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Joining us now 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: for our weekly segment with the daily Poster is Andrew Perez. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: Great to see Andrew, Chris San Andrew, thanks for having 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: me again, of course, so you've got an interesting piece 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: up here some updated reporting on the Medicare drug pricing. 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: So just so everybody recalls, Democrats have been running on 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: the ability of Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices saving 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of money since two thousand and six. It 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be in the build Back battle plan. 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: It has been stripped down along with a number of 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: other measures that would reduce prescription drug prices. And you 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: have a piece here saying Pharmadem's saved the drug industry 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: half a trillion dollars. Talked to us about that background, 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: those provisions and what exactly they did in order to 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: save those half a trillion dollars. Sure, Yeah, So the 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: plan that Democrats were talking about for you know, much 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: of the past year would have saved what would have 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: basically cost the industry seven hundred billion dollars in revenue 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: and estimated seven hundred billion, and the latest version would 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: cost about two hundred and fifty billion. Yeah, so it's 37 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: a net of about four hundred and fifty billion for 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a decade, and you know, just almost almost half a 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. And it's something that's been sort of lost 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: in the shuffle here. You know, I think you know 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: a lot of progressives are you know, sort of happy 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: that there's at least some you know, drug pricing provision 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: in here, and there are some you know items in 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: this in this measure that would help save you know, 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: help save people money, the public money. But you know, basically, 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: big farm of one a huge victory here, and you 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: know they're still you know, out reinting about how this 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: bill is you know, sort of going to be the 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: death of them, but it's really not going to be. 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: And not only is it not going to be, but 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, their return on investment here is just huge. 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen reports about how much they've spent 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: on lobbying so far this year, you know, like around 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty million dollars. And you know they've 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: been running ads. We talked last week about some ads 56 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: that they've been running, one of their their front groups 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: running to boost Kirston Cinema in Arizona. They've they've put 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: some money into some ads boosting some of their allies 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: in the house too. But you know, overall that money 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: is not going to be even you know, it's going 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: to be less than point one percent of the money 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: they just saved. So Tell introduces some of these pharmadems. 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: Who are they how much money are they getting for this? Yeah, well, 64 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: so Kirsten Cinema obviously has sort of led the effort 65 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Scott Peters has been a long time 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: recipient of pharma cash in the House, as has Kurt 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Schrader from Oregon. And yeah, they're all benefiting now from 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: some spending by this group called Center Forward, which we 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: spoke about last week. It's this sort of you know 70 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: group that's supposedly a you know, outfit for political centrism, 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: but Center Forward has put at least one point two 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: million dollars into ads boosting Cinema. They're also running digital 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: ads promoting Peters and Trader. And you know, we've we've 74 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: seen even some some you know, smaller advocacy groups that 75 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: are also pharma funded, running like you know, banner ads 76 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: and newspaper papers supporting Peters and Trader, as well as 77 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Kathleen Rice and New York who helped negotiate this deal too, 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: and Josh Gottheimer has also been involved in the effort 79 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. And yeah, so you know, in some 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: of these lawmakers are you know, kind of so called 81 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: moderates who are worried about the deficit. But you know, 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: here you're talking about they could have brought in four 83 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars in revenue, helped helped fund 84 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the reconciliation bill, and you know they explicitly chosen off 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: to Yeah, suddenly that episode was not a concern so 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: much as making sure they were delivering for the donor 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: class ultimately, which is incredibly revealing. Could you explain the 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: details of the quote unquote compromise that was ultimately struck here, 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: because originally it looked like prescription drug price negotiation was 90 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: going to be out of the bill altogether. Then they said, okay, 91 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: well maybe we can negotiate on just this few handful 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: of drugs. Could you break down sort of what that 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: looks like at this point. Yeah, basically, they'll they'll be 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: able to negotiate like much, much fewer drugs. The last 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: one would have done like sort of twenty five drugs 96 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: a year at first, and then fifty in subsequent years. 