1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My daddy is that hero. 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: He helps me up trunk. He helped me. I'm not 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: good to read me my daddy, Daddy, I love you. 4 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: Four year old Bella and her little sister Celeste both 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: murdered along with their mother, Shannan Watts. I Meanancy Grace. 6 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. That was four year old Bella 7 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: sitting in the backseat of the family car singing a 8 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: hero song for her father, and it was recorded by 9 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: mom I'm Chanan and put on Facebook. Did I mention 10 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: pregnant mom Chanan before she was murdered? Now take a 11 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: listen to Chris Watts speaking to investigators telling them that 12 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: maybe it was having sex with his wife, maybe that 13 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: was the trigger point to murdering her. I wonder if 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: that last time was Shan having sex had a somewhat 15 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: of a rule and you're thinking, like a trigger, I 16 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: gotta do something, I gotta say something, we gotta have 17 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: a toad, something's gotta change. Is that accurate? I just 18 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: felt like it was like maybe like a trigger point 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: or something like it's like you get the popish footing 20 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: on the mom and just blow up right something. My 21 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: head was just saying something to say some of her 22 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: had to say something. Okay, So then exactly what did 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: you say and what happened? So when I little grew 24 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: up and he's like, we just gotta just gotta talk 25 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: it just like older, feel incredible, feel like this is 26 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: gonna work. I just you know, I don't want to, like, 27 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: can we cancel the trip to Aspen because she had 28 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: put the trip that week all go to some like 29 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: mystery four star Luxury of the Color or something just 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the two of your whole family, Disney and her family. 31 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: She had a man there to watch the kids that 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: we that weekend or something, okay, And I was just 33 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: like trying to cancel that. Can we like do something 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: like that? I want? I remember I even said, can 35 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: we move to right just to get away from like 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: this house? Oh but like I'm not sure if that 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: was like like in the beginning with the end of 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: farther conversation or whatnot. That conversation with so many different 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: ways like they would take gun from like staying together 40 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: and to not staying together to just like all the books. Okay, 41 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: well you just heard it from the horse's mouth, killer Dad, 42 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Chris Watts. Now let me understand this. So, somewhere between 43 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: having sex with his wife, his pregnant wife who just 44 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: comes home from an out of town trip working to 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: the bone during her pregnancy to support the family, somewhere 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: between her coming home and him straddling her and murdering her, 47 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Between the sex and the murderer, he decides, somewhere in there, 48 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: he just he's just not in love with her anymore. 49 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: He loves her enough to have sex with her, but 50 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: he's just not in love with her anymore. Oh okay, 51 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: take a listen to what else he said. Whatever she says, 52 00:03:46,480 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: please like her on her place. I go from you 53 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: on the bed. That's just where I got on that. 54 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: So she would listen to him, fell like py List three, 55 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: just laying inside it. But I got on palper room, 56 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: and every time I fingered about it, I'm just like, 57 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: did I know I was gonna do that before I 58 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: got on pper Room? Really, that's an interesting thought, Chris. 59 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: You don't know what you need, just like you do. 60 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Everything that happened that morning, I just got I don't know, 61 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: like I gotta try to go back in my head. 62 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I didn't want to do this, but 63 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: I didn't he didn't want to do it, but he 64 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: just did. I remember a couple I was investigating their 65 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: case and the man shot the woman. Okay, and much 66 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: much like a situation like this one, and he was 67 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: asked her in plain negotiations. She asked him to his face, 68 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: why did you shoot me? He goes, I don't know, baby, 69 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: you know with me? In All Star panel, Daryl co 70 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: informer prosecutor turned defense attorney, Joseph Scott Morgan, profess to 71 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet 72 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: on Amazon, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoan Alice joining us 73 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: out of Hollywood, and doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner 74 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: for the State of Florida. Right now to Alexis tres 75 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, this is 76 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: so self indulgent that this interview they're having with killer 77 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: Dad Chris Watts, where he's talking about I don't know 78 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: if I knew when I straddled her right then was 79 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I going to kill her? To h E double l 80 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: with him? It doesn't matter to me. What is the latest? 