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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live, presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All alrighty, then here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown Steve

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Speaker 2: Tasker with you One Bill's Lives the show. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us as we slowly turned the page from the

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Speaker 2: Week two victory over to Week three preparations for the

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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 3: We put up a lot of points this past.

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Speaker 2: Week against Denver in a comeback win thirty five thirty three.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos almost forced overtime, but a two point conversion failed,

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Speaker 2: letting the Commanders escape Denver with a thirty five to

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Speaker 2: thirty three victory. And I was looking at a little

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Speaker 2: bit Steve of that Sam Howell kid, the quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to dan Orlowski about him in a

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Speaker 2: little bit here, But he's got really good ball location

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Speaker 2: on deep balls. He puts it where only his guy

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Speaker 2: can get it, Like there's just very good awareness as

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Speaker 2: to where the safeties are, who's closing, where your window is.

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Speaker 3: I mean he puts it on the money.

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Speaker 2: I mean I haven't seen him in person, so it's

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Speaker 2: hard to kind of gauge arm strength, escapability, all of

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Speaker 2: that stuff. But in terms of where the balls he's

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Speaker 2: fitting in whew, well they're two and oh yeah they

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Speaker 2: are too, and oh.

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Speaker 3: Count they were.

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Speaker 1: And I say what you want about the quality of

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Speaker 1: their opponents or what have you can go down the

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Speaker 1: list and of everything everybody. He used to discount every team.

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Speaker 1: Now they played Arizona and Denver. Okay, valid, but still

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Speaker 1: none of these teams playing a vacuum. And Washington has

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Speaker 1: got a feel kind of good about themselves right now.

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Speaker 1: How was a big role of the dice in my

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Speaker 1: opinion coming into the season. But I think Ron Rivera's now,

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Speaker 1: these guys, their coaching staff has been around long enough.

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Speaker 1: I mean you gotta forget you know. Jack del Rio

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Speaker 1: is their defensive coordinator. I mean, they got some guys

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Speaker 1: over there and they're looking at how in the offseason

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Speaker 1: and last year when he's they're like going, you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's get this guy shot because he, like you say,

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Speaker 1: he does bring something to the table.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm very very curious to see how the Bills defense

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Speaker 2: decides to handle him. What they have, you know, game

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Speaker 2: plan wise, to try to cross him up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: make some ill advised decisions, things of that nature, because

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Speaker 2: in the end of it, he is a first year starter.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's been the league a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: but a first year starter. So we'll see what they

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Speaker 2: have in or for him this coming weekend. Two Monday

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Speaker 2: night games. Last night, New Orleans beats Carolina and the

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Speaker 2: Steelers beat Cleveland in an AFC North matchup, So both

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Speaker 2: of those teams now one and one on the AFC

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Speaker 2: side of the ledger. An unfortunate injury for Nick Chubb

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Speaker 2: likely out for the season after a gruesome knee injury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is official. He is now out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all thought that, but I was just

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Speaker 2: waiting for a team confirmation. But apparently it's official. Now

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Speaker 2: out for the season, and not surprising after watching the

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Speaker 2: way his knee bent awkwardly at the tail end of

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Speaker 2: that running play.

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Speaker 1: It was down close and Minka Fitzpatrick came in and

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Speaker 1: it happened really fast, and a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: on social media, people are talking a lot about how

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Speaker 1: they thought Minka Patrick went in, Mika Fitzpatrick went in

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Speaker 1: too low, and they thought it was a cheap shot.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it that way. It happened so fast.

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Speaker 1: You and I had this conversation in the in the

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Speaker 1: UH in the office just before we came on the air,

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Speaker 1: and I'm it's hard.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to tackle a guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And in this day and age, you can't go

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Speaker 1: wear these big, huge shoulder pads and used your head

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Speaker 1: was as a weapon, your helmet as a weapon to

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Speaker 1: come in and hit these guys hard. And if you

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Speaker 1: want to stop them right away, you got to take

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Speaker 1: their legs out. And the higher you hit on the legs,

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Speaker 1: the harder it is to tackle them. Yeah. So you

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Speaker 2: We Nick Chubb has had a major knee injury before

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Speaker 2: in his career. He had it at the University of

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Speaker 2: I was watching that game live on television when I

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Speaker 3: And I think it's the same knee.

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Speaker 2: The look on Chubb's face getting carted off kind of

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Speaker 2: the running back injuries are pretty numerous here through two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Austin Eckler's out, David Montgomery and Detroit is out. They

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Speaker 3: I think maybe the Jets practice squad.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right to fortify their ranks. And there

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Speaker 2: are other backs around the league nicked up as well.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones didn't play last week in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nicked and yeah, the whole there's a whole list.

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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley may or may not play this week.

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Speaker 1: We got a bad ankle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw Mekea Fitzpatrick down on the field after

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Speaker 2: making that tackle. He went to the hospital. They were

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Speaker 2: concerned about the pain that he had in his chest

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Speaker 2: NFL Network insider Tom's Pellisero reported, according to sources that

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Speaker 2: fitzpatrick scans were negative and there's optimism he'll be fine

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Speaker 2: moving forward. How much do you think that is a

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Speaker 2: reaction to what we saw happened in DeMar Hamlin last year.

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Speaker 2: Guys complaining of chest pains a little bit, he's got

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Speaker 2: pain in his chest. They're like, get him to the hospital.

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Speaker 3: They don't even wait, you can.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make a big leap here, but

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Speaker 1: I have opinions about all of this stuff. Obviously, I've

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Speaker 1: played for a long time and untackled guys, and we

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Speaker 1: tackled differently than they're allowed to tackle now. So everybody,

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Speaker 1: all the old guys, the old OG's guys like me,

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Speaker 1: are like, eh, they don't know how to tackle. There's

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Speaker 1: tackling is horrible in the NFL. Well, it's completely different

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Speaker 3: You can't lower your helmet, you can't lead.

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Speaker 1: You can't lead with your hand, you can't hit them

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Speaker 3: Un defenseless defenseless position.

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Speaker 1: All this stuff are that is against the rules where

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Speaker 1: this stuff about not tackling, that's why you see guys

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Speaker 1: and they're spinning around trying to get and they're trying

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Speaker 1: if somebody's running or anything. If it's a cup on

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Speaker 1: very easy. If you push it at the bottom, it slides.

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Speaker 1: If you push in the middle, it slides. If it's full,

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Speaker 1: way guys are tackling now. If you come in and

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the ball, or if somebody's you

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't everybody drive a shoulder pad through somebody's hips.

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Speaker 1: Because they'll just bounce off and keep their back. You

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Speaker 1: can't knock them off balance. They're too good. They're athletic.

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Speaker 2: Unless it's a quarterback in the pocket. That's different because

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Speaker 2: Malana on Mike White last year, like he folded him

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Speaker 1: Yes, because he's got a running start too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he's standing in the pocket right.

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Speaker 1: So also, and you're asking me, you know this chest

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Speaker 1: pain stuff. They're not allowed to leave with their head

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Speaker 1: with their head. That's exactly what happened to Tamar. He

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Speaker 1: and DeMar came in and because he can't take him

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Speaker 3: But he went low and I think he took a

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Speaker 1: That might have been it too, So it's a risky game,

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Speaker 1: no question about it, and stuff like this happens all

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Speaker 2: I just think they were able to get Fitzpatrick on

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Speaker 2: a cart. They're zipping him out of there and took

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Speaker 3: And it was like go time.

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Speaker 2: And I have to believe that's in the wake of

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Speaker 2: you know, Tomar's situation back in January. All these medical

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Speaker 2: training staffs are like, go, just go get him to

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Speaker 3: We don't care check them out.

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Speaker 1: It makes some sense, yeah, and I yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think there's no air on the side of the car.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any Yeah, there's nothing else other

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Speaker 1: so you had to really, you know, decide how are

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Speaker 1: you got to go in there and you gotta adjust

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Speaker 1: because it's a free flowing in situation. You can't always

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Speaker 2: One other thing that came out of that game, Steve

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Speaker 2: I mean, you just hold onto that mask for a second.

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Speaker 3: And you wouldn't have thrown him out for bumping the official.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to if that's what I saw now.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I don't have to tell you

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a judgment call by the official. And

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Speaker 3: As we know, the Bengals are row and two. On

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Speaker 2: Now they were rowing to last year and won the division. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's right. So they're not gonna there's nobody over there panicing,

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Speaker 1: Doesn't look as forbidding as it as it did. You

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Speaker 1: If your record one loss record affects your decision to

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Speaker 2: So all right, well, let me let me throw this

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Speaker 3: He is zero for one passing. He's our NFL career.

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Speaker 1: He's our guy. Let's go listen that that's your team. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's your team, Bruce Leeve, you gotta go. He's your guy.

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Speaker 3: Never play.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's Gilligan, it don't matter.

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Speaker 3: You gotta just why was Gilligan the.

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Speaker 3: Where the hell do you get get?

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Speaker 1: What do you think if you're going into a game,

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Speaker 2: Least Gilligan's got some escapability. Skipper isn't eluding anybody.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. You got your coaching staffs responsible for putting

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning could be or starting quarterback out of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah that ain't stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: Jake Browning's jerseys will be popping up.

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Speaker 3: Will they.

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Speaker 1: His family's gonna get him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know, I mean, uh all right, so enough

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to this because Steve, I know you're

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Speaker 2: This according to ESPN dot COM's Kevin Seafford, good beat

436
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Speaker 2: reporter for the Vikings, I believe in Week two, the

437
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Speaker 2: NFL broke its records set in Week one for lowest

438
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Speaker 2: kickoff return rate and highest touchback rate in a single

439
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Speaker 2: week since at least two thousand and likely ever, the

440
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Speaker 2: kickoff return rate ten point seven percent, touchback rate eighty

441
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Speaker 2: five point seven percent. Fair catch rule has done its

442
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Speaker 2: job so far discouraging short kicks and returns your thoughts

443
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Speaker 2: well nine out of every ten kickoffs in Week two

444
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Speaker 2: went unreturned.

