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Speaker 1: and the Three and Out podcast back again super Bowl week.

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Speaker 1: It's finally here U having the background. Actually, I turned

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Speaker 1: lot going on. And then, as always, you can follow

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff. And then at the end of the show,

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Speaker 1: They're just asking about football, you know, basically every question.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with this. Peter King wrote his

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Speaker 1: long hours. You know. It's like, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Tell of it. You don't deal with any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: They deal with it all. Now. Your liability is your body.

426
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Speaker 1: But you're getting paid a lot of money, you know.

427
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: And I know everyone loves to say that Levian Bell

428
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: got screwed this year. You know, it's like God, you know,

429
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: he was just offering him those coal minor salaries. Now,

430
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: actually they offered him fourteen and a half million dollars,

431
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Speaker 1: every penny guaranteed, and he said no, which I sent

432
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: all along with stupid. But the one thing I think

433
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: the NFL has going for it, and I'm biased, I've

434
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: seen it firsthand, is the team has a lot of control. Now,

435
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: I was lucky I worked with a smart team around

436
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: people like Howie Roseman, Andy Reid. That knew what that

437
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: Brett each guys that knew what the hell they were doing.

438
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not like I worked for village idiots. Uh,

439
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: though I did. I was around Ryan Grigson, and I

440
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: was never shocked with the way everything happened in India.

441
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: But my point here is as an NFL fan, like

442
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Speaker 1: if you're an NFL fan and you're an NBA fan,

443
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: the likelihood that your NFL team can compete is exponentially higher.

444
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: Like in the NBA, the New Orleans Pelicans, now that

445
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: you know one of the top five or six players

446
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: in the league is demanding a trade, that that franchise

447
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: is screwed, like they're just done. And really, at the

448
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: end of the day, there's three or four teams they

449
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: can win in the NBA. But one of the reasons

450
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: the NFL's running circles around him one is because so

451
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: many teams every year competitive, Like do you know I

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: got news for you? Do you know He's gonna be

453
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: a sneaky Super Bowl pick might be strong, but definitely

454
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: a playoff pick. And I think a team that a

455
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna pick to win the division

456
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Speaker 1: next year. In the a f C North that's Cleveland Browns,

457
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: and I think there's some substance to it, like they

458
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: should be pretty good, you know, like you can go

459
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: from shitty to good overnight. In the NFL, it happens

460
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: all the time with a good coach with a good draft.

461
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it consistently happens. I mean, look, every year

462
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, like three or four new teams enter

463
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think this year was like six obviously,

464
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Bears. You just think about the Chargers.

465
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: Think of all the teams this year that that made it,

466
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Speaker 1: the Ravens that did not make it the previous year.

467
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: So and I'm even leaving teams out. Obviously the Falcons

468
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: made it. Who am I missing here? Who was the

469
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: six seed? The Titans of the Colts. I mean, you see,

470
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Speaker 1: it's just having the players being empowered is a risky thing,

471
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Speaker 1: and for the most part, it's gonna lead the stronger

472
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Speaker 1: the players union and the stronger the players to more

473
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Speaker 1: bad contracts. And if you're a fan, you don't want

474
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Speaker 1: bad contracts. You want your team to have flexibility. Look

475
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: at the last several years for the Washington Redskins, they

476
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: were franchising Kirk cousins every year, so they were always flexible.

477
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: If they needed to get out, they could, But they

478
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: were also paying him a boatload for his services because

479
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: he was a starting quarterback, because he was like a

480
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: borderline pro bowler. So you're like, okay, you felt okay

481
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Speaker 1: with it, but he never got tied down. Then this

482
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: year they got they let him walk. The Vikings paid

483
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Speaker 1: a boatload for him, probably too much, but that was

484
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Speaker 1: the market, and then they overpaid Alex Smith. They would

485
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Speaker 1: have been better off making Alex play this year out

486
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Speaker 1: and then franchising him twice. Instead, they gave him like

487
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Speaker 1: seventy one million dollars guaranteed for injury only. Well, what happened.

488
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: His leg fell off, So they basically signed the equivalent

489
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Speaker 1: of an NBA or a Major League Baseball contract, and

490
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: now they're screwed. It's gonna be like forty million dollars

491
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Speaker 1: of dead cap. Like if the players had a lot

492
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Speaker 1: more power in the NFL, do you know how many

493
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Speaker 1: teams would have countless Alex Smith type contracts. Now, I

494
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Speaker 1: I am not a believer like players don't deserve some

495
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: more cash, but I also think it's a slippery slope

496
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: with guaranteed money. Just because of the nature of the sport.

