1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg sound On. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Biden lost a lot of goodwill, He lost a lot 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: of the trust that was given to him. At the 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: outset of this year. The Democratic Party can't find its 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: way back to the JFK days because it's so far 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: over to the last Bloomberg sound On politics, policy and 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: perspective from DC's top names. People generally don't have a 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: favorable view of Congress, but they do of their own Congressman. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: It's got to be something that all fifty Senators, every 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: single fifty Senator can support. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio, and it begins an historic week 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: in politics that journalists, historians, and academics will be writing 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: about him analyzing for years, no matter the outcome. A 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: collision of deadlines this week, if you're a listener to 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: this broadcast or the sound On podcast, where you saw 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: it coming a mile away. Of course, the same goes 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: for leaders in Congress, as Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: try to play a bit of three dimensional chess here 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: and assure that infrastructure and reconciliation can pass both chambers 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: all in the next several days we have to fund 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: the government to in a continuing resolution that includes a 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: suspension of the debt ceiling is expected to fail in 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: the Senate here tonight, forcing Democrats to come up with 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: a clean funding mechanism by Thursday at midnight, when the 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: government is set to run out of money. And we're 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna bring you the latest from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: An update coming up from Jack Fitzpatrick from Bloomberg Government, 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it with Congressman Ralph Norman, Republican 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: from South Carolina, and later an inside view from our 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: panel Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Schanzano and Brian Johnson of 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: the Vogel Group. We've all got our eyes on Capitol 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Hill this week with key votes expected on infrastructure and 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: government funding, if not more, ahead of a Thursday deadline 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: for a possible government shutdown. And that's where we start 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: now with Bloomberg Government's Jack fitz pat Rick, who's been 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: in the halls of power throughout the day talking with lawmakers. 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Jack welcome. We should be clear Chuck Schumer is bringing 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: this government funding bill to a vote even though he 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: knows it will fail. Because Republicans will not touch the 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: debt ceiling political back and forth on the debt ceiling. 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: The Senate is going forward with a vote that, talking 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: to everybody here, is virtually guaranteed that it will fail. 43 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: It's possible maybe they'll pick up one or two Republican votes, 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: but nobody has said clearly they're joining the Democrats, so 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: they'll fall short of the sixty votes. And then the 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: question is how quickly can they break off a clean 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: government funding measure, presumably amended in the Senate, Pass it, 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: send that back to the House, pass it, and try 49 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: to get it signed into law before eleven fifty nine 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: pm or so Thursday night to avoid a shutdown, and 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: then just kind of keep working on a debt limit measure. 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: So Jack, they'd have to set a land speed record 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: to make that happen, right, Are they sure they can 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: do it? Really? One question we have to get answered 55 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: to day is how quickly will individual Republicans allow them 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to move in the Senate, where they will, very likely 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: on procedural matters, rely on unanimous consent. Uh That usually 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: comes down to members like Rand Paul Tad Cruise, some 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: of the more conservative Republicans who sometimes hold up procedural measures. 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: It could get difficult if people are dragging their feet 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: on everything, though, Republican leadership has said they'll support a 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: cr the government funding measure without the debt limit measures, 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: so I don't think they're they're up against it just yet. Jack. Lastly, 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,559 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi reiterating over the weekend infrastructure the bipartisan Infrastructure 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Bill will get a vote this week. She says it 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: will happen Thursday, but work is beginning on that now 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: in the House. Yes, they're moving to the infrastructure vote. 68 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: They initially said that that would happen today, but they're 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: trying to align the timing of the infrastructure measure with 70 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the broader reconciliation bill, and so they're they're racing to 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: try to get his close to some sort of agreement 72 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: on reconciliation and pushing back that infrastructure measure. Technically, they're 73 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: moving to it today and they'll hold a vote on 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: it this week. The Progressives are still opposed to that 75 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: infrastructure measure though, because they haven't gotten a deal on 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: the broader three and a half trillion dollar bill. Bloomberg 77 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Government's Jack Fitzpatrick thinks, as always, Jack for the update. 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: As we turned out, a Congressman Ralph Norman, Republican from 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: South Carolina, who's back with us on a very important day, 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: clearly starting a very important week in Washington. Congressman, welcome 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: back to Bloomberg Radio. We're glad to have you. Would 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: you vote yes for this government funding bill if it 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: did not include the debt ceiling? Oh? Absolutely not, Joe. 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: This is a dog and pony show that the Congress 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: is demonstrating to the American American people. The process is broken. Uh, 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: you know, the Senate always has caved in the past. 