97 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: I think this one's about ten each year. The real trick, though, 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: is that here you're only the government's only going to 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: be able to negotiate prices on drugs that have passed 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: their exclusivity period, so and they're not going to be 101 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: able to basically affect any drug prices like at their launch, 102 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: so it's not going to really lower those drug prices 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: really overall. You know, one of the positive things here 104 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: is that there will be a cap on insulin prices 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: at thirty five dollars a month, I believe, which you know, 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: will definitely help people. But you know, it also goes 107 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: into effect the insulin cap after I believe, in twenty 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: twenty three, is right after the midterm elections, so it's 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: going to be hard to tell people that, like, you know, 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: we've lowered drug prices when it is sort of tbd. Yeah, 111 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: and only affects like a few drugs. Also, talk a 112 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: little bit more about that timeline, because that's something you 113 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: sketch out here. The implementation of this is going to 114 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: take a long time. Yeah, Yeah, they won't actually and 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: this was in the original legislation too, but they won't 116 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: be negotiating prices on drugs until twenty twenty five, so 117 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: it is a few years down the road, and in fact, 118 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: it's after the next presidential election, so you know, you 119 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: could see if Republicans you know, flip the you know, 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: flip the entire government, that that won't happen, it should 121 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: definitely be a concern here, gotcha. Wow, Well, thanks for 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: joining us. Andrew really appreciate it. Thanks you breaking just down. 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: Andrew really appreciate it. Thank you absolutely, and thank you 124 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: guys for watching. Have a fantastic dig, great weekend. We 125 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: got more fantastic content posting for you over the weekend 126 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: for your enjoyment, and we'll see you back here on Monday. Well, 127 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: as Joe Biden crashes and burns in our polls and 128 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of angst inside the Democratic Party about 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: what the hell are we going to do in twenty 130 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: twenty four if he doesn't run, there's a spotlight of Joe, 131 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris and Pete Budajedge. So Washington Post is 132 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: beginning to put this, you know, some of the whispers 133 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: are beginning to come out of the Edge saying Harris 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: and buddhajedge under the spotlight amid uncertainty around Joe Biden's future. 135 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: And the more and more that this comes out, Crystal, 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the lower that Biden continues to sink in the polls, 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: and the more jockeying that happens behind the scenes in 138 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Post pages, in the New York Times and 139 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: more over who's the better successor, the more interesting it's 140 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: going to get. And I just think it's hilarious because, 141 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: as you and I both know, neither of these people 142 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: is going to win national office. There's just no way. 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they both crashed and burned in the Democratic primary, 144 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: botha jedge, less so than Kamala Harris, but not saying much. 145 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: Whenever you get like, what did you get like seventh 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: or something in the South Carolina When we got to 147 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: South Carolina, he got I believe three percent of the 148 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: Black volte Right. Yeah, I hear that, you know, that's 149 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: a making constituency of a really significant constituency. I hear 150 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: that he's got a coalition there to build on. Right. 151 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: I heard that they do vote in the Democratic primary. 152 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Seems something important if you were to cover that, honestly, 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: something that we never particularly did during the Democratic primary. 154 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: But the more that we're seeing this DC is really 155 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: just freaking out over the fact that they have Kamala Harris, 156 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: on the one hand, the most unpopular vice president in 157 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: modern American history, and then you have Pete Budhajeedge, who 158 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: slightly more popular but still would easily lose a national election, 159 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: probably could not even win his own party's primary. And 160 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: there's Jockey and Crystal amongst both of their aides. For 161 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: who's gonna look best coming out of the Biden administration. 162 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: Buddha Jeedge giving everybody a run for his money by 163 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: taking two months off for paternity leave while we have 164 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: the middle of a supply chain crisis, Kamala by just 165 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: being odious generally like in the national spotlight, and also 166 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: being set up to fail by the Biden team. So 167 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: nobody's coming out of this thing looking very good, at 168 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: least so far. You know, I keep thinking about we 169 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: covered last week this BACA then study where they were 170 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: evaluating in a really unique way the different types of 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: candidates and who actually has broad appeal among like the 172 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: broad working class that's remotely gettable by a Democratic Party candidate. 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: And what they found was the absolute worst thing to 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: be was the woke moderate, which is exactly the woke 175 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: corporate is exactly what Kamala and Pere and fall into. 176 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: That's the quadrant. And so it just shows you, I 177 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: don't even know if it's how brain dead Democratic party 178 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: elites are, they had to be pretty brain dead to 179 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: put Kamala in this position to start with as vice president. 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, the media tried to make her happen. No, 181 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: it didn't work, nobody wanted her, and then they go 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: ahead and over it. Well, you guys just didn't. You 183 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: guys just didn't really give her a chance. So we're 184 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: going to put her in as vice president, knowing that 185 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: by doing that you are setting her up to be 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: the next Democratic nominee, whether if it's in four years 187 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: or eight years, either way, you're clearly saying this is 188 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: the future of the party. And then predictively, she's utterly 189 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: crashing and burning. As bad as Biden's poll numbers are, 190 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: hers are even worse. Her office is apparently rife with dysfunction. 