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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The dead eyes the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Riley murder suspect stares blankly as bodycam video shows the

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Speaker 1: moment this beautiful young girl's body is found, ravaged, beaten, disfigured.

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Speaker 1: Now we learn he quote slept like a baby after

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Speaker 1: the murder. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being.

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Speaker 2: With us about ma'am, ma'am, ma'am oh, how.

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Speaker 3: Did you miss?

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Speaker 1: Immediately as you are hearing heartbreaking sound in an Athens

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Speaker 1: courtroom where the body of Lincoln Riley is found, you

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Speaker 1: hear l A Law Enforcements stating I need MS immediately,

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Speaker 1: I need EMS immediately sent to the location of the

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Speaker 1: phone paying Throughout tonight's presentation you will see state's evidence

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Speaker 1: throughout and let me warn you, it is very very disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now? Straight out to the courthouse

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Speaker 1: standing by Crime online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave,

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Speaker 1: what's happening at the courthouse right now?

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Speaker 4: Nancy gearing up for another incredible day. You know several

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Speaker 4: times the judges already had to warn people about what

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Speaker 4: they're about to see so they can actually exit out

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Speaker 4: of the courtroom. We're looking at a trial, Nancy, that

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Speaker 4: includes blood of the suspect and the victim on the

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Speaker 4: black coat he's seen putting in the dumpster. We've got

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Speaker 4: the technology that actually is able to pinpoint the moment

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Speaker 4: that she has attacked Lincoln Riley is attacked, how long

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Speaker 4: it lasts, how it ends, everything is documented with data. Nancy.

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Speaker 4: He is the most incredible story of technology and good

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Speaker 4: old fashioned hard word from the police officers to build

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Speaker 4: this case against Jose Ibarra.

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Speaker 1: Dave mac this is what I noticed in the courtroom yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've noticed it, having been in the

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Speaker 1: courtroom throughout the day. I sat about ten or eleven

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Speaker 1: feet directly behind the murder suspect Ebarra, and he's sitting

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Speaker 1: there and he keeps looking very meek and mild. He

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Speaker 1: shows no affect whatsoever. Okay, there's video, guys, just so

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Speaker 1: you know, we're showing you state's exhibits. There is, according

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Speaker 1: to the state, suspect Jose Ebarra Hoose Antonio Ibarra throwing

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Speaker 1: away in the jacket that he wore during the murder.

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Speaker 1: It's covered in Lakin's DNA. Now, when you take a

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Speaker 1: close up look at that, Like I saw it in

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Speaker 1: court yesterday, he under the jacket is wearing a very

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Speaker 1: distinctive shirt. And I couldn't understand, Dave, you've seen it

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Speaker 1: now what they were talking about. White and gray? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I assumed it was a white T shirt with some

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Speaker 1: type of a gray writing or character on the front.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's a shirt that has what we would

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Speaker 1: call what Americans would probably call Egyptian or even Greek

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Speaker 1: decoration on it. There's the jacket that was taken out

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Speaker 1: of the dumpster. That's it in the dumpster, right on top.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even have to look hard. And what's so significant, Hey,

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Speaker 1: hold on, Dave May joining me right now is Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Foundation and star of

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Speaker 1: Zone seven. Cheryl, the thing is that jacket is right

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Speaker 1: on top of the dumpster. They didn't even have to

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Speaker 1: look too hard to find it. But in that video

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Speaker 1: you see him from behind right. But then up comes

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Speaker 1: an eyewitness that identifies Ebara as the person that throws

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Speaker 1: away the jacket. And there's the bodycam video when they

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Speaker 1: discover it that Idzbarra as the person that throws the

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Speaker 5: Nancy. What's critical to me is where he came the

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Speaker 5: direction he came from when he threw the jacket in

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Speaker 5: the dumpster, he's coming from the murder scene. When the

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Speaker 5: jacket is right on top, it actually preserves trace evidence

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Speaker 5: like Laken's hair.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: Another issue, and Dave mac I'm sure you've seen it

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Speaker 1: in court today. What is so significant about the shirt

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Speaker 1: that I'm talking about is that just before the murders,

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Speaker 1: Dave matc Ebara was posting selfies and he was also

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Speaker 1: doing snap chat photos and what's happening, and in those photos,

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Speaker 1: this is the significance of the shirt. You can see

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Speaker 1: bottom right, second from the right, on the bottom that shirt.