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens when the strip stripped, the depth 88 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: limited out and have to decide how are they going 89 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: to fund it? Uh? You know, the Democrats owned this 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to vote on it. And I 91 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: hope the u c s fail and crews caused them 92 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: to have to vote. I know you would not vote 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: to raise the debt ceiling, Congressman, but would you do 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: I understand you right. You would also not vote for 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: a clean cr a government funding bill that was written 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: by Democrats. Oh? Absolutely nice. Twenty. I think the first 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: one point to spending, so called infrastructure plan was anything 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: but the infrastructure, Joe, it's a Green New Deal program. 99 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Nine percent of it dealt with true infrastructure as we 100 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: know at bridges Roads. The balance of it was giveaway 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: projects that built out states that were mismanaged by the 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: respective governors and members. So no, I absolutely would We're 103 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to face this at some point, and now, 104 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: better than you know, it's as good as any It 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: should have happened years ago. But we just can't keep 106 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: piling up debt. So would you let the government shut 107 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: down on Friday to make a point? Then absolutely, it 108 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: affects for extent the payments, uh do? And absolutely we 109 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: need to be working here through the week end through 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: however long it takes to bring some sanity to insanity. 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: And I say that because you know, you know, we 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: all hear their meeting, well, the Democrats and meeting and 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: not allowing or not passing any Amentimus no no interest 114 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: in balance and cutting anything in some sudden setting program 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: that should have been sunseted years ago. So absolutely, I mean, 116 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: how long are we gonna keep doing this? The public 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: is ready to to face it, and I have little 118 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: hope that the Democrats will do that because all you 119 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: hear is spending. Well, it's interesting to hear you see 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: that because a lot of Republicans, a lot of your 121 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: colleagues congressmen, say, I'm not touching that debt ceiling, but 122 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: we want to keep the government funding. Give me a 123 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: clean bill, I'll sign off on it. It would with 124 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: that if you let the government shut down, if you 125 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: did not approve the CR as a Republican or as 126 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: a Republican party, would you then follow that up with 127 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: maybe a debt reduction proposal? What would you use that 128 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to achieve? Well, us all of the above, I 129 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: mean a debt reduction, a trimming of programs to hopefully balance, 130 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: try to balance this budget. I think if you do 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: the math, it's right at every taxpayer, the debt now 132 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: is is approaching two hundred thirty million, two and thirty 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: thousand for every taxpayer, and we just cannot keep doing this. 134 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: So I think we I would love to see it. 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: While the the ramifications are bad as far as you know, 136 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: actually shutting it down, but look at the ramifications have 137 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: continued doing continuing resolutions, the leases have to be redone 138 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: for the military. It pretty well stops everything, and we 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: keep doing this running right, up to the to the deadline, 140 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: which is midnight Thursday on the thirty. There's no excuse, 141 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: no business, no family, Uh, anybody competent does not do 142 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: this with with a budget, particularly now when we talk 143 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: about the debt ceiling. Of Democrats have made the point 144 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: that that if a good chunk of the money, their 145 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: trillions in fact, were encouraged under the Trump administration, would 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: you have shut the government down to make that same point? Then? 147 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, blame, blame, blame, that's all you hear, Joe, Uh, 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: you know nothing. I'm just trying to follow the money, Congressman, Yeah, 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: follow the money. I mean that there's blame to go around. 150 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: But look at what they're doing now, combined with everything else. 151 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: We've never seen this. I think every administration up to 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: the founding of the country till now has not even 153 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: come close to what this administration is doing. And it's 154 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: dropping money from helicopters is an analogy I would use. 155 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: So no, I would Uh. You know, whether you're this 156 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: isn't a Democrat or republic issue. This is an American issue, 157 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: and you face it, and now as as there's no 158 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: better time than now to try to put some sanity 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: to it, and they're just not doing it. It's walking 160 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: with Congressman Ralph Mormon, Republican from South Carolina as we 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: talk about what will be an historic head here. And 162 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 1: I know that you're not in favor of the Democratic 163 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: spending plans, but I know there were there were parts 164 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: of the infrastructure bill that passed the Senate that you 165 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: were in favor of. At one point we talked about 166 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: some of the broadband, the hard infrastructure, roads and bridges 167 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: that you favored. Does do you still want to see 168 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: that become law? Everybody is in favor of a true 169 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: infrastructure bill, Joe, meaning roads, bridges, streets, everybody in this country. 170 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got structures that are seventy and eighty 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: years old that were built during the Eisenhower in previous administration. 