do you like living in my house for free?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, But it's also she has a point,
Speaker 4: you know, but it's that awkward thing of like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if this is the right time.
Speaker 1: No, she's pushing way too hard, and this is Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a great example of someone who feels out
Speaker 1: of control and they are looking for control somewhere to
Speaker 1: make themselves feel better about needing about like I can
Speaker 1: solve something. At least I can do something. And we've
Speaker 1: all done it. We have people in our lives who
Speaker 1: do it. It's I think, a super human thing to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, don't I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: It's you got and you got to be able to
Speaker 4: read the room, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my place.
Speaker 4: Literally two hours after he found out he lost a job.
Speaker 4: Is not the time to be going. Let's turn that
Speaker 4: other cheek.
Speaker 1: Also, like Haley's her sister, Nathan's been her brother in
Speaker 1: law for however many years they've been married now, it's
Speaker 1: five six years now, maybe ten I don't know, but
Speaker 1: a sorry fans for all of you who are mad
Speaker 1: at me for not knowing. I don't know how long
Speaker 1: they've been married, but yeah, and Quinn just started making
Speaker 1: out with this dude, Like why would she immediately take
Speaker 1: his side and be like against her family? But that
Speaker 1: is also it's a childish thing to do because you
Speaker 1: know your family safe and what are they going to leave?
Speaker 1: What are you going to leave?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Like, it's your family. So she can sort of push
Speaker 1: buttons and be on Clay's side because that's what she
Speaker 1: needs to do. She needs to feel like she's defending someone,
Speaker 1: a part of something that she belongs somewhere, because she's
Speaker 1: kind of floating around in life right now. So I
Speaker 1: think it checks with Quinn's personality, it checks out, it
Speaker 1: makes sense with where she's at in her life. But
Speaker 1: it was it was too heavy handed. I think I
Speaker 1: would have deferred much more of like a hey, listen,
Speaker 1: can we talk. These are my feelings. I think maybe
Speaker 1: you're emotional and you're overlooking some things. But the fact
Speaker 1: that we're in a bedroom. I had a visceral memory
Speaker 1: being in that bedroom filming that scene with Chantelle Paul.
Speaker 1: I feel like we did it like twelve times or something.
Speaker 1: But do you remember that too? The master took us
Speaker 1: so long?
Speaker 3: So long exactly? It's probably because I over blocked the
Speaker 3: scene or let you guys just do whatever you want,
Speaker 3: and then had to cover from nine different angles. I
Speaker 3: don't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was the energy was slow. I think
Speaker 1: it was. Actually we may have been trying to do
Speaker 1: what I just said, which was to slow down and
Speaker 1: have more of a reasonable conversation. And you you knew
Speaker 1: that it needed the energy and that it's okay for
Speaker 1: characters to be flawed, like we just.
Speaker 3: Have to fight a lot before we shot too, Yes,
Speaker 3: I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Did you find much on that show before we shot?
Speaker 3: I don't think we did.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't do a lot of rehearsal, but with
Speaker 1: that scene.
Speaker 3: I remember one scene we rehearsed for a long time,
Speaker 3: and then we changed it after we rehearsed it a
Speaker 3: bunch of times, so we decided was working. Do you
Speaker 3: know what scene it was?
Speaker 1: I thought it was that one.
Speaker 3: And Quinn and your other sister Lindseyndy by the pool. Oh,
Speaker 3: it was a different episode, but we had to rehearse
Speaker 3: that forever. Something wasn't clicking immediately. I think we were
Speaker 3: going so far so fast that we wasn't like feeling organic.
Speaker 3: We kept rehearsing, trying to figure it out. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you remember that scene.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I remember that going back to just pre this this
Speaker 4: bit when when Clay gets fired in front of your
Speaker 4: whole family, in front of you know, Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 4: It was funny, though, was the super German he does,
Speaker 4: like the Charlie Brown walk out of the house and
Speaker 4: he stops and he picks up a picture of all
Speaker 4: of them and then puts it face down on the counter.
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, that's so funny. That's such a listen.
Speaker 4: I'm like you, Paul. My north star is like, let's
Speaker 4: keep it honest. My north star is always how can
Speaker 4: this be as subtle and grounded and honest as possible.