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Speaker 1: They did. They's exactly what they wanted it to do.

446
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 3: And the play is disappearing from football.

447
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Speaker 1: It's going to disappear.

448
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Speaker 2: I mean, the only reason Damien Harris had a forty

449
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Speaker 2: three yard return was because it only went to the four.

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Speaker 1: Right and he decided not to fair catch it. But

451
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Speaker 1: he did get it out to the four or some

452
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Speaker 1: forty three, so that was it was the right move

453
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Speaker 1: on his And I'll say this too, Brownie. There's a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of dynamics working here historically, and we've we've talked

455
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Speaker 1: about it before in the show. Historically, the best kickoff

456
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Speaker 1: return teams in the league are the worst defenses because

457
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Speaker 1: they can't stop anybody and they continue to they get

458
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Speaker 1: live rep. Nobody, nobody has ever taken a live rep

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Speaker 1: of kickoff return in practice in the pros. Maybe back

460
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Speaker 1: in the day, but nobody has done it in decades.

461
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Speaker 1: You just can't practice it live. It's because it's dangerous, right,

462
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Speaker 1: That's why they're taking it out of the things. You

463
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Speaker 1: can't do it. You can't practice live kickoff and kickoff

464
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Speaker 1: return in practice. So the best teams are the ones

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Speaker 1: who get the most reps and therefore become proficient at it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been true forever now we've had this kind

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Speaker 1: we keep going back to this. You're gonna get teams

468
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Speaker 1: who will not have covered a live kickoff for a

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Speaker 1: month in the NFL if they don't like one every

470
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Speaker 1: ten times.

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Speaker 2: Right, and this is interesting, it'll be every three weeks

472
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Speaker 2: because once the weather changes, particularly for the northern teams,

473
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Speaker 2: they're not gonna be able to get it to the

474
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Speaker 2: end zone anymore. And then your strategy is gonna have

475
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Speaker 2: to change. And I wonder if that's where the line

476
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Speaker 2: drive kicks come into play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bounce.

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Speaker 2: You want to line drive it number one so it

479
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: can't be fair caught, and number two to prevent a

480
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: return all together, right, Like, just rip it like a

481
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: fastball down the middle and try to get it over

482
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Speaker 2: the touch line behind the goalposts and it's out the

483
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Speaker 2: twenty five anyway.

484
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Speaker 3: They don't have to cover it or get it.

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Speaker 2: If you really feel good about your cover team, Steve,

486
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 2: you know, rocket it off the ground and get it

487
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Speaker 2: down somewhere. But you don't know how the ball is

488
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Speaker 2: going to bounce, and you don't want to risk it

489
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Speaker 2: going over the sideline because then they've.

490
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Speaker 3: Got it at the forty.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like I don't have to tell

492
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Speaker 2: you kick it to the middle of the field. Gives

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Speaker 2: that return man more options. I mean, they have a

494
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Speaker 2: play called, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Plus, if you if you shoot it down there off

496
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Speaker 1: just off the ground a line, drive it and you

497
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Speaker 1: bounce it down there two or three times, anything more

498
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Speaker 1: than two or three times, and it's like, if it

499
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: starts to get it'll go off the field. If it

500
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: has enough velocity, it'll always go off the field because

501
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: it'll either go off the in line or off the sideline.

502
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: So if you're kicking it down between the hash marks,

503
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: trying to keep it on the field from out of bounds,

504
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: so you don't give up that penalty, you hit it

505
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: down there hot. If you hit it down there hot,

506
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: the guy's got a chance. It's it starts to be

507
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: a gamble. The guy's got a chance of getting it

508
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: really fast. If the faster the return guy gets it, obviously,

509
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: the less ground your coverage team has covered and you've

510
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: got a lot more space. And then you're then you

511
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: get into some problems where you're gonna give up a

512
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Speaker 1: big one like the Bills did, like the Bills got

513
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: last week on the Raiders, because the ball was short,

514
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't a hangtime kick. He got it quick and

515
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: took off towards the green grass in front of him. No,

516
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge problem for the coverage teams.

517
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: But if you do kick it down, they're hot and

518
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: the thing gets down there but isn't gonna quite make

519
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: it to the end zone and it's bouncing around because

520
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: just this, just in the Bolden bounce goodund if you

521
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: get a guy down and let me tell you something.

522
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: If you're down there trying to feel a bouncing ball

523
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: and it's you can't get your handle on it, and

524
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: you got eleven guys coming down there trying to literally

525
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: bust you up, it's hard to find a handle. It is, dude.

526
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: You want to talk about panic, that's.

527
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: Panic and that and then and then it turns into

528
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: a huge play for the kicking team. So you go

529
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: down there and the ball's bouncing around. Guy can't get

530
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 1: a handle on it. He's and you we've all seen it.

531
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Speaker 1: Guys looking at the coverage trying to feel the ground,

532
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: trying to find the ball on the ground and he

533
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: can't take his eyes off the guys that are coming

534
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: to try and get him. He can't find the ball.

535
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Speaker 1: It's a big problem. So but that's what you can

536
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: get if you can pull it off.

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00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: I wonder how much special teams coordinators are keeping some

538
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: of those plays in their pocket for now, knowing when

539
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: the weather is cold, they're gonna have to turn to

540
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 2: some of those tactics because the ball won't fly as

541
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: far for an easy touchback out of the back of

542
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: the end zone. You know you're holding onto your line

543
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: drive kick? Are you holding onto your bouncer? You know

544
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: your worm burner that's gonna bounce fifteen times in Buffalo?

545
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: You kick into the ends. You kick into and all

546
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: those people who've been to Bill's games in the stadium,

547
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. You kick from the

548
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: tunnel end, kick off from the tunnel end toward the scoreboard,

549
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: and you go toward the visitor's corner. That far visitor's

550
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: corner over there a good place to kick that ball.

551
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: The wind knocks that ball down like a solid object.

552
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: And we even when I played, we've got we got

553
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: multiple double digit turnovers over the years because they the

554
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: guys returning the ball didn't realize that and you come

555
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: up to you're gonna the ball's coming right at you.

556
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: You kind of you can gauge the distance and the spin.

557
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna get underneath it, and all of a sudden

558
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not there. You got to like, oh and sprint

559
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: five or ten yards to get under it. Yeah, and

560
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: they can't get there in time because it and it drops.

561
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Now the ball's on the ground live and the coverage

562
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: is right on top of them. We got a multitude

563
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Speaker 1: of turnovers like that.

564
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: I remember Bobby April called a pooch kick one time

565
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: and got that on a windy day against the Saint

566
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: Louis Rams.

567
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: Former Bill Eric Flowers tried to feel that he was.

568
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: An upman, certainly not not qualified to be doing that right,

569
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: and the ball hung up in the air. He tried

570
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: to get to it and it bounced off his leg.

571
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: Bill's recover go in for a touchdown, and.

572
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's so in the winter. There may

573
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: be even the guy with fair catch it period, but

574
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: you got to get under it. Yeah, and even in

575
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: you know field, we've all seen goodness, great tighter bass

576
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: is seen it. You kick that ball down the middle

577
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: on a forty two yard or down in that end

578
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: of the end zone. You got no shot.

579
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: It's going off towards them the corner.

580
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: A yeah.

581
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Speaker 2: So see, I'm just one if as the weather gets colder,

582
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: if some of the tactics that some of these special

583
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: teams coordinators have dreamed up will start to surface, you know,

584
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: as we get later in the season, because just kicking

585
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: it to the back of the end zone isn't gonna

586
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: happen when it's twenty eight degrees with twenty five mile

587
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: per hour wins, Like, what are we doing now? So

588
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're saving it for that time of

589
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: the year or if it's just going to continue as

590
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: long as possible.

591
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Speaker 1: The problem is when they kick it in through the

592
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: end zone, they know they're getting into the twenty five.

593
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: If they kick it high out and outside in the

594
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: field of play, there's that sense of doubts is he

595
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna fair catch this? And that that breeds hesitation in

596
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: the coverage team. Right, I don't do the fair catch

597
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: it I miss something, you know, you gotta go down

598
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: there and cover it.

599
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: And you know, selfishly, I want to see different tactics.

600
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: Employees.

601
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh I do too, Like I want to see a

602
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: kicker put a watermelon ball on the team it that.

603
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: Way, set it on the side. I want to see

604
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: some of that stuff. Yeah, yeah, that'll make it interesting.

605
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: I was a little shocked that we didn't see a

606
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of that in Week one. I was surprised that

607
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: we didn't see some guys hitting it hot down the

608
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: middle with good I'll say this too, some of this,

609
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: particularly on a team like Buffalo. You know, Taiwan Jones

610
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: isn't here. You know, Medickevitch had a short preseason. Some

611
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: of their core special teams guys, and even Dodson didn't

612
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: play much special teams in the preseason because he was

613
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: doing the middle linebacker thing. You might want to get

614
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: your feet under your on your coverage teams and find

615
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: out what you got and say, listen, I think we've

616
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: got a pretty good group here. Let's see if we

617
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: can exploit them. Because if you got that, you need

618
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: to get an edge with it. Don't just send him

619
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Speaker 1: out there to run a wind sprint. If you got

620
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: a good coverage team, you got to use it. So

621
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: maybe in the next coming weeks we'll see teams okay

622
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: if they saying yeah, you know, what we're covering them

623
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. Let's sit one hot down the middle on

624
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: the ground and see what they can do.

625
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Speaker 2: Quickly before we go to break. The XFL and USFL

626
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: are reportedly merging. There are multiple reports that the two

627
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: spring leagues are close to an agreement that they will merge.

628
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Speaker 3: And become one Spring league.

