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Speaker 2: Episode four fifteen, George Burge. These are always interesting, And

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Speaker 2: We've been friends, he's come to my house for like

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Speaker 2: He's got a song right now called mind on You.

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Speaker 2: That's he tells us about to be Top twenty.

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Speaker 2: So you should not wait, ain't out. And it's me

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Speaker 2: It's the story of a guy who's starting to get

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Speaker 2: He you know, has written with Gary LeVaux and Matt

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Speaker 2: you too. So here he is. You can follow him

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Speaker 2: Man, thank you. But that's what we're well were you

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I was just gonna celebrate with you because

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Speaker 1: I saw it as a long road since the first

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Speaker 2: I took a picture and I just remember this and

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Speaker 2: a lot of freaking hard work, and it's hard work

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Speaker 1: it's a long one, man, And it's been every bit

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Speaker 1: Is this insane dichotomy of like when I started, everything

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Speaker 2: An interesting way to put it, because that's what it is,

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Speaker 1: and he agreed to cut one song on me. He

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00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 1: said I won't do a record, he said, I'll record

437
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 1: twenty one.

438
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 2: We skipped over a part here where you're still playing music.

439
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 2: So you're with this band through high school?

440
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

441
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,880
Speaker 2: When you graduate high school, does some of the band

442
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,120
Speaker 2: go off to college or do you all for stand? Yeah?

443
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: Everybody went off to college, and my live music career

444
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,640
Speaker 1: took a break for four years. I would still write

445
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: songs in my dorm room. You didn't play for years. No,

446
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 1: I didn't play for four years. I took it off

447
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: because I tried to play college golf.

448
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 2: I walked on home. You didn't play for a year.

449
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,439
Speaker 2: Did you think that was gone or did you think.

450
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 1: You were just one hundred percent thought it was gone.

451
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was like a fond memory of like

452
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 1: getting to play live shows, and what a cool opportunity

453
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: I had as a kid to do that live music

454
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 1: in Austin. But now I got to go to college.

455
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: I gotta get a job. I'm trying to make the

456
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: golf team like that was no longer younger. That was fun,

457
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: but not like a realistic career for me at that point.

458
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 2: What tell me about your parents?

459
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 1: They both immigrated to Texas when they were like in

460
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: their early twenties. From My mom's from Mozambique, which is

461
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: north of Africa or north of South Africa. My dad's

462
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: from Brazil.

463
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 2: What, yeah, how do I not know this?

464
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: Pretty wild?

465
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know you.

466
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: So they were both Portuguese speakers in Austin, Texas. My

467
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: dad learned to speak English watching John Wayne movies and

468
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: became a ranch hand ground. So if you hear my

469
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: dad talk. You would think he's the most redneck textan

470
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: you've ever met. He wears a cowboy hat, he's got

471
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 1: a big mustache like you would never in a million years,

472
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 1: and then he'll start speaking Portuguese and you'd be like,

473
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: what the hell you know? But that was unique for

474
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: me too, just like growing up in Austin and kind

475
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: of trying to find a sense of identity because like

476
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't really know a lot about music,

477
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: they didn't really know a lot about sports. They it

478
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: was like they were amazing supportive parents growing up in Austin,

479
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: but it was like I was on the forefront of

480
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 1: first kid in my family to go to college. You know,

481
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: like how they meet, they met, they both spoke Portuguese

482
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas, and their families became so.

483
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: They met in Austin.

484
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Yeah, so pretty wild.

485
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: And so you were the first kid to go to

486
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: college and family. Yeah, I guess also too. I'm just

487
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,239
Speaker 2: trying to let people see and know that it's you

488
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: didn't come from this wealth.

489
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: Well you know, I I never want to say like

490
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: I had like a hard childhood, Like I had amazing parents,

491
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: and like I was never worried about having a roof

492
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: over my head or being taken care of. But like

493
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't handed to me, you know, it was

494
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: I know.

495
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 2: Do you know what Portuguese I speak a little bit? Really?

496
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

497
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: You speaking French last week? I did on the air

498
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: last week, Bob, And that's really all I would say

499
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: is my name is Bobby.

500
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: My grandmother doesn't speak English. And so my four years

501
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: at Texas, I studied Portuguese in school, and then I

502
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: went and lived in Brazil for six months to.

503
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Try what is happening here. I don't even know this guy, man,

504
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: So you, like.

505
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: I said, I just I love to love to jump

506
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: into stuff.

507
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: Man. Do you know Spanish pretty well? Then?

508
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: Not as well as I know Portuguese.

509
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I found when I was in Italy a lot

510
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: of Italian is very Spanish based, And so there was

511
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: a lot of things that I had known because all

512
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: my friends in Texas were Mexican. Yeah, a couple of Hispanic.

513
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: All my Mexicans the same way, because he spent Portuguese.

514
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: All his friends of Mexican, and there's a difference in

515
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: Mexican and Hispanic.

516
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Mike, Yeah, yes, And so there's it being

517
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: from Mexico or your parents from Mexico, or just being Hispanic.

518
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: You know, four or five generations down who've been and

519
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: so all my I was the only white guy, and

520
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: so I don't know Spanish, but I can tell on

521
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: these idiots are talking about me. I had so I

522
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: had to learn what was being said all the time.

523
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: And then when we went to Italy, a lot of

524
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: their their language was based off of Spanish or you know,

525
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: the rooted in Spanish. Yeah, but is Portuguese the same way? Yeah?

526
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Portuguese is like drunk Spanish. Like if you're your buddy

527
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: that speaks Spanish, you know, had nine beers, That's what

528
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: Portuguese sounds like.

529
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: Wow, So in your house growing up as a kid,

530
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: how was their English at home? Do they speak English?

531
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: By the time I came around, their English was great.

532
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: You'd never know either of them weren't from Texas. They

533
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: sound like Texans now, but they both learned to speak

534
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: English in Texas.

535
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to college or studying Portuguese. You're not

536
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: playing music. You don't even think music's a thing. But

537
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: are you you say you're writing? Are you writing? Are

538
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: you writing like poetry? Are you writing a song me

539
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: and an acoustic.