191 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which has been a consistent theme again, all predictable, 192 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: consistent themes since she started in politics, and also manifested 193 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: on her presidential campaign. Is these dysfunctional staffing issues and 194 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: the family gets involved in these different fiefdoms, and she's 195 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: way too cautious, and all of these things are consistent 196 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: problems throughout her career and so now they're thinking like, 197 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: oh God, can we swap this person out, and instead 198 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: of reaching for someone who might actually have brought appeal, 199 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: they like Pete. Yes. And why do they like Pee? Well, 200 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: because Pete is very comfortable. Pete is a guarantee that, 201 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, all of the sort of democratic consultant industrial 202 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: complex and the existing donor class are still going to 203 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: be able to maintain their slots. And ultimately, that's why 204 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: I say, I don't know if I want to say 205 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: that they're brain dead, because ultimately they care a lot 206 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: more about that than they care about winning political office. 207 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: So Pete is a guaranteed that they keep their spots, 208 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: and that's what ultimately matters the most. The really crazy 209 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: part two is how openly top Democrats are talking about 210 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: the possibility of Biden not running. I mean, we're talking 211 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: about his former campaign chair. Let's put this on the screen, 212 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: Chris Dott, who very longtime friend of Biden. Look at 213 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: what he's saying there, quoted in the New York Times. 214 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm hoping the president runs for reelection, but for whatever reason, 215 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: that might not be the case. It's hard to believe 216 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a short list without Kamala's name on it. 217 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: She's the vice president of the United States. I'm hoping 218 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: once again. This guy literally chaired the vice presidential search committee, 219 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: was one of the closest confidants of the president. You 220 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: might not remember him, but Chris Dodd was a powerhouse 221 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: here in DC for a long time. I mean, he 222 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: was a senator from Connecticut. His dad is famous guy. 223 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: I believes in poultics as well. Major political institution in 224 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party goes back with Biden many many, many years, 225 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: and so for him to come out and say I'm 226 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: hoping that he runs through re election, I mean that 227 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: stuff is crazy. I can tell you that under the 228 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Trump years, it was you were absolutely shut out. If 229 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: you were to raise the possibility that Trump was not 230 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: going to run for reelection. The people were like, it's 231 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: They're like, anybody in the Trump orbit who starts to 232 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: say stuff like that, tell him to shut up. It's 233 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: not part of it. They would get yelled at all 234 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: of that because it was considered sustin assurance, because you 235 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: instantly become a lamed up, right, and you're you know, 236 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: you're feeding all of this, you know, in the meat 237 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: grinder of like well, what's going to happen, What's what? 238 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: It's just chaos. That the fact that he can't even 239 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: assure the people closest to him that he's going to 240 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: run for reelection. I think that's the most stunning part 241 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: when I see that Chris Dodd quote in particularly, I mean, 242 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: all you have to do is look at him when 243 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: he steps into the public eye and see that, you know, 244 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: for him to run for another four years on top 245 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: of this, that would be a lot. This is a 246 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: man who when he considered running back in twenty sixteen, 247 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: thought about doing it under the pledge of I'm only 248 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: going to serve one term. Right, So now here we 249 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty he wins without the pledge. But 250 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the writing on the wall is 251 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: on the wall for a lot of people that you know, 252 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: this may not he may not be up to it 253 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: for a second term. At the same time, it is 254 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: interesting and for the people who are like Kamala stands, 255 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: which is you know, they all live here in Washington, 256 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: they all live here. They're very on Twitter, but they 257 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: do exist. I do think that it's fair when they 258 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: say that she really hasn't been given sort of easy 259 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: or she just hasn't been set up for success by 260 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: the Biden White House. And they're contrasting that, on the 261 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: other hand with Pete, who not only you know, he 262 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: takes his months off immediately every he rushes to his 263 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: defense a minit, he's attacked by Tucker and by others, 264 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and they're also handing him hundreds of billions of dollars 265 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: as Transportation secretary to effectively do with as he pleases. 