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Speaker 1: that's the selfie I'm talking about with the front, the

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, very distinctive. Can you go back one

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind control room, because I can see, yes,

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Speaker 1: I can see that print on it. That's what he's

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Speaker 1: wearing within an hour before the murder. And the hat.

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Speaker 1: Then when he takes off that jacket, according to the state,

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Speaker 1: low and behold there he is he basically you know,

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you're the veteran trial lawyer. This is your jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. He might as well have said, hey, it's me.

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Speaker 1: He should have just taken out a billboard on Third

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Speaker 1: Avenue and said, here, I am wearing the same thing

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Speaker 7: Daryl Cohen, All right, So, Nancy, he's wearing a shirt.

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Speaker 7: He's wearing a shirt that was very distinctive. But that

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Speaker 7: doesn't mean he did it. There isn't a video of

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Speaker 7: committing a crime. There's more to this than just being arrested.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say, Cohen, that there's not video of

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Speaker 1: him committing the murder. I think I.

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Speaker 8: Heard that you did. There's no eyewitness.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I'm going to pretend that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that had something to do with the fact that

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Speaker 1: feet off the trail into the woods. I want to

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Speaker 1: get back on track with what's happening in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Because when you're in the middle of a densely wooded

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Speaker 1: That's why crimes very often happened behind closed doors where

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Speaker 1: there is no eyewitness. But wouldn't you agree, Daryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: that a confession an eyewitness or DNA is deemed to

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Speaker 7: It is, and that's precisely why there is a bench trial,

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Speaker 7: in my opinion, as opposed to a trial by jury,

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Speaker 1: You know, what he gave is exactly correct, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: He wants to mitigate the possible vision by the American public.

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Speaker 7: He wants to make sure that there is no death penalty,

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Speaker 7: which they've agreed upon not to pursue. But he wants

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Speaker 7: to mitigate it by making it less rather than more

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Speaker 8: So his lawyers are doing a good job in that respect.

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Speaker 1: Back to Dave Mack joining me at the courthouse, Dave Mac,

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Speaker 1: did it strike you during your hours in the courtroom today?

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Speaker 1: How docile he looks, How meek and mild. He never murmurs,

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Speaker 1: evidence rolls in. And when that body cam video went

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Speaker 1: when her body is found, he just had dead eyes,

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Speaker 1: no emotion at all. Have you seen how meek and

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Speaker 1: mild he acts in court?

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Speaker 4: He acts like he's there on a parking ticket, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: Like he didn't do something heinous and horrible for any

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Speaker 4: parent anywhere. The pick of the video of finding this

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Speaker 4: and he has destroyed her, and he's sitting in there like,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, can I go to the bathroom?

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Speaker 9: I need a hall pask.

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Speaker 4: He acts like he's done nothing, like he's got nothing

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Speaker 4: to defend, like he has no reason for you to

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Speaker 4: be there. It is really disgusting to see that blank

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Speaker 4: what he has done.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave mac talking about him looking like he's

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Speaker 1: there for a parking ticket. I want you to hear

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Speaker 1: what Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell said, look like if.

