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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. All and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in this trade. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're not

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Speaker 1: tuned in the kJ Live. Today's guest on the show

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Speaker 1: was a long time basketball scout working the most respected

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Speaker 1: minds in the game, Dane Irth in the building. Dane

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Speaker 1: was good, my man, Chris, what's going on with your family?

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Speaker 1: How you been man? I've been good man. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: let me let me stop lying. All right. So the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks has been interesting for me. You know,

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Speaker 1: my Bruins got kicked out the tourney. I'm out hand

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Speaker 1: in l A. And the Lakers last night got the

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Speaker 1: door shut on them for the playoffs. So it's a

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Speaker 1: little disappointing, uh, just to say the least. Man, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what type of spring is gonna be out

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Speaker 1: here in l A. But I know we got good weather,

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Speaker 1: so can't beat that. But but but no, this is

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Speaker 1: a about you money. What's up with you? Man? What? What?

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Speaker 1: What's that? What's all the tap for you? Man? What's she?

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Speaker 1: But up too late? I'm well, um um, you know

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Speaker 1: for those and It's funny because coming from the final

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Speaker 1: four UM me working in the grassroom space previously, I

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Speaker 1: realized I didn't uh let a lot know that I

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Speaker 1: did make a transition to the to the pro level

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Speaker 1: UM and I'm just not the announcement guy. I'm not

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Speaker 1: the edit guy. I mean, I leave that for the kids.

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Speaker 1: But those that knew, they know UM, and they knew

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Speaker 1: UM and I just had to like kind of tell something.

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Speaker 1: But it it was kind of refreshing to know I

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Speaker 1: had coaches because I did do a great job and

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Speaker 1: you know, disseminating information, getting out the right information to

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Speaker 1: those guys, because like this upcoming weekend is the live

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Speaker 1: period for a lot of grassroots kids, so coaches need

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Speaker 1: to know where to go. And I did a good

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Speaker 1: job of making sure and letting them know not only

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Speaker 1: where to go across the country, but what you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the premier kids in the state of Texas UM,

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Speaker 1: as well as New York and California and other places

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Speaker 1: who they needed to see. UM. I think I did

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Speaker 1: a good job to say, you know, for my you know,

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Speaker 1: close to ten years in the space and not sponsored

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Speaker 1: by many of the machines, that I did a great

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Speaker 1: job of covering the proper spaces, whether it was from

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Speaker 1: Tino's and his pain Goes Brand to Ryan Silver, the

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Speaker 1: West Coast League, I mean many of those. No, I

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Speaker 1: covered the E y b L to even my home

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Speaker 1: kids um. I did a good job of doing that.

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Speaker 1: So knowing that running across the coaches on Canal and

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Speaker 1: Bourbon Street and Man, I ain't gotta report, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've moved on to another space, so and

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Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the space, so I can't complain about that.

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Speaker 1: And that's awesome. Man. So as we talk about scouting, man,

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Speaker 1: and you've had your feet kind of rooted in that

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Speaker 1: for for a large part of your career. I used

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Speaker 1: to work for a technology company. Man. We had an iPad,

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Speaker 1: I own app that used to digitize the scouting process.

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Speaker 1: So he basically took like uh Excel sheet and you know,

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Speaker 1: put it up to the cloud and you had a

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Speaker 1: you know, an app on your phone you could like

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Speaker 1: take text notes and you know, record voice memos and

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Speaker 1: you know, keep track of shot charging things like that

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Speaker 1: as a scout as as as somebody that is a

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Speaker 1: talent evaluating. I don't like to say just scout because

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Speaker 1: you're an evaluate of talent. Can you talk to me

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Speaker 1: about how your process when you were in the game

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Speaker 1: heavy had changed over the years from when you first

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Speaker 1: was a little different to where you probably I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you was always in the building and in every gym,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like scouting evolved into something else. Can

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Speaker 1: you talk Can you touch on that a little bit? Well?

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Speaker 1: For sure. When I initially started, you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: I had to pour all my thoughts into said individuals

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Speaker 1: my Robbin there, who's now the current new head coach

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Speaker 1: at s m u UM. He's been a close mentor

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Speaker 1: of mind. And I remember doing one of my early

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Speaker 1: and I sent it that like twelve noon, and he

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Speaker 1: hit me back immediately like twelve eleven and said, nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna read all of this. So I had to learn

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Speaker 1: early and often that I had to be concise. I

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Speaker 1: entire sentences. So instead of now this twenty one line

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Speaker 1: breakdown of Chris Johnson, I had to break this down

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Speaker 1: the four I had to get it down the three

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Speaker 1: um small print, you know, things of that nature. So

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint, I had to grow in that space.

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Speaker 1: I do understand the popularity part um, when you talk

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Speaker 1: about social media. Social media has infiltrated um scouting in

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Speaker 1: some ways some people. Some people see it in a

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Speaker 1: good way. But to the purest and I consider myself

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Speaker 1: of the peers like myself, UM, it's it's had a

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Speaker 1: lot of harm because I think with social media, you

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Speaker 1: and I both know something can happen. I live Will Smith,

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Speaker 1: Chris Rock and it's heard around the world in a

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Speaker 1: matter of seconds. Um. Depending on the platform. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to social media, if you get some of the

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Speaker 1: giants in the space to tweet something, it can go

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Speaker 1: around the world in a matter of seconds. So if

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Speaker 1: you get someone who has a platform like a John Lucas,

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Speaker 1: Seth Uh, Seth Davis or Jeff Goodman, Um Jeff Borzello,

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Speaker 1: Jason Jordan's Um, Eric metcalf Um. Stuff like that. It can,

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Speaker 1: it can, It can get everywhere to every crevice that

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Speaker 1: it needs to get too good or bad, and it

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Speaker 1: stays on people because they can even people like yourself.