Speaker 4: There is no way between the two of us that
Speaker 4: we thought that's a killer idea. That was one hundred
Speaker 4: percent in the script.
Speaker 1: A photo that's never been seen before on the countertop,
Speaker 1: on a part of the countertop where you never would
Speaker 1: put pictures anyway, Well, in my house, I wouldn't. No,
Speaker 1: it was absurd.
Speaker 4: The last thing you'd be doing in that moment, is
Speaker 4: spending any extra seconds in that house? Could you imagine
Speaker 4: that awkward tension in the room and you stopped to
Speaker 4: look at a photo. And then there's this other funny
Speaker 4: beat though, where Nate and Nathan asks Haley, hey, like
Speaker 4: he's he's questioning it. He goes, I don't know. Do
Speaker 4: you think I made the right decision firing Clay? And
Speaker 4: you take a beat and you go, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, on one hand, he's Clay. You guys have
Speaker 4: been friends for over a year, laughed toy Like, First
Speaker 4: of all, it's so funny that they wanted to write
Speaker 4: that into like tell the audience the timetable, but also
Speaker 4: that is not enough time to make that counteragent a year.
Speaker 4: You're new friends.
Speaker 1: Your new friends.
Speaker 3: Don't a network note to me, it does? It sounds
Speaker 3: like they to put that in.
Speaker 4: Completely, you know what I mean, because it works if
Speaker 4: you just if you drop the end of it, and
Speaker 4: it's just I don't know. On one hand, he's Clay. Boom,
Speaker 4: that's enough. Abben's is going to fill in the rest
Speaker 4: on their own. You don't need to tell them it's
Speaker 4: been three hundred and seventy two days of friendship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, that's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also thought it was really strange that he got
Speaker 1: fired in front of everybody, Like he shows up at
Speaker 1: the house and like, why couldn't they have just said it.
Speaker 1: Feels like it would have been professional for them to say,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this at the office, but they're just
Speaker 1: gonna fire you right there on the spot. It seemed
Speaker 1: like a pissing contest, which maybe maybe that's realistic. That's
Speaker 1: what it is, I guess.
Speaker 4: Well, and the weird thing too, is that Clay comes
Speaker 4: in hot at them. First, Clay comes in and goes, Nathan,
Speaker 4: this is this is BS. They're going to promise you
Speaker 4: the moon and under deliver. He's still their employee at
Speaker 4: that point. Yes, So it's odd because if you're a
Speaker 4: team player, even though you lose the client, you want
Speaker 4: the agency to keep it. So he's he's already on
Speaker 4: some loaner stuff, you know when he comes in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I think it was just sort of
Speaker 4: a pissing match and I'm going, cool, pack your shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah bye, And then they give the girl, the one,
Speaker 1: the one random girl, his assistant or whoever who gets
Speaker 1: one shot and she's like, sorry, Clay, we've never seen
Speaker 1: her before and we never see her again.
Speaker 4: Or the male agent they're like like like Kevin and
Speaker 4: I go shut up Kevin. Just a shot of him
Speaker 4: going shaking his head. Also, I didn't realize it. I
Speaker 4: think it's an easter egg. Do you realize Dan Scott
Speaker 4: is the creator of Clay's agency's name. Now in that
Speaker 4: scene of the drowning, you talk about fortitude. You're the
Speaker 4: one who says the word fortitude.
Speaker 3: Now I remember, and.
Speaker 4: I thought, oh my gosh, how funny. I never remembered
Speaker 4: that the egg was the seed was planted by Dan.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I thought Clay worked for Fortitude.
Speaker 4: No, that's the agency I create. Yeah, Clay, Clay starts
Speaker 4: up Fortitude.
Speaker 1: You're about to create Fortitude?
Speaker 4: Yes, correct.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. That's juicy.
Speaker 3: So the drowning full circle on this episode of Drama
Speaker 3: Queens is that the drowning names and the change did
Speaker 3: happen and all the things we asked the beginning of
Speaker 3: this episode were, you know, does it really to you?
Speaker 3: Did it change yound? It started a whole new company
Speaker 3: and in the direction and maybe a more commitment to
Speaker 3: his client's position on that situation.