497
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: Guys get hurt so much and when you do have

498
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Speaker 1: an injury. You don't see it that much in baseball,

499
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: I guess occasionally with Tommy John we've seen it recently

500
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: in basketball. Uh you know, John Walls signs this enormous contract,

501
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: his knees all screwed up. The contract is a disaster.

502
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Chris Paul is a hundred sixty million dollar contract disaster,

503
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: absolute disaster. Gordon Hayward side a Max deal in Boston,

504
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: absolute disaster. Missed a season last year, this year, shell

505
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Speaker 1: of himself, and you have to plan. In the NFL,

506
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Speaker 1: you don't have those situations that often because contracts, beside

507
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you're never guaranteed. It's always why your team

508
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: so flexible. Even the Raiders who have made the playoffs

509
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: one time in sixteen years, for the last like four

510
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: or five years, they've had a lot of hope. They've

511
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: always had flexible cap, They've always had the money to

512
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Speaker 1: go sign p and they have the cash because every

513
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Speaker 1: team has the cash. I really think the most underrated

514
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Speaker 1: part about the NFL is it not being a players league.

515
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Beside it's a quarterback league obviously, but there's only like

516
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Speaker 1: fourteen to seventeen quarterbacks that truly matter. That all the

517
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: other players are kind of like just kind of pawns

518
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Speaker 1: in this whole thing that we benefit. It's why so

519
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: many teams are competitive. It's why hell the Browns were

520
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: a good watch the second half of the year. It's

521
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: why teams every year ago from worst to first. That's

522
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Speaker 1: why every year we have all these new teams in

523
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Because you have constant turnover, you're never stuck,

524
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: you're never paying this just contract like Albert Pools, who

525
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: can't even run and you're paying them thirty million dollars

526
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Speaker 1: a year. That that never happens. So I know the

527
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: media loves to talk about it, and I get the players.

528
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Speaker 1: I don't blame the players for fighting for it, but

529
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: just know this, as a fan, you benefit from having

530
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: it be a team first league, not a player first league. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into another story that I saw today. Uh.

532
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Speaker 1: It was actually starting with the McVeigh story that we

533
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: jumped off the beginning with also in the Peter King article,

534
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: and uh, i'd actually heard something similar, and it's regarding

535
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: John Gruden and drafting a quarterback this year, and I

536
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: think that the potential of him with one of those

537
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: late first round picks. I think pick twenty three and

538
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: pick twenty seven from the Cowboys and the Bears. It's

539
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: actually the Bears pick his first because obviously they got

540
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: bounced out when Cody Park he missed the kick. Maybe

541
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Speaker 1: it's twenty four and the Cowboys, you know, win in

542
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: that first round game. Uh. Not ideal, you know, for

543
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper. But one of the things

544
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Peter King wrote is that a personnel guy told him

545
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Speaker 1: that keep an eye on Gruden drafting a quarterback and

546
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Speaker 1: not just to replace Derek. And that doesn't even mean

547
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Speaker 1: The part of the story was like, I don't even

548
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: think they'll get rid of Derek. And I've actually heard

549
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: from people around Gruden he likes Derek. You know, Derek

550
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: is a people pleaser. Uh. And he is talented. Though

551
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I've said over and over, like I've been watching Derek

552
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: since he was in high school. I didn't think he

553
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: played that well really the last two years. Now. He

554
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: did show moments this year, flashes of that two thousand

555
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: sixteen campaign, but for the most part it was very

556
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: hit or miss, and Gruden is you know, kind of

557
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, stubborn when it comes to his quarterback. I mean,

558
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: that's his baby. That thing runs his offense. He's the

559
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: play caller. And part of this article was just, you know,

560
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: the people from the Ron Wolf school thought anyone that

561
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: was around Green Bay, so that's Homegren, Gruden, Marruci, Andy Reid.

562
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: They believe in drafting quarterbacks like every other year. Hell,

563
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Reggie mackenzie did it two years ago with Connor Cook

564
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: traded up for him, and I liked the move. I

565
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: just didn't like the player. So Derek, who is on

566
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: a pretty team friendly deal for having a max contract,

567
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: it gets pretty cheap moving forward to get out of

568
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: on a yearly basis. But one thing is clear. He

569
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: does no competition around him. Since becoming the starter, it's

570
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: been Connor Cook, it's been mcgloyd, it's been a J. Mccaren.