266 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: We have this business insider or now they're just insider, still, 267 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: says Business Insider, Though there anyway insider pe put to 268 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: Judge's about to become the most powerful transportation secretary ever. 269 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: So that's terrifying actually in the what should be you know, 270 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: relatively non controversial realm of transportation secretary and he's given 271 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: all this money to play with. Meanwhile, they're either feeding 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: calm under the wolves by like, hey, why don't you 273 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: just handle that immigration situation down there, no big deal 274 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: and giving her no power to actually do anything about it, 275 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: or they're literally sticking her like at the kids table 276 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: for that space. Whatever thing she was doing that was 277 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: equal with all the child actors child actors. So there 278 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: are in this game. Yeah, I mean listen, no matter 279 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: what portfolio they handed Kamala Harris, I don't think it 280 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: was going to be a real home run here, but 281 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: it does seem like the White House is putting their 282 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: thumb on the scale in terms of who they want 283 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: to sort of promote and elevate and really see as 284 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the future of the party at this point, I think 285 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: very telling. All right, guys, thanks for watching. We'll have 286 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: more for you later. So I and I think others 287 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: have been tracking what appears to be a pretty dramatic 288 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: ideological evolution on the part of Tulci Gabbard, which to 289 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: this point had mostly been in the realm of sort 290 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: of culture, things like immigration, where you could say, okay, 291 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: she always had a little bit of a different stance, 292 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: things like national security, abortion too. Actually, yeah, now we're 293 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: seeing some comments on economics that are just polar opposite 294 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: of where she was just a couple years ago when 295 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: she was launching her presidential campaign. Let's take a listen 296 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: to those comments, and then we'll react on the other side. 297 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Here's the reality with the bill that they're continuing to 298 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: push forward is that our government is too powerful and 299 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: too big even as it is, and this bill is 300 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: only going to make matters worse. The provisions in the 301 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: bill are so vague that really it's going to be 302 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,359 Speaker 1: unelected bureaucrats who end up deciding how these provisions are implemented, 303 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: and no accountability, and really it'll empower them to be 304 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: able to stick their noses into every aspect of our lives, 305 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: furthering this cradle to grave mentality of government dependence that 306 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: makes us lose even more of our autonomy as we 307 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: are paying for it. As government gets bigger, our wallets 308 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: are getting smaller. Cradle to grave mentality of government dependence. 309 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, you could take this from 310 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: any conservative talking point. Ever, it also sounds exactly like 311 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: the stuff Joe Manchin has been saying, and just to 312 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: remind people, like when she was running for president, not 313 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: only is she voiced support for Green New Deal, she's 314 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: actually to the left of AOC on the Green New 315 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: Deal because her qualm about it, her one concern was 316 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: that it opened the door for nuclear just for Medicare 317 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,479 Speaker 1: for all, fifteen dollars, minimum wage, free community college, universal 318 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: pre K, prescription drug price reform, all of these things. 319 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: So listen, I get it. I have my own critiques 320 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: of build back Better. But it's remarkable to see how 321 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: dramatically her entire ideology seems to have changed. And you know, again, 322 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: if you want to critique build back Better and the 323 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Biden administration, we do it here all the time. One 324 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: potential line of inquiry that would fit with the Tolsi 325 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: of old is the fact that it looks like most millionaires. 326 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: We can throw this tweet up on the screen. It 327 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: looks like most millionaires are actually going to get a 328 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: tax cut, yes, in this end result. So that's not great. 329 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: And so just as one more reminder of what Tulsi 330 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: used to sound like on these things. This is not 331 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: ancient history. This is her launch speed for her presidential campaign. 332 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: Here's the way that she used to talk about economics 333 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: and about the country. We're at large. Let's take a listen. 334 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: We have to fight to make sure that every single 335 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: American gets the quality healthcare that they need through Medicare 336 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: for All. We must stand up against the big Wall 337 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: Street banks who gamble with our money and our future. 338 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: Stand up against overreaching intelligence agencies and big tech companies 339 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: who take away our civil liberties, privacy, and freedoms in 340 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: the name of national security, and corporate greed. We must 341 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: stand up against those who pollute our land, our water, 342 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: and our air. We must stand up against private prisons 343 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: who are profiting off the backs of those who are 344 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: caught up in a broken criminal justice system, a system 345 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: that puts people in prison for smoking marijuana, while allowing 346 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: corporations like Purdue Pharma, who are responsible for the opioid 347 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: related deaths of thousands of people, to walk away scott 348 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: free with their coffers full. This so called criminal justice system, 349 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: which favors the rich and powerful and punishes the poor, 350 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: cannot stand. We must join hands and stand up against 351 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: those who perpetuate bigotry, hatred, and violence against our brothers 352 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: and sisters because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation. 