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Speaker 5: We're going to the head or shirt shirt that couldn't

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Speaker 1: Blunt forced trauma to the head, her shirt pulled up

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Speaker 1: above her breasts. The prosecution said in opening statement, I

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Speaker 1: believe you were there also, Cheryl McCollum, when the prosecution

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Speaker 1: said that that day he went hunting, hunting for a

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Speaker 1: portraying something entirely different other than someone who beat this

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Speaker 5: Cheryl, he absolutely went hunting. He didn't care who, he

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Speaker 5: just wanted a victim. The prosecution this morning spent a

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Speaker 5: lot of times showing video of Obara go into a

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Speaker 5: trying to gain entry into that apartment. For over an hour,

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Speaker 5: he went back and forth to that apartment, failed to

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Cheryl, wanna call him out hunting Listen.

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Speaker 10: The peeping tom charge Jose you Bara Faces happens the

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Speaker 10: same day of Lake and Riley's murder. The victim testifies

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Speaker 10: about being in the shower in her apartment in a

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Speaker 10: When she gets to the door and asks who's there.

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Speaker 10: She says the person was wearing a black hood, black hat,

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Speaker 10: he ducks down so she can't see his face. In

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Speaker 10: the peepole. She sees him again looking into her living

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Speaker 10: man again, the twenty four year old calls nine to

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Speaker 1: Cheryl, it sounds like straight out of a horror movie.

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Speaker 1: A young lady, a young girl in the shower, she

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Speaker 1: who does that? To hear? Darryl Cohen, defense attorney, that's

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Speaker 1: perfectly normal. That doesn't mean anything, will It means something

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Speaker 1: to me that somebody tries to hide their face in

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Speaker 1: and is looking through the blinds, Sheryl wisely. She calls

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Speaker 1: that black Adida's hat, a black hoodie style jacket. She

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Speaker 1: even says black gloves of the kitchen variety. Not the

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Speaker 1: crime lab or more variety that doctor Kendall Crowns will

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Speaker 1: all of that. When she discovers him, leaves and heads

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Speaker 5: Within minutes and you see it all on video, there

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Speaker 5: Georgia bus. He is not deterred at all that there

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Speaker 5: are men milling about. He tries her door more than once.

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Speaker 5: You can see him on video dunk down and then

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Speaker 5: go behind the building. He even tries to go all

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Speaker 5: the way back to the back door. Nancy. Again, when

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave Matt joining me in front of the courthouse. Dave,

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Speaker 2: Technology plays a big part in the trial, as Riley

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac explained to me the

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Speaker 4: The significance is that this garment watch is a smart

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Speaker 1: Nancy, how can that be attacked at trial? I mean, Darryl,

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Speaker 8: In this case, you and I disagree, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: There are times, in cases such as the one we're

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Speaker 8: You're looking for a way.

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Speaker 7: To show that your client is not as bad as

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Speaker 8: That's what you're looking for.

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Speaker 7: You're looking to make him look better, You're looking to

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Speaker 8: You're not going to make the evidence go away because

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Speaker 8: you get looking on that.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Joining you right now is

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Speaker 1: Scott Iiker. He is a founding member of the FBI's

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Speaker 1: Cellular Analysis Survey Team c AST, Historical Cellular Analysis expert,

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Speaker 1: former FBI agent twenty two years, former cop, former homicide whoa.

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Speaker 1: It just goes on and on. You can find him

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Speaker 1: at pc A experts dot com. Scott, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. There's a lot of digital data in

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Speaker 1: this case. Okay, I want you to explain to me

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Speaker 1: somebody like Daryl Cohen can take that raw evidence and argue, hey,

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Speaker 1: she was doing her disco dance glass that morning. They

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Speaker 1: cannot be disputed. Why what is it? How does it work?

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Speaker 1: Does the hook up to a satellite? This guy tell me.

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Speaker 6: I tell you, Nancy, some of these technologies that they're

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Speaker 6: out there these days is fantastic for UH criminal investigations.

