WEBVTT - Epstein Victims Say They Have A List, But Will We Ever See It? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:07.560 Hey, folks, it is Thursday, September the fourth, and Jeffrey 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:13.760 Epstein's victims concede he did not have a list. So 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.800 they have announced they are going to put their own 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:23.240 list of Epstein clients together. However they might not ever 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.120 let us see it. And with that, everybody, welcome to 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.080 Amy and TJ presents the Epstein Victims Robes. This was 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.720 an extraordinary showing outside the Capitol yesterday. Some of these 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.920 Epstein victims. We had over ten, some of them we 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.720 never heard from before, and a bombshell of sorts that 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.440 kind of got lessened a bit. But that's no doubt 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.680 a headline. They're saying they're gonna put together their own list. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.600 Yes, and they say that there are hundreds, if not 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.920 thousands of Epstein victims, and yeah, they're going to try 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.520 and together collectively come up with a list. And it 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.440 wasn't as if they had to come up with it. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:07.600 They said very unequivocally that we know who's involved, we 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.440 know who the perpetrators are, we know who abused some 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.480 of us, but you're not ever possibly going to hear 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.759 the names because we're afraid to tell you. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.040 So they got a lot of questions at the press 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.759 conference which was organized by a couple of members of Congress, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.480 a Democrat and a Republican who are now putting together 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.920 legislation and trying to get a vote forced in Congress 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:39.360 about the Epstein files to release all Epstein files. Robes 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.399 LUs stop there. I'm not sure what we're talking about 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.080 anymore when we're talking about the Epstein files. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.800 I'm not sure either, TJ. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.880 Because yes, we heard directly from Congressman Rocanna, who actually 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.280 made the statement that less than one percent of the 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.840 Jeffrey Epstein files have been released. What that, to me 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.840 was an incredibly confusing statement. I'm not saying it isn't true, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:11.079 but that's the first I've heard that number less than 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.079 one percent of the Jeffrey Epstein files have been released. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.000 And yes, he said, they have all two hundred and 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.480 twelve Democrats, and right now they have four Republicans who 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.639 would force this vote. They need two more Republicans. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.960 Which Speaker Johnson said they will not get, so he 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.760 doesn't believe that the vote is going to come up. Fine, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.000 But rote to your point, Congressman kNN of California, Democrat, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.520 why what does that? I don't have context for that. Statement. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.840 It could be accurate to a degree, but frankly, a 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.560 lot of what are we seen lately is a lot 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.600 of politicians play with these numbers and play with the 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.519 and play these word games. It might be technically true, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.520 but not really true. I don't know what that means. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:50.600 I have not heard that somewhere. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.400 Could it involve all the redactions? And look, obviously we 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:59.280 know there are other documents that those who have seen 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.680 them claim. All they will do is put out names 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.080 of innocent people. So just because someone had a business 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.200 dealing with, or knew or was friendly with Jeffrey Epstein, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.760 or there was some sort of transaction financially, those all 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.000 could have been very legal and on. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.920 The up sort of relationships. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.880 They don't mean that any of those people did anything wrong, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:23.880 or anything illegal, or anything immoral. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.800 So by releasing names. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.720 Of people who he worked alongside and perhaps traveled with 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:34.000 and just consorted with, they'll do more harm than good 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.480 putting these names out. That's the only thing that I 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.640 know that has been deliberately withheld. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.200 Okay, so let's talk about how we got here. Yes, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.080 so they planned this press conference the congressman of the 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.920 attorney for the women and really at least ten of 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.680 them that were up there, and they all spoke. This 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.120 conference went on for a couple of hours actually outside 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.120 at the Capitol. Now several of them got up and 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.080 they did they I think these women are to be 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:07.320 believed right of what they experienced. Many of them absolutely 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:12.000 have stories that I believe, generally speaking, the veracity of 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.400 them has been accepted. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.480 And look, Brad Edwards is their attorney and absolutely interviewed him, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.280 worked with him. He has been working officially with Epstein 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.520 victims for more than a decade. And most of these 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.800 victims at the time were all Jane Doe one, Jamee 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.080 Doe two, Jaane do three. They weren't putting their names 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.120 to their stories. So it was a very big deal 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.840 that there he was standing with a lot of these 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.800 women who he has been representing, I don't want to 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.440 say clandestinely, but certainly anonymously for more than a decade, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.839 actually stood out in front of reporters, in front of cameras, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.440 in front of the Capitol and told their story. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:51.559 That was a big deal. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.360 So Lisa Phillips is one robes that got a lot 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.919 of attention. She is not one necessarily. It's been in 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.320 the shadows, because she even has a podcast where she 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.520 talks about people being groomed and what happened to her 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.840 and Epstein victims. So she has been talking about there 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.240 and been out there. But she told her story. She 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.839 said she had been abused. She talked about trying to 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.520 get away from Epstein, going to his island and having 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.400 to be in the same circles with him and whatnot. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.320 But she I guess robe. She she only spoke for 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.040 a couple of minutes, a short time, but in her 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.000 prepared remarks she was the one that dropped a bombshell 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.120 essentially that had newsrooms and certainly the reporters on the 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.359 scene buzzin'. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:35.440 She did. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.039 She actually ended her statement by saying, I would like 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.440 to announce here today, so now everybody's listening, all ears 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.240 are perked up. She went on to say, us Epstein 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.760 survivors have been discussing creating our own list. We know 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.640 the names many of us were abused by them. Now 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.159 together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.240 all know who regularly were in the Epstein world. And 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.440 it will be done for survivors and buy survivors. No 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.719 one else is involved, Stay tuned for more details. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.760 That was interesting. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.600 All right, let's just stop right there. There is more 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.560 we're going to get into folks about her because she 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.640 came up and followed up and that caused a little 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:24.440 more what confusion and certainly dissatisfaction among some of the 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.200 press corps. But take her at that statement. What was 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.400 your reaction to first hearing that? 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:35.080 Well, so I was a little confused, because, look, I 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:41.800 understand that there is a fear of retribution in some way, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:46.320 but at this point, if they weren't heard, listened to, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.400 or believed, and they weren't for more than a decade, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.120 if you were ever going to say who is responsible 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.960 and actually want justice, why wouldn't you say their names now? 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.480 If there ever was a protection before, there would certainly 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:07.000 be now because the world has been waiting and listening 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.880 and really, I mean, I hate to you use this word, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.320 but hungry for. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:12.520 Names. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.680 This has been floated for so long. So if they 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.240 are saying they know the rich and powerful people who 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.560 exploited them and who abused them, why wouldn't they, in 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.200 the name of justice give those names to the press 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.640 right there with those microphones and the cameras rolling. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.160 Why not say them. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.480 Now, well, I get to you this point again. At 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.120 this point in the press conference when she makes this announcement, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.840 she says, this is going to be an ongoing process 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.160 of compiling the name. She didn't say necessarily they had 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.960 them or complete lists that they're going to all agree 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.960 to at some point, but just the idea that there's 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.560 not a list, but one is going to be created. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.440 They are going to create, they are going to compile 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.240 in secret, just them, nobody else involved. That guess they're 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.680 trying to tell us that no politics is involved in that. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.000 This is just us, for us, by us. I thought 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.559 when I've heard that, initially my eyes got big, well wow, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.800 and then I got concerned because now we got another 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.840 list floating around that people are going there's going to 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.560 be more conspiracy theorists about and more conjecture about who's 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.960 on and who do It's just like, oh, this is 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.520 going to cause another mess. But that was a bombshell 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.840 announcement today that there will be a client list. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.320 That we may or may not ever hear. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.200 Well, I hadn't gotten to that just yet. There were 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.120 several other people who did speak during the press conference today. Again, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.120 several of them got up and told their stories robes. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.560 I didn't recognize. I know some of them talked for 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.439 the first time, but I didn't recognize a lot of 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:45.920 these folks and a lot of these names. I guess 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.120 Virginia Guphray was the one that most people do know. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.280 Obviously she died by suicide earlier this year. But a 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.000 lot of these and I'm ask you as well, are 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.280 these folks besides from the young lady who is has 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.959 a podcastn't been out there? I did, I wasn't familiar 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.360 with a lot of these names, and a lot of these. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.160 Folks they aren't household names, but they have been speaking 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.760 again as like Jane do Number one, Jane Don't number 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.840 two through court documents. Their stories have been told, but 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.240 I had not seen names and faces attached to stories 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:17.800 the way we did in. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:18.600 This press conference. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.679 And some of these women have spoken out in recent years, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.440 certainly following the death of Jeffrey Epstein, and some of 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.200 these women testified in the Galaine Maxwell trial, so their 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.200 identities would have been protected during that time. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.360 So yeah, this might be. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.600 The first time a lot of us have seen at 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.199 least the faces go along with the stories and the names. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.360 Conte Davies one of them. I believe she did say 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.199 she testified, yes, at one of the trials. She youngly 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.480 told her story. She says she's been she's been a 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.679 survivor of decades of trauma by Maxwell and Epstein. Look, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.800 this was two thousand and two, I think she said 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.280 when she first got into that world. So if you 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.400 think about that, No, she's not saying the abuse went 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.880 on for twenty years. What she's saying is she's been 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:03.439 dealing with this for decades and it hasn't necessarily gone away. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.760 I was interested Robes to hear her tell the story 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.120 of how she got in the world. This was a 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.320 young lady who was trying to be an actress. She 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.720 was trying to advance her career in La met Glaine Maxwell, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.960 and this is how she put it. She was told 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.280 by a person she trusted that asked her to meet 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.440 a powerful woman who could help advance my career. That 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.680 woman happened to be Glainne Maxwell. I was asked to 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.760 give her a massage, though I had almost no experience, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.640 and when I did, she praised me and promised to 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.320 introduce me to someone enormously powerful, someone who had changed 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.880 the course of my life. That man was Jeffrey Epstein. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.199 Is this how it went? It was such a bizarre 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.120 to hear her tell the tale. I know they've told 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.960 their stories before, but she was a twenty twenty one 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.760 to twenty two year old actress. You, a friend says, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.360 meet this lady, I know because she could help you 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.000 with your career. And she asked for a masage, and 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:07.160 the young lady complied. That is something I think a 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.600 lot about this story that's hard to figure out. What 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.600 was Glaine Maxwell, What were they thinking? And what were 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.880 these well young ladies also possibly thinking. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.640 According to many of these young ladies, and some of 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:25.080 them were wildly underage starting at the age of fourteen fifteen, sixteen, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.640 and their promised money in exchange for a massage, and 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.640 in a classic grooming styling, each massage gets a little 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.440 bit more sexual to the point where it ends up 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:41.040 being full blown abuse. So I get that now when 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.440 you are this seemed as though it was abuse via 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.000 transaction almost and it wasn't exactly like Harvey Weinstein, because 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.640 those stories were of forcible He was forcing himself on 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.520 actresses who wanted roles in private hotel rooms. This was 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.760 a little bit different, but they all did. Every story 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.520 that I have heard so far involves these massages that 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:03.400 turned sexual. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.800 But I do think it's also some of these stories. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.000 Some of these women who stood up today talked about 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.120 them wanting something, and Jeffrey Epstein promising something basically a career, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.480 a modeling career, an acting career, and so he took 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.440 advantage of young women who had goals and aspirations. I 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.600 believe it was Lisa Phillips who said, I thought this 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.680 was really interesting. She said, hundreds of ambitious young women 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.079 in New York City were abused by Epstein. The victims 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.640 were not just underaged girls in Florida. I don't even 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.719 like the idea of pitting those two groups of victims 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.040 against one another, but I did think it was interesting. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.960 She used hundreds of ambitious young women in New York City. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.320 So from her story and from the story of Chante, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:54.480 it did seem as though they wanted something from him. Connections, opportunities, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.920 doors opened, and in some cases those did happen. At 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.640 least Lisa talk about being introduced and being able to 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.480 meet the head of the Ford Agency Ford Modeling Agency, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.320 but Chants said very quickly that all of her his 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.320 promises were empty or they all came with a catch, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.880 and that's the abuse that she's referencing. And she said, 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.600 he told me to keep it a secret, Dad. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.920 But to hear her say, she meets a woman who 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.320 immediately tells her to give her a massage, and the 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.880 next thing you know, she says, she meets Epstein. I 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.920 was an excited young woman on top of the world. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.760 He flew me to his private island and listened to 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.760 my dreams, promised to help. Like you said, promise came 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.400 with a catch. That's a to hear if this was 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.320 the method, if this was their m it was just 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:46.880 I didn't when you meet some what it's tough to understand. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.720 You meet a woman for the first time of the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.200 business tranks action helped me with my career. Give me 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.120 a massage. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.400 That's just odd for yes, And I think a lot 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.280 of people and you don't want to judge or victim 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.760 shame in any way, but a lot of people are 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.120 scratching their heads just thinking, what did you think this 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.360 was going to lead to? If that was the entrance 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.520 give this woman a massage. And then she said she 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.000 complimented her on her massage abilities, even though she said 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.880 she had never been trained. I just feel like, at 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.320 least let this be a cautionary tale to any other 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.160 young woman out there trying to make it in whatever industry. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.040 Someone says, yeah, meet me, but give me a massage, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.680 that's a really huge red flag. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.120 But that does not obviously you going to make sure 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.560 this is not a victim blaming situation. But to hear 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.520 how this was the first time I've heard a detail. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.840 She talked about liking massages herself all the time. Right. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.200 She says, she would go recruit, she would go to 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.960 her own places to get massages at professional places, and 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.800 she'd have a nice one. And then she said, oh, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.800 Epstein might like this person to think. You meet somebody 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.800 for the first time who was an actress, and you 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:02.360 ask her for a massage. What were these people maxwelling? 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:03.800 What was she doing? 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:09.360 They were capitalizing on the hopes and dreams and hunger 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.960 of young women who wanted to make it, and they 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.960 were taking that and using it for their advantage, and 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.760 they didn't care what happened to these young women. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.960 She also went on, I think everybody's talking about you 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.800 want to hear about big names. The only two I 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.960 heard were Trump and Bill Clinton. Yes, she made a 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.000 reference just to Chantay Davies, is that she was on 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.480 a plane and flew to Africa with former President Bill 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.800 Clinton and notable figures is all she said. Fine, but 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.800 she slid his name in then, didn't I suggest he 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.320 did anything wrong. And the other was Donald Trump said 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.600 he bragged about his powerful friends, including Donald Trump said 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.520 he kept at eight x ten picture framed of him 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.320 on his desk. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.360 Yeah, she actually made a point to say it was 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.640 his biggest brag actually, so she wanted to make that 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.320 exceptionally clear that that's the person that Epstein claimed to 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.880 be most proud of being friends with. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.480 So we hear folks say notable figures, we hear Clinton mentioned, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.560 we hear Trump mentioned, we hear Maxwell mentioned, we hear 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.160 Epstein mentioned, And that's it. They go on and talk 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.560 about this list, and this is going to get a 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.760 lot of people's attention, because if they put a list together, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.600 and if they were to dare put it on a 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.360 piece of paper or dare to put it on a computer, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.920 everybody's going to be after that thing. So I don't 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.880 know how they're going to go about it, but folks 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.600 even though they say they are putting a list together. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.160 They were asked on more than one occasion by these reporters, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.920 when can we see it? Will we see it? The 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.320 answer so far is no. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.800 Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:59.200 are talking about this powerful and jaw dropping press conference 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:04.080 held by several of the Jeffrey Epstein victims. They were 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.600 flanked by several US congressmen and women in addition to 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.680 their attorney, Brad Edwards, and they stood up one by 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.720 one and told their story, but even more headline grabbing, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.920 and notably, they claimed that they were going to compile 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.600 their own list, that they knew the names of these 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.640 other powerful associates of Epstein who have so far been 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.520 untouched or unnamed, and in the name of justice, they 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:37.600 said they were going to collaborate and confidentially create a 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.200 list of these men, maybe even women. We don't know 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.399 that everyone has been clamoring for because how long have 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.480 we been hearing about an Epstein client list? Where is 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.159 the list? Where's the client list? What does Glene Maxwell know? 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.560 What did Jeffrey Epstein take with him in his suicide? 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.560 That will never find out? Well, these women claim that 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.160 they no, how. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.400 Powerful is that if they came up today and say, hey, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.480 we have the list and we're gonna put it together. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.200 So when you hear that, the first thing I thought 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:13.879 was my goodness, winner, we're going to see this thing. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.760 And then Lisa Phillips came back up to the podium 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.679 after a question was asked at the end about the list, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.119 and this is how she responded to a question about 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.720 the list. We're reaching out to survivors who are scared 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.960 to come forward and that also know who they were 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.639 trafficked to. And that's the list we're compiling. We're not 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.080 quite sure how we're going to release it or even 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.040 if we're going to. That was the record scratch moment 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.399 you could tell for the reporters, like, WHOA, what do 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.119 you mean You're gonna put it together and keep it secret. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.600 Isn't that exactly what the problem is right now in 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.439 the controversy is that the government has the list and 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.560 they're keeping a secret. So now we got two secret 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.560 lists gonna be quoting. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.160 And then, as reporters often do, they asked a follow 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:02.840 up question and it was the one that was in 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:03.600 all of our heads. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.520 I was like, hell, yeah, that's the question I would 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.320 have asked, why won't you say the names? 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.600 Why won't you Lisa Phillips said back to that reporter, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.840 why do we have to say the names when the 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.320 government knows the names? And then she also referenced the 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.200 fact that they were scared to do so. They weren't 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.200 listened to before, so why should they believe they would 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:25.440 be listened to now. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.359 I have a really good answer for that. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.480 Everyone wants to hear what you have to say now, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.000 And yes, she's right, no one wanted to hear what 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.360 they had to say a decade ago. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.160 That is absolutely true. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.119 And I understand how that might be scary, and there 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.000 might be a lot of PTSD surrounding that, threats of lawsuits, 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.200 threats of bodily harm. I get that, But there's never 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.760 been a better or safer time now if they do 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.840 have names of people who have abused women who might 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:57.520 still be abusing women, if there was ever a time 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:58.920 to do it, it would be now. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.200 I also want. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:05.600 Under why they've got this big press conference together. It's 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.880 just interesting to me the reasoning behind announcing that you're 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.480 going to create a list, but then saying you might 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.359 not release it. Why not either just make a list 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:22.360 and release it or not. I don't understand the purpose 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.199 of saying you have one and that you know the names, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.120 but that you might not release them. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.400 Does it put anybody on notice? Does it put any 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:30.840 pressure on the government. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:31.399 To do what? 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:33.480 I don't know, release their list? 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:34.760 Is it they claim there isn't one? 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.920 There is not a list. So they're telling the government, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.240 we don't want to release ours, you release yours, is 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.160 what she's saying. Now, we can't make sense. And look, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:52.160 these are victims of horror. So wherever their heads aren't 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.960 what they decide to do. I don't know what threats 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.240 they received and what their lives have been. Like, you 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.000 do your thing, but today, as far as moving the 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.320 story ahead, as far as getting answers to the public, 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.679 this or at least that move robes put us in 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:10.720 now another confusing situation of oh, so there are names, 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.600 and they're standing in front of cameras yesterday saying the 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.920 people you're looking at up here, we know the list, 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:23.920 but we're not gonna tell you. That's that's gonna Yeah. 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:25.800 I mean, they could do their thing, but I don't 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.720 know what that created now. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:33.399 Well, it created more questions, It created more interest. It created, 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:39.679 It created headlines, and maybe that's what they wanted to 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.240 do and then maybe they'll release whatever they want to 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.720 release in time. But they got our attention, and maybe 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.520 that was just the whole purpose, not to do a 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:53.000 big information dump, but to actually start to get people's attention, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:59.160