629
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Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a lot of questions there that have to

630
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: be answered. Who owns the equity, who televises the games,

631
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: how many teams are there going to be in the

632
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: combined league, will they play in home markets or are

633
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: they gonna continue to operate in these hub centers where

634
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: they've been working at like two, three, four cities the

635
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: whole season. And who's gonna run the league, which executives

636
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: are staying and which ones are getting bounced? I mean,

637
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: if this merger is happening, So it's gonna be very

638
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: interesting to see how that all comes out in the wash.

639
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: But I think for long term viability, it's probably better

640
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: to have just one Spring league instead of two struggling

641
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: to survive, if you know what I mean.

642
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I don't even know what to say.

643
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody cares now because it's an NFL football season.

644
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: But there's a lot that's gonna have to there's gonna

645
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: be a lot of lawyers involved.

646
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: This both leagues if they're merging and they and they

647
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: do it in my opinion, like my from thousand miles

648
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: away and I if they do it right, both leagues

649
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: will say, hey, listen, this hub thing from the cities

650
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: that we were working in. It worked really good for us.

651
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: We were we felt really good about it. We think

652
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: we should do that in the new spring league. The

653
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Speaker 1: other team will say in the other leagues got to say, okay, good, no, yes, no, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how you have a team like

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Speaker 1: whatever the Birmingham Stallions playing out of Birmingham and never

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Speaker 1: playing a game in Birmingham.

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Speaker 3: It's odd, but it's hard to develop a following.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got a good a good crowd that

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Speaker 1: comes up every week for a home game in the

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Speaker 1: hub city, okay, the.

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Speaker 2: TV deal is more important for that viability. So I

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Speaker 2: think that's why the hub idea even came into existence.

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Speaker 2: I cared less about the fans, more about the TV

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Speaker 2: eyeballs on the game and money they're getting from the

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Speaker 2: TV networks and to air the games.

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Speaker 1: By having it in one hub. In a hub city,

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Speaker 1: the production costs of the game goes way down because

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Speaker 1: there's no travel involve you know, they've got people in

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Speaker 1: the in the city, they're already there. It's all set up.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to bring the trucks in yet. It's

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Speaker 1: all set up every game. So the production costs dropped dramatically,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, makes some sense financially there.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on how that all comes out

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Speaker 2: and shakes out and what they call it. But the

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Speaker 2: topic of discussion for you today through two games, what

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Speaker 2: part of the Bills, offense or player is most encouraging

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Speaker 2: through the first two weeks of the season. It might

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Speaker 2: be a single player that you think is his performance

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Speaker 2: is encouraging. There might be a part of this offense

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Speaker 2: that you like how it's unfolded through the first two games.

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Speaker 3: Let us know what that is for you.

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Speaker 2: At eight oh three zero, five point fifty one eight eight,

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Speaker 2: five point fifty two, five fifty those are the numbers

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Speaker 2: to get on board. We got open lines for you,

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Speaker 2: So hop on or hit us up on the tweet

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Speaker 2: sheet and let us know. We'll take a break here,

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Speaker 2: but your phone calls next you're on one. Bill's Live

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Speaker 3: Of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Discussion topic for you today is what part of the

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Speaker 2: Bill's offense is the most encouraging through the first two

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Speaker 2: weeks of the season. Could be a player, could be

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Speaker 2: a personnel grouping, could be could be play calling, It

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Speaker 2: could be anything, anything under the sun that has you

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Speaker 2: encouraged going into week three. You let us know at

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Speaker 2: eight oh three zero five fifty one eighty eight, five

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Speaker 2: point fifty two, five fifty let's get to the phones.

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Speaker 3: Leading us off today, Jim and E's Dorora, what do

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Speaker 3: you got for us?

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Speaker 5: Jim, Hey, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Saw real quick.

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Speaker 5: Before I get into my player or part of the offense,

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Speaker 5: I happen to just jump in. When you guys are

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Speaker 5: talking about the league that was combining with a Hub

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Speaker 5: and you mentioned Birmingham never playing in Birmingham. I couldn't

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Speaker 5: help but laugh thinking about the Jets and the Giants

710
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Speaker 5: never playing in New York. Yeah, anyway, so it's two

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Speaker 5: for me. One is Spencer Brown. I hope what we

712
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Speaker 5: saw Sunday trends upwards. And I think I heard Sale

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Speaker 5: talking about that. He had mentioned his week against the

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Speaker 5: Prep squad was one of the most intense ones due

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Speaker 5: to King's lead going against him just going full bore.

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Speaker 5: So I'm hoping Spencer Brown's on it trending up and

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Speaker 5: then play calling a nice balance play call and Josh

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Speaker 5: sticking to the plan. So I know it's multiple things there,

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Speaker 5: but those are the things that are impressing me so far.

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Speaker 3: All right, that sounds good, Jim, thanks, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: That points to the value of the Scout team. They

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Speaker 2: knew that Max Crosby was a high motor player, so

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Speaker 2: they took their best high motor player on the Scout team,

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Speaker 2: which is King Jonathan in this particular case, who is

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Speaker 2: a high motor player himself, and they said, all right,

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Speaker 2: you're Max Crosby this week, go get Spencer Brown ready.

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Speaker 3: Yea, it worked, So there is value.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing with the Scout team, which I think

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Speaker 2: goes unrecognized by most fans because you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: really hear about it that much. Casting is very important

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Speaker 2: with the Scout team. You want to mimic the guy

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Speaker 2: they're going against as best as you possibly can, whether

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Speaker 2: it's a pass rusher, whether it's the opposing quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, time and time again, they used to have

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Speaker 2: Isaiah McKenzie be Lamar Jackson when they were playing the Ravens,

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Speaker 2: and it helped because it gets you acclimated to the

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Speaker 2: speed you're going to see literally on the field, because

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Speaker 2: if you've never played Lamar before and you're just watching

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Speaker 2: him on film, going oh, yeah, he's fast, and then

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Speaker 2: you get on the field, you're like, whoa.

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Speaker 1: Not, was he fast? He's six four? Yes, six, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's you're right. Spencer Brown had a nice day and

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Speaker 1: he got prepared Ford well. But yeah, they used to

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Speaker 1: give and sometimes they still used to give little you know,

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Speaker 1: game balls and stuff like that. Sometimes they give the

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Speaker 1: scout team guys game balls. Yeah, for the work they did.

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Speaker 1: It's it's always traditionally has been a very only in

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Speaker 1: house appreciated role.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to try to take anything away

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Speaker 2: from the way the offensive line played last week, because

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Speaker 2: I thought they were excellent in several areas. But again,

752
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Speaker 2: Ken Dorrisey's game plan and getting the ball out of

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Speaker 2: Josh's hands quick actually helps as well. There was more

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Speaker 2: under center calls, which I think allows the linemen to

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Speaker 2: fire off the ball a little bit better instead of

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Speaker 2: throwing into reverse from the get go in shotgun. So

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Speaker 2: I think there were several elements that the coaching staff

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Speaker 2: put into the game plan that helped their players succeed,

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense. So it was good all the

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Speaker 2: way around. Let's go to Steve and floor next, what

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Speaker 2: do you got for a Steve.

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Speaker 6: Same thing? Pretty much touching on the whole offensive line

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Speaker 6: as a whole. They were okay against the Jets. The

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Speaker 6: Jets are a tough team. So but hopefully going forward,

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Speaker 6: you didn't hear much from Dion. He seems like he's

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Speaker 6: a little more disciplined now. And you can definitely tell

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Speaker 6: they kicked Spencer Brown on the butt a little because

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Speaker 6: he did an amazing job. They were opening up holes

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Speaker 6: and that's all I wanted to touch on and go,

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Speaker 6: Bill's all.

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Speaker 3: Right, sounds good, Steve, Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I said there were several elements. There

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Speaker 2: were consistent holes in the run game. Now, again we

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Speaker 2: have to remember and again we don't want to take

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Speaker 2: away from the job the line did. They did a

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Speaker 2: good job. They executed. We have to remember the caliber

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Speaker 2: of opponent two. I mean it's Max Crosby and a

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Speaker 2: bunch of guys I hate to say it, so you

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Speaker 2: know there's there's some of that in there too. This

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Speaker 2: week will be a whole different test. They're going against

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Speaker 2: four first round draft choices on that front, and Chase

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Speaker 2: Young is back, the former number two pick in the

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Speaker 2: draft a few years ago, who is a premier pass

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Speaker 2: rusher when he's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got some horses on that.

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Speaker 2: To mention Pro Bowl defensive tackles Jonathan Allen Deron Payne.

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Speaker 1: So they yeah, they got their work cutout for him

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Speaker 1: this week. And that was one of the games where

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Speaker 1: this offensive line and an s upgraded for him from

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Speaker 1: a year ago, was able to have its way play

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Speaker 1: extremely will run the ball when we want, when they

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Speaker 1: wanted to one hundred and eighty three yards rushing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, yeah, I mean they they lit him up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Josh got sacked. He got sacked once

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Speaker 1: or twice one play because he ran out of bounds

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Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage that counts as a.

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Speaker 2: Sack, and then the other one he got tackled and

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Speaker 2: the other they got him, uh second and long and

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Speaker 2: he got or second and eight and he got sacked

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Speaker 2: right away.

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Speaker 1: He got sacked. They had a guy come in untouched

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Speaker 1: and Josh was looking the other direction, thought he was

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Speaker 1: picked up because he didn't believe the guy was coming.

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Speaker 3: He got bottled up in the pocket a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and he.

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Speaker 1: Got and he got taken down right away. So what

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Speaker 1: are you gonna do? I mean that the game they

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Speaker 1: played very well. I guess an opponent maybe in retrospect

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Speaker 1: they should have played well against. We'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 3: Back to the phones into Mike and Amherst. What do

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Speaker 3: you got for us? Mike, Hi, guys.