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Speaker 1: You have your brother, he has a platform, Josiah, so

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Speaker 1: you can say something and if it's not one accurate,

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Speaker 1: people can see it for what it is. There's so

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Speaker 1: many young guys that we know have gone viral on

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Speaker 1: social media and in people's mind they think they can

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Speaker 1: really play because they may have made a move and

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Speaker 1: it A hundred thousand people have seen it, a half

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Speaker 1: a million people have seen it. And people think popularity

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Speaker 1: means you're good, and that's not the case, and you

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Speaker 1: you just said something that is really defines the culture today.

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Speaker 1: Popularity is what matters. Who they like is what matters.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't It doesn't necessarily matter if you're good at

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Speaker 1: what you do. It doesn't necessarily matter if you're an

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Speaker 1: expert in your field. But if you are liked and

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Speaker 1: you have the people behind you, they're rolling. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, when you miss on a player, say

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Speaker 1: I know Clint Parks are good buddy. Clint Parks is

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Speaker 1: always talking about all the misses in the class that

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Speaker 1: Kawhi letter came out with and who who who who

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Speaker 1: people ranked and what the scoutings had. When you miss

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Speaker 1: dave on a guy, do you do it like self evaluation?

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Speaker 1: Do you not trip at all? Is it something to

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Speaker 1: about it. Where is this something that you say, wait,

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Speaker 1: why did I miss on him? And I need to

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Speaker 1: sharpen up certain parts of my game so I don't

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Speaker 1: miss on another one? Or does it even matter to you? Well,

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Speaker 1: like they say, uh, pencils come with the racist for

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Speaker 1: a reason. Um, you know, people make mistakes. Uh, just

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Speaker 1: like even a mistake that I may I called the

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Speaker 1: gentleman Eric Metcalf, which that was the running back from

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Speaker 1: the Browns, when it's Myron metcalfs I correct that because

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Speaker 1: Myron is I was thinking. I was thinking like that.

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Speaker 1: I hope Myron gets a kick out of that. So

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Speaker 1: my apologies because he does great work. But I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing football a couple of my guys, but

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Speaker 1: no Myron Metcalf. And that's my point that you make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: It's your job, though, to go back and correct it.

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Speaker 1: And I think when we talk popularity, we talked scouting

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Speaker 1: and especially a lot of the vehicles, like the websites,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know your rivals, you sevens, go back

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Speaker 1: to scout, you go back to hoop scoop. I think

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Speaker 1: that's something that they did not like to do. They

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Speaker 1: that they couldn't make mistakes. That you may jump out

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Speaker 1: there and you may rank a kid out of particular slot,

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you came across as if you

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Speaker 1: the pro level, they weren't that good, you'll be quick

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Speaker 1: to say, well he was good at my level. No,

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Speaker 1: he was never good to begin with. He was never

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Speaker 1: give you one of my missus, and I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a miss because when I look at

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Speaker 1: with Luca, you've seen so many European bigs come over

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Speaker 1: have success. Um, you had to share point guards that

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Speaker 1: And it was going back to guys like a Haydu

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Speaker 1: Turgalou or some other guys that you say, well, he

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Speaker 1: of people saw Luca being what he is now because

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Speaker 1: and the opportunity to do what he's doing. How much

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Speaker 1: weight when you're evaluating Luca, how much weight did you

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Speaker 1: put into the fact that he was playing in the

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Speaker 1: a CB since he was fifteen, sixteen or whatever, real Madrid,

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Speaker 1: high level European basketball at an early age, because you

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Speaker 1: know how it is with those guys. It's like you

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Speaker 1: see him in soccer. You see that once fifteen year

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Speaker 1: old on the first team dog, you know he's nice.

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Speaker 1: I just wondered, like, when you saw the competition level

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Speaker 1: and his production day, what made what didn't you necessarily

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Speaker 1: weren't you sold on? So I looked at the league,

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Speaker 1: though I looked at what the NBA had, and not

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Speaker 1: for nothing, guys are aging guys were in JR. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I weighed that properly because I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: he's coming into a league with Kauai Lebron or George

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in my mind, and I'm thinking solely small forward.

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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking they were gonna allow him to be

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Speaker 1: as versatile as he was. I'm thinking you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: it up with them. But low and behold. That's what

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Speaker 1: I did get wrong, And probably I did not weigh

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Speaker 1: enough of the league that he was in. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you were familiar with it to understand, Nah, this

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Speaker 1: this would be equivalent to a blue blood league of

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Speaker 1: high level college basketball. This may translate. So I didn't

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Speaker 1: look at that because you're talking about we were coming

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Speaker 1: out of ra with so many guys that we saw

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Speaker 1: that were drafted overseas. They were drafted in the top five,

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Speaker 1: ten first round and never came over you know, New

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Speaker 1: York City to this day, and I know it's it's

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Speaker 1: a piece of round tests, you know, metal world piece

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Speaker 1: that it's still didn't in his heart that his beloved

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Speaker 1: knicks were right there, and they took Frederick White's who

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Speaker 1: said kid is coming in and I find out to

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Speaker 1: be the most like what you literally here because I

430
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: think the system is twisted. I keep saying it needs

431
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: to be a hard reset on on the system as

432
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: far as with with with college as well as high

433
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: school and grassroots, because there's a mix up of respect,

434
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: there's a mix up of understanding. I remember UM coming

435
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: up in Queens and and playing with um well known

436
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: UH college assistant Kamana Young has done a great job

437
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: at the University of Connecticut, and he was older than I,

438
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: but with my younger group. Like we said earlier in

439
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: a separate conversation, it's a young man's game. So he's

440
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: coming from Utah playing for the legendary coach Haskins. And

441
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: when we're playing on a black stop, we're isolating and

442
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: driving and Duncan and Duncan and one day he literally

443
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: stopped me and a couple of my friends is that understanding.