540
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: Guitar, you know, and it was like, It's funny. I

541
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: think we all go through that like jam band college

542
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: phase like it where it wasn't like really in a

543
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: genre and it's more stream of consciousness and it's not

544
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: like a structured song like it is now in Nashville

545
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: with verse, chorus, bridge and stuff. It was more just

546
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: like like you said, like a like a creative outlet,

547
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: like poetry, country poetry, you know.

548
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: What you play for girls and stuff.

549
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed to say this, but yeah, my first

550
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: date with my wife, I pulled the guitar out and

551
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I covered some jobs. I'm not proud of it, but

552
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: she's got a ring on her finger now and we

553
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: got two kids together, so it works.

554
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: So you say, John Mary play John Mayer. What song

555
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: did you play?

556
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: I played Comfortable Security, Yeah, Security.

557
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: Man, comfortable jam one of my favorite yeah, from Inside

558
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: Once Out the ep No Holy Wait a Minute. Comfortable

559
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: It is a six song EP. And you know who's

560
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: a big part of that was one of the guys

561
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: from Zach Brown band, Clay Oh. Yeah, because he was

562
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: part of John Mayer Just Do It All.

563
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: Zach Brown band is talent level?

564
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: Will you look up the John Mayer EP? What it?

565
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: What is it is that? It?

566
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: Look at you?

567
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, dah look at me. After I said it,

568
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no way that can be right,

569
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: because it's a great call that. I listened to that thing.

570
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean I burned the CD up. Yeah, they had Comfortable.

571
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: It had a couple of songs, ended up making for

572
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: his first big record, and he would never play Comfortable

573
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: in concert, and then finally he started playing a little bit.

574
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: It's just a songwriting clinic, man, He's he's otherworldly talented

575
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: and easy, that unique combination of like insane instrumentalists but

576
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: also insane vocalists and lyricists, like it's yeah, I.

577
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: Sleep with a new girl. I'm still getting used to Yeah.

578
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no

579
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: no man, it's been I haven't haven't thought about that

580
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: song in so long. I love was cove, I love

581
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: was so mm help me out here, do you know

582
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: what's stilln know what?

583
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: I still remember?

584
00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: Talment demarket. Yeah, he walked up beside me, big car.

585
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: That's it. That's always good man. I'm in love with you, right,

586
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: now more and more in love.

587
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and

588
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

589
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: You're playing golf in college and then but when when

590
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: does music become an actual I don't hate these were tangible,

591
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: but it starts to be a tangible thing again that

592
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: you can actually do.

593
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: It was the biggest supprise. Nobody was more surprised than

594
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: me that that I got to play music for a living. So, uh,

595
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: finished college, got my degree, I went and got a

596
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: job in Austin. They this company that hires a bunch

597
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: of young kids fresh out of college to do you know,

598
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: busy work, live downtown. It's awesome. And that was a

599
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: cool culture because it was a bunch of people that

600
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: were moving new to Austin. And I was the guy

601
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: from Austin. So I was, you know, getting into all

602
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: these people and taking them out and showing in the city.

603
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: And I met a guy that played guitar, and uh,

604
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, same thing. I was like, well, we should,

605
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, start jamming. And so once a week he'd

606
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: come over to the house and we kind of jammed together,

607
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: play mostly cover songs right a little bit, and then

608
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of the guys that worked with us.

609
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: His brother had just bought the Lucky Lounge downtown Austin

610
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: and redid it and they were having an open mic.

611
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: And I went and did the open mic at Lucky Lounge,

612
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: and our whole office came, which was like, oh you

613
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: played it, why, which was like two hundred and fifty

614
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: people because he was they knew that I played guitar,

615
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: and they're like, just hop up and play two songs.

616
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: So they kind of pressured you tobe yeah, and it

617
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: was I mean I was in like khakis and a

618
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: button down shirt. It would like, you know, not so okay.

619
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: So you didn't plany this that way way ahead of time.

620
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: No, it was like popped up on stage that night.

621
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So wait, so when do you hear about the

622
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: open mic night? That day?

623
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: They were like, Hey, our buddy's brother just opened the

624
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Lucky Lounge. She's gonna have an open night mic night,

625
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: so you we're all going to go down there. Will

626
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: you pop and play one?

627
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: So?

628
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: And you said I said yes, yeah, I said, you know,

629
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed playing like it's something that I've always loved.

630
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: And so I popped up and I played two songs. Security, gosh,

631
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember security.

632
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: I hope it security.

633
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: It was probably security. But then it was you know,

634
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: people were like, we should start doing shows, and you

635
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of the people I was working with

636
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: were encouraging me to, which was cool, and so a

637
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: few of us from the office started this band. We

638
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: started playing, and it was we'd play Friday or Saturday

639
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: nights at the Rattle Inn in Austin, and that was it.

640
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: How'd you get the gig? Cold called him and said,

641
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: we'd like to play.

642
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: What does that pay?

643
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Zero dollars tips tip jar. Yeah, And by the end

644
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: of it, they were paying us because we were starting

645
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: to draw a crowd. But then it became a thing.

646
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Every Friday night we were playing the Rattle in and

647
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: it was sold out. It wasn't a big room, it

648
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: was three or four hundred people, but it was kind

649
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: of a cool factor of like, hey, we're selling out

650
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: this club every time we play it.

651
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: What was the sound at the time. Were guys doing

652
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: COVI country?

653
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it was country and it was covers, but

654
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: it was like fifty percent originals.

655
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

656
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I had a steel guitar player, had a fiddle player.

657
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: The name of the band.

658
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: It was called Waterloo Revival. Yeah, that's the first version

659
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: of that as the first version of Waterloo Revival. Yeah.

660
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: And the cool part was we all played for free

661
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: and then we split the tips at the end of

662
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: the night and we started ended up getting to take

663
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: a cut of the door and it got bigger and bigger,

664
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: and then local radio station kind of caught on and

665
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: invited us to play blues on.

666
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: The Green kgsr uh huh.