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Speaker 7: For me as a fan, I think what was most

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Speaker 7: encouraging was seeing Josh and the offense had a good

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Speaker 7: bounce back week. You know, when you have a poor

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Speaker 7: performance and everybody's down on you, you know, I think

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Speaker 7: that's what great players do, right, They bounce back and

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Speaker 7: prove who they are and they'll turn one bad game

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Speaker 7: into two or three or a whole bad season. So

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Speaker 7: I was I was just really impressed with how Josh

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Speaker 7: bounced back, and I really enjoyed the offense. That was

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Speaker 7: really refreshing to see them be you know, patient and

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Speaker 7: deliberate and just be smart with the football. They looked

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Speaker 7: like a really really good football team, and that builds

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Speaker 7: teamly Song Sunday. To me, that's the Super Bowl team

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Speaker 7: right there playing that way. Because I mean, I think

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Speaker 7: you guys agree with me, but I don't really think

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Speaker 7: many other teams in the NFL can compete with us

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Speaker 7: over sixty minutes if we're smart with the football. So

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Speaker 7: it was extremely encouraging to see for me. And my

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Speaker 7: question to you guys is, do you think that Diggs

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Speaker 7: and Allen You know, I know Diggs love them, but

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Speaker 7: I know he likes to get his you know, his

834
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Speaker 7: fats and his numbers. Do you think we can get

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Speaker 7: those guys to buy into the notion of this is

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Speaker 7: the winning formula. It may not always look sexy, it

837
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Speaker 7: may not always you know, make the highlight reels, but

838
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 7: wins are better than style points to me. So I'll

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Speaker 7: hang up and listen. Thank you all.

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Speaker 1: Mike. Yeah, well for your last question about whether you

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Speaker 1: can get Digs and Josh to sign up. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you're winning games, nobody's going to complain. In fact, they're

843
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: going to be all about it. You don't put up

844
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Speaker 1: thirty eight points without everybody jumping on board. And that's

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Speaker 1: what the Bills did. That's Stephan Diggs, Gabe Davis, Dawson,

846
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: Knox Kincaid, all those guys. James Cook of course had

847
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Speaker 1: a great day. Nobody will squawk when you're winning games.

848
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Speaker 1: So that's that's the wait. And we were talking about

849
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Speaker 1: what's happening in Cincinnati now at they're zero to two,

850
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Speaker 1: and now you got Jamar Chase saying, hey, let's do

851
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: the guys when you don't win, they want to do something,

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00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: They want to do something else. When you are winning,

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Speaker 1: particularly by four touchdowns, I ain't nobody gonna say anything,

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Speaker 1: right And and.

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Speaker 2: We'll have this conversation in the second hour of the

856
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Speaker 2: show when we have Dan Orlovsky on from ESPN because

857
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Speaker 2: we talked to him last week about getting back to

858
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Speaker 2: an efficiency model on offense. The Bills did that. Now

859
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: where do they go from here? Do they adopt that

860
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Speaker 2: as their model for winning or is that game plan

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00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: and opponent specific. We got to take more of your

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00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: phone calls first though. When we return, got to take

863
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: a break here. But ron In California, Gary and Pa,

864
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Speaker 2: Mark and West. I think a hang tight. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to you in the next segment here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live. What part

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Speaker 2: of the Bill's offense is the most encouraging for you

869
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Speaker 2: through the first two weeks of the season. Back to

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Speaker 2: the phones and to Ron in California. What do you

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Speaker 2: got for us?

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Speaker 8: Ron Oho, Guys, great show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 8: It is true leadership starts from the top, and we've

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Speaker 8: been noticing this growth through the years, and in last

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Speaker 8: year we were wondering how Ken Doorsey and Josh Allen

877
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Speaker 8: would interact and we found out the results thirteen and

878
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Speaker 8: three this year. Now I see more growth. I see

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Speaker 8: Ken Dorsey now is taking the whole overall offense in

880
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Speaker 8: the consideration, and I love their play action plays, especially

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Speaker 8: Josh Allen under center. You know, honestly, I was so impressed.

882
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Speaker 8: I didn't know where the ball was going, and I

883
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Speaker 8: didn't know if it going to the running back Josh

884
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Speaker 8: Allen was going to throw it or boot leg out,

885
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Speaker 8: but it just seemed like we threw off the defenses consistently,

886
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Speaker 8: and I was I'd just like to know how you

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Speaker 8: feel about that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was very happy to see it ron, and I'm

890
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Speaker 2: sure Steve was too. I mean, the playfake that Josh

891
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Speaker 2: pulled off on the touchdown pass to Dawson Knox when

892
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: he rolled to his left was a thing of beauty

893
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: like then where the ball was. And that's why Knox

894
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Speaker 2: is by himself with no one for five yards around

895
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Speaker 2: him in any direction for an easy touchdown. There's just

896
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Speaker 2: more ways I feel that you can deceive the defense

897
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Speaker 2: when your quarterback is under center from a play face perspective,

898
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Speaker 2: you know, from a run pass perspective, because we've seen

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Speaker 2: it right the last couple of years, Steve, where Josh

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Speaker 2: is in the shotgun and he sticks it in the

901
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Speaker 2: running backs bread basket who's standing right next to him,

902
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Speaker 2: and he pulls it out in half a second. To me,

903
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Speaker 2: if I'm a linebacker, I'm buying that for maybe a

904
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Speaker 2: step or a half a step. So maybe I take

905
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Speaker 2: one false step to you. But if you're coming out

906
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Speaker 2: of from under center and you turn your back and

907
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Speaker 2: you start motioning towards a running back to hand him

908
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Speaker 2: the ball, now I'm probably taking two or three steps

909
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Speaker 2: towards the line of scrimmage because this could be a run.

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Speaker 1: Right and now that they've started doing that also, and

911
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Speaker 1: you'll notice this, they're in shotgun and James Cook is off,

912
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Speaker 1: he's over by the tackle one of the other tackles.

913
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Speaker 1: So the lines they snap that ball and everybody's scattered

914
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Speaker 1: out of there except James Cook kind of stands there.

915
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Speaker 1: Josh runs over to him and hands him the ball

916
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Speaker 1: on the drawplay. Yeah, so you catch the defense thinking

917
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Speaker 1: pass and then you're gonna run it. And that worked

918
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Speaker 1: really well a couple of plays on a third I

919
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Speaker 1: think in third and fourteen, Cook almost got it.

920
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Speaker 3: He got down.

921
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he almost got the first down. So they really

922
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Speaker 1: had some nice playing. Now on the third and fourteen,

923
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Speaker 1: certainly they're dropping out thinking past, but it was a

924
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Speaker 1: really effective play call that almost unexpectedly worked better than

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Speaker 1: it did. I mean, they got They got a twelve

926
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Speaker 1: yard gain, so it was a pretty good gain. But

927
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Speaker 1: those are the kind of things on both sides of

928
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Speaker 1: it where you want to think wanted to think run

929
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Speaker 1: after the snap and then throw it, or think pass

930
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Speaker 1: after the snap and then run it. It works both ways,

931
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Speaker 1: and I got Ken Dorsey sprinkled all of that in effectively.

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Speaker 3: So Mark and west Seneca here before the break? What

933
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Speaker 3: do you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Mark?

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, what's encouraging to me? Is I really? I

936
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Speaker 9: mean I've been I've called you guys, and I've been

937
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Speaker 9: critical of Dorsey for for a while now, but hey,

938
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Speaker 9: kudos when they're there. And I thought he called his

939
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Speaker 9: best game Sunday overall. And I really really am impressed

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Speaker 9: with the personnel packages and the different formations that he's

941
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Speaker 9: coming up with. I think he even had Diggs in

942
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Speaker 9: the backfield on one. Yeah, And I mean it's just

943
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Speaker 9: been it's been nice to see moving people around, get

944
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Speaker 9: keeping defenses off balance with the talent we have, and

945
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Speaker 9: if we keep defenses off balance, I mean, it's going

946
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Speaker 9: to be really, really tough to defend that offense. And

947
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Speaker 9: the other thing I want to met that you guys

948
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Speaker 9: started talking about being under center with the threat of

949
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Speaker 9: what Josh can do with his legs. I would really

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Speaker 9: like to see goal line situations inside the three him

951
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Speaker 9: always being under center. I think that gives us such

952
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Speaker 9: an advantage if they do that. And lastly, really quick,

953
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Speaker 9: hey Brownie, how many more jobs can you take? I've

954
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Speaker 9: seen you around both bills one Bill's Live tonight after

955
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Speaker 9: the game again, So I think you're trying to get

956
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Speaker 9: as many jobs in as possible every time I turn

957
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Speaker 9: the TV on. Now you're there.

958
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Speaker 3: You've got a hustle man. Gotta hustle.

959
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Speaker 9: So thanks guys, Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Mark, appreciate the call. Yeah, I mean down on the

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Speaker 3: goal line.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for Josh being under center because like if

963
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Speaker 2: you're a three yard line or further in and he's

964
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Speaker 2: under center, I think it makes the bootleg game like

965
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Speaker 2: dangerous down there for him, Like he could come out

966
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Speaker 2: on a bootleg, which he did on the touchdown pass

967
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Speaker 2: to Dawson Knox, and you gotta you got it.

968
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Speaker 3: You can't go eight yards deep in the end zone.

969
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Speaker 2: You gotta hug the goal line because if he takes

970
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Speaker 2: off and runs for it, you gotta stop him, right

971
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: especially if you're out on an island over there, like

972
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: you gotta you got a decision to make.

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Speaker 1: Down in the red zone under center. The one of

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Speaker 1: the things that the Bills did extremely well. They were

975
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Speaker 1: five to seven in the red zone, which is which

976
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Speaker 1: is really good. Five different guys scored touchdowns and they

977
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: were always with with Murray and Damien Harris. There you go.

978
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Speaker 1: I got it. With Murray and Harris in there, you

979
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Speaker 1: knew there there's a chance they were going to just

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Speaker 1: hand it off, which they did both those guys in

981
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Speaker 1: the red zone. Two. When you can run in the

982
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Speaker 1: red zone, it is a huge boost for your offense.

983
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Speaker 1: That's one the one thing that scares defenses. That's why

984
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: teams pack it in there, because if you can run

985
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Speaker 1: on them in the red zone, you're kind of defense less.