444
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: College somebody's gonna be there. So what you think you're

445
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: doing on the street and in high school that don't work.

446
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: In college, you got coaches that spend hours upon hours.

447
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: You and I probably have spent a thousand hours doing

448
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: the shell drill in practice. You know what I'm saying.

449
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: So when it gets drilled in your mind, your strengths

450
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: get taken away. So bringing it back to your question

451
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: about development, I think there needs to be some type

452
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: of the relinquish of power um hovered over the teaching aspect.

453
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be a level of certification.

454
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: I haven't had to always these experience, but I hear

455
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: from so many guys like yourself that the teachers of

456
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: the game abroad they have to go to a level

457
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: of certification. There has to be a screening, And I

458
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: think now it's more about again who's popular, who has

459
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: the relationship with said kid, and then that individual holds

460
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: that power over everyone who comes across with this kid,

461
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: whether it's the AU coach, the high school coach, even

462
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: up to the collegiate level, they're holding Because I have

463
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: control over Chris Johnson, I can make Chris transfer from

464
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: U C l A. So consequently, you're gonna let me

465
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: do what I want to do with Chris and whatever

466
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: else I want to do. That issue that has to

467
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: be regulated somehow, and it can be with a pool

468
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: a level of teaching that like some type of board

469
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: where we have enough eight minds in this country where

470
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: we could set up aboard. UM. Maybe it's even a

471
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: conversation with people like Jeremy McCool at the n C

472
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: Double A that that you know, we need to set

473
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: this up to allow that to open up the teaching process.

474
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: I feel like USA Basketball, the onus is on USA

475
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: Basketball to do that. I feel like USA Basketball has

476
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: responsibility to organize to bring everything together under one roof

477
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: make it easy. Because I went through a certification process

478
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: through them years ago. I don't know if you remember,

479
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: they were doing those coaches license uh for stuff and

480
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: you had to you had to do it to coach

481
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: on the E Y B l A A U and

482
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: you have to be certified. So that was a good start. Um,

483
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: it sort of weeds out the um. You know those

484
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: dudes you you talked about a little earlier. But I

485
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: also feel like basketball is so boys basketball so different

486
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: in the politics and the dynamics. Something has to be

487
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: done with disability to be above the rules, to be

488
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: above the law. You know, everything applies to everybody else,

489
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: but because he's so good, nothing applies to him. That's

490
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: so that part of it. As we evolved as a

491
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: society of the culture, we gotta get out of that,

492
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: take that out of our hoop culture and really kind

493
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: of you know, stop treating stop overlooking stuff or treating

494
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: people at their but the rules because of their talent level.

495
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: I'm just that's that's that's ridiculous to me. No, that

496
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: that's very ridiculous. But to your point about the certification

497
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: piece and and and I know USA Basketball, uh, Coacht Show,

498
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Walter and those guys who a great job Showman White, um,

499
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: but I gotta ask the question, are they the loan

500
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: people to do that? Is it possible that another group

501
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: or committee can be created? And again I'm trying to

502
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: incorporate the NT double A because if if someone like

503
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Jeremy were cool, who was very very knowledgeable, he understands,

504
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: he understands both sides because of course he works in

505
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: the n C double A And then he comes from

506
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: the culture in which you and I come from like

507
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: could he not put together a board across the country

508
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: who individuals that are trusted that if you're on the

509
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: West coast with Pool and Jason, I may be in

510
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: the South guys like a Malik Rose or someone like

511
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams is on the East coast like because they're

512
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: only but it's only so much USA basketball can do

513
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying, Like they're entity in itself

514
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: and for them to have to cover the entire country

515
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: on their own, at some point some of these responsibilities

516
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: have to be extended out with individuals that want that

517
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: have the same mindset that you and I have to say.

518
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: We need to make sure that we as a nation

519
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: making sure that our dominance is not coming off the

520
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: next of the rest of the world. Because to your point,

521
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: if the m v P goes away, and it goes

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: and this is gonna be now the fourth ye in

523
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: a row that the League MVP has not been an

524
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: American born player. So we know that narrative is coming up.

525
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: We know the narrative of y can't America when the

526
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: League MVP suppose we're the best league in the world,

527
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: all the foreigners and what an m v P and

528
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: it's just like, okay, so now we gotta go on this.

529
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: You know, Redeemed Team Tour dominate the game again. But

530
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: it is worth the conversation. I'm saying, well, what are

531
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: they doing that we're not doing that They're getting it

532
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: right and we're not getting it right. So um, it's

533
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: it's worth the conversation. I think for sure to talk

534
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: about why USA basketball. I just feel like a governing

535
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: body that has established respect around the country should take

536
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: the lead on the situation like that. And if in

537
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: to your point about having uh different parts of the

538
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: country and like satellite committees and things like that, that

539
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But there has for me,

540
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: it's like who we are, Who are people gonna listen to?

541
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: Like what who has Who's going to be able to

542
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: command the respect? Is it the n C Double A?

543
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do we respect the n C Double

544
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: A still? I don't know, you know, our dudes rolling

545
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: with the n C Double A like we used to

546
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: not as much. But USC basketball still sort of has

547
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: a good reputation. They have the ain power. Grand Hills involved.

548
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: I think he's doing something over their USA. He's the

549
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: director that he runs it all he's the guy. So

550
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: now it's like, you know what, I feel like they

551
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: just because they do it with us A Volleyball. I

552
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: experienced it working on with with like USA Soccer, us

553
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: A Volleyball when I was doing that tech company. They're

554
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: so frequent organized, they have all their registration, Like every

555
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: tournament that's ever played for us A Volleyball, it goes

556
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: to us A valuable all the registration. That's It's not

557
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: like and you know how basketball's individuals know. It's a

558
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: database that USA Volleyball has on everybody. They do it

559
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: in soccer as well. I just would like to see

560
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: USA basketball a little bit more organized and kind of

561
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: leading the charge on that push for development. So here

562
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: here's a good point to that, to that convo too

563
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: as well though, and and even to your NC double

564
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: A point. While U s A, you're right, they have

565
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: that respect that on and that that that they have

566
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: that steak in the space, but the n C double A,

567
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: regardless how we both feel, they still can shut things down.