353 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: And she goes on to say, listen, we got to 354 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: bring the troops home so we can spend money here. 355 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: Very very different from this cradle degree of dependency stuff 356 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: that we're hearing now. I was shocked whenever she did 357 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: not more force it back Biden on Afghanistan. That was 358 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: really the time when I was stunned, right, and especially 359 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: in that I think it was a Tucker appearance where 360 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: he brought her on criticized the military on the drone strike, 361 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: and I think shedn'ven defend it, but she's like, well, 362 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I was like, what the hell is? Yeah, 363 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: he wanted her, he gave her a land to criticize 364 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: him from the left, Yes, strikes right, and instead she 365 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about Islamism. Yeah, I was. I was 366 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: really shocked by that. And look, maybe she's evolved. It's 367 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: very possible, you know, build back better or whatever in 368 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: terms of what's happening here, but it is I'll have 369 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: a soft spot for from the campaign. She stood up 370 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: to a lot of stuff in the face of a 371 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: lot of overwhelming pressure. It's just the question of where 372 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: she wants to go from here on out, you know, 373 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: by going on and especially on Sean Hannity and talking 374 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: about it in this particular way, because it's always going 375 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: to be like former Democratic congresswoman, you know, like that's 376 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: how that's how these that's how this works whenever it 377 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: comes to Fox and More, and so by going on 378 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: and and uh and pushing that, it's it is a 379 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: change obviously from where she was in the past. The 380 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: only question is whether she, you know, genuinely believes it 381 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: or if she's doing it because she thinks it will 382 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: hurt her it will help her current brand. Listen, I've 383 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: known Telsey for a long time and matter for the 384 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Friends of the show for a long when she first 385 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: ran for Congress. You know, I really we've defended her 386 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: million times from what we're utterly disgusting attacks. And people 387 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: can have genuine evolutions. I mean I've gone through my 388 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: own genuine evolution. You have as well. You know, my 389 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: views are not the same now as they were, for example, 390 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: all back when I was at MSNBC. But I think 391 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: when you have a position of such prominence, if you 392 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: did go through some sort of genuine evolution, you owe 393 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: people a little bit of an explanation of what's going on. Yeah, 394 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I agree with that, because again, it's not like, oh 395 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: I've just like tweaked my I got more inporant, I 396 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: tweaked my view on this or whatever. No, this is 397 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: like you used to have a completely different philosophy and 398 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: ideology almost across the board. So it's it's hard to 399 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: understand exactly what's going on with that when again, you know, 400 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: just months and you know, years ago, it was Medicare 401 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: for All, it was Green New Deal, it was we 402 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: got to bring the troops home and spend the money 403 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: here instead. And now she sounds exactly like you know, 404 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: any of Sean Hannity's other guests who would come on 405 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: and bemoan the big government and the cradle, degree of dependency, mentality, etc. 406 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: So it's puzzling, puzzling indeed. All right, guys, thanks for watching. 407 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: We'll have more for you later. Kyle sitting in for 408 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: Crystal Ball. We're doing a little weekend content here and 409 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: we found something pretty interesting, shocking actually to see John 410 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: Oliver for once actually do a segment which wasn't all 411 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: that bad, not all that criage, not boomer or resistance 412 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: in any way, talking about union busting and some of 413 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: the illegal tactics that companies use. Let's take a listen 414 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: to a segment. For an election to happen at all, 415 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: thirty percent of workers must sign a union card expressing 416 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: an initial interest in union representation. But Amazon, for instance, 417 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: has instructed its managers to be on high alerts for 418 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: the slightest sign that that might happen, as this linked 419 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: internal video shows. If you see warning signs of potential organizing, 420 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: notify your building, HRM and GM site leader immediately the 421 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: most obvious signs would include use of words associated with 422 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: unions or union led movements like living wage or steward. Wow. 423 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, set aside how completely mask off it is 424 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: to treat the phrase living wage like the first warning 425 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: sign of a stroke. You would also think a nearly 426 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: two trillion dollar company like Amazon could spring for better 427 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: animation than jib jab. But if enough workers do sign cards, 428 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: the election process is then underway. And in that process, 429 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: companies have some pretty huge advantages because obviously, when you're 430 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: on their premises, they have unfettered access to you, while 431 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: also have the ability to keep union reps out, and 432 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: many companies take full advantage of that access. Amazon, for instance, 433 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: inundated workers with anti union signs all over their workplace, 434 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: even putting them inside bathroom stalls. They also use workers 435 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: contact in phot to send multiple anti union text messages 436 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: to them per day, and held mandatory meetings that seemed 437 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: designed to spread fear. They had somebody who was like, 438 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: they're the captain of the union busting who would come 439 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: down and teach, Like what was the official title of 440 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: the class. They just called it like union training. That's it, 441 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: which is funny because it's not union training. It's anti 442 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: it's union busting. One on one right, it's not union training. 