1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Mama never told you production of I Hear Radio's House 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: to works. And today, finally, finally, I have waited so long, 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: we are talking about Alien Alien Aliens. Yes, I already 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: corrected there. I've been yelled at a few times actually 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: in the last week, not only by you, but the friend. 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: He continues like it's alien. Well, and I was saying, 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: I completely understand that mistake because I actually saw Aliens first, 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: because I didn't realize it wasn't a one two situations. 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: The sequel is Aliens with an S directed by James Cameron, 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: but that's not the one we're talking about today, although 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: we will mention it. Um, we're going to be talking 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: about the nineteen seventy nine release Scott film Aliens. So 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: if you somehow, some way haven't seen it and don't 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: want to be spoiled, then you may want to skip 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: this one. Trigger warning too for sexual assault and rape 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and discussion of disturbing sexual imagery. Yes, um, and I 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: know longtime listeners of this show should be celebrating for 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: me because I said I think in the very first episode, 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about alien and here we 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: are and here we are yes, because it is the 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: fortieth anniversary of Alien correct right, and it is back 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: in theaters for a few days beginning October. So this 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: is a chance to see it on the big screen 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: if you want. Um, and we of course went or 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: will be going depending on when you listen to right 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: um for research. This is some of the best research. 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: I will say. Yes, we started our research, Arlie. Yes, 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: because I refused to do this episode until I watched it, 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: because I knew this was going to be a probably 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: four hour episode with your excitement and your um what 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: is it? Zeal? Zeal, thank you to continue and to 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: talk about it, and I'm really excited with you. So 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, let me watch this. And I 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: did watch it. I didn't have commentary, but there was 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot of commentary from both sides of me because 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening? Okay, what? Okay? What? To a 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of explanations, to a lot of here it comes 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: moments are that a few times? Um? So I did 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: we did already kind of do a view, yes, um, 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: but it's not going to be It wasn't in theater. 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: So and I promise to keep quiet. I'm really glad 43 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: you had the chance to be able to get all 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: of your excitement out so that when we're in the 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: theater you wouldn't do that, right. I still want to 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: do one viewing and you don't have to go, but 47 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: I want to do one with a theme like cocktail 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: that's red, and just the whole thing is discussion and hey, 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: you know I'm always down with alcohol. Just be sitting 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: there and nodding, Just let me get it out, get 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: it out, like yes, we go. Um, And yeah, this 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: was something I was very excited to share with you 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: and with anyone who hasn't seen it or has only 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: seen it once or twice in passing. And you haven't 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: taken this critical feminist lens to it because you will 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: not be able to unsee all the stuff we're talking about. 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: So if you happen to not want to watch it 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: with feminist lens, maybe skip it as well. But I 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: think it's fun, and yeah, I have told the story 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: on the show before, I think. But um, thanks to 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: a truly epic and very mean and honestly successful prank 62 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: my older brother played on me, I was terrified of 63 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: aliens like the trope the thing the monster and movies 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: and so fairly fairly recently. I didn't see ET and 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Independence Day until I think a couple of years ago. Um. 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: My friends made me watch ET after we wrote the 67 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: ET Ride at Universal, and I was like, wait, what 68 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: is what? What? Yeah, it's very different than the movie. 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: I've got to say, the Ride the only movie I've 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: ever walked out on because the fear was lost in space. 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: And yes, I know that's not a great movie, but 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: I was scared and I left. Um and I almost 73 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: walked out on signs. I would have walked out if 74 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: my friends hadn't been there and I was too embarrassed. 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: I will say, of all three of these movies, I've 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: only seen E T really Yeah, because you know, I 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of told you already I'm not a big sci 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: fi fan, so the idea of aliens has never been, 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: uh something that I've been really really interested in seeing. 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: The vampires, give me ghosts, give me demons, you know, 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: all of those all day, but technically aliens, I'm like, okay, whatever, sure, Yeah. 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: So what UM and I did have on my list? 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I had two movies that because I was trying to 84 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: get over this fear actively and the two movies they 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: had at the top of my list working my way 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: up was Event Horizon and Aliens, because again I didn't 87 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: realize that there was an alien before that, and I 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: cried during Aliens. I was so afraid, but I got 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: over it and you love it. Yeah. Now, I was 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: like wow with this, and I was fortunate enough to 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: get to walk through this really scary alien set piece 92 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: at the movie um in London. That was pretty cool. Alright, 93 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: So that is a lot of exposition. Let's get into 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: the episode here, because we do have a lot to say, 95 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: or I have a lot to say in Samantha's very 96 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: patient with me. To start with. Alien is Yes a 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine sci fi horror movie distributed by twentieth 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Century Fox, directed by Ridley Scott, written by Dan O'Bannon 99 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: and starring Sigourney Weaver. Amazing Sigourney Weaver. Yes, and I 100 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: watched Kevin in the Woods last night and I forgot 