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Speaker 6: We use this data all the time when we're dealing

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Speaker 6: we use it to try to find fugitives. It's great data,

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Speaker 6: especially this type of you know, fitness devices, wearable fitness devices,

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Speaker 6: much data along with the phone itself. I watched the

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Speaker 6: heart rate. This data is fantastic, especially when you're added

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Speaker 6: to the GPS data that was you know, from the

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Speaker 6: with a nine to one one call and all that stuff,

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Speaker 6: and the triangulation or timing advanced information that they provided

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Speaker 6: UH in testimony yesterday showed that you know, the garment

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Speaker 6: the defendants phone overlapping right in the same area as

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Speaker 6: great evidence, and it's so amazing that we can get

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Speaker 1: Could you explain exactly how it works and why it's

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Speaker 1: so difficult for the defense to attack it? Again, they can,

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Speaker 1: as Darald will tell you, attack the interpretation. What does

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Speaker 1: it mean, It's pretty hard to attack the fact that

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Speaker 1: that said, they could attack the scenario leading up to it.

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Speaker 1: But why is the data itself so infallible? How do

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Speaker 6: That type of data is really not subject to you know, interpretation.

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Speaker 6: It's actually coming from a device. There's it's not a

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Speaker 6: person's an opinion. It's not you know, video that might

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Speaker 6: data from a device that is impartial. That data gives

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Speaker 6: us tons of information the time of death. Amazing. We

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Speaker 6: saw that garment device even register when the officer was

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Speaker 6: All that information was required by that device.

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Speaker 1: Oh, could you explain that place? Would you explain that, Scott,

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Speaker 6: I was looking at box the testimony yesterday and the

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Speaker 1: Guys with me, Scott Iiker, renowned expert, former FBI Cellular

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Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team cellular cell phone. That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Sell data. What about this, Scott? I just want to

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Speaker 1: any ideas, but is there a way that the timing

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Speaker 1: I've got is still giving me regular time night daylight savings.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to do, but I do understand that timing issue.

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Speaker 9: In different cases.

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Speaker 6: One is, you know, you might have a time on

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Speaker 1: Scott and we saw this come up in the Delphi

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Speaker 10: Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell performs life saving measures on Lake and Riley,

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Speaker 11: response to the call and it takes him twenty one

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Speaker 11: minutes to find Lincoln Riley. He describes finding Riley's partially

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Speaker 11: nude body.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln's family had to get up and leave the courtroom

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Speaker 1: as testimony poured from the witness stand today about the

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Speaker 1: condition of her body, how her clothes were all pulled

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Speaker 1: up and jerked around showing her body parts, she was

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Speaker 1: covered in mulch and dirt and left there like that dead.

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Speaker 1: Her face bashed in and is speakured joining me at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse. Climb online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave Mack,

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Speaker 1: I'm especially interested and a jailhouse call that a bara

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Speaker 1: made to his wife believe Leela Franco tell me the

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Speaker 1: crux of that phone call, Dave.

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Speaker 4: Mac It was really about how could you possibly be

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Speaker 4: there and not do it? Apparently, you know this is

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Speaker 4: all Frands, but all jailhouse calls a recorded, We all

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Speaker 4: know that.

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Speaker 5: But he says, I.

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Speaker 4: Was there, but I didn't do it, and she's like, wait,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, you were there, you didn't do it.

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Speaker 4: How do you see somebody that is dead and you

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Speaker 4: don't call nine one one oh?

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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen? How does a defense attorney attack that? Daryl

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Speaker 1: Cohen joining me, high profile defense lawyer in the Georgia jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: who is practiced in this courthouse many many times. What

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Speaker 1: do you do with that? His own wife is saying, well,

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Speaker 1: wait wait, you're there and you see her dying, and

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Speaker 1: you do nothing. His own wife is up to here

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Speaker 1: with him.

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Speaker 8: What do you do with that?

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Speaker 7: The answer is, in my view, you leave it alone

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Speaker 7: because nothing he can say is going to make it

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Speaker 7: better and he's not going to get on the stand.