172 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: So yes, But if a pill has nine good things 173 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: and uh you know nine bad or bad, do you 174 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: take the pill? No? This administration is is completely lost 175 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: control over any type spending with no indication that you're 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna balance and cut things that it is going to take. Yeah, 177 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: true infrastructure, yes, but as we've seen just say and 178 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: its infrastructure, it doesn't make it. So it's two pages long. 179 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: The first bill. It was pasted in the middle of 180 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: the night. When are we gonna get some sanity and 181 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: stop that? Well, so what works here, Congressman? Is there 182 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: a piece of spending in that bill that you'd like 183 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: to see isolated? It sounds like you're a no vote 184 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: across the board on everything we're looking at. Oh. Absolutely, 185 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: it's an easy vote, no vote for me, Joe. I 186 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: simply was not sent to Congress to bankrupt the country. 187 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: And that's what's happening, along with everything else that's going on. 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: If they truly carved out true infrastructure and put it 189 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: on the basis that you know, any municipality, any state 190 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: that received federal dollars had equity to put into the 191 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: game rather than just give it, throw it out the 192 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: states that are friendly to the Democratic Party. Yes, true infrastructure, 193 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and for I'm a real estate developer, why would I 194 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: be against it? But it's just not the case with 195 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: this group because there's too much other stuff in that bill. 196 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: You say, there's nine good and the rest is is 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: bad news for you. Absolutely, Look what is doing to 198 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: our to our future and deadness to our children, grandchildren. 199 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: It's not fair, it's not right. And again, you know 200 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: look back in history. We always go through this, but 201 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: it's time to have a backbone. It's time to stand up, 202 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: and now is the time, particularly with what the government 203 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: is trying to fund with so many other projects on 204 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: the on the dough like the immigration issues of million 205 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: people and the other things that go along with it. 206 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Congressman Ralph Norman, we thank you for joining us live 207 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg sound On Republican from South Carolina, illustrating the 208 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: opposition on the other side of the aisle. 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Thanks for spending part 218 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: of your Monday with us. As we all watched Capitol 219 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Hill for news this week and that includes the White House. 220 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: President Biden himself making that clear when he got a 221 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: booster shot today in front of reporters. Yes, he was 222 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: asked about the shot even as he had the needle 223 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: in his arm. They're yelling questions out. He was also 224 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: asked about the timeline for votes this week and whether 225 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: he sees infrastructure and reconciliation passing. Here's what he said. 226 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: You know me, bor an optimist. I think things are 227 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: going to go well. I think we're gonna get it done. 228 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: And I have met tonight and for the next little bit. 229 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: Presidency was victory was the stake victory, he said, reminding 230 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: a lot of us of Robert Duval and apocalypse now 231 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: smells like victory. In Yes, people read into that statement. 232 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: It's Washington generating questions for Press Secretary Jen Saki. Listen 233 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: to this exchange from the briefing room. The president says, okay, 234 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: that victory is at State this week. Can you explain 235 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: more about what he meant there and also what pressure 236 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: is he feeling as as Democrats face this sort of 237 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: intense legislative week. Well, I would say he said that 238 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: at the end of several questions, just to give the 239 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: full context, when it was like, what is at stake? 240 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: And he said victories at stake? I don't think he 241 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: said it quite exactly in the same tone that you conveyed, 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: which is okay, But um, look, the President is very 243 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: committed to this agenda. With that we bring in the panel. 244 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor Geanie Schanzano and Brian Johnson with us 245 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: today from Vocal Group, former director of government Affairs at 246 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: the American Petroleum Institute. Is great to have you both here. Genie, 247 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: I know you love the smell of victory in the morning, 248 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: but what is it that President Biden is going to 249 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: be saying in these meetings we have. We are running 250 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: out of time very quickly here and he's got about 251 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: three days to bring moderates and progressives together. That's right, 252 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: and I do love victory, and I'm glad he's optimistic. 253 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: I want to be as optimistic as Joe Biden on this, 254 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I think what at this point I'm 255 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: looking to see is do we see any sign of 256 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: a framework agreement that takes into consideration mansion and cinema 257 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: on the reconciliation and that allows then the Progressives to 258 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: vote for the Biff if you will the the the 259 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: by Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill. If we don't see that, I'm 260 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: not sure how this thing goes forward. Let's just remember 261 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: we have now another statement by the progressives Katie Porter, 262 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: Illan Omar Jaya Paul and others where they are saying 263 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that they will put their votes on the line for 264 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: the Build Back Better Act. So you know, so they 265 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: these have you become sort of intractable positions at this point. 