667
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: And so we went out there and played that had

668
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: a huge crowd, and I didn't know at the time,

669
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: but a big label executive and a big manager flew

670
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: in to see us play and ended up pulling us

671
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: aside after the show and asked me if I wanted

672
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: to fly up to Nashville to meet them. And this

673
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: is all coming at me like a million miles an hour,

674
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: because I've never, you know, had any contact with a

675
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: record label in my entire life.

676
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: How they watch your show or were they there to

677
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: watch somebody else and then see you.

678
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: So the guy that owned the radio station sent them

679
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: my music, wow yeah, which was really cool. Bob Bob

680
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Sinclair Yeah, wow yeah yeah. Sent my music to Scott

681
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Boarshetta and TK Camberrell.

682
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, it all makes sense now when

683
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: I start to lay it all down in my head. Yep,

684
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: that's how I know. I mean, I know Bob too. Yeah.

685
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: So I gave Bob a burn CD with the one

686
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: song that the producer agreed to cut on me in Austin.

687
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: He was like, I'll do one song. I won't do

688
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: a full record, And I will say that he put

689
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: everything into it and it was the best sounding song

690
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: I had at the time. But I had one song

691
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: on a burn CD and I gave it to Bob

692
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: and he mailed it to Nashville. Yeah, it's crazy.

693
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

694
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: So when you talk about like less than one percent

695
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: chance of any of this stuff happening and the stars

696
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: aligning like they did, I just like, I never in

697
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: a million years thought that I could play music professionally.

698
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: I did it because I loved it and it was fun.

699
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: But then people are talking about record deals and you

700
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: need to get a lawyer and do you have a

701
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: publishing deal and you know royalties and I have no

702
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: idea about any of this stuff.

703
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: Who were they looking at though you obviously were they

704
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: trying to go? Okay, Zach attack, we just want Zach

705
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Morris or were they going we want the whole Waterloo Revival.

706
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: They came to me independently. And then I had a

707
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: very close friend that I wrote a lot of my

708
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: songs with Cody Cooper, who was the part of Waterloo Revival.

709
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: With me, we were a duo, and I asked if

710
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: we could come to Nashville as a duo, and they

711
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: were on board for it, and so that's what we did.

712
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: We signed as a duo to Nashville. That's crazy, yeah,

713
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: And that's about where I started to know you guys

714
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: a little bit because Eddie and I we consider ourselves

715
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: from Austin, even though Eddie's from different park textas enough Markansas.

716
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: We are very much Austinites, like in our blood. And

717
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: then you guys will come and we like you guys,

718
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: and we'd be like, oh, yeah, they're from Austin. But

719
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: I knew you guys had a relationship with Bob. Yeah,

720
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: but I didn't know that's where all that.

721
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: That's that is wild, which is crazy because he didn't

722
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: even own a country station in Austin, and Bob Sinclair,

723
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, owns stations all over America. You know, big

724
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: powerful radio guy, and uh, you know I never burned CD.

725
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: He called me back the next day. He said, I've

726
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: never called back anyone that's given me a demo before,

727
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: but I think you might have something. And just from

728
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: that phone call, I was like, I've made it, like

729
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: we've done it, like we've taken over the world. I'll

730
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: never forget. We were opening for Reckless Kelly the next

731
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: week in Austin, and I called my wife after I

732
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: got the call inviting me to open for Reckless Kelly,

733
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: And at that moment in time, I was like, we

734
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: are famous. We are opening for Reckless Kelly, and this

735
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: is like our lives have changed. Little did I know?

736
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: You know?

737
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: What?

738
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: What what the what?

739
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: The real path looks like.

740
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: That's so cool. That's such a good version of that

741
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: story that I mean that version. I didn't. I didn't

742
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: know that. So wait till Eddie finds out your parents

743
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: were Portuguese? Does he know this? These people don't know

744
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Eddie and I thought we knew George. We don't know.

745
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: We didn't know George, Like we have hung out with

746
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: George a lot, like like we are like friend friends,

747
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: but I guess we're not.

748
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: That's what the Bobby cast does a deep dive.

749
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have to move to Nashville. So you

750
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: and Cody are gonna move to Nashville. You're going to

751
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: keep the name. Do you guys move up? Are your

752
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: roommates here together? Yeah?

753
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: So we lived together for all married. I was married. Yeah,

754
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Cody was dating his now wife.

755
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: What did all four of you guys live together?

756
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Just Cody lived with me and my wife and then

757
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: once he put a ring on it his girlfriend then

758
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: fiance moved out.

759
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: Good Wiches.

760
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the right call, right, and was.

761
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: That it was because you are on a with t

762
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: K who I know from Toby. Yeah, at Toby Keith's

763
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: record label. That wasn't a major label.

764
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: So I signed with Big Machine Records. I was there

765
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: for a year and had a great experience. But at

766
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: the same time they signed me, they were going through

767
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: a process where they were signing a lot of veteran

768
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: superstars and new acts. So on my imprint, they had

769
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: just signed Tim McGraw, Rascal Flats, Jennifer Nettles, Me, the

770
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: Cadillac Three, and Daniel Bradbury and on that pecking order,

771
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: we were the bottom, right and so very kindly actually,

772
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: after the first year because when you I don't know

773
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: how well people know this, but like when you sign

774
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: a record deal, like they own your life for five years,

775
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: like you're you're there, whether they want to do something

776
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: with you or making you can go to jail for

777
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: five years and your music career's over. And and one

778
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: of the more generous things that anyone's ever done for

779
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: me in Nashville, Scott Woorshetdow came to me and he's like, hey, man,

780
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: like we just don't have the manpower for this right now,

781
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: but I don't want to hold you guys hostage. We'll

782
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: let you go. And he let me go Scott free

783
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: after a year, which was amazing. And uh, that's when

784
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: I ended up signing with Toby Keith and t K

785
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: and did. I did about five years with Toby Keith,

786
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: went on tour with him, learned how to write songs

787
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: from him, got to be, you know, pretty close with Toby.