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Speaker 7: So what you do is you leave it alone from

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Speaker 7: the testimony, no questions, your honor, and then you argue

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Speaker 7: it on the last time that you have to argue

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Speaker 7: in front of the court and you say he did

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Speaker 7: not admit to doing it.

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Speaker 8: That's what you've gotten.

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Speaker 7: And so you've got to deal with what you have

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Speaker 7: and hear the evidence, you know.

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Speaker 1: What, JERYLD. Cohen. Here in lies the rub the conundrum.

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Speaker 1: If they had chosen a jury trial, there could have

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Speaker 1: been an argument, and I believe that there was to

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Speaker 1: keep this out of evidence under the husband and wife

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Speaker 1: marital privilege. Here's the problem with aventch trial. When the

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Speaker 1: judge is making all the decisions and acting as the jury,

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Speaker 1: she hears all of the evidence that could get suppressed.

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Speaker 1: So how are you going to put that out of

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Speaker 1: your mind? This had a chance at being suppressed under

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Speaker 1: husband wife marital privilege, right, but the judge heard that.

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Speaker 1: If it happened to suppress, he's already heard. It's too late.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: There's so much evidence pieced by piece by piece that

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Speaker 7: the only thing the defense says is to show he's

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Speaker 7: not as horrible as the crime that he is accused

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Speaker 7: and will likely be convicted of doing.

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Speaker 8: That's what you've got.

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Speaker 7: You don't have a choice. This is not a win loss.

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Speaker 7: This is not a guilty versus not guilty. This is

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Speaker 7: a guilty that he's going to have.

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Speaker 1: Period crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: is joining me. Renowned psychologists joining us out of the

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Speaker 1: Manhattan jurisdiction, TV radio trauma expert. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at Karenstart dot com Karen with a C if you

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Speaker 1: are looking for her. Karen Stark, this wife. You know,

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Speaker 1: the reason that this was not suppressed is because it

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Speaker 1: was made on jail house call. And Carrie, you and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about this many many times. Let's just

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Speaker 1: say you and your lawyer. Okay, first of all, let's

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Speaker 1: pretend Karen Start committed to murder and you're with your

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Speaker 1: defense attorney and you're talking about your case. That's privilege

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Speaker 1: unless you're doing it at a cocktail party and people

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Speaker 1: are listening. You quote, waive the privilege. You can no

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Speaker 1: longer assert attorney client privilege because other people could hear you.

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Speaker 1: That's on you. So in this case, his husband wife

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Speaker 1: conversation he had with the wife or name is Ley

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Speaker 1: Lunge Franco. The conversation he has with her is in

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Speaker 1: an open venue, on a recorded transmission from the jail.

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Speaker 1: That is how the state defeated the defense argument. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that said, idiot, I can only say it again. He

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Speaker 1: calls his wife and places it's Scott Peterson all over again.

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Speaker 1: He places himself at the scene of the crime with

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Speaker 1: the dead body, and his wife is like, I can't

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Speaker 1: believe that she stood there and watched this girl die

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Speaker 1: and did nothing.

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Speaker 12: But Nancy, I mean clearly he is not a rocket

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Speaker 12: scientist in this because we know that those phone calls

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Speaker 12: are being taped and can be heard. But this guy

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Speaker 12: has no emotions. It's called emotional blunting. The whole idea

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Speaker 12: that his eyes are dead, that he removes himself from

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Speaker 12: the consequences and circumstances of what happened.

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Speaker 9: He actually can turn.

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Speaker 1: It all off.

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Speaker 6: We're going to the head or remove her bubber breath.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell with the UGA Police Department,

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Speaker 1: upon the discovery of Lake and Riley's body. Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Her injuries were so severe that her face was disfigured.

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Speaker 5: She was beaten with a rock until she was dead. Nancy,

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Speaker 5: you and I have always said the victim's body tells

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Speaker 5: a story from head to toe, but so does Josea

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Speaker 5: Bars And let me tell you what his body tells me.