266 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: So looking for something like a framework otherwise I think 267 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is going to have to start to twist 268 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: some arms and whip some votes and say, even if 269 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: we don't get a framework, you still need to vote 270 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: for this because everything is on the line. I don't 271 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: think he said that yet, at least we haven't gotten 272 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: an indication he has. I heard the term sin a 273 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: mansion for the first time today, which gives you a 274 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: pretty good sense. Brian Johnson of who is steering the 275 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: conversation here. And we know that committee chairs in the 276 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: House are in direct contact with committee chairs in the 277 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: Senate to make sure that legislation doesn't go next door 278 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: that that people are not going to vote for. But 279 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: we are running out of time quickly, And I wonder 280 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: what you think the role the president should be playing now. 281 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Is he in these meetings driving the conversation or is 282 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: he listening and absorbing what lawmakers are telling him? Yeah, Joe, 283 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Jeanne, I love your optimism. I 284 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: wish I could share some of that. UM, I think 285 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: President Biden needs to remember, uh, statements that have been 286 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: made publicly and where folks are on these issues. Let's 287 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: not forget. During the budget resolution mark up in the Senate, 288 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema voted no from presiding over the Senate actually 289 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: on a Cortez Masso amendment that would have taxed only 290 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: the top one percent. And just today in the New 291 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: York Times, UH, it's been made clear that she is 292 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: not in favor of raising taxes. When you look at 293 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: the packages that are coming before us, UM, you've got 294 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: an ultimate forty nine or forty six point four percent 295 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: top income rate, You've got corporate hikes, you've got cap 296 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: game pikes, you have a host of things that read 297 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: like very objective policies that Kristen Cinema said she's not 298 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: supportive vote. And now you have talk of chow mansion. 299 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Maybe entertaining a carbon tax to pay for some of this, 300 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and so I think the President needs to come back 301 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: down to reality and really have some hard, binding conversations 302 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: with these folks about what it's going to take to 303 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: get them on board on infrastructure and reconciliation, and then 304 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: to throw one more King can do it. I'm just 305 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: gonna read you a quick quote. It says this is 306 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: the first time in recent memory government shutdown has been 307 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: possible when one party has controlled the White House, House 308 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: and the Senate. The Republicans owned that that Speaker Pelosi 309 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: from January eighteen, ending that with hashtag do your job, 310 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: and so I think the Democrats have a very tough 311 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: job ahead of him hashtag do your job. I feel 312 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: like we're covering the patriots again here, Jeanie. But I'm 313 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: glad you brought it up here, Brian. The debt ceiling 314 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: is going to likely be left on the side of 315 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: the road this week, right. They need to clean up 316 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the cr as we discussed with Jack Fitzpatrick a little 317 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: bit earlier, fund the government and then deal with the 318 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: debt ceiling. What next week when it's even closer to 319 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: being a default, it's it's it's funny jingle bells to me, 320 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: sound like the sound of cans being kicked down the road, 321 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: and unfortunate innately, as we transition from fall into winter, 322 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened here in Washington. They can start 323 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: to get kicked down the road. And so I think 324 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: you're certainly going to see a lot of buying time 325 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote while things are worked out behind the scene. 326 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: But well, let's just be very clear they are They 327 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: are nowhere close to any kind of an agreement. Uh, 328 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: And what the Senate wants to do on reconciliation is 329 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: exponentially different than the House. Bryan Johnson came to play 330 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: today on Sound on I Like this. He'll be back 331 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: with Jeanie Chanzano there with us for the hour. Up next, 332 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: an inside view on the vote counting with political strategist 333 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: Michael Hardaway. This is Bloomberg broadcasting live from our nation's capital, 334 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg to New York, Bloomberg eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg 335 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: one oh six one to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty 336 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: to the Country, Serious x M General one nine and 337 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: around the globe, the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Radio 338 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: dot Com. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew. 339 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: The headline on the terminal. Biden and Pelosi pressure Democrats 340 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: ahead of showdown on agenda. That's the name of the 341 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: game this week. The phones are ringing as Eric Wasas 342 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: and Billy House, Laura lit Van Right, Pelosi and Biden 343 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: have been calling lawmakers ahead of a closed door meeting 344 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: of House Democrats today this afternoon and an attempt to 345 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: bridge differences between moderates and progressives that are stalling votes 346 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: on a bipartisan infrastructure bill fifty billion dollars in new spending, 347 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: and then of course the much larger reconciliation bill as 348 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: we've had for some key deadlines coming up in the 349 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: days ahead. We'll be talking about it here and playing 350 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: the game of trust with Michael Hardaway, founder of Hardaway Wire, 351 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: political strategist, was former communications director for the House Democratic 352 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Caucus and Representative Hakim Jeffreys. Of course in the leadership 353 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: have a sense of what's going on in those meetings 354 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: and what might happen over the course of this week. 355 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: And welcome to the Monday edition of Bloomberg Sound On. 356 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington where it's going to get 357 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: busier and potentially more chaotic, maybe a little bit louder 358 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: each day this week, as we had for a possible 359 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: government shutdown on Friday, and as moderate Democrats demand votes 360 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: this week as promised on infrastructure. I just don't know 361 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with those votes, as progressive Democrats 362 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: still maintain they will not vote for the infrastructure bill 363 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: unless they get what they are looking for in the 364 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: reconciliation bill, and over the next couple of days, as 365 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: we've been reporting on the terminal Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, 366 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: and Joe Biden, the Democratic leadership, we'll try to provide 367 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: a framework for what that reconciliation bill is going to 368 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: look like, complete with a price tag that's expected, according 369 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: to the Speaker herself, to fall well short of three 370 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: and a half trillion dollars. We're joined now by Michael Hardaway, 371 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: political strategist and founder of the Hardaway Wire. His company 372 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: provides political intelligence to corporations to c e O s. 373 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: He's an insider, a former communications director for the House 374 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: Democratic Caucus and Representative Hakim Jeffreys, and Michael, I want 375 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: to welcome you back here to Bloomberg Sound on. I 376 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: can't imagine what you're hearing about these meetings, the phone calls, 377 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: and the sessions that apparently they'll be. There'll be more 378 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: each day this week, as the President himself said he 379 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: has booked straight through Wednesday, trying to bring together moderates 380 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: and progressives. Maybe we can tick through some of these here, 381 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: because I'd love to get your input and understand a 382 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: little bit more about what you're hearing. The vote tonight 383 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: government funding. Everyone knows it's going to fail. Two Democrats 384 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: come up with a clean cr to simply pay for 385 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: government operations in time for that deadline on midnight Thursday. 386 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: First of all, it's good to be with you game, Joe, 387 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. It's a very interesting 388 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: question because I've spent the past week talking with everyone 389 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: from friends of the White House to congressional leadership, and 390 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: everyone generally speaking is hopeful but pessimistic in terms of 391 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: whether any of the three get done, be it the 392 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: debt killing, be it the bipartisan Infrastructure bill, or the 393 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: reconciliation bill. I think Democrats have a real problem. Did 394 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: a simple math with the idea that you know, Speaker 395 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: Pelosi can only afford to lose three votes, and you 396 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: might have upwards of sixty people in the House right 397 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: now that would oppose the legislation. And I think that 398 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: on the other side, you have Senate Republicans but also 399 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Senate Democrats who are saying, you know, we don't we 400 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: can't support your bill because we think it's way too 401 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: much money, and let's just pass this by partisan bill first. 402 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: But that's just not going to happen in the House. 403 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: And I just don't see how this gets done. You know, 404 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: We've been talking to our members about this over the 405 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: past few days, and it's clear that business leaders want 406 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: to know what to expect, and the main thing I've 407 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: been telling them is it's unlikely that either of these 408 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: gets done year this year. Some would say, if it's 409 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: not this year, Michael, it's never I think that's about right. 410 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: We're heading into an election next year, and you know, 411 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Republicans are solely focused on winning back to the House 412 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: and possibly the Senate. And to your point, I think 413 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: next year is going to be one of um in action, 414 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: uh in both houses of Congress. And I think that 415 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: anything doesn't it doesn't get done this year, and infrastructure 416 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: will not get done at all. And I hate to 417 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: say that because I think that if you look at 418 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: pollings rounding this issue, the American public one action on 419 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: both of these pieces of legislation. And so the real 420 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: question is will anyone have to pay next November if 421 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: either of these bills doesn't get done. That's a big 422 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: question right now. I don't know if you heard. Congressman 423 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Ralph Norman was with us, of course, the Republican is 424 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: from South Carolina. Earlier in the hour he said he 425 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: would vote no even on a clean CR to fund 426 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: the government. Just to make sure I understand you. You 427 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: don't think Democrats can necessarily get that done in time 428 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: for Friday. Well, I was speaking particularly about the bipartisan 429 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: dough and the reconciliation. But but I think in terms 430 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: of the CR that's going to be tight. You know. 431 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: I had a conversation yesterday with a Republican friend who's 432 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: involved in Senate leadership, and he said to me that 433 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: McConnell has really dug as Hills in on this one 434 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: in a way that he hasn't in the previous instances. 