788
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: And when you talk about that's when he was killing, killing,

789
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: selling twenty thirty thousand tickets a night. And we're getting

790
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: to get in front of those crowds and you know,

791
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: and that's a whole different thing because we're coming from

792
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: Austin Texas, where we're used to playing and feeling like

793
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: a big sold out show is three or four hundred people.

794
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: And ye, you get put out there in front of

795
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: Toby and it's like, hey, good luck, here's a catwalk,

796
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: here's a stage that you've never seen before, and here's

797
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: thirty thousand people that the ones in the back can't

798
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: see your face. Figure out how to entertain them.

799
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: And they don't even want to see you. Yeah, exactly when.

800
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: You walk on stage, they have their arms and they

801
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: want to hate you before the downbeat. And let me

802
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: tell you that was the best education I could ever

803
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: gotten in the music business. How So, because the first

804
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: ten shows bombed, I mean, fall on your face, nobody's clapping,

805
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: nobody cares. But you figure it out. You figure out

806
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: how to you go out there with no expectation. You know, Toby,

807
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: when he walks out on stage, if he stomps his

808
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: boot once, thirty thousand people are going to scream at

809
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: the top of their lungs. I haven't earned that right yet.

810
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: So how do I go out there and set them

811
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: on fire and change their predetermined attitude of This opener

812
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: is not going to be worth a lick, you know,

813
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: and so you have to come out with energy, and

814
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: you have to program the set where there's no dead spots,

815
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: and you have to mix in some originals with some

816
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: covers that they might have heard before to make sure

817
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: you're getting their attention. And I don't have two hundred

818
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to have a pyro show before

819
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: behind me or an led wall or smoke. So it's like,

820
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: how are you going out on the Catwalker? Is there

821
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: like arranged moments where you and your band are pushing forward,

822
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: but like you figure out how to put on a show,

823
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: because this is not standing behind a microphone for an

824
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: hour and a half in a bar anymore. And that

825
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: was a major wake up call for me that you

826
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: learned in a pretty terrifying way.

827
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: So you, guys, again at this point, your Waterly Revival

828
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: and we know you from that was it? Did you

829
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: ever have a point where you're like, I think we're

830
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: gonna make it as a duo? And then did you

831
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: have that point where you're like, I just don't think

832
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna make it as a duo? Like both of those?

833
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I came to Nashville. When you sign a

834
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: record deal with a label like Big Machine, and you

835
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: see the other acts on the label, right, So I'm

836
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: coming to town and I'm like, oh, they got Taylor

837
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Swift and Florida Georgia Lyon and Thomas Ritt, and you know,

838
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: our tickets punched, like this is it. You don't realize

839
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: that the success rate on a new signed act is

840
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: probably less than ten percent. I would say significantly less

841
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: than ten percent. And you know, you've got friends calling

842
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: you from high school like, holy crap, you made it?

843
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Can I borrow money? Like, and you haven't made a

844
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: dime yet. You know, you're just in town and you've

845
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: got this team working behind you, but you don't. At

846
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: the time, I'm like, we've signed here.

847
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: This is it.

848
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: They're going to do for me, just what they've done

849
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: for everybody else. And then you quickly realize that, you know,

850
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: you go visit all these radio stations and you know

851
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: you're playing for a programmer in a conference room that's

852
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: got his arms crossed, and same with the other folks.

853
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's looking for a reason not to play

854
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: your song, like you have to change their mind on

855
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: why they should. And it was a pretty quick wake

856
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: up call for me that I had no idea what

857
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I was doing, and so then you you kind of

858
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: dig in and you start trying to get better on

859
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: the songwriting and on the performing side and on the

860
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: relationship side, and it I think I was naively optimistic

861
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: for my first four months in town and then it

862
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: felt like, hey, this is a long, long shot.

863
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: You learned, yeah, yeah, jumped into it.

864
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have it.

865
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. What was the most success you guys had is

866
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: to do what song?

867
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Probably hit the road, our one that brought us to town.

868
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I think it was a top I think it landed

869
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: at maybe forty four on the chart. We were close,

870
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: and we had a little bit of a cult following.

871
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: We you know, we did pretty well on ticket sales nationally,

872
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: and we had some I had a song called meet

873
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: Up in the Middle that was on the season finale,

874
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: the TV show in Nashville. That was a pretty big

875
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: deal for me when that was popping off. So you wrote, yeah,

876
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: I wrote that, And then had a song called a

877
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: Backwood Bump that was the national song for college football

878
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: for ESPN for the year. So like, we had some

879
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: stuff that was like popped off pretty good, but we

880
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: never like made it made it. Most people didn't know

881
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: our name like it was never it never felt like

882
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: we're set, and I chased that from twenty fourteen to

883
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: twenty No. Twenty twelve. We started it. Twenty fourteen is

884
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: when I moved here, and twenty twenty is when I

885
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: finally was like, I've given this everything I have emotionally, financially,

886
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: like there's no other angle that I can think of here.

887
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: And that's when I ended up asking out of my

888
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: record deal. Was in twenty twenty.

889
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: With the idea of I'm just gonna go be solo,

890
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: or with the idea of I just want to figure

891
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: out what I even am.

892
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: I had had some success songwriting, very mild success, but

893
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: I knew that that was a passion of mine and

894
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: something that I had a little bit of talent at.

895
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: And so I just decided I was going to go

896
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: get a publishing deal, which is when they pay you

897
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: to write songs, and it's gonna be a songwriter.

898
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Somebody just ring a doorbell? Is that at this house?

899
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: Is there? So if somebody rings the front doorbell, it

900
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: rings there. Let me see what's going on here? Really well,

901
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going I'm listening to

902
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: Georgia's story, and then I think George is something set

903
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: up like a big balloon bouquet for our top twenty song.

904
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: The firemen are here.

905
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: Yes, let me go to security. Let's see doorbell camera.

906
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: It could be. I mean, there's no reason for Amazon

907
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: to ring a doorbell though, And they do that craft sometimes,

908
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: like at like eleven PM, and I'm like, did you

909
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: just drop package off?

910
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: It's eleven pm, you know you draw?

