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Speaker 1: On this episode of New World, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the presidential debate between President Donald Trump and Vice

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Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris Calliss, and I watched it with great interest.

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, I'd been a lot of debates

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve when I ran for president, I participated

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Speaker 1: in debates as an observer, going all the way back.

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Speaker 1: I guess my first debate was Richard Nixon and John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy in nineteen sixty. I was intrigued with what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I knew that Vice President Harris had

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Speaker 1: taken basically a week off to hide and to train,

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Speaker 1: and I was curious whether that would help her or

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Speaker 1: heard her, and I have to confess, I think it

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Speaker 1: helped her. She was well prepared within certain boundaries. She

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Speaker 1: was pretty well trained about how to look and how

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Speaker 1: to sound, and it took a while for me to

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Speaker 1: realize what the challenge was. She could do very well

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Speaker 1: in style, but she did very badly on substance, and

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Speaker 1: the question was whether in the long run, style carries

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Speaker 1: you past substance. Trump, on the other hand, came in

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Speaker 1: I think very prepared to make certain key points, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: I think he figured as long as he made those

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Speaker 1: key points, the rest was irrelevant. So his polling and

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Speaker 1: every polling I've seen, the number one issue in the

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Speaker 1: country is the economy. And I must say, in the

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Speaker 1: one brief moment where the ABC moderators were neutral, they

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Speaker 1: actually opened my asking about the economy. I'll come back

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Speaker 1: to that. But Trump figured out if he stayed on

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Speaker 1: the economy and drove it hard enough, if he stayed

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Speaker 1: on immigration and drove it hard enough, that those were

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Speaker 1: the number one and number two issues, and they were

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Speaker 1: the things that would move voters, and in particular that

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Speaker 1: the economy, when tied to fracking and energy policy, would

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Speaker 1: dramatically move Pennsylvania. So you had two remarkably different strategies.

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Speaker 1: I think that Kamala Harris's people knew that she could

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Speaker 1: not win on substance. She couldn't win the performance argument

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Speaker 1: on substance because in the end, every pole indicates people

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Speaker 1: thought they were better off under Trump than they have

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Speaker 1: been under Biden. And she couldn't win the defense of

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Speaker 1: her policies argument because in a number of areas she's

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Speaker 1: far far more radical than the country. So she had

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Speaker 1: to focus on style. And I'm going to play for

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Speaker 1: you in a second her opening answer, because it sort

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Speaker 1: of captured what she was trying to do. But I

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Speaker 1: want you to notice how it's set up the moderate

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Speaker 1: and I have to say that David Muir and Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Davis were the most biased, most destructive moderators I think

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Speaker 1: in the history of presidential presidential debates, and interestingly, to

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Speaker 1: such a degree that I really thought of it as

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Speaker 1: the ABC News Kamala Harris team, that Trump was in

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Speaker 1: fact competing with three people now with one, and that

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Speaker 1: they operated with remarkable mutual support. You may think I'm

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Speaker 1: using strong language in describing an ABC News Kamala Harris team,

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Speaker 1: but I want to explain to you the context that

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Speaker 1: would lead me to believe that that's true. As The

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Speaker 1: New York Post reported, quote ahead of next month's presidential

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Speaker 1: debate and ABC News, a potential conflict of interest is

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Speaker 1: raising eyebrows. Dana Waldon, a senior Disney executive whose portfolio

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Speaker 1: includes ABC News, is one of Vice President Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 1: extraordinary friends. According to report The New York Times, Walden

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Speaker 1: and Harris have known each other since nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: while their husbands Matt Walden and Doug Imhoff have known

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Speaker 1: each other since the nineteen eighties. Dana Walden has donated

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Speaker 1: to dozens of Democrats and contributed to Harris's political campaigns

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Speaker 1: since at least two thousand and three, when she ran

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Speaker 1: for district attorney in San Francisco. At the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: to his credit, David Muir ask about a very specific

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Speaker 1: thing and says to Vice President Harris, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thought it was a good question about the number one

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Speaker 1: issue for the American people. But in addition, it put

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Speaker 1: her on the spot because it basically said yes or no,

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Speaker 1: do you believe Americans are better off than they were

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Speaker 1: four years ago? Now we're down to substance, not style,

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Speaker 1: And I want you to listen to her answer. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit long, but it gives you a flavor

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Speaker 2: Begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is

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Speaker 2: their number one issue, and that is the economy and

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Speaker 2: the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris,

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Speaker 2: you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and

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Speaker 2: your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters,

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Speaker 2: are you better off than you were four years ago?

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Speaker 2: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans

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Speaker 3: So I was raised as a middle class kid, and

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Speaker 3: I am actually the only person on this stage who

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Speaker 3: has a plan that is about lifting up the middle

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Speaker 3: the aspirations, the dreams of the American people, and that

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Speaker 3: is why I imagine and have actually a plan to

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Speaker 3: build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing,

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Speaker 3: and the cost of housing is too expensive far too

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Speaker 3: many people. We know that young families need support to

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Speaker 3: raise their children, and I intend on extending a tax

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Speaker 3: cut for those families of six thousand dollars, which is

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Speaker 3: the largest child tax credit that we have given in

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Speaker 3: to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes

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Speaker 3: for their children. My passion, one of them is small businesses.

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Speaker 3: I was actually my mother raised my sister and me,

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Speaker 3: but there was a woman who helped raise us. We

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Speaker 3: call her our second mother. She was a small business owner.

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Speaker 3: I love our small businesses. My plan is to give

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Speaker 3: a fifty thousand dollars tax deduction to start up small businesses,

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Speaker 3: knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy.