571
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: They signed Peterman. The other quarterbacks around stick, I mean

572
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: they are terrible. And as people in the league said,

573
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: God Gruden is gonna fall in love with someone. At

574
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl he was coaching the Senior Bowl. He

575
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Speaker 1: even went on record to say because him and Kyle

576
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Shanahan are friendly like they were exchanging players like between

577
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Speaker 1: meeting rooms, so they were getting to know him. I

578
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: know Drew Lock talked about at the beginning last week

579
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, Gruden sent down with him for breakfast,

580
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: drilling him on different passes that he had screwed up

581
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: on during the season. Gruden's gonna draft a quarterback. Now,

582
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I personally, if I was Gruden, I wouldn't mess around

583
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: with them super early, any of these guys. I would

584
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: not waste a first round pick on a quarterback. I

585
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: would not waste my high second round pick on a quarterback.

586
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: But if I like the guy and I'm not, I'm

587
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: just using this guy as kind of an arbitrary figure.

588
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: If I like Trace McSorley and I can get him

589
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: in fourth round, I do it. If I like Gardner

590
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Minshew and I can get him in the fifth round,

591
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: I do it. And I think I'm gonna coach that

592
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: guy up, and that's gonna be you know, Derek's backup,

593
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: because right now, the backup behind Derek is not good

594
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: enough to even begin to push him drafting a guy

595
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: when it's John Gruden drafting the guy, and clearly even

596
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: Mike Mayok has said, yeah, he's in charge. That might

597
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: light a fire just to get some extra competitive spirit

598
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: out of Derek that he doesn't even know we have

599
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: just by seeing the guy next to him in the

600
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: meeting room every day, Like this guy is coming from

601
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: my job. How Belichick's done it for years with Tom

602
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: Freak and Brady always drafting quarterbacks around him. If you're

603
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you think you're losing your job,

604
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: but there's just a competition. You ever been around a

605
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: guy when you've been a situation. The one time I

606
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: interviewed in the NFL, I got the job on the

607
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: on the spot, like that day of the interview. But

608
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: when I went to interview for the Philadelphia Eagles, they

609
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: had a cafeteria at the Novocare Center and there were

610
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: two other people in their interviewing also for that same job.

611
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: It was kind of intimidating, but like it helped me

612
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: get laser focused. And you know, it's like that with

613
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: coaching interviews. You know who else is interviewing. It's like

614
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: that with players, Like competition is healthy. I think Gruden,

615
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't even think this is a story. He is

616
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback to me, it's just what round. I

617
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: would not even if I loved the guy, I would

618
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: not screw around with the first round quarterback. I don't think.

619
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Speaker 1: First off, I don't think any guy is good enough

620
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: in this league or excuse me, in this draft to

621
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: do that. But I think they're definitely drafting one. So

622
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: if you're a team in the NFL and teams do this,

623
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: you start building a board of other teams needs, so

624
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: you start getting a feel for what teams are gonna take,

625
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: what type players wear. And quarterback is a need for

626
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Not a starting quarterback, but a quarterback in

627
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: this draft. In this draft, while it is not very

628
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: tap top heavy, I don't think it has anywhere near

629
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: the prospects of last Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Uh,

630
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen. I mean we had four guys going

631
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: the top ten. That's borderline unheard of. Hell, that might

632
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: be an NFL. Right, that's pretty crazy when you think

633
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: about it. But this year, I think you're gonna get

634
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: like twelve quarterbacks drafted, Like all those Senior Bowl guys

635
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: are just getting drafted. So I think Gruden, you know,

636
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Speaker 1: I don't know which one, but I'd be shocked if

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Speaker 1: he didn't fall in love or kind of become, you know,

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Speaker 1: smitten as the as the thing we'll talk about next

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Speaker 1: with a quarterback at the Senior Bowl. The story I

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Speaker 1: saw today, I think in the Denver Post was that

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Speaker 1: John Elway, I love this word, is smitten for Missouri

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Speaker 1: quarterback Drew Lock. And I've read this a couple of

643
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Speaker 1: places that Lway likes Drew Lock. Now the Denver Broncos

644
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Speaker 1: Draft tenth can you take Drew Lock? Ten? No, I'm

645
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Speaker 1: not the biggest Drew Lock fan. I don't really love

646
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Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks in this draft, but I get

647
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: away right, he's somewhat desperate four quarterback, and I think