568
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I'm saying, like as a masses,

569
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: because you and I can feel what we want, but

570
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: we still got to go to college. So we're like

571
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: we're still right in front of them and they can

572
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, so remember that conversation, you know what

573
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like not that they moved like that had

574
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: our own ex man, just but I'm looking at the

575
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: n C double A that they still con deem you ineligible.

576
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: They still dictate when you can transfer. They still dictate

577
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: a lot in the space. So even though like you said,

578
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: their brand is not as it's not shining as bright,

579
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: but that sign is still on and that sign is

580
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: still there, so um there that I mean again, I'm

581
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always open for positivity and moving forward

582
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: with things, and I think this is a great talking

583
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: point at some point, um to have that convo because

584
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: of again getting that that that's that, that's that stronghold

585
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: again on things like you're saying, like we're starting to

586
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: see the early signs that that others are are you know,

587
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: putting their foot down. We need to get back to

588
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: what we know. When you think about in terms of value,

589
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: the most important basketball events for a potential draft pick

590
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: during the pre draft process, When you think about it

591
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: in terms of value, there is there is that there

592
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: is the highest value in individual workouts against other guys.

593
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: These these one on ones, two on two situations or

594
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: is it Chicago? Is it Portsmith? Is it you know

595
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: those type of events that matter more as far as

596
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: making an impression for a draft pick or do these

597
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: guys already have who they drafted? Talk to me? Let

598
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: me not expect that you talk to me well, to me, Yeah,

599
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I think you can't. It goes back to what we

600
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: just talked about n C Double AF. There are certain

601
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: gentleman's from this past year that they put their working

602
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: during the season. They're not gonna work out, They're not

603
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: going to Portsman, They're not, um going to Tampa. Tampa

604
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: is a new event that's starting to spring up, gentlemen. Yeah,

605
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: and Matt Babcock and a couple of guys and I

606
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: know his uncle and yeah, so they're they're doing event

607
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: down in Tampa. Um, you have Pointsmouth, you have Chicago.

608
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: But think about it, the really good ones are not

609
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: playing it. So what does that actually tell you? If

610
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: you put the work in during the season, if you

611
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: look the part um, you don't have to do any

612
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: of that. You literally don't. They're really good ones work

613
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: out by them. You think Tim Duncan went through Chicago,

614
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: You think Tim Duncan went through a workout with anybody? Now,

615
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: let's keep it a hundred. Did Allen Iverson work out

616
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: with anybody like? No? Definitely not your top lottery guys, right,

617
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: so after after the lottery, there's one. Now that's a

618
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: better question. Now, depending on who you are, what you

619
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: look like. I believe there are two types of draft bocks.

620
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: It's just me. You have those that aesthetically they looked apart.

621
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: There are six nine with the seven five wing span.

622
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: They jump out to the gym, the Olympus like Stacy Akerman's.

623
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, they got the mind of a great point guard.

624
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, And it doesn't matter what

625
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: that prospect does, he's gonna get a shot at the

626
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: next level. You feel what I'm saying. But then the

627
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: other type of prospect, to me, it's the resume pro

628
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: It's the pro that he goes to school three four

629
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: years and he has a heavy two time Power five

630
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: conference playered a year, he went to three Elite aids,

631
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: won the Final four, or he went to two Elite

632
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: aids to Final four. Is one national championship, and he

633
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: has those other parts as well. He's gonna get a shot.

634
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a shot. So like you take somebody

635
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: like Luca Dowson who's a rookie. Now, like he he

636
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: was on the fence. People aesthetically they didn't think he

637
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: moved fast enough just and the third. But when you

638
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: look at his resume as a collegiate player, it was heavy. Now, granted,

639
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: was he a top fifteen pick like you mentioned, he wasn't.

640
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't a top fifteen and thirty. But did he

641
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: get drafted? He did? You take another version like Tyler hands,

642
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: where I tease a lot of Carolina players when I

643
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: tell him, resume wise, he's the best player to ever

644
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: played in North Carolina. And when you look at Tyler

645
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: Hansburg's resume, you cannot fight it like it's true. But

646
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: did he looked apart this that the third? He probably didn't,

647
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: But did he still get a shot? He got a shot.

648
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: So I think to me, when it boils down to

649
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: the draft, in that process, you're dealing with those two types,

650
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: and depending on who you are with those types, is

651
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: how your process is gonna go. Because you may have

652
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: to go to Chicago as a fourth, third or fourth

653
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: year maybe in this case, fifth year senior improve your

654
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: ability once again. And if you if you go on

655
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: doing your job and you are who you are, you

656
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: have no problem with doing that. I think when people

657
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: short change themselves as they go to Chicago to be

658
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: all in the videos, but then what it's trying to perform. Oh,

659
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work out. You're like, wait a minute,

660
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: what like why would you do that? Like? So that's

661
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: why I think guys short changed themselves. Man, that's that

662
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: was a dope breakdown. I think two things. Yes, guys,

663
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: they sure changed themselves when they don't play, But guys

664
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: that go in there already with the resume and then

665
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: decide to play, I think they helped. I think those

666
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: guys show basketball people something. I think that that that

667
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: resonates with Hooper to Hooper is a basketball evaluator or

668
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: somebody the front office that you're looking at that this

669
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: guy wanted to play all heat. Okay, you know he's

670
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: he's he's a little bit of a different breed. The

671
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: other thing, I also think that some of those guys,

672
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: especially the top guys, if they go, ah, playing in

673
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Chicago gets all these hungry dudes, and you know you're