911
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it is coming to rob my house.

912
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: All right. I don't know who that is, but uh,

913
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: they have a mask on and there they have they're

914
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: waving around a guy. It looks like, yeah, it's all good.

915
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: My wife will handle that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

916
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: just let him in. But buzz them on in, Mike.

917
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. M This is

918
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: the Bobby Cast.

919
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: To go from being in a duo to just just

920
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: but it's a different total route when you're gonna get

921
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: a publishing deal and write songs and your livelihood depends

922
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: on if you're getting cuts. Yeah, and what's that conversation

923
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: like with your wife because you're gonna it's financially, I

924
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: don't know if you're if you're not making money doing both.

925
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: It's not a big change, but you're at least you're

926
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: going in a differ direction.

927
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Now, absolutely, And like she there's no chance I could

928
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: have done any of this without her because she believed

929
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: in me when I didn't believe in myself. I mean,

930
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: when I asked out of that deal, I was also like,

931
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: am I gonna go get my real estate license?

932
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: Like?

933
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: Am I gonna am I starting over? Like is this

934
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: the end of music for me? And she was the

935
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: one that talked me into continuing to write songs, continuing

936
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: to chase it for a little bit and kind of

937
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: just give it one more breath. And so I started

938
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: writing songs, I put some stuff on social media. I

939
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: pretty quickly got approached for a publishing deal. And that's

940
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: like it's not a huge salary, but at least I'm

941
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna have a check coming in every month. Yes, I

942
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: know that I can keep my lights on, you know.

943
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, like I'm a new dad

944
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: at this point, right, so it's not just me and

945
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: my wife that I'm taking care of. And so there's

946
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: like definitely an added pressure to that. And like that

947
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: was a massive It wasn't a huge check. But it

948
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: was a massive weight off my shoulders to know that,

949
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: like I can keep the lights on, food on the table.

950
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Like that's a start. And so I started turning in

951
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: some songs to the publishing company that I had written

952
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: some stuff that I was excited about, and they're starting

953
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: to pitch stuff. And pretty quickly a month into me

954
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: turning in songs, they're calling me and like, hey, like,

955
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: you should consider putting some stuff out yourself. I think

956
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: there's something.

957
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: Are you cutting the demos yourself?

958
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm singing the demos? Yeah. And so it took

959
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I just had a like we talked about like I

960
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: had a little bit of scar tissue of like chasing

961
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and chasing and chasing and chasing and just it not happening.

962
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't sure that that was something that

963
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to do again, especially like with my young

964
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: family at home and like, you know, just kind of

965
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: starting this new journey. But they talked me into putting

966
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: some original music on social media and kind of chasing

967
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: that a little bit, and there had become such a

968
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: buzz that all of a sudden we had started to

969
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: get a lot of label attention, and finally it was like,

970
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go take some meetings. And so I

971
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: took meetings with basically everybody in town, and you know,

972
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: the first question I would always ask is how many

973
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: artists do you have in development? And at most major

974
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: labels they would tell you they got fifteen to twenty

975
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: artists in development at a time. And that was from

976
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: my earlier experience in town. Was a huge red flag

977
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: to me of like, Okay, I'm going to commit here

978
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: for five years and it's between me and twenty other

979
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: artists that you're throwing against the wall to see what sticks.

980
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: That sounds to me like another nightmare, Like I don't

981
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: want to do that, right, And so I ended up

982
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: getting introduced to this new label, which is under the

983
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: Sony umbrella, but as a boutique, smaller label called Records,

984
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: and it was run by a guy named Barry Wisse,

985
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: who's a huge music industry veteran, had broken a million

986
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: bands that are household names. And I go to take

987
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: this meeting and it was just like everything was different.

988
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: He was like, what kind of artists do you want

989
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: to be in ten years? Who do you want to

990
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: tour with? What kind of album do you want to make?

991
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: And who do you want to produce it? Like when

992
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: you look up in five years, what would make you

993
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: proud as an artist? Like all the things that you

994
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: want to hear when you're trying to build something with

995
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: like some longevity that is true to who you are

996
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: and not just a you know, see if it sticks

997
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so they were the first people

998
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: to really get me excited. And another thing I really

999
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: struggled with when I moved to town is you go

1000
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: sign a record deal or you go into one of

1001
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: these offices and they all have a vision of who

1002
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: you are before you open your mouth. So it's like

1003
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: they know what they want you.

1004
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: To look like.

1005
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: They knowed, yeah exactly. They know the hole that you're

1006
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna feel for them, and they're going to put you

1007
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: in that mold. And when I first got to town,

1008
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I was felt so lucky to be there that I

1009
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: couldn't say no. You know, I'm like, well, this guy

1010
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: wants to invest a million dollars in break in my band,

1011
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: and if he wants me to spike my hair and

1012
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: wear skinny jeans and a leather jacket, I'm gonna do it,

1013
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: you know. And looking back now, I'm like, you're such

1014
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: an idiot, like that was not you, and that was

1015
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: not your sound, and why are you doing that? And

1016
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: so this was the first time I was brave enough

1017
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: to say no to everybody that wanted to put me

1018
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: in that position. And this was the first label that

1019
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: was like, we just want to give you the resources

1020
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: to be exactly who you are and the artist you are.

1021
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: And I will say, like, probably the thing I'm most

1022
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: proud of in my life, behind my wife and my kids,

1023
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: is the fact that, like I bet on that and

1024
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: in the last eighteen months, my solo career is twenty

1025
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: times bigger than anything I've ever done in my life,

1026
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: doing it true to myself, making music that I wrote

1027
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: that I'm proud of and not compromising on that stuff.

1028
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Is that another conversation with your wife? Okay, well, now

1029
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back.