648
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: sometimes that can force you to like a guy you

649
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: know a little more than you should. But whatever, maybe

650
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: he really likes this guy. Now, his history recently is

651
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: not great at picking these quarterbacks. But I'm not gonna

652
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: spend much time on this, but I just everyone needs

653
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to be aware of this when you read things like

654
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Speaker 1: this over the next month. A lot of it is

655
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Speaker 1: the leaks coming out that teams want you to think

656
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Speaker 1: one thing because it gets out for the other teams

657
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: when really they like someone else. And I'm not saying

658
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Speaker 1: this report on Drew Lock because I've seen enough people

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Speaker 1: and clearly Elway talks to people. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: he gives a ship. He likes the guy. He'll just

661
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Speaker 1: tell you. I don't think he's necessarily playing games. But

662
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Speaker 1: you're gonna read a lot over the next month. A

663
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Speaker 1: team likes this guy, A team likes that guy. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these gms and head coaches will not meet

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Speaker 1: the player, like literally see them together for the first

666
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Speaker 1: time until the combine. So a lot of the g

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Speaker 1: ms have not seen a player in person for the

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Speaker 1: most part. The head coach definitely has not. So until

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Speaker 1: you see a guy live in person and talk to

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00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: him and get a feel for him, you can watch

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Speaker 1: the tape. It's one thing to watch an NFL free

672
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: agent tape. You've already met the player, you already evaluated

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00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: him coming out. It's another thing with a college prospect.

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Speaker 1: So watching the tape is a huge part of it.

675
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: But you gotta meet the person. You gotta see him

676
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: in person. You have to actually sit down and talk

677
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: with them like these are human beings. So now, obviously

678
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Elway met Drew Lock at the Senior Bowl and a

679
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: lot of general managers got to meet these players. And

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Speaker 1: I think the last two years it's average like thirty

681
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: three percent of the draft have come from the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So it's a big deal. Senior Bowls a big deal.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I would say probably a hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of the g ms were there, but a definitely not

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Speaker 1: a percent of the coaches. Might be less than fifty

686
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Speaker 1: of the head coaches went. And even if the head

687
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: coach is not picking the players, he's playing a role

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: in the draft process. For the most part, you're not

689
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Speaker 1: going to draft a player that the head coach does

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Speaker 1: not like. So the overall point of this is just

691
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Speaker 1: be when you read something that you're team likes player X,

692
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: especially before the combine, it's probably fake news, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it's necessarily true after the combine,

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Speaker 1: but there might be some validity to it because at

695
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: least they've met with the person, watched them work out,

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: and obviously evaluated the tape. So I just think when

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: you hear this is a process, the draft process, it

698
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: really is true, and it's really kind of just taking

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00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: shape now all the position the the regional scouts in

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00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: college department have evaluated these players. A lot of them

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00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: have seen them, you know, live, but most of the

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: head coaches and the general managers have not because during

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00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the season there with the team, the NFL team, they

704
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: don't really get to go on the road as much.

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00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: They don't have time. So just just be careful when

706
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: you read things, especially things that you don't want to read,

707
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: like I hate that player, your your general manager coach

708
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: might hate that player as well. So this the draft

709
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: process to me, really doesn't really kind of come full

710
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: circle till like the end of Pro Day. There is

711
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: so much information to be gained and so much vetting

712
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to be done over the next couple of months that

713
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: you gotta be really careful just with these type stories

714
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: that you know, it's probably a fifty fifty chance that

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: this is they're not even true. Okay, uh, let's get

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Speaker 1: to the Middlecoff mail back slide up into my Instagram

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Speaker 1: d M s at John Middlecoff j O h n

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Speaker 1: M I D d Ellie k a uff kind of

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Speaker 1: a tough name to spell in. You know, I've been

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Speaker 1: humbled over the years when I first got a job

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Speaker 1: at the Eagles and I think Fresno State too. They

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Speaker 1: only put one f They couldn't even spell my name right,

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Speaker 1: so I mean it'll humble you. Tough, tough name. It's

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Speaker 1: not exactly Smith or Johnson or something, so I get it. John.

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00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: What's Derek Carr and the Raiders beef with you? I

726
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: saw Derek had blocked you on Twitter. That's a great question.

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00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: You know. I've always been a Derek supporter, but I'm also,

728
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, kind of hang my hat on just being

729
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: real and being authentic. I didn't think he played that well.