674
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: a top guy. You go you will end up getting

675
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: looking bad. You look bad, like look them settings are

676
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: horrible for some guys dog them setting. That's because you

677
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: you go play against some undersize six one six two

678
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: guys that can pick you up full and just gonna

679
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: take you out of your whole offensive package. You can't

680
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: here to jumper. You're just like, hey, this dude, and

681
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: it's front of twenty nine scouts. Man, I've heard I've

682
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: heard stories where guys actually fail in the draft because

683
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: of stories like that, and so you know, it's it's

684
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a really interesting conundry when you

685
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: when we talk about this this year's draft. I wanted

686
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: to just find out how much does like off the

687
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: court stuff, social media, how much does that matter, you know,

688
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: to a franchise nowadays as far as the representation of

689
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: that said person, because you have for me, it's like this,

690
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: when you get these European guys, they're they're messing up

691
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: the game for Americans because the Euros they do everything. No,

692
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: they are think about it. There they are they are

693
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: always doing they see this. They out of trouble to

694
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: keep their nose clean. They be in the gym bro

695
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: They used to that ridiculous three a day. They used

696
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: to the three a day. So they live in the

697
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: gym like nothing. So so they're making brothers. They're making

698
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Americans look bad with the work ethnic in my opinion,

699
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: and their ability to conform and just their attitude. Do

700
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: you think off the court stuff, social media presence, you know,

701
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and how people act, players potential draft picks act matters

702
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot more than it used to. I think, Um,

703
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I think it's rather simple. Does your skill outweigh your problems?

704
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it gets You don't get any simpler

705
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: than that. Does your skill outweigh your problems? We we

706
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: could name somebody from even side of the sets. They

707
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: could be blood or crib, they could be in the

708
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: they could be magic in mafia, and they can be

709
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: part of the cool Klux Klan. But if at their

710
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: position they have a skill level and an ability to

711
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: do something that very few, if anybody in that draft

712
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: class cannot do, there's always gonna be a value. I

713
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: think we see it in football where guys who they

714
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: have domestic cases. We've seen cases where people have unfortunately

715
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: lost their lives, they make their way back to the

716
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: football fire because why their talent it outweighs their troubles,

717
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: believe it or not, their ability is gonna be able

718
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: to draw fifties, sixties, seventy thousand people to that football

719
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: arena to see them perform. And when it comes to

720
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: the basketball court, whether we want to accept it or not, um,

721
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: same rules apply. I think in a society where you know,

722
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: twenty years ago marijuana was completely completely frowned upon, and

723
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: we probably did see some people draft stock drop, if

724
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: not get picked at all, because again what their skill

725
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: wasn't better, you know than their problems the kind quently

726
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: they didn't make it. But I mean, let's let's you

727
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: and I are smart enough to know in the history

728
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: of the game there have been some other advices that

729
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: people had beyond marijuana that they still staying in the space,

730
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: and some probably even Hall of Fame individuals, So um,

731
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't matter. So I think now fast

732
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: forward things like marijuana, some people may still hold it high. Um.

733
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: I do think in in the in the women empowerment

734
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: movement that we're in now, you better not have anything

735
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: with a with a domestic case, um, anything about any

736
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: violence towards women. I think it's hard to come back

737
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: from stuff like that, um, but everything else that probably

738
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: used to be frowned upon, like you may have a chance.

739
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Are you that good? That's that's all you have the

740
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: access though? Are you good enough? And if you're not

741
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: good enough, then no, you're not gonna get a shot.

742
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: But if you are, you're gonna have a chance. Fox

743
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

744
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: Catch all of our is that Fox Sports Radio dot

745
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f

746
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: s R to listen live. I just feel like the

747
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: way that rosters are constructed in the NBA now has

748
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: changed right back in you know, in another time. You know,

749
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: you always had a couple of roster spots for those

750
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of goon type guys, and so they eliminated goons

751
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: on the roster in the NBA. So now no, no,

752
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: So now you got you got everybody's a ballplayer. You

753
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: got a bunch of nice guys, nice kids who who

754
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: who's you know, are magnificent in front of the camera,

755
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: Understand how to be marketable, Understand how branding works. Seven Um.

756
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: Because of that fact, I feel like when teams now

757
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: evaluate and you correct me if I'm wrong, I think

758
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: they take all of that into account because it's actually

759
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: a thing now. So it's now a thing. Social media, presence,

760
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: brand relevance, branding, marketing and all that stuff. It's it's

761
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: it's a thing, and you have to look at it.

762
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: I would think, and taking into account like if this

763
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: dude's out here doing crazy stuff on the internet, posting

764
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: and kind of being flagrant or you know, in any

765
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: way disrespectful or defends people, I'd like to believe that

766
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: the team that that would be a checkmark against him,

767
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, or if he's but telling you he's game score,

768
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: if he killed he's like, you know that guy. We've

769
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: seen this culture canceled pretty much anybody, so why would

770
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: they be different. I think for the basketball space for

771
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: both of us, though I don't think you will or

772
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: maybe if you have someone we haven't seen it yet.

773
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't believe though, um, of anyone who's made the

774
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: league off of how you're saying it. I think what

775
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: we've had, we've had colorful individuals like Nick, like Gilbert

776
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: who with social media, if they've done amazing things, they're

777
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: they're great storytellers. Um, they have a sense of humor,

778
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: things like that. But let's not get it twisted. They're

779
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: both killers on the basketball court. We've yet to get

780
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: somebody to our level. And I love for it that

781
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: they're in the space because they're funny, because they're articulate,

782
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: because they have everything going, they look good and they

783
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: can't play. And that's kind of the story that I

784
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: was sharing with a lot of parents. Um, because I

785
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: think that three letter word, that N I L word,

786
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: it's a little misleading. Um. I think people worry about

787
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: quote unquote branding and a lot of those things and

788
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: not understand before we get to N I L. Before

789
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: we get the branding, you know, what is your r

790
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: o I? What is your return on investment as a

791
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: prospect as an individual, Because if you don't have that,

792
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: news flash, you don't have a brand, you don't have

793
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: an n I L come in your direction. Because for

794
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: someone to invest into you, they need to know what

795
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: they're getting back. Now, if you Chris Johnson and your Prime,

796
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: you had the Curls, had the family up in Baldwin Hills,

797
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: you had something to sell, then of course we can

798
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: get this back, so we can give him this. That's cool.