1030
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: And do absolutely before absolutely, I will say that for

1031
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: the first time, and it wasn't like a light the

1032
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: world on fire check, but like for the first time

1033
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: in Nashville, like I got paid, like I signed a

1034
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: record deal and I got a signing bonus, and it

1035
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: was like had a comment in it, like it was

1036
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: it was a start, you know, And so it was

1037
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: the first time She's like okay, like there's something here,

1038
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: and she always believed in it. I think it was

1039
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: me that didn't believe that there was a way to

1040
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: like be successful and make money and like have longevity

1041
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: doing this and until like I saw that hit my

1042
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: checking account, like I didn't believe it was coming, and

1043
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: then you see it happen, and like I said, it

1044
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: wasn't like I could go buy a new house check,

1045
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: but it was a take a breath, like this happened.

1046
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: Did you have any success when you were just in

1047
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: the songwriting world? Do you get any cuts? I did.

1048
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the guys that believed in me early

1049
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: on was Clay Walker, and he was a big part

1050
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: of me getting the publishing deal coming out of coming

1051
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: out of my record deal. We wrote a couple songs

1052
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: together and he singled two of them, need a Bar

1053
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: Sometimes and catching Up with an Old Memory, and both

1054
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: of those were his first two top forties and almost

1055
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: ten years. So that kind of put him back on

1056
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: the map and gave me a little steam as a

1057
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: songwriter and a little feather in my cap. So that

1058
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: was that was kind of like my first little bit

1059
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: of success as a songwriter.

1060
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: What was the deal with when beer Beer Truck Truck happened,

1061
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: because were you already signed to a label deal or

1062
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: were you just writing at the time.

1063
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I was just writing at the time. You just had

1064
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: the publishing deal. And I was actually with Clay at

1065
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: his house in Galveston writing for his record, and I

1066
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: had told him that I was done with music. I

1067
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: told him I'm just going to be a songwriter. And

1068
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: he was the one that convinced me to put my

1069
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: songs on TikTok.

1070
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: Actually, which Islaywalk the TikTok much older, you know, he

1071
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: and he is all over TikTok yep. I don't know

1072
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: if he slowed down a little bit after the whole

1073
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: bus thing, but.

1074
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: He was that was all over TikTok ride.

1075
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good. I mean, what are Clay Walker

1076
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: is like, hey man, hey kid, you need to get

1077
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: on Teketok.

1078
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: And I was so anti TikTok just because I thought

1079
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, just dances and pranks and stuff,

1080
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: and not not that there's anything wrong with it, just

1081
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 1: not anything that I saw myself doing. And so he

1082
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: kind of basically the way that he put it, He's like,

1083
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: you can go get in a vanaged trailer for three

1084
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: years and not get in front of two million people,

1085
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: or you can post something captivating and get in front

1086
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: of two million people in twenty four hours.

1087
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: So progressive for an older guy.

1088
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean truly. I mean we laugh at it,

1089
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: but it is really smart.

1090
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: It's probably it's Clay sixty fifty five problem up there

1091
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: near that. Yeah. For that to be happening, Yeah, for

1092
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: him to tell you that, I mean, that's soggressive of

1093
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: him to be able.

1094
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: To crazy to see that.

1095
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: Then.

1096
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I downloaded the app and that that's

1097
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: where beer Beer Truck Truck came from. And for people

1098
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: that aren't familiar with the.

1099
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: Story, so clever, don't wash over. I know you and

1100
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 2: you would. We had this talk privately where I'm like, dude,

1101
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: you have to be proud of that, but I do

1102
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: get that. I see Eddie walking in, you can just

1103
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: let him in this door. You do have you have to.

1104
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: It's very clever. I'm going to tell the version of

1105
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: it that I think this girl gets on and she's like,

1106
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: all I ever think country songs are beer beer truck

1107
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: trug beer. Yeah, and you take that and you flip

1108
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: that around and you're like, every country song's not beer

1109
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: beer truck truck and tied, and it goes viral.

1110
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was my defense of country music.

1111
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: And I do struggle to like plant my flag on it,

1112
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: just because I have worked my whole life to like

1113
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: be able to write a song and like, you know,

1114
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: have that validation and you can't control what like blows

1115
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: up for you. And I will say, like I tried

1116
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: to do it as artistically as I could. I did

1117
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: it defensive counry music.

1118
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1119
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: She said, country music ain't nothing but beer, beer truck,

1120
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: truck and girls and tight jeans. And my flip on

1121
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: it was, it's not all that right, And I tried

1122
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: to make it this love story of a guy that's

1123
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: like out in the country and being judge and everybody

1124
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: thinks he lives slow and this is all he does,

1125
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: but like he's also a safety net for this girl

1126
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: that like anytime she wants to come back, like that's

1127
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna be here for And it's not just beer beer

1128
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: truck truck. And it's unfair relationship with the song thank

1129
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: you man, thank you for you do. I tell you

1130
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: this every three months or so, where you're like, oh man,

1131
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: that song because you got to see how that sausage

1132
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: was made, and because of other ways you've seen that

1133
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: sausage made you feel a certain way about that song

1134
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: that it's not as legitimate as it's such a clever song.

1135
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: You sing it wonderfully, the production it's and when you

1136
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: break it down and you play it just acoustic because

1137
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: we did some shows together. It's such a good freaking song,

1138
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: but you don't have that relationship with it because of.

1139
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: Your life that you've spent with it. One percent.

1140
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: It's an insecurity for me. And it's because like when

1141
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: I laid at night and like I want like.

1142
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Me being here about my huge winer. You'd be like,

1143
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: don't be insecure about that.

1144
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: It's your cross to be yes, but and I.

1145
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Would be like, I don't know, I'm so embarrassed. But

1146
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 2: that's the same thing.

1147
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's Uh. I'm unbelievably thankful for the song,

1148
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: for the doors that it opened for me, for the

1149
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: life that it's given me, touring wise, record label wise,

1150
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: I've gotten to go in and cut an album because

1151
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: of this song. Like I'm in a great place and

1152
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: my wife gets to stay at home with her kids,

1153
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: now and like and life is is really good and

1154
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: it and it all started from that song blowing up.

1155
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: So I'm unbelievably thankful for it. But I think my

1156
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: biggest nightmare is in five years if somebody brings up

1157
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: George Burge and somebody else says.

1158
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 2: Oh the beer beer truck truck guy, Is that better

1159
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: than George birds who.