101 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: she's in it. That was one of the prime moments 102 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: of Candid Yes, Yes, Yes, um okay. So O'Bannon, the writer, 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: was looking to ride the success of Star Wars with 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: a different type of space story. It was pitched as 105 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Jaws in Space. I can see that. Ridley Scott described 106 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: it as Texas Chainsaw massacre, but science fiction, and we 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: should mention he gets sold credit. Abandon does for the script, 108 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: but a handful of others made pretty big contributions with 109 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: which led to a lot of tension. Yeah, of course. Anyway, 110 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the story involves the crew of the Nostromo, a commercial 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: spaceship kind of like a space tow truck, and their 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: encounter with the quote perfect organism alien. The main character, 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: though you probably wouldn't know it for the first act 114 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: of the film, is Sigourne Weavers Ellen Ripley, the capable 115 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: and cool headed senior officer. One of the posters came 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: with the iconic tagline in space, no one can hear 117 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: you scream. Okay, I guess that's right unless you're in 118 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: although in the movie you don't hear them scream. It 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: gets yeah you did somehow. There's a moment where I 120 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: think they were playing with it, but then you do 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: hear them screen, so I was like, well, it was 122 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: like it's very muted though, or music is blaring over it. Yeah. Yeah, 123 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: I think that was a choice. It was a choice, 124 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: but I don't know if it was like for a reason, yeah, exactly. 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Um the poster also, by the way, that is just 126 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: an egg on the front. Okay. Both audiences and critics 127 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: praised the film, and it went on to win the 128 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Oscar for Best Visual Effects, three Saturn Awards, and a 129 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Hugo Award. Several film critics regarded as one of the 130 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: best films of all time. It gross about two hundred 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: million at the box office. In two thousand two. The 132 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: Library of Congress added it to their National Film Registry, 133 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: calling it culturally historically are esthetically significant. The American Film 134 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Institute placed it at seventh place on their list of 135 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: best sci fi films. In two thousand eight, an Empire 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: put it into thirty third place when ranking best movies 137 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: of all time. Also, speaking rides, there used to be 138 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I would love if a listener could write it and 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: confirm this, But I feel like there was a ride 140 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: called Alien Encounter, and I remember it being in Magic 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Kingdom where Leelo and stitches now, but that can't be right, right, 142 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: that can't be right. It was in Magic Kingdom. What well, 143 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: super producer Andrew confirms it, and my mind is blown. 144 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I just feel like it was really scary for Magic Kingdom. 145 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: It is very scary. Um. Yeah, it was for people 146 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: who don't know. You were in a chair and like 147 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: there was the alien was in the in a tube 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: in front of you, and then of course it gets 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: out and you feel it breathing on your neck and 150 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: then you get sprayed with blood as it kills somebody. 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: It was very intense. I can see why they may 152 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: be replaced it with Leelo and Stitch, where it's now 153 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of a funny ride. Um. Anyway, my mom and 154 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: dad used to tell me about their experience seeing this 155 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: movie in the theaters for the first time, which I 156 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: find funny for several reasons. But they also went on 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: to get married on which is the day that it premiered, 158 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: which I'm sure is a coincidence. But they told me 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: people were running, puking, screaming, um, that they avoided looking 160 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: at the poster after seeing it because it scared them 161 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, my dad popcorns up in the air. Yeah. 162 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, not too many 163 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: things at the time. People haven't seen too many things 164 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: like that. Wasn't that in the same era as Halloween? 165 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: And it was Yeah, all that though it was close. Um, 166 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: but like in space people passed out during a New 167 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Hope because the spaceship in the beginning just kept going on. So, 168 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, interesting. And I am playing the video game 169 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: Alien Isolation right now, which is a game where the 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: alien can hear you as in the player, as in me, 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: whatever is happening in my real life environment, and it 172 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: uses that in the game. And I've died any many times. 173 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't the recommendation to you about sit wearing headphones 174 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: so you can hear even louder, Yeah, because it's surround 175 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: sound and you can hear it in front of you. 176 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: So this film success went on to inspire a franchise 177 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: seven more films to date, if we include the Alien 178 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: Versus Predator films, which I also haven't seen those. Not really, 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: they're fun, not really. The books, comics, video games, and toys. 180 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: Pretty impressive for R rated film. Yeah, the toys thing. Yeah, 181 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: I can't think of too many other our movies. I 182 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: guess like serial Killers or you know, like Monsters. Oh yeah, 183 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I think there wasn't actually like Halloween, Jason Toy, Freddy 184 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: Cougar Toy, which is really weird. Yeah, I'll think about 185 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: that later. Um, and yes, Alien has thieves of motherhood, abortion, 186 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: fear of sexual assault, post humanism and sex in general, machines, 187 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: corporations putting technology, weaponry, and scientific discovery about the welfare 188 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: of people. Some people have even interpreted the film as 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: a metaphor for women's refusal to bear children. So, yes, 190 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: there is an actual reason why we're talking about it. 191 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: It's not because I'm just a huge fan. It has 192 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of feminist issues and just kind of right 193 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: anxieties around well, as you have already discovered because researching 194 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: there's