799
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: But if you don't have anything to sell, that they

800
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: feel that they can make money off of all these

801
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: dreams of grant you that you think are in that

802
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: lane of n I L and this quote unquote brand

803
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: that people want to work on, but you're not working

804
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: on your game. Like all of that I just mentioned,

805
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: people would get to work on their game. So I think,

806
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: more than anything, get your game right first. And you

807
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: and I both know, and you live in l A.

808
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: There are hundreds thousands of marketing companies that can find

809
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: a way for you to make money, but your game

810
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: has to be there first. They're not just gonna market

811
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: you first. Know that that's a good point. Uh, don't

812
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: let your focus be on you know, branding and how

813
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: you gonna get this next N I L. Deal. I

814
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: talked to Tyson Wheelie to day and I asked them

815
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: specifically that he noticed the difference and his guys and

816
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: he kind of joking. He was like, yeah, guys, try

817
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: to get in the gym earlier, you know, try to

818
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: wake up at five work on this stuff, because man, coach,

819
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I gotta get this inn I L. And he literally

820
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: was telling me the players and telling him, coach, I

821
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: gotta get this n I L. I gotta get shots.

822
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: So that gave me a sense of where guys that

823
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: I looked at U C l A and I see

824
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: what they're doing over there, and some of the guys

825
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: in the brand and the marketing deals that they're saying

826
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: and things like that. But those guys do live in

827
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: the gym over there. But n I L. I think

828
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: was a needed thing. It's a little monkey right now.

829
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: It's not it's the wild wild West is not really regulated.

830
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: I think like it's gonna be in about a year's time.

831
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's good for the college kids to

832
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: receive some type of conversation and it's a step in

833
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: the right direction. Now. The transfer portal, on the other hand,

834
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. We saw, you know, teams in the

835
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament make deep runs with guys

836
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: out of that portal. Because coaches are in a hurry.

837
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: College coaches specifically now are in a hurry get old quickly.

838
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: They value experience. Does this mean that your three four

839
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: star five star No, I think five stars are okay,

840
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: but you're three or two three four star fringe high

841
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: school recruit now becomes less relevant to the college coach

842
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: because he might want to go after somebody in the

843
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: portal that's actually played a year of college basketball against

844
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: college age kids and proving himself on the college level.

845
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: What do you think about the transfer proto and its

846
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: effect on the college game. I I saw a great

847
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: tweet by John Lucas the other day talking about this

848
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: UM and he highlighted that having the championship game, he

849
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: said there were only two guys from both universities UM

850
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: that were from the portal UM. I looked back and

851
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: dug a little deeper of the final four teams, only

852
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: five players we're out of the portal UM. So shout

853
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: out to those four universities in in Nova, Kansas, Duke

854
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. And I think that that needs to

855
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: be highlighted because like analytics UM in basketball, it's a

856
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: part of the story, it's not the whole story. I

857
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: think we're colleges and universities are getting themselves caught up.

858
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Is they're running to the portal to try to make

859
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: that solve all its problems. You still have to coach

860
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: those kids, You still have to get down and you

861
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: have to trust your staff in who they're recruiting and

862
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: give it time. UM. We've seen so many UH stars

863
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: studded recruiting classes coming to college. But at this point

864
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: we've only seen one win a national title and that

865
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: was that Dude group back in fifteen. So at the

866
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: end of the day, again this is another narrative that's

867
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: being spewed, But what is the end result, Like, are

868
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: people winning national titles off the portal? Our teams constantly

869
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: going to the final four off the portal? I mean,

870
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I know Baylor had a couple of guys from the

871
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: auto and in um, not Jared Butler because he technically

872
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: didn't play elsewhere, but uh and Mitchell Mitchell with the transfer,

873
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: So that's one um, and I'm trying to then go

874
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: who else? I mean, I know, that's when that comes

875
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: to mind. I guess my my thing is it's like

876
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: the high profile nature of the guys that that made

877
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: a difference this year in the tournament. So we saw

878
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: it with Miami, we saw it with Kansas, we saw

879
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: it with North Carolina, right, I mean that one up,

880
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: so so we saw that. Sure, maybe not everybody's you know,

881
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: doing it, etcetera. But it it gives coaches and an

882
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: option an avenue to go and grab you know, a

883
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: pactory Player of the Year and you get to bring

884
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, scored almost two thousand career

885
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: points into your crew. You know, and this kid, you

886
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: know turned steps are big for you. You You don't win

887
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: the National Championship without him, period. I just I mean,

888
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: that's just I mean, And from my advantage, I don't

889
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: think they win it without him. I guess I'm talking

890
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: in terms of so like, if you're if you're a

891
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: college program with a lot of resources and you've got,

892
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, the ability to pick and choose in the portal,

893
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot different than being a college a lower

894
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: mid major that doesn't have a lot of resources that really,

895
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, this recruit, this kid in the portal means

896
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: everything to my program. I think there needs to be

897
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: a leveling in the portal of the playing field. Of

898
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: the playing field. Well, you and I had that conversation

899
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: before about recruiting and about the level length and how

900
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: unfair it is, and that is I think we both

901
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: agreed with the n C double A falls short because

902
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: you you have these rules that for a high level

903
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: it's nothing, but to a lower level it could be

904
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, it could be a little bit more strenuous.