1160
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes it is. Yeah, and it's also a gateway

1161
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: for people to listen to the rest of my league.

1162
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, you got to stop being embarrassed this song. It's

1163
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: also a good song. Yeah, but again, you've just associated

1164
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: it with your life and what's happened with TikTok on

1165
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: it and it being in the video she made, which

1166
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: she was hilarious, And yeah, you also made her a

1167
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: songwriter on it, which I.

1168
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: Will say that was the most fulfilling part of the song.

1169
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: I wrote it as a tongue in cheek rebuttal to

1170
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: this girl making fun of country music, and I DMed

1171
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: her the day I wrote it, and I was like, Hey,

1172
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: I did this. I hope you're cool with it. If

1173
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: you want, I'd love to make you a songwriter on it,

1174
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: because I think I'm gonna put it out she's a

1175
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: school teacher. She's a music school teacher, elementary school teacher

1176
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. And she ended up being

1177
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: super cool and saying that she grew up listening to

1178
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: country and gotten away from it. But it was like

1179
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: so thankful for the opportunity and thankful to be on

1180
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: it as a songwriter. And so it's just me and

1181
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: me and her are songwriters on on the song and

1182
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: she gets to check every quarter from it. So that's

1183
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: pretty special to ear of it.

1184
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: If you didn't tell people that story, if you just

1185
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: played that song and you told none of that story

1186
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: about TikTok, about her about and you just said, I

1187
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: just have this song called beer Beer Truck Truck, people

1188
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: got to that's a good song.

1189
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Thank you man.

1190
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: So still being a wim fair, embrace the fact that

1191
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: it's a pretty but it's not that would be like

1192
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Georgia song sucks, but I would I wouldn't be fighting

1193
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: for the opposite. Yeah, I've fought this fight for I

1194
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: don't know a year now with you where I'm like,

1195
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: stop being a barrass of the song man.

1196
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate you more than you know for that too,

1197
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: because I do need to hear that. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1198
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: So let's take a quick pause for a message from

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00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: our sponsor.

1200
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Bobby cast Let's smash cut.

1201
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: We're laying in bed together right now.

1202
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: Cigarette.

1203
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: So I'm on Instagram one night. Obviously I knew you're

1204
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: from Waterloo Revival and you were like the Austin guys

1205
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: that Eddie and I knew and liked and yeah, but

1206
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: you were playing a Gary Allen song. I didn't know

1207
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: know you then. We'd never hung out other than like

1208
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: industry stuff, and we'd say, hioh, how's Austin Remember that street?

1209
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: You know that kind of stuff? And you were playing

1210
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: what Gary Allen song are you playing? Uh?

1211
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: It would be you.

1212
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know why because I don't really watch

1213
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: a lot of music on Instagram. And I remember sending

1214
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: you a message and the message was something like, hey man,

1215
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: it's really good you come play it on the show

1216
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, and you were like cool And

1217
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: so you came up and you played and you did

1218
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: that and you did mind on you. Yeah, I got

1219
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: my money. You've heard of mind on you beer beer

1220
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: truck truck and it crushed mine on you crushed and

1221
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: this is forever ago. Now at this point, it feels

1222
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: like and I don't even know what happened after that,

1223
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: but all I know is it was like my friend

1224
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: George was gone because he was now promoting.

1225
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell you what happened after that,

1226
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: because I remember all this like it was yesterday, because

1227
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: it literally changed my life. I was sitting on the

1228
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: couch with my wife watching TV. I had posted that

1229
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: cover of Gary Allen, and you know, like anybody else,

1230
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and refreshing it, seeing if anybody liked

1231
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: it or if it's going to do any good. And

1232
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I see you comment and this is exactly what you said. Hey,

1233
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: this is really good. You should come on the show.

1234
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: And I like double take tap my wife pause the show.

1235
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crap, Like Bobby Bonace just asked me

1236
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: to come on a show because obviously, growing up in Austin,

1237
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: I've listened to you forever and then we got to

1238
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: know each other in Nashville. But I had never been

1239
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: on the show, and it's a rite of passage in

1240
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: this town. And to get that invite, I was over

1241
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: the moon. And I was so damn nervous that morning

1242
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: to come on the show. And so we get in

1243
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: there and play beer Beer Truck Truck on my legs

1244
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: going like this while I'm playing, you know, I'm trying

1245
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to keep it all together and I'm hoping that I'm

1246
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: going to get to play mind on You. But this

1247
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: is not a single yet. I've just released it, like

1248
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how much time or what I'm going

1249
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: to be asked to do. And you were like, hey man,

1250
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: you want to play one more? And in my mind,

1251
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it, Like this is your chance,

1252
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Like come on, So I take a deep breath, I

1253
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: play Mind on You, and you guys are amazing. Y'all

1254
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: hyped it up. Your listeners dug into it, it it

1255
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: up on my end, and all of a sudden, we

1256
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: start seeing like all this streaming and all this interaction,

1257
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: and my socials go insane, and the label's like, hey,

1258
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: I think we've got something here, and so they all

1259
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: scramble to make that song a single. Mind on You.

1260
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: We go to country radio. A month and a half later,

1261
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm a brand new artist on a startup label with

1262
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: my only other song out as Beer Beer Truck Truck,

1263
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: and it was the most added song in America at

1264
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: country radio.

1265
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy.

1266
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: It's insane, man.

1267
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like you were playing a radio music festival

1268
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: and there's a random person in the crowd who flew

1269
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: in because a random person sit them a one song CD.

1270
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: That's everything that's ever happened in my life so far

1271
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: to get to hear, Like the odds of it are.

1272
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: When I look back, I'm like, how did you ever

1273
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: bet on that? Or how did you ever think that

1274
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: was going to work? Or how did you blindly believe

1275
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: and bring your wife and your kids along for all

1276
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: of this? Like I almost get embarrassed looking at it

1277
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: that this kid believed that was gonna happen, and me

1278
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: knowing what I know now about this industry, like, how

1279
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: did you ever think that? But it's just somehow it's

1280
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: the stars have aligned thus far, and who knows what's happened,

1281
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: what's coming, but like it feels, it feels pretty special.