Speaker 1: Dan Scott so complicated, such a villain and changing people's
Speaker 1: lives at the same time.
Speaker 4: I think what we're saying on a larger scale everyone is,
Speaker 4: if you are in some sort of rut in your life,
Speaker 4: have a friend, give you a light drowning, you know,
Speaker 4: shake things up a bit. It's gonna work out.
Speaker 1: Broken Victoria, I just want to make sure we touch
Speaker 1: on them because this storyline of broke not be you know,
Speaker 1: finding out that she can't have children. Hearing that from
Speaker 1: the doctor is so heartbreaking. Sophia did such a beautiful
Speaker 1: job in this scene. She always shows up when there's
Speaker 1: just especially with the real raw emotion. I mean, she
Speaker 1: just it broke my heart.
Speaker 4: She really.
Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking for that character. And the fact that she
Speaker 1: had Victoria come into town and Victoria says, you called me,
Speaker 1: and Brooks says, no, I didn't. She goes well, a
Speaker 1: midnight call with no message is a call, and Victoria
Speaker 1: shows up, and we really we start to see the
Speaker 1: beginnings of Brooke in Victoria as partners instead of two
Speaker 1: people who just hate each other and have no idea
Speaker 1: how to function with each other, and it was really
Speaker 1: exciting to see that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: My favorite scene in the episode of Honance with you. Yes,
Speaker 3: I thought they were both, you know, sublime.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the Brook and Julian scene when she
Speaker 1: confesses to him she can't have kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, they were so good in that scene. I'm
Speaker 4: glad that we didn't wrap the episode without talking about that.
Speaker 4: That scene was so well done. It was so gentle
Speaker 4: and honest and sweet. I thought they both crushed it.
Speaker 3: For the show. I don't think we had anybody have
Speaker 3: that problem for once real until then. Yeah, you need
Speaker 3: to get that.
Speaker 1: It felt so real that it seemed to me like
Speaker 1: it probably got shot very quickly, like they both were
Speaker 1: so dropped in. I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: mean I wasn't there. I don't remember you or no
Speaker 1: if you remember, but it just seems so simple and
Speaker 1: clean and.
Speaker 4: On a lighter note, Victoria at Trick telling Grubs after
Speaker 4: he correctly predicts her exact drink, I'm looking for a
Speaker 4: lover and you just made the list was probably the
Speaker 4: line of the episode for me.
Speaker 1: So great, so great. Victoria being toasty at closeover bros
Speaker 1: And leaning on all the clothing racks as she's talking.
Speaker 1: It was such a great example of acting drunk by
Speaker 1: acting sober. And then she goes to the bar and
Speaker 1: I love this barstool wrap up that we did too,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's just go although characters kind of
Speaker 1: having their own little moment. But then, yeah, her sitting
Speaker 1: and talking with Grubbs for one more martini, that's pretty great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and her dropping the dime on Alex and Milly
Speaker 4: drinking and driving and twist Millie's driving setting it all up,
Speaker 4: and Mouth not not going to jail to pick her up.
Speaker 4: Good for you, Mouth, good for you.
Speaker 1: And good for Brooke. Brooke didn't do it either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, listen, half a million dollars when
Speaker 4: you've done one job.
Speaker 1: Come on, you need a new agent.
Speaker 4: Sounds like you need a new agent and a healthy
Speaker 4: slice of reality pie. All right. Susanne asks, how has
Speaker 4: your experience working on this show or in the industry
Speaker 4: impacted your life outside of work? Has it changed how
Speaker 4: you approach personal relationships or other aspects of your life?
Speaker 3: Paul, it's too big of an answers too much. I'll
Speaker 3: do my best to make a pithy write that down.
Speaker 4: How about how about One Tree Hill. Let's not say
Speaker 4: the industry. Let's just say this job working on.
Speaker 3: I have my second family because of it. I have
Speaker 3: my lifelong friends because of it. I have this beautiful
Speaker 3: people I can go to with all those years we
Speaker 3: spent together, I sometimes wish we had kept together more,
Speaker 3: but I will. It's that's the greatest gift from it.
Speaker 3: The fans. I've never had any fans from any of
Speaker 3: the show I've ever done, and I've been on a
Speaker 3: few like this. And how does it approach my personal relationships.