81 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about Chris Watts's final photos 82 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: he took of his wife and daughters just before he 83 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: murdered them so he could start a new life with 84 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: his mistress. What about these photos? Chris Watts has a 85 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: series of photos that he said that he took right 86 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: before he killed them. This was these girls on this 87 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: last day, the last day of their life. He was 88 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: alone with them because mommy Shnanne was out of town, 89 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: halfway across the country, working so hard, fifteen weeks pregnant, 90 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: far enough along in her pregnancy that she knew it 91 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: was a boy. They had a name picked out for 92 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: this baby. She was so excited to have another child 93 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: with Chris and she who had just told everybody how 94 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: in love they were. And then he blind insides her 95 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: with the news that he is having an affair. She 96 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: catches him while she is out of town, her last 97 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: day's alive. She is out of town working so hard. 98 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: She didn't want to leave those little girls. They were 99 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: her life. And she goes out of town and a 100 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: credit card bill pops up for fifty dollars and she thinks, 101 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: what on earth is my husband doing. We don't have 102 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: any money at all. Why is he at a restaurant 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: spending fifty dollars on dinner that certainly isn't him alone 104 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: and confronts him with it. So her last moments hours 105 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: on earth are her knowing that her husband has been 106 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: cheating on her. She's pregnant with their third child, and 107 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: this is how he treats her. So the pictures are 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: the last photos that he has taken of these little girls, 109 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: their very last day on earth, and he has these 110 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: photos up in his prison cellf You know, I'm very curious. 111 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photos and one looks like Shannan 112 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: in a swimsuit outside and I'm saying she's by a 113 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: pool because she doesn't have on any makeup. She's a 114 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: natural beauty. And the other looks to me to be 115 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: abellage four. Her little sister, celestis aged three, with the 116 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: family dog. Ooh, now, I just pulled up a picture 117 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: of him and his lover, his mistress, Nicole Cassenger, you know, 118 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor turned defense attorney, Daryl Cohen. I've 119 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: got a question, how come he realizes he's not in 120 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: love with her after he has sex with her. If 121 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: he's not in love with her, why have sex with her? 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: That's an age old question. Well, that's an answer that 123 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: I can't give you. But obviously dancy either of those 124 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: who have sex just because sex is available, and maybe 125 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: he wanted to make it his parting shot to say goodbye. 126 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: I would have set off for just a little wave 127 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: at the door and don't let the screen door hitch 128 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: in the rear end on your way out once. Oh yeah, 129 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: could you get my boot out of your ass? But 130 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: you know that's a whole other can of worms. So 131 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think we need to shrink Doctor Tim 132 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: Gallagher rightnown Medical Examina or for the Santa Floria. I 133 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: was just about to go to you, but I got 134 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: to ask doctor Bethany a question. I don't get it. 135 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: He says he's not in love with her, he's planning 136 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: a life with a mistress, but he manages to have 137 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: sex with her. He cares enough about her to have 138 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: sex with her just before he murders her dead in 139 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: the same bed he just had sex. Well, I have 140 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts about that. One is that if 141 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you think of the profile, oh, I can't wait to 142 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: hear the profile of the sociopath. They are very self indulgent, 143 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: they're very thrill seeking, they only think about their own pleasure, 144 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: and it might have been as pleasurable to have sex 145 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: as it was to kill her. You know that this 146 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: was all an excited anticipation of a new, idealized life 147 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: he was going to have with his new girlfriend, and 148 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: it put him in an aroused state, an excited state, 149 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: and she was just an object to use at that point. 150 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: The other thing about sociopath is that they have very 151 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: shallow emotional lives, So acts that they might take that 152 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: would seem appear deep to you and me are not 153 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: deep to them at all. So sex is just like 154 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: a masturbatory act. It's just perfunctory. It's not meaningful. It 155 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they love the other person. It's just 156 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: a self gratifying gesture. Okay, I think what you just 157 00:09:48,280 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: said was a user Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guess what, girls, 158 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Mommy has a baby in her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes? 159 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Are you really excited? Oh my goodness, don't give me 160 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: a huts. Oh yeah, I love you. That's Shenanne Watts 161 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: telling our two little girls, Bella and Celeste, ages four 162 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: and three, they're gonna have a little baby brother. Nico. 163 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Now take a Listen to another short clip where Sananne 164 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: posted this. She surprised her husband now known as Kill 165 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: her dad Chris Watts, about the pregnancy. Oh I bet sure, 166 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: really really, that's all so pink means. That's just the test. 167 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: Just the pink is gonna be girls. I don't know, 168 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: it's the test. That's awesome. Yes, guess guess when you 169 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: want see what happens. Wow, did you hear that last thing? 