1282
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: See, this is where I think we disagree a little bit.

1283
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that the stars have aligned. I think

1284
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: you would have aligned the stars regardless had it been

1285
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: attempted three hundred or seventeen hundred and sixty nine or six,

1286
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, and there's a way you can look at

1287
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: it and go, well, I got very lucky this happened,

1288
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: and very lucky this happened. Or if you're just in

1289
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: there swinging blindly, you swing enough, you fill up the

1290
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: room with enough punches, eventually you're going to hit something. Yeah,

1291
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: you know. And it's just some people get pretty fortunate

1292
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: hit another sixth some people they're eleven hundredth and but

1293
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: you're that guy who it ain't luck when it happens

1294
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: four or five or six times. It's tenacity. It's and

1295
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: we've used naive, but it's all I would remove it

1296
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: from this. It's belief that if you just do the

1297
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: little things right, the right things can happen. Not will,

1298
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Speaker 2: but can. And so as we talk, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: with Bob and the one song in the cage, that

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: stuff'sn'na happen if you're not already out there in a

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: place for you to be seen or discovered or to

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: be heard. It's not as if you were walking down

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: the street someone grabbed you by the collar and said

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00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: you look like you can sing, sing into this microphone

1305
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: like that didn't happen. And I think that a guy

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00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: like yourself can be so humble that you can also

1307
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: start to believe that story of I've just been very lucky.

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00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: You have been fortunate that it has lined up the

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: way it has. But I truly believe that it was

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: going to line up regardless in some way, because that

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00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: is the kind of person that you are, and this

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: way that lined up. Listen, you feel so fortunate now,

1313
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: but you could be pissed that. I mean, you've had

1314
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: you had did two failed deals. Basically, yeah, you just

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: kept going back into.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that like there was a moment in time,

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Speaker 1: and I've talked to you about this a little bit

1318
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: where like I would catch myself not liking a new

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00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: artist that had like just moved to town and was

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: instantly famous, or like wanting to hate a song that

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: blew up overnight and somebody is you know, it's the

1322
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: first song they've ever put out and it's a number

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: one song, and and I had to really check myself

1324
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, man, like, do you really not

1325
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: like that? Or is that coming from a place of

1326
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: like you wishing it was you? You know? And I

1327
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily want to take my path again of you know,

1328
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: ten years in a fan and trailer and playing empty

1329
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: bars and wondering where the next checks coming from, and

1330
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: like is this ever going to happen? But now that

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Speaker 1: I'm and I'm not even all the way on the

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Speaker 1: other side of it, but now that I'm closer to

1333
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: the other side of it, I'm really thankful that that

1334
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: journey was my own, because I learned a lot of

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00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: lessons along the way about myself, about how I want

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Speaker 1: to do business, about how I want to treat other people.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's given me some empathy for people

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00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: that are just getting started and how I want to

1339
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: like be a hand up for the next person that's

1340
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: going through that. And it's taught me how to put

1341
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: on a show and taught me how to write a song.

1342
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: And if I'd gotten the golden ticket when I moved

1343
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Speaker 1: to Nashville in my early twenties, like I probably wouldn't

1344
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: be a guy that I like, you know, it's given

1345
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: me a chance to like dig in and build roots

1346
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: with my family and like have everything covered at home

1347
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: and internally. And now if God willingness does scale, I

1348
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: think that maybe hopefully I'll be equipped to handle it.

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Speaker 2: Top twenty most likely right now. Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy to even hear you say it.

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Speaker 2: Man, pretty cool, that is pretty cool. That's it. It's

1352
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Speaker 2: I'm super proud for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: Everybody works hard, but you're working really hard. It's working

1355
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: hard and having a good attitude at the same time,

1356
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: which can be tough, especially when you have to when

1357
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: you have young kids, which you have. That's a lot

1358
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: of sacrifice. You you're gone, yeah, absolutely, And you know

1359
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: it's not like you're making a ton of money right now. No,

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: I mean you're just now starting to get good. You're

1361
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: just now starting to get these good money offers that

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: you don't get to be played for six months.

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: It's within the last six months. Yes, it started happening,

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it's fun.

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: It's fun. I won't lie to you.

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: It's like, it's it's surreal. Right now.

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: Things get easier. It's still not easy, but things get

1368
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: easier because people treat you different. Food's a little better,

1369
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: it is instead of a vain you know. It's just

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01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: it's all of that. But you deserve it. Man, I'm

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: super pumped for you. So the album is Mind on You.

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01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: That's out. Obviously, the song is doing great right now.

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01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: You're just a likable dude. I can't wait to tell

1374
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Speaker 2: Eddie all the stuff I learned about you. Eddie have

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01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: no idea, buddy, did you know George if parents didn't

1376
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: speak English, they're Portuguese? No it Yeah, and he knows, yes,

1377
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: his parents he looks like a regular white dude Portuguese.

1378
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: His parents were immigrants, both of them. Wow, and so

1379
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: he's yeah, it's the whole thing. He's well, he's also

1380
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: he's got two penises, one in front, one and back.

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Speaker 1: They weren't originally.

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys follow that George Burge on Instagram. You

1383
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: have a different name on TikTok, dude, what's up?

1384
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: It's like George Burge officials.

1385
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: But there was already an unofficial. Yeah, there was already.

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: It was a weird, weird guy. Yeah, yeah, I didn't

1387
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: say that.

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: George Burge unofficial, whoever you are. I don't think you're

1389
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: weird at all. I think you should not sue me.

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01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: All right, there he is, assume me.

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: It's cool. I don't have anything.

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: You had nothing, George burg George, dude, it's been awesome,

1393
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: which is an hour.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, man. It's always

1395
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: fun catching up and you reminded me stuff. I hadn't

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01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: thought of him forever.

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: He didn't george't even know any Portuguese, Eddie. He was like,

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01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: I know Portuguese. All right, there is George Burge. You

1399
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: guys go follow him. He's out on the road, his

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: songs killing it, and that's what's up.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.