so many articles and YouTube videos of these theories 195 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: of how this is portraying the patriarchy as well as 196 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: versus like feminism. What is this whole idea of one 197 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: woman being independent, being a leader, all of these different 198 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: And of course I know you were talking more about it, 199 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: but birthing and vaginas, but yes, yes, specifically burning gam 200 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: vaginas no joke. Yeah, I am definitely not the only 201 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: one who has put some thought into this by far. 202 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: And I'm actually really relieved because I was watching that 203 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: movie SIMI recently. I'm like, I think this is a 204 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: got a lot going on with vaginas and stuff. And 205 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: then I wasn't wrong. I wasn't way off base with 206 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: that one um from Tom shown over at Slate. Quote 207 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: Alien has issues. It has mommy issues and sex issues 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: as a thing for strong women who it also likes 209 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: to ugle in their undies. It's a hot mess of 210 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Fordian fever dream with its crabby and post coital atmosphere. 211 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: It's rebirthing imagery. It's queasily gynecological production design. It's night 212 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: sweat of male anxiety, a particularly horrifying confusion of the 213 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: sexual gynecological with the gastro intestinal, wrote James Kavanaugh from 214 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: Son of a Bitch, Feminism, Humanism, and Science, and Alien, 215 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: of the famous John Hurt birth scene in which a 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: quote razor tooth phallic monster gnaws its way through his 217 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: stomach into the light. A kind of science fiction foulst 218 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: in tatus. Oh yeah, mm hmmm. So the movie came 219 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: out during a tumultuous time in our society. So rod 220 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: versus Wade had just recently passed, and gender and social 221 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: politics are changing rapidly with the help of the Second 222 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: Way feminism. Not only that, but people increasingly had environmental 223 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: concerns from pesticides, chemicals, in our foods and cancer is 224 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: caused by humans. Yeah, like human whatever we're up to. Um, 225 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's let's talk about the feminism of this movie. 226 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: If you search for most feminist harmonies of all time, 227 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: Alien is almost guaranteed to make the list. And if 228 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: you just search this movie and feminism itself, yeah, you 229 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: will find pages and pages of thing pieces about it, 230 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: some lauding its accomplishments, some decrying its flaws. This movie 231 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: is frequently examined through a feminist lens, seeen as progressive 232 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: for its time, while nitpicked for not going far enough. 233 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: Are sometimes in the context of how little the rest 234 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: of the series has come in terms of feminism since 235 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: that first one, once described as quote, a rape movie 236 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: with male victims are an examination of the monstrous feminine. 237 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: And yes, before you write in, we all know men 238 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: can be and are the victims of rape as well, 239 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: but this is how people have described it. Dan O'Bannon, 240 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: the writer himself, claimed that to him, the movie examined 241 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: the male fear of penetration, in which case I suppose 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: we could add in homophobia in the general conversation here. Um, 243 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: here's a quote from him. One thing that people are 244 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: all disturbed about is sex. I said, that's how I'm 245 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: going to attack the audience. I'm going to attack them sexually, 246 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to go after the women in 247 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: the audience are going to attack them men. I'm going 248 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: to put in every image I can think of to 249 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: make the men in the audience cross their legs, homosexual, 250 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: oral rape, birth. The thing lays its eggs down your 251 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: throat the whole number. So that's the creator himself. Uh yeah, 252 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: And that scene where it attacks like attaches to that 253 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: guy's face, what's the character ash, that's the Okay, Okay, 254 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: that's right Kane's face. That was really felt like and 255 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: very very disturbing in every sense. Right, And and I 256 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: want to go into that, but before it will make sense, 257 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about how this creature works and embrace yourself 258 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: perhaps terrifying this thing is. So the queen lays eggs 259 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: and you actually don't see that until the second one, 260 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: but there's this big queen. She lays eggs. When the 261 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: eggs hatch, the resulting creatures are called face huggers, and 262 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: they find something living and in this case um humans 263 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: to latch onto. As the name applies. They usually latch 264 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: onto someone's face, wrapping their tail around the victim's throat 265 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: and inserting their proboscis down their throat and forcing them 266 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: to become the host for their baby. If you can 267 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: call it that organism, I guess it's a frightening, disturbing act, 268 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: very very close to oral rape. And I believe in 269 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: the second one, you get a closer look at it, 270 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: and it does look very vaginal, and then there's a 271 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: probuscus that looks very phallic. So it's kind of been 272 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: described as this combination hugger because I was going to say, 273 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: when they examine face hugger, it looked a lot like 274 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: the Clinton of vagina, and I was like, what, what's WHOA, Yeah, 275 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: that's very very obvious. It is quite obvious. The first 276 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: victim was deliberately chosen to be male, and yes, his 277 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: name was Kane ash Um, who you later find out 278 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: is an android, but he's the science officer on the ship. 279 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: He refers to the organism inside Kane as Kane's son, 280 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: a reference to the biblical Kine, whose sons were born 281 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: outside of God's laws and were therefore quite lunch risk 282 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: I did not pick up on this until this last 283 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: time we watched it. Once the organism is ready inside 284 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: the its host stomach, it burst out of the victim's 285 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: stomach and this is called a chest burster. This was 286 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: also famously parodied and Spaceballs, which you was the one 287 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: I remembered. I was like dining diner, and and then 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: my friend was the one that said, what's the scene 289 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: where the tap dance? Yes? Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 290 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: all right. And then from there it grows very very rapidly, 291 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: like hours, into a full grown creature called a zeno 292 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: morph And I'm sure Now I'm not sure at all 293 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: because all of you listeners probably don't traffic in the 294 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: same nursery that I do. But I see a lot 295 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: of YouTube videos that's like explained the morphology of the 296 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: zeno more of our the life cycle of Xeno moreph 297 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: because it is kind of confusing, right, but those are 298 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: essentially the life that's the life cycle, is it? I 299 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: would never question it because I'm like, a's an alien? 300 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: What rational Like what kind of rationale do you put 301 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to that? As an alien? How do we know something 302 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: that we don't know? I think it just confuses people 303 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: that the face hugger essentially dies. It puts your egg in, 304 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: it puts its egg in you. That was twenty tho 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: questions I did ask him, like, wait, why if that's 306 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: the egg, why isn't the egg the thing? And why 307 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: does it need to do one more extra step than 308 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: just doing that? Because what it means a gestation period 309 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: in it. It's sometimes enough other movies it like takes 310 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: the DNA of the host of I guess because I 311 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: was very confused, like, if it's already in the egg 312 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: then and it's been birthed out of that egg, which 313 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: hatches out of it's been birthed, So why is it 314 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: doing it again? What is happening? We did have that moment, 315 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: we did, and um. One more thing about them is 316 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: they bleed acid. And this was done on purpose because 317 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the director and the writers were like, why would they 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: not just shoot them? Oh I know, they bleed acid 319 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: and we'll destroy your space shap Yeah they worked. Okay, 320 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: So that establishes the alien some of the things that 321 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about. UM, but we do have a character 322 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: that's been pretty big in the genre since then. But 323 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for word from response 324 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. And another thing that 325 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: comes up when you're talking about feminism and alien is 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: of course Ripley, who. For listeners who have heard, I believe, 327 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: the first episode I ever did as full time host 328 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: was Final Girl. She is frequently pointed to as one 329 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: of the original Final Girls, which is someone usually virginal 330 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: who a woman who survives to the end of an 331 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: onslaught in horror movies. So when it comes to our 332 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: main protagonist, Ellen Ripley, many of you have probably heard 333 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: um Ridley Scott asked for both male and female actors 334 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: to read the part. It wasn't gender. They were like 335 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: bringing whoever, and they went with a then unknown Sigourney Weaver. Also, 336 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: by the way, Ridley Scott identifies as feminist cool yeah 337 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: um yeah. So she is someone who is strong and 338 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: capable while still maintaining her femininity, although not too much 339 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: of it. But I personally when I read that, I 340 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: was like, she, um, you will apparently she kind of 341 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: it's the cat that most people point at the fact 342 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: that she cares about the cat, saves the cat very 343 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: I guess a feminine trait. She has been described Ripley, 344 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: not the cat, as the divine mother and protector of 345 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: all life. The final shot in the movie, some people 346 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: see us very Virgin Mary, resembling Virgin Mary. She is 347 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: also for much of the beginning of the movie largely ignored. Again, 348 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: you might not know she is the main character for 349 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: a while. Um, she's ignored by her male co workers 350 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: and even the other female one. When she cites quarantine protocol, 351 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: the thing that could have saved them from the alien, 352 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: she's ignored, completely ignored. They're like, Nah, that's terrible. You're 353 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: a terrible person. We're bringing bringing Cane in with this 354 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: mysterious being attached to his face. Uh, horror in itself. 355 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: Let's bring it in. Everything's fine. Yeah, I think we're 356 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: very chill about it. They really were. I feel like 357 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot of the sci fi and horror movies. 358 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: They're like, that's cool. Things that have to everything's just fine. 359 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: So attached to his face and okay, they're bleeding out 360 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: every orpus. Let's just let's just talk to them, called 361 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: comfort them. Yeah. Run uh. And this other female character, 362 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: her name is a Lambert, who is played by Veronica Kurtwright. 363 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: Kurtwright has publicly complained about the character of Lambert, who 364 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: if you don't know, she's sort of spends the last 365 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: part of the movie crying and upset. Yeah, she says 366 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: she was told that Lambert. The actress was told that 367 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Lambert was supposed to represent the fears of the audience. 