435 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: Until I just don't know, and no one really knows, honestly, 436 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what's going to happen with the cr 437 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: and whether Republicans will allow the US to default when 438 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: it's dead and we're compelled to take people at their word. 439 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: At this point here, just days away from deadlines, no 440 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: one's budging, Michael. I want you to hear a couple 441 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: of different voices right now, starting with Jen Psaki, the 442 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary, who was asked today about the 443 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: role that Joe Biden is playing in these meetings with lawmakers. Here, 444 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: she is the conversations are not just about him silently listening. 445 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: I can assure you all of that. Um, he is 446 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: not a wallflower. He's engaging in conversations. He's having just 447 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: sessions with leaders. He's looking to chart a unifying path forward, 448 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: and there's a give and take and a back and 449 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: forth in those conversations. Absolutely, he is not a wallflower, 450 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: says the Press secretary to a packed reefing room today. 451 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: I want you to rewind here, come with me to 452 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Friday when I spoke with Representative Primillagia Paul. This is, 453 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: of course, the chair of the Progressive Caucus, who has 454 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: made clear that half of her members will not vote 455 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: for this infrastructure bill unless they get what they want 456 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: from reconciliation. Here's what she told me. I would love 457 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: to sit down with Center Mansions, Center Cinema see if 458 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: that can help move things along, just you know, for 459 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: us to hear each other um and see where we 460 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: are and continue the negotiations. Do you still believe half 461 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: the Progressive Caucus would vote against infrastructure if it was today? Yes? Okay, 462 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: What then does Joe Biden need to tell Giapoul and 463 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: her members Michael and are remaining moment here if there's 464 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: any chance in bringing them over here. I would say 465 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: to you that in terms of what this is being operated, 466 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: the President and the Speaker are working in partnership. In 467 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: that regard. There are many members right now that are 468 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: getting a call from a full and five numbers, which 469 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: Speaker cookie, and she's saying to them, trust me to 470 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: read you through this path. And I think in terms 471 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: of the President, he's likely focused, you know, leaderships and 472 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: bull talsy um and the mansions of the world. We 473 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: try to give them on board. But I think the 474 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: peak of Floss is really driving with Boer, Michael Hardaway, 475 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: and the game of trust, as I mentioned, will reassemble 476 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: the fanel next this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound 477 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It's like a 478 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: holiday week for wants. Jingle bells, as Brian Johnson told 479 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: us earlier this hour, like the sound of cans being 480 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: kicked down the road. That is Tom Keen level poetry. Brian, 481 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: We thank you. Bryan, his principle at Vogel Group, former 482 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: director of government affairs at the American Petroleum Institute and 483 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: part of our Sound On panel today along with Bloomberg 484 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: Politics contributor Genie Schanzano. Welcome back to both of you, 485 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: and glad you're with us for the hour here. I 486 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: hope you're happy with what you started, Brian, as we 487 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: all roll to the sound of jingle bells on the 488 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. But of course, some serious business 489 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: at hand here, and we've been talking about it with 490 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: a number of points of view over the course of 491 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: the hour. Uh. I wonder where your thoughts are right now, Brian, 492 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: as we consider a series of meetings that are being held. 493 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: We talked about them between the White House, congressional leadership 494 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: and what appears to be too many insurmountable conflict between 495 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: moderates and progressives. Is there an opening here for Republicans 496 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: to do something more than say no. I asked Ralph 497 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: Norman earlier about maybe taking this opportunity to make some 498 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: proposals to to lower the debt. What should we not 499 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: be talking about debt auction instead of arguing about raising 500 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: the death ceiling. Yeah. Look, when it comes to debts 501 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: and deficits and debt ceilings CR I think Speaker Pelosi said, 502 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: at best, in the controlling party of Congress and the 503 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: White House has the ability uh to handle this. Uh. 504 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: The Democrats have just as much pressure on them to 505 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: produce something that can get the Republican votes as it 506 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: is vice versus. So I think that situation will play 507 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: itself out, just like Miss McConnell said on on the 508 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: other issues. You know, infrastructure is one of the hardest 509 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: things to do since tax reform in Congress. Uh. It 510 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: was always hard with a fifty, it's even harder. How 511 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion is going to go back to West Virginia 512 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: after voting for a package that has a tax cycle cigarettes, 513 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: tax cycle smokes tobacco. It'll add two dollars and ten 514 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: cents to every vape pod for for parents who are 515 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: trying to quit smoking cigarettes to live a long, healthy 516 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: life with their family. It's it's not gonna happen. Uh 517 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: that your guest earlier, who I believe was former Hackeim 518 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Stafford, said he didn't see any any of this happening. 