986
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you take away a lot of the risk, right,

987
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: you know, unless you don't have a sure handed ball carry.

988
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: And we've documented it this offseason. Harrisontavius Murray are two

989
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: of the more sure handed running backs in football.

990
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're So it was a really good game. Red

991
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Speaker 1: zone offense, the conversion offense on the even on the

992
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Speaker 1: fourth downs, we're right on the money. They were I

993
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Speaker 1: think two of three told to go, they were four

994
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Speaker 1: or five four of five. So it's pretty good red

995
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Speaker 1: zone efficiency. And I think the key to it was

996
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Speaker 1: the fact that that run threat was there constantly.

997
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, break time for us because our number two begins

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Speaker 2: with our weekly visit from ESPN's Dan Orsky. A former

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Speaker 2: NFL QB and football analyst, Will dice up some of

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Speaker 2: what we saw on Sunday against the Raiders and take

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Speaker 2: an early preview look at that Washington Commander's team and

1002
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Speaker 2: just what quarterback Sam Howell is all about. Dan Orlobski

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1013
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: last week, and look what happened highly efficient and unstoppable

1014
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: against the Raiders last week. Question though, the question here

1015
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: Dan is do you think this was game plan and

1016
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Speaker 2: opponent specific or do you think this could be a

1017
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: potential model going forward?

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Speaker 4: I would say to answer that it should be both

1019
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: of those things. Really, it's certainly lesser defense that factors

1020
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Speaker 4: into this, but really good teams should hammer lesser units

1021
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: lesser defenses. I think the question bears this, Chris, So

1022
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Speaker 4: the comparison from week one to week two. Couple things,

1023
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: how they used the twelve and thirty They got into

1024
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Speaker 4: thirteen personnel, so one back, three tight ends, So how

1025
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: they used it. They they decided running the football it

1026
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: was going to be downhill. It was they when they

1027
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Speaker 4: got into that twelve and thirteen personnel and ran the football,

1028
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: they were going to try to just create double teams,

1029
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: allow the tight ends to work together, and we're not

1030
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Speaker 4: trying to outthink the run game, so to speak. So

1031
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: that was different than in Week one. I think number two,

1032
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Speaker 4: you saw Josh Allen booting to his left and his

1033
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: right a little bit more. You guys know me, I've

1034
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Speaker 4: been asking for that for two years. That shouldn't just

1035
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Speaker 4: be because against it's against the Raiders. And the third

1036
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Speaker 4: thing was we saw Josh under center a little bit more.

1037
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: I think that I don't have the percentage exactly because

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Speaker 4: we're doing it on NFL Live today. I think he

1039
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Speaker 4: was under center in Week one like nine percent and

1040
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Speaker 4: week two like thirty eight percent. So it's not gonna

1041
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 4: be always that high, but to kind of be the

1042
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: complete offense that is necessary. And this is why when

1043
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 4: you put them under center a little bit and they

1044
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: run a little bit of the multiple tight end stuff

1045
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: and they get them outside of the pocket. And One,

1046
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 4: it helps everybody, not just Josh Allen, you know, the

1047
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: it helps the offensive line. Eric Wood, who I know

1048
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Speaker 4: works with you, guys, is can vouch for this. Like,

1049
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: you're forcing the defense to play line wise just a

1050
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 4: little bit more unsettled. You create help numbers wise in

1051
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: your protection, so your quarterback can trust the pocket a

1052
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: little bit more. Three, you're manipulating the defense a little

1053
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: bit more, you know. And so I think that it

1054
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Speaker 4: certainly had something to do with the opponent and whatnot,

1055
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Speaker 4: But I think that is a formula that should really

1056
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Speaker 4: become more of a like a foundational piece for the

1057
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Speaker 4: offense throughout the season, rather than just specific to oh,

1058
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Speaker 4: we're playing the Raiders.

1059
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you speak of playing the Raiders and the

1060
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Speaker 1: Bills run games certainly got going, And you're right, the

1061
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Speaker 1: Raiders defense may may not be as good as the

1062
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Speaker 1: Jet defense was, certainly, and perhaps not even the Washington

1063
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Speaker 1: front that they're going to face this week. But when

1064
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Speaker 1: it does come down to it, you do have to

1065
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Speaker 1: have the willingness to hand the ball off like that

1066
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Speaker 1: and James Cook ran it. Well, what did you see

1067
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Speaker 1: as and I brought this up earlier, they ran the

1068
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Speaker 1: ball sometimes it seemed to me as effectively out a

1069
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Speaker 1: shotgun as they did under center, particularly out in the field,

1070
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Speaker 1: when instead of making it look like a run and

1071
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Speaker 1: then passing it like a play action, they also made

1072
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Speaker 1: it look like a pass out a shotgun and then

1073
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Speaker 1: ran it with James Cook and a draw plays and

1074
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Speaker 1: those kind of things. How effective does that need to

1075
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Speaker 1: be against a team like Washington, And certainly it was

1076
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Speaker 1: effective against a team like Oakland Vegas right right that

1077
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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a little bit those plays Steve

1079
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Speaker 4: are a little bit more central the Raiders because they

1080
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Speaker 4: were so late to drop coverage down. They were so

1081
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Speaker 4: committed to not allow the ball to go over their

1082
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Speaker 4: head and drop coverage down. So I did, like, now,

1083
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Speaker 4: indifferent of any team, if they're gonna do that and

1084
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 4: be one of those teams that rotates safeties late or

1085
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: tries to play with such a high umbrella, then that

1086
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: has to be a part of your run game. I

1087
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 4: think you know with the front that they're going to

1088
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: face this week, the two defensive tackles are so premiere

1089
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: and so elite that there's really two. There's really like

1090
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 4: two ways to try to run the football against you

1091
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 4: guys like that. Number One, you have to use double teams.

1092
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: You have to make a conservative effort to put two bodies,

1093
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: four shoulders on them, double shoulder pads on them, to

1094
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: try to displace them, to try to control them. And

1095
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: the second thing is you try to use their aggression

1096
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 4: against them, traps, whams, draws, screens. And I think that

1097
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 4: that's got to again be I don't believe that their

1098
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: run package or run philosophy should be that different this

1099
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: week than last week. I absolutely believe that it should

1100
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 4: be again in that same vein. And when I say

1101
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 4: these duo runs, duo means we're getting multiple double teams.

1102
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: Number One, you're likely to get less negative plays because

1103
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: everyone's getting double team for the most part. Two, you're

1104
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: going to minimize penetration. Three, it gives it back, like

1105
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: a James Cook more often than not, the chance to

1106
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: get the ball to the line of scrimmage, and then

1107
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 4: his lateral ability, his vision comes into play a little

1108
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 4: bit more So. The Bills aren't going to become a

1109
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 4: run center football team. They're not going to become a

1110
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 4: run first football team. I just believe in when you're

1111
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 4: so talented at quarterback and at the perimeter, the more

1112
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 4: that you can allow the offensive line to have moments

1113
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: of dictating to the defense, you have moments of not

1114
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: having to strange so much. And pass protection, I just

1115
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 4: get to watch the ball get snapped in. Push this

1116
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: guy as hard as I can. That has a culative

1117
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 4: effect play to play to play, and not just Buffalo.

1118
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: I think a lot of teams in the NFL have

1119
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: lost sight of that, and I think that this should

1120
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: be very much so Week two a blueprint of how

1121
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: to handle a really good defensive line.

1122
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know I talked to you last week

1123
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: about you know, Mahomes adopts the efficiency model, goes all

1124
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: the way to the Super Bowl. Burrow adopts a quick

1125
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: out of the hand passing game with Zach Taylor. They

1126
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: go all the way to the AFC Title Game, and

1127
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: people are like, ah, well, Josh didn't look like the

1128
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: usual Josh last week. Now, look, most people were happy

1129
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: with the win, but we did get a couple of

1130
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: callers yesterday complaining about style points and him not chucking

1131
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: the ball down the field. And I'm just saying, do

1132
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: you want style points or do you want to win?

1133
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm taking the victories every way to Sunday and when

1134
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: you get to the post season, Dan, you have to

1135
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: play this efficient model, do you not?

1136
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: And Chris absolutely? And there's seventy snaps in a game

1137
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: some games, and that was that was like, that was

1138
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: my big complaint with Week one. And that's why I

1139
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 4: use that phrase, we have to grow up. It wasn't

1140
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: mocking Jocket Josh. It wasn't belittling Josh. It was, Okay,

1141
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: this defense is playing this style to win this game.

1142
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: I have to play this way. Marcus Spears is sitting

1143
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: right here with me and we were just having the

1144
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: conversation about Dak Prescott who just played the Jets and

1145
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: I and he was like, the difference is Mike McCarthy

1146
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: had Dak playing a certain style for that game, and

1147
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 4: if teams are going to play that way versus Josh

1148
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 4: and this offense, that's the way they have to play.

1149
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: That's the maturity. That's where there is that growing up

1150
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: of I don't want to play this way and this

1151
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: isn't fun. It's not as fun as I want to be.

1152
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: But this is the way that they're challenging. And this

1153
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: is what happens when you consistently show that you're going

1154
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: to do that, Because what do you want forty scored

1155
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: on you if you're a defense, Because then eventually they

1156
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 4: have to no longer play that style. They have to

1157
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: play the way that they don't want to play. And

1158
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: that's when Josh and the big plays to Gabe and

1159
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: Steph are going to be there. But you have to

1160
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: consistently outgrind defenses. And that's into the playoffs when teams

1161
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 4: are going to force you to play to the style

1162
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 4: that you don't want to one hundred percent, you have

1163
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: to be able to do it.

1164
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: So we're two weeks into the season. I know that

1165
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: we haven't seen very much from all We haven't seen

1166
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: everything from all of these teams. Offensively, they've still they're

1167
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: still I've got offensive stuff that they want to unfurl.

1168
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: The Bills are no different. Have the do the have

1169
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: the Bills shown enough to win different ways against different opponents?