905
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about the example you just gave. So

906
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: think about said university. Let's let's just use your beloved university, right,

907
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: Your beloved uni versity has all the resources in the world.

908
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you have all the resources

909
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: in the world to get not only the premier kids

910
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: out of high school. And then now you want to

911
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: run to the portal, Like how fair is that to

912
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: say at school like a St. Peter's who you know,

913
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: shout out to my brother and my family. Uh, all

914
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: the way in the job that he did, and now

915
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: he hasn't you know, he has a new address at

916
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: his university. But the marvelous job that he did at St. Peter's,

917
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: he didn't have a ton of portal kids. That that

918
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: was I think that was the purest job of coaching.

919
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: We saw. We saw the execution in which he performed

920
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: against the Kentucky's, against the Murray States, against the produce

921
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: like we saw him executing such a manner that like

922
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. And again I can

923
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: understand him going to the portal because what he doesn't

924
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: have the resources that your beloved university has to get

925
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: the best kids coming out of high school. So I

926
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: do and I agree with that that there needs to

927
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 1: be some type of structural system because to your point,

928
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: whether we talked before about recruiting or now even the portal,

929
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: the way that u C l A Kentucky Carolina can operate,

930
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: it's not the same as u C. Davis Hampton or St. Peter's.

931
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: It's just not fair. And that's and that's and that's

932
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: what I was trying to find out or just get

933
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: to the bottom of just the definition of the rules

934
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: associated with recruiting in the portal. You know, I wanted

935
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: to get insight on you know, do you know how

936
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: that works? Is is that you treated like a normal

937
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: transfer as far as contact or is it one of

938
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: those situations where it's like pretty wide open as soon

939
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: as it as soon as you jump in there, because

940
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: like that, that's crazy, that's crazy. That's that's crazy. Dog.

941
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: But here's the part that the n C double A

942
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: can't figure out. We will be lying or we will

943
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: be naive, that's about away. We will be naive to

944
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: think that these kids are not being tempered with though

945
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: easing is going on that if I know you use

946
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: you know the school that you were talking about, and

947
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: if you're at while you know, I'm at Washington State.

948
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: We missed out on you to come to Washington State,

949
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: and I'm watching your minute as a freshman, and after

950
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe five or six games, I got the dummy account.

951
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter hitting you, and I'm like your Chris Man.

952
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: You know you can come up with this right now,

953
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: exactly like yo, man, Listen, they're not playing you. You're watching.

954
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: When we play, you don't even play ten minutes. And

955
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: then when we play, y'all, you don't play ten minutes. Now,

956
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: I've planned to see that any little thing that that

957
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: staff at u c l A says to you or

958
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: does to you, you're looking at them with the side

959
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: and you're growing more angry. Meanwhile, me as the irresponsible adult,

960
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing something that I shouldn't be doing, just because

961
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take you away. Now, if I sit back,

962
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: don't say nothing to you, and then the moment you

963
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: hit the portal, I recruit you all over again. That's

964
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: one thing, But again we would all be naive to

965
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: think many of these kids are not being contacted the

966
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: moment people. You've got some kids that when they commit

967
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: to a school, the school never lets up. They're still

968
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: on the kid, they're on them, They're on because think

969
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: about it, Sometimes to these coaches credit they develop a

970
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: bond with a kid or family because they've been recruiting

971
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: them so long that they don't let go. They don't

972
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: let go, you know what I'm saying. So consequently, when

973
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: they end up ironically transferring to one of the schools

974
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: that was recruiting them prior to the u c L

975
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: A like that, that doesn't take rocket science to figure

976
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: out what what could have been going on. I'm not

977
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna say that happens all the time, but very well

978
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: it could have been going on the whole time. Does

979
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: anybody ever get knocked both for transfer for tampering? Has

980
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: anybody ever got knocked for tampering? There? There have been,

981
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: there have been some isolated cases. There have there have

982
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: been some situations, but not enough. I don't think enough. Yeah.

983
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: But but man, you talk about the dynamic and of recruiting,

984
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: of how the relationship between the assistant coach and that

985
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: family and that kid, the bond is developed, how genuine

986
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: their relationship is, because obviously the dude isn't letting go,

987
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: so he's gonna continue to work that relationship. Follow this

988
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: kid's progress on his in his season. Maybe it's a

989
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: rival in conference and when he's not balling dog, he's

990
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna hit him from the burger. I know. But that's facts,

991
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: and that is when release it. Think about it, How

992
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: do you police it? And who's gonna who's gonna tell

993
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: on you? You're not gonna tell on yourself. They're always

994
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: t yeah. No, the policing aspect, it always alarms me

995
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: when I read uh stuff on you know, in fractions,

996
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: cases and rules and I and I see people turning

997
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: over emails and text messages. I just I see that.

998
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: Like Memphis, they turned over a bunch of emails, but

999
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: they erased all the metadata in the email so you

1000
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: couldn't track it. No, but that's how Memphis gave him.

1001
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: How Memphis gave they gave it to him late, first

1002
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: of all, and then the emails had no man to data.

1003
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: But my question is the policing part. It's it's it

1004
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have any easy explanation. It's too crazy, it's too

1005
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: it's too wide of a scope to pinpoint. You know,

1006
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this guy, We're gonna get get that guy.

1007
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: It reminds me of when who said Jerry Tarkanian said,

1008
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: when the n C double A is mad at U

1009
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: C l A, they punished, you know, very state or

1010
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: I forgot what the what the line was, but it

1011
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: feels like it would just be that type of situation. Bro.