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Speaker 3: My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to

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Speaker 3: do what he has done before, which is to provide

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Speaker 3: a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will

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Speaker 3: result in five trillion dollars to America's deficit. My opponent

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Speaker 3: has a plan that I call the Trump's sales Tax,

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Speaker 3: which would be a twenty percent tax on everyday goods

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Speaker 3: that you rely on to get through the month. Economists

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Speaker 3: have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result

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Speaker 3: for middle class families in about four thousand dollars more

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Speaker 3: a year because of his policies and his ideas about

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Speaker 3: what should be the backs of middle class people paying

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Speaker 3: for tax cuts for billionaires.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you can see from that answer, she immediately

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Speaker 1: drops into identity. She drops into the only person on

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Speaker 1: so forth. But in fact, she never answers the question

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Speaker 1: And she can't answer the question because she knows seventy

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And that's why the substance issue is what

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to get to. There's also fascinating sort

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's true. We had been through a worldwide pandemic

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Speaker 1: get the economy growing again. And as they left office,

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Speaker 1: the economy was taking off. But it was a little

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Speaker 1: clever to blame him for unemployment caused by the COVID epidemic.

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Speaker 1: And you see these kind of things going on all evening. Now.

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Speaker 1: In the end, Trump comes back again and again, sometimes

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Speaker 1: a reach, talking about illegal immigration, talking about the economy,

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Speaker 1: and interestingly making probably the funniest, strangest come of the evening,

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Speaker 1: where he talks about cats. Listen to Trump for just

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Speaker 1: cats is Springfield.

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Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're

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Speaker 4: eating the cats. They're eating they're eating the pets of

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Speaker 4: the people that live there, and this is what's happening

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Speaker 4: in our country.

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Speaker 5: And it's a shame.

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Speaker 1: Now that went viral for some reason, people who weren't

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Speaker 1: the cat issue. And there are very funny memes about

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Speaker 1: Trump and cats all over the place. But on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, it also means a lot more people are

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Speaker 1: going to learn about Springfield, Ohio, and they're going to

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Speaker 1: learn about Aurora, Colorado. And if you ask people, do

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Speaker 1: you believe that the crime levels up, and do you

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Speaker 1: believe that millions and millions of illegal immigrants is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Trump is in fact right where they are. And I'll

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Speaker 1: come back because it's one of the things that the

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Speaker 1: willing to be wrong on small things if he gets

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Speaker 1: a political leader. So part of what I think made

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Speaker 1: the debate really hard was the degree to which the

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Speaker 1: ABC newspeople were totally biased. So listen for a second

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump talking about abortion and the Democrats being

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Speaker 1: radicals on abortion and he initially refers to the governor

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Speaker 1: of West Virginia. He says later he meant the governor

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Speaker 4: The reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is,

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Speaker 4: as you know, the vote is.

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Speaker 5: They have abortion in the ninth month.

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Speaker 4: They even have and you can look at the governor

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Speaker 4: of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not

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Speaker 4: the current governor is doing an excellent job, but the

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Speaker 4: governor before he said, the baby will be born, and

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Speaker 4: we will decide what to do with the baby. In

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Speaker 4: other words, we'll execute the baby. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: are radical in that. And her vice presidential pick, which

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Speaker 4: our country because he is really out of it. But

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Speaker 4: her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month

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Speaker 4: is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth, it's

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Speaker 4: an execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born,

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Speaker 5: And that's not okay with me. Hence the vote. But

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Speaker 5: what I did is.

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Speaker 4: Something for fifty two years they've been trying to get

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Speaker 4: Roe v wade into the states, and through the genius

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Speaker 4: able to do that. Now I believe in the exceptions

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Speaker 4: for rape, incest, and life of the mother. I believe strongly,

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Speaker 4: and it Ronald Reagan did also. Eighty five percent of

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Speaker 4: get it, and now states are voting on it, and

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Speaker 4: for the first time, you're going to see, Look, this

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Speaker 4: is an issue that's torn our country apart for fifty

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Speaker 4: two years. Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative,

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Speaker 4: they all wanted this issue to be brought back to

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Speaker 4: the states where the people could vote.

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Speaker 5: And that's what happened. Happened.

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Speaker 4: Now, Ohio the vote with somewhat liberal, Kansas the vote

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Speaker 4: with somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought.

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Speaker 4: But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of

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Speaker 4: the people now, it's not tied up in the federal government.

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Speaker 4: I did a great service in doing it. It took

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Speaker 4: courage to do it, and the Supreme Court had great

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Speaker 4: courage in doing it, and I give tremendous credit to

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Speaker 4: those six justices.

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Speaker 1: Now then gets an immediate intervention from ABC News, and

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Speaker 2: There is no state in this country where it is

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Speaker 2: legal to kill a baby after it's born.

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Speaker 1: Now, I just want to stop right here and point

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Speaker 1: out to you what she just said is explicitly false.

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Speaker 1: There are, in fact, states where there are babies who

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Speaker 1: die after they're born. And the former governor of Virginia,

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Speaker 5: You can't be beaten the election.

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Speaker 4: People should never be thinking about an election as fraudulent.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of.

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Speaker 2: I did watch all of these pieces of video. I

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Speaker 1: So what do you see again and again is that

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Speaker 1: thirty five thousand people vote. They picked Trump seventy four

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Speaker 1: Institute said that forty five percent people they interviewed thought

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven percent were more likely to vote for Trump

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Speaker 1: A CNN poll was the one which said fifty five

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Speaker 1: got ninety three percent Trump to six percent for Harris. Finally,

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Speaker 1: I don't think their final story. But my sense is

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Speaker 1: the things that mattered to people, she got beaten badly.

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Speaker 1: And I have a hunch that as you watch over

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks, you will see this outcoming. In

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Speaker 1: the next few weeks, I'll report to you as we

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