1170
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: And if not, and I know they haven't shown everything,

1171
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: So what do you would you like to see them

1172
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: be able to do well in order to win some

1173
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: other tough game, you know what I mean. They got

1174
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: to throw it to win, you got to run it

1175
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: to win, you got to a short pass to win,

1176
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: you got to go deep to win. All of that stuff.

1177
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: What if you still need to see from this Bill's

1178
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: offense as it moves forward.

1179
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: I'd say the consistency and the willingness to do that,

1180
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: you know, to not be like those callers, respectfully who

1181
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 4: call in and say, well, we want to you know,

1182
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: BCS National Championship style points. You know, the consistency and

1183
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: the willingness to do that, because, like here's the thing,

1184
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 4: every team, not every team, but teams aren't going to

1185
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: play you differently. Like if the Buffalo Bills are going

1186
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: to play the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chiefs aren't going

1187
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 4: to play the same way that the Raiders did. The

1188
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: Raiders played in many ways softer, but the way the

1189
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 4: Jets did. You're looking at those top teams in the AFC,

1190
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins. I guarantee you are going to force

1191
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: Josh to play that way. They're just going through so

1192
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: you know, will can be willing to call the plays

1193
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 4: that capacity, Will Josh be willing to operate in that

1194
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: capacity on that consistent basis, I would say this, I think,

1195
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: and it's just not center the Buffalo, but I really

1196
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 4: believe who calling cards for offenses that we will see

1197
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 4: kind of elevate above everyone else in the NFL this year,

1198
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: outside of the teams that have just really unique quarterbacks.

1199
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: One.

1200
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: The pass game has to be completion driven, inefficient, and

1201
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 4: I think we saw about it a Buffalo last week.

1202
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: And the thing that I would like to see more

1203
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 4: is a more developed undercenter play action game. The way

1204
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 4: I look at it like this for Buffalo, So teams

1205
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: are going to play you guys in this umbrellashell, whether

1206
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: it's a tighter umbrella, bigger umbrella, whatever, teams are going

1207
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: to try to force you to do that. There's only

1208
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,959
Speaker 4: one way to create chunk pass games in that play action.

1209
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 4: It is not by drop back. It just isn't there.

1210
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 4: You don't threaten the defense enough. So I think that

1211
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 4: I would like to see them do that a little

1212
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 4: bit more, put them under center, utilize the tight ends,

1213
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 4: and then develop a little bit more of a chunk

1214
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 4: play ash action game where they get to some of

1215
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 4: the three level concepts and they get posts and crossers

1216
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 4: and returns and and just to have that in their

1217
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: bag so if it's needed as this season goes on,

1218
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: that they they're capable of doing it.

1219
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: All right, let's spind it forward to Washington, the Week

1220
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: three opponent here, Dan, and I mean I haven't I

1221
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: haven't watched their whole game against Denver yet we don't

1222
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: get instantaneous access to the All twenty two like some

1223
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 2: other more important people I.

1224
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: Know, but not more importantly than much.

1225
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: But I was impressed with some of the ball location

1226
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: that Sam Howell was able to accomplish on deep throws,

1227
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: like putting it exactly where it needs to be so

1228
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: only his guy can make the play. I mean, I'm

1229
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm coming in in a complete neo fight to Sam

1230
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: Howell's game.

1231
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 3: What have you witnessed from him?

1232
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: And what do the what do the Bills defenders need

1233
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: to be focused on here? Going against Howell in this

1234
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: receiving corps specifically.

1235
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: Okay, so I think that Josh Allen has one of

1236
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: the best arms in football, certainly down the field. Sam Howel,

1237
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 4: It's not that good, but it ain't far off. This guy,

1238
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: who doesn't have massive stature, has an absolute cannon for

1239
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 4: an arm. I called some of his games in college football.

1240
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 4: And you know, when we hear that phrase like arm talent,

1241
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 4: he has that he has the ability to drive the

1242
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: football down the field in a very high level of

1243
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: ball placement ability. And he's got a ton of reps

1244
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 4: doing it because it was a big part of what

1245
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: he did at North Carolina. They ran a ton of

1246
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 4: ur pos that pushed the ball downfield all that stuff.

1247
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 4: So his arm is is very impressive. I think the

1248
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 4: best thing that's happened to Sam Howell this year so

1249
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 4: far is he's gonna make mistakes. He did that in

1250
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 4: Week one against Arizona. He's got to learn when too

1251
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 4: and when not to. Eric the enemy coming over has

1252
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 4: done two things. One a lot like they did with Patrick.

1253
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: They build in some really easy completions, and when the

1254
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 4: quarterback takes them and takes those free completions, it just

1255
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: allows the play caller to consistently push the envelope because

1256
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 4: he knows that the guy's going to take it. All right, Well,

1257
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: I'll call chunk play next play. I'll call chunk play

1258
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: next play. We'll take a shot next play. As long

1259
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 4: as you continue to get us into second and six,

1260
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 4: second and seven type stuff and I think the second

1261
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 4: thing is, you know, when you're a really talented thrower

1262
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: and you live with an aggressive first mindset, you place

1263
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 4: the ball where you want to. You don't think there's

1264
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 4: really a ton of defenses that can take those throws

1265
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 4: away as long as you trust your eyes. And there's

1266
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: again a different between aggression and reckless. Sam's become very

1267
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 4: aggressive with the football down the field. And when you

1268
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: do that and you can throw it, you know the

1269
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 4: windows down there are going to be stressed by him

1270
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: down the field because he's an ultra confident player right.

1271
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: Now, and tell us a little bit about his weapons.

1272
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: Of course, Terry McLaurin is one of those guys. What

1273
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: about the rest of them?

1274
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Terry, you have to start there. Steve one

1275
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 4: probably one of the best opportunity guys in the NFL

1276
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 4: with the football. You know, like you throw it to

1277
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: him in one on one situations and he does such

1278
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 4: a great job of using his body to go up

1279
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 4: and make catches. Really good route runner. But it's really

1280
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 4: just the competitiveness that he plays with when the ball

1281
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 4: was in the air. Dotson is I can use this

1282
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 4: for you guys. Dotson's a little bit like Stevie Johnson,

1283
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: you know, just just a tremendous off the line of

1284
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 4: scrimmage route runner and then the separation at the top

1285
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 4: of him. His routes is very unique. Now it's a

1286
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 4: little bit more maybe with the burst. Steve was so crafty,

1287
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: it's a little bit more with with the burst as

1288
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 4: a route runner, and he is a very very sudden

1289
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 4: player route running wise. Curtis Samuel a person that's kind

1290
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 4: of like for them in between ish. He's not Deebo Samuel.

1291
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: He's not you know, maybe a true line him up

1292
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 4: and go get him the football in one on one

1293
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 4: pass running situations, but they utilize them with touches, you know,

1294
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 4: they're just trying to get him touches. Logan Thomas is

1295
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Speaker 4: a good tight end. You know. There are two backs

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Speaker 4: are a big part of it too as well. You know,

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Speaker 4: Brian Robinson is going to be a handful to tackle.

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Speaker 4: You know, he is a his physical presence, it's going

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Speaker 4: to challenge this defense. And then Gibson is a really

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Speaker 4: utilized pass catching back out of the backfield. They'll run

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Speaker 4: routes with him legit wide receiver routes. So they got

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Speaker 4: some good talent around Sam.

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Speaker 2: And I know we didn't get to ask you last

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Speaker 2: one for me, Dan about Buffalo's defense. Obviously, they had

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Speaker 2: a strong performance last week with the three takeaways. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and also completely shut down Josh Jacobs. I mean nine

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: carries for minus two yards. I saw Elias put some

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Speaker 2: stat out saying he's the first defending rushing champ to

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Speaker 2: ever have a game the following year in which he

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Speaker 2: finished with negative yardage.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty rare.

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Speaker 2: What did you like most about how that defensive performance

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Speaker 2: was executed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed Oliver was.

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Speaker 4: One of those games where you sat there and said

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Speaker 4: you could put his name in for best player in

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Speaker 4: the field on Sunday. You know, he was dominant the interior.

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Speaker 4: That defensive line was fantastic, and I was surprised. You

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Speaker 4: guys know me. I've talked about how this defense plays

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Speaker 4: in nickels so often, or the three safeties and man

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Speaker 4: teams are gonna run it on him. And the Raiders

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Speaker 4: got into twenty one person out, two backs, one Titan

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Speaker 4: with the legit fullback. I told you guys they would

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Speaker 4: do that last week and just try to run the football.

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Speaker 4: They weren't doing it to create matchups. They did it

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Speaker 4: to try to run it, and they weren't capable of

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Speaker 4: doing it, and so I thought the run fits were

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Speaker 4: really good, but it was really about ed, you know,

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Speaker 4: penetrating so well. I would say this, and this is

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Speaker 4: why I have warned everybody do not judge Buffalo until

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Speaker 4: Vaughn comes back, because I would say, you still want

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Speaker 4: more out of the pass rush, but I just don't

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Speaker 4: know what that pass rush is going to be this

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Speaker 4: year in twenty twenty three, until Vonn comes back. And

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Speaker 4: so the run defense very impressive last week, I still

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Speaker 4: don't want to kind of peg who they're going to

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Speaker 4: be as a pass rush unit until Vonn comes back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly they're not in a hurry to get

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Speaker 1: him back until he's one hundred percent earty plus they

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Speaker 1: want to give themselves a shot at the tournament if

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Speaker 1: he's going to be there. They want him for when

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Speaker 1: it really counts, at the second half of the season,

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Speaker 1: stretch run of the playoffs, playoff seeding, playoff games, all

1344
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Speaker 1: of that, And so we probably won't see him for

1345
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: what a month anyway, he's due in two weeks. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be eligible. Yep. What so if this defense

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: the way it's currently constructed. Uh Milano seems to be

1348
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: playing at an extremely high level. The interception he made

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: yesterday or if.

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Speaker 3: You saw it was it was ridiculous, It was unbelievable.