368 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: In the sequel Aliens, it is revealed that Lambert was 369 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: a trans woman. Um A screen briefly shown reads, despite 370 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: conversion at birth from male to female, so far, there 371 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: are no signs of suppressed trauma from gender reassignment and 372 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: of popular fan supported theories that Lambert died of via 373 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: violent rape. Yeah, that was really horrible because she the 374 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: last thing you see of her that we saw of 375 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: hers her panciless, because all you can see is the 376 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: leg and then the blood dripping down, which by the way, 377 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: also represents many a many times. We talked about administruation 378 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: and penetration all that, but it was really wows As 379 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: quiet as the death was, it seemed like it snaps 380 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: away real quick. You see it a little bit and 381 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: then that's it, essentially. I used to have the tentacle, yeah, 382 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: the tail. Uh. Yeah. And apparently in the game, which 383 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to this part yet, apparently you find 384 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: her body and it is covered in blood. Maybe I'll 385 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: report back on that um. Both women in the movie 386 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: had to wear tape over their nipples so as not 387 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: to offend of yours in other countries when they come 388 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: out of their like space hyper sleep thing. Many scholars 389 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: argue that the character Ripley did so much to toughen 390 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: up female heroines quickly and eventually led to characters like 391 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: Buffy Um. Sigourney Weaver reprised her role as Ripley and 392 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Aliens Alien three and Alien Resurrection, and yeah, we're not 393 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: really talking about those to day, but but briefly, her 394 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: character arc takes her from sole survivor to mother their 395 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: motherhood is all the thing and Aliens to alien queen, 396 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: to a transformation into the other. She becomes a clone, 397 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: not quite human, not quite alien. In Resurrection, Clone Rimpley 398 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: describes herself as the monster's mother. When that movie ends, 399 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: it's to not quite human women that witnessed the New 400 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Dawn that rod into the future with a Ripley that 401 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: has rejected humanity and the alien instead chosen herself. She 402 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: goes from mother protector to mother destroyer another time. Well, 403 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's kind of how we talked 404 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: about all the monsters. Female monsters and we were talking 405 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: about the one being the protector, a bubble bubba yoga 406 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: babba yaga that sounds very similar into that same realm. Yeah, 407 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: it's it's really fascinating. And as we we talked about 408 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: in that episode, well, that episode doesn't come out, so 409 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: this is a preview. We're doing one of female monsters. 410 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: We do have, apparently in our society a lot of 411 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: anxiety around motherhood, and we've talked about that before and 412 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: you can see it a lot in this series. And 413 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: here's one I love this. One of the taglines for 414 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: the third film was this time, it's hiding in the 415 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: most terrifying place of all, which is a woman's body, 416 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: because it's in Sigourney Weaver spoiler spoiler spoilers, a woman's 417 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: body is really terrifying sometimes. Apparently, apparently myself and and 418 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: the many others did take issue with the underwear scene 419 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: at the end of Alien, Specifically, she sort of thinks 420 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: she's safe and she strips down to pretty much her 421 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: underwear and like a top. But I'm actually torn about 422 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: it because me, it makes sense you'd be stripping down, 423 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: but it's hard to see it any other way because 424 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: women are so objectified in film. It just this it's 425 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: hard not to be like really right. And I think 426 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: at that time an age because when we saw them 427 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: waking up at the very beginning scenes are in diapers 428 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: essentially right, and I guess he's getting ready to go 429 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: to bed, and to me that seems completely normal, but 430 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: maybe the anticipation of the you know, something's not completely ended. 431 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: So why are you acting? Why are you acting like 432 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: you're okay? Right? And that's a big complaint when it 433 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: comes to Final Girls. Is sure you have this strong 434 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: well not always, but you have a woman who survives 435 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: and seems to be capable, but usually you're witnessing it 436 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of voyeuristically through the the killer or the monster, 437 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: so you're you're more connecting with the monster than you 438 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: are with the woman typically, So that's part of my 439 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: problem with it, I think, is that it suddenly has 440 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: that feel of like the alien is watching you and 441 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: you're undressing, which um again kind of makes sense, but 442 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: I do get a little I'm a little toorned about it. 443 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: I will say, when I've had a long day fighting aliens, 444 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I also want to step down. Does happen often? So 445 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: many times? Annoying? Now I understand. I'm glad you've rade it. 446 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: This long is long, um, And there are critiques of 447 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Ripley's um nurturing nature and her sexual appeal um that 448 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: make her and her feminism at large, and feminism at 449 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: large in this movie, I guess not so threatening to 450 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: the patriarchy. So they like took those steps, but they 451 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: did it in a way where men wouldn't freak out, 452 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: I guess is the easier way of saying that. From 453 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: Alien Woman The Making of Lieutenant Ripley by Jason Smith 454 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Kimana Gallardo quote in the final scenes of Alien Ripley 455 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: meets not just an alien creature, but a dark, physical 456 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: and psychological mirror of herself, like a woman with a flamethrower. 457 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: That alien is a fallicized fetish object, a creation of 458 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the male psyche of masculine fear and desire. Thus, the 459 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: film ultimately pits the body against her own shadow self. 460 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: But they go on to say, in a world where 461 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: men can be subjected to the monstrous feminine, becoming pregnant 462 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: and give birth to monsters, where women can become the 463 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: heroes and soul survivors, the male comes superfluous, assumed to 464 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: be outmoded form and Ripley's confrontation with and final destruction 465 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: of the alien. The object of desire of the military 466 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: industrial complex gives voice to the contemporary feminist goal of 467 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: saving humanity from the destructive impulses of patriarchy, telling you 468 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said, we need that right now. 469 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: And then here's something that you were curious about. Mother. 