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00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Uh you know, maybe I I have tweeted before. I

731
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: think he should ask for a trade. I think it'd

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00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: be a win win for both teams. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't like it. Uh, I don't know. He

734
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: blocked me. You know, I've known him for ten plus

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Speaker 1: years and he get he gave me the old blocker

736
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: rou on Twitter. So you know, you live and you

737
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: learn the Raiders have just hated me for years because

738
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: they thought I was too critical. It's like, hey, guys,

739
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: you guys just stink and you're leaving my town. So

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Speaker 1: I I stick up for you know, my friends and

741
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: my neighbors. I'm a community. John middlecoffs a community first

742
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: individual and when you screw over members of my community,

743
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: I stand up for them. Uh so they didn't like that.

744
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Maybe Derek thought I was too

745
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: harsh about real location. I I don't know. Uh, I

746
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: don't get it, if you know, I do. I did

747
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: see stephen A say something when he was going back

748
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: and forth with Derek, and I do, and I did agree.

749
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: No players and just people in general, ever get mad

750
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: when you give them compliments. Like obviously, Derek wouldn't have

751
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: blocked me when I was saying you should have won

752
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: the MVP two years ago. The Raiders would never have

753
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: gotten mad at me if I said, God, they're just

754
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: the best organization going. People only really get mad when

755
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: you're critical of them. And in this job, you know,

756
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: in the position I'm in and the position to anyone's

757
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: in that talks for a living like you gotta do both.

758
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: You know, you can't tell me it's sunny when it's

759
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: pouring rain, and it's it's a tough position, you know.

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: It's why you know I'm not gonna have close relationships

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00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: with players. I have a lot, actually a lot of

762
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: close relationships with coaches and executives and a lot of

763
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: them I've been critical of, but they can handle it there.

764
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: It's part of the job. That's why they make a

765
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of money. You know. It's just I don't know,

766
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I'm still a Derek Carr fan, though,

767
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: and I think that if he is with the Raiders,

768
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, I think he'll definitely have a better year.

769
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: But he has to play better when you get paid

770
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: all that money. In the landscape of the NFL in

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00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, Moore's asked of you, and you just

772
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: gotta be He has to be better. As a Carolina fan,

773
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Cam is the most frustrating paradox in the world. Nobody

774
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: seems to question his elite athleticism or arms. Right. True,

775
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: he's got all the weapons, but he doesn't seem to

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00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: care about the hard work of fixing his fundamentals. He

777
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: seems more focused on fashion. He's like the owner of

778
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: a nice sports car who never does any cleaning or maintenance.

779
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: How do we fix them? Is it about getting the

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: right coach changing his mindset? What do you think? It's

781
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: a hell of a question. Good analogy too. I do

782
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: think Cam works pretty hard, but he has been gifted,

783
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, probably in the history of the NFL, some

784
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest physical gifts we've ever seen. You know,

785
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: I went to the last time I saw him live

786
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: was that the last year Candlestick and the Niners played

787
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Speaker 1: the Panthers. And I remember and I had seen him

788
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: because I had went to his draft. The Eagles had

789
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Speaker 1: sent me in two thousand eleven to Radio City Music Hall,

790
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Speaker 1: so I saw him that year. He went number one,

791
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Speaker 1: and he was huge. But I remember seeing him like

792
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: three years later when the when they played the Panthers

793
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: and thinking like, oh my god, this guy looks like

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Speaker 1: Lebron James. Yeah, he's one of the all time physical freaks,

795
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Speaker 1: but he's never been accurate. Like he's one of those

796
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Speaker 1: guys that depends on running. You know, his MVP season

797
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: was his most accurate season, but he also rushed for

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Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. Like he's a guy you run quarterback power for. Like,

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Speaker 1: he's never really been my type quarterback, but I've never

800
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: argued that when he's on, he could win any game,

801
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl, a playoff game, a big regular season game, whatever.

802
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Like he is as potent as any player we have

803
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: in this league. But like his his just basic flaw

804
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: is he's inaccurate, and that's never really gonna change. And

805
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 1: you're not gonna change his fundamentals at thirty years old,

806
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: and now he's coming off you know, major shoulder surgery. Uh.