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Speaker 5: His wrists, his knuckles, his elbow, his arm, his throat,

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Speaker 5: his neck, his back. It tells me Lake and Riley

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Speaker 5: fought him, not just for eighteen minutes, but she fought

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Speaker 5: him for her life. And I think that is going

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Speaker 5: to resonate with not just the judge and not just

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Speaker 5: the community, but the entire United States.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is a very special guest. It's doctor

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's renow medical Examiner, chief medical Examiner in Terran County.

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Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of

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Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU and has conducted thousands of autopsies of

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Speaker 1: all genre, be the accident side, natural causes, and of

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Speaker 1: course murder. Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Could you describe the injuries to Lake and Riley.

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Speaker 3: So she had blood force injuries of her head that

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Speaker 3: deformed her facial skeleton. So with the murder weapon being

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Speaker 3: a rock, it's a hard, kind of oddly shaped object

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Speaker 3: that was repeatedly bashed into her head until her skull fractures,

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Speaker 3: exposing her brain and killing her. She would have lacerations

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Speaker 3: and abrasions associated with that and then she's described as

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Speaker 3: having other injuries on her chest and abdomen that are

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Speaker 3: linear that could be from her clothing being violently pulled

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Speaker 3: or another object being used to hit her with as well.

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Speaker 3: But usually these blunt force object injury pmicides are very

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Speaker 3: primitive and very traumatic because it takes multiple strikes to

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Speaker 3: kill a person with the object.

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Speaker 1: What is a depressed skull fracture because she had that

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Speaker 1: on the side of her head, Doctor kimdl.

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Speaker 3: Crown, So, depressed skull fracture is your cranium is kind

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Speaker 3: of a has a kind of a dome shape and

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Speaker 3: when it's hit in it, it pushes in. So that's

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Speaker 3: what a depressed skull fracture is, is a pushed in

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Speaker 3: skull fracture.

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Speaker 1: Depressed skull fracture on left side of head. Eight other

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Speaker 1: lacerations to the left side of her head which literally

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Speaker 1: look like holes h o l ees holes. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean, doctor Crown.

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Speaker 3: You look at that rock. It has kind of a

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Speaker 3: point at end, and it's almost like it could be

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Speaker 3: punched into her head, punching out these lacerations or making

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Speaker 3: the holes on the side of her.

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Speaker 8: Head as well.

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Speaker 3: All the blood on the rock as well as she's

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Speaker 3: just being hit repeatedly with this rock, ripping her head open,

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Speaker 3: fracturing her skull, exposing her brain.

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Speaker 1: I am particularly interested in the fact that she had

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Speaker 1: hemorrhaging in the particular in her eyes, which is usually

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Speaker 1: indicative of a strangulation or asphyxiation of some sort. How

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Speaker 1: is that possible with blunt force trauma to the head.

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Speaker 3: So it's possible that she was strangled as well as beaten,

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Speaker 3: because the particular hemorrhages are going to be from more

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Speaker 3: likely than not being strangled. That's how he possibly gets

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Speaker 3: her to the ground. Sometimes with these cases, they strangle

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Speaker 3: him initially thinking that they've killed them, they're going to

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Speaker 3: rape them, and then the person wakes back up because

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Speaker 3: they didn't strangle them long enough, and then they switch

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Speaker 3: up to beating them with the available blood object at

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Speaker 3: the scene, which happened to be a rock in this one, Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Kennel Crowns, you have guided me through many murders where

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Speaker 1: some type of a blunt object was used, from a

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Speaker 1: baseball bat to a wrench, as in the case of

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Speaker 1: doctor Teresa Sivers, or just very often we can actually

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Speaker 1: look at the injury in the brand in the goal

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Speaker 1: and can match that injury back to the weapon. You know,

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Speaker 1: think of a wrench, or think of a hammer, or

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Speaker 1: think which was in siver as a claw hammer, but

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Speaker 1: in this case a rock due to the gross formation

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Speaker 1: of a rock as opposed to a cylindrical weapon like

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Speaker 1: a baseball bat. Can you match an object like a

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Speaker 1: rock up to the deformity in the head the disfiguration

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Speaker 1: of this skull.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could bring it up next to the

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Speaker 3: depressed skull fracture and get kind of a size comparison.