443 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: If the explicit goal is to kill the union, I'd 444 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: be like taking a dog training class from Cruella de Ville. 445 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Although no, not the one that's a misunderstood Bohemian or whatever. 446 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, the real Cruella. Yeah, that one, the 447 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: original dog recidal bad bitch. Now, these mandatory propaganda sessions 448 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: are called captive audience meetings, and most Amazon workers at 449 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: BESSEMA are having to attend at least two per week, 450 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: and that is not uncommon. Nearly ninety percent of employers 451 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: facing union campaigns holds captive audience meetings right now, Wow, 452 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you know it was a good find. I wish we 453 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: had found that out of well, if they're talking about 454 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: a living wage, it's a dog whistle for you or 455 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: anything on the steward credit to him, honestly, and our 456 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: producer James made a good point. The reason why this 457 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: type of stuff is important is you how many times 458 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: are people who watch HBO, The Resistance, Wine Moms and 459 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: all those people they would never get exposed to any 460 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: of this. They probably don't even know that a lot 461 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: of this exists. So I would call it, even though 462 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: I think he's cringe a net positive that this was 463 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: going out to that type of audience. Yeah, I'm general 464 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm generally not a fan of John Oliver, 465 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: but you know, every now and then he does something 466 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: that I think is really good, and this is a 467 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: great example of it here. Yeah, what struck me was 468 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: the same thing the living wage line, because you know, 469 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: in order to be good at propaganda, you have to 470 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: be subtle. Yeah, yeah, that's you know, you have to 471 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: take off the rough edges, smooth it out a little bit. 472 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: And that's not subtle. That's so heavy handed. I'll give 473 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: you a good example of of what you know, good 474 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: propaganda is. And I think the right generally is fantastic 475 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: at this stuff, and they have been for decades. But 476 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: when you talk about taking you know, a hardcore capitalist position, 477 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: instead of using the word capitalism, which polls so so 478 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: you go with free market. And if you say free market, 479 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: it's like, well, how can anybody be against this? It's 480 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: a free market? You know, they did this Obviously this 481 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: isn't a point for the right as much as more 482 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: generally now. But when they name the Patriot Act, the 483 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: Patriot Act. It's like, you oppose this, it's the Patriot Act. 484 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: And eventually, you know, stuff needs to come out over 485 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: time for everybody to turn on it. But you need 486 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: to be more nuanced and clever with with how you 487 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: do it. And the thing that's so great about you know, 488 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: union busting being front center now is it really shines 489 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: a light on the fact that unions are sort of 490 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: like one of the only ways to fight back against 491 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: the overreach of the ruling class, and it just sort 492 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: of balances out power better. When we had the highest 493 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: rate of unionization in America during the Golden Age of 494 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: economic expansion, the working class did the best it ever did. 495 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: There's a direct correlation between how high the unionization rate 496 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: is and how good everybody does. And I love to 497 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: come back to is that. Did you know that in 498 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: some Scandinavian countries they don't even have a minimum wage. 499 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: But the reason they don't is because they have near 500 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: universal unionization among the workforce. They don't even need a 501 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: minimum wage. It's just you know, everybody gets a wage 502 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: the higher than what any theoretical minimum wage would be. Yeah, no, 503 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: I think you're right, And you know we've covered it 504 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: all the time. Actually, one of the things that you 505 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: should care a lot about, you know, on the right 506 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: is if you want institutions which are non governmental, which 507 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: you're going to bargain for wages and make it so 508 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: that the government doesn't have to say. The union is 509 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: one of the best ways to do that because it 510 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: actually is a way for people of all races, all 511 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: stripes and all them to come together to actually use 512 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: their bargaining power collectively absent any government interference, and that 513 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: way it's just the union and the firm who gets 514 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: to make a decision. It makes it so that you 515 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: don't have to step in to try and make a 516 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: corrective or any of that. It's a point I've tried 517 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: to make over and over again, and social cohesion wise, 518 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: it's one of the most important institutions that we had 519 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: in modern American life. And you can see that the 520 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: more the unionization goes down, the less people are hanging 521 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: out in union halls or or participating those things, and 522 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: they're spending a lot more social isolation, becoming more beholden 523 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: to the corporation. So, once again props to Oliver for 524 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: actually covering this. I was actually impressed by the segment. 525 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: Good job man, we'll take you. We'll see you guys later.