Speaker 3: It's complicated because you know, it's it's part of now.
Speaker 3: I know this sounds maybe a bit there's a little
Speaker 3: hubrist in here, but there's if the show had impact
Speaker 3: more than I ever thought when we were shooting it.
Speaker 3: Twenty years later, I'm still approached on airplanes and in
Speaker 3: restaurants and stuff like that, and it's a huge and
Speaker 3: I go, oh, that's right. I was on a TV
Speaker 3: show Because you know, I forget why you're coming up
Speaker 3: to me. And it's sweet. It's very sweet. It's all
Speaker 3: how you take it. You know, I had one girlfriend
Speaker 3: one time, a long long time ago. It was really
Speaker 3: irritated that I was being approached all the time, and
Speaker 3: I said, what bothers you better when she goes, well,
Speaker 3: they don't know you, And I said, no, no, they do.
Speaker 1: To them, they do, and you should.
Speaker 3: Be your fans. You should be. There're the reason we're here.
Speaker 3: You know, it's silly.
Speaker 1: It's a little light answer, but it's no, it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same one that I was going to have.
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, is it's a huge there's a
Speaker 1: huge answer. I think any profession has a massive effect
Speaker 1: on your personal life. And what's hard can be the
Speaker 1: hours I mean, I've definitely had. I mean, if we're
Speaker 1: going to stick with this show, I think it's the
Speaker 1: same thing that Paul was saying, like, you never quite
Speaker 1: know when I'm making a new friend, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they've seen the show or not, and sometimes that
Speaker 1: can be awkward and sometimes it's not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the industry in general has affected my life
Speaker 1: in terms of it's mostly just the time that a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have our schedule, and I have
Speaker 1: lost friendships because there are people who just can't They
Speaker 1: can't understand the time constraint and they can't understand the
Speaker 1: demand that's put on us and it's like I've called you,
Speaker 1: you know, where have you been the last four weeks?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I was filming fourteen
Speaker 1: hours a day.
Speaker 3: I just in Bulgaria and a castle in a cool drift.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well I usually don't say that. What are
Speaker 1: your glass slippers?
Speaker 4: To type?
Speaker 1: But you know, like you try, but not everyone is
Speaker 1: cut out for being in relationship for someone who's in
Speaker 1: this industry too, because it's the circus and you can't
Speaker 1: be as consistent as what some people need. So you
Speaker 1: find different ways of connecting with people. And that's okay.
Speaker 1: But that's been hard, a hard lesson to learn. But
Speaker 1: I've been given so many gifts and so I've learned
Speaker 1: so much as an artist and as a human just
Speaker 1: from it's too big of an answer. I've learned so
Speaker 1: much and I love it. What about you, Rob?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Friends, Uh, definitely, Like when we do these you know,
Speaker 4: like this show and when we do conventions, it's it's
Speaker 4: fun for me because it's like I really get to
Speaker 4: see this group of people I like, you know, and
Speaker 4: we have this incredible shared experience. So I'm very grateful
Speaker 4: for that. And to be honest, with you. This show
Speaker 4: helped me get to a place where I finally found
Speaker 4: my way to therapy. Really yeah, because you know, it's
Speaker 4: like I came on and it was just weird, right
Speaker 4: because everyone in the town knew where we knew who
Speaker 4: we were. So there was a lot of like isolating
Speaker 4: because I was already kind of going through a tough time.
Speaker 4: So I would just sort of withdrawing, like all just
Speaker 4: hang out in my apartment and yeah, like my mental
Speaker 4: health wasn't great, and I finally it was like I
Speaker 4: hit a point where I was just like, ah, something
Speaker 4: has to change, and and so like that was the
Speaker 4: first time I got introduced to my very first therapist
Speaker 4: halfway through One Tree Hill or about two thirds of
Speaker 4: the way through, and that began. It was sort of
Speaker 4: like the ending of that chapter of my life and
Speaker 4: the beginning of this journey of like actually figuring out
Speaker 4: who the hell I am and what I want to
Speaker 4: do what makes me happy. So I'm incredibly great. Like
Speaker 4: I've said on this show, it's like it was a
Speaker 4: tough experience for me personally, but I'm immensely grateful for it.