519 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: And I'm tending to agree that that the sides are 520 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: just far too far part of this point, and I 521 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: hope the president's phone calls might make some difference. I'll 522 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: tell you, Brian, nobody talks about the tax on cigarettes. 523 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: When that came out a couple of weeks ago from 524 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: Ways and Means, Jeanie Chanzano, I thought, boy, I think 525 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: I may have even said this on television. I hope 526 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: people don't stop smoking because that's gonna be required to 527 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: pay for this. But then, of course I'm saying that 528 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: facetiously everyone stopped smoking. But uh, what the heck does 529 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes cost? Now we're gonna twenty I 530 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: don't even know what it costs right now, thirty dollars 531 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: for a pack of cigarettes. I'm sure you're not a smoker, Genie. 532 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I am not a smoker. I couldn't tell you, Joe, 533 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: but I know it is extremely high. It's a lot 534 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: for one pack. But you know, I do think that 535 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: you know what this meeting that Pelosi has called her 536 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: her caucus to this evening and she has said, you know, 537 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: basically said you all better there. It is going to 538 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: be fascinating because she is going to try to figure 539 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: out a way to get them to see that. As 540 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: Debbie Dingle said, failure is not an option here for 541 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats. But the problem for Nancy Pelosi is so 542 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: much of this rest and what's going on in the Senate. 543 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: So that's where the President is going to really have 544 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: to take the lead on this. And I would just 545 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: go back to the debt ceiling and say it's going 546 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: to be resolved. Democrats are going to pass it, but 547 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: it is very clear what they are trying to say. 548 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: They want to make sure they are making the case 549 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: that Republicans are responsible for the debt we are facing 550 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: in this country and a government shut down looming so close. 551 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: That is a political calculation they've made, just as Republicans 552 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: have made the calculation not to try to help to 553 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: handle it. And both sides are going to stick to 554 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: this to the last minute and then they will avert it. 555 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: Brian Michael Hardaway, who you just pointed to. Our last 556 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: guest also suggested that this none of this may get 557 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 1: done this year. Are you of the mind as well 558 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: that if it's not this, it's never for Democrats? Uh well, 559 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: let me first address you know what Jimmy said. I think, Uh, 560 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: just like Republicans have a responsiblity on the Senate side, 561 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: Democrats had a responsibility to I mean, the last three 562 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: weeks they weren't a charade. It was wasted time. They 563 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: knew this was not palpable in the Senate. Why are 564 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: the negotiations and phone calls just happening now? It's irresponsible 565 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: of this administration. And it's just like the first reconciliation 566 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: package they pourced through where President Biden lied to the 567 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: American people by saying minimum wage hikes would be in it, 568 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: knowing darnwell it was a violation of the Bird rule 569 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: and would not pass the parliamentary And so I think 570 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: there is very clearly blame on both sides. But the 571 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: reality is the last three weeks were very frustrating and 572 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: I wish we could have gotten more work done. Well, 573 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: I'll tell you a genie of I don't know if 574 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: if you would agree that that you would call Joe 575 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: Biden a liar. But one thing that I'm guessing is 576 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: the leadership tonight when they go back to their offices 577 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: and it's been out hours and they even get knocked 578 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: around and they're looking at the clock, don't they wish 579 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: they had this cr in debt ceiling out of the way. 580 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: They're it's going to take days to figure this out. 581 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you know. I think it was a 582 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: calculation that was made by the Democrats that I think 583 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: has now put everything on this insanely you know, busy 584 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: week for them, and and it should not be on 585 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: the table right now, but it is because they've made 586 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: this calculation, and it is a political calculation, just like 587 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: the Republicans, that this is going to benefit them down 588 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: the road. But I do think that this is not 589 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: going to be the issue. The issue is going to 590 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: be can they get an agreement amongst the moderates and 591 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: the progressives on this infrastructure bill in this reconciliation That 592 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: is going to take some real work by the President, 593 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and of course we have to see if he's able 594 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: to thread this needle, as we keep saying, But it's 595 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: it's you know, I hear that he is optimistic. I 596 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: am not as optimistic, and I would totally agree that 597 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: if they don't get this done now, it is not 598 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: going Who happened in an election year and we are 599 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: on the you know, on the brink of a really 600 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: contentious election year. Timing really is everything this time around. 