1012
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: But here's what I don't get. I remember this when

1013
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: I used to apply for my scouting service, and one

1014
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: of the rules, and this is an actual rule. So

1015
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: to everybody has a scouting service, if you're doing this,

1016
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: shame on you. Stopped doing this. Um, You're not supposed

1017
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: to contact schools on the phone. You're supposed to send

1018
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: your report. You as the scout. You okay, So if

1019
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: you have a scouting service, kJ live West Coast, you've

1020
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: seen your reports all out at one time. Cool you

1021
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: with everybody you b C C everyone. Cool. But if

1022
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: d Wayne Bruce I picks up the phone and you

1023
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: said later talk to you, you're not supposed to talk

1024
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: to him about a player. Well, the problem I have

1025
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: with the n C double A is how do you

1026
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: police that the Wayne is not gonna tell on themselves.

1027
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell on myself, so not for anohing.

1028
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I think this is where sometimes the n C double

1029
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: A A miss is you try to, you try to

1030
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: enforce things that you really can't. There you can't enforceable unenforceable,

1031
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: you can't. So it stings like that that makes no sense.

1032
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: But yet you have this on the books, and that

1033
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: just that's not thoroughly thought out. And it's just it's

1034
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: little things like that that those you and I both

1035
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: know the lifers in this industry. They know every loophole

1036
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: to recruiting, to how to getting around things, to telling

1037
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: somebody's dad, you know, be the AU coach. So now

1038
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I can contact you before June of your sophomore year

1039
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: if you're a star studded freshman. So that's another rule,

1040
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: like if your son and let's just shrink his eggs.

1041
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Let's say your son is one of the top freshman

1042
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: in southern California because you're his a you coach, I

1043
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: can now call you because you're his coach. But any

1044
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: other person I gotta wait because their mom and dad

1045
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: is not the coach. So it's just so many little

1046
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: just loop holes around so many of the actual rules.

1047
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: That's just it. It doesn't even make sense to have them.

1048
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: It really doesn't. Yeah, it's never really made since I

1049
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: remember when we won the National Championship, and Queen Latifa

1050
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: sent our entire team bottles of dom Perion, every single

1051
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: player on the roster. I'm nineteen, not supposed to be drinking,

1052
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: and it was a thing at school and inflat the

1053
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: department where they're like, first of all, they were nervous

1054
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: about violation. The second of all, they told us, hey,

1055
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys can have them, but don't

1056
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: tell anybody. But it So I tweeted about it probably

1057
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: about ten years ago, right, and I literally got hit

1058
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: up by U C l A asking me to delete

1059
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: my tweet about something that happened twenty years Cool, bro, bro.

1060
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: But so my point is, it's like the n C

1061
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: Double A is whack, but it's just the college. The

1062
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: whole college game is a trip. You know what I'm

1063
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: saying that it's a trip, And but you know, I

1064
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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have any hope it's gonna get

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Speaker 1: any better. Uh my man, we we don't spend about

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Speaker 1: an hour chopping it up dog with some real heavy

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Speaker 1: heavy stuff. Bro. Uh. I appreciate you coming through, man,

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Speaker 1: and I always love hearing your very mindful and thoughtful,

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Speaker 1: articulate insight on matters related to basketball. Dude, you're one

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Speaker 1: of the best dudes in doing that, and I love

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Speaker 1: having conversations with you for that reason, my man, Dane Irvin,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you for coming home. My man, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you whole heartedly. I can only before I go, I

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Speaker 1: just attributed to too many of the greats that I

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Speaker 1: came across in my own path, and not just on

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Speaker 1: the East Coast. Um, being a youngster coming to the

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Speaker 1: West Coast, Uh Izzy Washington's event at Slaming, knowing that

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Speaker 1: influence that that Izzy had on the West Coast, and

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Speaker 1: I sought to find out more stuff that he did

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Speaker 1: in the community. Um, people like Ice down in San Diego. Uh,

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Speaker 1: dudes like kool Aid, who's a fellow New York as well,

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Speaker 1: who who's been out on the West Coast as well,

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of great things. So and then even

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Speaker 1: my mentor and probably one of the greatest basketball influences

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Speaker 1: that I've had, um Vincent Smith, who's younger older brother,

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Speaker 1: Kenney Smith, and he's in California as well. If it

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Speaker 1: wasn't for gentleman like that and and the and the

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Speaker 1: blaze the trails that they blazed, Um, I I myself

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have venture down those those alleyways and down

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Speaker 1: those roads that they went to try to seek and

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Speaker 1: learn and have respect again for all coats and all

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Speaker 1: you know, backgrounds and and and choices of life that

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Speaker 1: people have had and and that's brought me to you,

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Speaker 1: That's brought me to these spaces and to reach what

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Speaker 1: I've reached. So I just want to conchieve to give

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Speaker 1: that back, um to anybody that reaches out, sit down

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Speaker 1: and break bread with understanding the scout space, Understanding dealing

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Speaker 1: with college coaches, understanding dealing with these kids, because I

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Speaker 1: think we don't get enough credit for that, um, including yourself,

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Speaker 1: of we understand kids. We we understand uh kid behavior.

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Speaker 1: So when we get those certain international prospects that they

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Speaker 1: try to tell us he's fourteen and we're like, now

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Speaker 1: he nineteen. Our expertise with kids that we understand kids.

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Speaker 1: So UM much love to what you're doing. Brother, Um.

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Speaker 1: I've always watched you from afar. I've always had a

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Speaker 1: respect for knowledge is you, but your entire family because

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Speaker 1: y'all are all doing great things. UM, with your dad,

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Speaker 1: with Milwaukee, with your brother and his sense of human

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Speaker 1: and his humor. There's not a day that if I'm

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Speaker 1: not feeling in myself that he does not have a gift,

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Speaker 1: a tweet or something that makes you laugh and sing,

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Speaker 1: and you know it's gonna be alright. Man, whatever you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do, it's gonna be all right. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: Josiah for sure. Um. But now that that's definitely what

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Speaker 1: it is, all right, my brother. I appreciate you, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Day Irvin, I'm man,