170 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: He goes, Wow, it seems a little underwhelmed. Huh really awesome? Okay, 171 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: not exactly. You could tell in her voice it's just 172 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: a test that she was not happy with his reaction. 173 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: And then shortly after that, Chris Watts is on another video, 174 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: but this time he's being interviewed by Denverse sevens Thomas 175 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: hop All. I mean, it wasn't like her not to 176 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: answer a phone call or a text. And when her 177 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: friend Nicole showed up at the door, I was like, 178 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: all right, something and something's up. And uh, I came 179 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: home and it was like I walked into a ghost town. 180 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: Like everything. She wasn't here, kids weren't here. It was 181 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: like they was just they were here and then they 182 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: were gone, like Nan Bell and Celeste. If you're out there, 183 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: please come home, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just 184 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: just come back. Like if somebody has her, just please 185 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: bring her back. I need to see everybody. I need 186 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: to see everybody again. This house is not complete without 187 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: anybody here. Let's bring back What a load of crap 188 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: that is killer Dad Chris Watts. And if you look 189 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: at his body language, is he standing on his front 190 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: porch begging for the return of his two little girls 191 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and their pregnant moms. Chanan, it's just so contrived and 192 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: so fake. Um with me an all star panel, Alexis 193 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: tres Chuck Right Online dot Com, investigative reporter, doctor Tim 194 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Gallagher in me Out of Florida, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst 195 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan for his expert, and defense attorney Daryl Cohen. 196 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: So Alexis Terreschuk. We know now that the photos he 197 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: had just taken of the girls and his wife, along 198 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: with those of his mistress, were on his phone, and 199 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: we're now seeing all of the pictures. But I understand 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: that also the murder house has gone on sale. It 201 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: is it is up for auction, but the auction has 202 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: been delayed. This is the home where investigators and prosecutors 203 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: say that all of the children were both children were murdered, 204 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and where Shenan was murdered, and then he took them 205 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night, and he was 206 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: caught on video by his neighbor's security camera putting bodies 207 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: into the pickup truck and driving them away in the 208 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: dark of the night. So this home, no one lives 209 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: there anymore. They were very heavily in debt for this home, 210 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: but it is going to go up for auction, but 211 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the auction keeps getting delayed. Obviously, no one wants to 212 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: live in a murder house, you know. I'm thinking back 213 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the state of Florida, 214 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: where he says, I didn't know that I was going 215 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: to strangle her. How long does it take to murder 216 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: by strangulation, manual strangulation, and adult Well, that's a good question, Nancy. 217 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: When the hands are put around the neck and the 218 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: blood supply to the brain is cut off, it takes 219 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: about three minutes before irreversible brain damage occurs. And then 220 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: after irreversible brain damage occurs, then death will follow shortly thereafter. 221 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: So it takes a good three minutes to actually murder 222 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: somebody by a strangulation. Well, as a matter of fact, 223 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: that was a test. Dodtor Gallagher take a listen to this. 224 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: I just felt like it was I don't even want 225 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: to say it, feel like I had to. I just 226 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: felt like there was always something in my mind that 227 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: was the planet. I was going to do it, and 228 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I will go down the morning it was gonna happen, 229 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: and I no control of it. He never had another apport. 230 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: It was just like I don't want one place. But 231 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: just like then the sensing hearing that trust your two 232 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: or four minutes or something might have happened. Why why 233 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: can't I just let go? Feeling like it was in 234 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: motion and you just couldn't stop it. It was just like, 235 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't even want to know is where she thought 236 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: would look back at you? What was she doing? Wh 237 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: do you think she wasn't fighting? It was maybe she 238 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: was praying. She was praying and not fighting back to 239 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Justseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 240 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My Feet. What would you 241 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: have expected to find in the room if she had 242 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: fought back. Well, you know, one of the things that 243 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: that we would be looking for in in in a 244 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: case like this is to see things like upturned furniture, 245 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: things that are in great disarray, maybe things are broken. 