807
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: You know. I I think when a player tells you, like,

808
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Speaker 1: we kind of note, Cam is what he is. As

809
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: long as he has athletic gifts are still there, and

810
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: let's just assume his arm strength is still strong, he's

811
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: gonna be a factor. But I think the m v

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Speaker 1: P type of year is an outlier that's kind of

813
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: proven he's a different cat. I do think I'll give

814
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: him some credit. I think he's matured a little bit

815
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Speaker 1: over the year over the years, because I do think

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00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: he came in the league a pretty immature guy, and

817
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: he's had some immature moments over the year. And I

818
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: think it's hard to be a quarterback when your highs

819
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: are so high and your lows are so low. It was,

820
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, my problem with his Super Bowl antics. After

821
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, It's like, Cam, two weeks ago, you

822
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: were on top of the world, and now you're down

823
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: in the dumps. You're like a bipolar football player. You

824
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: can't act like that. You kind of gotta be consistent.

825
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you don't get to celebrate, because

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00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: you do, but like Cam, are you gonna celebrate every

827
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: first down like Brady celebrity's touchdowns and wins, Like I

828
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: don't need you celebrating a seven yard run to move

829
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: the sticks, you know, in the first quarter. But that's

830
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of that's just his DNA, that's who he is.

831
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of a show boat who's kind

832
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: of been humbled these last couple of years. But if

833
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: he bounces back and he's healthy, like they got no

834
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: excuses at DJ and more of the rookie I got

835
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: is legit Christian McCaffrey. I'll be honest, I was wrong.

836
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: He's a star. Like that team is good Luke kick

837
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Lee superstar. Like they have no business if Cam's healthy

838
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: to not compete for the playoffs. But one of the

839
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: reasons they it feels like they missed the playoffs every

840
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: other years because Cam's play is not consistent. Now you

841
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: got North Turner. I think Ron River is a good coach.

842
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: You got an owner willing to spend cash, has a

843
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of cash, tyn to win. Man now I know

844
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: they have one. But like if you're gonna win a

845
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Cam, You're not gonna do it when he's

846
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: thirty eight. He's gonna have He's probably got a couple

847
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: of years left, assuming he bounces back to kind of

848
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Speaker 1: make a run here. So it's gotta I think it's

849
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: got to happen these next couple of years, and it's

850
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult. The Saints are still gonna be good,

851
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: The Bucks are not going to be as shitty as

852
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: they abandoned with Bruce arians right, and the Falcons just

853
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: had so many injuries this year. They're gonna be better. No,

854
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: it's just tough division, arguably the the toughest division in football.

855
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I I think you you know,

856
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: you just gotta keep your fingers crossed that his shoulder

857
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: gets back to a percent and just kind of hope

858
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: they catch lightning in a bottle because he probably only

859
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: has a couple of really good years left because as

860
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: he ages, his athleticism is gonna diminish, and he's not

861
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: an accurate pastor. So it's not a great combination. Hey, John,

862
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about the future of the Browns. What is

863
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: your honest opinion of Baker? He receives a lot of

864
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: hype following the record breaking rookie season, and rightfully so,

865
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: but do you think he is a star for years

866
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: to come? Also, how much does Freddy Kitchens have to

867
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: do with his future success? Start with the ladder. I mean,

868
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: your coach has a lot to do with your quarterbacks

869
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: future success. So Freddy Kitchens is a legit coach. He

870
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: looked like a pretty legit offensive coordinator in his short

871
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: you know ten ure. Once he took over as the interim, Uh,

872
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: he'd be in good shape when it comes to Baker,

873
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he can be an excellent player.

874
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: I think he can be a pro bowler. You know,

875
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: if you if you draft a pro bowler that you're

876
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: in great shape. If that guy plays quarterback, right, if

877
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: you have a Pro Bowl quarterback, that means you will

878
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna make the playoffs, which if as Cleveland Browns,

879
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. And I don't know if that's

880
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: gonna be next year. But I think he has that

881
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: type skill because his most important attribute is he's really

882
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: really accurate, and that's a big deal in the NFL.

883
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: And he has a good arm, so like a lot

884
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks are at like Alex Smith was accurate, but

885
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: his arm wasn't great. You know, Philip Rivers is accurate,

886
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: but sometimes his arm strength gets him in trouble. Like

887
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: Baker has a good arm and he's really accurate now

888
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: sometimes a little like Cam I don't love the antics

889
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: the high and low. But he is young. I I

890
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: do think he'll mature as he gets humbled a little

891
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: bit in this game. But he's good man. Uh tight

892
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: ends legit Chubb's legit. Jarvis is a legit slot receiver.

893
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: They clear really need to get some outside receivers. Be shocked,

894
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: right if they don't draft, Hell, maybe a couple receivers

895
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: in this draft, and be active in free agency or trades,

896
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: because if you can get enough, if you can get

897
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: a good outside weapon. Uh, the kid they got from Florida,

898
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Callaway can't catch the ball him and Higgins feels like

899
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: dropped the ball too much. Clearly Callaway does they need

900
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: to get a legitimate, just outside just a solid player.

901
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, just like a like I'm Michael Crabtree.

902
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean I'm just pulling a name out of my

903
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, out of nowhere here. Obviously, Michael crabs You're

904
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: not a free agent, but just just a good outside

905
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: receiver because you gotta running game, you got a tight end.

906
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: You clearly got a good slot receiver. And then Baker

907
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: can make guys better and then Callaway and Higgins can

908
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: be like fourth and fifth wide receivers instead of having

909
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: to be like second and third. So I'm a Baker guy. Uh.

910
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: I get Collins apprehension for the personality because usually that

911
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: type personality does not work at quarterback. So I do

912
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: think he's got a mature to kind of reach his ceiling.

913
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: But he's young. I mean, how would he And I

914
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: don't blame him for being that a little immature. He

915
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma, he kicked as then he was drafted

916
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: number one. Then he became a starter and kind of

917
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: revitalized the Brown So he hasn't really been humbled yet.

918
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: I know he'll love to tell you, well, I had

919
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: to earn a scholarship. Yeah that was a while ago. Now,

920
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been the starting quarterback at Oklahoma for

921
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: three straight years. Now you're started in the NFL. So

922
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: we all come, you know, humble roots or whatever, but

923
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: you can the farther you get away from your humble roots,

924
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, you could say, you know, I grew up

925
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: this way. I mean I grew up humble roots or whatever.

926
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: But you start kind of feeling yourself and then it

927
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: starts getting backed by people start feeling you. Not literally,

928
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean figuratively. Uh, you know. I

929
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: I think he'll he might need to be humbled before

930
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: he becomes a quote unquote star. But I like the

931
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: player a lot, you know, I think best case scenario,

932
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and it sounds a little crazy, I do think he

933
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: has a lot of parallel maybe a little more athletic,

934
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: just because Drew Brees not that athletic, but that type

935
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: game you know, six ft guy that is just really accurate,

936
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and he's got a better arm. So I think he's

937
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: that type player. Now, is he gonna have Drew Brees

938
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: career More than likely, No, But but I do think

939
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: he can be a version of of that, a poor

940
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: man's version. If he becomes a poor man's version of

941
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I mean, Drew Brees a Hall of Famer,

942
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: he's like a you know, ten time pro bowler. If

943
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: Baker's a five time pro bowler, it makes the playoffs

944
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: a couple of time. That's a raging success. Given the

945
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: team that you know he's taken over. Okay, middlecof Uh.

946
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: A couple of questions might take on Antonio Brown is

947
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: if he isn't careful, he's gonna become more Chad Johnson

948
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: than Marvin Harrison and not make the Hall of Fame,

949
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: especially if he doesn't play with Big Bend going forward.

950
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Question how will the new rules and current era affect

951
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: wide receivers make in the Hall of Fame? Who are

952
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: the current receivers that will be in the Hall of Fame?

953
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: Is there a chance Antonio Brown doesn't make it? Second question,

954
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: your future? You haven't really got oh. I thought you

955
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: could say you haven't really gotten You've gotten better every week,

956
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and I think you have the best takes on football

957
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: in the media. Agreed. What do you want to be

958
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: in your future? Would you want to do TV? More video?

959
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Okay, let's start with Antonio Brown before

960
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: we dive into the Middlecoff future. I think Antonio Brown's

961
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. I mean, just check his last

962
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: five years. He's incredible. I mean, he's one of the

963
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: best wide receivers we've ever seen. I do think the

964
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: stats are clearly inflated. But I think there's some pretty

965
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: clear Hall of famers, Like Antonio Brown's a Hall of Famer,

966
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is a Hall of Famer. If DeAndre Hopkins

967
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: stays healthy, he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Uh,

968
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: there's some old Larry Fitzgerald Hall of Famer, you know that.

969
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some guys in this league that

970
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: all I'm just saying these guys off top of my head.

971
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I think Antonio Brown is much

972
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: better than Chad Johnson. I mean, Antonio Brown is it

973
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: just had one of the great five year stretches we've

974
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: ever seen in NFL history, like the stat test, the

975
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: eye test. Uh, just hearing coaches talk about him test

976
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: like he is an elite all time player. Now, I

977
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: do think anytime you change quarterbacks and you kind of

978
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: have this attitude, like I think the Ojo Sinko is

979
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: a bad cop. I think it's closer to Terrell Owens,

980
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: where he's clearly kind of a problem, but he's so

981
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: good that you deal with it. One thing t O

982
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: had is he was louder than Antonio. Like Antonio, like

983
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: TiO never shut up. It doesn't feel like Antonio talks

984
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: that much, and I follow him on all the social

985
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: media platforms, but it feels a little more less harmless now.

986
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I I don't know anyone with the Steelers, so to

987
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: get the true true dirt on what he's like on

988
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: a daily basis clearly somewhat of a pain in the asked.

989
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: But he's been so dominant. Yeah, I do not think

990
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: he's Chad Johnson. I think he's a I think he's

991
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. And then my future my question. Uh,

992
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: you know. I used to aspire to do stuff when

993
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I was in radio, and then the medium changed so

994
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: much and I can have a really good living doing

995
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: this podcast. I have another podcast I've talked about Haybram

996
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: and Middle Coff. I have a periscope show that I've

997
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: sold that I own. Uh, you know, I like running

998
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: my own life. And I've been an employee and I've

999
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: been a quote unquote owner of stuff or even a

1000
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: partner and stuff like with this, I like being in

1001
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: full control. I'm just not a great team guy, uh,

1002
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: unless it has to do with the message that I

1003
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: want to do so, and I think the way the

1004
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: media has changed, just the platforms like I can make

1005
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: money off doing a periscope show into Twitter, off my iPad.

1006
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: I do these. I do these podcasts that are more

1007
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: profitable than I ever had on a radio station where

1008
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: I made pretty good money, and I control. I do

1009
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: it for my house, you know. So I don't know

1010
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: really what the future holes. Like what is television? Like

1011
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: everyone's cord cutting? Like is the future of television? YouTube?

1012
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm probably not active enough. I have a YouTube channel.

1013
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: I think it's John Middlecoff, but like that's to me

1014
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: where the future is going, and you get to control

1015
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: it all. So you know, I can't tell you I

1016
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: have like a set goal that I want to do

1017
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: X because I think we've never seen the landscape of

1018
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: all this Chugh stuff changed so fast. Like I loved

1019
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: reading newspapers and reading Sports Illustrated when I was a kid,

1020
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Like Sports Illustrated It's not even gonna be around in

1021
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years. So I I've just got to

1022
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: be able to adapt with whichever's coming. And to be honestly,

1023
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't quite know what's coming, you know. I mean,

1024
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: look look at Colin. If you want to listen to

1025
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: a show, think of the places you can find it.

1026
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: You find it on podcasts, which, as he's tweeted out,

1027
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: like set records in two thousand eighteen, like hundreds of

1028
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: millions of hundred and fifteen millions or something people listened.

1029
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: You can watch it on FS one. That you can

1030
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: also if you have FS one on your cable package

1031
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: or YouTube TV or whatever, you can stream it on

1032
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: your iPad. You can listen to him when I get

1033
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: in my car on Serious XM radio. So I just

1034
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: think there's so many different platforms in so many different ways,

1035
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: and I like the business aspect as you can tell

1036
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast that I don't know. I mean,

1037
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: I you know, twenty years ago, you'd be like, I

1038
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: gotta get my own sports television show and my own

1039
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: radio show. I don't even think you have to do

1040
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: that anymore. I mean, through Colin and through my other platforms,

1041
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: Like I have so many people listening to me that

1042
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have been existed ten years ago. So, you know,

1043
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: I pride myself on you know, you you gotta adapt

1044
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: or die. So I've just gotta keep adapting, you know.

1045
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know what the future holds.

1046
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: I do know what the future holds though that all

1047
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: another podcast come Friday called Through and Out with Me Middlecoff. Uh,

1048
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: and I appreciate everyone listening, Like you can always slide

1049
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: up into my d M s at John Middlecoff on

1050
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: instau easiest way to get ahold of me, email me

1051
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: and my emails on my Twitter account saying at John Middlecoff,

1052
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: easiest way. It's easier to get ahold of me. Again,

1053
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: I say it all the time on social media than

1054
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: it is actually calling me sad, but it's just the truth.

1055
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: Uh So thanks for listening, and uh let's see what

1056
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: the future holds. Just keep on floating in the wind.

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