1351
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: He's playing at a high level. Bernard seems to seem

1352
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: to be much more comfortable yesterday than he or Sunday

1353
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: than he was a week before. You know, where did

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: This team needs to evolve, no question about it needs

1355
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: to get better on both sides of the ball. Defensively, though,

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Speaker 1: how where do you think, aside from the pass rush

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned, what do you look for from this

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Speaker 1: defense that's different than they've been in the past with

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott as a coordinator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the thing that I would say stood

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 4: out a little bit other than those two things was

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Speaker 4: some of the simulated press that they utilized. I think so.

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Speaker 4: My theory, I haven't said this publicly yet, is at

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01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 4: least they're two weeks I've seen more simulated pressures in

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 4: the NFL by more teams than I have seen in

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Speaker 4: the past. What I mean by that is they have

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Speaker 4: six or seven bodies up at the line of scrimmage

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: in these passing situations, and you as an offense and

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 4: certainly as a quarterback, you don't know how many of

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Speaker 4: those guys are actually gonna blitz. You have to be

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Speaker 4: prepared for all of them. And teams are, you know,

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Speaker 4: sometimes rushing three out of that, sometimes they're rushing four

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Speaker 4: out of that. So you're simulating, here comes this blitz,

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 4: this pressure package, but it's really usually only four guys

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Speaker 4: that come. So who's the one on one? Where do

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 4: you send your offensive line? And I saw a little

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 4: bit out of that from Buffalo a week two. I

1378
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: think that they should lean into it a little bit more.

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 4: I don't think that's just central to Buffalo. Think think

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 4: that we're gonna see you a little bit more of that,

1381
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 4: not a little bit a lot more of that in

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Speaker 4: the NFL this year.

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Speaker 3: Dan, thanks as always for the insight.

1384
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: Good luck on the college scene this week and on

1385
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: NFL Live as well.

1386
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with you next week.

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Speaker 2: Man, Thanks us, Thanks Dan, take care of That's Dan Orlovski,

1388
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: NFL analyst for ESPM, and his segment is always brought

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: By Elegant Hotels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of curious because he was just talking

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01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,919
Speaker 2: to Steve about the simulated pressure looks that Sean McDermott

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: deployed last week and more often than not, people were

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: dropping out and it was just a four man rush,

1395
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: which they in an ideal world like to do all

1396
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: the time and generate enough pressure that way so they

1397
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: can drop seven into coverage and make life difficult for

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Speaker 2: the quarterback to get the ball out of his hands.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, with Sam Howell and his eagerness to

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Speaker 2: push the ball down the field, if instead of simulated pressure,

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: you bring the heat and see if you know a young,

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01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: inexperienced quarterback can handle it.

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01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's not.

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: All the time, but you know what I'm saying, As

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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: Dan said, more than we have seen to this point.

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01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting. The simulated pressure means just fooling

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: him into thinking the four guys that are rushing are

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01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: not the four guys that are rushing. That's that means

1409
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: you catch your offensive lineman kind of stepping towards a

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01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: guy who actually drops out into coverage, and then the

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: other guy on his other shoulder is going, so he's

1412
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: got to like reach back or kind of a.

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01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: Joy's standing there blocking nobody.

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01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: Right, or he's standing there in a gap with nobody

1415
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: to block a lot of teams do it, and I

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: agree it's hard, and particularly for a young quarterback to

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01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: sort through that giving him stuff he's never seen. What

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: you do, is what it gets to, is the quarterback

1419
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: then will just kind of give a like a right

1420
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: or a left, and then the offensive lineman sorted out

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: amongst themselves, so at least they know who they're thinking

1422
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: thinking about, so the quarterback can just either trust him

1423
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Henna, he's gonna say, listen, then we're gonna

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: go go left, go left, and I'm gonna take anybody

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: who comes off the right, and I'm gonna get him hot.

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: So if he comes and he's unblocked, I'm gonna throw

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01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: the football to my guy. If he's not, then I

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: got time. I'm gonna let you pick it up, and

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01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, let this play develop. All that

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: stuff goes on, of course, in like less than a

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: half a second, and that's why it's hard to get

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: it right when you're young, a young QB. Certainly it

1433
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: takes a great deal of communication and understanding. But if

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: you can do that, particularly like in week three when

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01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: you haven't shown any of that, like, you can do

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: things even if you show it and haven't done it.

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: Do something different than you've shown, right, you bring the

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: guys instead of dropping him out. Causes some problems, and

1439
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: it certainly worth exploring anyway early in games to see

1440
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: if you can get a big playoff of it. Sack, strip, fumble,

1441
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: a tipped pass interception, the Bill's got against the Raiders.

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01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but when we

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to crack open the tweet sheet.

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Speaker 3: We're also taking your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Open lines for you at aight oh three oh five

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Speaker 2: to fifty one eighty eight five point fifty two, five fifty.

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: What has been the most encouraging part of Buffalo's offense

1448
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: through two games. Could be a player, could be a

1449
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: personnel grouping, could be a play calling type thing.

1450
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: Whatever it is. You let us know.

1451
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: Open lines for you at ado three oh five fifty.

1452
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: But we crack open the tweet sheet next here on

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Speaker 2: We've been asking you what part of the Bills offense

1474
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: has been most encouraging through the first two weeks of

1475
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: the season. Could be a player, could be a personnel grouping,

1476
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: could be a play calling decision. Whatever it is, you

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01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 2: let us know at eight oh three, five point fifty.

1478
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Speaker 2: Sunday was what I was looking for. Given what the

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: defense gave was simply amazing. I think he means taking

1484
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: what the defense gave was simply amazing. I just hope

1485
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: that this keeps up all season long. You heard dan

1486
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: Arlovski say it you're playing against good defenses. That's the

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: way you have to play because that's all you're going

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Speaker 1: Right, That's that's what you gotta do. And uh, yeah,

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: the bill showed the ability to do it. We'll see

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: if they can do it consistently. I asked him what

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: they need to do, and he says, this is just

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Speaker 1: that be consistent. Yeah, it's hard to do because it's

1494
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: an uphill battle and every defense is a little different.

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: They match up a little different.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: This bill, this Washington front that the Bills are gonna face,

1498
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: is much more as much superior in my opinion, to

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01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: the front four of graders. So they're gonna have their

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01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: hands full. Josh isn't gonna have that much time. He's

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to get rid of it on time, and

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to have options open when they when

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: he needs it. So it's gonna be a new challenge.

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: This Washington team is two and oh for a reason. Out.

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: You can say what you want about their sched their

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01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: fourth place schedule, there's still two and oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah the wins of the thing. Billy g on the

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: tweets sheet says interior o Line, McGovern and Torrence have

1509
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: been a nice step up from Staffold and Bates last year.

1510
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 2: Baits backing up makes that position better too. You still

1511
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 2: have Edwards' depth.

1512
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 3: What a time to be alive.

1513
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: And they actually used David Edwards as a sixth offensive

1514
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: lineman in this past week. They put him out on

1515
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: the left tackle position, flip Dion to the right side,

1516
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: line them up next to Spencer, and off you go.

1517
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: Yes, red zone or red zone? Noah, you're right, so yeah,

1518
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: gold to go offense.

1519
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: I guess it's better, more accurate. They were down close

1520
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: and they put all those guys in, get some girth,

1521
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: Put Latavius or Damien Harris back there. Let's goal.

1522
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about that. I mean he's right, you

1523
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: think about it. Ryan Bates was your starting right guard

1524
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: last year. He's now your backup center. Now your center

1525
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: position stronger, at least in terms of depth and talent.

1526
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: You have David Edwards, who was a three year starter

1527
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: for the LA Rams and a Super Bowl winner. He's

1528
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 2: a backup guard and sixth offensive lineman. They guy didn't

1529
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: even start, Like, tell me you're not better and deeper

1530
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: and more talented up there.

1531
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: He's a quality player too. He's a good player. Osyrus

1532
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: Torrance continue to impress for me. I was checking him out.

1533
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: The guys just he's big, dude. I mean, he's strong,

1534
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: he keeps good leverage. Defensive tackles are having a hard

1535
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: time pushing him. He's he seems to be playing extremely well,

1536
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: So keep an eye on him as well.

1537
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,919
Speaker 2: And mcgovernor are gonna be valuable this week against Jonathan

1538
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: Allen and Doron Payin. I mean Doron Payne just got paid, Yeah,

1539
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 2: four years, ninety million.

1540
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got some guys over there.

1541
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, Eric Wood talks all the time about Jonathan Allen,

1542
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,440
Speaker 2: what a handful he was when he had to play against.

1543
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: Him, right, So it'll be fun to It'll be a

1544
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: fun matchup this week. But yes, no question that the

1545
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: Bill's offensive line is as advertised, at least they were

1546
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: this week against them the Raiders.

1547
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: Nick on the tweets sheet says the change of pace,

1548
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: run game, cook, fast, and elusive Harris can do it

1549
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: all in Murray is an absolute sledgehammer. Now sprinkle and

1550
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: Josh and you have a legitimate weapon which will only

1551
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: open up the pass game more. And you know, to

1552
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky's point, who we had on last segment, they

1553
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: weren't wresting anything up. It was we're coming downhill with

1554
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: three tight ends. And I was gonna ask him this

1555
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: as a follow up question and kind of forgot, But

1556
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey is you know, they talk about it being

1557
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: a copycat league, and there's no shame in that because

1558
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: if it works, maybe you should try it too. How

1559
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: much three tight ends did the Chiefs use last year

1560
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: with great success? Pretty good amount of it. And so

1561
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: now it's not just twelve personnel. Now they're rolling out thirteen,

1562
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: bringing Quinton Morris on the field or Reggie Gilliam or

1563
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: some iteration thereof, and they're just coming downhill at you

1564
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: with a two hundred and thirty pound running back.