246 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: Uh And and also you think about like the bed sheets, 247 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: this sort of thing is their blood there uh are 248 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: are there are there things that are kind of ripped 249 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: apart in a skew. When you look in this in 250 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: this otherwise orderly environment, you know, you know, you have 251 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: to look at things relative to crimes, the context, the 252 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: abnormal in the presence of what is otherwise normal for 253 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: our eyes. So anything that's going to stand out like that, Nancy, 254 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: what we're learning is that he climbed, she didn't fight back. Listen, 255 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: Son take off in septect For the principles and my account, 256 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: there wasn't going to be any here ms down there, 257 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: not that I remember. So I don't think like I 258 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: moved towards my knees or from her arms or anything. 259 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: They just kind of like when my goss offer always 260 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: we start talking at least that with it just kind 261 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: of like in my head for like in the back 262 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: of my head, that's going to happen and just like 263 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: I had a conversation. It's just like, that's right, I 264 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: could have let go. It seem like it was so 265 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: long too for him. Tell him to the centrion, I 266 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: look gone, feel like it was I feel like it 267 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: was longer, almost fell the time was standing still. Gallagher 268 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: was on my life, just disappearance from my eyes. But 269 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: they're just like I couldn't let go. Former prosecutor, current 270 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: defense attorney Daryl Cohen. That's not helping him at all 271 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: because he's saying it took two to four minutes. That's 272 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: plenty of time where he could have stopped. That's time 273 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: to form premeditation. Oh absolutely, And you and I both 274 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: know that premeditation can be in an instant, but two 275 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: to four minutes he could have stopped, over and over 276 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: and over again. This guy is just pure evil too. 277 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner joining us out of Florida. 278 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, could you break it down in regular people 279 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: talk and explain what Nan would have gone through as 280 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: she was being strangled, what the human body and psyche 281 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: goes through. Absolutely normally when the hand is put on 282 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: the neck and it is and the arteries and veins 283 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: are compressed, and the airway is compressed, it won't take 284 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: long for the person to pass out. Sometimes it takes 285 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seconds before the person will pass out, but 286 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean they're dead or they're dying. They 287 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: can be revived at that point. If you go pass 288 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: that then what we spoke about before the brain cells 289 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: start to die, the lungs don't receive the signal from 290 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the brain that they have to breathe, and then the 291 00:18:43,080 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: person expires shortly thereafter. Prime Stories with Nancy, She's gone 292 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: and just say I didn't didn't know what was going on. 293 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: It's like it was like a traumatic I don't know 294 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: what you call a traumatic event type and everything, like 295 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: I was shaking. I didn't know what had happened. I 296 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I didn't know what I 297 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: had done. I still wouldn't that I stayed of mind. 298 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think like like I was in control of 299 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: what I could think of what I could do at 300 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: that point in time. And most people say it like, 301 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: well I just called nine one one, when I was like, 302 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: unless you're in that situation, you don't you don't know, 303 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: we don't know what you would have done. It's easy 304 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: to play when they weren't quarterback. I agree with that. 305 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: That's what happened next looking around, So it happened bilit human. 306 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: But she said did she hear something because I said 307 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: mommy doesn't feel good. Well, that's an understatement because mommy 308 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: is dead pregnant. Shenan Watts has just quote had sex 309 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: with killer dad Chris Watts, and then he murders her 310 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: after announcing to her he's not in love with her anymore. 311 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: You know what's super creepy about that? Seems like he 312 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: seemingly enjoys recounting what happened. And now the murder house 313 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: of Chris and Shenan Watts and Frederick going to auction 314 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: in Weld County in just a few days. This is 315 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: after the murders of nan Bella and Celeste Watts. Their 316 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Frederick home is sitting emptied abandoned. There are abandoned house 317 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: notices taped to the front door, along with stuffed animals 318 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: and balloons and flowers. The five bedroom, bathroom house goes 319 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: up for auction. According to what we have learned from 320 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: Weld County Trustee records, it's in default. The neighborhood has 321 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: tried to move on, but they haven't been able to. 322 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: Everyone goes by the home every day and thinks of 323 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: the moment Chris Watts smothered his two little girls and 324 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: forced their bodies into oil tanks at the fields of 325 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: an a darko. Not only that, at this hour Chris 326 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: Watts having love letters pouring into the jail. I just 327 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: don't understand how he enjoys recounting what happened to doctor 328 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalys out of Hollywood. He tells detectives, actually 329 00:21:48,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to him what he tells detectives. So 330 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: she lafe and she put the blake over it, and 331 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: that's how she gossed. Put the blake over out. I 332 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: didn't want to go Now. I look outside every day 333 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: and like, what can you be doing right now? Right now, 334 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: I'd have a five year old, a three year old 335 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: and one might be a one month old son and 336 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: a food. Now it's just me, me, me, me, me, 337 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: me me me. I look out the window and I 338 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: think I would have a five year old and a 339 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: three year old and a beautiful wife, and I would 340 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: have a one month old son and now it's just me. 341 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: Wait weep, Doctor Bethany Marshall. It's like he's talking about, Hey, 342 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: I had a Mercedes, and I had a Cadillac, and 343 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: I had a Harley Davidson. Now I don't have him anymore. Wow. Right, Well, 344 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: you have to remember that with people who have severe 345 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: personality disorders, meaning their personality is constructed in such a 346 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: way that it's maladaptive for relating to other people, everything 347 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: that they do is attention getting. So at the moment 348 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: of being interviewed by the detective, he's not thinking, hey, 349 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to jail. He's thinking, Wow, this is fun. 350 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: Lots of attention here, and in fact, he might even 351 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: be experiencing this as if he's a celebrity or a 352 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: person of notoriety. You know, he's having his day, not 353 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: his day in court, but it's day where he's getting 354 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of attention. And you know those that tape 355 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: you played earlier where he said, you know, there was 356 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: this feeling at the back of my head and it's 357 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: as if somebody else's hands were around mine and my 358 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: needs hurt. And I think she was praying. It was 359 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: like she was praying. He's really minimizing the maliciousness of 360 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: his He's making it seem as if you know, the 361 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: devil was in him making him do it. And then 362 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: the second clip you played is like he's into full 363 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: on enjoyment in this interview. He is having a great time. 364 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I've said so many times on your show, 365 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: sociopaths do not have big picture thinking. He's not putting 366 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: two and two together that he is heading to ptitentiary. 367 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: He is just thinking, this is a really great time 368 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm having right now with these detectives speaking of psychological issues. 369 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: Real to say their home is considered psychologically impacted, the 370 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: home is or stigmatized. I would certainly want to know 371 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: if there have been a murder much let's say, triple 372 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: homicide in a home I was buying. The real estate 373 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: laws protect home purchasers. You don't want to find out 374 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: you've got a ghost or you've got a house you 375 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: can't unload in five years. Long story short, who is 376 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: going to buy that home? In the meantime? To alexas 377 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: Terresha clim online dot Com investigative reporter, what can you 378 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: tell me about all Chris Watts's girlfriends? Chris Watts has 379 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: multiple women that are not only writing to him, they're 380 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: calling him. They are visiting him in prison. These are 381 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: women who are from all ages and from all over 382 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: the country. We have seen the letters that people are 383 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: writing him, but these women have come forward and one 384 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: woman has said that she has spoken to him and 385 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: what you were just saying, what doctor Bethany Marshall was 386 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: just saying about him. He says that he had a 387 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: break and that a demon possessed him. That's what one 388 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: of the women that went to speak with him said. 389 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: He told her that he did not know what happened. 