470 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: It's basically the computer, the ship's computer that's in charge 471 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: of everything, and it's they call it Mother, but it's 472 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: actually m U slash T slash you are six thousand 473 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: and UM. This ship is what wakes up to the 474 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: crew who was not really supposed to stop this planet, 475 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: but wakes them up early to investigate a signal coming 476 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: from LV four to six, which is where things go 477 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: terribly wrong. They change it to five or an aliens. 478 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: I think there's always like a computer sort of thing 479 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: running it. And I've been interested for a while. And 480 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: like when we talk about Mother's ship and why we 481 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: refer to ships as she, space is frequently seen as 482 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: the vast empty womb of a woman, like just giving 483 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: these gender specifiers too. I was tempted to call mother 484 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: she you know, things like that, Um when the crew 485 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: was first awakened by Mother. It is as if they 486 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: are children emerging from her room like the diapers. Like 487 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: you said, Um, Mother does not have your best interest 488 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: at art. She is a cold, artless bitch, except not technically. 489 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: But this is a computer but she's like, Um, I 490 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: guess the people who programmed her are from the movie. 491 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I love this quote Mother. I've turned the cooling unit 492 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: back on Mother. The ship will automatically distruct and T 493 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: minus five minutes and yes, that's when Ripley like starts 494 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: throwing up at the computer main dream. Um. This is 495 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: an argument between Ripley and Mother. Also, Mother's co conspirator 496 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Ash and Ash is the android character played by sir 497 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Ian Home and I do I feel like in every 498 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: single alien movie are almost all of them, the android 499 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: character has some weird thing for the final girl, because 500 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: most of these do have a final girl anyway. He 501 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: tries to kill Ripley by shoving a rolled up porno 502 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: magazine into her mouth, which also feels very reminiscent of 503 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: oral rape. Um. I've read that that scene is like 504 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: he represents toxic masculinity. Um. I never noticed there was 505 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: all this porn in the background until I did this 506 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: research from the monstrous feminine film feminism psychoanalysis. The science 507 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: fiction horror film Alien presents a complex representation of the 508 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: monstrous feminine as archaic mother. Mother. Alien is primarily a 509 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: terrifying figure, not because she is castrated, but because she castrates. 510 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: Her all consuming, incorporating powers are concretized in the figure 511 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: of her Alien offspring, the creature, whose deadly mission is 512 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: represented as the same as that of the archaic mother, 513 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: to tear apart and reincorporate all life. It is the 514 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: notion of the thick und mother as abyss that is 515 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: central to Alien. It is the abyss, the cannibalizing black 516 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: hole from which all life comes, into which all life returns, 517 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: that is represented in the film as the source of 518 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: deepest terror. Significantly, there is an attempt in Alien to 519 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: appropriate the procreative function of the archaic mother to represent 520 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: a man giving birth, to deny the mother as signifier 521 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: of sexual difference. But here birth can exist only as 522 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: the other face of death. When one of the Alien 523 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: creatures orally rapes Kane, one of the male astronauts, it 524 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: implants its embryo in Kane's stomach, but the primeval mother 525 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: does not need the male as a father, only as 526 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: a host body. In the alien creature murderously gnaws its 527 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: way through Kane's belly. It's birth leads to the male 528 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: mother's death. The archaic mother is present in all horror 529 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: films as the blackness of extinction death. The desires and 530 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: fears invoked by the image of the archaic mother as 531 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: a force that threatens to reincorporate what it once gave 532 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: birth to, are always there in the horror text. All pervasive, 533 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: encompassing because of the constant presence of death. I mean, 534 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of birth and death. Yeah, yeah, and 535 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: space is a great background to devote that against. And 536 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: we have to talk about the art. Yeah. Swiss artist H. R. 537 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Guy Years design in this film is a huge component 538 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: of this whole conversation. This guy was big on very 539 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: bio mechanical sexual imagery and well versed. An expressionist German 540 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: horror painting by Francis Bacon called three Studies for Figures 541 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: at the Base of Crucifixion served for a lot of 542 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: Geiger's inspiration when it came to the design of the alien, 543 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: or the xenomorph as it's called, and seriously check out 544 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: the painting and you will see it right away. The 545 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: resemblance it's there. Bacon's work was an interpretation of the 546 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: Greek myth around the goddesses of vengeance that chase life 547 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: and the living. The furies, who we will be talking 548 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: about in an upcoming episode, seems very appropriate for this 549 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: whole design. Geiger specifically wanted to take something that is 550 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: and long has been generally associated with pleasure sex and 551 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: turn it into something horrific. He had done something similar 552 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: in his collection of pieces called Necronomicon. Some of his 553 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: design were so overtly sexual that the studio turned them down, 554 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: which blows my mind because the ones that are in 555 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: there are pretty overtly sexual. Also, US Customs held Geiger 556 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: after seeing his artwork for Alien and being highly disturbed. 