1565
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the way it's gonna be you're gonna

1566
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: come out run your offense and you're doing things to

1567
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: win games, which this last week it was, you know,

1568
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: Josh completing eighty three percent of his pass is really

1569
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: not going down the field. The big long throw he

1570
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: had to Gabe Davis was a broken play where he

1571
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: tossed it over the top on an adjustment off script.

1572
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: So Josh was really getting the ball out short passes,

1573
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: guys were catching it, getting a little bit extra throwing

1574
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: it to you know, James Cook hardy than the running game.

1575
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: So they really kept this thing under control to a

1576
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: large degree. And if they're hanging thirty eight points on teams,

1577
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: what that does is it forces teams to sell out

1578
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: bigger to stop that kind of offense. They gotta squad

1579
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: on routes, they gotta jump routes, short routes. They got

1580
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: to get into the quarterbacks face fast. They got to

1581
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: sell out to stop the running game and get the

1582
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: Bills into longer and longer down in distances on third down.

1583
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do more and more and spend

1584
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: more of their assets doing that, which is gonna leave

1585
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: them vulnerable in the back end, or it's gonna leave

1586
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: them vulnerable in other areas of their defense. They're gonna

1587
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: be too close to the line of screamers, They're gonna

1588
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, then the pendulum will swing back the other

1589
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: way and you'll have these games where you have a

1590
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: couple of explosive plays in the passing game. But you

1591
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: got to prove that unless you're gonna really bear up

1592
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: in the run game and the short passing game and

1593
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: do everything you can to stop it, the Bills are

1594
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: going to keep doing it to you. And that's where

1595
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: you force teams to have a different game plan against you,

1596
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: and then you can take advantage of that.

1597
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: Slim shady on the tweets sheets says play action and

1598
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: play fakes. It was refreshing to see Josh under center

1599
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: a good deal this past week. And you know there

1600
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: Eric would have been calling for it for weeks. Even

1601
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: up late last year he was asking for more of it.

1602
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: I just think it provides more deception options for this

1603
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: offense against their opponents, and if you can get your

1604
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: opposing defense to take a false step here or read

1605
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: something wrong there, it leads to more opportunity. And the

1606
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: play action and the playfakes proved it last week.

1607
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's listen. It worked and we had Danie Ross

1608
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: he said it was thirty eight percent of the time.

1609
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: I'll take his word for it. If and also too

1610
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: yeah under center, Yeah yeah, under center. If you're gonna

1611
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: play two tie ends and threaten them with the run,

1612
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: under center is an additional threat. It's an additional tilt.

1613
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: Tell tell that your offense is gonna be physical upfront

1614
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: and you're gonna you know, your guy can hand it

1615
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: off and run downhill. So when you run on a

1616
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: lot of twelve personnel, being under center makes a lot

1617
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: of sense because it reinforces the defense's tendency to think

1618
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: the run game is a bigger option, and when you

1619
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: got two tight ends, that automatically goes. So when you

1620
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: go under center with two tight ends, yeah, it's it's

1621
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: just reinforcing what you're trying to get the defense to think.

1622
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: Seth on the tweet, she says running backs, Cook seems

1623
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 2: to be the perfect guy for what we need out

1624
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 2: of a running back. Slippery like a salamander and could

1625
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: break a big one at any time, great for checkdowns,

1626
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Harris and Murray doing exactly what they were brought in for.

1627
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: Power and a change of pace. Mostly all in week two,

1628
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: but encouraging. Yeah, we haven't talked about that part of

1629
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: Cook's game. Steve the checkdown option. He saw Josh go

1630
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: to him more than once on checkdowns, which again speaks

1631
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: to taking what the defense gives you.

1632
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't have it.

1633
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: There were a couple of times where Josh actually went

1634
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 2: like this and then pulled it back and then checked

1635
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: it down. He's like, oh, don't do that, let me

1636
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 2: check it down. And Cook, you know, as Seth said,

1637
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: is slippery, so yards after the catch is an option

1638
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: for him. I mean, I hate to say it, but

1639
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: motor singletary as a checkdown option, we catch the ball

1640
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 2: and fall forward because the defense would close on him,

1641
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: he couldn't get away. Cook offers so much more elusiveness

1642
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 2: and extra yardage potential after the reception.

1643
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that pump fake that Josh did a

1644
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 1: on a I think it was like a fourteen yard

1645
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: completion to Digs on a third and eight or something

1646
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: where Josh gave off. I thought even the camera kind

1647
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of pants started to pan off him. He big motion,

1648
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: decided not to throw it, held onto it, and then

1649
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: hit Digs the on the deep hook route down the

1650
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: sidelines for a third down conversion. You can't imagine going

1651
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: to if you get a chance, go to a twenty

1652
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: two all twenty two and watch what happens when a

1653
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: quarterback gives an enormous pump fake the defense. Everybody's feet

1654
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: just freeze, They just stop moving.

1655
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: Well, they have to respect it, especially when you got

1656
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: somebody that throws it with the velocity that Josh does,

1657
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: because if you don't react, you're not getting there.

1658
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: Into right And when he pulls it back, it's like

1659
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: it's like home, you know, it's like forget it, yeah,

1660
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: you know. So then you're gonna have some separation no

1661
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: matter where he throws the football. And that's exactly what

1662
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: happened on the digs of reception.

1663
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 3: Jack says passing game efficiency.

1664
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 2: Take the picks from Monday Night Football away and Allen

1665
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: has had high accuracy and completion percentage, showing that the

1666
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: offense can move the ball and attack despite the two

1667
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 2: deep shell. They see this will eventually lull defenses into

1668
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: cheating up and open the pass game downfield. See was

1669
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: just talking about that five minutes ago. Do you know

1670
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: who leads the league in completion percentage right now? After

1671
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 2: two weeks, Steve.

1672
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't know who it's josh Allen, Joshua Patrick Allen.

1673
01:24:59,400 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 3: That's right.

1674
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, how about that, I didn't know that.

1675
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrea says, Gabe Davis re emerging as wide receiver

1676
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: to take some pressure off of Digs and of course

1677
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: letting James Cook and Murray and Harris. Oops, that's four things.

1678
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Because I said what the question was one thing? She

1679
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: picked four things. That's fine if you're happy with more

1680
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 2: than one thing. There's nothing wrong with that. That means

1681
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: good things are happening on the offensive side of the ball.

1682
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: And then Mark on the tweet, she says, it's really

1683
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: just week two, taking the easy yards when they are there.

1684
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: Keep this up and we will be going all the way.

1685
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah optimistic.

1686
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's pretty optimistic. But there's a long a

1687
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: lot of football to play. But certainly we saw josh

1688
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: on Sunday look down the field and keep his eyes

1689
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: down the field, and then at the he just hit

1690
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: the guy in the flat or hit the running back

1691
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: over the middle. Had some open guys and he took them,

1692
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: and he didn't take and I'm sure that there were

1693
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: probably some throws that he would have loved to try

1694
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: down the field. And didn't and just hey, take this,

1695
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: get the first down, let's see if that deep shots

1696
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: there later. That's basically what you're fighting against as a

1697
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: quarterback like Josh. I mean, he's fighting against the urge

1698
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: to try and thread the needle on a twenty five

1699
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: yard sail route and it's you know, it's a ten

1700
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: percent completion percentage route, and then he could just take

1701
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: this one for a ninety percent completion. So it was

1702
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: just good to see. And it really looks a lot

1703
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: easier than it is when it's executed like they did.

1704
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: But certainly it's a lot easier than it showed on

1705
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: opening night, Monday night in New York.

1706
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 3: Break time for us.

1707
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: Some final thoughts on the tweetcheet when we come back,

1708
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 2: including spreading the ball around. We'll explain when we return

1709
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collie of Health.

1710
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1711
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 3: Go back to one Bill's Live.

1712
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: Some final thoughts on the tweetsheet here, and we wanted

1713
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,799
Speaker 2: to get to the comments made by.

1714
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: Who we were up to here.

1715
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: It was Herb said, I like the way Josh has

1716
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: been able to hit so many different receivers. I believe

1717
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: this gets the running game going. Josh under center a

1718
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: lot more gives the offense the ability to run and pass.

1719
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: We're able to run any part of the offense. We're

1720
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Speaker 2: not tipping our hand. We will be a tough out.

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01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: I think what also has to go into the stew

1722
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 2: there too is the execution, because you have to stay

1723
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: on schedule down in distance wise, to have your whole

1724
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 2: playbook open as well. And the Bills had thirteen third

1725
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: down opportunities, only five of them were more than third

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: and five. Eight of them were third and five and under.

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how how willing we all need to

1728
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: be to draw conclusions about how it went against the Raiders.

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01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: The Raiders are not as strong a roster at certain

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01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: parts of their roster as some of the teams that

1731
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 1: are on the schedule coming up. It might be harder

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01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: for the offensive line to get it done what they

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01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: got done against Washington, for instance, like it was against

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01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the Jets. The Raiders were get well game and they

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01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: used it to their advantage. No question, thirty eight points

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01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: is big on any NFL team, but the Bills executed

1737
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: extremely well, and the Raiders caught him on a week

1738
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: when they were trying to self correct, and they were

1739
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: on it. And the Raiders ran into a buzzsaw with

1740
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: the Bills on Sunday. So the Bills played like it,

1741
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: and we'll see if they can continue that consistency even

1742
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 1: against a different roster. In Washington, we.

1743
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: Mentioned nine different receivers called passes from the Bills. They

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01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: scored five different touchdowns with five different players, none of

1745
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: whom are named Stefan Diggs. Now, how much more difficult

1746
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: does that make the Bills to defend going forward?

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01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to worry about everybody. Yeah, you gotta.

1748
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,799
Speaker 1: You gotta play it honest every snap, which is something

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01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: that hopefully a game plan installation defensively will give you

1750
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 1: a tip where you can say, Okay, they're not gonna

1751
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: at least they're not gonna do this. I think they're

1752
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna do this, you know, but man, oh man, it

1753
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: really makes it tough on a defense.

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01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow.

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01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 2: We'll got the Hall of Famer thurm and time and

1756
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 2: see it one