390 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: He described the actual murders of his children and his wife, 391 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: and he said, I felt like a demon possessed to me. 392 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: I didn't really know what was going on. He is 393 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: such a liar about everything. I feel like we haven't 394 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: said that word yet, but he is a liar. Everything 395 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: that he says. He just listens to police officers sort 396 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: of maybe floated in explanation. Then he says, oh, yes, 397 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: that's it. None of what he says matches with the evidence, 398 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: and everything is in hindsight and is a making up 399 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: of an excuse after they're gone. So what these women 400 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: are doing, These women who were actually very attractive women, 401 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: they are One of them is even married, and she 402 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: says she's just really his counselor, like she's a woman 403 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: who's helping him find religion behind bars. And these women 404 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: are saying that he talks about his family all the time, 405 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: that he's very sorry, but again he accepts no responsibility 406 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: for this and it was a demon that possessed him. 407 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Instead of really admitting that he planned it. He knew 408 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: exactly what he was going to do, where he was 409 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: going to take them so no one would find them. 410 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: He was having this sneaky affair. Is a crazy liar. Well, 411 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: he was having a lot of sneaky affairs, including people 412 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: he meets on tender and just just shows up at 413 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: motels along with his mistress. Nicole Cassenger just revealed giggly 414 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: voicemails from his mistress along with two other women who 415 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: now visit him behind bars, where he claims he is 416 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: a quote changed man. Why would a woman be interested 417 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: in that? I don't know? Not only that to Alexis Terreschuk, 418 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about a petition that has 419 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: about five thousand signatures on it demanding that Chris Watts 420 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: killer dad removed pictures of his pregnant wife Shanan and 421 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: his two daughters from his prison cell and returned them 422 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: to the victims family. So when Chris started doing interviews 423 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: and this you could see in his cell that he 424 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: had these pictures of the family up. People got outraged. 425 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: So on behalf of these poor victims who were no 426 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: longer there. They started petition and they said that he 427 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: should not be allowed to do this. This is these 428 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: are victims and the person that killed them should not 429 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: be allowed to have this property Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 430 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: Frank Russick tells me that the cyber bullying around this 431 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: case has been relentless since the murders about eleven months ago, 432 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: so bad that he's even gone to law enforcement and 433 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: lawmakers seeking help, but has had no assistance. So now 434 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: he's here in Colorado asking CBS four viewers to help 435 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: him stop the trolls. I can't possibly describe how painful 436 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: the last eleven months have been since father Frank Rusick 437 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: has been under attack in the most vicious ways. You 438 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: can't imagine intense cyber bullying by fans of the murderer 439 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: and trolls around the world England, Philippines, Australia. It's not 440 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: fair to this victim. We don't deserve it. Frank Russick 441 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: wanted to pressure lawmakers to step up and find a 442 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: way to limit the attacks trolls make online. His lawyers 443 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: say calling major social media companies has been useless. I 444 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be out here doing this, The Russick say, 445 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: cyberbullies are making them relive their nightmare daily. We just 446 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: try to ignore it, but sometimes you just can't ignore 447 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: the last to stop. Good on went your lives, leave 448 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: ours alone. You are hearing Shenan Watts's dad speaking to 449 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Dylan Thomas hit CBS four in Colorado. It's overwhelming to 450 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: me that online trolls are attacking NaN's family, but not 451 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: only that, there is now about a five thousand strong 452 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: petition demanding killer dad Chris Watts remove pictures of pregnant Shenan, 453 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: his wife, and his two little girls, Bellad Celeste from 454 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: his prison cell and give them back to the victims family. 455 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: The title is confiscate Chris Watts picture of his murder victims, 456 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: and it's being sent to the Wisconsin Department of Corrections. 457 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: To Alexas Stress Chuck water Online dot Com investigative reporter, 458 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: what do you know people? Are outraged that there have 459 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: been images of Chris's prison cell where he has the 460 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: pictures of his wife and his children. He murdered them. 461 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: He's serving life sentences for this, but he has these 462 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: pictures up. These are his victims. So people start a petition, 463 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: and this is not something small. These are over five 464 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: thousand signatures. People have asked the Wisconsin Correction Facility to 465 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: take these down, give these pictures back to Shenan's family 466 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: because they find it outrageous that somebody can have this 467 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: there when they are the reason these people are dead. 468 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: It's sickening, especially because now he's saying that he loved them, 469 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: and he didn't He wasn't even responsible. It was a 470 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: demon that possessed him that was responsible. Right, the devil again, 471 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, the devil makes a lot of cameo appearances 472 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and domestic homicides to Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney. 473 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: He wants to do over. He wants to have his 474 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: plea thrown out. What possible grounds could he raise to 475 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: get a do over and a chance to walk free? Well, 476 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: the this is so similar in so many ways to 477 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: mister demonic Charles Manson. I just see so many parallels. 