601 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: It was time for Joe Biden to get his booster 602 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: shot today. I don't know if you guys saw this. 603 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: I was at the White House a bit earlier when 604 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: we learned that only a couple of hours later, the 605 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: President would be rolling up his sleeve again, and he 606 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: sure did in front of in front of a small crowd, 607 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: a small group of reporters. It was televised live. You 608 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: guys probably saw it. And for those who didn't, imagine 609 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: the staging. Here, you've got a podium, the presidential podium 610 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: up there. Uh, there was a bit of a set 611 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: with some sort of fake windows that looked like they 612 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: were overlooking the Rose Garden, I think was the idea. 613 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: And then there was a table and a chair for 614 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the president daga jacket off, roll up a sleeve, and 615 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: for a medical professional to come in and jab him 616 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: in front of the world. This is Joe Biden when 617 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: he walked into the room. Everything you'd be senior press 618 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: coming and watch someone get a shot in the old days. Neither. 619 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: I think he felt a little bit weird. I mean 620 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: it would be weird, right, A couple of couple of words, 621 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: takes the jacket off, can't quite roll the sleeve all 622 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: the way up. Imagine doing that with cameras on you. 623 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: And as the President spoke as well, he he foreshadowed 624 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: a trip to Chicago because we don't have enough to 625 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: do this week. The President will be in Chicago Wednesday 626 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: to make the case for business mandates for vaccines. Here's 627 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: the President, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. That's 628 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: why I'm moving forward with vaccination requirements wherever i can. 629 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, I'll be traveling to Chicago to talk about 630 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: why it's so important. They're more businesses are instituting their 631 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: own vaccine requirements. This, of course, comes at a time 632 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: of great controversy, Genie, a lot of politicization when it 633 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: comes two vaccines. The President doing the right thing by 634 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: continuing this approach on tell of Yeah, I mean I'm 635 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: in New York, as you know. And of course we've 636 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: We've had this ruling out of this judge here which 637 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: is putting a halt on mandatory vaccines for teachers. Here. 638 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: We'll see what the next step on that is. But 639 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: it's a similar question that's raised about what the Biden 640 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: administration is trying to do across the nation. You know, 641 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: I have to say I would never want to get 642 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: a shot on on national TV myself, So I give 643 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: all these politicians credits for doing that, but you know, 644 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: to me, the real issue here is not necessarily the boosters. 645 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: The people who are qualified for them, by and large 646 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: are going to go get those. The real question here 647 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: is vaccinating the unvaccinated, and that's what the President is 648 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to address with these with these mandates. But of 649 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: course they are going to face severe pushback in the 650 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: courts as people raise real questions about whether it's a 651 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: violation of their liberties and their ability to control their body. 652 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: So you know, the President is going to fight, as 653 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: he well should, but it is not going to be 654 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: an easy battle, That's right, Brian. What are you hearing 655 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: from your contacts in the business world. Are we going 656 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: to see a deluge of of lawsuits based on employer mandates? Uh? 657 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, get the shot, Get the shot, Get the 658 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: shot right, follow the science. The science works is very 659 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: clear when it comes to employer mandates. Um, you know, 660 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: there's several restaurants here in Washington, d C. That require 661 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: men to wear jackets. Private business can, uh can dictate 662 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: how they want to run their companies. Private businesses want 663 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to make these rules. It should be left up to 664 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: private business. A lot of controversy around it. I would 665 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: be more concerned, however, about why the president is leaving 666 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: Washington literally the day before the evening of what looks 667 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: like it's going to be a government shutdown instead up 668 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, uh, trying to do everything he can 669 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: to get this through. I mean, it's just it's shocking. 670 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: For for lack of a better word, it's a challenge, 671 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: bit of timing a lot. Of course, they could, you know, 672 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: the mobile White House, as they say, he'll have I'm 673 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: sure some interesting guests with him on the jet and 674 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why this is happening, because he 675 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: can have a captive audience on Air Force one. Brian Johnson, 676 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. I'm assuming that you're still 677 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: lamenting the Prime Ribs decision to drop the time man, 678 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: date what has happened at K Street? And thanks as 679 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: ever to Jeanie Chanzano Well, I bet he is a 680 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: big fan of the Prime Rib. I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. 681 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: We're just getting started this week. Where will we be 682 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: this time Friday? Stay with us on the fastest hour 683 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: in politics to find out. We'll check traffic and markets next. 684 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg