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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents the Epstein Victims Robes. This was

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary showing outside the Capitol yesterday. Some of these

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they say that there are hundreds, if not

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Speaker 2: They said very unequivocally that we know who's involved, we

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Speaker 1: So they got a lot of questions at the press

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Speaker 2: Because yes, we heard directly from Congressman Rocanna, who actually

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Speaker 1: Which Speaker Johnson said they will not get, so he

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Speaker 2: According to many of these young ladies, and some of

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We

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Speaker 2: that everyone has been clamoring for because how long have

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Speaker 2: What did Jeffrey Epstein take with him in his suicide?

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Speaker 1: Powerful is that if they came up today and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: So when you hear that, the first thing I thought

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Speaker 1: And then Lisa Phillips came back up to the podium

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Speaker 1: Isn't that exactly what the problem is right now in

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Speaker 1: the controversy is that the government has the list and

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Speaker 2: And then, as reporters often do, they asked a follow

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Speaker 3: I was like, hell, yeah, that's the question I would

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Speaker 2: Why won't you Lisa Phillips said back to that reporter,

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Speaker 3: I have a really good answer for that.

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Speaker 2: Everyone wants to hear what you have to say now,

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Speaker 2: And yes, she's right, no one wanted to hear what

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Speaker 2: And I understand how that might be scary, and there

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Speaker 2: Under why they've got this big press conference together. It's

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Speaker 2: not release it. Why not either just make a list

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Speaker 2: and release it or not. I don't understand the purpose

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Speaker 1: Does it put anybody on notice? Does it put any

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Speaker 3: To do what?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, release their list?

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Speaker 3: Is it they claim there isn't one?

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Speaker 1: There is not a list. So they're telling the government,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to release ours, you release yours, is

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Speaker 2: Well, it created more questions, It created more interest. It created,

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Speaker 2: It created headlines, and maybe that's what they wanted to

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they have stories, personal stories with their

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Speaker 3: They would be told, so, you know, I think.

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Speaker 2: They will have to decide, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Okright, So we're going to wrap now, folks on two

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Speaker 1: scenes and see what we do with it now. Previously,

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Speaker 1: he also said talking about Epstein, nobody protected these women

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Speaker 1: the first time. Is there a list? There is a list,

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Speaker 1: That's what he said, but Ropes he completely threw that

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Speaker 1: out to wind though with another comment.

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Speaker 2: I think the distinction is my best assessment is that

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Speaker 2: there is a list that the women are compiling, that

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Speaker 2: the women have. But when the reporter followed up and said,

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Speaker 2: do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein had a list, he said,

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Speaker 2: there's not a list.

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Speaker 3: And he said that.

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Speaker 1: Very clearly, with the women behind him many nodding in agreement.

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Speaker 2: Correct, because he said though, he was just basically saying

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Speaker 2: that without the people who I guess would be on

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Speaker 2: this list, he could not have done this. But the

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Speaker 2: purpose was for him to personally abuse people. Again, he

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Speaker 2: talked about some of his friends that he farmed out

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Speaker 2: women to, but that wasn't the primary purpose of his scheme.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, I don't think he wrote down the names

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Speaker 2: of the people who he farmed out women to. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there are names of people who he worked with and

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Speaker 2: who helped him operate in his scheme, But he was

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Speaker 2: basically saying it was a personal scheme for Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily for the other people on the list, it is.

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Speaker 1: Incredibly confusing, and he ended with that's just not how

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Speaker 1: the organization worked. So I look, Rose, I'm glad. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people are glad, And look, I'm

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Speaker 1: happy they're having a moment. If they feel more comfortable

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Speaker 1: as a unit to come out and to be public

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Speaker 1: and to take back their lives their story in some

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Speaker 1: ways even in the middle of the or even help

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Speaker 1: the country in some way heal from all of this

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Speaker 1: back and forth and to some kind of way find

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Speaker 1: a lesson or some peace and all this, then that's great.

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Speaker 1: And we are now standing by and waiting for another

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Speaker 1: list to be compiled that maybe we will and maybe

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Speaker 1: we won't see ropes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we will all have to stay tuned for more details,

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Speaker 2: as Lisa Phillips told us in the press conference, and

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Speaker 2: we will certainly do that and bring you any new

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Speaker 2: developments as they become available.

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Speaker 3: But for now I may be Robock alongside T. J. Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always for listening.