Speaker 1: You touch on something really interesting that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people who don't know anything about the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: They look at lives of actors who are working and
Speaker 1: they think, oh, it's so glamorous. Yeah they work hard,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But look at all they get to
Speaker 1: go to all the parties and they get to you know,
Speaker 1: get where of reservations, wherever they want. But the isolation
Speaker 1: is so real because, especially depending on your level of success,
Speaker 1: not knowing who you can trust, not knowing if someone's
Speaker 1: talking to you because and being nice to you because
Speaker 1: they're a nice person and you're having a genuine, lovely interaction,
Speaker 1: or if somebody's just blowing smoke up your ass because
Speaker 1: you're a celebrity. There's also just having people know things
Speaker 1: about your life. You know, you're you're trying to be
Speaker 1: a private person, just have your own life, and people
Speaker 1: following you around and gossiping about you. It's a small town,
Speaker 1: so you say something, you look at somebody sideways, you're
Speaker 1: having a bad day. Boy does that get spread around?
Speaker 1: And that's really hard. It just makes you want to
Speaker 1: go into a shell and like, everybody, just leave me alone.
Speaker 1: I just want to hide. And then you get isolated,
Speaker 1: and then you don't have anybody to talk to.
Speaker 3: It's hard get about sharing an opinion about anything important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's one thing like if you're shooting in
Speaker 4: New York, no one in New York cares. They see
Speaker 4: bigger and better all the time on the sidewalk. But
Speaker 4: in Wilmington, literally every single person knew who we were
Speaker 4: and what that did. Is because I'm like Paul, if
Speaker 4: someone wants to say, like coach to me and say hey,
Speaker 4: I love this thing you did, like I want to
Speaker 4: take a moment to hear that, validate it, tell them
Speaker 4: thank you, maybe snap a picture like one moment, right.
Speaker 4: But the problem is when you're and you're having a
Speaker 4: hard day, when you're a court low and you just
Speaker 4: don't have it in you to do that. And you know,
Speaker 4: when you leave your door, that's all you're going to get,
Speaker 4: you know, going for coffee, sitting down for breakfast. It's
Speaker 4: just easier to go I'm just going to stay. I'm
Speaker 4: just going to stay here by myself in all order something,
Speaker 4: you know. So like there was just like I said,
Speaker 4: I just isolated a lot. But yeah, but like it
Speaker 4: was also the beginning of me going like oh cool,
Speaker 4: I think I know who I am, but let's find out.
Speaker 3: Tell us about your book tour real quick.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm going out a book t You're so sweet, Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my book tour for my memoir Dinner for Vampires is
Speaker 1: coming out. We are on a book tour on October,
Speaker 1: the week that it goes out, October twenty first. It's great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really the story is really about my
Speaker 1: own mess. I mean, One Tree Hill is this setting.
Speaker 1: It's a backdrop, but the story is about my own
Speaker 1: huge mistakes that I made in my own life. But
Speaker 1: hopefully it'll it'll make people feel like they're not so
Speaker 1: alone and isolated.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to use that book about twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Joy, yeh, wait to read it?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 4: All right, everybody, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 1: Paul.
Speaker 4: When it lands, would you mind telling the listeners what
Speaker 4: it is? Oh? Perfect, read it?
Speaker 3: Paul the winner of the spinny wheel most likely to
Speaker 3: sleep walk.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to jump right in and say, Clay,
Speaker 4: and for those who know you know, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. Oh yeah, Clay for sure. And Paul, I
Speaker 1: feel like you do you sleepwalk? You seem like a sleepwalker.
Speaker 3: I have, but I'm a sleep talker.
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's juicy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's yeah, it's I'm sure it's revealed.
Speaker 1: All have fun for your girlfriends.
Speaker 4: Paul, Joe Anson, never not talking.
Speaker 3: That's that's my novel coming out free order. All right.
Speaker 4: Next week we have season seven, episode eleven, seven eleven.
Speaker 4: You know I love you, don't you do too? Paul?
Speaker 4: You are lovely an utter delight as per usual, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, love you. It's great to see you. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to you soon, all right.
Speaker 4: See you, buddy. Hi everybody, So everybody have a great week.
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