478 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: What could he say? I was crazy? I did not 479 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: know right from wrong. Would anybody buy it? I certainly 480 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: hope not. Now, just because I'm a defense lawyer doesn't 481 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: mean I have to like all of my clients. I 482 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: want to make it very clear, this guy is a 483 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: bad guy. He can come up with everything in the book, 484 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: but there's nothing in the book that will let him 485 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: out of prison except for when and if he is 486 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: killed in prison by someone or someone's who don't like 487 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: what he did. Oh, there you go again, saying there's 488 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna be Gillhouse Justice. Okay, you know Charles Manson died 489 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: practically of old age. Please Gillhouse Justice. You know, I 490 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for 491 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: the State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, how could Shennan's body 492 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: possibly be prepared prepped at a funeral home to have 493 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: an open casket funeral? I mean, is it even possible 494 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: after manual strangulation. Well, it's very possible. You know, there's 495 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: an entire field dedicated to that, mortuary sciences, which uses 496 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: a lot of cosmetics and a lot of embalming techniques 497 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: that would make her very presentable for an open casket funeral. 498 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: You'd be surprised at what they can do for people 499 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: who are involved in accidents where they had a lot 500 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: of facial damage. They are very very good artisans and 501 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: they are very good in their in their field, and 502 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: I don't think it will be much of an effort 503 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: to make her presentable. You know, to Joseph Scott Morgan, 504 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, she suffered what we know 505 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: is called coffin birth. Explain at that moment Nancy, when 506 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: she was buried, decomposition began and as the body begins 507 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: to compromise, it's kind of natural integrity. Everything just kind 508 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: of gives way. There's a disintegration and the natural tension 509 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: that would be there to say, keep a baby in 510 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: utero is going to be released, and that at that 511 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: point in tom she would literally birth. Her body would 512 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: berth this precious little angel into that dirty environment. For 513 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: all of you women out there, God help you that 514 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: have a crush on killer dad Chris Watts, let me 515 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: detail the autopsy reports that we've obtained and the detail 516 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: and maybe they will bring you to your senses and 517 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: explain why Watts pled guilty in the face of these documents. 518 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: Nane strangled. He smothered his two little girls. Even when Bella, 519 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: aged four, fought back. How do I know that? Because 520 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: she bit her tongue and her cheeks, and the process 521 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: of fighting back. Watch this stuffed Bella just thirty eight 522 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: pounds through an eight inch hole in an oil tank, 523 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: aping her arms and legs and the process forcing her 524 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: into it. She was found three days later wearing a 525 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: little pink pajama top with hearts and butterflies on it. 526 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: Her little sister, Celeste, was found in a pink top 527 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: and a diape in an adjacent oil tank. When the 528 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: bodies were removed, they became de sleeved. Now that is 529 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: certainly a euphemism. To Joseph Scott Morgan, explain what de 530 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: sleeving is. De sleeving is literally when that top layer 531 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: think about our epidermis. People at home have learned this 532 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: in school, That epidermis of their skin and down to 533 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: the dermis begins to literally peel away. We see this 534 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: many times in advanced decomposition with bodies, where the hands 535 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: will de glove. But in this case, Nancy, just as 536 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: you had mentioned, these little girls had only been in 537 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: the for three days. That gives you an idea as 538 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: to how caustic this environment was. And now you've got 539 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: these women that are out there begging for this guy's attention, 540 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: that would literally do these too, these little children. It's 541 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: just beyond the pale. Shenan the mom. The pregnant mom 542 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: had baby Nico partially expelled from her body. He was 543 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: half in her body and half out of her body, 544 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: and both he and she were covered in dirt and sand. 545 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: The two little girls, having been in oil tanks for 546 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: days unprocessed crude oil, had the oil all in their throats, 547 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: their stomachs, and their lungs. All of you women vying 548 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: for a visitor pass to see Kris Watts writing him 549 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: love letters with hearts and flowers drawn on. Think about 550 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: that Nancy Grace crime story. Sonny Off, good Bye friend 551 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: m