557 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: I think Ridley Scott somebody on the movie had to 558 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: come and be like, no, he's working, It's all good. 559 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: The first version of the Egg, the egg that the 560 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: face Heecker comes out of, it had one slit for 561 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: the opening, and Ridley Scott allegedly l old race thought 562 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: because he thought it looked exactly like a vagina. Back 563 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: to the drawing board and the opening became the X 564 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: that were more familiar with today, and the fully grown 565 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: alien is very phallic and designed both its head and 566 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: the little dude that pops out of his mouth and yes, 567 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: pews acid, sort of like semen um. Some say it 568 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: combines both the phallic and the vaginal. Roger Ebert once wrote, 569 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Alien uses a tricky device to keep the alien fresh. 570 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: Throughout the movie. It evolves the nature and appearance of 571 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: the creatures, so we never know quite what it looks 572 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: like or what it can do. The first time we 573 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: get a good look at the alien as it burst 574 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: from the chest of poor Cane. Is unmistakably falic in shape, 575 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: and the critic Tim Dirk's mentions it's open, dripping vaginal mouth. 576 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: M also forgot to mention about ash he spews all 577 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: the semen esque stuff because he drinks. It's not milk, right, No, 578 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: I originally thought it was milk because I was like, 579 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: what he actually I've read if you pay attention to 580 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: the whole movie, he never eats our drinks. He's just 581 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: kind of there, but he drinks the milk in that 582 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: one scene, or the white substance. I thought it was 583 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: milk because I like this is theies of course, are 584 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: drinking milk right like like out of nowhere. But and 585 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: then you start seeing him sweat and you're like, oh 586 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: something that that's not what that is? Um and trivia 587 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: shredded condoms were used for the aliens. Jaw tendons Um 588 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: also shouted condoms. Is it looks very much like the 589 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: thing that what's his name picks up right before he 590 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: gets murdered. It's like the shadded skin and alien um. 591 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: And then the slime, the alien slime is ky jelly, 592 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: lots and lots of k y jelly. Yeah, yeah, I 593 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: love that. Even even the props they used are pretty 594 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: sexually suggestive. And then the ship, the ship they discover 595 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: on l V four two six was pretty phallic in 596 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: shape and other parts of it resemble a giant womb. 597 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: When the explorers or you could say invaders enter the ship, 598 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: they are in suit that make them appear like their 599 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: sperm entering the vaginal opening in the ship. And yes, seriously, seriously, 600 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: uh you won't see it, I promise. Once inside, Kane 601 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: finds a womb slash tomb of alien eggs. Then came 602 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: the orm in this case witnesses and egg open the 603 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: face hugger latches onto his face, transformed him into a womb. 604 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: The creature cannot be removed until it has deposited its seed, 605 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: and that is very violent rape. Um. And then the 606 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: victim is forced to carry the organism to term and 607 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: birth it and even though it will kill the host 608 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: read even at the risk of the mother. Some also 609 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: see the scene of the alien person out of Kane's 610 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: chest as representative of the general male confusion and fear 611 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: around birth right comes out of the stomach, lots of 612 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: blood by very violent exactly how it happened. Um and 613 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: uh and every movie there is, I believe there's a 614 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: scene of like it's called the labyrinth, but it's supposed 615 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: to be like the fallopian tubes in the womb and 616 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: the labyrinth of a woman's body. Um. And most space 617 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: movies are seeing yeah, as male explorers entering the womb 618 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: of space. That has changed as we get more and 619 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: more female representation, But for a long time, Veronica Cartwright 620 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: said of the set, it was so erotic. It's big 621 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: vaginas and penises. The whole thing is like you're going 622 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: inside some sort of womb or whatever sort of viscerule. 623 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: So there you go. There it is, there we go. Um, 624 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: we do have some more for you, but first we 625 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: have one more quick break forward from our sponsor and 626 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsoring. So I was going to 627 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: go into my theory, my personal theory, which I believe 628 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: forces the male viewer to think about the impacts of 629 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: sexual violence and being unable to abort the resulting child, 630 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: and anxieties about being forced to pay for childcare. Because again, 631 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: this is when Roe we Wade is passing, women are 632 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: getting more sexual agency, starting to enter the workforce. I 633 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: think it was a lot of anxiety around it. Um. 634 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: And I am again not the only one who thought that, 635 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: but I feel like we've touched on a lot of 636 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: the stuff that I that was in my personal theory. Um. 637 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: It's been in and hundreds and hundreds of essays and books. 638 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: It's been examined as a parable about motherhood, a feminist allegory, 639 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: and examination of abortion. So yeah. So, Joseph Campbell wrote 640 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: in his book Primitive Mythology about Alien there's a motif 641 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: occurring in the certain primitive mythologies as well as in 642 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: modern surrealist painting and neurotic dream, which is known to 643 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: folklore as the tooth vagina, the vagina that cast rates. Yeah. Yeah. 644 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: The screenwriter himself, Dan O'Bannon, said he wanted to make 645 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: male audience members confront the realities and horrors of sexual 646 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: assault and rape, the fear of force, pennetration, and pregnancy. 647 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: And yes, I've said it before, I say it again. 648 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: One of my personal theories is that most horror movies, 649 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: all to a lee, are about fears of something about women, 650 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: usually ad menistruation, or pregnancy, our sexuality in general. That's 651 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: just me. Film blogger Flick Philosopher founder Mary Anne Joe 652 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: Hansson told broadly, do men really require a science fiction 653 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: scenario to understand how horrific unwanted violation of the body is. 654 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: Maybe if our culture treated mail and mail rape like 655 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: the horror it is, men wouldn't need to turn to 656 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: science fiction movies to understand the problem. Even if some 657 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: men require such a prompt for their empathy, the Alien 658 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: franchise still isn't one that offers much in the way 659 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: of true access to women's relationships with rape, and I 660 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: do think it is it's interesting that for women Alien 661 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: is frightening, but we do have to deal with this 662 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: fear that much more real and regular way than men do. 663 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: So all of the thought pieces are not all of them, 664 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are, like it makes men 665 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: face the truth of sexual violence, but it totally ignores 666 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: like women um or men that have dealt already with 667 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: sexual violence like this will this will really scare them 668 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: in Yes, they're only really petrified by women power, blood, 669 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: specifically administration and child our thing and then then being penetrated. 670 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: I guess to be fair, yes, that's petrifying in the 671 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: penetration part. Y'all not. I don't know about everything else 672 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: who knew that so much? We would have so much 673 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 1: to say, mostly me would have so much to say 674 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: about Alien. I've been ready. After you started writing, I 675 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we go, and I cut out 676 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: two pages two pages. Um. I would love for anyone 677 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: else who has strong thoughts about really any movie, but 678 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: any horror movie and Alien. UM. I would love to 679 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: hear from from all of you. I am. I'm loosely 680 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: toying with the idea of doing like a spoiled Saturday. Yeah. 681 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: I think i'd be a great idea where we do 682 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: more recent horror movies because they're has been a lot 683 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: of I think movements in horror movies lately when it 684 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: comes to feminism, are a lot of interesting things to 685 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: be said, right And definitely people are understanding a lot 686 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: of these kitchy things that have been happening, specifically towards 687 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: females and the female protagonists or even onto antagonists. I 688 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: guess um they're starting to kind of trying to flip 689 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: that on this head. I think it's really interesting. I 690 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: do too, And kind of going off of that, I 691 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: did want to say that I'm going to be on 692 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: Movie Crush, which is another podcast on our network hosted 693 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: by Chuck Bryant of stuff you should Know once for 694 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: the Slasher edition, where I will be talking about some 695 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: of those movies that turn things upside down because those 696 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: are some of my favorites that play with all of 697 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: the tropes. And then I will be on it again 698 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: in November and I have to pick my my movie, 699 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: but maybe I'll do Alien because I've already done all 700 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: of the research. Whyre you started there? Yep, yep, yep um. 701 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: And then we did want to shout out um a 702 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: listener who wrote in Um Kathy she wrote a few 703 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: episodes ago you asked listeners to give you names a 704 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: podcast with lady host. I happen to host one. My 705 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: husband and I are the host of a little known 706 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: podcast called patron Saints of Pop Culture. We discussed the 707 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: themes of recent movies and TV shows mostly, but we 708 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: will also occasionally discuss video games and music videos. Since 709 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: we were in the beginning of the spooky season, our 710 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: recent episodes have been on horror movies. We thought that 711 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: was a perfect one to shout out for this episode, 712 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: and then just one more because of the nursery that 713 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,720 Speaker 1: is happening and all of it. Um, Black Girl Nerds 714 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: is also one that you should I'm sure people have 715 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: already started looking at, but like that would be one 716 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: more to catch in if you want to go deeper 717 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: into the nerd. Um. Oh, yes, I do, clearly, clearly. UM. 718 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: I really am so happy that we got to do this. 719 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: I hope that listeners enjoyed it at least as a 720 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: little bit as m since I did. Look, I just 721 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: watched it it and I know you're a fan, and 722 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Um. And this actually was a part 723 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: of a while ago. We had this idea for something 724 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: called feminist movie Fridays and would be once a month 725 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: and we would look at all they were all horror 726 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: movies because that's just how I am. Well, I'm putting 727 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: Heathers in there, obviously, because you know, I've already discussed Yeah, 728 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: we've already discussed the fight that you need to watch this, um. 729 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: But to put in there as a maybe, I don't 730 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: know how well that's fair. That's always a scary thing. 731 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I have so many movies that were my favorites when 732 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and now I watched them and 733 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: I just I can't even do right, even like with 734 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: shows that that we're just recently, I was watching some 735 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: of the Dirty Rock and that really hasn't held up either, surprisingly, 736 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: and you would think because it wasn't that long ago, 737 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: and at that point in time, it was getting into 738 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: the trend of like being feminist and being a writer 739 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: a head writer and what that looks like. And it's 740 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: still kind of like, oh, things have moved pretty quickly, 741 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: right are um. But we would love to hear from listeners. 742 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: If you have recommendations for our next feminist movie Friday, 743 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: throw them into the ring. You can email us at 744 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 1: Stuff Media Mom Stuff at I Heart Media dot com. 745 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast 746 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks 747 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard Andrew, and 748 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You 749 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: his production of I Heart Radio's House Step Works for 750 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: More podcast from my Heart Radio is the iHeart Radio app, 751 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.