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Speaker 3: But unlike the other objects that you're describing, it won't

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Speaker 3: leave a pattern injury like a hammer or a claw

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Speaker 3: A wrench would leave. A rock is just kind of

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Speaker 3: more of this amorphous odd shape, So you can't get

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Speaker 3: a good pattern match on a rock.

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Speaker 1: Joining us at the courthouse, sitting through all of the evidence,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mack from Crime Online. He's an investigative reporter. Described

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Speaker 1: to me, Dave Mack, the injuries on Ebara, the suspect

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Speaker 1: in this case, Actually, you know.

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Speaker 13: What they're scratching. The ones that stick out to me

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Speaker 13: are the scratch marks that are clear on him from

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Speaker 13: the very beginning, because you know, we know that Lake

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Speaker 13: and Riley put up a fight. We know that from

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Speaker 13: her garment. Watch we know everything. See he's showing there

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Speaker 13: on his arms, He's showing these marks all over his

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Speaker 13: body and their marks from Lake and Riley as she

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Speaker 13: is fighting for everything she's got and he just again.

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Speaker 13: How can this dead eyed man sit in court knowing

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Speaker 13: all of this is going on. You're seeing the pictures

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Speaker 13: on screen.

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Speaker 1: He's scratched all over the place. Nancy to doctor Kendall

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Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical examiner Terrance County, if you could dummy

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Speaker 1: down for me just one moment, Doctor Crown's, how is

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Speaker 1: the DNA under her fingernails preserved?

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Speaker 3: So when the individuals scratch the person that's killing them,

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Speaker 3: the skin gets ripped off the and they scratch and

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Speaker 3: it builds up underneath the fingernails itself. So you can

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Speaker 3: find that debris on the examination by doing fingernails scrapings

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Speaker 3: at the time of autopsy, usually using this wooden kind

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Speaker 3: of spatialistic but that it's usually found quite readily when

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Speaker 3: they've scratched an individual multiple times.

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Speaker 1: The victims hands are preserved at the scene with paper

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Speaker 1: bags placed over the hands and then rubber bands placed

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Speaker 1: at the wrist to secure the bags. Paper is used

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Speaker 1: over plastic, so there is no transfer to Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and not in a good way. That Ibora slept

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Speaker 1: quote like a baby the night after Lacan was murdered,

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Speaker 1: the night sheet was murdered. How do we know that Cheryl.

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Speaker 5: McCollum Law enforcement had body cam own When they went

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Speaker 5: to the apartment after two sub subjects come out, they

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Speaker 5: see Josea Bara in the bed through the front door.

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Speaker 5: They bang on the side of the door. They holler

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Speaker 5: for him to wake up, wake up, wake up. It

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Speaker 5: takes a minute for him to you know, shake it

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Speaker 5: off and wake up and get up out of the

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Speaker 5: bed and put it slides on to come outside. And

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Speaker 5: that's when we see him talking with his brother and

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Speaker 5: his other roommate and he starts to laugh.

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Speaker 1: He starts to giggle. After sleeping, Beauty is finally awoken,

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Speaker 1: sleeps like a baby. According to prosecutors, thinking Lake and

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Speaker 1: Riley's body is still out there, we wait as justice unfals.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our guests for being

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Speaker 1: with us and wading through this evidence and sparring with

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Speaker 1: me regarding how evidence could be tested and disproven, but

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Speaker 1: especially to you, justice is unfolding right now in a

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Speaker 1: court of law, and we are there and you are

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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you, goodbye friend,